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Unpopular Opinions Anonymous Fri Nov 1 22:16:29 2019 No.10281836 [Reply] [Original]

You know the drill gulls, post em.

Anonymous Fri Nov 1 22:32:20 2019 No.10281840

>>10281836
I think lolitas who have bright hair (magenta, purple, bright blue, etc) look awful because 99% of the time their hair clashes with their coord. It also makes coord a look costumer. Toned down colors, pastels, or natural colors are the way to go.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 1 22:32:41 2019 No.10281841 >>10281836 Triple Fortune is worse than Taobao both quality and design-wise.

Anonymous Fri Nov 1 22:33:51 2019 No.10281842

It's not bad to be fat in lolita, but healthy ways to lose weight such as diet and exercise should be encouraged as much as possible to those who wanna lose weight and fit into dream dresses and whatnot.

I know this is a popular opinion in hugbox-y places but here there are tons of anachans and /fit/ bros calling anyone over 55kg at 5ft 5 fat.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 1 22:40:06 2019 No.10281845 Also, buying only sets makes it obvious that you can't coord for shit. A few sets is fine but if you only wear sets you're uncreative and your coords are cookie cutter at best

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 1 22:40:09 2019 No.10281846 >>10281842 Agreed but only because fatlitas always look awful since lolita accentuates their fatness and they stretch clothes out. Lolita looks better on thinner people whether you want to admit it or not.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 1 22:48:19 2019 No.10281852 >>10281836 I hate wigs. All wigs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 1 23:07:44 2019 No.10281864 I seriously can't enjoy a coord if the girl is fat or something it looks awful. Most of them just look bulky and awful. How can you afford all that shit and not be able to hit the gym or diet?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 1 23:09:05 2019 No.10281865 Why is the CoF thread filled with so many ugly fatty chans?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 1 23:12:01 2019 No.10281867 BSoLF is a cesspool of shitty advice, sissies, and sissy acceptance

Anonymous Fri Nov 1 23:14:39 2019 No.10281868

>>10281842
The reason is that lolita and a lot of j fashions aren't flattering if you're not thin. Think of all the poof and layers you wear in lolita. It makes you look bigger than you are. So while in normie fashion you might look fine, unless you're very short, you'll look fatter in most j fashions.

Anonymous Fri Nov 1 23:29:13 2019 No.10281878

I love jfashion but most of the western fanbase can't dress for in it shit and 99% of western indie jfashion brands looks like garbage. Terrible artwork from people that have had 0 artistic training on a*****w shirts that don't think about actual design, at all

the western jfashion scene is insufferable, which is a bummer because I love the clothes so much.
Will just keep being a lonelita/whatever the equivalent of lonelita is for general jfashion.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 1 23:49:40 2019 No.10281885 >>10281878 totally agree! on that note, I'm tired of seeing nothing but dollskill/thot/rave looks being passed off as yumekawaii/fairy kei as they're so far gone from the glory days of 2010-2013 fairy kei

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 1 23:58:35 2019 No.10281890 I have a fetish for sissy's and traps and I welcome them in lolita. This isn't trolling and it's not bait.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 00:15:38 2019 No.10281895 File: 12 KB, 399x388, FB_IMG_1550621607889.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10281890

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 00:56:47 2019 No.10281931 File: 9 KB, 262x263, d4b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10281890

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 01:55:20 2019 No.10281976

>>10281885
i don't mind those looks SOMETIMES but I think thats what people in the west think the entirety of jfashion is, these super OTT party looks, when no one in japan actually is dressing like that
Sick of mismatched decora kids that dont know anything about color theory and think they're hot shit because they've got 50 hairclips in their hair and some shitty ota-q dress on

call me elitist but if 90% of your closet isn't from japanese brands is it really j-fashion and not some weird bastardization of it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 02:10:04 2019 No.10281979 >>10281845 Ouch

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 02:21:09 2019 No.10281980

I think so many lolitas online take the fashion too seriously. The ones who concern themselves with how others choose to wear their clothes as if they are public property are really lame.

It just results in almost everyone putting out the same formulaic boring coords or being too scared to alter things to suit them. A dress only belongs to the person who owns it, they can do whatever they want with it. As long as they are honest when/if they sell who gives a fuck?

In a similar vein I don't care if someone only wears the fashion to cons and meets. People have different priorities. The lolitas who act all high and mighty about wearing it daily or being lifestyle lolitas just seem dull and sad. I get that the fashion and community has a significance to some people but at the end of the day clothes are just clothes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 02:40:41 2019 No.10281983 >>10281980 Hello, yes, normies? I'm here to defend you.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 05:12:22 2019 No.10282007

>>10281836
It's one thing to photoshop your cosplay photos to spruce up stray hairs, textured skin, unflattering lines, etc. but it's another to edit and entire costume onto your body and post it as if it were a finished product. It's like calling a closet cosplay a finished product.
Yes, this post is about someone in particular, just visit the cosplay tag on insta and you're sure to find them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 06:02:39 2019 No.10282019 >>10282007 Jesus fuck

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 06:34:22 2019 No.10282024 >>10282007 can you post an example pic lmao i cant imagine that would end up looking too well

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 06:57:26 2019 No.10282029 >>10282024 fegalvao, especially her Total Drama Island ones

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 06:57:29 2019 No.10282030 >>10282007 Mocking lolcow teir behavior isn't exactly an unpopular opinion just saying

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 06:58:58 2019 No.10282031 I have sex and drink beer in my lolita XD

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 08:52:13 2019 No.10282070 >>10281980 >People taking the fashion too seriously THIS!!! The worst is when people are too scared to wash things. I live in FL, it's hot all year. Wash your damn brand.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 09:04:28 2019 No.10282075 File: 932 KB, 500x281, freakout.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10282031 >beer Holy shit look at this fucking badass I can't belive you'd drink the devil's piss in your brand Mana forgive you bc you're going straight to ita hell

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 09:11:26 2019 No.10282078 >>10282031 >european_lolitas_laughing.mp3

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 09:20:32 2019 No.10282081 >>10282031 "XD", really?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 09:28:17 2019 No.10282084 Lolita shoes aren't that bad quality overall. Look at the shitty fast fashion shoes most girls wear. Lolita shoes are trash compared to GOOD quality normie shoes but they're similar to or better than the average normie shoe.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 09:45:30 2019 No.10282091

>>10281980
This. I hate to admit it, but I am very cookie cutter. The normies all around me don't realize this, however. Most seem to think I'm very unique or adorable, so ????

But the lolita internet culture makes me try to shove the basic rules down the throat of friends getting into the fashion to help them not have a severe ita phase. They resist so hard, which is baffling because I tell them how hard they'll get slammed online if they consider posting whatever they've concocted online.
I guess itas will ita, no matter how much you want to help guide and protect your friends.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 09:51:13 2019 No.10282095 >>10281852 Agree. Though I find it really interesting how wigs were a staple of the fashion for a moment and now most people hate them.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 09:54:11 2019 No.10282097

>>10282084
Yeah, I'd probably agree, it still tend to buy offbrand shoes for lolita though. Outside lolita i live in doc martens and newrocks which are built to last, so I kinda grudge paying a lot of money for something that won't withstand a bit of wear and tear, especially when i only wear lolita a couple time a month max

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 10:15:21 2019 No.10282107 >>10282097 Docs are middling quality at best with subpar leather. It bums me out that people don't know what a real buy it for life shoe looks and feels like these days. The industrial revolution killed so many artisanal skills.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 10:28:54 2019 No.10282112

>>10282107
They're still going to last way longer than most shoes though, I've got a pair of docs that are ten years old, and apart from scuffs, have no damage at all.
Don't get me wrong though, new docs dont have the same life in them as the older ones which is a shame

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 10:34:05 2019 No.10282114 >>10282112 >>10282107 Quick rec for people who like docs, try Solovair. Made in the original factory in the UK where docs used to be made to their original standards using their original machines.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 10:54:52 2019 No.10282117 >>10282114 Oh damn, I've not heard of them, thanks for the rec!

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 11:08:25 2019 No.10282123 >>10281840 This. I’ve been growing mine out for two years and it looks so much better with my coords.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 11:10:32 2019 No.10282125 >>10281852 I only love them if they’re really OTT hime style, and anything casual just...looks like a wig when it’s intended to look natural.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 11:39:20 2019 No.10282142 >>10281852 I prefer them for ott, but i pretty much always have to wear wigs with lolita because i have short-short hair and berets get boring pretty fast

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 11:48:36 2019 No.10282144 >>10281845 I don't wear lolita to feel creative. I wear it because I want to cover myself head to toe in cute shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 12:26:58 2019 No.10282167 >>10281852 This hasn't been an unpopular opinion for at least 4 years.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 12:40:13 2019 No.10282177 >>10281890 Perish.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 12:44:07 2019 No.10282181
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I don't dislike oldschool but I feel like having oldschool elements in a genuinely bad coord nowadays somehow blinds people to its badness. I can't seem to understand why pic related was defended when it was posted

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 13:11:20 2019 No.10282194 >>10282181 I think any coord that's really polarizing like this one has to have something going for it, almost by default. And that makes me think it's basically a success, in a certain way. There's definitely something about it that's interesting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 13:19:41 2019 No.10282198 >>10282194 Well, I guess that's what this thread is for anyway. I just don't know how anyone can see the normie boots and bizarre checkered red polo shirt and think "ah yes, this reads as lolita"

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 13:39:22 2019 No.10282207 >>10282181 This look like casual country lolita to me?

