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Okay, so I want to become a lolita SM influencer. Where do I start? Post tips.

>> No.10392927

>>10392926
If you don’t even know what step 1 is, you’re already ngmi.

>> No.10392928
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>>10392926

>> No.10392949

>>10392927
Thing is I don't really get what's relevant these days. I see how people with pretty much equally good coords may have drastically different following.

>> No.10392952

>>10392949
Prior popularity on other platforms is helpful. Tagging things well and good photos, posting frequently, not being annoying in your stories, having popular friends. The same way sm always works.

>> No.10392976

>>10392949
>Thing is I don't really get what's relevant these days.
How?? And why would you want to be an influencer?

>> No.10392977

>>10392926
>wanting to be an influencer unironically

>> No.10392981

>>10392949
again, >>10392927

>> No.10393028

>>10392926
Besides what suggested earlier it might help making your own lolita-appropriate merch.

>> No.10393035

>>10393028
You need a following to sell merch. No one's gonna buy merch from a nobody.

>> No.10393038

The thing about being an influencer is that it's a title you earn, not something I think you can really set off to be other than trying your best. Whether or not people actually like your coords, are willing to take your advice and listen to what you have to say is their choice

>> No.10393039

>>10393038
But when are you popular enough as a lolita to be labled an influencer?

>> No.10393041

Honestly just have a bunch of money and buy a lot of stuff that goes together, especially OTT stuff. It's pretty much what Cadney and K8 did.

>> No.10393043

>>10393039
>to be labled an influencer?

Do you know anyone labeled as such? Not even Lor, who is a normal person with no merch and brand, but with a huge following, is seen as an influencer by the community.

>> No.10393052

Other than the above advice, you should try incorporating something 'unique.' Preferably trashy enough to alienate the 10% of the community but unique enough to make the idiot masses love it. Bonus points if you can make it SJW

Some examples:
>girlytoot's hipster glasses before she ditched those
>Frochan
>Clownlita, which is a mistake but also isn't

If you want to become famous by looking nice and pretty all the time, forget it. Edgy is the new currency.

>> No.10393148

Lolita is one of the last communities you should attempt to become an influencer in unless you have the following:
-large wardrobe with rare prints/pieces
-consistent posting in new coords as well as with new releases
-you better be in decent shape, there’s no lolita influencer that’s a landwhale. You can be plus size tho like Cadney
- have a clear aesthetic that’s low key gimmicky as >>10393052 mentioned. K8 had hipster turned OTT, Claire had a galaxy theme, batty is spoopy. (All of them clustered together so they could boost each other tho so you might want to think about finding people to do that with)
-be active in the community and actually have good shit to say


Or alternatively you could be like some other well known lolitas and gain clout thru drama. I mean, you already here thirsting for fame so why not slip to the dark side and start shitposting your comm itas or self post

>> No.10393164

It is impossible to be a lolita influencer per se, because of the nature of lolita. You can't "influence" something that is reliant on what is popular in Japan and China and controlled by brands and their designers. What this anon >>10393052 described is the only way to try to be one, but it's really easy to fail and be hated. Honestly a terrible goal and if you even aspire to be a lolita icon you're probably a newfag that doesn't know how the community works.

>> No.10393176

>>10393164
Dumb.

Just go to Japan and butter up a bunch of designers with big stacks of Jew money. Anything can be influenced.

>> No.10393187
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>>10392926
It feels like all of the lolitas who are well known in the community tend to reach audiences on a lot of platforms; Lor, Batty, and Kate all have or had YouTube's as well as Instagrams. Added to that like >>10393148 said they all boosted each other's content with likes and comments and interaction, driving each of their individual followers to each other. Having a gimiky asthetic will probably help, but still following traditional guidelines for what is cute and keeping cohesion and consistently on your instagram timeline will help too. People prefer looking at and staying on the Instagram pages of people who have an aesthetic they stick too. Look at tsumikko(lavenders + pastels) fannyrosie (warm tones + soft lighting) hellobatty (purples and pinks + black) for a few examples of this. Based on my experience it seems that people also give photos more likes if its a full body with no camera visible, lighting that clearly highlights all of the coordinate elements and the BG colors at least somewhat go with the subject.
I think people also really enjoy ease of use, so making and using a platform that most lolitas are unfamiliar with or don't use won't help. For example if you make a personal blog make sure to crosspost to platforms your followers are more likely to look at everyday like Instagram.
Doing reviews is also a great way to get people looking at your content, I don't buy things without checking reviews first personally and I know I'm not the only one. Going to events and especially conventions with brand tea events, chatting up other lolitas at tea parties and other events, ask for their info or whatever.
Once you get bigger consider doing give aways or other types of content that requires you to interact with your followers directly is always good too.

