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Old one ( >>10019867 ) has reached bump limit. Post all discord stuff here.

>> No.10046289
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10046289

I was thinking about creating a (SFW) discord server aimed at people who feel lonely or would like to make new friends. It wouldn't be focused on lolita, cosplay, Japanese culture etc but it would be for people with these interests. People could share everyday pics, thoughts and more generally chat with others about whatever. Staying anonymous would also be okay as long as the user takes part into the conversation.

The server would have different private channels and every channel would be restricted to 5-10 individuals, who could access that only channel and not the others. This way people could get to know each other. After 2-3 months, inactive users would be kicked (not from the server, only from the private channels). The active ones would randomly be redistributed among the channels. Basically you would change channel, thus getting to know new people and maybe re-meeting old ones. This method is inteded to make things a little more interesting and different, people shouldn't exchange contacts to chat on other platforms, at least not from the start.

I think this would be fun especially if you don't have any IRL friend that shares your interests. I would need 1 mod + at least 4 other people per private channel. I think the discord can be opened with at least 2 private channels (so 10 people) but more would be better. I'd also need some civility. I don't like drama.

If you are interested, send me your discord username here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfuqc1bEhvStf7qq8GGTVGbFVUOmdXRmAO7SXqFtctSiplqXA/viewform?usp=sf_link (don't worry I won't be able to get any other info about you).

When/if I get 10+ people in, I'll open the server and get back to you.

>> No.10046719

Oh great, another thread for XforcedmemeX420 to bitch in.

>> No.10046783

>>10046719
Who?

>> No.10046817

>>10046783
She was in the last thread making the 15th vetted discord because the other ones aren't up to her standards *eyeroll*

>> No.10046827

>>10046289
I liked the idea until You started saying things like, randomly assigning people to a room that they could only join with the other people randomly assigned to that room. sounds like the clusterfuck of high school teachers that randomly assigned people to a group for a project. just let people get to know everyone there.. not every one is going to feel comfortable with everyone and it's going to feel more like a chore than fun.

>> No.10046871

>>10046719
It’s xforcedmeme420x

And yeah fuck that bitch

>> No.10046873

>>10046817
You mean that wasn't a crossboarder?? Damn I thought it was some dude trolling

>> No.10046904

>>10046873
Why does she like bees so much...

>> No.10046906

>>10046289
this sounds like an extremely bad idea anon. zero interest in that

>> No.10046986

I already got some responses but please remember to add the #numbers after your username, otherwise I don't think I can find you :c

>>10046827
Something like that sounds very general, I think it might already exist. I've added a section to the form anyway. You can now add "only if no random system" or something like that there. If most people don't want it I will create a normal server.

Also I'm not sure whether people were referring to me, but I'm not forcedmeme.

>> No.10047366

>>10046871
Yeah, I agree. Down with Meme! I hear they're a tranny from Australia.

>> No.10047443

>>10046289
You could give it a try, but scrach the idea of packing 10 random people into a room. That's not gonna work.

>> No.10047448

>>10047366
I hate Australia. I hate Australia so goddamn much. One time, Australia collectively pissed on my brand, and I will never forgive them. I hate Asutralia.

>> No.10047506

>>10047366
I heard meme once ordered an entire bag of dicks off AliExpress and sucked them all.

>> No.10047552

>>10047366
What Is Wrong With Australians.?

>> No.10047553

Are there any that have people who can hold actual conversation? Id like to make more friends in the community but it feels like whenever i join one its screaming over memes and videogames. Which is fun and all but id like to actually get to know people

>> No.10047556

>>10047552

All they ever fucking talk about is Ghost Night Bride.

>> No.10047611

Can someone re-post the list with invites that don't expire?

>> No.10047665

>>10047552
Dream dresses die in Australia.

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>>10047366
Meme does not have a peepee and she lives in London you dumbasses.

>> No.10047675

>>10047553
Try submitting your username to the form I posted here >>10046289 if you feel like it. I can't assure you how people will behave but I also don't like constant shitposting and memes.

>> No.10047676

>>10047675
I would, but I don't like the idea of being stuffed into smaller groups. Why can't it just be open? Maybe have small member-capped rooms that people can join for smaller convos if they want, but keep a main room open where everyone is?

>> No.10047679

>>10046817
I've been out of touch with the discords for a while, but I thought she was just fine with the one and only vetted discord?

>>10046904
bees are literally the best, how dare you

>> No.10047686

>>10047673
Heshe once sent me a picture of their dick with the Bee movie script tattooed on the shaft. Tranny confirmed.

>> No.10047694

>>10047679
Honestly idk if they're a dedicated rper or what. I've never seen them post a coord on the vetting discord, but they seem to buy shit all the time. Like I doubt it's a power grab but I'm suss about their reasons for creating the new elite discord.

>> No.10047698

>>10047694
She’s posted coords before, there’s a search function on discord for that

>> No.10047730

>>10047694
I don't post my coords on the discord, is everyone who avoids adding their pictures to the cesspool a roleplayer now???

>> No.10047745

>>10047694
I've seen her irl and she forgot that she was wearing her fursuit head, because she says she feels so united with her furself that she didn't even feel or notice it. Of course it was a bee's head, too :/

>> No.10047747

>>10047745
I met her once irl, we went to a lunch meet. She ordered spaghetti and took out a bottle of honey from her purse and squeezed out half the bottle onto the spaghetti and started mixing it in. Nobody else batted an eyelash so I didn't say anything but what the fuck

>> No.10047748

>>10047745
I heard the body of her fursuit is an eight legged demonic porpoise??

>> No.10047760

>>10047745
I heard that her fursuit is to disguise the fact that she is actaully just a swarm of bees

>> No.10047762

does anyone know of an active invite to the vetted server? I am in the other one but it's mostly questions and I want more and i heard about that one, so may I try it? thanks!

