/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Sometimes when I dress up, I strike magical girl transformation poses and gestures. I almost exclusively wear gothic, but it can't be helped.

Seeing an ita coord pic in an LM listing makes me way more likely to buy a dress because I want to do it justice. On the other hand seeing a truly beautiful coord makes me too intimidated to buy the dress.

>>9906853
I am the opposite, I won't buy from an ita much because I fear she doesn't take good care of her clothes.

I still make and read lolita secrets. I wish more people still did them.

I think people like C are awful. I'm poor, I grew up rough. But I work very hard for my brand, even if it's secondhand. I make sure I pay my bills and take care of my shit first, and she makes poor lolitas who are really trying to budget and look out together look bad. I hope she gets help and understands she can't get sympathy for being poor, we were never granted that privilege.

>>9906857
same

>>9906850
I do this too. lol. or sometimes some odd idol-chunni sort of crap.

>>9906867
chunni?

Sometimes I like taobao dresses more than brand. A lot of taobao shops seem to be branching out with creativity and the quality isn’t too bad for the price. You just have to know which shops to avoid.

>>9906891
>chunni
autocorrect messed it up, I meant chuuni, as in chuunibyou

>>9906896
Is there a guide? I’d like to get into some taobao things but even though I know I can research a shopping service ok, it’s confusing which brands will have good fabric and consistent, reliable sizing.

>>9906901
>consistent, reliable
none

I think underskirts with sweet dresses look completely off aesthetic wise, unless maybe its a solid dress. Even if you are tall something just looks wrong about them.

>>9906908
Really depends on the amount of rows of lace for me, 2 tends to be my limit.

>>9906865
C as in BLM-chan? That girl ain’t poor. She just says she is for sympathy points. All the tumblr sjws paint them selves like paupers to justify their shitty behaviors.

>>9906913
Me me even more mad LMAO

>>9906906
So you just guess and hit it if you are within the size range and hope the fit is close? I’ve looked at reviews but even for the same item, reviews can be very mixed and it’s obvious a lot of people have widely varied ideas on what ‘decent fabric’ means.

>>9906908
Same

>>9906908
I like them. The solid colors balance the print and the whole look combats the frizzy chubby baby look that’s too common in sweet.
Different is good.

>>9907009
>Different is good.
You say this as if underskirts don't get worn under every too-short dress, even if it makes them look like shit. Girls think it's an instant solution when in reality it really depends on how you wear it and what you wear it with. It creates a boring unified look, and at this point there's nothing different about it.

>>9907027
Boring coord that is just fine beats ‘too much thigh and ass hanging out of a too short dress’ which is often the other choice. I also like them because they tone down the busy diabetes of an otherwise fully sweet coord and skew it more towards a classic look. I don’t *expect* sugar-chans to like it much but I prefer it for myself.

Don’t like it? Very simple, don’t wear it. But why be mad if someone else wants to?

>>9906901
>>9906915

nayrt, but honestly taobao shops are pretty inconsistent. I've got good stuff from Dear Celine, R-Series, Amastacia, Yolanda, various brands -- but I also have a Dear Celine blouse that sucks (rough material, mismatched whites, cheapskate one-sided satin ribbon that curled up and died upon being washed), two R-Series blouses that are two different sizes (both are L size, but one is too big and the other too small. Both were bought based off the same measurement table. idk), there's a shop where a friend bought the exact same dress I already bought on first release, the second release used much crappier fabric that wrinkles if you so much as look at it. Lots of stories like these, just different shops being awesome with one release and borderline sketch with another.

It's what the other anon said, you can basically tell what shops you want to AVOID, like if the body of a dress already looks like a tube being laid out flat (no matter what it looks like on the model -- always assume all taobao sales photos are shooped so much granny wouldn't recognise her own granddaughter in them), or the dresses look anime-inspired, or the shop doesn't have near-perfect ratings. And never go too old, a lot of taobao shops suck when they first start out, a fair number get better over time, but their old stock with all their old funky sewing are usually still sitting around in their shop, waiting to be sold to some poor unsuspecting buyer.

If you go in with low expectations you'll probably find something that you like, and it also helps if you're a bit of a conlita, the most common thing about taobao is either it looks good but the shortcut is in the quality of the fabric, or the fabric is actually decent but it's something you'll end up ironing forever. I mostly keep my taobao clothes for meetups and fall back on burando for daily wear, it usually looks better with less effort and is quality enough that it can withstand being worn daily like normal clothes.

>>9906838
This is a secret more than a confession, I guess:
Hey you sweaty betties who cry about the heat and sweating in your brand in summer,
PLEASE CLEAN YOUR CLOTHES MORE!
You smell. And that’s not lovely at all.

Confession: I hate rich Asian brand itas more than I hate anything. You have tons of money, you’re petite, people will find you naturally cute, you buy every new release, and yet somehow you can’t be arsed to make a coord that isn’t just your jsk with bare shoulders and flats? It’s headache-inducing and i wanted to rant about it, i know it’s considered a fast fashion, it just frustrates me that I put time and love into my dresses and coords while someone who owns so many beautiful dresses could give a shit less.

>>9907036
If a dress is too short it's better to alter it or wear something else. Stuffing an underskirt under everything without any distinction or care looks like garbage, and yes I do care because it makes the fashion as a whole look like shit.
I don't hate all underskirts, they can be super nice and I wear them too; but I try them on before going out to make sure they actually look good with what I had in mind. Many people don't take the time to make sure they actually look good, they just wear this shit and go out. If you don't give a shit about aesthetics in a fashion-based subculture then it's probably not the scene for you.

>>9907046
To add insult to injury, they go lots of elegant places, have a carefree fun time with friends and eat lots of cake. Scandalous!

Unlike you, they inspire me to get good and up my lifestyle game.

>>9907061
Still wearing my underskirt. Wearing it tomorrow too just to prove the point. I’m sure your own look is not so flawless that you can afford all this time to critique others. tall girls who like sweet will always underskirt. Can’t stop them.

>>9907068
I didn't tell you not to wear underskirts at all, you mong. Just make sure they actually look nice before you stuff them under your ill fitting AP.

>>9907071
Sorry you are so salty shortie-cakes, post something you think looks good with a short sweet dress for a 170cm gal and I’ll try to do my best, hows that?

>>9907075
Here are a few tips that might be helpful:
Three tiers of chiffon peeking under a dress with tulle lace at the hem usually don't look good. If your dress has lace at the hem, it's better to look for an underskirt with lace that at least matches in type and color (tulle lace with tulle lace, eyelet with eyelet, etc.). AP have made underskirts like this iirc, they just call them long petticoats.
Also, like another anon said up thread, two ruffles tend to look better; three or four is overkill. Imo it's better to have a dress that's a little bit too short and wear it with OTKs, than have four tiers of ruffles peeking; the latter only emphasizes the fact your dress is too short for you.

Confession: Witnessing other Lolitas fawn over one Lolita who buys her brand through dick sucking. It would not bother me so much except for the fact she befriends every person on Facebook and has been cheating on her boyfriend.

>>9907083
Why are you telling us instead of her boyfriend?

>>9907080
Aha, see now that’s helpful. A 2 tier similar lace style underskirt won’t be that hard to manage, I’ll try it.

>>9907092
Sorry about the salt before, I'll readily admit I was venting some unrelated frustration. It's not personal but you still didn't deserve it, I'm sorry. I hope the tips help you though.

You can wear whatever the fuck you like, however the fuck you like but expect to be nitpicked to death if its not balanced & beautiful.

Cgl is apparently saturated with moaning classic chans bitter that their burando is less popular.

Taobao isn't lolita. Its a fast fashion approximation.

Cheap shoes & bags will always look awful.

Lifestyle is for poorfags.

>>9907099
>Lifestyle is for poorfags
Explain? Incorporating lolita-inspired things in your everyday life can be quite expensive, especially if you decorate your room/house to suit the aesthetic. Lolita at heart ≠ lifestyle lolita.

>>9907099
Thinking all lolita isn’t just a niche type of fast fashion. Kek. Someone doesn’t know squat about actual couture.

The biggest luxury of all is time and the ability to do what you want daily.

>>9907106
>all lolita is just a niche type of fast fashion
>10+ year old dresses circulating the market, still being worn and maintain their pristine condition = fast fashion
I'm not saying lolita is equivalent to couture but, really?

>>9907109
What it is designed as isn’t always what it ends up being. It has to do with construction, sourcing and marketing. Cherishing decades old serged synthetic blend screen printed dresses is just a dumb weird thing WE do.

>>9907114
...Most 10+ year old dresses are solid colored, and if they're printed they're still all cotton. Sorry anon, you may know couture but seems like you don't know anything about lolita.

>>9907095
NP, it’s the confession thread after all! And thanks for the tip, I now have a new underskirt quest.

>>9907068
I prever peeking bloomers, but to each their own. I dislike the way underskirts look with dresses that are too short~ most people don't really match the underskirt with the dress's hem very well and you'll have some random row of lace followed by bunches of chiffon ruffles that don't match at all. Not all, of course, but quite a few.

>>9907114
Fast fashion typically doesn't last a year, because it's not meant to. It is what it sounds like; it provides fast and cheap trendy clothes that last about as long as the actual trends, which usually die out just in time for a new collection of cheap garbage to be in stock.
Lolita might not be made to last more than 30 years, it probably won't hold up for a century; but it's not fast fashion, far from it.

>>9907114
all of my old screen prints are cotton anon. Are you even a lolita?

