Most influencial people in lolita

[Anonymous No.10069871]

Copying off the most influential people in cosplay thread, who do you think are the most influential people in lolita?

Mana-sama is an obvious choice.

[Anonymous No.10069872]

AP's designers Maki and Asuka are influential as well.

[Anonymous No.10069878]

Novala's contribution to the subculture is undisputed, whether you're a lifestyle lolita or think it's "just clothes".

[Anonymous No.10069889]

Kammie/Mintymix is the most influential western lolita. She started the half wig trend which she then turned into her own business, and she popularized Decora-lolita.

[Anonymous No.10069912]

>>10069889
>most influential western lolita
I like Kammie but I'm inclined to disagree. As much as I hate to say it because I really don't like her, that's probably Lor.

[Anonymous No.10069916]

>>10069912

In what way is Lor influential? She can't even get people to buy from DevilInspired.

[Anonymous No.10069920]

>>10069871
It depends on where you ask desu. Some western lolitas don't know wtf Mana is. But if you mean, who influenced lolita fashion to be the way it is today, Mana obviously popularised gothic lolita, Angelic Pretty decided we should all wear several petticoats, and Novala Takemoto influenced subculture/lifestyle lolita, and inspired more special snowflakes to wear lolita.

[Anonymous No.10069938]

>>10069920
>Novala Takemoto influenced subculture/lifestyle lolita, and inspired more special snowflakes to wear lolita.
His work has helped the fashion branch out in a much broader way once the Kamikaze Girls movie was released, both in Japan and the west. He's done a lot more for the subculture than just introduce "special snowflakes" to it.

[Anonymous No.10069943]

>>10069889
kammie is a meme lolita, i don't really consider her an advocate or anything influential and i can't see a reason that you would. she was not the first colorful/overly pastel lolita out there, nor will she be the last.

[Anonymous No.10069944]

>>10069871
Say what you want about Lor, but I can’t deny the influence she’s made on many newcomers in the past and now. She was the first Lolita I saw when I first began researching Lolita. Her coordinates may not always be great, but in terms of connecting to Lolitas in a non-intimidating way I’d say she is an influential figure.

[Anonymous No.10069956]

KatieBabyDoll is an influential lolita

[Anonymous No.10069958]

>>10069889
I don't think she's influenced vast numbers of lolitas like Lor has but she definitely has influenced me. I fucking love kammie

[Anonymous No.10069962]

>>10069956
Yes, in the same vein that anyone who buys followers is. She's done as much for lolita as pixielocks has. Or less so.

Idodeclare is an influence, definitely. Even if her stuff isn't specifically lolita, I feel like enough people have been influenced by her designs and aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.10069963]

>>10069956
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

fuck off k8te. all you've influence is the passage of farts in a toilet

[Anonymous No.10069964]

>>10069944
She looks so nice here despite the odd make up. I wish i had a smile like that.

[Anonymous No.10069973]

I know Risa isn’t Lolita but she’s probably the person I get the most inspiration from in my makeup and things.

[Anonymous No.10069977]

>>10069962
I agree on idodeclare

[Anonymous No.10069978]

>>10069956

Fuck off baninabear

[Anonymous No.10069989]

>>10069878
or if you're a sexual deviant like him lmao

[Anonymous No.10069995]

>>10069871
Parfaitdoll

[Anonymous No.10070007]

>>10069978
Fuck off goose

[Anonymous No.10070010]

>>10070007

Nah man, if I were her I'd be writing thirty self congratulatory paragraphs before even getting to you.

Meanwhile, someone just posted to the draw thread, so maybe pipe down a little or else you won't get any drawings :^)

[Anonymous No.10070012]

>>10069989
What? I thought he was just a pot head?

[Anonymous No.10070013]

>>10070012
>paying attention to retards
Please don't.

[Anonymous No.10070014]

>>10070010
I'm not her but that photo is definitely not on k8's Instagram and clearly features goose so I'd love to know who else it might have come from.

[Anonymous No.10070061]

>>10070014
>>10069956
Those two haven’t been relevant for years. She’s improved, but that’s like saying voldie is an influence. She was drama fodder, and that’s pretty much it. Let it die.

Meanwhile FannyRosie was my reason (and probably a whole generation of classic lolitas) reason to get into the fashion. On the classic end, she’s probably the biggest classic influencer.

>>10069920
>some western lolitas don’t know mana
How

[Anonymous No.10070064]

>>10070061
>Those two haven’t been relevant for years

K8 was relevant up till last year before taking a hiatus due to personal life/drama created somewhat by Goose.

[Anonymous No.10070066]

>>10070061
Fanny Rosie isn’t what got me into classic lolita, but she’s definitely what encouraged me to stick with it this long. Thanks for adding this

[Anonymous No.10070070]

>>10070014
Beats me, but it's interesting you know her entire instagram considering she has hundreds of posts on there.

>>10070064
Not really. She looks like every other sweet clone out there. I can't think of a trend that was started by her other than fake chanel glasses she tried to shill.

>>10070061
Agreed. I got into lolita because of her. I wouldn't say she is the most influential, but she did create a style a lot of classic lolitas would be inspired by. Even Japanese lolitas reference her.