>> No.10049679
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10049679

I am working on creating an (SFW) discord that aimed at people with interested in Anime, Lolita, Cosplay, J-fashion but also Fashion in general. Of course, any other topics are welcome!

The Discord will be aimed to create a very relaxed environment where people can share there ideas, tips & tricks, passions and maybe make some new friends with the same intrested!

The Lolita section will be vetted to ensure a safe environment where people can share all things Lolita related. (Not sure yet how vetted).

What do you guys & Girls think?

>> No.10049693 [DELETED] 

>>10049679

I think you using the British government's coat of arms is tacky as fuck.

>> No.10049697

>>10049679
I'm >>10046289 , so you're basically making the same server? Well anyway, I will contact the people who answered the form and let them know of your server so that they can join it if they want. Not going to create mine at this point, since people didn't like the idea of the private rooms and I don't want to make a duplicate of yours.

>> No.10049712

Everyone should join “the happy place”, it’s filled with lolita roleplayers, and the queen mod will ban you for saying anything she doesn’t agree with. I got banned so someone else go troll in my stead

>> No.10049717

>>10049712
link dudeee

>> No.10049720

>>10049717
Oops dropped it my b
https://discord.gg/c3kE5kS

>> No.10049746

>>10049697
Thats... not the same type of server at all. You want to cram 5 people in a room every now and again instead of let everyone be free to do as they wish.

>> No.10049785

Is there a Texas J-Fash discord?

>> No.10049806

>>10049679
If you're actually serious and not making a joke server then I'm interested

>> No.10049941

Can I get a new link to the vetted lolita discord?

>> No.10049948

>>10049941
no.

>> No.10049961

>>10049948
So what’s the point of this thread?

>> No.10049979

>>10049941
https://discord.gg/5dc7EZJ

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>>10049785
i'd be willing to create it honestly, or go in on it together, not many texas discords in general for communities/groups online

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>>10050032
decided to go ahead and make it
https://discord.gg/NGK3C3q

it's empty, but adding a bot or two and organizing channels

TX /cgl/ discord

>> No.10050064

>>10049785
I think there's a lolita one

>>10049961
well OP made the thread to shill their weirdass discord suggestion

>> No.10051062

https://discord.gg/Bc3yePa
Fairy kei discord server link

>> No.10051297

Is there a well-moderated lolita discord that requires applying members to submit 1-2 coord photos to keep the itas and rp’ers/wanna-bees out?

>> No.10051307

>>10051297
https://discord.gg/R652snx

>> No.10051475

I'm looking for a drama-free lolita server that would welcome a non-expert lolita (I'm not a newbie either though)

>> No.10051556

I'm interested in joining a calm and easy going server for intermediate level lolitas who also vape, anyone have a link?

>> No.10051588

>>10051556
Yeah good luck with that

>> No.10053277

anyone have a fa x cgl invite link?

>> No.10053513

>>10051307
>https://discord.gg/R652snx
link expired ): someone mind sharing again?

>> No.10053841

>>10053277
why do you want an invite to that place

>> No.10053859

>>10047611
J)Fashion Updates - https://discord.gg/Cepmcgq

Lolita Fashion Discord - https://discord.gg/Q3Q7CZy

Yasi's Sorority - https://discord.gg/ZhWputb

Akami Sally Server - https://discord.gg/NgcEeNj

Alternative Idols - https://discord.gg/KMsPRtS

Arashi Fans (Eng Lang) https://discord.gg/dx6gCsk

Codomomental Menhera Hospital - https://discord.gg/PrJ8ujN

Hello! Project Fans - https://discord.gg/M7zjxe5

Hey! Say! JUMP - https://discord.gg/HvmGh92

Jmusic - https://discord.gg/tssUBFY

Johnny's & Associates - https://discord.gg/f3wuRnY

Jpop - https://discord.gg/4tnqaXv

Niji No Conquistador - https://discord.gg/w8CqWS8

Ni Ji Masu's Beach - https://discord.gg/AbxbH5Q

Perfume - https://discord.gg/JbnwMSG

Shitao Miu World - https://discord.gg/cMZ8ffy

Takeuchi Miyu - https://discord.gg/pU6VHJ6

Wa-SpookedYa / The World Standard - https://discord.gg/va8QFtj

Nippon Idol Club - https://discord.gg/S9vxEcK

>> No.10053901

>>10053841
i deleted my old discord account.

>> No.10054053

>>10053277
sorry anon we dont have any active ones at the moment as the owner only likes to post an active invite every once in awhile and feel new people out.
>>10053901
id say if you know any of the mods just message them your old account and ask for an active invite

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>>10053277
don't go there, they banned me for being an affiliated moderator for a /r9k/ server, which wasn't even extream r9k stuff.

>> No.10054252

>>10054245
we banned you because you're a mod for a server full of pedos who want to fuck literal children

>> No.10054273

>>10054252
Yes, I was a mod but the rest of what you said wasn't true at all.

>> No.10054297

>>10053513
https://discord.gg/au25ZD note that it is not the lolita server mentioned here >>10053859

>> No.10054308

>>10054245
>>10054273
do you seriously not realize what's wrong with /r9k/? jfc

>> No.10054318

>>10054308
No, not really. I never went there before so I don't quite understand why everyone makes such a big fuss about it

>> No.10054371

>>10054245
Nice. That makes me want to join.

>> No.10054405

>>10053901
the place is dull and it's the same users reiterating same memes
half of them are not even into fashion

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10054875

-sips tea- I wish the servers gave me a chance and not insta kick/ban me.

>> No.10054966

flojojo is back at it again being a fucking disgusting abdl/ddlg and trying to be in lolita servers under different names

>> No.10055142

>>10054405
fishe

>> No.10055228

>>10054966
what came after horseloverfat?

>> No.10055245

>>10054875
Can you stop? You were modding a server that had pedoshit in it. Of course no one wants you and whining about it is just going to make people hate you more

>> No.10055251

>>10055245
>>10054875 and >>10054245 are different people. Unfortunately.