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 13:42:39 2019 No.10282208

>>10281868
I actually disagree with this, to an extent. If you wear well fitting clothes, even if you're a bit chubby, the layering can make you seem thinner because you're wearing more. it's like how chubby girls wear a big sweater and you can't really tell if they're chubby or if its just the sweater. If you also wear form fitting clothing, then it can make you appear thinner too. I've noticed a lot of my a-line dresses make me look thinner in general. That being said i do agree to an extent if the person has boobs. Lolita makes people with bigger boobs look fat even if they're a normally skinny or average girl with a chest.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 13:50:13 2019 No.10282212

>>10281867
not opinion, just fact.
>>10281878
I've noticed that theres a decent amount of western lolitas who dress well, but when it comes to stuff like yumekawaii mori gyaru or other jfashions people are just horrible and bastardize it. I feel like westerners need to be handheld to figure things out or really desperately want to break rules to be unique, to the point that the fashion doesn't resemble the fashion anymore. The only real reason lolita seems to resemble lolita in the west after all these years, to me, is the elitism, constant guides, and online community. It's a necessary evil. When I imagine what lolita would be like in the west if there were no rules and people encouraged people to be "special and unique" it honestly scares me. thank god for bitches.
>>10281980
to go with my last point, this mentality shouldn't be coddled. It's the exact mentality that ruined "fairy kei" and turned it into edgy american shit. Keep taking your hobby seriously, guys, keep gatekeeping people. Forever.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 14:08:13 2019 No.10282222 >>10282212 I think it's much more simple than that. Lolitas invest in their wardrobe, whereas with gyaru, mori, yumekawa and other styles they try to do it clothing they already owned, found in their own city, or from aliexpress.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 14:15:06 2019 No.10282225 Any lolita who judges others for not worshiping/being obsessed with brand absolutely grew up in a comfortably middle/upper class family. No one who has ever been poor would judge people for such dumb shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 14:16:40 2019 No.10282226 >>10282225 buying expensive brand name things you can't afford to flex on others is a poor thing though?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 14:34:03 2019 No.10282229 >>10281836 Wearing socks over tights is dumb as shit if it's done for aesthetics. I give a pass to people wearing flesh-toned tights that aren't visible if it's done for medical reasons or warmth.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 15:22:46 2019 No.10282250

>>10281842
This is absolutely not a popular opinion in hugbox-y places. It's all about body positivity and even implying you're not 100% happy and in love with your body at this precise moment isn't "bodyposi" enough. Most hugboxes require trigger warnings for any mention of weight loss.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 15:26:13 2019 No.10282254

>>10281836
Mods/janis on this board should be more active. The influx of retarded newfags who can't use the catalog and/or think they're special enough for their own thread is getting out of hand. The cosplay help and stupid questions threads should be pinned and the board rules are in desperate need of being updated.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 15:26:44 2019 No.10282255 >>10281845 Eh, at least it doesn't take me more than 45 minutes to get ready

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 15:27:46 2019 No.10282256 >>10281865 Because all of the lurkers are also fatty would be itas

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 15:29:53 2019 No.10282259

>>10281976
>call me elitist but if 90% of your closet isn't from japanese brands is it really j-fashion and not some weird bastardization of it?
Strongly agree, and it's sad and says a lot about the state of western jfash that this is an unpopular opinion. So many of these types scream about cultural appropriation and then just go ahead and create their own "jfashion brand" or their own "kei." Fucking embarrassing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 15:35:17 2019 No.10282261 >>10282254 Hard agree. We've been raided to shit recently too, and even reporting isn't getting all the off topic bullshit deleted.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 15:39:40 2019 No.10282263 >>10282255 bitch do you not plan your coords the night before???

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 15:43:23 2019 No.10282265

I've got a confession. I understand that's strange/weird and all that, but here me out here. I mean, I believe this is a matter of fact than opinion. And here I'm objective. This is known to very few individuals on this board, but I have known this for a long time. After this thread was created, I thought this for a moment. It leads me to this conclusion only then: /cgl/ a shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 16:08:29 2019 No.10282277 >>10282225 I am poor currently and I wrote >>10282222.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 16:17:13 2019 No.10282282 >>10282265 Most people think this but there aren't many other places we can talk anonymously. I go to a few anon memes but cgl is the worst.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 16:41:36 2019 No.10282290 >>10281980 >It just results in almost everyone putting out the same formulaic boring coords What. People still swing and miss all the time, just look at CoF, it's so bad these days.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 16:42:46 2019 No.10282291

Samefag, but in the same vein, I love 'basic bitch' coordinates, particularly classic ones. They look comfortable and effortless. I also feel like people bitching about these coordinates are con lolitas who never tried wearing a lolita coord through a day of doing errands and activities.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 17:20:31 2019 No.10282300

>>10281976
>if 90% of your closet isn't from japanese brands is it really j-fashion
Hard agree. It’s crazy that this is an unpopular opinion.
>>10282181
We get it, you hate her coord. You don’t have to post this here and in every ita thread. I personally find it cute in a kitschy way but it’d be better if the lace on the skirt wasn’t so shitty. I wouldn’t call it lolita though.

>>10282291
This. I genuinely like toned down classic coords that sit on the border between lolita and vintage like Fanny Rose’s coords. It looks elegant and just dressy enough that it’s clear that you put effort into your look.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 17:49:01 2019 No.10282317 >>10282144 This. I think fashion is only truly creative when you're the person creating it. If anything else we're all just models. And some are better at modeling than others.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 17:51:40 2019 No.10282319 >>10281864 That's not an unpopular opinion on this board stupid

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 17:57:49 2019 No.10282320 >>10282091 >They resist so hard Yea because people don't care for that. I can't believe you find this baffling. It's common for people to not enjoy being bossed around.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 17:59:32 2019 No.10282321 >>10282081 That's how you know it's a troll.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 18:03:00 2019 No.10282323 >>10282181 Posting an example like this just comes off like you're upset that other people didn't hate it like you do. Your opinion is subjective and not everyone is going to feel the same way you do about a specific coord. Get used to it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 18:07:44 2019 No.10282327 >>10282263 >taking a whole day to figure out what to wear

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 18:24:50 2019 No.10282339

>>10282222
I agree with you, but i think that could also stem from the lack of direction. Lolitas do encourage second hand shopping, but never for main pieces. if someone said they got a second hand off brand main piece from a second hand store and had no intention of modifying it, i'd assume they were ita, and i would tell them that. Whereas in other fashions, that behavior isn't necessarily encouraged, but it isn't condemned either. Same with buying pieces from ali.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 19:14:37 2019 No.10282354 >>10281845 I see nothing wrong with this, I wear lolita because I think it's cute, not because I want to be unique or creative.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 19:20:53 2019 No.10282357 >>10282181 Are you the anon who keeps posting this in all the ita threads?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 19:56:52 2019 No.10282367 >>10282327 nah I just like to be organized and on time for meetups

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 20:22:23 2019 No.10282378 >>10282030 Fair enough, but it feels like it when said cosplayers are making the discover page with every ""cosplay'" and an insane amount of likes/engagement

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 20:28:36 2019 No.10282384
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>>10282019
I perhaps should have been a little less buttmad when writing this post, apologies.I do come off like a salty cow.

>>10282024
She posted the side-by-side

>>10282029
I wasn't thinking of her when I made the post, but you're absolutely right. It's a common trend with instagram cosplayers. Too common.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 20:30:34 2019 No.10282387
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>>10282254
I'm so tired of seeing 5-6 posts for a single question. At the very least a "look through the catalog to find the right question thread" should be in the sticky

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 20:33:20 2019 No.10282388

>>10282263
>>10282367
It's fine that you want to be organised, but some people aren't organised and don't enjoy it at all. Maybe they have other qualities that you don't have. Idk I find it weird that you assumed everyone is so into planning as you are.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 20:33:53 2019 No.10282390

>>10281976
>is it really j-fashion and not some weird bastardization of it
Things don't have to be made in Japan to fit the aesthetic though. Like indie lolita brand dresses fit the lolita aesthetic just as much as Japanese brands. They just tend to be lower quality.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 20:37:40 2019 No.10282394 Lolitas should be more brave with incorporating more non-lolita j-fashion brands into their closets. It's much more fun to coord this way instead of desperately clinging to the lolita label.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 20:46:42 2019 No.10282405 >>10282394 I agree. I love incorporating thrifted finds into my wardrobe and looking for loliable blouses and accessories is really fun.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 20:58:18 2019 No.10282409
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>>10282384
The shoop isn’t even good and it’s super obvious. I can’t believe I’m saying this but even those “FiRsT!!!!!” cosplayers that at least made a really shitty costume are better than this.

>>10282394
Depends on the brand and item. Lolita with normie brands incorporated can either look really cute or like a hot mess. Ted Baker, Samantha Vega, and other super feminine brands look cute with lolita. Old style Kate Spade was so cute and had loliable pieces but the brand is an ugly disaster now that they switched head designers.
>pic related, one of the best normie brand purses ever made.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 21:15:43 2019 No.10282413 >>10282409 Thank you. How hard is it to find a fucking basic t-shirt instead of a button down? She couldn't even be assed to fold under both collar pieces - just one!! The lack of effort here is astounding.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 21:45:13 2019 No.10282423

>>10282394
I agree with this. Jfash and general alt fashion brands often put out stuff that can coord really well. Mixing lolita main pieces with cheapo fast fashion trash usually looks bad because of the stark difference in quality but even mid tier normie brands can look good when they put our certain pieces.

I feel like the purist types who only wear lolita 'approved' things are the kinds of people who just don't have an eye for putting outfits together. They need an exact formula to be able to dress themselves. Outfits that veer away from the lolita label can still be good outfits and people shouldn't act so afraid to wear and post them. Personally I found myself loving my closet way more when I started incorporating different things and buying/wearing more versatile pieces that could be worn outside of lolita.