>>9907116
Sorry, I’m looking at synthetic blend prints that old sitting in my own closet as my examples. I love lolita but I don’t put on snooty airs about it thinking it’s something greater than what it actually is. And for many of us it is fun everyday wear that we collect, not some snowflake dress we only wear sometimes.

>>9907120
I’m thinking I’ll get long bloomers too, so cool, 2 tips for my shopping list tonight. I should come on late more often, maybe.

>>9907126
Can't use peeking bloomers with everything though, it doesn't really look too amazing with some of the newer styles of dress. BUT, if you have both you have both as options to play around with. I'm tall as well, so it can be difficult. Recently got an old school AP dress that is cute as heck, but also short as heck. Really makes me sad, but luckily it looks great with long bloomers!

>>9907123
Nayrt but all my screenprints (even the 10+ year old ones) are poly. It's a very brand dependant thing I think.

>>9907125
>for many of us it is fun everyday wear that we collect, not some snowflake dress we only wear sometimes.
Funny because I do wear lolita daily and most of my pieces are at least a decade old, some of them older than that, and they all hold up fine. Do you not take good care of your clothes, anon? That could explain why they fall apart and seem like fast fashion to you.

>>9907130
My clothes don’t fall apart and I do take good care of them but they are machine sewn in bulk and machine printed, many with serged seams and the weaves and finishes aren’t anything super duper special aside from novelty printing, some foiling or glitter printing here or there and some specialty lace sometimes. I’d say that all falls pretty much under the umbrella definition of fast fashion. Maybe not some of the more elaborate mto fancy things, those would be an exception.

>>9907125
>>9907129

Curious what brand this is. I suspect Moitie as they like screenprints and polyester, but most of my 10+ old dresses are cotton btssb and none are screenprints. Would be nice to have a confirmation if it is.

>>9907135
Unless you’re living with the Amish, all clothing is sewn by a machine and made for a variety of people to wear. That doesn’t make it fast fashion because it’s got surged edges. High fashion has surged edges and are made in bulk for the wealthy. Only custom orders and event dresses are made by high fashion brands with the wearer in mind. Everything else is made in a factory by machines or underpaid workers. Nothing is made one of a kind unless ordered to be one of a kind.

You obviously are not into this fashion if you think that surged seams with some fancy lace is fast fashion. You really have a poor view of what the fashion industry is if you don’t understand that clothes you buy from a store is factory made.

I'm the worst sentimental fuck when it comes to lolita.
I'm fortunate enough to be able to wear it daily, including to work, and as cheesy as it might sound it does actually make me feel like a princess. It's dumb but I love it. I've dreamed about being able to wear it regularly when I discovered it as a teenager and it feels like my dream has come true in the best way possible.
I usually don't voice this because some people in my comm think things like this are "cringey" because "it's just clothes", but lolita is a lot more than just clothes to me.

>>9907139
Yep, Moitie. Although iirc one of their oldest prints is on cotton, it's not a screen print though.

>>9907125
>>9907130
>>9907135
>>9907145
Fast fashion is mostly based on production time. Traditional fashion production time is 6 months-1 yr, fast fashion is shorter than that. Japanese brands aren't Zara-tier fast fashion (and are higher quality than that) but most of them are definitely faster than traditional brands and depending on the brand you could argue both ways.

>>9907148
Those people in ur comm anon need to realize that Lolita can be more than just clothes. Items are allowed to hold sentimental value whether it be a $300 dress or a busted stuffed animal you got when u were a kid.

You keep living ur dream anon.

>>9907139
Yep.

>>9907161
This. JetJ and Moitie seem slower, other brands crank things out seasonally and faster.

>>9907157

I wonder if it's a problem with screen prints needing to be handled carefully. I've seen a lot of nice Moitie non-screenprints in closet child, and sometimes when you look up the release dates they aren't even from 2008, they date back way older than 10 years and still look pristine. Either the owners never wore them at all or they just hold up much better than screen prints.

I never did like screen prints anyway, but I guess I'll take note to handle them carefully if I ever got one.

>>9907148

lol. I'm one of those "just clothes" people and I wear burando every day, as often as I can.

It's honestly just outlasted everything nonlolita I own. I have dresses 5+ years old that still look good for the office or a dinner out with the in-laws, meanwhile my mainstream dresses start to fade or look worn out by year 3. Just keep rocking your frills, anon. Lolita clothes are awesome even when they're just clothes.

>>9907172
Personally I think they're pretty hardy, solid or print. Sorgevinter has mentioned putting their Cathedral in the washing machine on delicate. The biggest worry is improper dry cleaning that melts the print off. Other than that there was someone posting about either Silent Moon or Ruins Cathedral having the print flake off.

I think you see the screenprints in worse condition on average becaise they're liable to be worn often, or worn once by someone then sold on.

Note however I don't own a lot of screenprints, I favor solids.

>>9907172
My older moitie screenprints can be tossed in the wash on the delicate cycle and hold up very well. Their newer things are a little more fragile. I don’t know exactly why, but it seems they need a little extra TLC when you wash them compared to the older 10+years ones.

>>9907182

Actually, now that I think about, doesn't Iron Gate date from 2006? That's older than ten years and still a screenprint and people are still wearing it. Seems like a lot are holding up well and not really falling apart?

I'll take note about the dry cleaner. The ones near me don't even know what non-PCE solvents are, I explained it all wrong and they assured me that's exactly what they do. Looks like it's actually safer to wash it at home in the washing machine than let the dry cleaner ruin it.

I actually have a thing for Moitie florals, they're so understated and elegant. I only have two Moitie dresses at moment, one solid and one floral. Just preparing for the day I end up falling in love with some screenprint from them.

>>9907188

Dang, that's a little depressing to hear, I was hoping Tamaqro won't compromise the quality after taking over it.

Thanks for the feedback though, I'll keep that in mind.

Here is a confession: I am tired of cat prints. The cats look weird, are rarely depicted playing or expressive like real cats and frankly, I’m over it.

>>9907194
You think cat prints are bad now? They have been pretty reduced from three years ago in favor of crosses, mermaids, unicorns and astrology alchemy themes. Often all mashed into one. There’s also a abundance in food prints with fruits and parfaits again. The cat prints have died down significantly over the last three years.

>>9907209
I have a couple of friends who are as crazy for them as ever so I see and hear maybe more than the average about all the cat prints forever. And they both have actual cats, jfc

confession:
im so sick and tired of working in a messy work environment with a gross polyestre uniform. im about to switch careers and im praying so earnestly that i will be able to incorporate even the TINIEST bit of lolita into my work clothes.
anyone here who can wear lolita to work, do you mind sharing what your profession is?

>>9907129
probably desu. mine are all meta and baby. I don't know why I always forget about MMM, I'm guessing those are the poly screenprints?

>>9907215
nevermind, I just refreshed and answered my own question.

>>9907212
My job before I graduated college was a data analyst for a forensics lab. I had a cubical type of job that had no real dress code. I was like Garcia from criminal minds. Then got my degree in biomedical engineering and now work in a lab ( fancy coat and everything) but I don’t think wearing lolita for my field of work is fitting since petticoats and bulky clothes could knock stuff off the counters. I could wear it if I wanted to, but rather not. But I wouldn’t want a diffrent job because I can’t wear lolita to it. That’s making your priorities in the wrong things.

>>9907194
same, I fucking hate cat prints, especially when they are randomly slammed into other prints like floral or book prints that would be fine without them. I also can't stop associating them with the crazy cat lady feminist stereotype.

There are other animals that deserve more love. Reptiles, birds, larger mammals in general are all underrepresented in lolita.

The amount of hate left wing people get online makes me uncomfortable in my comm. I don't splash my political beliefs around but I worry that lolitas I like might be the ones posting on here about how sjws are the cancer ruining lolita communities. I have sjw beliefs but I'm not ruining my comm. I literally never bring it up.

>>9907237
Since when is the stereotypical crazy cat lady a political figure?

>>9907240
At least you don’t use the fashion for your political agenda. I can care less about your opinions. But when you and I don’t see eye to eye, don’t come barking at me when I post a haul to the haul thread about privilege. That’s not what the comm is for. I’ll let you have your opinion and not get into an arguing match if our opinions are not the same. But I expect the same respect from you as well. If you can be this kind of person then anon, you’re okay.

>>9906850
That's adorable

>>9907257
Ah, I see. Sounds like we could tolerate each other then. That's cool, anon

>>9907240
Then they aren’t talking snout you, how could they be if you don’t bring it up? Plenty of people do bring in their politics though and it is beyond tiresome. No matter what side.

I'm secretly quite vehemently jealous of all the gulls who talk about getting lolita as gifts from their family and/or significant others, on multiple occasions and not just birthdays or christmas. I've been with my boyfriend for 1.5 years and he has never once bought me lolita, even when I've subtly suggested a piece or accessory for a gift despite the fact he really likes me wearing it.
He's expressed many times that he would never buy me - nor anyone else - something non-essential I randomly asked for (obviously not for food, drinks, etc. but if i randomly asked "aww i want this dress, can you buy it for me?"). So I can't ask, and he never offers so I basically won't get any lolita from him unless i push on it as a gift idea, which even then I don't like to do because he might have another idea and I'd rather he do what he wanted rather than have me tell him what to get for me.
I know its so selfish because he's not an ATM machine, and I think people who treat their partners as such are disgusting but I suppose I wish he was maybe more inclined to spoil me with material things.