>>10054966
Ty for the heads up

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10056168

STOP KICKING ME, REEEEEE
I am active, I just don't feel like shitposting and only post if there's something I can help with.

>> No.10056177

>>10056168
Don't lurk then. We check to see when the last time you posted was and use that determine when you get pruned or not.

>> No.10056179

>>10056168
Literally same. The pruning rule is dumb anyway. If you get in, youre a lolita, ergo you should be welcome to stay

>> No.10056196

>>10056168
I just gave up on joining again and again. I'm not taking part in their boring conversations several times a week, only when I have something to talk about. I guess that's not enough to be allowed to stay. There are other, slower servers that don't kick me out.

>> No.10056212

>>10056177
Nah, it's fine. Feeling compelled to post low effort comments or having half assed conversations just to stay takes the fun out for me.

>>10056179
I don't get why it is necessary either. It's not like having a lot of members takes out bandwidth or something, is it?

>>10056196
Same. Can you recommend any slower servers?

>> No.10056300

>>10056212
No, it's just the one micromanaging autist mod who feels a need to exert control over everyone like that. Same mod who deletes whole swathes of conversations for no reason.

>> No.10056308

>>10056168
>>10056196
which server do you mean anons

>> No.10056310

>>10056212
See >>10053859

Here are two other servers
Lolita veterans - vetted
https://discord.gg/JRsKKye

Supposedly a lolita server? Not vetted
https://discord.gg/shCKgfD

>> No.10056326

>>10054318
>doesn’t understand
>mods /r9k
Normie get out REEEEEEEEEE

>> No.10056329
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>>10056310
Happy place is fucking cancerous. If you want to talk about a micromanaging autistic leader, look no father than Alda. She kicks people for being skinny, disagreeing with muh opinions, because your mental illnesses aren’t the same as others, etc. The server is run by a bunch of fatties who don’t wear lolita at all, yet think they’re qualified to give advice. Afaik Alda is the only one on the staff that even owns a dress. They also support replicas and will kick you for drama, so don’t even MENTION you visit CGL.

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>>10056329
it is. that discord chat is ran by Vice-Principal, Strong Woman

>> No.10056347

>>10056329
>>10056337
Yikes my bad, I'm not in it and just posted the link after finding it on Google. Good to know though...

>> No.10056357

>>10056329
yes, this is why everyone here should join it. Because Alda is a fkin POS who owns 1-2 dresses that she coords with a hideous cosplay wig. No one else wears lolita, they just circle jerk about being disabled

>> No.10056360

>>10056357
Join and mention how you fit into unshirred burando and can stand up from chairs without the use of a forklift

>> No.10056876

>>10056179
Agree, that rule is not only useless but also annoying as fuck. Is quality over quantity such a hard concept to grasp? Why should you force people to post when they have nothing worth to say... Is there a lolita server without this rule? I saw the veteran one but I'm not a veteran at all...

>> No.10056917

>>10053859
What is Yasi's Sorority, Menhera Hospital, and which fashions is J)Fashion Updates focused on?

>> No.10056931

>>10056300
>Same mod who deletes whole swathes of conversations for no reason.
Lmao and I thought it was some kind of bug. Because when I had to leave for a short while, like an hour, and scrolled up to find where I left the conversation it was gone. I didn't even see what the reply to me was. But that explains it. It's a shame, really.

>>10056308
The vetted lolita one.

>>10056310
Thank you, then I'll try the veteran server soon.

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>>10055142

>> No.10058407
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>>10054405
This. They bully newcomers, one guy starts it and than even the mods jump on it and ban you for the lulz. Retards.

>> No.10058588

>>10058407
you'll only get bullied if you're an rping crossboarder who's there to contribute nothing

>> No.10058598

>>10058407
Are you a boy or a girl?

>> No.10058605

>>10058588
How do you know?

>> No.10058685

Still looking for a lolita server that won't kick me due to inactivity nor require 10 coords as proof lol... is there any decent server come one gullsss

>> No.10058694

>>10058685
There's not. They all suck ass.

>> No.10058695

>>10058685
you don’t even have 10 coords?
you’re not a lolita

>> No.10058698

>>10058694
That's sad, well, at least there's /cgl/

>> No.10058704

>>10046289
You had me at this
>I was thinking about creating a (SFW) discord server aimed at people who feel lonely or would like to make new friends.
But lost me at
>It wouldn't be focused on lolita, cosplay, Japanese culture etc but it would be for people with these interests.
By gathering people interested in those things discussion will center around those topics no matter what, still a wholesome idea at it's core though.
I'm interested, but it says you closed your list so I guess I'm too late huh?

>> No.10058806

>>10058685
why do you want to be in a server if you don’t actually want to talk to people? if you just want to lurk then stay on /cgl/ or in the facebook groups

>> No.10060449

>>10058598
Yes

>> No.10062692

>>10053859
How difficult is it to assimilate into these groups as a loner and pretty much a noob?
I've worn jfashion for years and feel I have a decent wardrobe, but I'm finally feeling comfortable with trying to network within the community.
I have friends, and leave my house and such, just very much lacking in friends who are actually interested in jfashion and lolita.

>> No.10062703

>>10062692
dont get your hopes up about finding cool people in a 4chan discord. unless you're the kind of person who repeats all of the bullshit you read on this site to everyone you know.

>> No.10062709

>>10062703
I just want to find people interested in jfashion I can actually talk to since every meetup I've been to has been kinda awkward, my local community is kinda cliquey and it seems like the only girls allowed to really speak in conversations amongst the group can because they're active in the online community and have something to talk about
Like I said I have friends, but none of them are into fashion so I'm at a loss

>> No.10063070

>>10062692
I've been in the vetted discord for a while now-- I feel like we are always adding new cool people into the fold. You just have to be active and not fucking retarded, really. It's a tall order, I know.

>> No.10063083

>>10063070
Fuck off with your elitism.

