/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

My friend has a hard time buying things unless she sees them in person, so I lend her my coords so that she'll buy the same things as me and we'll twin them.

I want to be efamous.

>>9904888
this is genius

>found a dress secondhand, it's a little expensive for secondhand but I fell in love with it so I buy it
>few days later searching google images for something random
>mfw I see a fucking replica of this dress

wtf its really random. it's a non-printed dress from 10 years ago I'm sure many ppl dont even know it exists, but the replica is readily available.
basically I'm worried ppl don't even know that the replica even is one, and just think I'm wearing some shitty taobao dress

I add gifts to my sales as an apology for lacking service.
I also feel bad about a lot of good feedback I get but don't deserve, just because I'm friendly and kind. I take pretty long to ship things out because my schedule doesn't mix well with the usual business hours and when I'm free I often end up sleeping the whole day. On some days, even replying is hard and exhausting too, sometimes I forget it. Then there are nervous buyers who start spamming after not getting a reply for one or two days and it becomes even more exhausting. I know these sound like lazy excuses, I'm sorry.. If only there was something like closetchild and wunderwelt for the western market, I'd dump all my sales there.

I often buy dresses that I have no intention on wearing just to post in my comms monthly purchases threads. Sometimes I’ll wear them to meets just to watch the itas and poor lolitas cry about how they wanted that print but couldn’t get it. My favorite is their excuses like “ oh I had to pay my electric bill” or “ I missed the preorder” and “ I wanted that color way but it sold before I could get it so I didn’t buy any thing”. I love it when they ask me if I would sell it to them on a payment plan or for cheaper then it’s worth on the second hand market to cut costs on “ shipping” or “ I’ll give you good feedback you can trust”. You snooze you loose. Fix your credit and get a credit card with a higher limit and you can be me.

>>9904919
from the bottom of my heart, reorient your opinions of yourself. how you ship stuff doesn't matter in life, but the fact that you have genuine heartburn over feeling like you don't deserve fake feedback points on the internet means you have a serious self-esteem problem. you're worth more than this, anon. help is out there if you need it, but seriously, please think better of yourself.

I understand admiring and looking up to Mana but lolitas who worship him and bring him up at every occasion are really embarrassing.

My biggest confession is that I’ve never used a shopping service. Ever. Never ordered from taobao, mbok, yahoo auctions, fril or mercari. My reasons are the following

>no matter how much I read I’m too stupid to understand them
I still am lost on how shopping services work, how to pay them, how to order, how to navigate auction sites

>doesn’t seem cheaper
while on the surface, you might win an AP JSK from an auction for ¥4000 yen. But then you got fees, domestic shipping fees, international shipping fees, sometimes PayPal fees. I’d rather just buy a ¥6000 dress from wunderwelt/closetchild/lacemarket that has the price right there in ink.

>I’m impatient
I don’t know how people can order from taobao and wait months for their purchase. I wish I had that kind of patience.

>>9904929
meant to put an I think at the front of that
confession cause can't say this off anon unless I want to make my comm angry

I know it's edgy, but I get great satisfaction knowing I piss off some lolitas by doing experimental coords (especially ones that are less traditional lolita and borderline another fashion, in order to go to out drinking or go to concerts). I mean I do it because I enjoy it, first and foremost, and I still dress in traditional lolita, but something about knowing it also happens to bother others brings a small amount of spiteful joy to my heart.

>>9904930
Same. Just... CC and WW are better friends for me rather than all the SS mystery

I really like the format of Amino - sort of reminds me of the ol' days of lj. But the demographic sucks.

I have another confession mana-sama,

I developed ibs from being an ana-chan for a long time, and while it hurts and isn't pleasant, I'm secretly happy it helps me never gain any weight

I've been in lolita for like 12-13 years and followed the comm for 15-16. I still don't give a fuck about the history or culture of the fashion and only know anything about it because I witnessed it firsthand. It's baffling when people criticize younger or newer lolitas for not doing their research on the history or cultural significance on the fashion. if you're interested in that kind of thing it's all well and good, but I don't see the need to care if it's just fashion at face value for you.

>>9904992
what is ibs

>>9905027
Irritable Bowel Syndrome.

>>9905025
I see your point, but at the same time, newbs who only care about the recent kawaii uguu trends tend to spout shit like "black and white is ita! who the hell is Mana? is he a trans woman?" and it makes them sound retarded, so I don't blame anyone for getting upset about newbies not knowing shit and not caring about knowing shit about the fashion they supposedly care about.
These types rarely wear the fashion on their own, mind you, they go to meetups and interact with the community where they can spread their idiocy to other newbs.

>>9904930
Barely anything good pops up on cc and ww these days.