>>9907237
I demand a possum dress

>>9907062
how do so many of them get so rich and seem like they dont work?

>>9907304

They're part of the nouveau riche of China. Their families are the top 0.01% and work in banking, investments, factories, etc.

As an ABC I'm low key envious of them but mostly annoyed that their rude attributes are in turn attributed to me in spite of being brought up to always be polite and considerate. Especially when they chew with their mouth open. It's a dead giveaway of a fob.

>>9907046
Japanese lolita brands aren't fast fashion

I want to give away a load of my dresses but I don't want to look like I'm trying to buy friendships with brand. I just can't be bothered to sell and want to see people wearing them.

>>9907286
Sounds like an autist desu, sorry some of us have boyfriends/family who care more about making us happy than arbitrary gift limitations.

>>9907211

>they both have actual cats

Anon your friends are crazy cat ladies. The stereotype exists for a reason.

Hey at least you get to pet your friends' cats and not have to clean up their poop. Just watch out when they start "adopting" too many cats.

>>9907240
>Since when is the stereotypical crazy cat lady a political figure?
It's a meme that exists since the Simpsons introduced the crazy cat woman lady to the series. Her character used to be the career woman type, a very successful and competent lawyer. Later in her life she regretted not having children and being alone without a family, so she began adopting more and more cats and with each cats she became more insane.

Adapt that to the real world and women who choose adopting cats instead of having children. Of course it can be interpreted in some kind of political sense (not that I support the idea, I'm just saying how it is and that it sucks being branded like this).

>>9907114
Fast fashion is invented by shops like zara that release tons of new shit every week

>>9907135
>>9907114
Fast fashion is invented by shops like zara that release tons of new shit every week. AP often releases new stuff too, but that's one print series, not an entire collection.

>>9907286
>subtly suggested
>He's expressed many times that he would never buy me - nor anyone else - something non-essential
Well anon, then make it something essential. For example, if you made plans to go out to a special place or event and you're planning to wear lolita. You're both looking forward to it for days, weeks or even months but oh no, shortly before the date you suddenly don't feel so well and aren't as happy as usual. Your bf asks what's wrong, but you don't want to tell it at first, you try to play it off and change topics, but you still seem very down and low energy. It turns out the main piece/shoes/etc you planned to wear and loved so much is lost/damaged and you don't have the funds to buy a completely new one or other bills are in the way. Sit on his lap or have other forms of close body contact while telling him about it. It's okay to dramatize on being down, you can even fall into a bit of self loathing speech, how stupid you are for ruining/losing such expensive things and that you're sorry to ruin the event for both of you, sometimes you don't even know why he's still together with you. No one likes to see their beloved person like this. So depending on what he replies, tell him that there IS a replacement you saw somewhere, but you don't have the funds for it. Then look at him in your sadness and ask him completely honest and earnest, like a literal child, if he could buy it for you. If he says yes, treat him like he's a hero who just saved the day, be overjoyed, maybe even cry. If he says no, dump his ass.
But in all honesty, when you want material things from men, you always have to make sure to connect it with their happiness or pride - they have to profit from it someway.

>>9907237
What do those animals have to do with lolita? It's like saying Alice in wonderland is overrepresented and it's time for doctor who prints

>>9907312
Give them to me :D

>>9907286
It could be a cultural difference what you read on cgl. In some countries it's still expected guys pay everything for girls. Plus a lot on cgl is just made up role playing fantasy or guys like >>9907321

>>9907321
>Cry about neckbeards hating women because they feel they are all shallow, manipulative and crazy sluts.
>Be exactly this archetype of a degenerate and encourage others to follow you.

At times I think about starting a dating service exclusively for /cgl/ and /r9k/ because you crazy people are indeed perfect for each other and every single one of you subhumans who is bound to another piece of emotional dirt cant hurt real people.
So everyone would win.

>>9907323

Alice in Wonderland is overrepresented. For good reasons, because Alice's dress is very archetypal of lolita, but I'm really tired of Alice in Wonderland. We could have other classic novels with similar silhouettes and aesthetics represented like Jane Eyre, Anne of Green Gables, The Secret Garden, etc. Your example is deliberately shitty and you should feel ashamed for using that lazy shorthand.

>>9907326

My boyfriend felt guilty about going to Japan without me. I can't say I didn't milk it hard for some sweet Leur Getter. But I pay for his stuff now since I'm working and he isn't. It works out.

>>9907328
>Cry about neckbeards hating women because they feel they are all shallow, manipulative and crazy sluts.
Literally who? No one cares about r9k neckbeards or what they think, we just don't want them to shit up our board.

>>9907328
>implying that anon is a girl
Can't tell if you're gullible or just retarded

>>9907323
That argument is retarded. What do cats have to do with lolita then and why are they more "lolita" than other animals (when it's not exactly the cheshire cat that's represented, which makes 99% of cases)?

Alice in wonderland is in fact overrepresented. Motifs across the board are a big part of the fashion now, accept it.

And who says that a reptile print with crocodiles wearing bonnets and drinking tea with their hat wearing snake fellas can't be a thing? Would be pretty much lolita themed if you ask me.

>>9907336
I mostly just retold a chapter of the book Ho Tactis (written by a man btw) that worked for me but okay.

>>9907328
Never heard of a lesbian seagull, eh?

>>9907313
I sound like an autist, or he does? He likes to make me happy, and he does otherwise i wouldn't be with him. Lolita is only really a small portion of my life, but still I wish it wouldn't be such a taboo thing in our relationship if i were to ask him to buy me something. I also don't particularly like asking for gifts unless he were to ask me to tell him what i want, because it feels quite awkward and rude, even though it isn't really.

>>9907321
Sorry but that sounds literally fucking retarded, I would absolutely in no way *ever* do something like that. My boyfriend doesn't "neeeed" to buy me shit for me to be happy, I'm just expressing I'm secretly jealous of gulls who have shit handed to them all the time. In the same way we would all selfishly fantasize about being super rich or having things provided for you with no worries and at the cost of nothing else.

>>9907237
Sorry but no. Cats are best.

>>9907339
>Ho Tactics
Are you fucking serious

>>9907329
Lolita is inspired by Alice in wonderland. Not by reptiles. There are also lolita dresses based on Anne and a bunch of other children stories but they were not as influential as lolita as Alice.

>>9907286
My friend said she wanted to get me something lolita for my birthday this year. I don't think she understands that a 'cheap' deal for a dress I want on closet child will still be around £70. Cheap by lolita standards, but not so much by normie standards when compared to something from a standard high Street store.

However even after explaining this she said she'd still like to, but the process of ordering was intimidating, and she didn't know what she was looking for because there's so much lolita out there and I might not even like what she picks.

So maybe he just assumed it's easier to let you buy things for yourself sice you're already experienced with lolita stores?
Failing that, maybe you just want someone who is better at buying gifts. I'm not saying break up with him, just that could be one part of your life in which you guys aren't quite so well suited.

>>9907361
Yes that's the name of it, it'd pretty good on several aspects.

>>9907339
>I'm totally a girl you guise

>>9907306
As someone who works in customer service, I notice that the more neuveau riche someone is, the worse their table manners are likely to be. Also the way they treat wait staff (dismissive, being on their phone while ordering). I've had a girl keep me waiting for 7 minutes (yep, I counted) while she texted someone in the middle of me taking her order. Of course, this is a generalisation: there are those who don't fit the bill at all and are completely lovely. Just my observation though.

Its times like that I think to myself: think of all the brand you'll be able to buy if you don't quit...

>>9907329
There are lolita releases inspired by secret garden and anne of green gables..

>>9907337
Cats are cuddly, crocodiles aren't. Besides Alice also had black and white kittens. Lolita isn't just the shape of the dress and slapping on a random print. It partly exists because Japanese women romanticised young European girls and that's still what tons of prints are inspired by.

>>9907358
It is awkward and rude to ask someone for a gift

>>9907337
>a reptile print with crocodiles wearing bonnets and drinking tea with their hat wearing snake fellas
I'd be up for a reptile print from a classic or gothic brand; but crocs in bonnets is a retarded idea and you know it. Unless you're one of those people that dump money on whatever tacky ~*quirky*~ print the Chinese shit out every other week, in which case you have no taste so your arguments are meaningless. >>9907372 is right, lolita has a specific concept and aesthetic and if you're not into it maybe find another fashion to shit up with your stupid print ideas.

>>9907286
Sounds controlling anon. Manipulative narcissists can start out like this with a few odd boundaries, then years down the line by continually removing your options one by one end up raping & beating you on the regular. Its only a year and a half anon, even if you are living together I would walk away. At least check out justnoso or a few articles on abusive relationships before discounting what I have just said. Its not about the clothes.

>>9907337
>crocodile tea party
10/10 I would buy and wear this... And if you leave the snakes out, it is more lolita-themed than cats because of Alice in Wonderland
>How doth the little crocodile improve his shining tail
>and pour the waters of the Nile on every golden scale

I want MC Melod¥ Doll and Deerstalker Pictures back :(

>>9907412
Wow, same. I still watch their old content, not just the skits but their old videos too; they have a few short videos of meets/hangouts and they're really aesthetically pleasing.
Obviously it's their right to produce whatever videos they want, but I miss their lolita content a lot.

>>9907390

Not everything is /raisedbynarcissists anon.