[Anonymous No.10070079]

>>10070070
Which classic lolita is more influential than FR?

[Anonymous No.10070084]

How has Venus Angelic not been mentioned yet? Good or bad her shit show history has definitely influenced the amount of people in the western world to google what lolita fashion is; despite not really being a lolita herself.

[Anonymous No.10070088]

>>10070079

I didn't mean most influential classic lolita, I meant most influential lolita.

If she was the most influential lolita, MM and VM wouldn't be teetering on the edge of closing down, rip.

[Anonymous No.10070090]

>>10069878
Could anyone tell me the name of the print on the skirt?

[Anonymous No.10070095]

[Anonymous No.10070097]

>>10070095
Really, this far into the thread and Misako is finally mentioned? How dare you plebes speak of western lolitas first.

[Anonymous No.10070100]

Speaking of Venus, while Mr. Yan has left us for a real wife he really did change the game with Bodyline. Before Taobao really hit it off this was the go-to for newbie lolitas to get the fashion for a Walmart price and somehow they still hold on to their Harajuku store.

I'm so glad times have changed for the better with cheap secondhand brand being very widely available, but I'll miss the crazy times with Mr. Yan.

[Anonymous No.10070109]

>>10069995
This and also Princess Skye, but let's face it. A big part of the current lolita demographic don't know or don't remember anything older than 2012.

[Anonymous No.10070110]

>>10070109
Oh fuck, I just noticed her website is suspended.

[Anonymous No.10070115]

>>10069943
Kammie literally started the split wig trend which made its way over to japan. And clueless_case’s dreadfalls she wore to one of the Yumemiru paradise events influenced Maki’s sugary carnival art.

Kammie may not have a YouTube channel but just having her brand of wigs caused her style to be copied by many people

[Anonymous No.10070122]

>>10070097
maybe cuz it's a no brainer

[Anonymous No.10070123]

>>10070115
This is hardly influential in the grand scheme of things. One print or a wig style doesn’t mean much.

[Anonymous No.10070127]

Kimura U

[Anonymous No.10070128]

RinRin Doll

[Anonymous No.10070129]

>>10070109
I really, truly wish I had been around before 2012...but I was a stupid middle/high schooler who hardly knew about it at the time.

[Anonymous No.10070131]

>>10070061
she definitely got me into lolita, i came across her & learned lolita didn't only come in the sweet variety. shes also motivating me to become a lifestyler and make my whole life aesthetic

[Anonymous No.10070137]

>>10070131

I'm >>10070070 and same, honestly. Especially when my first exposure was a high school senior weeb showing off her 'wa lolita' from Milanoo. FR taught me that lolita can be elegant and subdued.

Speaking of classic inspirations, how can anyone forget Fujiwara-san? Especially with her inspirational quotes she posts everyday to twitter. I love her so much.

[Anonymous No.10070140]

>>10070129
Same. I knew what lolita was because I was a weeby middle schooler but didn't start wearing the fashion or following brands/notable people until 2016. I feel like I missed out on so much.

[Anonymous No.10070168]

>>10070123
>One print or a wig style doesn’t mean much

Are you new? Do you not know how many people wore split wigs and how long that trend lasted?

[Anonymous No.10070170]

>>10070168
Not at all, but just because she originated a fad doesn't mean she has a lasting impact and importance on the fashion.

[Anonymous No.10070171]

>>10070170
But Kimura Yu and Lor have?

[Anonymous No.10070174]

>>10070171
Kimura U, while nice, is also not influential. Her brands don't do well and her modeling is mediocre at best.

Lor is influential to "lolitas at heart".

[Anonymous No.10070175]

>>10070123
>one print
Sugary Carnival is one of the most iconic prints to exist? Sure, it's not popular anymore but to deny it's impact is really idiotic.

[Anonymous No.10070191]

>>10070129
>>10070140
Sorry anons, that didn't mean to sound like some kind of accusation, just a fact considering OPs question. There are some strong key figures like Mana, Misako etc but after that it completely depends on who you ask, because popular and influential lolitas (and what makes someone popular and influential) changed a lot over the years/decades.

That being said, you can still access a lot of info of pre-2012 lolita! The easiest hint is of course livejournal. For a start, you can simply go through the egl memories(https://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?user=egl)), the tags (https://egl.livejournal.com/tag/ - not that many posts were tagged though) or the archive (https://egl.livejournal.com/2005/ - just change the year to the one you're interested in and click a day or month). Same goes of course for daily-lolita and other livejournal communities (here's a list for a start: https://egl.livejournal.com/18644274.html but there were much more, you can find some of them in the egl comm tag, in posts talking about them or while using livejournal's searchbar https://www.livejournal.com/blogs/en/lolita%20fashion).). Most of the posted links will be dead, however you can still visit a lot of them through archive websites like the wayback machine (https://archive.org/web/)) or archive.is .

cont.