>> No.10063156 [DELETED] 

Toddler Telekinesis chan joined the old school discord I am in ew ew ew

>> No.10063360
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10063360

Does anyone have a link to the /cgl/ + /fa/ discord?

>> No.10063369

>>10063360
Merry Christmas, anon! Please see >>10054053
We have no active invites right now, please check back later. I'm sure we will open up again sometime soon.

>> No.10063398

>>10063369
just post a link fag. your server is barely about fashion and lolita to begin with.

>> No.10063432

>>10063398
Sorry, no pedophiles allowed.

>> No.10063443

>>10063432
ironic considering how many of your members cant help themselves with posting loli porn in your server.

>> No.10063446

>>10063443
the server is sfw but nice pulling that out of your ass
still not gonna let some pedo who brags about soliciting nudes from teens in

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>>10054245
>Server posts and promotes self harm
>Verified by literally cutting other server member's names into their body as promised in exchange for nudes
>Tons of "my nephew is prime age for HRT, I think I'm going to spike his drinks and post results" posts made
>Whenever someone says they're underrage they get a flock of orbiting
>"I modded this server and have no idea what's wrong with this."

Yikes.

>> No.10063490

>>10063360
>>10053277
Merry Christmas: https://discord.gg/4tpKkk

>> No.10063715

>>10063443
they post loli and talk about sexual abuse a lot
also there are few 40 years old creeps and sissies in there

>> No.10063729

>>10063715
lol post screencaps

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>>10063729
:^)

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>>10063748
>>10063715
>>10063443

Jesus christ look at these fucking animals

>> No.10063751

>>10063750
>>10063748
OH NO, SOMEONE CALL THE FBI

>> No.10063752

>>10063750
>>10063748
omg no please no someone tell me this isnt real.,

>> No.10063754

>>10063752
too bad.. it's real, all of it: the piss, the big black cock, the diaper..
this is dark christmas

>> No.10063756

>>10063754
damn this is a sexy discord server, i want to join now

>> No.10063757

>>10063756
sure you can join, just have to pass the in-person penis inspection

>> No.10063758

>>10063756
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8I0yK9X_yY
you need to sing this song to me and do a dance

>> No.10063848

>>10063748
That's hot. Someone link me

>> No.10063902

>>10063848

See:
>>10063490

>> No.10064008

>>10054318
read the post below. theres a lot of pedo boards on r9k, and its honestly just fucked. delete the server, plz
>> 10063474

>> No.10069736

Did the gull veteran Discord get deleted?

>> No.10069794

>>10063715
Just think about how many sissy/daddies come to cgl, blend in, and get as many (you)s from lolitas as possible to use as inspiration for their fantasies :)

>> No.10069823 [DELETED] 

>>10069736

Either that or they kicked us both out.

Kind of sucks because it could have been good but then the shitshow started.

>> No.10070198

>>10069736
Came here to ask this

>> No.10070202

>>10069736
No one ever posted, so it's not like it's a loss

>> No.10070230

>>10069823
what shitshow?

>> No.10070309

>>10070202
Yeah I guess so, but I kind of wish people had. It's hard to respond if the conversation already passed.

>> No.10070359

I hope I can post this here. Instagram pod for (mainly) cosplay and jfashion, based on discord:

>https://discord.gg/XF8h6pn

There are already 10+ people in but nobody is posting because we're still too few. I hope we can get someone else to join (: loose vetting, no welcoming message, lurkers are not kicked.

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We have a smol LARME discord!
discord.gg/xva78yR

A gull told me the invite expired, but it seems like it still works for me? Can anyone confirm?

>> No.10070869

do literally all the mods of The Happy Place have direct messages blocked? I've literally never talked to any of these people before but I can't post in the introductions, nor can I pm them for assistance. Do I just like?? Wait??

>> No.10070971

>>10070359
what is a pod for

>> No.10070985

The link to the lolita discord is expired, can someone make a new one?

>> No.10071076

>>10070971
It's a group of people with similar interests that mutually like/comment their posts. In this pod you have to like/comment 5 pics before you can submit yours and after that you will receive 5 likes/comments.

>> No.10071184

>>10071076
Is this actually a good way to meet people and get relevant, thoughtful comments? cause it kinda sounds like you'd just get a bunch of insincere comments so people can get theirs.

Also, does anyone have a good follower tracker app or something of the sort? Ideally I want to be notified if someone follow/unfollows me, I'm sick of giving people the benefit of the doubt and following them back only for them to unfollow me later. It's so annoying and I hate people who do it.

>> No.10071191

>>10071184
>Is this actually a good way to meet people and get relevant, thoughtful comments?
In my experience it is. Of course you'll still have some member doing the bare minimum but if all share a common interests it's also easy to get nice comments and make friends.

> does anyone have a good follower tracker app or something of the sort?
I'm also interested, but I think almost all instagram apps suck, don't work, stop working, are paid or even scam.

>> No.10071243

did something happen to the lolita vetted server or did i get kicked..

>> No.10071254

>>10071243
Probably kicked for inactivity, just rejoin

>> No.10078746

>>10047552
Australia is the enemy of this board.

>> No.10079218

I wish Kindi was still in the discord. I guess I'll never get qt femboi bf.

>> No.10079271 [DELETED] 

>>10079218
i think the word "femboi" was stretching it. "basedboy" is better.

he has an IG account that you can follow: kindland_

>> No.10079274

>>10079218
i think the word "femboi" was stretching it. "onions boy" is better.

he has an IG account that you can follow: kindland_

>> No.10079276

>>10079274
i guess we're word filtering onions now huh

>> No.10079278

I recommend the Yandere Lolita Discord, it is public so anyone can join.

>> No.10079281

>>10079274
Oh yeah, he's definitely soiboi but I'll make him twin with me whether he likes it or not. He'll be my femboi.