>>10282409
>Kate Spade

This bag is cute but does anyone remember that one anon who kept shilling their ugliest shit because she worked there? This just reminded me.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 21:53:33 2019 No.10282429

>>10282388
Because planning out clothes is so hard. You must be a disaster
>>10282394
Loliable isn't a real thing. It's a made up thing by poorfags. You can wear non lolita stuff with your dresses, but it's not lolita. Otherwise how is it lolita if you're not wearing lolita.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 22:32:04 2019 No.10282452

>>10282394
You still can find stuff occasionally at thrift stores, but it's rare. It use to be a lot more common, but I don't think the rarity is... any effort to cling to a label? Use to, you could, as far as lolita went, find cute blouses, shoes, and even the occasional cutsew in stores back during the mid-2000's. The same went for gyaru; you could find plenty of skirts, sandals, off-shoulder tops, and the ilk. I think what happened is leggings. In the U.S. especially, everyone wears leggings, and you can't really pair much with leggings outside a t-shirt, sweatshirt, or tank top. Western clothing brands just kind of stopped making clothing that worked with cutesy styles.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 22:44:33 2019 No.10282469 >>10282263 I don't lol I just pick a dress/skirt to wear and then grab socks/shoes/hairbow/purse that match in the morning, cardigan/bolero if it's cold I'm also a daily lolita though so I don't plan super elaborate coords or anything.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 22:48:01 2019 No.10282473

>>10282339
What the fuck are you talking about? Lolitas consistently encourage buying secondhand main pieces. That's pretty much the entire concept of a dream dress--one that you have to hunt down. How do you think people do wear old school or OTT sweet? Wearing secondhand brand doesn't make you an ita at all. Ita is about how you wear clothes, not where the clothes come from.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 22:53:26 2019 No.10282476 >>10282429 How exactly do you define lolita? Is something that perfectly fits the aesthetic of lolita not lolita unless it's manufactured by a Japanese lolita brand?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 22:54:23 2019 No.10282477 >>10282473 Nta but I'm guessing by secondhand shopping they meant thrifting. Lolitas obviously do buy secondhand but we buy it either directly from other lolitas through our specialised sales groups, marketplaces and physical stores.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 23:24:37 2019 No.10282500 >>10282357 I'm really not, but it's futile to say that on an anonymous board.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 23:28:20 2019 No.10282504

>>10282423
>that one anon who kept shilling their ugliest shit because she worked there
Yeah I remember that lmfao. She kept acting like it was a Sooper Speshul Job and like she had insider knowledge. I wonder if she still thinks she's special for working a basic retail job that anyone can get just by applying.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 01:12:25 2019 No.10282539

>>10281976
>>10282259
>>10282300
I'm the opposite. It's crazy to me that people think this way. There are many indie brands and taobao brands that have quality, and what about people who sew their own stuff? The fashion has evolved outside of it's tiny Japanese scope. Look at how many Chinese buy lolita. Of course brand names always carry important lolita history and should be honoured, but that doesn't mean anything outside of it is automatically garbage.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 01:12:29 2019 No.10282554 >>10282540 Krad Lanrete

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 01:19:35 2019 No.10282540 >>10282539 different anon, but I just haven't seen anything from a taobao brand that I like and that looks high quality. Even the prints just kinda look like deviantART quality drawings. I'm happy to be proven wrong.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 01:46:27 2019 No.10282544
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>>10282540
I mean personally I agree to a certain extent that a lot of prints can be grainy and crummy, but brands like sibyl heisei have released some very nice solids. I own a couple pieces from them and although it's not brand quality persay, it's definitely better than bodyline and some other indie brands. Pic related is quite nice.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 01:51:21 2019 No.10282563 >>10282539 nayrt but that’s exactly what it means.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 01:58:07 2019 No.10282567 >>10281841 Don't they use hot glue on their expensive ass bonnets?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 02:15:07 2019 No.10282570 >>10282567 Yeah they do. On the decorations iirc. A girl in my comm was complaining about it.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 03:04:59 2019 No.10282575

>>10282567
Can confirm, only the decorations are hot glued though. Honestly due to the construction of the bonnet it would be a bit hard to sew those flowers on instead since it would have to be sewn once the pleated interior is prepared but would have to avoid puncturing the back of the bonnet. It's much harder than it sounds and wouldn't provide a more reliable hold in this case. From a manufacturing/professionalism point of view, considering their price and the time and effort it would take to put together one of these bonnets, this IS an acceptable use for hot glue.

The problem comes when whoever is doing their gluing leaves strings all over the bonnet. That's unacceptable finishing, it only takes a few seconds to remove hot glue strings and to lift and cut any visible glue with an xacto blade. Personally, I think they should retrain whoever is doing it and issue partial refunds to people who recieve stringy bonnets and complain.

Also, the base of the bonnet that rests on the head has some very obvious serged seams. It doesn't mean that these will ever be visible or that their bonnets are poorly constructed, if anything it's due to that that I can see how solidly my two are made. There are no hanging threads or anything. But still, they should consider putting a strip of fabric over the base, or maybe cover the serged edges with bias tape so they look cleaner.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 03:52:20 2019 No.10282580

>>10282452
I think it was rare in the early 2000s to find stuff because it was all double denim/grunge/90s shit that had been donated and 90s was pretty far away from lolita. But as boho, ruffles and lace trim became things as well as victorian-influenced clothing in the mid 2000s it definitely started being easier to find items that worked with lolita.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 03:58:04 2019 No.10282583

>>10282225
Partial disagree. I grew up being very poor and I mean this kind of poor where you don´t have food for several days, otherwise minimal food, living without electricity and washing mashine because parents couldn´t pay bills, blah, blah.
However, I judge people in Lolita very harshly because it is about the overal look.
Firstly you shouldn´t do an expensive thing like Lolita if you do not have the funds to do it right. Most of the common japanese brands do have a better quality than the major group of chinese and other indie brands. This counts at least for clothing. Let´s be honest, accessories like jewelry, shoes and bags are shitier from Lolita brands, I prefer buying that stuff from more quality (non-Lolita) brands.

Bragging about that you can do nice Lolita without the so expensive burando is as bad as the ones who claim being a brandwhore is the ultimate goal. This behaviour shows that you are an immature person with a low self-esteem who doesn´t know a shit.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 04:05:18 2019 No.10282585

>>10282229
I always wear flesh-toned tights under ankle socks, sometimes under OTK too for aesthetics because I have a lot of visible veins and they also can help for body forming. Seeing people wearing colourful tights AND socks makes me cringe inside. It´s the same with wearing wristcuffs and scrunchies on your ankles, it just looks silly to me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 04:52:13 2019 No.10282591 >>10282254 Thirding this, really sick of the dumbasses coming here with one easy as fuck question that could have been solved by googling it but no they have to make an entire thread for it.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 05:37:05 2019 No.10282596
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I love looking-up cosplay photos of female characters that have completely hidden faces like Spider-Gwen because of how funny it is to me that about 50% or more of the pics the mask is completely off, but with masked male characters 80% or more of the pics have the mask on.

But also, cosplay isn't about attention-whoring.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 06:01:40 2019 No.10282605 >>10282031 Oh, you think you're badass? Well I'll have you know I've done class A drugs in lolita, AND had sex, so I am more of a 100% certified badass than you. Go back to weenie hut jr, kiddo.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 07:40:39 2019 No.10282626
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>>10281836
There is literally nothing wrong with sexy cosplays. If you have the confidence to show off your body and you want to do so, then by all means do it and have fun.
>>10281842
Good post. Losing weight (if you are overweight) and being fit should be encouraged.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 11:36:10 2019 No.10282693 >>10282477 >>10282473 Yeah i did mean thrifting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 11:50:15 2019 No.10282702 >>10282429 It's not about whether planning is objectively hard or not, some people just don't like planning or aren't good at it, so why would they ruin their hobby with that behaviour

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 11:51:26 2019 No.10282703 >>10281841 Aren't the designers a bit creepy too?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 11:54:16 2019 No.10282704 >>10282539 I don't think non-Japanese brands are garbage. I think jfashion brands (aka Japanese fashion brands) are Japanese brands and not Chinese brands. You can have a Chinese lolita brand but not a Chinese J-fashion brand.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 12:11:42 2019 No.10282714 I think tea party shoes look as awful and unflattering as any normie flats.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 12:12:50 2019 No.10282715 >>10282702 Goddamn itas

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 12:50:59 2019 No.10282739 >>10282714 that seems to be a relatively popular opinion here. even a low heel looks good compared to most tea parties desu

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 13:03:13 2019 No.10282752
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I´ve read Nabokov´s book and kinda liked it in a literary way (there was a reason it was a bestseller). I also think most Lolitas who go aggressive against this book have never read it otherwise they would talk differently. This goes for all normies too who think Nabokov´s Lolita is a nymphette or whatever you might see in her.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 13:33:10 2019 No.10282763 >>10282752 >I also think most Lolitas who go aggressive against this book have never read it otherwise they would talk differently Nah most people just don't want to be associated with the subject matter

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 14:11:44 2019 No.10282771

>>10282752
In a literary sense it’s a great book, but lolitas as a whole still don’t appreciate being associated with it due to the negative connotations, which stem less so from the book itself, and moreso from the horrible misinterpretation of the book by readers.
So many people still paint the relationship between Dolores and Humbert as a romance story founded on Dolores “seducing” him, completely ignoring the fact that she’s a very young child, and I think that is largely why people are misinformed into thinking the fashion is intended to be provocative. In their mind they think the book is this pedophilia romance story, and they project that onto us.
> sage for blogpost

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 14:23:52 2019 No.10282777 Peeking bloomers with modern lolita always look like little Bo Peep costume, it's only suitable for oldschool

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 14:36:00 2019 No.10282785 >>10281885 dollskill is shit from every ugly piece of clothing to the way they run their ugly brand. how all the jfashion kawaii sjws continue to support them is beyond me, but its ok bc their clothes are soo unique & kawaiiiiii!!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 14:36:42 2019 No.10282787 >>10282583 I have a really hard time believing that someone who grew up in poverty thinks it's reasonable for used dresses to cost hundreds of dollars and judge others for disagreeing...

