Ita Thread: Twitas Edition

[Anonymous No.10900041]

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[Anonymous No.10900059]

>>10900045
This and >10900046 are both literally fine? Not amazing but at least passable, certainly not ita.

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/enddump

[Anonymous No.10900069]

>>10900065
Is this a male trying to hide his face

[Anonymous No.10900071]

>>10900050
if only you knew how bad things really are

[Anonymous No.10900076]

>>10900059

>>10900045
The star petti is hard to pull off and the legwear doesn’t match at all

>>10900046
Again the legwear and shoes don’t really work, and the black accessories are an odd choice.

Neither are terrible, just kinda brand ita

>>10900056
This is charming!

[Anonymous No.10900077]

>>10900062
burn it all

[Anonymous No.10900079]

>>10900076
These seem like more nitpicks than outright ita, especially for the girl in the elizabeth OP

[Anonymous No.10900082]

>>10900079
The Elizabeth OP girl is giving major "I spent all my money on the main piece" vibes.

[Anonymous No.10900083]

>>10900082
Sure, but its still not ita, it's just underwhelming. Unless there's some egregious element I dont think coords that would be fixed with small changes are ita. We need a nitpick thread again

[Anonymous No.10900086]

[Anonymous No.10900087]

>>10900065
Why does it matter? I think doll mask wearing should be banned from comms in general, same for furries.
But in the doll mask wearing people are usually male and trying to hide it, and it's a fetish for them. It's the worst kind of delusional because no-one outside of that hobby think it's cute.

>>10900053
>>10900062
>>10900065
this is all just terrible as sissies are, I don't care who is wearing it. It's just creepy.

[Anonymous No.10900089]

>>10900064
I’m guessing your a tiktok sweetfag or a complete newfag if you think this is ita.

[Anonymous No.10900091]

>>10900044
Nitpick; remove the fitbit and change the socks, maybe remove/change the nail polish, and this is fine.

[Anonymous No.10900092]

>>10900082
If she spent all her money on the OP then she wouldn’t have a usakumya with matching outfit, matching headdress, and heart bag.

[Anonymous No.10900094]

>>10900091
> Cheap Uncombed Wig
> Paper thin Blouse and Cheap dress
> Normie Socks
> Normie Shoes

“If you change everything about the coord it’s fine! lmaoxmsmnsndsjka”

[Anonymous No.10900115]

>>10900056
i actually kind of love this! the dress quality is questionable but the concept and execution is so cute i don't care.

[Anonymous No.10900116]

[Anonymous No.10900117]

>>10900064
this would've looked better with a black or neutral dress, but it's otherwise standard old school

[Anonymous No.10900118]

[Anonymous No.10900119]

>>10900089
nayrt, but I'm an oldschooler and don't think this is a good outfit. I can understand that she thinks the leg wear (what are they? Vivienne westwood floral tights? imo they're ugly regardless of the brand and it looks like she only wears them to be edgy) ties in with the gobelin bunny bag, but I think they both don't go with the dress. I would wear the dress, bonnet and shoes with lace topped socks (in white) with a solid color bag in white or matching the color of the dress. Even a solid color black bag would be miles better than this gobelin. Gobelin and busy florals just don't go with the main piece. I can understand experimenting, but this looks like it goes outside of the boundaries of good taste and is just ugly for the sake of being edgy and for clout.

[Anonymous No.10900121]

>>10900116
it's not perfect (would be better if it was a long sleeved black cutsew with white collar and white cuffs), but this is not ita.

[Anonymous No.10900122]

[Anonymous No.10900125]

[Anonymous No.10900126]

>>10900044
I think this is pretty decent for a newbie the only thing that off it's the socks, shoes and smartwatch

[Anonymous No.10900128]

>>10900064
what op is this

[Anonymous No.10900130]

>>10900043
The idea was there..kinda but what the fuck is that hair

[Anonymous No.10900155]

>>10900125
stop posting this lame bait

[Anonymous No.10900163]

>>10900155
How is it bait

[Anonymous No.10900166]

>>10900163
it is about 20 years old, from a well known publication (one of the 3 compilations on japanese street fashion by Phaidon), and we are not even sure she claimed this was a lolita outfit. She's wearing an AP skirt but that doesn't mean the whole outfit is intended to be lolita.

[Anonymous No.10900169]

>>10900166
I see, thank you for the explanation

[Anonymous No.10900170]

>>10900118
ugh I kinda love this? Like it feels like it's from 2008 when scene kids had that black x pink thing going on, especially with the blunt bangs, straight layered hair and those glasses that were popular at the time.

[Anonymous No.10900174]

>>10900046
>>10900056
Not ita.

>>10900041
>>10900052
>>10900055
>>10900122
These people just need better shoes.

>>10900045
The lack of shoes bothers me a little, but I don't think the star underskirt is automatically ita.

>>10900064
Why are we only seeing this one from the back?

>>10900116
I know it's not great, but there's something charming and nostalgic about this.

[Anonymous No.10900176]

Why would anyone admit to making something out of their old underwear? We didn't need to know.

[Anonymous No.10900178]

>>10900174
"Not ita" to the fugly boba cosplay dress has got to be bait. If your taste is that awful don't even bother wasting a post with your input.

[Anonymous No.10900181]

>>10900178
sorry you hate fun and whimsy, very sad for you

[Anonymous No.10900190]

>>10900178
A lot of clearly ita coords get WK'd here for bait. It's best not to reply to them.

[Anonymous No.10900206]

>>10900041
do you happen to know the name of this dress?

[Anonymous No.10900218]

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>>10900218

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[Anonymous No.10900221]

Why do they keep stealing our tags!!

[Anonymous No.10900223]

>>10900176
Always holding up her bag like an animal she just shot in the woods. Lol.

[Anonymous No.10900224]

>>10900045
>>10900046
>>10900053
>>10900064
>>10900086
>>10900116
>>10900125
>>10900118
Bad bait/Not ita

>>10900218
>>10900219
Not even lolita

>>10900042
>>10900051
>>10900057
>>10900071
>>10900220
Needs a face sticker/Unfortunate

[Anonymous No.10900225]

>>10900218
That's fairy kei you dumbfuck we might be transphobic but at least we know what lolita is

[Anonymous No.10900226]

>>10900057
The petticoat isn't supposed to be visible but otherwise it's a good cord, as the anon above me said "needs a face sticker"

[Anonymous No.10900227]

>>10900056
This is magical

[Anonymous No.10900228]

>>10900224
So anime mask is fine wtf? What's next saying furrlita is ok

[Anonymous No.10900229]

>>10900226
This is bait.

[Anonymous No.10900231]

>>10900229
Not every bad take is bait, some anons are that stupid

[Anonymous No.10900232]

>>10900228
You are saying that as if brands didn't have furry and anime mask models before.

[Anonymous No.10900233]

>>10900232
Brands also release a casket, how about you go ahead and bury yourself in one

[Anonymous No.10900234]

>>10900231
This^

[Anonymous No.10900235]

>>10900229
So you ok with the petticoat showing? I'm confused

[Anonymous No.10900237]

Less arguing more ita nonna

[Anonymous No.10900239]

>>10900231
>>10900227
>>10900233
Samefag

[Anonymous No.10900241]

>>10900224
Why do you defend sissys

[Anonymous No.10900243]

>>10900044
Stop hating on blacks, I'd seen so many capable cords from them

[Anonymous No.10900245]

>>10900239
What do these posts even have in common

[Anonymous No.10900247]

>>10900243
nah nah nah nah
she might be a nigger and a fatty, yet she can coord better than 95% of cgl fattychans

[Anonymous No.10900248]

>>10900247
>>10900243
oh lol, sry I misred the context, all good, good coord

[Anonymous No.10900249]

>>10900247
>she can coord better than 95% of cgl fattychans
That's exactly what I'd said nonna

[Anonymous No.10900250]

>>10900248
Oops forgot to refresh, all good

[Anonymous No.10900252]

>>10900241
Handmaidens: not even once.