[Anonymous No.10070194]

>>10070191
You can search for users too if you add the following after the livejournal link: /?poster=XXXX (for example https://daily-lolita.livejournal.com/?poster=seagull-chan).).
Honestly, there is still a lot of info available. There were a shit ton of blogs and forums too, just go through link lists whenever you find some. A good start would be the ones on avant gauche, the lolita handbook lj, blue period or on hellolace. Only a view websites will be lost forever because they were never archieved or required a login (like lolitasnap and lolitaburger and I will forever be salty about that).
Hell, tumblr got popular around 2009 and a lot of those lolita tumblrs are still there, you can go through their archives, likes and rebloggs too.
Sorry for the OOT post but what I want to say is, don't be sad yet. Consume and save as much as you can, because I fear what's left of that time won't stay forever.

[Anonymous No.10070201]

>>10070174
Someone can have been influential and not be influential today. Moitie is floating by on a thread and no one dresses like Mana anymore but no one is saying he isn’t influential. Is this a “relevant only in 2018” thread or a thread to discuss who was a figure in the fashion at some point in time who made a difference? Because I would argue that Kammie has made more of an impact on the fashion as a whole than Lor, who might have a small part in bringing lolita to outsiders but hasn’t done anything to impact the community or how we wear the fashion.

[Anonymous No.10070206]

Mildly internet famous != influential to the fashion.

[Anonymous No.10070208]

>>10070206
Causing a years long trend that led to countless copycats and multiple successful companies is influential to the fashion.
If Kammie hadn’t started doing split wigs, then there wouldn’t have been a demand for them, and then Gothic Lolita Wigs wouldn’t have been created as a company to leech off that demand. It’s okay if you don’t like her style, it’s okat if you aren’t into OTT sweet, but it’s just a fact anon.

[Anonymous No.10070217]

>>10070206
Agreed. It seems people here are confusing "influential" with "inspiring" when they aren't necessarily the same thing. So far the only ones that fit the bill are Mana, Novala, Misako, and the actual lolita designers that have been mentioned.

>>10070208
I'm sorry anon but starting a now-dead trend is not enough for her to be considered influential.

[Anonymous No.10070232]

>>10070061
Sapphira-sama master race

[Anonymous No.10070243]

>>10069878
his interview in so pretty/very rotten was so weird that i cant appreciate his works without thinking of it now

[Anonymous No.10070250]

>>10070243
What was weird about it?

[Anonymous No.10070253]

What I am getting from this thread is that according to half of you, nobody has ever been influential in lolita fashion.

[Anonymous No.10070258]

>>10070090
https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-thumbelina-skirt

[Anonymous No.10070259]

>>10070243
Can you be more specific? The only "weird" thing I recall from it was him saying that he was shocked to learn that lolitas get harassed for dressing the way we do, which is kind of naive but nothing too weird.

[Anonymous No.10070260]

>>10070253
Who do you suggest then

[Anonymous No.10070287]

>>10069871
A lot of the mid-20s to 30s lolitas in my comm started wearing it because of visual kei in general, not just Mana. Funnily enough they tend to be the type that aren't interested in other Japanese/weeb stuff, like anime and vidya

[Anonymous No.10070296]

>>10070253
To me, if you inspired some people to wear lolita fashion, you're not influential. Fannyrosie may have influenced thousands of people to stick with classic lolita, but she didn't have an impact on how it looks as a whole. In fact it's the opposite, some people who don't like how she changed her style started arguing she's not a lolita anymore. Mana influenced people to wear gothic lolita, but if it wasn't him, gothic lolita would not look the way it does today, and it would probably never been so popular to begin with. Mariko Suzuki pushed Kera to launch Gothic Lolita Bible when they weren't initially interested. That's influential.

[Anonymous No.10070299]

I think the nobodies who created egl on livejournal, rufflechat on facebook, SFE, hellolace, lacemarket and Rufflecon are more influential than some of the "efamous" youtubers mentioned here.

[Anonymous No.10070321]

>>10070201
On twitter I still see Gothic Lolita’s dressed like him with similair make-up and such. (They are all Japanese though.)

I think this question really differs per country, style and year. I remember being mostly influenced by Kanon Wakeshima and Mana when I started. I also remember Princess Peachie??? was like one of the biggest Western Lolita’s those days. Also our comm leader from that time was very influential for the style in our country, but I doubt anyobe here would even know her.

[Anonymous No.10070355]

>>10070321
Princess Peachie was never big or influential, her style was very cookie cutter. She wore a lot of replicas and Bodyline.

[Anonymous No.10070357]

>>10070355
She was very influential for UK sweet lolitas back in the day. I remember when she'd sell her dresses, girls would pile manically to buy them.

[Anonymous No.10070360]

How about Ai Yazawa? Her manga series ’Nana’ is very aesthetically pleasing j-fashion wise and one of the characters wears lolita.

I may be biased because Nana was huge influence for me. I still have soft spot for Vivienne Westwood items in lolita coords.

[Anonymous No.10070383]

>>10069956
that's goose on the right?
this is on it's way to being a cursed image depending on how psychotic the legal battle and aftermath gets.

[Anonymous No.10070387]

>>10070360
I second this so hard

[Anonymous No.10070430]

>>10070232
Sapphira is great for sure but I don’t think she’s more influential than FR.