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 14:49:43 2019 No.10282791 >>10282752 It's an incredible book and got completely bastardized by the movie. It's so ahead of its time as an exploration of victim-blaming pedophilic mindset.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 14:51:06 2019 No.10282792 >>10282787 secondhand brand is a thing you can frequently get them for $50-$100

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 14:51:45 2019 No.10282793 >>10282384 this girl is shit at cosplay & looks shit in lolita we get it im tired of seeing her face all over instagram & /cgl/

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 14:53:40 2019 No.10282795

>>10282763
>>10282771
But it IS associated whether you like it or not. Japanese people have always known exactly what "lolita" refers to, that's why they coined "lolicon" too. It's an unfortunate choice of naming but it is related, even Misako confirmed this in her book.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 14:54:45 2019 No.10282797 >>10282792 Not if you're a sweet who likes any decent prints.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:00:26 2019 No.10282799

>>10282771
Most of the misinformations comes from the movies. While I liked both movies in their own way, they both don´t reflect the book very well. It´s the same phenomena like the Harry Potter books vs. movies.
Especially the 90´s movie gave the impression Lolita is a seducer. And since most people have such a short memory they only can remember the erotic scenes.
It just annoys me to see the rant online from Lolitas who go on a witch hunt about this book. They apear uneducated to me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:02:42 2019 No.10282800 >>10282795 Lolicon was just an old name for shoujo and other movies about cute girls. It became sexually associated much later

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:04:01 2019 No.10282801 >>10282795 https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/younker/files/lolita_-_dreaming_despairing_defying.pdf This will always be my favourite take on it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:04:34 2019 No.10282802 >>10282797 that doesn't matter, the point is you can still be a brandwhore if you're poor

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:04:40 2019 No.10282803

>>10282787
I was a homeless child, lived in a tent at one point, and I think it's reasonable. Not everyone who grew up in poverty will blame other people for their poverty... To think otherwise, is a fault the person in question must overcome before they can succeed. I wouldn't fault someone for ever being unable to afford a fashion style, no. However, I won't sympathize with someone seeking to make it out that the price point would make those involved some sort of devil.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:06:54 2019 No.10282805 >>10282793 I'm really indulging in salt here to say, but she now has a sponsor from a fucking glitter brand aka the worst feature of all her costumes that people far and wide on here agree ruins a majority of her costumes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:07:56 2019 No.10282807 >>10282805 Not that they were stunning without the glitter or anything, but I genuinely don't understand how a person can get such a big following while producing low quality content.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:11:46 2019 No.10282811

>>10282787
I´ve never said that I defend the prices for japanese brands and btw. chinese brands can cost equal sometimes. I just defend that the japanese items are better quality, they put in more thought into the design, detail and product itself. You can see and feel it. I have to admit that I don´t like this polyester trend which is going on for the last years though.
And the reason that used dresses go for high prices is that there are idiots which pay that. I have a settled limit what I want to spend on a dress for example and even a dream dress has it´s price limits for me. If I don´t get it for the price I think it´s acceptable I just wait. Like this year I got a dream dress which came out 2012. At the release I didn´t wanted to shell out that much and now I got it as a set for the 1/3 of the original new price. I judge people for what I think is bad taste and laziness. Like this anon said >>10282792
it is so easy to get cheap high quality brand this days, everything else are just lazy excuses to me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:24:30 2019 No.10282822 99% of lolitas are fucking obnoxious and I wish they had a separate board.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:25:33 2019 No.10282824 >>10282822 *separate from cosplay.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:27:23 2019 No.10282825

>>10282405
>>10282409
>>10282423
>>10282452
Gulls I was talking about non-lolita j-fashion brands, not thifting or western normie brands even though I think the last one is pretty nice too.

>>10282429
Your posts are really recognizable, keep it down a bit with the salt.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:30:44 2019 No.10282826 >>10282822 Agreed Anon, cosfags annoy us too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:32:50 2019 No.10282827 >>10282752 I like the book in a literary way too, but I’ll still go after it because I don’t want people to think my fashion choices have anything to do with it. It’s hard enough already

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:34:58 2019 No.10282828 >>10282795 Misako didn’t name the fashion.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:37:40 2019 No.10282831 >>10282822 this desu fat, whiny, vapid cunts

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:40:56 2019 No.10282835

>>10282828
No, random Japanese girls did, and they knew exactly what it meant.

>>10282800
Exactly, Japanese people knew the original meaning is "cute little girl." Which makes sense that they named the fashion after that, as it looks like Victorian children/teen clothing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:41:30 2019 No.10282836 >>10282822 okay, then leave

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:42:20 2019 No.10282837 >>10282822 I've seen people on here saying that a long time lolita had its own separate board for a while, what happened to that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:42:58 2019 No.10282838 >>10282800 >Lolicon It was Lolicom. Short for "Lolita Complex"

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:45:08 2019 No.10282841

>>10282825
Really? Because this is my second post. Stay on topic.
>>10282835
I agree, at the time the fashion was named the movie was super popular. It's a fashion about being cute. All cutesy j fashions are about being childlike. It's up to the person to think it's a bad or sexual thing.
Personally I like looking cute and younger. I don't care about the name being lolita. If other people want to sexualize kids, that's their problem.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 15:55:25 2019 No.10282848 I prefer seeing coords of really nice handmade to seeing complete sets from whichever brand. It’s just nice to see something new once in a while.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 16:01:16 2019 No.10282849 >>10282841 The fashion was named lolita in the 80s, long before the 1996 movie and long after the 60s one

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 16:39:13 2019 No.10282868 >>10282785 How jfashion sjws support dollskill is a mystery to me too bc they've done enough stuff to get "yikes cancelled uwu", like the goth is white shirt and art theft

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 16:40:35 2019 No.10282869

>>10282825
Oh. I missed that. Whoops. I might if it was more accessible, but I guess it's just so easy to stick with the well-known brands. I know if I ever went to Japan, hell to the fuck yeah I'd check out their department stores instead of just hitting up well-known retailers like Galaxxxy or Listen Flavor.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 16:43:01 2019 No.10282871 >>10282869 Also... I am aware those places don't sell lolita. I just used personal examples.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 17:06:05 2019 No.10282885

>>10282835
>No, random Japanese girls did, and they knew exactly what it meant.
Wasn't the name coined by a magazine? The people who wore the fashion didn't name it. And the association is still sketchy to me because the fashion doesn't resemble the literature aesthetically or in practice.
At this point it's just an unfortunate homonym, regardless of how the name came to be.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 17:11:15 2019 No.10282887
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>>10282835
>Victorian children/teen clothing.
Victorian children literally just wore smaller versions of what adults wore, try again

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 17:34:49 2019 No.10282893 File: 297 KB, 850x1150, 0d70aaf805299667ac64e0f8aded2be7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10282887 Alice in Wonderland's original illustrations, anyone? This is literally the lolita aesthetic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 17:36:26 2019 No.10282895 >>10282885 It's very similar to oldey time little girls clothes, ie Alice. So whomever coined the name absolutely meant it to reflect little girls old style clothes.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 17:44:52 2019 No.10282896

>>10282895
I think it's a bit of a misunderstanding.
People thought 'lolita = cute young girl, western-sounding name' and hadn't actually read the book so didn't know what it was about.
There are many reports from people who live in Japan that Japanese lolitas were (are?) unfamiliar with the novel and disgusted when they learn about it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 17:58:53 2019 No.10282899 File: 315 KB, 600x440, Fashion_plate_1839b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10282893 >this is the aesthetic Yeah fuck the florals, the capelets, the punk shoes, the bonnets, and the corset lacing, all original lolitas looked like alice.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 18:02:28 2019 No.10282900

>>10282895
"The Victorian era was an interesting time for boys and girls fashion. Victorian children’s clothing for middle and upper classes were smaller versions of adult clothing with shorter hemlines and sturdier materials. Poor children wore simplified hand me down versions of outdated rich kids clothing."
https://vintagedancer.com/victorian/victorian-childrens-clothing-and-fashion/

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 18:04:59 2019 No.10282901 >>10282893 But what about the prominent punk rock aspect of the fashion? Are we all just collectively going to pretend it didn't exist?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 18:27:48 2019 No.10282907 >>10282901 Actually first lolitas were only goth and took inspiration from 80s goth scene as it was quite popular back then. It was a mixture of gothic punk and visual kei

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 18:39:21 2019 No.10282909 >>10282907 I didn't disagree with that friendo

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 19:01:27 2019 No.10282926 >>10282868 People seems to have a special set of blinders specifically for when dollskill fucks up. I’ve also heard that working for them sucks and that their corporate level employees barely make above minimum wage.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 19:09:35 2019 No.10282931 File: 12 KB, 341x321, ECR5q7LX4AEpIml.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Cons should only allow people 18 and older. Retarded kids and their parents need to piss off