[Anonymous No.10900254]

>>10900232
which japanese lolita brand had someone model for them who was wearing a fur suit/head in the promotional material?
As for doll masks, I know about the bjd doll mask artist who modeled for VM, and I thought even that was creepy but it was a million times more beautiful and less creepy than the anime doll mask fetishist posted in this thread.

[Anonymous No.10900255]

>>10900254
Exactly^ thanks anon for putting it into words better than I ever could

[Anonymous No.10900256]

>>10900232
a mascot, such as Funassyi, isn't the same as a furry ffs.

[Anonymous No.10900258]

>>10900243
>>10900247
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>>10900250
Can you stop talking with yourself, it's pathetic

[Anonymous No.10900265]

>>10900258
What?

[Anonymous No.10900273]

>>10900254
iirc, Victorian Maiden used these rabbit heads. They don’t look overly furry though.

[Anonymous No.10900274]

>>10900273
>They don’t look overly furry though.

That's because they're not

[Anonymous No.10900290]

>>10900274

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>>10900290
Furry definition: ''an enthusiast for animal characters with human characteristics" in other words there has to be a noticeable level of anthropomorphisation for it to be considered furry. Just because people are searching for "hyper realistic fursuit" doesn't mean that it would count as furry. The VM bunny heads are not anthropomorphized enough to count as furry.

[Anonymous No.10900296]

>>10900254
nayrt but several GLB street snaps featured furry heads

[Anonymous No.10900299]

>>10900296
afaik those are realistic animal heads, not furry heads. But if I am wrong just put them over here.

[Anonymous No.10900300]

>>10900296
Firstly, those are street snaps and not official japanese brand promotional material, the initial question was "which japanese lolita brand had someone model for them who was wearing a fur suit/head in the promotional material?"
Secondly I don't remember seeing any actual furry heads in the GLBs but there are some GLBs I haven't leafed through yet so you're welcome to post them here.
Thirdly, even if there are street snaps in the GLB that featured furry heads, that is still not a universal sign that it should be okay for furries to be included in lolita communities.

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[Anonymous No.10900341]

>>10900296
not any of the previous anons but even if BTSSB came out with a furrylita ad tomorrow, i'd still hate it. i admire the craftsmanship of some furries, but mixed with lolita it's just ugly.

[Anonymous No.10900352]

>>10900300
volume 55, look for yourself. i own it and don't feel like digging up scans to spoon feed you with.

[Anonymous No.10900354]

>>10900273
This looks awesome. I'm going to dress like this and no one can stop me

[Anonymous No.10900358]

kumya's seen things

[Anonymous No.10900379]

>>10900352
I had a look and I assume you mean the fox and the cat heads. They're creepy animal heads but they're not anthropomorphized enough to be furry. And even if they were that still doesn't mean furries should be welcome at lolita meets and on coord sharing sites. Keep your degeneracy away from us.

[Anonymous No.10900381]

>>10900352
those aren't furries you sperg.

[Anonymous No.10900389]

>>10900379
Since they aren't furry, they're allowed at meets right

[Anonymous No.10900392]

>>10900389
why should they be allowed? You think people are going to be okay with them just because they're not furry heads?

[Anonymous No.10900394]

>>10900294
You're reaching but ok nonna, be a furshit sympathizer.

[Anonymous No.10900395]

>>10900089
it's a terrible outfit, at least form the back, with a lot of really nice pieces.

[Anonymous No.10900396]

>>10900122
this is cute, let piss chan live

[Anonymous No.10900397]

>>10900273
>>10900354
this isn't fur suiting, this was an ad

[Anonymous No.10900402]

>>10900397
It's the same exact thing as fursuiting. Don't be delusional.

[Anonymous No.10900416]

>>10900402
Wearing an just animal head isn't even fursuiting by a literal definition, it's not a suit.

[Anonymous No.10900417]

>>10900396
Stfu piss-chan

[Anonymous No.10900421]

>>10900341
I mean, he’s my favourite mascot but I’ve always thought Captain Chris was furry-adjacent

[Anonymous No.10900424]

>>10900310
Not lolita just some person with an op

[Anonymous No.10900425]

>>10900358
That petticoat lol

[Anonymous No.10900427]

>>10900424
He's a lolita from SF but keep caping for troons.

[Anonymous No.10900438]

>>10900379
>>10900381
furries is the same.

[Anonymous No.10900439]

>>10900416
it is, and it's called "poodling"

[Anonymous No.10900440]

>>10900427
>he
Not with those legs.

[Anonymous No.10900441]

>>10900176
when she finally makes a foray into brand i will die happy

[Anonymous No.10900443]

>>10900243
she looks retarded just like the whites

[Anonymous No.10900445]

>>10900394
You misunderstood completely. I don't want furries in lolita. One or more anons clearly do so they're trying to make a case that it should be allowed because they said "brands had them model for them" . I asked for proof of any Japanese lolita brand's promotional material in which the model wears a fursuit/head.
I dislike furries but I know enough about it to know there's a difference between mascots, furries and realistic animal costumes. The definition of furry includes the criteria of anthropomorphized animal characters. The only "proof" provided was the brand photoshoot with the bunny heads, which are not furry.
Then someone else claimed there were multiple street snaps with furries, I asked where and they mentioned the GLB issue. So I had a look and, again, they weren't furries. They're just creepy animal heads. Someone else suggested they should be allowed at meets or on coord sharing sites because they're not furry, but I don't think anyone (including me) wants them to be included in meets or wants to see them on coord sharing sites.

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>>10900445
I wouldn't really care if someone showed up to a meet in a creepy realistic animal head, but it seems weird impractical for actually wearing with a coord and not just a photoshoot anyway. Its weird and kind of cringe but doesnt evoke the same visceral disgust as furry

[Anonymous No.10900451]

>>10900441
Enjoy being immortal. She makes it a point of pride to wear nothing but fast fashion.

[Anonymous No.10900458]

ITT: typical users of the 4chan dating app

[Anonymous No.10900459]

>>10900445
>I don't think anyone (including me) wants them to be included in meets or wants to see them on coord sharing sites.
nta but did you miss the entire first half of the conversation?

[Anonymous No.10900460]

>>10900440
Such female

[Anonymous No.10900464]

>>10900460
fucking christ anon. my poor eyes.

[Anonymous No.10900467]

>>10900441
>>10900451
I don't think it would make much of a difference, she has questionable taste in general. So if she wore brand she would just be a brand ita.

[Anonymous No.10900468]

>>10900459
except for the furries themselves of course, they want to be included. Almost everyone else seems to not want them to be included.

[Anonymous No.10900474]

>>10900460
Why are men so disgusting.

[Anonymous No.10900490]

>>10900467
She does haunt Reddit, telling everyone they need wrist cuffs or crochet gloves.

[Anonymous No.10900492]

>>10900490
>crochet gloves.

lol.