>>9907237
>>9907337
>>9907408

For all the anons that support Crocodile Tea Party. I was inspired, threw this together

>>9907408
>more lolita-themed than cats
Dinah ought to have taught you better manners

>>9907390
You sound like someone who has never left their home and lives in a middle class, white area but reads about all the bad things out there and now you decide to leave and breathe sjw fear mongering without ever seeing anything real.

>>9907431
Thats true, but knowledge is the best way to arm yourself in life.

>>9907390
You sound like someone who never leaves their house and lives in a middle class, white area but reads about all the terrible things "out there" and proceeds to spread sjw fear mongering bullshit everywhere you go.

my pad fell out of my clothes in front of some people and I have to go back and see those same people today please lord help me

>>9907494
How the hell.

>>9907484
More like someone who became paranoid after being abused

>>9907494
Sounds impossible

>>9907494
>>9907495
>>9907499

>>9907046
>>9907306

Fucking same. I've been running into a lot of nouveau riche Chinese students/tourists lately and it seems like money can't buy taste - example:

>years of honing lolita style & brand wardrobe
>visits Japan first time
>sees Chinese tourist wearing misty sky in a gd t-shirt and sneakers

I can see why the AP staff at Marui don't talk to customers.

Manners is also a problem. I've met a few Chinese lolitas who make an effort to use their best English and mind their manners, but seems like more than often not. I'm still annoyed over the memory of being shoved aside by a pair of them at a swap meet without apologizing.

>>9907484
>>9907496
Yeah - there are a lot of bad people out there. I never underestimate what people are capable of.

Whenever I see newbs whining about how the #lolita tag on tumblr is full of porn, I always hesitate telling them to look at legitimate tags instead. I once nearly gave buying advice to someone until I noticed they're an ageplayer; never making that mistake again.

>>9907062
>they inspire me to get good and up my lifestyle game.
Same

>>9907314
I have my own cats, and I love them dearly but I don’t need cats on my dresses, lol. And one friend has quite a few cats, I’m beginning to wonder...

I suppose it’s harmless enough but I’m just a little sick of talking about all the cat dresses and of lolita = cats to them. I’m into the odd and more gothic prints and also solid dresses.

>>9907508
Sometimes wearing lolita casually is nice though.

>>9907390
This is scary dumb. A guy who is just not into consumerism in no way equals abusive. She said he’s that way with everyone’s gifts, not just hers so he may just be very practical. Minimalism trend is in for a lot of guys right now.

Honestly, I think a lot of guys would not do very well in buying lolita anyway unless they just bought exactly what we told them to and at that point, why not just get it for ourselves? My SO sees lolita shopping as a secret society thing I do with my friends and I’m fine with that. He buys practical gifts too, like my iPad and Apple Pencil. I’m good with that. He likes seeing me in lolita and doesn’t complain ever when I buy it so that’s enough for me. Sometimes if I’m undecided I’ll ask his opinion on which of 2 things he likes better but that’s the extent of his involvement beyond tying my waist ties. He doesn’t mind and he has gotten good at bows.

>>9907441
ICU there cat lady :^)

>>9907378
>Cats are cuddly, crocodiles aren't. Besides Alice also had black and white kittens. Lolita isn't just the shape of the dress and slapping on a random print. It partly exists because Japanese women romanticised young European girls and that's still what tons of prints are inspired by.

Something being cuddly or not ieven an argument if you are going by the romanticised Eurpoean idea. Exotic animals have been part of European culture for centuries, going from curiosity cabinets to menageries to public zoos and zoological gardens. Rich families built entire business empires on it, the monarchs of the time outdid each other by building gigantic public zoos and gardens to satisfy the public demand to see exotic animals. People held tropical birds as pets and some even tried to domesticate zebras and lions. So I don't really understand why lolita fashion can't be inspired by it? It's not like the prints have to be tacky Chinese vector art, you can do it in a classic and more grown up style. All in all exotic animals had a huge impact on European culture back then. Even the Alice in Wonderland argument you constantly bring up seems invalid, there were countless other animals featured in it, it's not only about your cute and cuddly cats and rabbits guys..

>>9907558
It's really because APs style is cutesy so they pick cutesy animals. Like cats and bunnies. AP is the most popular at least in the US so it gets talked about the most.

>>9907558
Nayrt, I'm with you, I just think the anon who wanted a print of crocodiles and snakes having a tea party in bonnets is beyond retarded.

>>9907558
What Europeans did or didn't is besides the point, lolita is based on Japanese ideas. I don't think they were trying to look like an accurate European zoologists.

>>9907562
Because lolita is cutesy and largely inspired by children

>>9907558
Non cutesy animals would do fine for botanical and art prints but I don’t like things like meme animal prints or cartoon crocodiles in bonnets either. A Taxidermy Room, Natural History Museum, Cabinet of Curiosities or even a Natural Jungle or Still Life type print though? Bring on the crocs in those scenarios.

>>9907574
The dress shapes are inspired by European history, some prints by mythology or still life’s etc. it’s not such a reach.

>>9907591
Yes, but other brands will experiment more. JetJ has had plenty of different animals in their prints.

>>9907212
I work at a museum! I work in registration, and help file, organize, and generally keep track of artifacts, loans, donations, etc. I wear toned-down classic lolita to work, like an IW blouse and skirt with no petticoat or IW OPs.

>>9907591
Sweet prints may be but not the bulk of the fashion.

>>9907432
This is incredible anon oh my goodness

>>9907603
Classic with no petticoat is such a good everyday look.

>>9907606
Classic is also often based on children's stories. Gothic lolita came after lolita already existed, a mix of lolita and gothic.

>>9907606
Lolita in Japan means looking like a young girl (not a young adult). Besides the fashion, the word is used for anime characters that look like female minors, and literal pedophiles (lolita complex)

>>9907616
Do go on weeb-sama, we are attentive.
Tell us about the animes too...

Just where do you think you are trying to school us on a board where many of us have been actively at this for a decade or more, dressing in this fashion? Take a seat. Take several seats.

>>9907628
What are you even arguing at this point? Do you think crocodiles are lolita or not?

>>9907634
Depends on context. If I say no, someone will surely make an awesome natural history print with them and it will be amazing, if I say yes, we are stuck with crocodile tea party and someone ‘cleverly’ wearing pink croc shoes with it.

>>9907636
If it was a lolita dress with just a teddy bear on it, or just a kitten, or just a poodle, it would be normal. But if it was a reptile or large mammal it would need extra elements to lolify it.

>>9907562
Cute as hell tho, you gulls don't know what you are missing on.

>>9907653
Jetj has used both a human skull and a dead lamb in prints with no extra lolifying elements. Animals perceived as cute already will lend themselves to cute prints and cute anthropomorphic representations. Other animals tend to seem too childish when that’s done so I vote ‘no crocodiles’ outside of a realistic art print.

>>9907664
> Agreed. Baby crocodiles can be cute as hell.

>>9907653
>>9907664
>>9907700
Pumpkin Cat managed to make the world's cutest dragon print. I'm sure other reptiles wouldn't be much of a stretch.
>Shame that adorable print was wasted on shitty fabric

>>9907700
This looks like something made to go on toddler clothes.

>>9907756

Just like your precious AP.

>>9907767
I’m gothic in my own style and I don’t really have a hate boner for the baby theme prints of sweet but nice try. To me the AP print elements like the things in dreamy baby room still aren’t majorly drawn in a juvenile cartoonish style even though the theme is obviously about a baby. Actually since the title has dreamy in it, it made me think of someone happily wishing for or thinking about preparing for a baby at some time in their future.

I think it would be more honest and kind to noobs to just say ‘Look, just buy actual lolita clothes. Yes you can lolify some things once you are well grounded in the fashion and yes you can make some things if you can sew decently but it’s a rare person who can make really good coords out of normie elements even when they are experienced and newbies just don’t have the eye for that. Just buy lolita clothes’

>>9907751
I could have done a better drawing and I hate drawing

>>9907751
I don’t think this is cute or pretty, I would not wear it.

>>9907787
It's not a bad drawing at all? It's good.

Although it would look nice on a children's book it doesn't work for lolita. It's too cartoony and doesn't suit the lolita "cute" style

I draw furry porn to make money for brand.

>>9907772

Exactly. To each their own, the argument that certain elements are not 'loliable' is quite frankly a stupid one and while I'm not really into crocodiles, anons are free to do whatever they want.

I do however want more bird prints - cranes, birds of paradise, robins, mockingbirds - any bird prints would be great. Also horse prints that aren't just unicorns (even though I appreciate unicorns too).

>>9907751
>>9907700
I think overly western cartoon styles have no place in this aesthetic. It is very un-kawaii.

>>9907653
>>9907751

Yeah let's all forget about Dragon Chan.

>>9907792
Get that paycheck girl, furries pay real good cash

>>9907793
I think it’s been decently proven that you can lolify just about anything but the general consensus of ‘is it good’ remains inside a pretty narrow lane, with brands getting a bigger pass for strange things and elegance and traditional Kawaii aesthetic in the lead. I loved the skull print jetj dress but hated bodyline’s skull border print piece so much.

>>9907751
That is a very derpy dragon. Nope.

I rarely ever wash secondhand clothes I receive, besides blouses/cutsews/bloomers/socks. Main pieces, I only wash if they smell weird.

I wash the main pieces eventually, after a couple wears. I've never had an issue washing any print in the washing machine on cold/delicate in a garment bag. I have washed a lot of prints in my time.