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 19:13:11 2019 No.10282932 Western indie weeb designers all have ugly clothes and will probably never be on the same level as japanese indie designers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 19:32:07 2019 No.10282940 >>10282932 This is esp true for lolita. Brands like spooky sparkle party just look ugly and ita to me

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 19:37:11 2019 No.10282945 >>10281840 >unpopular

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 19:40:37 2019 No.10282950 >>10282932 this especially with brands like omocat and ATS the shit they churn out is either ugly or tacky lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 20:05:49 2019 No.10282964 >>10282932 >>10282940 Spooky Sparkle Party and other regretsy stuff doesn't represent all western indie though. Stuff like Mossbadger and IDD is on par with brand if not better quality imo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 20:08:10 2019 No.10282966 >>10282907 >first lolitas Were more like quirky weird fans of the Nagomu music label and Jun Togawa who started to shorten their Pink House skirts. But the goths very quickly drowned those out.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 20:09:32 2019 No.10282967 >>10282837 If you're talking about Crystal Cafe, no one fucking used it. Idk if it's even alive but last time I checked it was just femcels.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 20:15:13 2019 No.10282970

>>10282703
No, they're quite nice. Some people find their shtick weird and because a lot of people dig their "visual kei prince" aesthetic they often raffle kabedon pics at events. But no one is forced into those, I won one at an event and turned it down because I'm married and I felt weird. They were very respectful and kind about it, they let me give it to another girl and had a nice conversation with me through their translator about travel and lolita events. I'm not into their brand or aesthetic, but I do think they are nice people who are genuinely enthusiastic about the fashion and about travelling.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 20:29:52 2019 No.10282975 >>10282967 No, I heard that once upon a time, cosplay and egl were separated to their own boards here on 4ch, then later put back into one

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 20:31:06 2019 No.10282977 >>10282899 Alice provided the general silhouette that all lolita abides by, yes. And she is a Victorian child dressed in the child clothes of the time.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 20:49:19 2019 No.10282985 [DELETED]

>>10281836
I believe some kikes or ultra sjw tumblarinas are here to oppose anything slightly smelling of malepost to start some shit with u and get u banned for off topic when ur talking about the board or things that affect the board or it's people, or just putting that tumbltina in her place

must thank al the gulls who just take other opinions in a mature way, that's what I'm looking for

oh and stop hating males, and males stop hating females, is what (((they))) want u to do

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 21:01:23 2019 No.10282992 >>10282975 I've been here since 2008 off and on and I've never heard anyone say that and offer any actual evidence.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 21:28:28 2019 No.10283002 >>10281836 Lolitas were a mistake and AT MOST deserve a thread on /fa/.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 21:35:02 2019 No.10283012

>>10282469
Same here. People who plan elaborate coords and only go to meetups seem like they’re wearing costumes. It’s a fashion, just wear it without adding antler ears and three shawls or whatever stupid stuff people wear with dumb meetup costume/coords. Basic coords are actually wearable as fashion if you’re a lifestyle who wears it every day

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 21:46:29 2019 No.10283026

>>10283012
Can we just stop with the ~~lifestyler~~ superiority complex already? Some people either can't or don't feel like wearing lolita every day, prefer wearing OTT to basic coords, or only feel like wearing it to meetups and cons. Looking down on any of those people isn't an unpopular opinion and is frankly the reason why people think lolitas take the fashion way too seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 21:49:02 2019 No.10283028 >>10282263 Do people not realize planning your outfit the night before is normal even with normie clothes? It doesn't have to take a long time

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 21:58:23 2019 No.10283031 >>10282977 Arguing with you is like arguing with a stick on the sidewalk. Keep finding weird satisfaction in wearing "children's clothes" you creepy ageplayer

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 22:00:57 2019 No.10283034 >>10283002 I'd rather not share a board with ana-chan men who think black jeans and logo t-shirts are the pinnacle of fashion

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 22:03:32 2019 No.10283037

>>10283026
I’m not looking down on people who don’t wear it everyday. But people who wear it every day tend to treat it like the fashion it is and not as a costume. I look down on people who make it look like a ridiculous costume. They’re just clothes. Wear them like clothes. I also agree with the gull who said she wished more people wore other j-fashion stuff with their lolita.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 22:17:26 2019 No.10283040 >>10283031 This is a really weird projection, anon. I'm merely giving context to why it's related to the word "lolita" which is associated with a young girl. Sorry about your issues

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 22:19:08 2019 No.10283041 Using cosplay as an excuse to thot out is perfectly valid, but you have to own up to it.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 22:53:37 2019 No.10283057

>>10282835
Eh... That's not what the word means except in modern vernacular. To anyone picking up the book back when it was first published, they would've instantly assumed that the book was about a woman named Dolores; equally, they would've instantly assumed a book named 'Dick' was about a man named Harry. We came to associate the word with pedophilia because people stopped naming their kids Dolores. If you look at birth records, you can even find people named Lolita prior to and after the book's publication.

Honestly... look how 'menhera' came out of the word 'mental healther'; an archaic term that was once used in the 70's for what we now call psychologists and psychiatrists. No one in any English speaking country uses that word, but it found its way into Japanese culture.

Lolita was likely the same. In the 80's, someone likely just thought it was a nice nickname for a young lady, and that it likely sounded highly Western given the 'L' repetition... It's also old fashion. It likely just seemed like a good name for what resembled fancy dresses that looked distinctly European.

Damn...the book has always been notoriously hard to get ahold of, and that's why most haven't read it. It's only with the invention of the internet that most could even get their hands on it considering its a banned book in the U.S. and many other countries. Most book stores have never stocked it.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 22:53:55 2019 No.10283058

>>10282931
This, anime, cosplay, and any related art have never been family friendly. The vast majority isn't age appropriate for the age ranges of children that you see at conventions and it's a fucking crime that parents expose their children to such a loud, noisy, and infectious environment. They're willingly giving their kids con plague. Also no one is there to regulate the behavior or teens below 18 who cause the most public disturbances.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 22:55:51 2019 No.10283060 >>10283041 Making excuses for why you're not """really""" thotsplaying just furthers an environment where any woman cosplaying is expected to have lewd patreons or do revealing cosplays. Just be upfront. There's always an audience for it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 22:57:37 2019 No.10283062 >>10283057 For non-U.S. gulls, a banned book in the U.S. is one many book stories & most public libraries will not stock in their regular circulation. It's sort of how most won't have... 'Mein Kampf' if you ask.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:00:12 2019 No.10283066

>>10283057
>someone likely just thought it was a nice nickname for a young lady
But they already had "lolicon" by then and knew what it meant. Why do people like you try to act like the Japanese were illiterate retards who had no idea what Lolita (the book) was?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:00:18 2019 No.10283067 >>10283060 Exactly!! Thot out with confidence or don't thot at all

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:02:02 2019 No.10283069 >>10283066 Was there even a Japanese translation of Lolita at that time?

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:08:08 2019 No.10283072

>>10283066
In 1970, the word lolicon appeared in a Western work by Russell Trainer. It didn't originate in Japan... In 1980, it's not unlikely that someone with no interest in prepubescent pornography to be unfamiliar with the term 'lolicon'.

No. It's because the Japanese are highly literate that they likely wouldn't assume it meant pedophilia at the time. I mean, shit, it was an actual name. In 1980, a dictionary would explain it was diminutive for Dolores, not about being sexually attracted to a young girl. It was an actual name.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:11:36 2019 No.10283077

>>10283066
The only thing they wouldn't be familiar with is why it might've been considered controversial in America because we're weird fuckers who decided the name of the girl meant pedophilia instead of 'nymphet'. Kind of like how an American might not realise '4' in certain usages is really bad over there. (I think it's 4 that's like our 13.)

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:14:17 2019 No.10283081

>>10283057
It's really not banned, my local library had it, then i decided I wanted to buy it and my local book store had it as well. "Lolita" came to mean a young girl who was precocious and promiscuous, like a little seductress. The jap name came from mana calling it "gothic lolita" because the fashion resembles little girl clothes. He probably knew what it meant.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:16:18 2019 No.10283082 >>10283040 Lmao nice reach

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:19:09 2019 No.10283084

>>10283081
It came to mean... He likely didn't think it was that big of a deal & that it was a pretty name even if he first saw the word on a copy of the book. That's what I'm trying to say. It still would've not carried that definition in the 80's. We really only got to that point in the 90's with the movie. When Thorn wrote that phrase, he was referencing the book, but not really connecting the name itself... Electra complex being another example.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:22:58 2019 No.10283085 >>10283081 Pretty much... no, he likely didn't mean that at all; that's not what it meant for him. He didn't mean for people to be arguing it's synonymous with pedophilia into the 2000's.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:24:43 2019 No.10283087 >>10283081 Pretty much... no, he likely didn't mean that at all; that's not what it meant for him. He didn't mean for people to be arguing it's synonymous with pedophilia into the 2000's. It was just a Western sounding name for young women.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:31:22 2019 No.10283093
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>>10282887
>>10282893
Again, I get what's being point out here, but, yeah, again, it resembles clothing that a debutante would wear. I mean, in most Western history, European or otherwise, women were either had 'came of age' or were married. Younger, but not children. 'Lolita' would've been used for a woman of that age.