I hate it when people act like they are an authority on lolita fashion when they're obviously still at that awkward beginner's stage just by looking at their coords, but they defend their authority by saying they've been in the fashion for 10 years or something like that.

[Anonymous No.10900496]

>>10900241
Lmao how am I defending sissies here?

[Anonymous No.10900505]

>>10900492
She's the definition of insufferable. At one point she went on a rant about how lolita is necessary for her physical and mental health.

[Anonymous No.10900514]

Have somedy seen anything about the new trend called 'coquette'? There's a lot of people wearing AP, and other lolita brands OPs and JSKs and calling them by that. What do you think about that? Let me know if there's another thread to talk about it pls.

[Anonymous No.10900525]

>>10900218
desu i think i would

[Anonymous No.10900530]

>>10900514
>new trend called 'coquette'?
where have you been? it's not new. coquette is the rebrand of nymphette

[Anonymous No.10900538]

>>10900086
keep cracky chan's name out of your filthy mouth

[Anonymous No.10900549]

>>10900460
NANI TF?! SPOILER THIS

[Anonymous No.10900569]

>>10900505
Every time I see her I get this really creepy unsettling vibe. Probably doesn't help that she always does the exact same pose and smile in every photo.

[Anonymous No.10900585]

>>10900228
Ayrt and the ita thread is for bad coords, not people’s facial features/masks. Yes, I know I said that some people needed a face sticker but that’s just because the people I mentioned were men and obviously not built to look good in lolita. As for the coord itself; it’s average, the obvious critics would be the awful lighting and awkward pose. But the coord itself is just average, compared to most r/lolita.

[Anonymous No.10900612]

>>10900585
In what world is an actual sissy only in need of a face sticker? R/ lolita is has 1 good coord a month, if even. It's not something to pass the average lolita coord off of.

[Anonymous No.10900624]

>>10900612
I don’t know the person in this photo here (>>10900053) but im guessing that this person isn’t a sissy. If a sissy at least wants to “pass” as a woman then yeah, face stickers are pretty much necessary.

[Anonymous No.10900627]

>>10900624
The sissy is this guy but also probably the one you posted desu >>10900057 >>10900221

[Anonymous No.10900651]

>>10900530
It may have started out that way, but it really seems like it's pressing its face against the lolita fashion aesthetic since it became trendy a few years ago.

[Anonymous No.10900664]

>>10900221
They will never be able to top the queen of cringe Pixie Terri, stop trying to be her.

[Anonymous No.10900666]

>>10900049
The cow motif would be so cute if she leaned into it harder and got panniers :(

[Anonymous No.10900668]

>>10900651
Not that anon, but my intuition tells me it's lolita brands capitalizing on the coquette style trend because they both try to capture the vibe of a rich european lady from the past. Plus, you know, pearls and pink and lace are pretty key in both styles. I like it personally. I also think that despite coquette style trying to look like a rich girl, there's a hole in the market for actual high-quality pieces in the style because so much western clothing has gone down in quality a ton in the last decade. If lolita dresses and accessories fill that hole for someone then good for them.

[Anonymous No.10900669]

>>10900460
who cares

[Anonymous No.10900670]

>>10900505
Shopping addiction is some real shit huh?

[Anonymous No.10900704]

>>10900062
the fursuit is honestly cute. but if id expect anyone to wear lolita and a fursuit together itd be a lady sloth fan

[Anonymous No.10900717]

[Anonymous No.10900724]

>>10900704
You have shit taste in costumes, nonna.

[Anonymous No.10900731]

>>10900119
take what’s interesting out of the coord and replace it with the most basic way to style old school lolita. that’s boring.

[Anonymous No.10900732]

>>10900731
Nta but I also wear oldschool and I'd rather look boring than have insanely mis-matched patterns. There is way too much going on and not in an endearing way.

[Anonymous No.10900734]

>>10900294
Wearer is on two legs. That's all it takes to be furry, you actual retard.

[Anonymous No.10900735]

>>10900731
ayrt, there's a reason the standard way of coording is the standard way of coording; it looks good.

I can think of a few ways to coord the main piece without following the standard formula, that look interesting and not fucking ugly like the coord she chose is.

You have shit taste if you think the coord is good.

[Anonymous No.10900736]

>>10900734
no it doesn't, stop this nonsense. Learn the fucking difference between mascots, furries and realistic animal costumes.

[Anonymous No.10900740]

>>10900736
That's your problem if you don't understand it's all the same shit. Brand or no, don't wear lolita with shitty animal or anime costumes. Stop supporting furshit.

[Anonymous No.10900741]

>>10900735
>>10900731
Not even defending that coord but I'll never understand people who are "into old school" but just want to mimic the aesthetic to the letter and suck out all the chaos and fun that made old school what it was. It's just modern lolita with a frumpy coat of paint at that point.

[Anonymous No.10900746]

>>10900740
ayrt, I'm not defending it. I've already explained here >>10900445

[Anonymous No.10900747]

>>10900569
She really is the perfect Reddit lolita.

>>10900670
I refer to r/lolita as a fast fashion support group.

[Anonymous No.10900751]

>>10900741
there are ways to be experimental without making fucking ugly coords. As chaotic as old school may look to modern lolitas there were still rules. A lot of what you would consider chaos and fun was probably just a result of lolitas improvising because they didn't have 20 different pairs of shoes and bags in different colors to match whatever main piece they were wearing, the same thing applied to accessories. People had basic stuff (black blouse, white blouse, black shoes, maybe white shoes, black bag, maybe a white bag), anything on top of that was a welcome extra.
Some brands had very matchy matchy coords in their ads, there's nothing wrong with people wanting to emulate that. People back then wanted to emulate that as well. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not shaming anyone for wearing black shoes with a light pink main piece or any other coord that is not adhering to the standard formula as long as it still looks good.

It's just that a hot pink velveteen main piece is never going to look good with that particular gobelin bunny bag and that particular leg wear.

[Anonymous No.10900754]

>>10900741
Just as an aside, there's nothing stopping you or anyone from wearing modern lolita and making it fun, chaotic, and unique either.

[Anonymous No.10900759]

>>10900064
who is this? i want to see more of their coords

[Anonymous No.10900800]

>>10900746
No, you're defending VM and any other brands using weird furry costumes. Realistic, mascot or whatever It's all furshit. You're delusional for thinking there's a difference between those three.

[Anonymous No.10900805]

>>10900800
What? Are you gonna get mad at Disneyworld because Mickey Mouse is there?

[Anonymous No.10900809]

can we ignore retarded furry supporters and get back to posting itas?

[Anonymous No.10900810]

>>10900809
Considering everything to do with animals furry is autistic as fuck. You probably think it’s furry to have pets

[Anonymous No.10900815]

>>10900810
sorry you don't understand there isn't a difference between mascots furries and realistic costumes, nonna. must suck being so stupid all the time.

[Anonymous No.10900817]

>>10900815
Are you pretending to be retarded?

[Anonymous No.10900845]

[Anonymous No.10900849]

>>10900800
I want none of it in lolita meets and on coord sharing websites. That still doesn't mean mascots, furries and realistic animal costumes are the same thing.

[Anonymous No.10900855]

>>10900800
I think the VM heads are creepy and unsettling, and I wouldn't want anyone to bring that to a meet or post pictures wearing it to lolita spaces, but they're still not furry. If I'm going to pretend that it is furry, then the furries who want their furry stuff to be welcome in lolita spaces have their proof that "a brand did it" and will claim that therefore it should be acceptable in lolita.