[Anonymous No.10070440]

>>10070299
Amen. Especially to egl

[Anonymous No.10070449]

>>10070061

She's beautiful and has great taste and style, but her attitude sometimes makes me dislike her. I mean, don't get pissed off bc your coord doesn't get the attention you think it deserves and enjoy the fashion, girl.

[Anonymous No.10070469]

>>10070449
Idk why fr has been occasionally described this way on cgl lately, unless it’s all by the same anon. She sometimes asks her followers what they want to see and posts accordingly, but that’s not the same as getting pissy about attention

[Anonymous No.10070470]

fyeah lolita for better and for worse. I'll also include everyone like lolitatips on tumblr who has complied accessible resources that have aided newbs to access lolita.

[Anonymous No.10070480]

>>10070449
Making a comment isn’t being pissed, are you the same anon who said she was fake?

[Anonymous No.10070484]

The lolibrary devs. As much as we all like to bitch about them sometimes, they have provided an invaluable resource to our community.

[Anonymous No.10070507]

So what is the criteria for influential? Do they need to be currently influential right now or could they have been important for a period of time? Do they have to provide a service?

[Anonymous No.10070529]

>>10070449
Yeah I have no idea where you get that attitude from her. In my personal experience it was a delight to meet and spend time with her. Have you met her in person or are you just assuming this through the computer screen?

[Anonymous No.10070682]

>>10070484
I wonder why hellolace was so much easier to use

[Anonymous No.10070691]

Takulu, I remember when she had literal clone armies when OTT sweet started to be a thing.

[Anonymous No.10070701]

>>10069956
She sure influenced me. Now I know what not to do.

[Anonymous No.10070705]

>>10070064
Hardly. I find it ironic that we know of the drama supposedly caused by Goose, but no one can get any sign of Goose who looks like she’s locked down her Instagram. Last I heard she wasn’t involved until Kate begged PGL members to come out to CA to help her. I guess Goose was the only one stupid enough to fall for k8’s sob story and everything looks like k8 stabbed her in the back. Between the two k8 is the only one with an established history of scamming PGL members. I also heard that Goose has proof of Kate’s fuckery but because Kate is BFFs with one of the local mods they wouldn’t even listen to her.

[Anonymous No.10070712]

>>10070449
I really don’t get how you got this image of her.
I‘m just casually following her and she always seemed rather down to earth, neither being very edgy nor super cutesy.

[Anonymous No.10070722]

>>10070712
Nayrt, but it's the wording. I've seen it on some of her Tumblr posts.

[Anonymous No.10070731]

>>10070712
NYART but agreeing with >>10070722. She's very insincere. She also used to be (still is?) in a famously efame-hungry Instagram pod with VB and some other big lolita Instagrammers.

[Anonymous No.10070735]

>>10070691
Yes! Also Sae and Unu. Sae was the quintissenial AP clone and Unu mixed fairy kei and lolita in creative ways.

I also think the Portland Oregon comm circa 2008-2009 was really influential. They were all well dressed and had huge meetups they’d share photos of, and Faunkegin was part of them.

[Anonymous No.10070740]

>>10070705
Goose is a known scammer who milks people for money in multiple communities. If she had proof of k8 doing something, I'm sure we'd all have heard about it by now in its 30 paragraph glory. It wasn't her first strike for this kind of thing, and now she's had to go into hiding. Regardless, neither of them is particularly influential in the community at all.

[Anonymous No.10070744]

I think Deerstalker Pictures has been pretty influential. Their lolita videos really inspired me (and many others) to start wearing the fashion, and I personally think that documenting a community is its own kind of influence.

[Anonymous No.10070806]

>>10070449
she also comes across cold when talking about anything personal. someone asked what she wore to her wedding on tumblr and her answer was very blunt and emotionless

[Anonymous No.10070829]

>>10070806
what was her wedding dress?

[Anonymous No.10070832]

>>10070806
I don't see what's wrong with that. I'd rather have that than people obsessively chronicling their mental illnesses in their instagram stories for the world to see.

[Anonymous No.10070843]

>>10070806
I get the impression she prefers to keep a lot of stuff about her life private, which makes sense given the number of creepers who follow her. She's quite pleasant in person.

[Anonymous No.10070849]

>>10070806
Sounds like a you problem, you’re reading into what she writes and projecting a tone to them. Does she have to use a million emojis for you to be satisfied?

[Anonymous No.10070855]

Lauran was one of the biggest influences in the early days. She was one of the first western lolitas to blog about wearing lolita in Japan and she helped to bring awareness to Harajuku as a lolita mecca.
>>10070136

[Anonymous No.10071027]

>>10070829
she didnt post any picture just said something like she wore the most boring and plain item in her wardrobe to her wedding. its always stuck in my memory as being a strange response from someone who apparently loves fashion as much as she does but theres been other times where her responses or captions have been similarly robotic.

[Anonymous No.10071029]

>>10070731
I doubt it. She barely comments on the so called pod posts and she does comment on my stuff a lot, and I’m in no pod.