That's sort of kind of the irony of the book too. Many of her relatives and the ilk used terms more appropriate for a child of her age: 'Lo', 'Lola', or 'Dolly'. You would've used 'Lolita' really to refer to a beautiful young woman... a teenager or someone in their 20's. You may have also used it for your loved one if her name was Dolores. It's an aspect often overlooked. He used a term of a woman close to or of age for a young child.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:32:28 2019 No.10283094 >>10283093 pointed*

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:34:59 2019 No.10283097

>>10283084
The book was very popular and controversial when it was first released, people stopped naming their kids Lolita pretty much right away because of the association. Also it's not synonymous with pedophile, it's a young girl who knows too much for her age and acts sexy. Lolita was 12, it's not like she was 8 12 year olds were in relationships with 16 year olds back then and no one saw anything wrong with it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:36:33 2019 No.10283100 >>10283097 What the fuck

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:37:37 2019 No.10283102 >>10283097 t. hasn't actually read the book

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:39:49 2019 No.10283104 >>10283102 I have, not everyone interpreted it the way it was probably meant to be interpreted, hence why a lolita is a flirty young girl. The way humpbert describes her.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:40:35 2019 No.10283105

>>10283097
It actually peaked in 1960. That's when the highest number of people naming their children 'Lolita' occurred... 20 years before 1980. The association is modern, and is in part due to the names Lolita and Dolores falling out of favor. There's many names that had such a fate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:43:47 2019 No.10283107 >>10283104 Oh wow, look at how special and intelligent you are, no one understands book, not like you

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:44:42 2019 No.10283109 >>10283107 We don't need to be mean. We'll get the thread deleted if we do that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:45:03 2019 No.10283110 >>10283105 Not really. People stopped naming their kids lolita because of the association, which existed back then. There's no way he couldn't have known the connotation in the 90's when he called it that

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:46:22 2019 No.10283114 >>10283107 Some people take shit at face value dog, they saw a sexy ass little girl and ran with it.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:48:13 2019 No.10283116

>>10283110
It peaked in the late 1960's, if anything, it's popularity was furthered by the book's publication. You know what the name Dolores, and Lolita, mean? It means 'sorrows'... 'a deep sadness, regret, or deep distress'. That's why it was so appropriate for such a book character.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:52:51 2019 No.10283118

>>10283104
Humbert Humbert is an intentionally unreliable narrator. His perception of Lolita as "asking for it" is transparently his own. She does normal kid shit and his boner thinks it's her showing off for him.
"She seduced me, believe it or not!" is basically his argument against the court and it's obviously an argument spun from delusions.
She was never intended to be a sex symbol.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:55:51 2019 No.10283121 >>10283114 this has to be a troll

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:55:54 2019 No.10283122 >>10283118 That's what I'm saying, but not everyone who reads it thinks that and there really were people back then who saw her as promiscuous. That's why lolita came to mean a girl who flirts with older men.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:56:06 2019 No.10283123 >>10283118 It's true. His thoughts read completely insane & grandiose in the book.

Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:58:02 2019 No.10283124

>>10283122
We're asking you accept that the naming of the fashion had absolutely nothing to do with girls who flirt with older men, and that it's merely an unfortunate coincidence of both time & translation even if the book title was where he per chance first saw the name.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:59:27 2019 No.10283126 >>10283093 I think it's better to say it's connotative with "youth" rather than "children." Although it does crack me up when someone who wears something like Lovely Baby Room screeches about how the fashion isn't meant to be child-like.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 3 23:59:28 2019 No.10283127 >>10283124 Agreed. Lolita sounds cute and European. It’s not deeper than that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:00:33 2019 No.10283128 >>10283124 Who is "he"? Mana? Do people seriously think Mana named the fashion?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:00:51 2019 No.10283129 >>10283122 OK, I understand what you meant by your post now. >>10283123 For real. He's a great character, immensely vile.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:01:14 2019 No.10283132 >>10283126 >>10283127 Indeed, it is youthful, and one might be advised to stay away from nursery prints to avoid confusion albeit it's not unlikely nor in anyway odd for young women to be thinking about babies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:01:33 2019 No.10283133 >>10283127 It doesn't sound European at all. It sounds very Hispanic, which it is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:01:48 2019 No.10283135 >>10283124 Dog. DOG. Japanese know what the term meant. Lolicon=lolita complex. People knew what the word meant. He probably called it lolita because it's like a little girl fashion for adults or something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:02:59 2019 No.10283138 >>10283135 Seriously, who is this “he”?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:03:19 2019 No.10283139 >>10283135 >it's like a little girl fashion for adults While a lot of sweet fits that definition (honestly), it doesn't apply for classic or gothic tho.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:04:01 2019 No.10283142 >>10283128 >>10283138 Whoever the fuck 'he' is who named the fashion which is collaborative. Just roll with it, okay? It's not worth arguing when it's more about whether or not we're girls flirting with older men by proxy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:04:19 2019 No.10283143 >>10283133 Think of how Americans group together Asians and don’t know the difference between Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc, names. They’re hardly the only ones who do this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:05:44 2019 No.10283146 >>10283135 See 'Russell Trainer' in >>10283072.

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:06:46 2019 No.10283148

>>10283143
This. So much gets lost in translation, and there was no internet back then, either. I have no doubt that the term wasn't particularly calculated. They just found something that felt vaguely appropriate (youthful! western-sounding!) and rolled with it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:14:20 2019 No.10283155 >>10283133 Is Spain not in Europe now or?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:18:30 2019 No.10283157 >>10283146 It was a popular term in Japan and people knew what it meant at the time. >>10283138 Mana is the one who popularized calling it "lolita" though the fashion had existed for a while. He called it so back when the word "lolicon" was in use

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:20:25 2019 No.10283160 >>10283157 Anon... your logic has failed you. I can't argue with your statement because it's a nonsensical connection that assumes all would know highly specific terms for kiddie porn rooted in Western terminology.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:20:41 2019 No.10283162 >>10283133 >It doesn't sound European at all >It sounds very Hispanic Guess where Spain is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:22:22 2019 No.10283164 >>10283155 >>10283162 Has anyone ever in the history of time thought of southern europe when someone says "european"? The mind immediately goes to france or england because that's almsot always what people mean

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:23:50 2019 No.10283166 >>10283164 Anon... if you're American... as a fellow American, I hereby disown acceptance of you as a citizen of my country.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:25:22 2019 No.10283168 >>10283164 ...no? Italy and Spain is very European idk what you're saying. I think you're projecting your own imagination

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:28:10 2019 No.10283171 >>10283164 Furthermore, 'Mediterranean' is something I think of when I think 'European' just as I might think 'Scandinavian'.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:30:33 2019 No.10283174 >>10283164 >The mind immediately goes to france or england >france or england >england >when someone says "european" I'm offended. Don't group the English in with mainland Euroshits. If Spain isn't a part of Europe now, then we sure as hell aren't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:32:25 2019 No.10283177 >>10283164 If your mind jumps to Turkey, Bosnia & Herzegovina, & Turkey when you think 'Southern Europe'... I'm fucking sorry. That's really dark. I promise Spain is much nicer then those places.

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:34:58 2019 No.10283179

>>10283164
If your mind jumps to Albania, Bosnia & Herzegovina, & Turkey when you think 'Southern Europe'... I'm fucking sorry. That's really dark. I promise Spain is much nicer then those places. Do you like reading about war and human rights violations per chance?

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 00:48:15 2019 No.10283187

>>10282752
Lolita from the get go is described as
>Written by an unreliable narrator describing a ultimately "victim" in such a way to make her seem promiscuous.

It is not surprising that many people have negative reactions to the book. This is because it brings about uncomfortable feelings and is a book about a pedos feelings. The scariest monsters in life are other humans and deep uncomfortable feelings brought about by that so yeah.

Tldr also a lolita who enjoyed the book in a literary sense

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 01:30:38 2019 No.10283209 I don't wash my brand. I don't want the colors to fade. I also don't wear underwear. What's the point? You have bloomers and even without them panties effect nothing.

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 01:45:58 2019 No.10283216

>>10282868
this. they recently hired someone to model before finding out they were disabled & then said they didn’t need models at the time. then not long after they contacted one of the girls friends to model for them. but they have thotty animu clothes so nobody cares enough. also their clothes are just overpriced & low quality

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 01:48:50 2019 No.10283217 >>10282805 god more acne looking glitter highlight paired with a cosplay falling apart on my instagram explore page with 10k likes i can’t wait

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 01:50:20 2019 No.10283219 >>10282807 i feel like people have lowered their standards so much that if a cosplayer is actively following trends and makes ANYTHING they get a big following and people think they are a cosplay god.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 02:31:04 2019 No.10283255 >>10283209 Gross. You must stink.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 02:57:48 2019 No.10283260 Cosplay should be about fun and being in character. Otherwise it's just wearing a costume.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 03:10:44 2019 No.10283265 >>10283260 I miss the days of in character videos on youtube. Sure, it was cringy, but I had so much fun watching cosplayers geek around in stupid scenarios

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 03:26:58 2019 No.10283268 >>10283209 musty & rank

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 03:30:49 2019 No.10283269

>>10283219
I saw a chick with a white t-shirt and fucking TULLE tied around her neck in what was supposed to be a Mako Manshouko cosplay on my explore page yesterday. I nearly popped a vessel when I saw that it had over 1k likes. There are zero standards.

>>10283217
Couldn't have said it better myself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 03:39:20 2019 No.10283270 Old school lolita looks bad, unflattering and tacky. People should leave it in the past where it belongs. It never makes anyone look good, actually most of old school coords are totally ita nowadays but people give it a pass idkw.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 03:57:08 2019 No.10283272 >>10282539 another unpopular opinion: if your lolita closet is mostly taobao/indie or sewn yourself gtfo, it's like an automatic sign of an ita >>10282390 >They just tend to be lower quality. wow it's almost as if that is exactly my point

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 04:17:15 2019 No.10283274 >>10283272 >I'm a massive snob and a corporate whore

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 04:52:50 2019 No.10283277

>>10282554

No. As someone who owns Krad and burando, still no. They're still always one step below, their fabric thinner, shinier, more plasticky, cheap-feeling. And this is already giving face, comparing one of their print dresses to some of the more shiny satin polyester brand dresses. They rapidly fall behind once you add in the full range of textured fabrics that brands like to switch up, you don't even go back 10 Krad releases before you hit their older stuff that's just your average meh-tier taobao.

nayrt, btw.