If we're going to pretend that mascots are furry, then the funassyi btssb collab is the proof that "a brand did it". There are plenty of collabs between lolita brands and Mickey and Minnie mouse, tasteless maybe, but it's still not furry.

[Anonymous No.10900871]

>>10900845
Literally just take the vest and wrist cuffs off and wear some socks and this is fine. Makes me cry

[Anonymous No.10900881]

CNN posted an article about lolita and half their example photos are fat American itas.

[Anonymous No.10900964]

>>10900881
These are the faces of our fashion

[Anonymous No.10900975]

>>10900751
I’m a sweet lolita (basically the furthest thing from oldschool) yet even I can see that this coord isn’t ita. All it takes is to look at a single lolita magazine from the 00s to disprove the claim that this is “experimental” for the time period. Gobelin over solid prints is something you see EVERYWHERE in oldschool lolita. I find it hard to believe that these people are oldschoolers if your this strict. Also this OP is clearly red.

[Anonymous No.10900976]

>>10900975
>sweet lolita (basically the oldest thing from old school)
>thinks the issue is gobelin paired with solids
>doesn’t recognize AP’s hot pink velveteen
please go back. holy shit.

[Anonymous No.10900978]

>>10900976
*furthest
fuck, mobilefag typo

[Anonymous No.10900980]

>>10900975
you’re insane if you think that hideous, clashing coord has anywhere near the same visual effect as this beautiful street snap.

[Anonymous No.10900982]

>>10900980
You do realize that clashing and experimental coords is the reason why we have sweet and other Substyles right? Lolita didn’t stay the same forever. People started pairing different colors, prints, and that’s when lolita hit a global popularity boom.

[Anonymous No.10900987]

>>10900975
the picture you posted has a floral skirt with a straw bag, not a green+pink puke color scheme gobelin bag with a solid colored hot pink/dark pink main piece. And it is a hot pink/dark pink dress. Solid color main pieces with gobelin isn't the issue here.

[Anonymous No.10900989]

>>10900982
sweet is the oldest lolita style, kindly shut the fuck up.

[sage No.10900997]

>>10900989
Citation needed

[Anonymous No.10900999]

>>10900997
you sound like the retards that claim old school is its own substyle. do you know nothing about lolita history? i can’t tell if you’re one of those vkei tiktokfags that thinks MM started it all, or if you’re genuinely just stupid.

but maybe i’m the retard and i’m taking the bait.

[Anonymous No.10901009]

>>10900999
even if it's not a troll don't bother, tiktards don't know anything and refuse to believe anything other than the first "fact" they hear. she probably doesn't even know what pink house is.

[Anonymous No.10901073]

>>10900585
>But the coord itself is just average, compared to most r/lolita.
is this b8? The bar is in hell

[Anonymous No.10901078]

>>10900989
All of this just feels like mental gymnastics to prove anons point lol. Just accept the fact that lolita evolved overtime.

[Anonymous No.10901079]

>>10901078
just accept the fact that a green+pink puke color scheme gobelin bag with a solid colored hot pink/dark pink main piece has always been considered ugly, no matter the era of lolita fashion.

>>10900982 doesn't know a thing about lolita history and apparently neither do you.

[Anonymous No.10901083]

>>10900064
I honestly really like this and I think the colors work well

[Anonymous No.10901089]

>>10901079
you can just say you don't personally like gobelin

[Anonymous No.10901090]

Honestly most of these coords are only ita because they are worn by fat/ugly people.

[Anonymous No.10901101]

>>10901089
I love gobelin, I just don't like the color combinations used in that particular bunny bag. imo every colorway of the gobelin bunny bag looks rancid.

[Anonymous No.10901116]

>>10901090
More like pretty girls get away with subpar coords

[Anonymous No.10901129]

>>10901116
pretty girls generally dress well, though. tiktards and reddit babylitas obviously excluded, i can't think of a single conventionally pretty lolita on social media whose coords are not consistently well done.

[Anonymous No.10901132]

[Anonymous No.10901149]

>>10900964
I want to die, how did it get so bad

[Anonymous No.10901151]

>>10901149
Letting men and other degenerates in because "everyone can be kawaii" and bs like that.

[Anonymous No.10901164]

>>10901151
Aren’t those just fat girls

[Anonymous No.10901183]

>>10901164
they are. no change from status quo. portly women have always been the face of western lolita.

[Anonymous No.10901189]

>>10901149
Brands having more inclusive sizing + the girls who grew up reading /cgl/ as teens graduated high school and got fat probably. No point in everyone here complaining about it anyways, what's anyone gonna do about it

[Anonymous No.10901201]

>>10901164
>>10901183
>girls

[Anonymous No.10901209]

>>10901164
I'm pretty sure the middle two are men, or at the very least the second on the left.
Not that the image of lolita would 100% be restored if we just kicked all of the men out. It would be solve most of the issue though. But we would still have morbidly obese degenerate women with poor hygiene and none existing coording skills, who don't know that it's inappropriate to start talking about their own sex lives at the meet. And even if they understand it would be inappropriate, they still want to. No shortage of terribly dressed, unwashed obese women who are itching to talk about their kinks.

[Anonymous No.10901210]

>>10901201
What's on those badges?

[Anonymous No.10901213]

>>10901189
Meta's plus size was a mistake. Not only are all of the designs they decide to sell in plus sizes either ugly or mediocre imo, the plus size starts so big. The waist on the large majority of the dresses starts at 85cm, with maybe two that start smaller. I don't know what the size range is for their standard size, but I wouldn't be surprised if lolitas with a waist of 72-82 cm either can't fit into the standard size or would be stretching the shirring a lot.
I'm certainly not going to pay whatever it is for the plus sized version of their least ugly dress, then get the waist taken in just so I can have a dress with bit of extra boob room.

The plus size should have started smaller and they should have released less ugly dresses. But I'm obviously not a fan of modern meta .

[Anonymous No.10901225]

ITT: Pedos and incels, both fighting each other to be the most pathetic losers in the board.

[Anonymous No.10901227]

>>10901225
tranny hands typed this

[Anonymous No.10901229]

>>10901209
stop troonfoiling, it doesn't help anyone accusing girls of being men when they are genuinely just fat.

[Anonymous No.10901230]

>>10901201
i see an unfortunate fat girl and an average brown girl. you dropped this btw

[Anonymous No.10901235]

>>10901213
For some of their newest releases, the waist measurement for the standard size is about 70 or 72cm so if your in that range you shouldn’t have a problem (unless your buying the plus size version). But I’m definitely outcasted from nu meta for sure; for their older releases it would fit me (B77.5cm W61cm) but even if I wanted to buy a meta dress I would be out of luck, nu AP already shallows me.

[Anonymous No.10901243]

>>10901235
It really sucks for you if you're into sweet. Sounds like there is a size range in between the regular and plus size that is stretching the shirring too much on the standard size and being swallowed by the plus size.

[Anonymous No.10901256]

>>10901230
They are clearly men

[Anonymous No.10901260]

>>10901213
Cant you just tie the waist ties really tight?

[Anonymous No.10901262]

>>10901213
And starting smaller sort of defeats the purpose of being plus sized. You cant buy the regular size or just not buy at all.

[Anonymous No.10901265]

>>10901260
Nayrt but if the bodice is overall too large and only the waist is tight, that still makes for an awkward-looking fit. And sometimes it's still the case even if the corset lacing is tightened.

[Anonymous No.10901267]

>>10901260
The clothes get folds that I don't like the look of if I try to tie the waist ties on a blouse or dress that's too big in the waist.

