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10403868 No.10403868 [Reply] [Original]

What makes lolitas so sensitive towards lowballing?
I'm genuinely asking. Isn't it easier to give some basic ass polite rejection and move on the day?

>> No.10403871

>>10403868
There’s a current trend on here about people enforcing market value on everything and getting pissed as hell when anyone steps out of the box. I am someone who always asks for at most 20% because that was how you did things in the days of yore, but idk if someone asked for 50% off I would just say no. It’s not like I sewed the dress myself. There is no reason to be upset

>> No.10403873

>>10403868
Basically it shows that you dont the the value of the item & you are trying to do lolita for cheap.

>> No.10403876

>>10403873
But why be mad? Who cares? This isn’t the price is right

>> No.10403877

>>10403868
I wanted to write "that you dont know/ respect"

>>10403876
maybe they are mad you are waisting their time with supper low offers ? I dont know, does it happen to you often?

>> No.10403879

>>10403868
>What makes lolitas so sensitive towards lowballing?
Because it's rude as fuck to lowball anyone. It's rude to lowball on like Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace too, so why should lolitas be ok with it?
Also, in my experience, people who try to lowball you for lolita pieces become aggressive or try to hit you with a sob story when you reject their offer. I've had newbs cuss me out over Taobao jsks that I'm selling for $40-50 kek.

>> No.10403885

>>10403877
I don’t make offers and I definitely don’t lowball, but I don’t get mad when people do it to me. It takes 2 seconds to reply to a LM message, it’s hardly “waisted time”

>> No.10403886

>>10403868
If you say things in your listing like "need to sell asap" then you should expect lowballs tbf. i don't understand who apparently desperately need to sell something quickly, but stay firm on the price

>> No.10403887

>>10403885
I am kinda confused, why are you complaining about something that you haven't even experienced?

>> No.10403890

>>10403886
This

>>10403879
Although if they are being aggressive I would be mad too, but for other reasons.

Mad about lowballing has the same vibe as mad someone didn’t buy after they asked for shipping costs per your TOS. LM messages are a part of selling, chill out,

>> No.10403893

>>10403887
Because people complain here and I think it’s a dumb complaint

>> No.10403896

>>10403885
It isn't for you to decided how peoples time is valued. There is a level of etiquette and respect that people seem to be lacking when they ask for things like this. If a person says they are receptive to offers it is ok to ask, in any other instance you are taking up someones time and being presumptuous. If you are going to ask you should be willing to buy the item at what they value it at, most of the time no sale comes from it even if a payment plan is offered to the low-baller.

>> No.10403898

>>10403893
Ahhh people are always overthetop when venting here. Its just something that anoys them .

>> No.10403899

Because theyre scalping bitches. I asked for a small discount and payment plan on a jsk on lacemarket and the seller didnt even reply. Stupid bitch

>> No.10403900

>>10403896
No, I’m pretty sure I am going to judge someone throwing a hissy fit that they had to type a 1 sentence message. Sorry. If you don’t accept offers and it’s in your TOS than sure I would be annoyed. But if you say you are accepting offers don’t need be pissed when you get one that isn’t what you wanted

>> No.10403904

>>10403899
Honestly I’m surprssied the anti scalper anons aren’t pro lowballing. If you are so mad someone has had a dress up for 3 months at double market value just ask if they will lower it

>> No.10403905

>>10403899
yikes, you sound exactly like the retard who kept spamming me for 20 dollars off and a payment plan on a $60 jsk. and no, it's not my fault someone bought it before you

>> No.10403906

>>10403899
Entitled much? I’d rather let my things rot in the closet than sell to someone like you

>> No.10403910

>>10403899
>guaranteedreplies.jpg

>> No.10403918 [DELETED] 

>>10403899
Ok poorfag

>> No.10403924

>>10403896
>It isn't for you to decided how peoples time is valued.
Then you tell me how much of a loss does it make to put some short but yet polite rejection?