Idk this all seems like pretty generic advice but there ya go.

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>>10393176
out, scrote

>> No.10393198

>>10392926
The only major SM influencers for lolita these days are Misako, Lor, Fanny, and IVB.

>> No.10393203

>>10393198
IVB? Are you high

>> No.10393206

>>10393164
Yup, exactly. The only "influencers" in lolita are the ones with actual power to influence trends, like models or top girls in Japan. Would it be impossible for a westerner? I mean, technically no, but it'd be a hell of a lot more difficult. You'd need to start a trend that not only would catch on in the western sphere, but the Japanese sphere too so brands would take notice. MAYBE if you were able to ride the same wave of those select few white girls back in the day, who were able to live in Japan and model for the brands, you could have done something like this. OR if the indie brand scene in the west became bigger and more influential like it is in China with Taobao.
The difficulty of becoming an "influencer" on purpose - let alone for an extremely tiny and niche fashion - is that you have no way of predicting the future. While most influencers work hard to some degree or another, a major contributing factor to their success was sheer, dumb luck.

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>>10393198
IVB is ugly as shit and no one is influenced by her except for her like 2 friends and doormat husband.

>> No.10393223

>>10393219
Her military husband better get her on a dental plan

>> No.10393250

>>10393043
I think Lor is definitely seen as an influencer. That's why she gets endorsements from companies.

>> No.10393276

>>10392926
Erase the noses

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>>10393250
I think Lor influences new lolitas a lot actually on where to buy and what to wear which makes me nervous cause I actually think she's styles herself really poorly. She's nice enough though.

>> No.10393279

>>10392949
>be an oldschooler
>act edgy as fuck
>old school is the real lolita
>smear period blood on face, piss in public, steal chokers
>??????
>enjoy underage orbiters

>> No.10393402

>>10393223
Nah she'd rather spend that money on burando and trinkets for her baby kek

>> No.10393404

>>10393219
How do you find guys that are complete doormats?

>> No.10393414

>>10393404
like anime, lower standards

>> No.10393420

>>10393404
basically all the ugly ones

>> No.10393425

>>10393404
I have a conventionally attractive bf who is a complete doormat. The key is to find a perfectionist with low self esteem. They’ll always be working to improve themselves (i.e. fit) but never think they’re good enough (i.e. will bend over backwards to please).

>> No.10393427

>>10393198
IVB only has about 9000 followers, which isn’t even influential enough for ig to let you put links in the bio. I’ve definitely seen sweet lolitas with way more, although I can’t name them because I don’t follow sweets.

>> No.10393445

>>10393035
not lolita but cherrycheezy as a nobody before everyone started buying her stuff and now she's got a huge following, so much so that she was able to keep the following even after she dropped the fashion she was making.

>> No.10393446

>>10393250
She definitely is one but she's not labeled as one on IG or YT.
If OP really wants the influencer title, they'd have to get into normie fasion modeling.

>> No.10393449

>>10393187
With the reviews, are they specifically lolita fashion items?
I wonder how that works with limited items that sellout. Do people really want to watch reviews on items they may never find or have?

>> No.10393460
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>>10393449
I'd imagine you'd want to review things that are related to your content, lolitas won't care if you're reviewing final fantasy 7 or whatever.
I personally don't watch unboxing for exactly the reason you're describing, if I can't buy it I don't care. I'd focus on things that aren't limited or don't have much feedback but have the potential to be cool items. For example recently I was looking for some shoe reviews but didn't see any in English for the specific taobao brand I was looking up. Being specific with your reviews is better too imo, I'll hear reviewers say stuff like, "oh it looks really nice!" But that doesn't actually tell me much about the quality of the item. What's the fabric feel like? Is it breathable or warm? Is it soft or rigid? Does it smell like a weird Chinese factory?
Doing reviews after a few wears is super nice too, esp with things like parasols, bags, shoes, and petticoats, since those things can wear out faster depending on different conditions. For example, my AP parasols are kinda garbage for windy places.

That all said, I guess you could do reviews on things tangentially related to cutesy lifestyle stuff. Maybe teas, cute dishware, makeup, haircare, kawaii home goods, iono. I'd watch it.