>>10901262
I'm saying there are probably people who are left out because they're sort of in between the regular and the plus sized options, neither of those options fit them.

They could have the minimum measurements of the plus size start at the higher end of the regular size measurements so there's some overlap and no-one needs to choose between stretching the shirring too much or swimming in the dress, and then bring back the plus plus. They could call it size 1, 2 and 3 and have each size partially overlap with the one below it.

I'm pretty sure a waist size of 75-80cm is still plus sized so this wouldn't defeat the purpose.

[Anonymous No.10901275]

>>10901256
take your meds and stop cancerposting

[Anonymous No.10901280]

>>10901275
nayrt but the second one on the left is clearly a man.

[Anonymous No.10901293]

>>10901189
I'm fine with brands offering a broader range of sizes if it will result in a greater number of fat people having decent coords. However, even with brands offering more sizes I don't think it will change much cause most itas don't buy brand anyway

[Anonymous No.10901299]

>>10901280
NAYRT but these girls are local to me. Not men.

[Anonymous No.10901311]

>>10901213
>I wouldn't be surprised if lolitas with a waist of 72-82 cm either can't fit into the standard size or would be stretching the shirring a lot.
I'm in this situation and don't know if I should give their plus size line a shot or not.
I fit their regular size, meaning it looks good on me. Never got called out for bursting the seams on the CoF thread (lol) at least. Either way, considering I had to fix the inner seams after they bursted it was clearly not meant to be worn for someone my size.
I have regular sizes blouses and while the waist is fine, the bust and shoulder areas are a bit tight. It doesn't look bad under a jsk but I would be self conscious to wear them with a skirt. I'm afraid that if I get the plus size line the waist would be waaay to big to wear them with a skirt.
So yeah, I just prioritize buying IW large size blouses now. Honestly it's the best brand for people wearing a euro L size.

[Anonymous No.10901314]

>>10901267
I think people here need to evaluate what plus sized means because you can have some taobao brand list the size of a dress as 3X and its the size of AP going up to 98cm.

[Anonymous No.10901315]

>>10901262
>>10901267
Then pinch it in and alter it

[Anonymous No.10901324]

>>10901314
There will never be a consensus. That discussion has been going for decades without a conclusion.
For me personally, since all of the items I like are basically a Japanese size M (with some wiggle room if it has shirring), being above a Japanese size M means I can't fit into most of it. At that point, if I use the "above the size range where you can fit most releases" definition of "plus sized for lolita " that someone else came up with, I think it's completely fine and accurate to consider anything above a Japanese size M "plus sized for lolita ".

Of course I don't base my definition of plus size on whatever sizing system a taobao brand has.
Also a waist size of 75-80 is also large for my own country.

The whole point of meta's plus size was to include people. Then they should actually do that instead of starting the plus size so big that there are lots of people who are in-between the regular and plus size.

[Anonymous No.10901325]

>>10901315
If meta made the plus size in order to be inclusive, then they should have actually included the size range that is now in between the regular and the plus size.

If I love a dress enough I will buy it and have it taken in, but still kind of sucks that it would be necessary.

[Anonymous No.10901326]

>>10900041
everyone looks like shit now because the community bullied out the cute girls kek enjoy

[Anonymous No.10901336]

>>10900514
See I want to say x to doubt, because it’s either Lolita’s or ex Lolita who are posting it (both are equally as bad because different fashions and aesthetics) but I’ve also seen people post ap and baby as alternatives to selkie because of the ai thing. Part of me thinks that yes non Lolita’s may buy Lolita but change or seethe when they ruin the dress by washing it like regular clothes.

[Anonymous No.10901338]

>>10901325
meta makes plus sizes because kuniko kato herself is fat for japanese standards, and physdrop is the same. before they made plus sizes they already made dresses in the 80-something cm waist range - there's some translated captures of japanese lolitas from the old school times complaining about that on imageboards

[Anonymous No.10901339]

>>10901338
can you link or post the caps

[Anonymous No.10901342]

>>10901311
IW blouses are too short for me, but i've had a lot of luck with atepie

[Anonymous No.10901345]

Yes this was tagged as lolita.

[Anonymous No.10901346]

>>10901338
ayrt, I know kuniko kato used to be huge, she's lost a lot of weight and is closer to regular size now but probably still bigger than jpn M. I know old meta was quite size inclusive for the time, but there I doubt the "dresses in the 80-something cm waist range" was the minimum measurement for those dresses. That's probably with the shirring almost completely stretched.
Would love to see those caps though!

[Anonymous No.10901357]

>>10901345
I actually really like this coord for punk lolita but the normie blouse and the makeup destroys this look for me.

[Anonymous No.10901361]

>>10901357
are you retarded? this skirt cannot support a petticoat, the pleats are meant to lay flat. it’s a cute outfit but not at all lolita.

[Anonymous No.10901364]

>>10901361
There are plenty of oldschool dresses/skirts that cannot support a petticoat, Hell even some AP Salopettes for me can look wonky with a petticoat underneath. I think this can pass as a lolita coord but it’s definitely missing some important lolita elements (Lacing, Ribbons) which is probably the part that’s confusing you.

[Anonymous No.10901365]

>>10901364
nayrt but not every garment released by a lolita brand is lolita anon. it lacks the proper silhouette completely and not even in a “proto” way.

[Anonymous No.10901367]

>>10901364
nayrt, even old school skirts aren't this flat though. It's missing more elements than just some poof to be considered a punk lolita outfit.

[Anonymous No.10901368]

[Anonymous No.10901369]

>>10901364
sure, but this is clearly not a lolita skirt, or if it is, she's far too tall and wide for it. it's ridiculously short on her, if she bends at all it's over. if she did manage to cram a petti in there it'd be even shorter.

[Anonymous No.10901370]

>>10901361
the girl is just too tall and fat. just look at the lumps in her legs.

[Anonymous No.10901373]

>>10901368
Just say you're a boring basic bitch and go.

[Anonymous No.10901379]

>>10900056
cool as hell, it looks cute and she clearly had fun with it :)
could use different socks tho

[Anonymous No.10901380]

>>10901364
oh, so you are just retarded. good to know.

it’s not proto or old school. gtfo newfag, or at least learn some basics before posting.

[Anonymous No.10901381]

>>10900118
This is nostalgic. I think it's cute

[Anonymous No.10901393]

>>10901345
She should loose weight

[Anonymous No.10901401]

>>10901367
I already mention some examples of how the coord is missing some lolita elements, petticoats aren’t the end all be all especially in punk or oldschool. Anything else is just suggestions, like adding RHS would make the coord look better imo.

[Anonymous No.10901411]

>>10900704
That fursuit is terrible.. you can tell its anatomy is fucked up too. There are good lolita fursuits, but this is far from it

[Anonymous No.10901414]

>>10901401
this skirt is much flatter than any lolita skirt, even those that aren't meant to be worn with a petticoat. It doesn't have enough hem circumference. The pleats are also stitched down to almost halfway down. The two main pieces (jacket and skirt) aren't suitable for punk lolita so adding different shoes and accessories won't fix it imo. I totally get what she was going for though.

[Anonymous No.10901415]

>>10901411
>There are good lolita fursuits
NO

[Anonymous No.10901425]

>>10901411
On what planet do any fursuits look good with lolita? What a deranged take.