[Anonymous No.10071030]

>>10071027
Maybe she just wanted to downplay it or didn’t want to make such a fuss about it like other lolitas tend to do. Lolitas seem to forget we are still normal people outside of these clothes, and she still has her own quirks and what not outside of the fashion. You really are looking into this waaay too much.

[Anonymous No.10071033]

>>10071027

she keeps her life with her husband very private. idk if you noticed that, but that's probably why.

>inb4 just shop a smiley face over him!

my bf is the same way with our life events. i respect his wishes for privacy. she probably does the same.

[Anonymous No.10071080]

>>10071027
That just sounds like she got eloped and didn’t care that much about a wedding. Seems like you have your own hang ups on why that’s cold.

[Anonymous No.10071171]

>>10069878
>>10070012

I just want to share a big blunt with him

Does anyone know about his recent whereabouts?

[Anonymous No.10071287]

>>10070469
>>10070480

It's the first time ever I talk about her here or anywhere online, so no, not that anon in both cases (and not the same that I just read at the nostalgia post, btw).

[Anonymous No.10071331]

>>10069977
Oh if you only knew how rotten she is irl...

[Anonymous No.10071334]

>>10071331
That doesn't change her being influential, anon. I'm very curious though... She was nice the time I met her but I've heard some shit through the grapevine that makes me think she's two-faced. Why do you say she's so rotten?

[Anonymous No.10071351]

>>10071033
so is my bf, and i honestly respect fanny more for keeping her personal life private.

[Anonymous No.10071368]

>>10071331
Yeah right, tell me how she is so rotten? Smells like strong vendetta.

[Anonymous No.10075594]

>>10069889
Is this a joke or a selfpost? Either way, that girl looks like ita trash.

[Anonymous No.10075597]

>>10075594
>ita trash
>its just a a photo of her hair and makeup

how new are you?

[Anonymous No.10075610]

>>10071331
I actually want to know deets. Can you take it to the farm so mods don’t get ban-happy? I think other people are curious too.

[Anonymous No.10075668]

>>10070115
The only people who would call clueless_case influential would be people who knew her and would have heard her talk about how hr wig was an inspiration for Maki's art.

[Anonymous No.10075695]

>>10075594
She was iconic in the mid 2000s anon

[Anonymous No.10076360]

>>10075610
Take it to the farm for what? It’s obvious previous poster was full of shit and is just trying to stir the pot, bad bait mate.

[Anonymous No.10083234]

How y'all have this thread and not post Kato-san?

[Anonymous No.10083252]

>>10083234
Bless Kato-san and her based designs

[Anonymous No.10090876]

Dada (Velvet Eden)
Emiru (Lareine)
Michiru (Aioria)
Those 3 off the top of my mind.
And going before lolita, probably people like Jun Togawa and Min Hisako and the girls from bands like Masako-san, Minca Panopica and Go-Bang's helped shape the whole movement in the proto-lolita/nagomu gal days.

[Anonymous No.10090890]

>>10090876
aioria is based as fuck i like you

[Anonymous No.10090893]

>>10090876
God tier music taste. do you have a throwaway?

[Anonymous No.10090895]

>>10070115
People here must all be really new if they dont know about mintymix being the biggest fucking thing. Before lor was ever a thing

[Anonymous No.10090922]

>>10069916
Lor is perpetually keeping the media in check and critizing bad lolita documentaries and contributing to good ones by explaining who we really are and literally being on them to ensure real quality. She doesn’t tolerate “living doll” bullshit and won’t throw us under the community under the bus like some lolitas who pose for pedo documentaries and call themselves “dolly style” for reality TV.

[Anonymous No.10090926]

>>10069978
Seconding the fuck off. Bitchydoll is a shitlord.

[Anonymous No.10090927]

>>10070064
Is Goose code for Chokelate or Spoony? They directly contributed to the drama and were caught. It’s all documented on lolcow in their threads.

[Anonymous No.10090929]

>>10090927
No, this is more recent drama than that stuff. Also is in lolcow, read up!

[Anonymous No.10090935]

>>10070061
I agree that fannyrosie is a huge classic lolita influencer. I know a good number of lolitas move from sweet to classic (like myself) the longer they’re in lolita, and she’s a great resource for elegant classic coordinates.

[Anonymous No.10090938]

>>10090876
>Jun Togawa
Based

[Anonymous No.10090944]

>>10090922
how is that influential to the community? everyone hates those documentaries. we've been criticizing outside exposure of the fashion since the livejournal days.

[Anonymous No.10091002]

>>10090935
I’ve only ever worn classic, started at 18, and fr has been my main inspo almost since day 1.

[Anonymous No.10094439]

>>10069989
>>10070012
i think this retard thinks novala=nabokov

[Anonymous No.10094445]

>>10069916
>>10069958
>>10069956
Social media influencers are not what the thread is about, that would be like.. "Most popular people in lolita"

Mana influenced lolita because he was one of the people who birthed it; people wore lolita to vkei concerts, based on outfits He and others wore. He went on to create MMM and define Elegant Gothic Lolita, Novala, Maki and Asuka, Isobe, all designers of the major brands that shaped what lolita is today, were influential in its creation and development. Lor may be influential to the community, to some extent, but she is not affecting the design or development of the fashion. We can't really tell how she might influence the community, either, until we can look back years from now. Skye, for instance, influenced a lot of the community by being so obnoxious on livejournal.