>>9907751
>>Shame that adorable print was wasted on shitty fabric
are you me

>>9907751
You know dragons are not uncommon in children's and religious stories right? both are common inspiration for lolita

>>9907792
Good on you anon!
I'm not into the whole furry thing myself but you're not harming anyone (and neither are they).
Can't draw fo shit myself, so kinda envious of your talent (in a good, non-sodium way).
You are supporting brands by spending your money with them. Can't hate on that.

>>9907819
We don't really need you here sucking ass for (You)s

>>9907817
There’s a crocodile poem parody in Alice, several tales and stories involving crocodiles, nothing is stoping someone from making croco tea party or a beautifully illustrated line art with glitter called ‘shining crocodile tears in the misty morning’. Lol.
I still don’t like the idea. But I didn’t like the site dress or jetj’s Jesus face dress or lots of others. I vote with my dollars and try to give good feedback to indie brands so they don’t waste their budget on meme tier stuff that people say they like but also won’t actually buy.

>>9907819
I'm actually not even good at drawing, I just draw the weird fetish shit like diapers and inflation. Furries don't care about how good it is then.
>>9907807
That's why I do it, I'm not even a furry myself. They just spend so much on shitty fetish art.

>>9907122
>Fast fashion typically doesn't last a year

i keep reading stuff like this and gotta wonder, what the fuck do people do to their clothes where it doesn't even last a year? i have pieces from all sorts of murican fast fashion stores which are 5+ years old and still in fine condition; I even machine wash and tumble dry. The only things I've ever had "fall apart" have been pajama pants. what are people DOING?

>>9907850
dude I'm right there with you on this, idk how some people are so rough with their clothes. I have a F21 shirt that I've machine washed and tumble dried, it's my favorite shirt so I wear it all the time, and that sucker is over 5 years old and isn't even pilling

>>9907850
My stuff from before I started wearing lolita has mostly lost colour and you can clearly feel a difference with the fabric after washing it a few times. Same doesn't happen with my lolita clothes that I wash the same way.

>>9907850
They wear it a size too small, toss it on the floor, wash it on regular cycle with cheap harsh detergent, dry it crispy dry and don't have that many clothes to rotate. That's what some of my friends do, anyway. But they don't really care about clothes and fashion so they don't give a shit overall or take care of their clothes gently.

>>9907809
As if Milky-chan isn't equally derpy

>>9907880
It's a different aesthetic, Milky Chan is very 2D illustration based with no real expression. The dragon looks more like a western kid show dragon. I don't really like either one but I can at least see why milky chan fits the pastel print aesthetic. Now the cats in cats tea party? There's some derp. But again, fits the existing aesthetic. I think some girls buy some indie things trying to stand out and because of the lower price or forgiving size and availability but then just end up looking less lolita and more weird chick in a cartoon dress, especially if one or more of the other elements is not more traditionally lolita too. That's just my opinion.

>>9907850
I haven't bought normie clothes in several years and every time I go shopping with my friends I get a nice reminder why; all of it looked like shit tier garbage, the fabric is either too thin or too flimsy or unpleasant to the touch, and I'd be surprised if any of it lasts two months, not to mention a year.

>>9907890
where do you even buy normie clothes?

>>9907887
That's legit, anon. I see what you mean, but I still think they're really cute.

>>9907896
Did you not read my post? I don't buy normie clothes. But I'm talking about shit in H&M, Zara, F21 and similar stores.

>>9907432
I love this!

>>9907854
I feel like fast fashion brands are inconsistent with quality.
I've had two basic organic cotton tees from h&m that stretched out so badly in a matter of months (I maybe wore them 1x week for work).
With other clothes/brands sometimes the serging comes undone and it ends up with holes.
Then I have some tops that have held up several years! They're made of sturdier cotton or wool though, they feel firmer too. I guess I just need to keep that in mind when I'm shopping because they can have long lasting stuff.

>>9907903
>expecting Zara, F21, and H&M to have nice quality despite having a fraction of the price tag of lolita clothing

This is the problem with lolitas. They spend all their money on brand and cheap out on everything else

>>9907920
Did you not read her post? she doesn't buy normie clothes

>>9907925
I know she doesn't, she said she doesn't buy it because it's poor quality. But why would she be surprised by that?
Good luck finding nice normie stuff if the only places you'd consider looking is stuff like Zara

I don't like wearing jewelry. I'm fine with hair accessories, but my OPs and blouses are so busy that I feel like necklaces are somewhat pointless, and I find rings very annoying so I just end up never wearing jewelry with by outfits

>>9907890
So you are a daily lolita? What kind of job do you have?

>>9907918
I'd say also look at the country of origin. My F21 shirt that I referenced as holding up forever happens to be Made in the USA - I'm not sure if F21 even has any products made in the USA anymore, it was a specific line called Heritage 81 they were producing for a while around 2011-2013ish maybe longer.

>>9907412
Lolitas without a cause was my favourite. Zero lines, and still the best thing ever. I watch it whenever I'm sad. It really makes me want a lolita gf though.

>>9907751
I know everyone's hating on this dragon, but I really love this dress. I've seen it irl and there are more dragons, they're even derpier than that one. Not typical for lolita, but it's so damn cute. Love it desu

>>9907792
I want to do that, but I have no drawing tablet. Unless anyone wants furry porn in watercolours mailed to them... But I don't think there'd be much of a market for physical furry porn.

>>9907949
If you'll draw absolutely crazy fetish shit you'll still get customers

>>9907951
Honestly, I'd be fine to draw pretty much anything. Aside from pedophilia, I think. I'm really not turned on by anything weird so I'd be fairly impartial, too. Considering setting up a blog or something for this... But I'm not a furry so I have no clue how to break into that market.

gotta get brand money somehow, and if physical furry porn is the way, I'm down to traverse this path.

I really like the jsk without a blouse look but I have fat arms so I can't do it.

>>9907794
>overly western
>un-kawaii
uwu uwu owo kawaaaiiiiiiii uwu
>claps hands

>>9907792
I'm learning to draw for that reason.

>>9907954
You got me curious, how much did you earn per commision so far? What are the craziest and hardest ones you get?

>>9907967
I'm not the anon you should be asking. I'm also trying to break into the market

a couple years ago I moved, and my cat pissed on one of my dresses, i sold it to a sissy, no regrets

>>9907792
i wanna do this now anon, i've never drawn porn before but i'd do it for the brand

>>9907779

We do. In fact it gets said a lot.

Equally often you still get someone who wants to loliable. And they hang on to the idea like a drowning rat clinging to any rotten wood. It's kind of a fact that a fair number of lolitas mix in offbrand, girly brands and other non lolita stuff into their wardrobe and they make it work. There's no way around saying "non lolita stuff can work if they suit the theme", because you can see a lot of rundowns where the bag, shoes or blouse is listed as a non lolita brand.

The itas just take this little bit of leeway and fucking try to make the ballpark with it. Ain't nothing anybody can do with it except sigh deeply and move on. Or post them to the ita thread and laugh at them because there's nothing else you can do with them.

>>9907949
You underestimate the fur community. They throw their money at things like it’s free. I draw furry porn under a alias just for the money. Of course they want digital copies of the comission, but they do have a weird obsession with physical art that they can turn into collar badges for cons. I charge more for the porn part of it. But many don’t even think twice before throwing 75 dollars at a lewd sketch. 150 for a shaded two person image. Trust me, it’s easy money if you can swallow some pride and dignity. Also helps if you flirt with them to get them to comission you if you want extra cash. Fur affinity is full of sad poor shits that throw their money at you when you flirt.

>>9908063
Anon, you're amazing. I'm so doing this, but only shipping in my local area. Gotta ask, how do you get the money from them if it's anonymous? Even PayPal links back to a name.

>>9908074
You make a second PayPal for business and create a name of your business like “fur n flirt creations” or some shit. You can keep your personal name hidden if you have a business account.

>>9907948

It's just being hated on because anon touts it as the world's cutest dragon. You're making a mistake if you think cgl ignores taobao, they'll regularly go nuts for some weird release or another. Pumpkin Cat isn't some undiscovered taobao brand cgl doesn't know about. Most anons have seen this dragon when it was first released, either they like it and own it or they think it's meh.

So when some anon comes in and says "cutest dragon" like everyone is supposed to fall in line, there's going to be a lot of anons replying "No, I disagree". It's just not that popular of a release, is all.

>>9907854

I've actually got two work dresses that last this long, but they're made from some weird stretch polyester that I don't like to touch. Eugh. Most of the fast fashion companies don't really use decent natural materials, those are the ones that crap out the fastest. Plastics though, I swear when humanity is all wiped out we're going to leave behind a pile of plastic garbage that never decomposes, including plastic polyester dresses.

>>9908256
I guess that means our polyester AP prints will outlive us.

>>9908063
Why do furries either make 200k or are 20 dollars away from being homeless? I've noticed there's really never an in between. Obviously most of your customers are the former and own those several thousand dollar value Bad Dragon collections.

>>9908301
False, nayrt and I never drew furry porn only normal furry art but some of the furries I know were on welfare and streamed for extra money. Tipped extremely generously though but I don't know what they were doing

>>9908301
I get my fair share of “ can I get one for 5 dollars?” In my Fur affinity inbox. I delete them and move on. I usually have an auction or adoptable listed every week giving those with less money the chance to feel like they are getting something, but usually the ones with good money outbid them and I make good money. As long as you’re always producing work for them and posting stuff, the money rolls in. 75 precent of my closet is bought with furry money. Regular art commissions I don’t make nearly as much since people are more tight onto their wallet, but furries are less frugal with their cash. I have a return client that pays me a monthly fee of 200 dollars and I draw him 3 lewd shaded commissions a month. It’s a deal to him because buying them individually with my prices he’s getting a break of about 100 dollars. He always pays and fills out the requests almost right after payment. I usually have his work done by a week and he still commissions more after that. You just have to know how to lure them in.