[Anonymous No.10901434]

>>10901345
>>10901364
>>10901401
NAYRT, it's not lolita at all. A punk version of nanchatte, maybe, but NOT lolita fashion. You are wrong.

[Anonymous No.10901438]

>>10901434
it doesn't give me "lolita fashion" vibes but nonetheless it's a cute outfit and i wouldn't suggest any changes

[Anonymous No.10901488]

>>10901438
this isn't a suggestion thread to fix coords, idiot

[Anonymous No.10901495]

>>10901488
what, people routinely do exactly that in ita threads all the time

[Anonymous No.10901499]

>>10901488
what is an ita thread but a harsh concrit circle

[Anonymous No.10901505]

>>10901499
>>10901495
no shit but it's not required and it's definitely not for saying x coord is good as a different fashion. if someone tagged it as lolita, that's what they think it is, doesn't matter that it's good as something else or not.

[Anonymous No.10901507]

so many strikes in this thread alone

[Anonymous No.10901508]

>>10901326
cute girls are never lez that's why :)

[Anonymous No.10901511]

>>10901505
imo coords that are cute but not lolita aren't ita. It's cringe that they try to call it lolita but ita is about looking like shit, not just not following the rules.

[Anonymous No.10901514]

>>10900082
Its all btssb, even the bows at the end of her pigtails

[Anonymous No.10901543]

>>10901514
Nayrt, the leg wear and shoes don't match the rest. Pretty sure the shoes aren't btssb. Not that it matters. It's not horrible enough for me to consider it ita. She should get some clip in hh bangs that fit her hair color, and some better shoes and more suitable socks.

[Anonymous No.10901544]

>>10901508
Sounds like wishful thinking.

[Anonymous No.10901547]

Tiktok itas are another breed.

[Anonymous No.10901555]

...

[Anonymous No.10901556]

>>10901555
Am I being punked?

[Anonymous No.10901557]

>>10901547
DAMN she blew up!

Unrelated ita in pic

[Anonymous No.10901559]

>>10901557

[Anonymous No.10901564]

>>10901557
Yuck

[Anonymous No.10901568]

>>10901555
have you ever SEEN such a resting bitch face

[Anonymous No.10901570]

>>10901559
this is precisely the kind of "thing" I don't want to see in lolita, we get it you fell for every meme in the urban trend world, stay out you fucking toxic waste

[Anonymous No.10901603]

>>10901557
Furry and kig apologists ITT are the reason why shit like this exists.

[Anonymous No.10901608]

3 whole shades of green, girl is breaking bank

[Anonymous No.10901610]

>>10901547
Omg I'd seen that video today, is it the one about her being bullied by teenage girls

[Anonymous No.10901611]

>>10901368
This adorable I love her wholesome smile, stop bulling autistic people anon

[Anonymous No.10901612]

>>10900310
>>10901547
I feel like we about to see more horns n ita soon

[Anonymous No.10901619]

>>10901612
Would you say the itas are ...horny?

[Anonymous No.10901628]

>>10901555
obvious vendetta post

[Anonymous No.10901637]

>>10901547
Never mind the horns, the dress hem is fraying on the bottom…what happened to her?

[Anonymous No.10901638]

>>10901637
Shhhh that hurts, I didn't even seen it until you mention it Why? how?

[Anonymous No.10901639]

>>10901555
>>10901568
Samefag

[Anonymous No.10901643]

>>10901638
She only has the one dress so it gets worn into the ground. Also if you've seen the way she lives this actually makes a lot of sense.

[Anonymous No.10901644]

>>10901643
She most certainly has other dresses, I remember seeing TikToks she took at kei con. This is just unfortunate. I feel bad for this girl and I hope she bounces back. She didn’t always look unkept like this.

[Anonymous No.10901660]

>>10901608
I see what you mean about the greens... I looked her up hoping she'd be a newbie and this was one of babby's firsts, but her profile says she's been in since 2013. Sad, because she's cute and has the right idea but kills all potential by cheaping out and wearing low-quality items. I'm still not sure this is bad enough to make the ita thread, though. Especially when you compare it to something like >>10900964

[Anonymous No.10901667]

>>10901608
the different shades of green match the different shades of pink. they are complementary colors.
it's not bad enough to be ita
even if it's not your taste and you don't know simple colour theory

[Anonymous No.10901677]

>>10900064
this isn't ita newfag

[Anonymous No.10901679]

>>10901677
nayrt, and I agree it's not ita but it sure is ugly.

[Anonymous No.10901704]

[Anonymous No.10901705]

As a forgoner can somebody explain this to me, why would somebody chose such a femine wear while claiming that, I don't know where to ask sory for being off the topic

[Anonymous No.10901711]

>>10901705
If you want a actual answer to that question; it’s because woke people like this want to have a “social” power over you, if you agree with them they’ll only raise the standard for who’s a “ally” until it’s ridiculous, and if you disagree you’ll be canceled. That or their actually retarded.

[Anonymous No.10901712]

>>10901705
What makes you think this isn't a male though? I can't tell from this picture.
I know it's weird if there's a girl wearing lolita who wants to be called a boy, but there are also actual boys wearing the fashion and I have no problem with a boy wearing lolita and calling himself a boy.

[Anonymous No.10901713]

>>10901712
A crossdressing male wouldn't say this on their post. It's also usually only genderspecial girls who want to be called a "boy", I basically never see adult men refer to themselves that way with zero irony

[Anonymous No.10901714]

>>10901712
A crossdressing male wouldn't say this on their post. Most men don't pass well enough as a woman to even need to clarify, and if they do its because they definitely want to be seen as female. It's also usually only genderspecial girls who want to be called a "boy", I basically never see adult men refer to themselves that way with zero irony

[Anonymous No.10901718]

>>10901705
lemme guess she's a "boy" because she likes "boy stuff" like video games, got a goofy anime haircut, and reads yaoi manga
it's hilarious how how all these people who think they are so unique and special are like clones of one another

[Anonymous No.10901733]

>>10901718
I hope a study gets done on this phenomenon. The amount of teenage and young adult claiming to be trans men just seems almost fetishistic.

They want to be little prince boy's forever but the second they grow a beard or start balding its like "jk im not a man anymore."

They need to think clearer about their choices before making the changes permanent. Yes you can de transition but your body will never be the same. These people really need to think past the yaoi uwu little prince sad boy aesthetic.

It sort of feels like it makes a mockery of the whole movement as well.

[Anonymous No.10901735]

>>10901733
>mockery of the whole movement as well.

"Transwomen" already make a mockery of the movement. I feel sad for every trans woman who isn't actually just a guy with an overblown feminization fetish. Before the increase of girls transitioning to be soft boys from their favourite manga/anime, trans women were the trans people I actually trusted weren't gross fetishists.

I just try to not socialize with annoying and gross "trans people " and genderspecials in the lolita community. That's also the only place I ever see them. Outside of the lolita comm I never bump into them.

[Anonymous No.10901739]

>>10901714
>adult men
that is a teenager anon

[Anonymous No.10901776]

>>10900087
Theoretically, I don't mind the idea of mask in lolita, there's some JP Lolita who does it but she actually does it really well. I would hate for it to catch on as some sort of trend because crafting one is way above most peoples skill levels and makes the fashion feel overly costumes like because you know most people aren't walking around daily life in a doll mask.

[Anonymous No.10901780]

>>10901705
It is a social contagion

[Anonymous No.10901781]

>>10901776
I know who you are talking about, she wears a BJD mask a million times prettier than any anime mask. But I still don't think it should be okay in comms, even if everyone could access such a beautiful mask it's still creepy and it would open up the door to several problems.