>> No.10079338

>>10079278
I thought that server got shut down long ago for breaching several discord tos rules

>> No.10080846

>>10079278
I joined it because I was curious (link found on reddit if anyone cares https://discord.gg/6PBgmv3 ) and it doesn't seem too bad... but where is the lolita content? I had hoped it had at least some

>> No.10081207

>>10080846
from the name it's evident that this server is not about but about thirsty orbiters trying to get crazy anime gf

>> No.10081345

Did I get booted from the veterans discord or is it actually deleted

>> No.10081349

>>10081345
Deleted.

>> No.10081352

>>10081349
Oh why what happened? It seemed OK, just dead quiet. I don't remember any discussion about it being deleted either

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>>10081352
>>10081349
>>10081345

I'm guessing because no one posted. There was a bit of drama around mods not posting coordinates in the cgl thread, then one of the mods showed up and had this response. I don't think the post necessarily was the downfall of the discord, but it certainly didn't help. Some people posted coordinates afterwards, but again, it was pretty dead with no real conversation to keep it going. So eventually I guess they figured it wasn't worth it and deleted it.

>> No.10082830

>>10081356
not surprised that elitist discord turned out silent and had retarded hissy fit mod

>> No.10082833 [DELETED] 

All women are whores.

>> No.10082858

>>10081356
There is not really a point to discords so hyper focused like that as we can get the discussion we need on /cgl/
A discord only about lolita and with only gulls what else can you talk about? New print? Well that already was disccussed on /cgl/ so what's the point

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>>10082833
then why none of them sleeps with you

>> No.10082919 [DELETED] 

>look at female
>looks decent on the outside
>remember shes a whore on the inside
>remember all women are whores
I should start shoulder checking women just to remind them off their place.

>> No.10082974 [DELETED] 

Any girl looking for a guy to abuse her?

I hear I'm really good at that!

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>>10081207
The mods are mostly female, surprisingly high number of girls offset by the equal number of autistic men.

>>10080846
Are you sure we're in the same place, anon? These people are beyond saving..

>> No.10083090

>>10083063
yeah I looked through introductions and was surprised with amount of underage users
I feel like it is not healthy for them to be around actual active users - this bunch is cringy to look at and they are completely unaware of how far up the ass they are

>> No.10083103

I want LEX!

>> No.10083388

Can anyone refresh the link to the /fa/ x /cgl/ discord or the vetted Lolita one?

>> No.10084278

a lolita discord- discord.gg/evW7YuC

vetting lolita discord - discord.gg/ZWQ6qq4

>> No.10085217

>>10083388
i need a facgl link too

>> No.10085691

>>10083388
>>10085217
if you know any user personally better ask them

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for any leafs here wanting to find a group for this years upcoming cons theres /cgl/Canada
https://discord.gg/RjPb4Y

no pedos or furries allowed though.

>> No.10088409

>>10085217
we full

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>>10088409

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>>10090109

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>>10083388
I second that notion.
>Sips tea

>> No.10092739

anyone willing to make a new fairy kei discord server that isn't full of 13 year olds posting their walmart coords?

>> No.10092740

>>10092739
Isn't that what fairy kei is tho

>> No.10092744

>>10092740
if you were to scroll through it for no more than five seconds you'd believe that to be true

>> No.10092749

>>10092744
Ok, sorry your fashion is dead and the only people still wearing it are 13 yr olds at walmart I guess

>> No.10094752

why anon says facgl is bad?

>> No.10094760

>>10094752

Spend five minutes there and find out for yourself.

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>>10094760

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>>10094760
post a link friend

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>>10095073
get cucked, leon is for claire

>> No.10095818

>>10079278
Wtf this discord gives me serious r9k vibes.

>> No.10096371

>>10095818
it's fucking pathetic dude - full of cringeworthy roleplaying autists with zero awareness

>> No.10096952

Is there a TERF/MERF Lolita Discord to join?

>> No.10096957

>>10096952
uh wtf is a terf merf

>> No.10096989

>>10096957
Trans exclusionary/Man exclusionary I assume.

>> No.10099142

>>10096957
same as hurr durr

>> No.10102593

>>10096952
Just go to /pol/, you'll feel right at home there

>> No.10102609

Why did owly get banned on all the discords?

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>>10102593
NPC spotted

>> No.10103075

>>10102609

Too fluffy.

>> No.10103108

>>10102593
>male exclusionary
>feminism
>/pol/
ah, yes, yes of course

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It's Valentine's day. Can someone pleaaaase post an invite link to the facgl discord?

>> No.10105596

>>10105469
cute pic but no

>> No.10105669

>>10105596
Gosh dang it let me back in I am bored. I need your guys hate to fuel my life. I swear I have changed.

>> No.10105678

>>10105469
Seconding this. I want to be boned by Lex hard. Does he like goth lolita? Please say yes.

>> No.10105775

>>10105678
Ew you got no taste

>> No.10105900

>>10105669
the_engie, in order to join facgl, you must pay us 2k/month.

>> No.10105958

>>10105669
-sips your tears-
fuck off

>>10105678
who

>>10105775
wtf you broken or smth

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>>10105900
2k a month do you guys take yen? Lol

>>10105958
Still bad taste, also sweet > goth

>> No.10106233

>>10106156
USD or CHF only

>> No.10107090

Now that Discord added the server discovery/search tab, prepare for everyone and their mom to find your servers.

>> No.10107517

>>10107090
That's old you can only search public ones. That function has been there like a year ago was web base only.

>> No.10107529

>>10107090
Huh? I don't see it

>> No.10107547 [DELETED] 

>>10107517
Funny enough I can find most of the servers mentioned here.

>> No.10107559

>>10107517
They announced to change that tho.
>>10107529
It's the new magnifying glass tab, still rolling out.

>> No.10107670

>>10087966
Expired invite. Mind sending another one?