>> No.10393465

>>10393425
>perfectionism
This is the missing link, thank you. It's just so hard to grasp someone's personality when you first start dating, ya know? They always wanna put their best face on, so it can be hard to tell if self esteem is low.

>> No.10393473

>>10393460
What's the middle dress here?

>> No.10393475

>>10393473
AP’s Daydream Carnival

>> No.10393476

>>10393473
>not recognizing ddc
your newfag is showing

>> No.10393479

>>10392926
Start a drama

>> No.10393484

>>10393476
nta but reminder that not everyone cares about ap or sweet in general

>> No.10393497

>>10393484
You have to wear sweet to be relevant. If you also own one moitie dress and say that you worship Mana and you are set.

>> No.10393502

>>10393484
I'm a former gothfag, current classicfag, and even I know what ddc looks like. It's a pretty iconic print. Definitely not lotta, iron gate, or sugary carnival level, but still pretty up there as a well known print.

>> No.10393521

>>10393446
>she's not labeled as one on IG or YT
You mean these blue check marks? How much of followers do you even need to get one?

>> No.10393725

>>10393041
I’ve never been into lolita influencers other than maybe FR, but can someone remind me who k8 is? She’s mentioned all the time on here but I have no memory of her. Is she the Rouge Aerie designer?

>> No.10393754

>>10393250
Are you American? I am asking because maybe she could be a local influencer, which it's fairly easier to become. I'd give up on the idea of becoming a global I fluencer for this fashion.

>> No.10393758

>>10393427
you link a website anyway anon... you don't need to be famous.

>> No.10393988

>>10393725
Girlyhoot. Check the farm

>> No.10393994

>>10393521
more than any lolita can get. It's too niche of a hobby. Even kawaii ambassadors don't have them.

>> No.10394010

>>10393521
Even “famous” costhots and egirls don’t get them. You have to actually be notable in some way to get it.

>> No.10394177

>>10393754
Yes, and I did mean influencer in the western comm only. I don't think any white person is going to be an influencer for Japan/China ever.

>> No.10394183

>>10393521
You have to be famous enough that people might try to make fake accounts of you/your brand

>> No.10394198

>>10394183
This isn't really a good benchmark because there are/were plenty of impersonators on ig for kawaii influencers/egirls (ex: aru.rinh, anzujaamu) but they don't get the checkmark.

>> No.10394203

>>10394183
>>10394198
yeah, the checkmark is something you get if the SM site says you can have it.

>> No.10394222

>>10392926
>I wanna be an influencer!
For what. Like just to be a show pony and beg for free shit without actually contributing anything? Or do you have a professional/skill that's relevant to the community and would benefit others?

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>>10394177
FR seems to have had an influence on Japan at least, even before she modeled for MMM. Just as one example, Baby supposedly made their Cabriole Leg Pumps after she wore the similar Fluevog Elizabeths to a tea party and the designers liked them.

>> No.10394320

>>10393250
I like Misako. I can't watch Lor longer than thirty seconds before switching to something else.

>> No.10394325

>>10392926
Someone who does quality sewing would be nice. Think Bernadette Banner but with lolita. No idea if anyone would watch just kinda something I want to see.

>> No.10394342

>>10394325
Is like to see this too but are sewing influencers even really a thing? Afaik being an influencer is all about getting people to buy the same things as you. I can see a handmade lolita influencer repping the ONS books and maybe some cute Japanese fabric brands (who probably don't need the help) but not much beyond that. Sewing is probably too inaccessible for the greater lolita audience and lolita is definitely a very small niche within the greater sewing community.

>> No.10394343

>>10394342
>being an influencer is all about getting people to buy the same things as you.
yeah, it's pretty much becoming a paid advertiser online.

>> No.10394353

>>10393148
What even happened to Claire? Haven't seen her in ages

>> No.10394356

>>10393279
None of the oldschoolers have even a remotely large following though

>> No.10394367

>>10393725
Lolitas against cyberbullying and exploitation (lace) she started the group cuz someone on here overheard her taking a shit. It was glorious.

>> No.10394369

>>10394356
A cult following is much more intimate

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>>10394342
>Afaik being an influencer is all about getting people to buy the same things as you.
I see this as setting trends for pieces or item combinations. Like, for example, I can't tell if Milkyfawn has found this red top + HC combo, but I guess she's contributed to making it popular.

>> No.10394423

>>10393725
FR and k8 like to piss and moan online but they're not influencers kek

>> No.10394428

>>10394353
I follow her on IG. She's pretty much stopped wearing lolita again and has gotten into fucking "getting swole" shit for some reason?