>>9906913
Isn’t her BF a drug dealer or something? I mean you can’t be that poor from selling drugs lmao.

>>9908291

The oldest dress that's also the most worn in my wardrobe (and I mean both lolita and non lolita) is a polyester IW dress, so there might be something there.

Second runner up is a cotton dress but honestly if humans are gone I think the mothworms will eat it.

>>9907046
I work mostly with Chinese tourists groups and in every group there is always a brand ita. Having to deal with every kind of Chinese customer, I just understood that they don’t care about color matching or looking good in general. If they are wearing a very long elegant dress and they think a pair of sneakers is comfy, you can be sure they will choose those shoes to pair with the dress. The same with lolita fashion. Example: a wa lolita buying one of those Gucci fannypacks and decided to wear it with her outfit just because “it’s cute and new!”.
Bonus point to them just because they seem to prefer their own hair.

>>9908089
But why did you respond to that anon? They were just saying the dragon is cute.

>>9907920
>>9907929
>she said she doesn't buy it because it's poor quality
I wasn't very clear in my other post >>9907890, sorry - I meant that I haven't bought normie clothes in years (i.e. I've only been buying lolita for daily wear) out of personal choice, and when I go out with my friends I see that I'm not missing out on anything because of how terrible quality most garments are. I don't expect good quality in these stores but it's baffling to see absolute garbage sold for prices that can get buy me a nice brand piece secondhand.

>>9907936
I am. I work at a fashion school.

>>9908361

They still think people are hating on the dragon dress purely based on aesthetics, which isn’t really correct.

It’s the fact that other anon announces it as the world’s cutest dragon, plus announcing the taobao brand like it’s some deep secret they’ve just discovered. That’s gonna trigger a lot of people to come out of the woodwork, because this isn’t some incredibly secret release that gulls don’t know about. Everybody knows what the jellyfish dress is, everybody knows what the doge dress is, do you think there is some “world’s cutest dragon dress” that they don’t know about? If no one’s talking about it then it’s because the dragon isn’t that appealing to many people in the first place.

You can take it one of either two ways, I suppose. It’s meant to say the amount of haters for the dragon dress is disproportionate because the way it was introduced was so high-handed that it brought everyone who didn’t like it out of the woodwork, it’s not reflective of whether people really like it or not, because the ones who dislike it will have more incentive to explain why it’s not the “world’s cutest dragon”.

At the same time, yeah, it’s simply not that popular of a release. Pumpkin Cat isn’t an unpopular brand, so if anons aren’t already buzzing about some release or another, don’t bother introducing it as “the world’s best”, we’ve already seen it and deemed it not the world’s best.

Might’ve butchered the delivery, I just woke up from a nap when I quickly typed it out and sent it.

>>9907929
The discussion was not about normie clothes vs lolita clothes, it's about fast fashion

>>9908089
I mean, is the World's Most Adorable Dog and the World's most delicious frappe really that good tho either

>>9907792
Any tips on getting started? I can draw fairly well both trad and digital, and I'm willing to squeeze furries for brand

This has gotten off track, why not take it to a draw, art or furry thread. I'm not going to put down someone for what they do but keep in mind that you can't help but be somewhat influenced by what you choose to regularly give your attention to,

>>9908449

Definitely made a much bigger impression -- it's nicknamed "longest name". Whether or not the puppy was cute apparently lolitas all agreed the name was too long.

>>9908089
I just thought it was cute and hadn't seen a cuter dragon dress. I'm sure someone else could make a cuter one. Sorry my wording was so bad anon, I feel kinda sad now.

>>9906865
Same. Been making debts since I was 10 so I could take care of food, raised my sister. Wearing H&M clothes was luxury to me. But I worked hard and got out of that.

Honestly, people who had to deal with being poor tend to either be people paying victim and ask sympathy everywhere and then end up poor forever, or work hard, become hard (you've got to if you want to get higher, or get around in some more poor neighbourhoods even), and tend to be quite smart and life a reasonable to good life.

>>9907040
>>9906901
Not all stores or releases are inconsistent at all tho. But you gotta follow Chinese community on Weibo if you want to keep track of it, which means either learn Chinese or find a proper way to autotranslate it (I have no automatic one for you).

For example, R-Serries is know to be overpriced, horrible customer service, and not that great quality in China. Once, they even had a needle still in a blouse, the poor girl was cut open when trying it on, and then when posting about it (which is the normal way of handling it in China, review and public posting about issues), R-Serries got all rude to her.

SouffleSong/Neverland/Anything from that designer is even more of a mess.

You can find a lot about any store and which one to trust and which ones not on Weibo. So much stores Western lolita's call great are known to be bad in China. They kinda abuse our lack of reading/speaking Chinese...

The only thing causing confusion on quality is western community talking about how great mediocre to bad quality products are because they don't seem to know anything about quality and only care for a cute look, preferably without paying too much. Add to that that very few follow Chinese communities and you'll know why it seems so inconsistent and hard to grasp.

>>9908752
Google translate can translate pages, is it hard to make a weibo account and follow the community there?

>>9908752
You seem to know a bit more, what’s an example of a bad quality dress that western lolitas thought was good? Maybe even some brands are like that? Size is an issue too, lots of us can’t fit smaller sizes that Chinese lolitas can.

>>9908791
Anything from Tanyue (that designer of Souffle Song I mentioned), also many of the newer brands life on a nice print than on quality garments. Versailles Closet, Versailles Secret, and a few other shops are also hers. Some items on the English webshop are taken from a cheap brand and gets sold with upmark. Other than mediocre to bad quality, Tanyue used to design for Millanoo and try to talk they bad dresses good in Chinese comm. Also talked about lolita's dressing like Children who need to grow up, then say she saw the light, sells lolita clothes, but has been rude to multiple lolita's still and hasn't really changed. Also stole stock photo's of expansive corsets for that "ero lolita" lingery brand thingy, doing the same with maid uniform on Weibo, talking to want to make maid uniform brand too. She's band in many Chinese comm.

Surface Spell classic has good reputation. Items go quite exapansive second hand. Often sold out quick as well.

Surface Spell gothic is good but the owner (Chasca) is super slow. Owns half the Chinese gothic lolita's clothes.

R-Series is overpriced with bad customer service, as I previously mentioned.

Krad Lanrette has not so great pattern, but really nice design. But rude/odd how she handle's customers and buying tho.

Many smaller/newer brands that life on selling nice print instead of quality.

NinthPlanet/Psycho pretends to be houte couture designer, but is not. Good quality but sometimes outlandish prices.

Those come to mind first, if you wonder about any particular brand, just ask. There are way more.

>>9908787
Google translate can be very crappy, but it's an okay start. Do keep in mind it can give really bad translation, especially from Asian languages because it's so different. Also text in images can't be translated. It's as decent as it get's if you can't read Chinese or have someone translate it.

Weibo account depends on where you are. You need phone verification (also normal in China instead of Email), but if your country is not listed you can't add country/regional code. If it's listed it's easy. You can also buy account for cheap. Many got removed after that "everything Chinese emperor says is law" rule. You could talk negative politics in the past as long as you don't do anything with it, but they decided you couldn't that moment and deleted many accounts because of it, causing sales in accounts for prices like few yuan since.

Also, next to brands themselves, also follow gossip "treeholes" (sorta pages/topics. Guess easiest to say it's like FB group), review treeholes, general lolita treeholes, and update treeholes. Just like western. You'll learn a lot of nice stuff. Weibo is Twitter/FB/most social media that aren't YT at one place ;).

>>9907321
>when you want material things from men, you always have to make sure to connect it with their happiness or pride - they have to profit from it someway.

You're probably just a crossboarding baitfag but you have a point here.

Also, if you have a boyfriend that doesn't personally value material items, they likely won't ever want to get you expensive material items. It's because they see no value in it, and they get no secondhand pleasure out of buying it for you/seeing you enjoy it. Guys who collect their own things, be it figurines, swords, Star Wars merch, whatever - those are the guys who love to spoil their girls. They already love to shop for niche shit, and they know that collectibles cost money. They get the thrill of purchasing the item, and seeing you react to it/use it.

>>9908743
You can't just ''become'' smart though. Some people are not smart just like some people are not tall.

>>9908752
I think when people talk about how great the quality of their taobao dress is, they mean it's good for the cheap price they paid

>>9908823
>text in images can't be translated
It can be on the mobile app but not on a computer for some reason

>>9908856
I mean it more as in work hard to learn stuff and have learned a lot of life lessons because of the stuff they went trough. Sorry for the bad wording.

>>9908866
True, but mobile app is also a bit annoying because you have to change app instead of just browsing and having it translated on the sport. It also can't always read everything, but most of it should be fine/okay-ish just like normal translation.

On the other hand, many TaoBao and Weibo functions are moved to app only and it's only getting worse, so maybe phone will be more useful to you anyways.

>>9908858
Most of those brands (like souffle song) cost the same as the other TaoBao brands with good reputation...

Honestly, I've seen people really talk about the quality being great and superb in general, and keep talking about how high end lolita clothes are compared to fast fashion. In general, I think Western lolita's have a horrible sense for quality anyways.