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>>10107670
what's the point? even if you will join, for what reason? it's just people judging to feel superior about themselves or backpat each other to cement their delusions.. no meaningful interactions on discord just shallow meme posting and facebook spam
let me present you a better alternative, go out and be soical and make real friends who will not leave you on a whim, only reall comm is worth investing in

>> No.10107784

>>10107724
What. Do you even irl

>> No.10111003

hi is there someone/a discord server thats open to talking about cosplay with a newbie?? i really want to start but i feel discouraged because my irl friends would totally find it weird... interested in talking to other people who do it for perspective and stuff :)

>> No.10111719

>>10047673
if u have peepee u r boy :)

>> No.10112047

>>10111719
what if you have a poopoo..

>> No.10113942

>>10112047
ha

>> No.10114570

Owly stop bitching about getting banned from all these discords for pity. You know what you did was wrong.

>> No.10115457

>>10114570
Imagine getting blown up for being twofaced, then trying to go behind people's backs to pin it on them, getting caught, and banned from MORE groups as a result? How do you fuck up this badly

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/TAXmSh

Try this server, general kind of cosplay discussion, con meetups, costume advice, ogling cute pictures of each other etc etc

>> No.10116160

>>10115457
Ita woman with a personality to match.

>> No.10116167

>>10114570
I'm not owly, I want to know what she did wrong. I liked talking to her and she seemed nice, that's what made me wonder.

>> No.10116219

>>10116167
She was a two-faced bitch. She got caught being a two-faced bitch.

>> No.10116222

>>10116219
How?

>> No.10116230

>>10116222
She got banned from 2 or 3 discords iirc for screenshotting things and posting people on cgl. She's a snake basically.

>> No.10116259

>>10116230
>2 or 3 discords

That's rough. All at once for the same thing or did she do something else?

>> No.10116265

>>10116230
How do you know that's her who posted? Did she include her name in the screens?

>> No.10116330 [DELETED] 

>>10116259
Not at once, she got banned from one then tried to convince the mod of another to ban one of the people who blew her up in Discord A, and it backfired and made her look more sus so she got banned from Discord B too. I think she's also barred from a separate group with ties to Discord A.
>>10116265
I mean... she posted the caps in one of the 3 discords she got banned from, expecting no one else to be in both. She literally owned up to it where she thought no one would see.

>> No.10116458

>>10116265
She actually openly admitted it all in a last ditch effort to try to get unbanned, acting fake apologetic

>> No.10116534

i miss forcedmeme

>> No.10116565

>>10116534

I want to lick forcedmeme's toes.

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>>10116565

>> No.10116902

>>10107670
sure
https://discord.gg/GmZbMVh
>>10107724
you need to find better discords or better yet, IRC channels

>> No.10116909

>>10116565
I bet her feet are really hairy

>> No.10117162

>>10116534
me too but unironically
shame she is autistic

>> No.10117231

i heard forcedmeme got forced into trafficking and wasn't able to take any of her brand with her.

>> No.10117401

every meet I saw forcedmeme at, she always carried a cabbage patch kids doll around and reserved its own seat for it and constantly referred to it as "Mother Dearest". I was really uncomfortable but since i was new and no one else said anything i didn't feel like i should speak up, but what the hell man

>> No.10117410

>>10117401
I mean, I guess I appreciated that she always had it wearing outfits that matched her coord, thematically or colorwise or both. It could be worse, she could be into BJDS

>> No.10117418

>>10117410
Wait, forcedmeme is a she?? They had a distinctive 5 o’clock shadow last time she attended a meet

>> No.10117458

>>10117418
she's just really hair for a girl. she thinks it's cute. she calls it "bee fuzz".

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>>10117458

>> No.10117730

How is this thread allowed?

>> No.10117864

>>10117730
found the butt hurt roastie

>> No.10117982

Discord full of cute cosplayers
https://discord.gg/Vb2FYCX

>> No.10118484

>>10117982
sorry invite expired
https://discord.gg/FmV3Sf

>> No.10118488

>>10117982

IT'S A TRICK. IT'S FULL OF DISCORD TRANNIES.

>> No.10118503

>>10118488
gasp! trannies!

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>>10118503
I hate them! they kill dogs..

>> No.10121088

>>10116052
I got kicked for no reason or did someone deleted the server?

>> No.10121109

>>10116534
Where did she go?

>> No.10121110

>>10121109

Fucking Australia.

>> No.10121137

>>10121110
Shittttt. They don't have discord down under

>> No.10123270

Thinking of creating a SFW NYC/East Coast based server that focuses on friends/meetups/cons. The city is big and it can get lonely if you don't know anyone here. Channels for weeb shit, cosplay, and jfashion will be included.

Only qualification is that you're in the NYC area or travel to NYC frequently. I'd like this to be a place where we can all hang out at Kinokuniya or meet up at Sakura Matsuri.

Will post the link when the server is set up.

>> No.10123284

>>10123270
i'd join

>> No.10123598

Do we have a gyaru discord?

>> No.10124235

Does a menhera server exist? Anyone have an invite link

>> No.10124245

>>10063758
I really want to join, almost enough to do that.

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>>10124245

>> No.10124381

I MISS KINDI

>> No.10124388

>>10124381
we all do....

>> No.10124425

>>10124235
google is your friend

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>>10124425
Yeah, I found a menhera-chan fanserver, some general discussion server that allowed talk abt jfashion too and some weird test server that had menhera tag for some reason. There was an amino post that seemed to be about a menhera discord server but the post had been deleted or something.

So yeah thanks for your advice, already tried that and it didn't work.

>> No.10124812

Does anyone have a link to the vetted lolita discord, i heard they have an updates channel

>> No.10124890

>>10124812
You're better off just following lolita updates on FB.

>> No.10124905

>>10124381
nah

>> No.10125059

>>10124890
Not interested in bumped threads and taobao meme shit.

>> No.10125085

>>10124440
Did you bother looking at fym considering it should be in the top for the search results because there is a discord server listed in its navigation

>> No.10130142

can we talk about the lolita discord being transphobic?