The evolution of oldschool and gothic/aristocrat, life and death of punk, the first dresses with prints, the rise of OTT and pastel vomit, classic renaissance and maturation of colours and themes, plague of chiffon and the demand from china for more and more extravagant abominations, and how all these things came to be - who was steering this thing - is what is being asked

[Anonymous No.10094474]

>>10069871
Rules on the Lolita
By
Takemoto Novala


I want to become a lolita, you say.
So become one, I reply.
What can I do to look like a lolita?
I have no words with which to reply to this.
You need a headdress, don't you? And a pannier.
Is this coordinate strange?
Is it not wrong for lolita?
Why do you want to do lolita?
Because it's trendy, because my friends do it...
If that's the case, you have no right to wear lolita.
If you just do what the others do, you will look like a lolita.
But I want you to think about something.
Who do you live for?
You think you want to be yourself, but you are afraid of isolation.
You yell that you want to be free, but you take comfort in following convention.
When you are praised for something you don't even feel comfortable with, are you really satisfied?
Girls who wear Vivienne Westwood but don't even know the Sex Pistols.
Even when wearing a jersey, a princess is a princess.
My lolita rules are mine alone.
So you are the only one who can find your own lolita rules.
My god and your god are different, aren't they?
There are angels who wear elegant dresses and play tamborines,
But there are also angels wearing armor and carrying swords whose job it is to fight.
I can't answer your question.
But there are a lot of hints all around you.
You just haven't noticed yet.
What you feel is right is your answer.
Sew frills onto the hem of your heart!
Put a tiara on top of your soul!
Have pride.

[Anonymous No.10094479]

>>10070084
She's more properly into lolita now. She has quite a few brand coords.
She did a video where she had a brand haul.
I think her shitty, pedobait, "lolita" from yesteryear was due to her mom trying to pimp her out.
I also think that she most likely burned all her bodyline, if she didn't leave it in Korea.

[Anonymous No.10094481]

>>10094479
Thank god.

[Anonymous No.10094516]

>>10070449
Yeah I get what you mean, the woman has a really fragile ego.
I used to like her style a lot but her personality is really grating. That whole flouncing off CoF because cgl didn’t like her “aristocrat” coord was annoying as hell. But of course people will forgive a pretty face much more- re: Chokelate.

[Anonymous No.10094517]

>>10070469
Probably people who know her irl then, because that’s how she’s like on social media.

[Anonymous No.10094653]

>>10069956
Neither of these people are influential lolitas. Having a buttload of your husband's money to buy any AP in sight and try to wear it all at once is not influential.

[Anonymous No.10094659]

>>10090922
>perpetually

she literally started this last month lol.

Although I think these videos of hers will be very useful in the future.

[Anonymous No.10095069]

>>10070100
I'm not a lolita anymore, but I recently was thinking about how much fun the Mr Yan stuff was... I had a meme page about him for a while and I think I have the body pillow somewhere still. Now I'm nostalgic.

[Anonymous No.10095133]

>>10094516
I don't understand why people are so salty about her quitting CoF. I've seen so many lolitas who stopped posting after receiving negative backlash on CGL, but no one talks about them. Some even stopped posting on their social medias or made them all private. And can we blame them? No one likes bad attention. At least, FR has been consistently posting publicly for the last 10 years, unlike people who really have fragile egos.

[Anonymous No.10095234]

Milky Fawn was important to me I also liked pixie, she had good coords.

[Anonymous No.10095432]

>>10095069
I think you should sell me that bodypillow

[Anonymous No.10095645]

>>10090922
You’re talking up Lor but ignoring one of the major points she made in the my strange addiction video, which is that most people that end up in those dog shit “living doll” documentaries get tricked, coached, and edited into it. Talk her up all you want but you seem to feel free to throw what she teaches out the window if it’s in service of tearing down bystanders.

[Anonymous No.10095721]

>>10075594
She literally invented the split wig dipshit

[Anonymous No.10095734]

>>10090927
Goose is not spoony but I have seen spoonys posts via last LC admin and she only came into the kate thread after the cat drama and only posted a handful of times. she did not mastermind any drama lol. Not sure about choke since not sure whether we had her ip logged.

[Anonymous No.10095738]

>>10075594
This is such a weird photo to use, she doesn't dress/look like this. Here have a better photo

I wouldn't call her the /most/ influential lolita but she definitely is influential J-fash person

[Anonymous No.10095739]

>>10070705
gtfo goose

>>10090927
Goose was the goose who ran (and destroyed) a cgl discord some time ago. She is (or was, she's now banned) a pittsburgh lolita.

K8 had some serious shit happen and goose made it way worse and did some incredibly nasty things to k8 and other com members and scammed people in our com and in the doll community before then.

[Anonymous No.10095750]

>>10095738
It's not that weird, she was at her peak popularity at the time so that pic makes sense and is on topic for the thread. I will agree that her style these days is much cuter though.