>>9904901
I never buy from taobao again since I accidentally bought two replicas there

>>9904941
>less traditional lolita and borderline another fashion, in order to go to out drinking or go to concerts
Can you post some coords in the party thread? I'm really curious how people do this without dying from heat and getting stains on their blouse

>>9904924
this is awesome anon. I cant stand poor fags in my comm. I need to do this also.

>>9904930
You are right about the damn fees. I have bought a lot through SS because it was maybe 20-50$ cheaper. But then you have to pay domestic shipping, commission, fees, international shipping, and I probably didn't save anything. Maybe broke even but probably paid a tiny bit more than the Western market

>>9905025
It's not just a fashion though, it's a subculture - Sure, it's a fashion-based subculture, whether it does or doesn't have any specific philosophy behind it is debatable, but it's not like other fashion styles like larme that don't really have a history behind them. Obviously you (a general you) don't have to like, participate in, or even care about every aspect of the subculture, especially if you just buy the clothes to wear on your own; but when you come into the community without even caring to know anything about it, it comes across as disrespectful and shallow. Many people that are like this are, coincidentally, disrespectful and shallow in general, and they drop the fashion after a year or two when they see that lolita doesn't make them special and unique like they expected.

>>9904992
I don’t think it’s the ibs anon. Ibs just means your body shits when it’s not happy with what you ate. Happens to a lot of people who have their galblader taken out. That doesn’t mean they lose weight at all. You keep your weight down because you are conscious of what you eat and are worried about your weight. Not the disease.

I enjoy being an elitist and think it should be a good thing.
1. Poor fags dont need to be in lolita, Im talking about the girls who always complain about not being able to afford brand to make a decent coord. Lacemarket is hella cheap lately.
2. Your coord needs time and thought put into it. and FOLLOW THE RULES. we have rules for a reason. No normie shit needs to be in a lolita coord unless you are actually skilled at putting a coord together.
3. Daily wear is great when you know what you are doing. Half assed coords are not daily wear, excuses.
4.Lolita is a luxury fashion. It should be ok to have standards. Im tired of the ass pats on shitty coords. Or how you cant get offended anymore by tumblr fags trying to do lolita.

>>9905025
Usually they only say that to itas and weebs who can’t coord or are spouting nonsense. Many of the rest of us don’t care about the history either, we just want to dress up and go out in our frilly fashion.

>>9904924
As long as you produce good coords, who really cares? But do you? Queen weeb over your local poorfag comm in a debu-chan foreign street fashion isn’t any real accomplishment, so while you might feel superior lording it over them, you’d do better to think apples to apples and compare yourself to your peers who can also afford their nice things, travel, and other similar hobbies.
You may be thinking cream rises but also remember that shit floats.

>>9905056
Agreed.
To add to this, I wish it was more acceptable to be strict with itas; not to exclude them completely because for some people it is a learning process, but if someone insists on looking like garbage and shows absolutely no improvement, they should get the boot. This is a fashion community, not a safe space for kids playing dress up; if you don't care about fashion and aesthetic then you don't belong here.

>>9905056
It doesn’t sound like you are enjoying the fashion, it sounds like you are whining about what other people do or don’t do.
Instead, why not just buy up the cheap good brand, make your own coords the very best they can be, wear them well and often, following the rules and keep your standards high.
Stop worrying about what others are doing and be your own very best at all times. That’s the secret to doing it well and being a true elitist. So elitist that you give no fucks.

>>9905056
Are you telling me people that live paycheck to paycheck can't wear lolita?how dare you

>>9905064
I enjoy the fashion plenty. I just get tired of how the thought of lolita has changed. "we dont want to offend" anyone now by hurting their feelings. Its hilarious.

>>9905063
YES ANON! preach.

to all the itas in my comm. GTFO.
Or actually learn.

>>9904924
>Don't pay your bills and put expensive luxury items on credit cards
Anon I guess I never realized how stupid lolitas were when it came to money

>>9905063
I do exclude itas, I simply don’t invite them. Sure there is the regular public comm which is usually for all, let them go to those meets.

>>9905041
Darker blouses, cheaper skirts. I like mixing in topshop shoes or going over the top with my makeup, or wearing normie tops. I probably won't self post but I'd suggest a cage petti, and bright/dark color contrasts (But not so that it hurts the eyes you know?). I like backpacks over purses, and always the biggest platforms I can get my hands on, so I guess that's kind of how I do it at least

>>9905075
Nayrt but I charge everything on my cc, those points and perks add up! But I pay all my bills and zero my cards monthly to avoid any fees.