>> No.10130149

>>10130142
What happened this time

>> No.10130150

>>10130142
unless you're someone from that server, I just want to say that your entire personality is based around being fat, gay, transgender and disabled and that's all you ever talked about so good riddance. idgaf about someone being transgender but you're obnoxious as fuck

>> No.10130159

>>10130142
If you think coming to 4chan to get sympathy for "transphobia" is a good idea you are terribly mistaken.

>> No.10130171

>>10130142
>>10130149
oh ffs. here's the story said in as pc friendly terms as possible. an afab pre transition genderqueer requested and received access to the brolita channel. then talked about how hard it was to bind their breasts. the brolita channel is really for male bodied people of any gender to talk about issues specifically related to presenting/fitting into lolita fashion. a mod removed their access from the brolita channel, because talking about issues specifically related to female bodies isn't relevant to that channel. user got pissed and flounced declaring the whole server transphobic. the end.

>> No.10130173

>>10130171
based. i would have been much harsher in my wording, but you hit it right on the head.

>> No.10130175

>>10130173
its so dumb i can't stand it. like no one saying you cant be genderfluidqueerspecialwhatever but your particular body issues dont fit with that channel. im like i guess they could name the channel issuesforpeoplewithmalebodyparts but thats just cumbersome and most people arent 100% stupid and can deduce thats what brolita is for.

>> No.10130215

>>10130142
for fuck’s sake, multiple people tried to clear things up but you just went “this is ridiculous!!!1!!1!1” and flounced like a fucking baby. no one was saying trans men can’t be brolitas. have fun in the burning shithole of the happy place. you’ll never get any advice that will help you improve there, it’s just a circlejerk of people whining about elitist bullies that don’t exist.

>> No.10130252

>>10130171
nah man its better than that
snowflake 1 is the afab gender queer talking about their breasts in the brolita channel. mods removed the brolita role and they later left the server of their own volition.
over a month later, special snowflake #2, as seen in >>10130142 strolls in, backreads the brolita channel, decides the entire server is transphobic, vaugeposts about it on a public facebook group, gets mad when a mod brings up that if someone has an issue with how the server is run message a mod, there was a lot of back in forth with two people of the mod team trying to sort out what tf they’re upset about, they cried that everyone was rediculous, and flounced from the server
later they started a witch hunt in the fb group they originally posted in & apparently tried to gain sympathy posting here? rest in piece

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>>10046289
>The form (ノヮ)ノ is no longer accepting responses.
Try contacting the owner of the form if you think this is a mistake.

>> No.10130263

>>10130215
anyone have a link to the happy place?

>> No.10130302

>>10130263
why in gods name would you want to join that server

anyways, they recently “closed public invites” so i don’t think anyone new can get in

>> No.10130392

>>10130252
Namedrop please.

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https://discord.gg/Pq7NcV
Lolita maid roleplay server must own tabletop simulator and create a character sheet to join.

>> No.10130412

>>10130142
tran is mentally ill haha... die

>> No.10130424

>>10130398
What the fuck. I'd say go back to /tg/ but I bet your degenerate asses got laughed off the board.

>> No.10130470

>>10130392
both of them are total nobodies without a full coord yet. at this point i doubt they’ll ever get one. don’t think names will help you find anything about them

>> No.10130514

What's the deal with Lala? She's so salty and nitpicky but does she even wear lolita?

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>>10130142
Fuck off, sissy.

>> No.10130521

I was aiming for Kindi but he's old news now that he's back in the server. Is Phorni single now? Unless Lex is open to dating a goth lolita.

>> No.10130524

>>10130514
she's posted herself wearing lolita in the discord. use the search function

>> No.10130537

>>10130514
I heard her and meme have tea parties together where they take turns peeing in tea cups to serve each other!

Disgusting!

>> No.10130553 [DELETED] 

>>10130519
TERFs deserve the rope.

>> No.10130578

>>10130521
Shit taste

>> No.10130580

>>10130537
Hi meme I meant that question. You were funny but she always seemed like a bitch

>>10130524
I got booted for inactivity in December but I still remember her stank attitude

>> No.10130581 [DELETED] 

>>10130553
This kind of male violence is why we don’t want you around us, whether or not you’re wearing panties and lipstick.

>> No.10130582 [DELETED] 

>>10130553
This is exactly why people hate trannies.

>> No.10130583

>>10130142
Which one tho

>> No.10130585

>>10130142
You're in the wrong discord then sweetie

>> No.10130588 [DELETED] 

>>10130553
That's funny, cause most trannies seem to agree that they deserve the rope if I'm looking at these post op suicide rates properly. Projection?

>> No.10130632 [DELETED] 

>>10130553
this is why people hate trannies. i have never seen a “terf” wish violence on a troon other than the ones that are pedos or have attacked/raped people, while trannies constantly talk about brutally murdering women just because they don’t want trans “women” in female only spaces

>> No.10130634 [DELETED] 

>>10130581
>>10130582
>>10130588
When you treat us like this is it an surprise we want to round you up for slaughter like the animals you are? Your opinions are already outdated, dinosaurs. Transphobia is this generation's racism, keep up on that blackface.

>> No.10130638

>>10130634
Blah blah blah keyboard warrior.

>> No.10130642 [DELETED] 

>>10130634
>transphobia is this generation's racism
>implying racism is over
trannies really are selfish and disgusting. you realize the only reason women are afraid of you is because you're violent, hideous men, right? you're no different than mras that wish death on women

>> No.10130646

>>10130514
Lala is actually just 20 lizards in a dress. You should pay more attention

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>>10130634
Shut the fuck up you transvestite nigger.

>> No.10130657

>>10130514
the first time i met lala she opened her mouth and a flock of birds flew out

>> No.10130658 [DELETED] 

>>10130634
>comparing discrimination against a persons perceived race to society not entertaining the fantasy of a autogynephilic man in an Ali express wig.

kek.