[Anonymous No.10095875]

>>10095432
Are they not selling them anymore? I'll definitely sell you mine if you're serious

[Anonymous No.10095932]

>>10070740
Who is goose? K8 is the lace girl but about goose never heard before

[Anonymous No.10097163]

>>10095734
>I have seen spoonys posts via last LC admin
Go on...

[Anonymous No.10098276]

>>10097163
not much to say. you can't actually load all her posts in one go because the page just outright crashes lol, there's that many, but she mostly posted in /g/ and /ot/. her actual posts weren't really that outrageous desu, just normal shit (in one thread I saw that it was actually her that replied to me with good advice on a problem I had, which was a weird experience lol), she just posted ALOT. reading her posts just made me feel bad for her desu since it seemed like she's a pretty lonely person. I don't think she came back to the farms after getting banned (to my knowledge) so hopefully she's moved on. didn't seem like she was a bad person, she just needs to get offline.

[Anonymous No.10098385]

>>10095738
I thought this was pixielocks before she got super fat and uglier at first.

[Anonymous No.10098423]

>>10069956
Kate’s face looks so fake damn she looking like a hybrid of Bjork and an alien

[Anonymous No.10098428]

>>10095738
Why would it be a weird photo to use? She looked like that during the peak of her popularity when the split/multicolored wig and split hair caught on. Her style now isn't really straight up lolita anymore, but she still influences the style. Her rainbow bangs prompted her to create wigs with rainbow bangs, which many lolitas still wear despite OTT wigs not being popular anymore.

People change and that doesn't mean how they used to look isn't influential.

[Anonymous No.10098482]

I know less than half of the people mentioned in this thread lmao

[Anonymous No.10098494]

>>10098482
Lurk more and educate yourself then, newb-chan. :^)

[Anonymous No.10098497]

>>10098494
I don't give a shit about these youtubers or whatever sorry. If they are influential, I know about them.

[Anonymous No.10098505]

>>10098497
>youtubers
??? Most people mentioned here aren't youtubers at all.

[Anonymous No.10098510]

>>10098505
I don't know who they are or what they do since they're not influential

[Anonymous No.10098520]

This might be a long, long stretch, but I think Ophelia is quite responsible for this new oldschool boom we're living, like her or not. She will probably fade into oblivion in short time, but, at this moment, I'd say she is influential.

[Anonymous No.10098527]

>>10098520
What does she even do besides bitch in COF. Does she actually produce a blog or content, because I can't seem to find anything.

[Anonymous No.10098531]

>>10098527
In fact, yes. She has a blog in which she made a long explanation about (her vision of) oldschool, did a couple? YT videos about oldschool which were heavily discussed, runs an oldschool community in FB, and is quite iconic in the current oldschool trend.

[Anonymous No.10098535]

>>10098527
https://cynicalneoprincessism.blogspot.com/

[Anonymous No.10098536]

>>10098531

How can you be iconic if you're literally copying icons?

That's like saying the Chinese ripoffs of Gucci are iconic.

[Anonymous No.10098540]

>>10098536
... excuse me? I meant "iconic" as in she is quite popular, recognizable and people follow her stuff, not... whatever the fuck you tried to convey there. I know she *sometimes* literally copies old street snaps outfits, but she has definitely made an apportation to the comm, like it or not.

[Anonymous No.10098543]

>>10098527
People copy her way of taking coord pictures

[Anonymous No.10098564]

>>10098540
That’s not what “iconic” means, anon. It is what “influential” means, though, and that’s the title of this thread, so I agree with you. But considering your “apportation” word choice I don’t think you should be criticizing other people’s use of the idiom

[Anonymous No.10098568]

>>10098510
Who is influential changes. There are fashion icons from the past who were hugely influential that no one cares about now. Everyone knows Audrey Hepburn and Twiggy in the present day, but your average person doesn't remember Brigitte Bardot, Jean Shrimpton, or Eddie Sedgwick. That doesn't make them non-influential.

>>10098520
I'm hesitant to include Ophelia even though she has helped bring old school to a newer generation of lolitas, she is just a parrot of ideas from other lolitas, plus she is so anal about creating a perfect old school aesthetic it seems inauthentic. Not to mention she has been outright wrong at times, like saying heart bags and striped socks aren't old school.

[Anonymous No.10098569]

>>10098564
Oh, I apologize for my choice of words; I'm not a native English speaker, so I use whatever it feels right atm, even if it's not accurate. Sorry for the flop.

[Anonymous No.10098581]

>>10098568
Posting a lot to CoF and getting a lot of likes doesn't make you influential either. Ophelia can be considered influential because people obviously copy her style and even her way of editing pictures, but a lot of people in this thead are just.. who???

[Anonymous No.10098591]

>>10098581
I don't agree with a lot of the people posted in this thread? I think Kammie is influential, along with the lolita models and designers obviously but that's obvious.

[Anonymous No.10098610]

>>10070137
Fujiwara-san will always be my favorite

[Anonymous No.10098620]

>>10098510
>I don't know them so they don't matter
Oh dear, maybe this is the day you finally realize that this subculture doesn't revolve around you.