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 05:00:03 2019 No.10283279

>>10283272
>>10282539

I really don't want to agree with this since I sometimes sew my own dresses as well, but I have to admit there's very few girls without Japanese brand that dress well. Even then those are kinda flawed, I've seen LOTV's first few wardrobe posts on egl and they were kinda natty. Meanwhile that other homemade lolita girl has problems with her bodice construction and as soon as she posted an ootd with her first brand dress you can really see the difference.

I wouldn't go so far to say it's automatic ita, but chances are pretty high that they're ita, I think.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 05:04:00 2019 No.10283280 File: 224 KB, 670x500, 1557211451457.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I want men out of lolita and to leave a space just for women for once

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 05:22:12 2019 No.10283287 >>10283174 >Brexitlita Absolutely disgusting. Bet you wear IW's Union Jack dresses unironically, you weak-chinned tasteless cow.

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 05:24:19 2019 No.10283288

>>10282583
>you shouldn´t do an expensive thing like Lolita if you do not have the funds to do it right

Unpopular opinion: Doing lolita right doesn't have anything to do with funds. If you can recognize quality you can find it cheap and if you know how to style you can look damn good in it. There are as many brand itas as offbrand ones but people tend to ignore those.

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 05:36:10 2019 No.10283292 [DELETED]

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>>10283164
Let's settle this for once and for all. Geographically speaking, Southern Europe is everything on the European continent that is located below the Alps. "European" is a diffrent term though. If we are talking in a sense of common culture and shared values, then a lot of countries that were historically under muslim-occupation are not European because they adapted a lot of oriental values over time and they even genetically intermixed with orientals. Spain used to be under muslim occupation at some point in the early middle ages, but the native population refused to submit and they managed to completely get rid off the invaders and all their influences. Then were are countries like Bosnia and Albania who were also under muslim rule for a long time under the Ottoman Empire. But other than Spain those countries submitted, intermixed with their occupants and even assimilated to their religion and customs and hold those values until today.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 06:03:29 2019 No.10283294 >>10283174 Please kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 06:05:19 2019 No.10283295 >>10283292 Dude calm down who the fuck cares

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 06:07:22 2019 No.10283296 >>10283280 That'll never happen. Scrotes rely on female attention the way junkies need crack, without it schools get shot up.

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 06:15:14 2019 No.10283299

If you're too much of a coward to wash your clothes, you better drop the coin on dry cleaning.

You don't have to wash them EVERY time you wear something- at least if you wear it often(if you wear it rarely and sweat in it, you're gonna get stains, like it or not). If you wear it daily, washing or getting it dry cleaned on every 3rd wear is good for your dresses and JSKs, although if you sweat in them, wash them after that use.
White vinegar helps to set color. Color catching sheets catch bleeding colors. Sweater and bra bags prevent delicate clothes from getting caught up in the machine. You have no excuse to act like a filthy animal.

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 06:27:36 2019 No.10283303

>>10283299
I don't have white blouses so the pits don't get stains, but they do smell. My jsks arent too bad, but my OP dresses can get sweaty because I don't wear anything under them. I don't wear the bloomers during summer and I also dont wear panties, so the insides have spots im them from where i was sitting from my vaginal fluid. I wear perfume so people don't notice the smell and wear tampons during my period. Dry cleaning costs too much, i would rather spend that money on other things. My socks can also get pretty bad but the dirty soles of the socks are hidden by shoes.

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 06:34:31 2019 No.10283304

>>10283303
This is why I don't buy secondhand. This anon may as well be troll but considering the condition of some secondhand dresses I've seen I know there are people who do nasty shit like this. No, thanks, I'm not paying 100~ dollars for some vaginal fluid stained dress. Honestly I'm happy with my Taobao and bought directly from brand dresses, at least I get to support the brands I like instead of giving money to a nasty bitch.

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 06:45:39 2019 No.10283309

>>10282885
From what I understood from Mariko Suzuki, MILK first used "lolita" to describe one of their collections in magazine promotions, and magazines continued using it for clothes that they considered the same style. There's a reason a lot of people in Japan name MILK the first lolita brand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 07:03:42 2019 No.10283316 >>10283303 What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 07:21:47 2019 No.10283322 If I had plenty of money I would buy from disgusting people, just to publicly shame them for their filth and make sure nobody ever buys anything from them again

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 07:28:33 2019 No.10283324 >>10283304 Just wash your brand after buying it, ya know, the thing you keep trying to shame me into doing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 07:35:20 2019 No.10283327 >>10282932 Milkbbi is good

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 07:40:25 2019 No.10283330 >>10283303 why do you sound so proud of being so repulsive and disgusting

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 07:41:26 2019 No.10283331 >>10283322 I would fund this

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 07:45:00 2019 No.10283334 >>10283324 The longer stains sit without being treated, the harder they are to get out. Yours are probably impossible by now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 07:53:58 2019 No.10283335 >>10283324 >>10283334 Still nasty even if stains get out. You need to burn it to make it clean.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 07:54:46 2019 No.10283336 Stop replying to the bad bait

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 08:02:33 2019 No.10283338 >>10283179 Kys

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 08:05:44 2019 No.10283340 >>10283335 Omg, ewww, bodily fluids! I've never touched that before! It's not like it's lurking on every doorknob or something. And don't even get me started on sweat! What kind of animal does that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 08:09:40 2019 No.10283344 >>10283336 Agreed. This thread derailed a long time ago

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 08:16:15 2019 No.10283345 >>10282811 Stop typing like a mongoloid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 08:17:34 2019 No.10283346 >>10283340 >touching doorknobs with bare hands Why are you so proud of being nasty?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 08:22:52 2019 No.10283347 >>10282967 People stopped posting there after it was discovered that one of the mods had an /r9k/ boyfriend that she gave her password to. She's still a mod.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 08:39:25 2019 No.10283352 >>10283322 you would have to name and shame quite a few japanese lolitas, ive bought too much disgusting brand from mercari

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 09:15:45 2019 No.10283359 >>10283336 Yeah, you’re right. Shouldn’t feed the trolls.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 09:19:45 2019 No.10283360 >>10283346 this is the part I don’t get most. It’s really not an accomplishment to be this repulsively disgusting, but they’re coming off like they’re bragging about getting vaginal fluids on everything they touch.

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 09:51:55 2019 No.10283367

>replying to unwashed bait anon
While it's obviously nasty if true I kind of accept the possibility of the previous owner being gross when buying secondhand brand. I use public transport a lot and sure, I know every bus seat is covered in a dozen mystery stains but in the end I still prefer it over paying for gas.
On top of that, if the clothes you sell smell bad or are otherwise gross you'll get negative feedback soon enough. If you make sure to buy from people with a lot of feedback chances of the dress turning out disgusting are really low.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 10:15:11 2019 No.10283375 >>10283270 Hard agree. Some old school looks great, but it's when people actually have pieces that are flattering for their body.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 10:17:32 2019 No.10283377 >>10283280 Agree

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 10:19:05 2019 No.10283378 >>10283270 not when it's done right. it's a shame most old schoolers coord it so thoughtlessly though

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 10:20:22 2019 No.10283379

>>10283303
If you don't have white blouses surely washing should be even easier? Most black blouses you can throw in with the rest of your black wash. Buy from taobao if you know you're going to be too scared of buying a brand blouse. I'm sure you're a troll, but if not, do better.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 10:21:32 2019 No.10283380 >>10283352 I bought a dress that had a dead spider in it's web in it from y!A. Vom.

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 10:35:47 2019 No.10283387

>>10283303
If you think people don't notice the odor because you douse yourself in perfume, you're wrong.
Also, perfume on fabric is damaging to the fabric. White vinegar not only helps color to hold fast, when added to the rinse cycle it eliminates odors. Try again.

Also, black blouses, wash them and when they fade, re-dye them. It's not hard.

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 11:24:59 2019 No.10283404

>>10281836
it makes me sad looking at cosplayers because even if they look good i know their personalities are so broken and fragile they might as well have a soul made of gravel
like, you cant even be too nice to them because they either cant handle positive reinforcement and shut down, or they are starved for friends and get clingy

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 11:29:56 2019 No.10283406 >>10283077 >Kind of like how an American might not realise '4' in certain usages is really bad over there. (I think it's 4 that's like our 13.) >be me, an american yep, no idea what that means kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 12:09:38 2019 No.10283419 >>10283406 All I know is that in Harvest Moon for the GBA if you check the TV at 4:44 it's all corrupted and freaky

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 12:19:33 2019 No.10283431 >>10283406 >>10283419 One of the words for "4" is "shi" which is the same sound as the word for "death."

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 12:58:10 2019 No.10283456 >>10283360 sounds like some AGP shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 13:08:14 2019 No.10283462 >>10283380 How did the seller not notice that before they shipped it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 13:10:15 2019 No.10283463 >>10283367 If what this poster saying is true, though I suspect they’re a troll, their dresses are probably unsalvageable anyway. Vaginal discharge bleaches clothes, and there’s really no coming back from that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 13:10:35 2019 No.10283464 Randoseru bags with sweet lolita is cute. Fight me

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 13:19:13 2019 No.10283470

If people that have legitimate cosplay insta and buys all their cosplays were barred from cons, quality would improve several hundredfold.