[Anonymous No.10901798]

>>10901781
>it would open up the door to several problems.
Such as?

[Anonymous No.10901800]

>>10901798
you can't think of even one problem that might arise from people covering their entire face?

[Anonymous No.10901810]

>>10901800
¿Do you think ugly girls showing up to a tea party it's a problem?

[Anonymous No.10901813]

>>10901810
you know that's not the problem she's talking about.

[Anonymous No.10901822]

>>10901667
>colour theory
Nothing about color theory will make those shoes compliment that dress. Gtfo

[Anonymous No.10901833]

>>10901822
People itt always act likely wildly mismatched colors like that aren't ita.

[Anonymous No.10901839]

>>10900732
>>10900735
>>10900751
god why lolitas have such a bad taste about fashion? you're only relying in formulaic coords because you don't have taste nor a fashion sense. Go grab a GLB, Fruits or some kera of the early 00s and learn goddammit

[Anonymous No.10901842]

>>10901839
Lolita is a fashion mostly for weird autistic girls who didn't even know how to dress themselves normally before finding lolita

[Anonymous No.10901844]

>>10901839
This is true, actually the fact that the colors aren’t 100% matching makes the coord a bit more oldschool in my opinion. Reminds me of girls in old street snaps were sometimes limited with what they had in their closets to choose from.

[Anonymous No.10901847]

>>10901800
did you miss all of covid

[Anonymous No.10901850]

>>10901555
This is totally fine lmao

[Anonymous No.10901853]

>>10901839
Yeah that’s all great and everything, but there’s ugly gobelin and then there is ugly ugly gobelin . This coord falls into the latter category.

[Anonymous No.10901854]

>>10901839
sorry you got posted

[Anonymous No.10901855]

>>10901844
You're agreeing with what I said here >>10900751 and I don't think that >>10900064
looks good. I also said there are non standard ways to coord this that would work.

[Anonymous No.10901856]

>>10901847
>covering their entire face
>covid

Were you wearing a hazmat suit?

[Anonymous No.10901862]

>>10901847
You intentionally missing the point isn't cute anymore, nonna.

[Anonymous No.10901867]

>>10901842
yes and it really shows, I wish we could go past that.
>>10901844
Exactly, not to mention that in editorials of lolita brands and of fucking Vivienne Westwood we can see this colour and pattern mismatch.
>>10901853
The fact that you don't like the coord and/or don't understand it doesn't make it ita

[Anonymous No.10901868]

>>10901867
sorry you got posted

[Anonymous No.10901887]

>>10901555
Is she tall? Milky planet is so flattering on her. I’m sold, I want exactly this.

[Anonymous No.10901910]

[Anonymous No.10901921]

[Anonymous No.10901923]

>>10901921
I love ice skating photos like this, so cute!

[Anonymous No.10901940]

[Anonymous No.10901941]

[Anonymous No.10902021]

>>10901941
this is fine and cute, are you a tasteless sweetfag or what?

[Anonymous No.10902044]

>>10902021
Wearing normies clothes is okay for Lolita now… weird af. You do know what the ita thread is made for right? People post them here to laugh at the bad coords and this one is ugly

[Anonymous No.10902057]

>>10901345
She obv probably tagged this as Lolita for reach purposes I don't even think that she thinks that this really is Lolita

[Anonymous No.10902065]

>>10902044
you must be a zoomer if you consider >>10901941 >normie clothes

[Anonymous No.10902095]

>>10901941
I don't hate this. It's balanced.

[Anonymous No.10902100]

>>10902044
You sure outed yourself as a newfag and a sweetfag both. Look, these aren't normie clothes and loliable clothes were accepted since always. Before laughing at itas you should do your homework and research more.

[Anonymous No.10902132]

>>10901941
>>10902021
Is this even trying to be lolita? Doesn't read that way
>>10902065
by no means this is normie fashion but
>the socks
>the docs
>the blouse and beret you could get in H&M
come on
>>10902100
Loliables are fine so long the result looks good and actually lolita

[Anonymous No.10902148]

>>10901867
>editorials
An editorial photoshoot isn't always meant to be an accurate representation of how you're actually expected to wear the fashion irl.
>Vivienne Westwood
Which isn't lolita. Mismatching patterns can work well in one style, but not another, especially those with relatively strict guidelines and if the entire idea is to look polished. It can also either be done well or look like an eyesore, like in the coord in question, which was put together by a perma-ita who just happens to own rare brand, no less.

[Anonymous No.10902157]

>>10902148
>a perma-ita

don't bother, she's been known to post here so I wouldn't be surprised if she's pretending to be someone else and defending herself.

[Anonymous No.10902162]

>>10902148
>>10902157
I don't even know who the fuck is that girl, Im only annoyed at how clueless and autist are some of you, acting as the lolita police like they know something about fashion in general or like they have a developed taste when only can stick to formulaic and boring coords.
Also where is written how you're actually expected to wear the fashion?
Editorial photoshoots are accurate lolita and VW is one the foundations of the style, among Jane Marple, Milk and Pink House.
And the strict guidelines are for unfashionable autists who don't know how to dress themselves.
Sorry you don't get it, maybe you can start researching about the brands I mentioned earlier and they influence on lolita or about fashion in general and get a fucking clue.

[Anonymous No.10902163]

>>10902148
Also, about the point of look polished. Clothes and fashion are meant to be worn, not only for social media aesthetics. This mindset along with the stricter rules has made lolita less an alt fashion and more a costume. Thats why im so pissed by itas at heart like u

[Anonymous No.10902164]

>>10902162
sorry you got posted

[Anonymous No.10902202]

>>10902162
You don't want to listen but I'll say it anyway: there are good and bad ways to combine different colors, textures and patterns. Mismatching colors/textures/patterns can look good, or it can look bad depending on how you do it. The coord looked bad, and that had nothing to do with the lack of some kind of formula. When experimenting with outfits it can go three ways, you can get a pile of poo, you can get something mediocre or you can get a real gem. This was a pile of poo. It is in no way close to the fun, cool, wild and improvised outfits of 90s and early to mid 2000s.
Now if she wants to go out in a crap outfit that's her decision and only her own business until she decided to broadcast it, and we would have never known until she put a picture online. Experimental coords don't earn you clout points if the coord is bad.

[Anonymous No.10902210]

>>10902202
There you are, talking about clout points when I stated that this kind of mindset is killing lolita as an alt fashion and made it a costume.
Again, clothes and fashion are meant to be WORN, mismatching is so common in fashion in general and in this fashion was so common too and look polished many times goes against the mindset of wearing the fashion and not a costume. You don't even know why the coords looks bad TO YOU, you're only regurgitating the rules that the western comm had imposed arbitrary. And you seem to have a vendetta against this whoever girl, because you are moving the point from fashion to the person that is wearing it.

[Anonymous No.10902216]

>>10902210
me mentioning clout points does not invalidate the rest of my comment. It's also relevant because she's part of the group that does upload experimental, ugly coords for clout. This doesn't mean I personally engage in this kind of behavior. In fact I hate that sort of thing. We agree with each other on this.