>> No.10403936 [DELETED] 

>>10403924
Depends on how low the offer was. Most offers I get are really insultingly low so I just don’t respond. No I’m not going to sell you misty sky for $150

>> No.10403941

>>10403900
Once I offered a retail price for $500 dress, ended up getting 10% discount. Imo if listing doesn't say against, making an offer is worth a shot.

>> No.10403943 [DELETED] 

>>10403941
>Imo if listing doesn't say against, making an offer is worth a shot.

Please do not do this. There is a “make me an offer” option for a reason. I purposefully do not put it on my listings because I don’t want offers, otherwise I would use it. I still get retards like you messaging me

>hewwo :3 pls giv 50% discount? Ik it’s $100 but like lol that’s too exbensive xD

>> No.10403944

>>10403868
It’s rude. Not just in the lolita community, it’s universally considered rude. There are entire FB groups dedicated to mocking people who lowball.

>> No.10403945

>>10403944
On things like freelance work or art. Which makes sense, it’s people’s skill time and livelihood. You did not spend hours of time replying to an email you spent decades cultivating the skill to do. I have yet to see a group dedicated to “get a load of this asshole, she asked me to pay $250 for my $500 dress!!”

>> No.10403946

>>10403945
You’re obviously not looking in the right places then. I see that shit all the time.

>> No.10403947 [DELETED] 

>>10403945
There’s plenty of SSs of stuff like that in YouTube videos, subreddits, etc. Im not sure how you haven’t come across it but it exists.

>> No.10403951

I don't mind people lowballing me, I very very very much mind people getting angry at me for replying "sorry but no that's too low for me to sell"

>> No.10403952 [DELETED] 

>>10403951
Soooo... all of them? I’ve always been met with reeeing in response to me turning them down. Which is why I don’t bother responding now.

>> No.10403953

>>10403952
Same. The last one I rejected got personal with the insults over a dress I never listed for sale.

>> No.10403955 [DELETED] 

>>10403953
Once I outbid someone who was bidding on two items on just one of them items because I didn’t need the other and I got a message demanding I pay for the other item I didn’t want too because I outbid her on the other item. I have honestly gotten to the point where I assume 99% of lolitas are actually, 100% mentally challenged.

>> No.10403956

>>10403899
No one owes you a discount, you sound like a lolita Karen.

>> No.10403959

>>10403951
I think it’s okay to ask questions, but only if you take no as answer.

>> No.10403960

>>10403943
That “make an offer” button is pretty funny to me when people put a BIN price and also click it . If you click that no one is going to buy your item at the listed price, because they see you’re willing to go cheaper

>> No.10403961

>>10403868
Because it’s just poor etiquette, and shows the person doesn’t genuinely value the item, they’re just after a deal. Unless the person has left the door open to offers, lowball offers are seen as a bit insulting amongst most lolitas. I’ve had people cuss me out for not accepting their offer, so it doesn’t seem to matter whether you respond nicely or not.

>> No.10403963

>>10403951
I get lowball offers but I count myself lucky that I’ve never had someone get angry or weird. I know it happens

>> No.10403970

If something’s been up for a while I’ll probably agree to a discount, but most of the offers I get want me to cut my price in half or worse. Just recently someone demanded free shipping to Australia for a €25 cutsew. Shipping would’ve been around €25 too. Sure it sucks that it’s so expensive but I’m not giving you this thing for free.

>>10403953
Insults or guilt tripping. Usually I just assume they’re lying, but it wouldn’t surprise me if there really were lolitas out there who keep buying frilly clothes even while they’re nearly homeless with a sick dog and mountains of student debt.

>> No.10403971

>>10403943
I just realized it must be some sort of cultural thing, because in my area if you shop for clothes at some smaller local business, it’s okay to ask for discount. Giving a price down is considered as some sort of good will, even tho it’s known they often mark up the items in advance. Btw if you look up the Japanese second hand market, it’s pretty common practice.
I guess not asking for discount is the thing one should just remember without going deep when buying from LM.