>>9905076
Oh sure, I meant that I wish it was more acceptable as a general consensus of the international community. If most of us can agree that Milanoo is shit, I wish most of us also agreed that people who insist on wearing Milanoo-tier shit don't belong with us.
This extends to perpetual replica-chans and all the other riffraff the community insists on accepting for some reason, like cosplayers and fetishists.

>>9905083
The problem is how do you sort out who comes in...say a girl comes in with a Milanoo dress. She can easily learn and improve or stay Milanoo tier but how do you tell unless you give her the opportunity? And once someone is in a comm, if they are kicked there is ususlly butthurt regardless of the reason. I’m really all for the 2 comm system, containment comm as the public one and then private comm of actual lolitas. We do have a ‘no cosplay’ rule, and we would kick fetishists who act inappropriately. The replica thing varies though, unfortunately, I know some comm admins who wear them.

>>9905041
What party thread?

>>9905083
Wtf kind of comm are you in? I would just hang out with my friends or become a lonelita at that point

Eventhough I wear Lolita in my daily life as well, most of the dresses I own were bought for a certain event. Having an event, party or concert coming up just gives me a reason to buy a completely new coordinate. I don’t want to wear a dress I have already worn before. While for Lolita meetings I don’t care if I have already worn it.
All my other items were either presents, cheap or something I actually really wanted.

I think there is a lot more replica-wearing than people want to admit and it just gets ignored. And no, I’m not for this, I hate them.

>>9905091
>how do you tell unless you give her the opportunity?
It was said upthread, this refers to constant itas, not newbies who make newbie mistakes.

>>9905094
My comm does have a lot of itas in it, unfortunately, and I do rarely meet them and just wear the fashion on my own because of this. Sadly, seeing how so many girls dress themselves, I doubt this is exclusive to my comm.

>>9905100
Ok so who does the judging on ‘how ita’ for how long and how do you handle the removal? I’m for it, I’m just not sure how a comm can realistically approach it in a practical way. The only way I know to do it is to require full coords with brand pieces and even then you’ll get the brand itas. In smaller, poorer comms, the itas support each other and often make up 1/2 the comm.

>>9905099
Most lolitas worth their salt (kek) can tell genuine pieces from replicas. It's ignored depending on context; i.e. people talk shit about girls who wear replicas to events, sometimes while publicly commenting on it directly to the girl in question (at least on social media), and gulls have debated the feasibility of banning replicas on COF; but at actual meetups, people turn a blind eye to it because it's not exactly socially acceptable to tell someone the dress they're wearing is shit.
You can be sure that itas who gloat because supposedly no one can tell they're wearing a replica are either in a comm full of other itas, or are simply in denial.

>>9905105
So if we are willing to turn a blind eye to them in meets, people will continue to buy and wear them so that’s not good. I do think they should be banned on CoF.

>>9905080
which is perfectly fine anon. AND it builds your credit.

>>9905105
But it is also unacceptable to bring bootlegs into legit hobby spaces and most other hobbies don’t excuse or allow it. But I think they put the rule in place when they form the group. Im not sure why this did not happen for lolita back when the livejournal EGL banned them so I’m not really sure how we could enforce it better now.

>>9905091
I say all newcomers, get 6 months trial period to be accepted into the comm.

>>9905125
That’s a good idea for the new people, a trial period to get sorted out, and 6 months is enough time to put together at least 2 coords, I guess, bare minimum. But also what do you do about the existing itas and undesirables if they are already in the comm group?

>>9905123
Did you see the shitfit people threw at the mods on EGL when they banned the discussion of replicas? And that was when one of the brands (likely AP) approached the mods instead of filing a cease and desist; EGL could have been shut down in an instant if the mods didn't comply but replica-chans had to cry about it because muh budget and muh elitism.
If something this drastic didn't make them see reason, I sadly can't imagine another scenario that'll change their mind, unless the community as a whole decides to stop coddling them and giving them passes. They'll probably still cry and call us elitist bitches but if that's the only "consequence" then I'm all for it.

>>9905060
My comm is pretty much divided into two. The girls who can afford lolita and dress well ( heathers) and the poor fags who think bodyline is a good source of lolita pieces (Megs). We all mingle together, but the Megs are very whiny and feel attacked when the heathers wear brand and look better. As a Heather, we have a private discord where we often will plan meets at more upscale places we know a meg can’t go to because “ muh it costs too much”. Call it elitism, but if you can’t stop whining about how you can’t afford a dress, then why would we want to associate with someone who whines because they don’t know how to budget and improve themselves in the fashion?