>> No.10130670 [DELETED] 

>>10130642
Sorry but I'm short, smooth, and soft, and the only violence I ever want to call for is against TERF scum like yourself.

>> No.10130671 [DELETED] 

>>10130670
if you’re the leo that flounced from the discord you aren’t smooth
your makeup is CRUSTYYYYYY

>> No.10130674 [DELETED] 

>>10130670
>Sorry but I'm short, smooth, and soft
Yeah and you still look like a man in a dress

>the only violence I ever want to call for is against TERF scum like yourself.
Not even the men who are the ones actually murdering trannies and making laws against them? Delusional. You really are mras, you hate women so much you want to kill them instead of the other men who can actually control your lives

>> No.10130678 [DELETED] 

>>10130671
He needs to spend money on his teeth not lolita

>> No.10130680 [DELETED] 

>>10130678
or at least wipe the lipstick off of them

>> No.10130682 [DELETED] 

>>10130678
And a wheelchair instead of begging for one on his GoFundMe

>> No.10130685 [DELETED] 

>>10130682
I mean he probably could have if he didn’t just spend $300+ on stuff for a con.... what are priorities?

>> No.10130688 [DELETED] 

>>10130685
why doesn't he just identify as an ablebodied person? then he wouldn't need a wheelchair if he imagines he doesn't.

>> No.10130693 [DELETED] 

>>10130670
Would you like that on your gravestone after your eventual suicide in <5 years?

>> No.10130700 [DELETED] 

Thanks everyone, for proving that TERFs are just hate filled monsters who are today's KKK against the trans community.

>> No.10130701 [DELETED] 

>>10130700
>today's KKK against the trans community
Because WOMEN are physically attacking transpeople and killing them? Are you referring to MEN? Just admit you hate women and get over yourself.

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>>10130654
Cool.

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>>10130634

>> No.10130755 [DELETED] 

>>10130701
I find that women like me are only attacked by TERFs like you. Other people are indifferent but you're all animals.

>> No.10130767 [DELETED] 

>>10130755
The fact that you think that you, as a ~~woman,~~ are more threatened by meanie girls’ online comments than by physical threats from men shows how unbridgeably far you are from understanding the reality of the female experience.

>> No.10130770

can this thread just get nuked already?

>>10130553
>>10130634
>>10130755
is clearly not even the person involved in this shit fest, since the person who flounced from the server is a trans guy. probably just a troll trying to stir more shit. this whole thread is a mess

>> No.10130771

>>10130770
But then how will I get Lex's love?

>> No.10130773

>>10130755
This is definitely a cis dude larping. No trans woman would say that being murdered by men isn't a bigger threat than keyboard warrior terfs.

This thread has been a shitshow since the start, so glad it's in autosage now

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>>10130770
>>10130773

Good to know that there are people with hopes, even tho real life is grimmer then they realize. There are people that are crazy just remember not everyone is laring irl or on the net. Don't want you guys to get attack by crazy and be cautious. Not everyone looks/lifes on the bright side.
-sips drink-

>> No.10132077

>>10130771
Fuck off bitch! He is mine

>> No.10132368

I would like to join a jfashion/lolita discord, send invites!

>> No.10132458

As a head's up, apparently Discord is banning accounts and deleting servers that are linked on 4chan. Started with them banning sharings of the church shooting videos and memes but I guess they decided to just go full tinfoil hat mode.

>> No.10132526

>>10132458
bs

>> No.10132537

>>10131351
what are you even saying?

i'm >>10130770 and all i'm saying is that >>10130142 and the person shitting up the thread later are two different people and the second person probably isn't even relevant to the situation

>> No.10133486

I got kicked from the fa/cgl discord :(

>> No.10133490

>>10133486
Whomst

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>>10063490
Is there a new fa/cgl server link btw?

>> No.10135369

>>10135326
i can get you in but it's going to take a long ass time. i'm talking weeks or even months.

>> No.10135726

>>10135326
900 USD

>> No.10135735

>>10135726
$30

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>>10135369
I can wait lol idm, thanks

>> No.10136125

yo did something happen to the fa/cgl discord or did I just get booted out? I’ve been inactive for a while and when I went to check on it today in my chats it was missing

>> No.10136144

>>10136125
clearing randos

>> No.10136163

>>10136144
Damn, must be because I was gone for a while then. Any chance anyone has a link so I can rejoin?

>> No.10136207

Why are anons so thirsty for the facgl server? It's not relevant to this board. There were no cosplayers iirc and little lolita discussion. Just a bunch of awkward rick Owen guys trying to make lolitas their ~~effay gf~~

>> No.10136210

>>10130142
Can we ban tranny sympathisers from lolita?

>> No.10136230

>>10136210
Then the ita threads would be boring

>> No.10136276

>>10136207
From this thread it seems more like lolitas trying to make Rick owen guys their ~~effay bf~~

>> No.10136492

>>10136144
That's annoying. I was always a lurker and only cared about their egl discussion. But whatever. I get booted from every server because of inactivity.

>> No.10136528

>>10136276
Cry harder meme

>> No.10136608

>>10136492
should have participated in the egl discussion then

>> No.10137022

>>10132537
Your IQ cant comprehend what I am saying cuz the original post got deleted which I was quoting.
-Sips tea-

>> No.10137612

>>10137022
what are archives

anyways, people probably can't comprehend you because your english fucking sucks

>> No.10137647

>>10136207
Because it's the only server that has *soul*

>> No.10137715

https://discord.gg/Q3Q7CZy

>> No.10138847

>>10136608
Too bad in not in the same time zone as the people having conversations. It's weird to reply to a conversation 10 hours ago. Not to mention no one will respond.

>> No.10138866

>>10138847
Not really. You sound whiny.

>> No.10143443

>>10138847
why not to talk, place has a lot of great people
it's good autism filter - if you are dumb ass motherfucker of a bitch you would not integrate or leave