>look polished many times goes against the mindset of wearing the fashion and not a costume

Depends on your personal definition of polished. imo you don't have to look perfect or follow a formula. If you have a functional wardrobe (even if it's a small one) you can make several good looking outfits. There's nothing wrong with that and plenty of people in old street snaps had cohesive outfits. It's okay to experiment for several reasons, whether you are bored or simply doing it out of necessity. Things don't have to match in order to make a beautiful whole. Do a flat lay if you need to, and then if it ends up looking ugly then why would you want to wear it? Yes, clothes are meant to be worn, but if you have a functional wardrobe you have a choice. You can choose to wear a good looking outfit and not an ugly one. With lolita you don't just go "oh, it's this cold out, I'm going to wear this and that piece" and only look at the practical side with no regard to how things look together. You might as well let a randomizer pick your outfit at that point. Can you really claim to love the fashion if it's "just clothes" and you don't care about how the coord looks? If it's "just clothes" then save yourself the money and buy mainstream items from a local thrift store.

I know exactly why I don't like certain coords, and it has nothing to do with rules of formulas. Don't make this about a vendetta just because we (yes we, the others have given up on you at this point) disagree with you.

[Anonymous No.10902218]

>>10902210
also fruits street snaps are not representative of the japanese lolita community and how they liked wearing lolita. The owner and photographer Shoichi Aoki did not like perfect depictions of lolita, because he thought it was not original enough and he hated the brand forward aspect of it. So he preferred to feature experimental outfits.

Other early street snaps also aren't fully representative of what japanese lolitas preferred to wear. The people featured tended to skew on the young side (many more 16 and 17yos than today), and did not have the means to buy more than a few main pieces and some accessories. These people improvised out of necessity. Instead look at the content of old forums and blogs, where there was a preference for full brand coords. What people wear out of necessity and what they aspire to wear are two different things. Even mixing brands was considered a bit iffy. In contrast the "rules that the western comm had imposed arbitrarily" as you call it are far more flexible because the western comm never cared about brand mixing to that extent, in fact the western comm didn't care at all about brand mixing in the early days of EGL LJ.

You paint a picture as the japanese lolitas back in the day being "free and experimental" (which you base on street snaps) and the western comm being "uptight and rule bound" when it's more the other way around. These days the japanese comm has changed and there are more free and experimental people, but the western comm has also relaxed even more. Just look at what's considered okay by a lot of coord sharing group standards.

[Anonymous No.10902219]

>>10902162
>only can stick to formulaic and boring coords
I hate to break it to you, anon, but you can look polished without having your coord be formulaic or boring. Perfecting a concept and wanting to look your best isn't the same as copying a brand coord or wearing a full set.
>Editorial photoshoots are accurate
See picrel.
>maybe you can start researching about the brands I mentioned earlier and they influence on lolita or about fashion in general and get a fucking clue.
>t. Literally wrote a paper on the origins of lolita fashion dating back to the 60s

[Anonymous No.10902222]

>>10902219
nayrt, but I think it's just her self posting. Anon insists not to know who is in the picture ("this whoever girl", "I don't even know who the fuck is that girl") but then preaches about the brands that founded the fashion.
Every old schooler would recognize who the person in the picture is from the back alone, many non old schoolers know who that is from the back alone.

[Anonymous No.10902246]

>>10902216
>>10902218
It invalidates your point because you are biased, I don't know that group of lolitas and I don't care. I care about what Im seeing which is a good coord with mismatched thighs which gives an interesting twist. Green and pink looks great together.
And you are making a lot of assumptions, there is a point between practical, polished and fashionable that the lolita comm can't grasp. And I'm on the side of Shoichi Aoki, while a 1:1 coord is polished and cute, most of the times lacks the fashionable aspect that I value as an altfashionfag first and foremost. And what an specific group of japanese lolitas, like the western comm, had as rules isn't either a representation of how lolita should be worn. Aside fruits you have streetsnaps at keruoac where they mix brands for example.
>>10902219
and in that example of editorial I find a good coord honestly. If you wrote a paper about the origins of lolita then why are you so stuck on a narrowing view of lolita when it has so many possibilities as you surely found in your research?
good lord, all this nitpicking for vendetta and mismatched thighs.

>>10902222
Good try but Im an isolated lolita who rarely engages with the comm for all the autism that runs.

[Anonymous No.10902250]

>>10902246

the large majority has always favored cohesive well thought out coords over experimental ones with clashing colors, patterns and textures. That doesn't make it costumey instead of fashion, it was how brands recommended it to be worn, including the more creative styling advice from meta. You can do whatever the fuck you want with your clothes, but a "everything but the kitchen sink" approach doesn't make it more lolita than the more cohesive styling of others. Your "lolita is whatever I say it is" mindset isn't welcome in the community, which you claim to not want to engage in because of the high levels of autism present in the comm. I don't know what you'll get out of visiting CGL, this is the comm just with less self censorship. You're just going to get angry when you look at the ita thread every time, and you'll tell yourself "they don't get it".
Well boo fucking hoo, get the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.10902347]

>>10902246
>calling kera by its full name then calling US autistic
yet another annoying newfag who just finished “getting really into” lolita by looking at magazine scans for 6 hours, has probably 2 complete coords, and hasn’t been around long enough to develop a coording sense

[Anonymous No.10902352]

>>10902246
>I'm not like other girls
>the rules are arbitrary, screw the rules
>"kera and fruits magazine streets snaps are representative of how lolita should be worn"
>points at what the actual Japanese lolita comm at the time preferred to wear "but that, that doesn't count"


Let me guess what's next. "Glb is too mainstream, they're paid off by the brands". "How lolita brands coord their outfits in photoshoots isn't how lolita is meant to be worn, they're selling you a costume, unless it's VW, MILK, or Jane Marple. Then it's suddenly valid because it proves my point".

[Anonymous No.10902433]

Close your fucking legs. I watched 5 minutes of the Btssb fashion show video and every time this person is manspreading to the utmost.

[Anonymous No.10902441]

>>10902433
How is this possible to be that fat cm

[Anonymous No.10902471]

>>10900056
this is really cute in an insane kinda way. imo

[Anonymous No.10902473]

>>10900116
echoing what the other anon said, the stripes don't really work w this but not ita

[Anonymous No.10902476]

>>10901267
agreeing with this, i'm ~76cm(not even fat, just 5'11) and usually fall in the middle of sizing. but i rarely buy nu meta anymore so take this with a grain of salt

[Anonymous No.10902522]

How did this orange clown get into he show? They were so embarrassing to watch and looks so out of place compared to everyone else in the show.

[Anonymous No.10902553]

>>10902522
Kek I immediately clocked this tranny with that gross ass sissy walk of his

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[Anonymous No.10902582]

>>10902522
damn, lor's looking rough

[Anonymous No.10902585]

>>10902582
Jail!

[Anonymous No.10902596]

>>10902522
This is how the Japanese brands see the western comms lmao.
Tell me you don't have at least one of these troons at your tea parties.

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[Anonymous No.10902911]

>>10900130
>scent of a woman
>Hitchcock setting
>shoes untied
Yes, the hair, my god

[Anonymous No.10903369]

>>10902736
not even lolita

[Anonymous No.10903872]

>>10900063
The blouse, JSK and jewelry actually look really cool here. Needs different tights and bag I would say, but I want the dress

[Anonymous No.10904156]

>>10902522
fucking disgusting, surprised they didn't invite admiral latrine or this freak to walk the runway too

[Anonymous No.10904163]

>>10901338
Old Meta made a lot of large OPs and JSKs but a lot of their skirts and other separates were quite small.

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[Anonymous No.10905264]

>>10905032
welcome to my twisted mind…

[Anonymous No.10905454]

https://youtu.be/pPeaCKFsm0s