>> No.10403977

>>10403899
Haha what the fuck. You ask for a discount OR a payment plan. Not both.

>> No.10403979

>>10403971

In some cultures haggling is common. But even in those cultures people typically only lower the price for people of their own culture or may still upcharge tourists or strangers. On LM everyone is a stranger.

I never make offers unless the option is open or if a seller is seriously scalping, but the scalpers have always been the ones least willing to lower their price or the most rude in responding while the normal sellers or even just moderately overpriced listing sellers (selling a dress for $300 that usually goes for 150 or something but it's in nice condition) are usually very polite in their rejections to me if they aren't open to the offer.

>> No.10403980

>>10403970
The shipping questions are ridiculous. We don't set the prices. I had someone once message if I could check UPS/FedEx/DHL because USPS international was sooooo expensive. Like, I'm an individual, not a company. Guaranteed the couriers are going to cost at least double. And I'm not wasting time checking with each courier individually!

>> No.10403981

>>10403980

It's actually really hard sometimes to check rates with UPS or other companies without physically going there. The closest UPS to me is only 3ish miles away but they always tell me to physically come to the store for a quote unless I'm a business using their service so I just ship USPS only. It's usually cheaper anyway.

>> No.10403985 [DELETED] 

>>10403955
I hope you told them to fuck off

>> No.10403986

>>10403981
Wow and here I was annoyed when I just thought it was going to take a few phone calls.

>> No.10403988 [DELETED] 

>>10403980
> And I'm not wasting time checking with each courier individually!
Which you can also tell the buyer directly. Honestly, how many sales are you doing per year to be so pissed of interacting with people?

>> No.10403989

False sense of superiority. It's stupidly prevalent in lolita.

>> No.10403992

>>10403989
Idk, I kinda get that asking some ridiculous mark down is like trying to fool people, which they expectedly don’t like.

>> No.10404013

>>10403980
Good to know you value gulls high enough to spend nearly a hour of your time to be posting itt :)

>> No.10404023

What about when people ask to ship on a piece you have marked "no international shipping"?
I was trying to look up a quote but they were all super expensive.
It didn't bother me too much to look into it for them, though.

>> No.10404024

>>10404023
I think ignoring TOS is way worse than offering low bids on dresses

>> No.10404037

>>10403980
There are all kinds of services that offer flat rate shipping labels and you can just get one that would cover the weight of most pieces. It's really not hard to gauge.

>> No.10404057

my issue with lowball offers is that they are usually always from poorfags. if they're not they will be reasonable like " i saw this colorway being sold for $50 less a few months ago, would you be willing to lower the price?" and usually i will meet them in the middle or accept the lower price. poorfags always ask for a considerable amount off, usually $100 or more and open with whining about not being able to afford the dress or that it's their dream dress or something, but on the off chance i lower the price, they suddenly don't want it.

>> No.10404058

>>10404037
NTA, but flatrate tends to be super expensive outside of the country. inside your own country it's cheaper, but outside it generally compensates for the higher end of the weight allowed.

>> No.10405290

If you have an imaginary price in your head that you want to stay firm on, just hard sell it at that point? If no one is buying your JSK listed at $400 (the lowest you'd consider selling it for) then it's NOT worth $400.

>> No.10405303

I almost always give an offer first on anything over $100 unless an item was recently listed and has some traction with likes/reacts/comments, or its already at a very fair price. If I know I want to buy it but it's been up a little while, I may as well ask for a slightly lower price. Or I may try and get 2 things at a reduced price, since I have to message about shipping anyways. Worst they can say is no, and I might buy it anyways.

>> No.10405306

>>10404023
I don't mind if they ask, because those people tend to have already accepted that it's going to be expensive. I once had someone international buy such a listing without asking at all and thought that was incredibly rude.