Also, cosplay has one of the most autistic general fanbases I've ever seen, and I hate the way everyone interacts in it. I just like making cosplays and being a dramatic dork, but some of the people in the fanbase are such preachy weirdoes it's insane.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 13:34:34 2019 No.10283475 >>10283303 A man posted this. How can anyone possibly think otherwise? Why does this have so many yous? Get your shit together cgl.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 13:40:44 2019 No.10283483 >>10283475 I agree, but some bait is so hard not to bite. Even though this is an obvious troll I’m sure there are people this utterly disgusting

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 13:54:03 2019 No.10283487

>>10283406
>>10283419
Anon in >>10283431 knew a bit more of the details then me; I didn't want to outright say because it is associated with death. Yeah, it's associated with death, and sometimes you might see things like apartments which skip the number '4' entirely kind of like how in the U.S., you can technically get your social security number changed if it includes the number 13 or 666. See, >>10283406, you weren't familiar with the negative connotation, and >>10283419 could only remember that there's a really strange Easter egg related to '4' in a Japanese game.

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 14:04:36 2019 No.10283493

>>10282975
It's never been a separate board, no. It's not been in the almost 14 years I've browsed. There was confusion when /fa/ first came out as to whether or not it was where lolita belonged, but the site was pretty quick to point out the 'gl' in /cgl/ has always stood for 'gothic lolita'. I can share that bit of 'once upon a time' with you, yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 14:15:55 2019 No.10283497 >>10283470 This. I'm not against buying costumes if you are doing it for fun but if you think you are a pro or something with a Facebook fanpage and insta it's just cringeworthy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 14:32:02 2019 No.10283509 Most clothes I see these days from jfashion brands are just printed baggy t-shirts and it’s uninspired and boring

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 14:32:16 2019 No.10283510
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>>10283280
>leave a space just for women for once
I kinda' like lurking here, I am not really into Lolita fashion (although a friend of mine put it on my radar) but some of the pictures you guys put out are pretty damn good. So I'll probably continue to lurk. Pic related, actually one of my favorites from this board.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 14:35:32 2019 No.10283513 >>10283483 >some bait is so hard not to bite The absolute state of /cgl/

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 14:37:17 2019 No.10283514 >>10283270 These new old-school coords look 10x better than actual old-school from the past.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 14:45:04 2019 No.10283516 >>10283514 Really depends who's coords you're referring to because there's a lot of bad old school right now (mostly the edgelords) eclipsing the good

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 15:06:44 2019 No.10283527 >>10283514 >>10283516 Oldschool nowadays is either copy-pasted or a hot mess. Western community just lacks the soul and creativity existed in the past.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 15:11:51 2019 No.10283529 >>10283527 overall, I agree with a few exceptions

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 15:31:00 2019 No.10283535 >>10283270 Hardcore agree. Especially when it's mini skirts, that shit hasn't been lolita for 20 years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 15:32:31 2019 No.10283537 >>10283527 People don't seem to get that the point of it was to be punk as fuck. When you're punk as fuck you don't care if your clothes don't match. That's the intention.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 15:34:22 2019 No.10283538 >>10283292 Oh, there's the "southern euros aren't TRUE WHITES" guy. I was wondering when you would pop up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 15:39:26 2019 No.10283543 >>10283272 That's a pretty popular opinion actually. Those of us that wear mostly indie have to deal with people thinking we're not "real lolitas" all the time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 15:45:20 2019 No.10283546 I wish O****** would shut up and stop pretending to be ~Queen~ of Old School already.

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 15:53:34 2019 No.10283552

>>10283280
This. Also if you're gonna drag your bf to high teas and whatnot, please make sure he actually wants to be there AND IS WELL PUT TOGETHER. I'm sick of fucking greasy crustlord scrotes just standing around playing Pokemon go while their gf socialises

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 15:55:45 2019 No.10283554 >>10283546 kek yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 15:56:14 2019 No.10283557 >>10283552 Samefag, This is a specific example because one of the girls in my comm does this constantly and everyone hates her bf

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 16:00:07 2019 No.10283559 >>10283546 This is not an unpopular opinion. Will y'all ever shut up about her?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 16:00:55 2019 No.10283560 >>10283552 how does a greasy crustlord scrote even get a gf anyway?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 16:02:10 2019 No.10283561 >>10283560 low standards on both sides

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 16:04:30 2019 No.10283567 >>10283552 >please make sure he actually wants to be there thank you, holy shit please stop asking us to go to shit like this, we have nothing to contribute besides small talk

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 16:05:19 2019 No.10283568 >>10283560 Manipulation

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 16:08:25 2019 No.10283571 >>10283560 They're both furries so I think that speaks for itself

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 16:38:30 2019 No.10283590

>>10283277
your $50 taobao dress looks like shit, sorry

>>10283279
>>10283543
99% of the people that think their hand-sewn dresses look good, don't
and 99% of people with taobao/indie closets that go "i-its just as good guise i swear!" it more often than not isn't.

are there people that have beautiful dresses they made themselves? yes.
Is there good indie/taobao? yes.
but 99% of people don't fall into this category

>tfw my original posts weren't even talking about lolita

>>10283493
>>10282975
it's always been one, this is true

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 17:31:56 2019 No.10283620 >>10283537 Bingo

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 18:28:33 2019 No.10283640 >>10283058 EXACTLY!

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 18:37:02 2019 No.10283644 File: 176 KB, 378x396, a82[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10283280 just because of this I'm going to shove my male opinions about lolita x9 times harder

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 18:39:31 2019 No.10283645 File: 622 KB, 510x512, 1572583063250.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10282931 >cons >not for weeb childrens lmfao granny, it's about time for you to retire

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 19:27:05 2019 No.10283667
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>>10283645
>exposing your kids tp basement dwellers and cosplayers with tits&ass out
>bringing strollers into over crowded cons and blocking shit
>underagers are annoying as sin and most don't have money to spend to begin with

It's like you didn't even try lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 19:45:45 2019 No.10283681 >>10283667 >anime is for adults Yikes! manchildren, when will they ever learn!

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 20:12:21 2019 No.10283691

>>10282931
T b h I can agree since the same people who bring their kids to cons are the same people who'd name their kid Naruto KEK

>>10283667
I cannot tell you how many times I've seen kids running around cons unsupervised. Cosplayers are not babysitters people.

Anonymous Mon Nov 4 22:04:35 2019 No.10283735

>>10283645
>>10283681
They're not though and they never have been. If there really is such a demand for younger con spaces then there needs to be a separate space where their age specific needs can be met because the general con floor definitely is not. Anime isn't only for adults, but it's an open minefield for immature audiences that is widely unmonitored. And it isn't anime's fault for being that way. Parents and interested parties need to create that space for children, families, and teens rather than thrusting them into an adult space and expect that space to suddenly conform to child-friendly standards (which are bullshit anyway since they only can manage vendors and panels, leaving the near nude cosplayers and dudes wearing nudes still out in the open).

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 4 22:31:33 2019 No.10283755 >>10283735 Children don’t have money. Their parents do, sure, but with some exceptions most parents aren’t going to be shelling out the kind of money that adult weebs will at cons.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 5 02:21:47 2019 No.10283837 I hate this plaque doctor coord Trend. Stop it.

Anonymous Tue Nov 5 04:41:32 2019 No.10283867

>>10283735
>muh keeds ruining muh thotsplay safe space
adult only cons where. thotsplayers get sexualized twice as much and molested twice as much when?

on the other hand, think about all the kids that want to get their hands on on ultra violent and hentai content, why would we stop them really by segregating them to a kids only con

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 5 04:43:25 2019 No.10283868 >>10283755 only truly argument with weight, ur bigger consoomers, but with most manchildren being NEETs some kids might get even more money on goods that the average NEET

Anonymous Tue Nov 5 05:02:41 2019 No.10283872

>>10283288
>f you can recognize quality you can find it cheap

Cheap isn't free, anon. It'll still cost you some funds.

I think what you mean is "lolita doesn't have to mean dropping a bomb on brand", but you do need funds for lolita. Even if you go 100% thriftstore and handsewn you're gonna need that dollar or ten for that secondhand dress or fabric or whatever. And we haven't even discussed shoes, they're the one item I'd say if you're going cheap, buy them firsthand from a budget store. Secondhand shoes usually have already been depressed into cardboard and are sometimes falling apart already.

Anonymous Tue Nov 5 07:58:36 2019 No.10283917

>>10283872
I mean, of course, you have so spend some money but it's nothing extra if you are not homeless or something. I live in a literal 3rd world country and I changed my whole wardrobe just by going for lolita appropriate items when I needed something new. My first lolita item was shoes and they were the only shoes I had that time; so actually the money wasn't spent on a hobby but on something I needed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 5 12:30:30 2019 No.10284011 >>10283681 I didn't say that but ok lmao >>10283755 This. Adult weebs are the biggest spenders because they actually have jobs and no kids.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 5 18:22:50 2019 No.10284170 >>10283837 >plaque doctor oh you mean dentist?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 5 19:24:10 2019 No.10284225 File: 311 KB, 560x560, 1558749429725.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What the fuck why was my reply about men in lolita deleted

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 7 21:28:13 2019 No.10285413 >>10282114 >they still have the mary janes bless you for this information anon

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 8 21:55:18 2019 No.10285885 >>10284225 Uh it's offensive to people with pee pee duh this is 4chan you need to tred lightly

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 10 12:07:17 2019 No.10286688 People who say they like taobao prints more than brand prints only do so because they have never seen a brand dress irl or because they can't afford one so they're lying to themselves.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 11 16:33:31 2019 No.10287570 >>10282181 Because it's fun, unlike you apparently.

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