[Anonymous No.10099022]

>>10098520
I have to agree. I think people here are completely blowing things out of proportion (esp the people saying she "tries too hard to be authentic" "makes up rules" "thinks shes the authority on old school" etc). Its bullshit. She's a genuinely nice helpful person, she only did like 3 coords based on actual snaps and included those snaps in her coord pic as a collage. She is really helpful to people who are starting oldschool and was just trying her best to make a guide on how to do the "basic" old school look because PEOPLE ASKED HER TO. All she did was what was asked of her as best she could. She never said heart bags arent old school, she mistook the bag used as a specific release of a modern heart bag and suggested that an older release be used (and ONLY suggested so because the person ASKED for her opinion). The striped socks comment she admitted she was wrong, but all she said was that she hadnt seen thicker stripes used in old school snaps and that thinner ones were likely favored back then. When someone found a *single* snap with thicker stripes she admitted she was wrong.

/blogpost sage. Yes im mad. Sick and tired of her being shit on for no reason.
inb4 "ass kisser white knight wants to wear her skin"

[Anonymous No.10099083]

>>10098385
Pixielocks stole the hair from Kammie and claims she doesn’t know her

[Anonymous No.10099086]

>>10099083
I mean It’s not like Kammie created rainbow hair and no one else can have it but her.
Pixie would look a lot better if she just ditched unnatural hair colors anyway. They don’t suit her

[Anonymous No.10099114]

>>10099022
There are tons of people who are helpful. She is only “known” because she self posts here and cgl mistakes being on here for being known overall. Girl is just an e fame whore copying K8 tactics of using cgl to boost herself.

She will fade like the trends do because she is one note.

[Anonymous No.10099161]

The youtubers, Lor, Cathy Cat, Peachie brought lolita to newbies, without glb or kera people get through youtube in touch with the fashion

[Anonymous No.10099162]

>>10099086
Why is pixie no longer into Lolita? It suited her so much more than this party key bullshit

[Anonymous No.10099170]

>>10098620
Nayrt but some of the people in this thread didn't do anything influential, they just have a big wardrobe and like to post pictures of themselves. Mentioning your favourite lolitas in this thread doesn't make them influential to the community.

[Anonymous No.10099189]

>>10099162
too many rules or something

[Anonymous No.10099190]

>>10099162
The backlash she got over LACE drove her out iirc. Probably for the best, poor girl seems to be a mess.

[Anonymous No.10099197]

>>10098520
It's not like she revived a completely dead trend, a few people here and there still wore old-school styled stuff, she's just the one who got popular for it, probably because of how anal she was about it and how hard she's tried to make it her "thing".
She did not create old school, her way of taking pictures is not unique so saying people are copying that is inaccurate, and her helpful blog is just a bunch of images that other people had already done the hard work of scanning and posting. That's akin to the myriad of "how to wear Lolita fashion" blogs/videos that exist, it's all just a bunch of information that's readily available to those who do even in a little bit of research. Like it's nice that somebody curated it, but nobody says the people who created those are influential. She brings absolutely nothing new to the table. I really do like her coords and there's no denying that she's really popular, but she's about as influential as K8 has been (read: not at all).

[Anonymous No.10099350]

>>10099114
She doesn't self post where are you getting your info? Lmfao.

[Anonymous No.10099354]

>>10099197
>her way of taking pictures is not unique so saying people are copying that is inaccurate
they literally are copying that, and admitting it in their post, saying they got the idea from her. For example, the way she started listing brands the way FRUiTS did. People could have copied it from FRUiTS but they copied it from her.

[Anonymous No.10099375]

>>10099350
Yes she does, she self posted months ago. Also note a bunch of those other edgy old schoolers also do the same, they are all over this board.

[Anonymous No.10099530]

>>10099375
Sure jan, where's the proof? All i ever see is anons /accusing/ people of selfpost
No timestamp = no fucking proof imo

[Anonymous No.10099554]

>>10098581
How is her style of editing pictures unique?

[Anonymous No.10099579]

>>10099354
They "copied it from her" because they're newbies ignorant to what pictures in magazines used to look like. Them not knowing about the existence of those pictures does not mean they don't exist. In the end, they'd still be copying Fruits pages since it was them and not Ophelia that created that type of coord picture, they're just sort of doing it by proxy. And even if you want to say that it would still count as copying Ophelia, it's still wrong to give her any sort of credit for it because she did not come up with that layout.

[Anonymous No.10099580]

>>10099579
you obviously have no idea what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.10099581]

>>10099580
Why are you licking her ass this hard?

[Anonymous No.10099582]

>>10099579
This thread is about influential people in lolita. If several people literally admitted that they copied how she edits pictures, she influenced them to do that. That's what influencing means.

[Anonymous No.10099588]

>>10099581
I hate lolitas like her, I think she's uncreative and it's weird how she treats old-school, but your arguments actually sound like you're blinded by hate.

[Anonymous No.10100533]

Maki Kusumoto.

[Anonymous No.10100577]

>>10100533
is that ryutaro from plastic tree?

[Anonymous No.10100682]

>>10100577
Yeah.