>> No.10394430

>>10394353
I think she just sort of drifts in and out, she seems to have other stuff going on. Judging by her insta she hasn't worn lolita in a while, though.

>> No.10394431

>>10393196
I mean, >>10393176 is just describing what MK did.

>> No.10394504

>>10394431
MK?

>> No.10394506

>>10394504
MintKismet

>> No.10394508

>>10394506
I wouldn't call her an influencer though

>> No.10394509

>>10394506
Lmao anon should have chosen a different lolita

>> No.10394519

>>10394508
No one did. Read the chain of replies.

>> No.10394523

>>10394519
>Just go to Japan and butter up a bunch of designers with big stacks of Jew money. Anything can be influenced.

>> No.10394525

>>10394523
>Just go to Japan and butter up a bunch of designers
yeah, which is what she did
I guess you have to know more about her to get the joke but she's modeled for AP and models for RPA now

>> No.10394546

>>10394525
So she slathered them in heavy cream and fellated them? Do tell.

>> No.10394557

>>10394546
why it's so hilarious of you to take the phrase "butter up" literally.

>> No.10394563

>>10394367
What’s wrong with taking a shit?

>> No.10394567

>>10394563
A lot of people seem to get really immature about it.

>> No.10394581

>>10394428
Yeah I noticed this, it's really disheartening cause I loved her styling when she did wear lolita. I hope she sells her wardrobe, there's a bunch of items I want in it.

>> No.10394584

>>10394557
It's called networking

>> No.10394585

>>10394581
Same here. I started following her after seeing a bunch of gulls shit on her non stop.
I was really into her themed wardrobe. I'd like some stuff from it as well.

>> No.10394611

>>10394525
She modeled for AP in the states at a con like many other people...

>> No.10394617

>>10394611
I've modeled for AP too so hopefully I will become a brand model when I move to Japan UwU

>> No.10394634

>>10394617
Learn your Nihongo desu!

>> No.10394641

>>10394617
I don't have anything against her but seeing her billed as a "successful model in Japan" makes me cringe.

>> No.10394694

>>10394634
I know the Japanese already but thanks senpai!

>> No.10394859

>>10394313
by that logic, so does the girl who wore F&F to a tea party, that inspired their red x white card suits dress

>> No.10394862

>>10394641
Who said anything about her being successful. I just mentioned which brands shes modeled for.

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>>10394342
I guess she was legit sewing influencer back then, she did contribute into this trend for rococo themed coords. I can even tell people trying to recreate her outfits. But it was around 2010-2012, community wasn't swimming in variety of trends and outfits the way it does now.
My bet for being a sewing influencer these days is getting into fancy needlework like Moss Marchen or Voodooodolly, but that would be a lot LOT of work.

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Without revealing too much, part of the difficulty with becoming influencial in the Lolita community is that it is highly judgemental and very restrictive in who they are willing to accept.

Is the content produced entirely by women but the venture-capitol funding provider is a man? Nope. Rejected.

Will you refuse to accept sponsorships from Etsy shops / Tao Bao resellers without full disclosure? Rejected.

Do you want to just want to talk about Lolita fashion and not lean into identity politics? Absolutely out.

Bottom line is if you feel inspired to create content; do it. People will take it or leave it. But please, please don't start an account on any platform with the intention of either becoming lolita-famous or building a business around Lolita. If you already make things and are thinking of selling stuff on etsy; go ahead and try it. But don't start making things to then immediately try to sell things.

>> No.10396068

>>10394353
She’s moved on to other interests it seems. She talks about lolita but I don’t think she’ll wear it for a while. Like other anons mentioned, I too am lurking in hopes she’ll sell some of her wardrobe. But you guys already know she’ll sell them to her clout chaser friends before the likes of us lol

>> No.10396147

>>10394198
The blue check mark comes from being famous outside of social media. You have to be a movie star, sports person, etc. Or show up in mainstream news. You can be super famous on Instagram but as long as you're not a figure outside of social media, you're not getting the mark.

For Youtube, I think you have to have 100,000 subscribers or be very famous elsewhere. Youtube also has to approve of your content as good for the platform. So even if Lor had that many subscribers, I doubt she'd get verified due to YTs sensitivity about the fashion.

Most people who get check marks have agents or managers who do all the legwork for them. I think Milly Shapiro is the one of the only lolitas who has a check mark on instagram, but it's not because she's a lolita. Misako is also verified.