Anything with a nice print get's sold well, doesn't matter the quality. So many Chinese brands just make the dresses as fast fashion with mediocre materials and mediocre sewing, and paste a nice print on it. As long as it's popular in China it sells well for average lolita price, even if it's not worth it. Same with many fashion items anyways. Difference is that only western comm still considers it niche/alternative fashion only and calls it great quality...

>>9908820
This is really good info, thank you! I am wondering which Chinese brands are best for quality of fabric and can maybe fit western sizes best. Thank you for giving so much info here, I appreciate it very much.
>>9908884
This is true as anyone who has worn even somewhat better clothes, the hems, lining, finishing is all different but you are correct, no one listens, they care about the print.

>>9908884
taobao lolita brands is considered fast fashion, when lolitas complain about fast fashion it's in comparison to brands like victorian maiden and moitie

>>9908480
Draw some furry porn, make a twitter, post, say your dms are open for commissions, struggle, overcome.

>>9908931
You shouldn’t just lump ‘taobao brands’ together, they are many different Chinese shops there with very different quality, some are resellers, some much higher quality, etc. Victorian Maiden is going out of business, so not even relevant anymore, bad comparison. Do you live under a rock somewhere in middle US?

>>9908994


Find me a taobao lolita brand with classic pieces that comes close to VM and I'll eat my Victorian Maiden headdress. I'll be waiting here.

Also, if you're chinese anon from earlier, your colleagues still think MM and VM are very relevant as their reaction to MM coming to the Shanghai party last year was very strong. Similarly, I see VM go for much more than your Surface Spell dresses on the secondhand market, so don't even pretend SS comes close. I know, because I own both brands.

>>9909010
I’m not Chinese but you look foolish. No one is even comparing other brands to VM quality but there’s no denying that any brand stops being relevant in the new brand market when it...closes? I’m just saying that people should know by now that there are many levels of quality in the many brands sold on Tao bao just like there are in the US on Etsy. Do you call US indie brands ‘Etsy brands’? No.

>>9909015
nayrt i call them etsy brands.. and afaik theyre all terrible for the money you pay, not too different from taobao

>>9909015

Oh god, are we getting into the whole 'taobao brands shouldn't be called 'taobao brands'' debate?

They're called taobao brands because they use taobao as their storefront. Most Western indies have moved from using etsy as a storefront. It has nothing to do with quality, and besides 'western indie' lumps together brands with different tiers together too.

>>9908994
Js that when people on cgl complain about fast fashion, they are not comparing to taobao

>>9909015
I call them etsy brands yes, when someone asks where I got something I say I got it from etsy, does anyone even remember the shops' names? Same with when I buy something from ebay or amazon.

>>9908826
Yeah, this is quite true. Thanks for putting it in a different perspective, my boyfriend doesn't collect anything and doesn't get a thrill out of buying things. If he had something he collected or really liked I would definitely love to spoil him with those things, since I like buying shit too - but he doesn't. He'd much rather take me somewhere nice to eat or surprise me with my favourite cakes or drinks or such (no fatty-chan, we just actively look for and try all the good cake places in our area).

It's not super important to our relationship anyway, we love eachother and are very happy. I'm just a selfish gull whining about missed opportunities for free burando

>>9908928
nayrt but I have a couple things from Dream Magical and they are a heavy cotton with a full lining and built-in petti, comparable to Angelic Pretty several years ago. Atelier Roe Deer and Nightmare are both very good and both also carried by Wunderwelt (for a steep markup). Sibyl Heisei is just super and the owner speaks English.

tldr; There are many good brands and many bad ones. Soufflesong even looks like crap in photos.

>>9907358
Could you ask for brand as a birthday or Christmas gift? Or you could ask for/hint at a nice leather bag or shoes that could match both your normie and lolita wardrobe if you wear classic/goth (which is more practical than a main piece imo).

>>9907306
Unrelated random aside, but in a lot of Asian countries like China and Korea chewing with your mouth open is considered standard and not bad table manners. I'm not a fan either but I just like to attribute it to a weird cultural thing. I don't think most people notice until it's openly pointed out rather than them being rude or ill mannered unless otherwise proven.

>>9909018
I would argue etsy brands are far worse when compared to Taobao. There is really no contest.

>>9909081
that doesn't matter

My confession is that I’m self aware enough to know this hobby is creepy and weird. I love it, but the optics look like “dressing up in dolls clothes or trying to look younger”
I know it’s not that way from the inside, but that’s what the world sees it.
I don’t care how cute it is, the public views it on the same level as furries and fetishists
>inb4 who cares
It is what it is. Most of my com friends keep it secret from their loved ones because they know it’s bizarre
>we’re beautiful and nobody’s going to tell us different!
We are, but many many people tell us different and there’s no real argument against why it isn’t. Maybe that’s why I find it attractive.
But inwant to be a pediatrician someday, I’m now worried my obscure fashion choices and then display of said lifestyle will ever come back to haunt me.
It weird.

>>9909091
Idk where you live but I've never come across anyone who thinks I dress this way because of a fetish

>>9909093
It’s literally called “Lolita” anon

>>9909091
>pediatrician

Yooo if my childhood doctor was a princess do you have any idea how thrilled I would have been? You're gonna be a great doctor someday.

>>9909094
Yeah sorry I don't live in the US and nobody cares about that book here

>>9909096
Ignorance is bliss I guess, my point still stands

>>9909097
>that’s what the world sees
Nope

>>9909100
Lo·li·ta
lōˈlēdə/Submit
noun
a sexually precocious young girl.

5 seconds in google.

>>9907036
I've seen sweet dresses with an underskirt look excellent when done well. Especially on taller girls, it tones the sweet vibe down and makes it look more mature and fitting while still maintaining a cute look.

>>9909102
That's not what the entire world thinks though, far from it

>>9909102
https://www.behindthename.com/name/lolita
5 seconds in google

>>9909096
The book and two movies where all translated into several languages and released in multiple countries. The book is a classic and over 50 years old. You’re just ignorant to it.

>>9909110
>>9909113
sure

>>9909091
I get showered with compliments by normies ever time I wear lolita out. I wasn't aware that happens to furries or fetishists...

>>9909102
Though if you're literally telling strangers you're wearing "lolita" then you deserve any negative reaction you get. Why can't you just call it Japanese street fashion?

>>9908330
Depends on what kinds of drugs.

>>9909091
I’ve only had it recognized as lolita a few times and the reaction was positive, they knew exactly what it was. I wear it often, about 3x/week and I live in a conservative area. I get lots of compliments and friends and friends of friends just say ‘goth loli’ and I’m ok with it. My style is dark enough that my goth friends like and get it as an alt fashion. If strangers ask, I say ‘Japanese fashion’. I have not gotten any negativity, just a bit of confusion about why I am dressed ‘fancy’. But I wore more goth and witchy looking things before I wore lolita so I have not dressed norm-core for quite a long time.
I think a pediatrician wearing fairytale and cute prints would be pretty amazing.

>>9908752
>>9908823

My actual problem with weibo is that it keeps adding some random "popular" accounts to my reading list, does that still happen? Do I just need to follow a large number of people to stop that from happening?

It's so annoying I stopped checking weibo and apparently my account now no longer exists. I don't mind making another one but having to delete people off my """friends""" list that I never added is lowkey annoying.

>>9909102
>words have more than one meaning?
Better call up all the women with the given name Lolita and tell them to change it, lest "the world" accuses them or their parents of being fetishists.
My condolences on your retardation.

>>9909091
If you or your comm members are ashamed of it then that's entirely your problem. I've found that the more you squirm and shy away from explaining the fashion when people ask about it, the more they suspect it's something weird to be ashamed of.
I own the fact I wear it and love it and never had problems. Either own it or get out.

>>9909091
Just letting you know that I know this feel, even if it’s not stopping me from wearing lolita alone or with my comm. I envy the people replying that they’ve never been mistaken for fetishists because we definitely have been, at least in a group. People yell across the street calling us sex dolls and I’ve seen at least one woman angrily drag her little daughter away from us while the girl was clearly very excited and wanted to see our dresses up close. Maybe it’s just my country, but here adult women dressing childlike is quickly assumed to be a sex or mental illness thing. The only times we get purely positive reactions is when everyone’s in classic or when I’m in classic alone. Old school sweet gets even worse reactions than modern sweet.

However I think >>9909190 is right. When you act ashamed or squirm when people ask questions, they’ll be even more likely to think that it’s something shameful that you shouldn’t be doing in public. When you own it and act confident (but not arrogant and haughty), people react much better, or don’t react at all (which is my preference).

>>9908931
Some are fast fashion, some have been around since before lolita became fast fashion and it was still the "weird" J-Fash like in the west. Those tend to have better quality as well. Amastacia and Surface Spell are such examples

Haenuli is the new Ita brand

>>9909328
I was wondering if a few countries have this as well, disapproval of women dressing more child-like. I’d like to know which countries.

>>9909465
I WANT to like Haenuli. They work with a lot of themes I really like but their execution is just off somehow, and I can't tell quite what it is. I own Royal Kitten and I love it, but every release after that is no good.

>>9909533
Too many elements put together in each print most of the time. And the fact that she will make massive sizes.

>>9909534
I can’t fault her for that because fattie money is as good as skinny money. But it can hurt the impression of the brand? I like some of her older stuff but everything recent seems like she gets an idea from an enthusiastic 12 year old and makes it.

To an extent I don’t mind paying more than the quality of the garment if I really like the print. Look at people with Krad Lanrete

>>9909563
She doesn’t re-design the cut for fatties though she just grades the sizing up, and it looks bad.

>>9909534
>Too many elements put together in each print most of the time

this was the issue i had with the little prince print. i LOVE the little prince and was super pumped for the print...but it's so ugly. the colors clash really terribly and there's so much going on that you can't even tell what it is unless you look up close.

I'm against replicas but I sometimes fantasize about making a replica of my dream dress

>>9909091
your comm is filled with losers.

I pretend to be polite and innocent in my comm or whenever I go to Lolita events to get people to like me, and since they don't feel threatened by me I get to hear all the drama they have with other lolitad. And the people I think look like shit I come on here and talk crap about them, and nobody suspects it's me. Sometimes I want to talk shit to their face but it's not worth losing my perks. I just wonder if there's any of them who are trying to pull the same with me.

>>9910888
I totally do the same. I ended up genuinely liking a lot of people though so I post about comm members rarely, but I definitely hide my salt from 99% of people.

>>9910888
I'm sure there are. You and >>9911051 may think you are hiding all your salt but it's usually visible in little ways to those of us watching for your kind. The biggest secret is that it ends up poisoning yourself and your outlook then you dwell on drama and then you worry about who is trying to do it too.
I'm not saying 'lolitas have to be lovelies' but damn, is it too much to ask to not be salt-ridden cunts?

>>9909465
How is this a confession

>>9911071
Probably just an unpopular opinion that she expressed here anonymously so she wouldn't be lynched by the fatty brigade.

>>9909590
This could have been so cute if she didn't use that god awful galaxy print

>>9911070
I mean, takes one to know one, right?

I'm pretty open about being a salty cunt to my comm, but I don't talk shit about members because I actually like most of them. The ones I don't like I just don't really interact with.

>>9909091
same anon. the thing for me is if personal friends around me dont accept it for what it is and not for what others claim to be then i remove myself from their lives, i have no time to waste in people who will insist its a fetish when they should know me better than that. now the rest of the world, theyre probably gonna think its weird and i suppose i agree but they can suck my frills. i would only worry if my career could be affected by it, lets say if i was doing law or any government jobs but since im not i could care less, and even then im sure some lolitas probably do law and just stick with classic so it looks normie friendly

>>9909465
>>9909533
i got rid of the only haenuli dress i got. usual japanese brands either dont fit me or barely fit me since im tall, but the Medium size I got was huuuge on me, it's wild to me that sizes go up so big considering how big the one i had was. and i agree that they have too many elements, if she toned it down i would probably like her prints and designs more wish her the best though but not my personal fav. i think op just thinks its ita since bigger girls wear them but i wouldnt agree since theyre still pricey so theyre a bit out of reach for actual itas

I'm 21 and the closest thing I have to friends or social interaction is buying and talking about lolita on 4chan.

3 years ago I would have hated myself for this exact thing. I don't talk about it though. I'm just kind of riding with it. I figured that since I have no one to lose but my partner, I might as well live my childhood dream of being a lolita. I still have a lot to learn but it's been nice interacting with other people who are or have been in my situation.

>>9911268
I’m sure everyone has some sodium at times but most of us don’t get sucked into it like this. I watch for the signs of it for 2 reasons, 1 to ward off potential drama and 2 to try to be a bit nicer to a miserable salt-chan in hopes it improves her self esteem so she doesn’t feel so mean towards others.

>>9911281
Surely you’ve seen enough brand itas? Also, some of us think being fat is a big strike that makes someone more ita no matter how well they coord. Hug boxes aside, there is always going to be a group that thinks fat = at least somewhat ita.

>>9907504
>>9907494
No, but I want to hear his explanaition tho.

>>9907792
Is it really as good as they say? Aren't artist starting to saturate the market now. It feels like everyone and their grandma wants to do furry porn now.

>>9907850
I think people just say that to prove their point.

>>9911309
I'm 25, and I hate not having irl friends. I've felt so isolated the last few years, but I've had to move a few times and find it difficult to make friends anyways. Seagulls have helped me through some really dark times, but I need more than an anonymous image board.

>>9909465
It's funny bc nobody in korea wears haenuli either. K-Lolitas go nuts over baroque and lief but I've not seen ONE korean lolita in the past 4 years wear haenuli.

I passed out in public wearing lolita

>>9911389
She got kicked out of Korean comms

>>9911746

She got kicked out for buying secondhand from Korean comms and selling it to Westerners.

Really only fatties go 'uwu Haenuli is soooo nice' probably for catering to their landwhale size, and even then not very well.

>>9911645
please tell us more anon

>>9911309
Makes me wonder
How does one can be in a relationship without being able to create and maintain friendship bonds?
>tfw the exact opposite
>see friends every week end
>call them during the week
>can't into romantic relationships somehow

>>9911779
Simple answer is date your friends, anon.

>>9911385
I really, really like ignoring the fact that my only social interaction is on here desu. I used to have a decent Facebook audience then I went off the deep end, and as I was recovering in the hospital the rest of them abandoned me. I want to move to Washington, I have friends there. But I'm too piss poor at social interaction anymore that I can't be bothered to reach out again. It feels like everything will go wrong again.

>>9911779
I mean I have periods of time where I have local friends. Most of them are shitty normie people I meet to fill the void, I have a very hard time finding other anime nerds who aren't weebs or into a different genre than me. I like to think I'm cute, and that I'm not awful awful to be around, and I attribute that to why I have a partner

>>9911750
Why would the comms care if she bought and sold secondhand. Lots of US lolitas do that with second hand, though with new, people can get salty because of limited new releases.
She is the fatty brand though, and it seems all of her shop stuff goes on sale so now who would buy it full price?

>>9911385
>>9911865
25-30 is about the time most friend circles dissolve. Maybe not always, but in my case all of mine, one by one, either got married or moved within a few years of graduating college. By all accounts their only friends is their SOs and/or kids. I don’t know many adults that have real friends except the occasional con meetup, but even then it isn’t the same.
It’s just part of growing up I guess.

>>9911389
because Koreans dont want to wear a fat person brand KEK

>>9911894
I just love the feeling of having another person around to give my affection to, not just romantically. I want to share experiences with people I love, I want to meet new people and travel and have fun. I just don't have the social ability anymore, or I guess I'm assuming I don't. My local friends just dropped off one by one, they pretty much all ghosted me, while my ldr friends have lives away from me and we talk rarely anymore since We've all moved. Even comm meets intimidate me socially at this point, but that might just be my abandonment paranoia

>>9911905
from my own personal experience, you just have to do what you want to do and have fun with yourself and somehow that attracts people who want to join in.

>>9911879
She was a scalper

>>9911894
That's really sad lmao. Don't your parents have friends? My parents and aunts and uncles all hand plenty of friends.

>>9911865
I found a lot of anime nerds at metal bars and hard rock cafe for some reason

>>9911750
Korean girls gave her discounts and she turned around and scalped them to Westerners. Also brand leaving Korea basically “can’t be recovered” so they wanted to keep pieces in domestic circulation

>>9912002
Luck them, and you, that’s not the norm unless it’s within the family. most millenials entering the workforce don’t have that luxury. It’s not easy, it’s why people combine their hobbies and socializing, if you’ve noticed. Not nearly enough time for both, barely for one

>>9911778
I had just had a change to my glasses prescription and was feeling light headed.
I went with my friend to some marvel exhibition she was interested in.
Some creepy staff member kept following us around. He was roleplaying, I guess, but it came on way too strong.
The combination of that, the dizziness from ym glasses and the poor lighting in the building led me to pass out.
Thankfully the guy left us way alone after that

Sometimes I want to buy ita dresses (no lace monsters). I know it is a waste of money, but there is something with some designs that made me think about how to make them work.
For example, pic related. It makes me want to create a coord inspired in Klaus Nomi.
I never do it, but temptation is always close.

Being a lonelita was the best decision of my life, but sometimes I miss meet new people.

>>9911905
>>9911385


nayrt. Join interest groups. Just needs to be something that meets up fairly decently often and holds some activities you more or less like. Can be church groups, knitting groups, sewing club, you can even join your residents association or the local soup kitchen. A good choice is toastmasters, if you have one locally. It directly aims to help people become better at public speaking, so you're encourage to hone your people skills and confidence.

The people attending aren't all going to become your best buddies, but usually you can find one or two people you can get along with, then invite them to do other stuff with you.

>>9912324

I've done this, but imo the fabric quality puts me off from ever doing it again.

If I saw another ita dress I coveted badly I'd probably just recreate it myself using better quality materials, or have it sewn by a local seamstress, instead of spending $50 for some stiff and weird dress I don't actually like to wear.

It annoys me when lolitas deny their bodies in this alt fashion. I got into this fashion as a woman who happened to like frilly dresses. As such, I like the curves of my body, the cleavage between my boobs, and the slope of my hips. Sometimes I like showing my love of frills and my body at the same time. Hence: tasteful cleavage.

This is something I never understood in the community. Lolita makes me feel so beautiful that it empowers me, makes me confident, makes me enjoy my womanliness...and sometimes that makes me feel sexy about myself. Is there really such a disconnect between the two without always being accused of enhaging in age play, etc????

>>9912964
Not everybody likes dressing sexy anon.

I've masturbated in lolita, not because I find it sexy, but because that's just what I happened to be wearing at the time.