>>9905075
Ayrt. There’s nothing wrong with using a credit card for luxuries. I make pretty good money and can afford my bills. But I prefer to use a credit card for larger luxury items because you can make smaller payments to get the same item that without a credit card you have to pay flat out. I pay my credit cards off before they are due and turn around to do the same a month or two later if I see something I want. Lolitas are not bad with their money. Just stupid people who can’t budget themselves properly aka itas who whine about costs and bills all the time.

All OTT coords look like costumes. Cgl always bitch about simple or plain coordinates, but I think they're much nicer.

>>9905129
tell them you are changing the group for the better, and let them know they either need to get their shit together (politely) or be asked to leave.
Not everything in life is happy. You might have to just upset them.

>>9905134
You end up paying more for your item by quite a bit if you pay any credit card interest which imo is not very smart. I say if you can’t afford to get your dress and pay your bills and still zero your card monthly then you can’t really afford lolita.

Also thinking a lolita dress is a ‘larger luxury item’.
Wat?

The gulf becomes apparent when conversations come up at meets and someone says they are living on ramen to get their next used skirt on a payment plan and someone else is deciding which 3 new releases to get for their upcoming summer trip to Paris. Often these two people will not have much in common, even within the fashion.

Elitist wanna bee, (the credit card chan) would be the social climber in the middle. (kek)

>>9905131
Nice anon. I like this. although its a shame the main group cant eliminate the weebs.

>>9905138
Agreed. Imo it's not necessarily a bad thing, haute couture can be over the top and look costumey too; but girls who wear exclusively OTT and then bitch about "the normies" complimenting them on their costumes, are hilariously delusional.

Anyone who complains about Lolita being too expensive or not catering to all body sizes need to leave and find another fashion that caters to their cheap, plus sized needs

>>9905105
This is how it works in my comm, yeah. Itas wear outright print replicas to meetups and people don’t say anything or even compliment them, then go “yeesh” behind their back. Sometimes someone lets slip that they don’t like replicas and the replica-chan gets huffy and makes “lolitas are bullies!!” posts on FB for a week or two. There’s one woman who has been in the comm since its inception in like 2004 and she’s a proud replica-chan and community shit talker. If we haven’t been able to get rid of her I don’t have much hope for getting rid of the newer replica-chans.

I wish lolitas didn’t care so much about being seen as elitists. We’re bending over backwards to avoid hurting the feelings of random weebs who aren’t even truly invested in the hobby, and still they cry bully when someone suggests they might want to trim the bangs of their wig. There’s no winning with these people, so why do we keep trying? It’s not like they contribute anything to the comm in return.

>>9905034
Maybe to you, but I got a dream dress off WW recently for $70

>>9905149
This makes sense, to set the group on a 6 month clean-up schedule to give existing members 6 months to get with it or get removed, hopefully inspiring them to jump in or to up their game to a good full coord. However we all know the perma-itas long in the fashion who think they are quite clever and stylish, (tiferet, anyone?) so a comm admin would really have to be a brave bossy boots to kick them. I’m not sure I know any mods who are that hardcore and usually the people sitting around trying to make these arbitrary rules aren’t the leaders, admins or mods. Not saying they are wrong, just maybe not quite practical when it comes down to actually doing it and running a comm that retains any active members. Especially in comms where the itas actually outnumber the well dressed people.

Although something can also be said for decent potential lolitas being off put from even joining a group that is visibly full of itas, weebs and cosplayers. I wonder if this happens, they look and just nope away.

>>9905168
>I wish lolitas didn’t care so much about being seen as elitists. We’re bending over backwards to avoid hurting the feelings of random weebs who aren’t even truly invested in the hobby, and still they cry bully when someone suggests they might want to trim the bangs of their wig. There’s no winning with these people, so why do we keep trying? It’s not like they contribute anything to the comm in return.
This, all this. This is why I don't care if some whiny ita calls me a snob for suggesting another source to buy from that isn't eBay; there's no reason for us to become doormats to please these people

>>9905172
>I wonder if this happens, they look and just nope away.
If we take some gulls' anecdotes of their personal experiences into account, it does happen.

I'm a mod and ngl I'm tempted to do this with my comm. I couldn't care less about impressing or befriending ita weebs so I don't mind being the big elitist meanie on behalf of the well dressed girls; but I'm a co-mod so I'll have to bring it up to the other mods first.

I say start a Facebook Lolita elitist group. Fuck it. it shall be called
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Lolitist: Lolitas with Standards
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Only legit lolitas who post good coords can join.
I want to make one. I am sure it would take off actually. You can post good coords, talk about how you really feel, and host epic meetups.
we havent had any good drama in years--lets start some anons.
I tried for a photo. I am sure other anons have much better designs, but its a start.

>>9905186
>we havent had any good drama in years--lets start some anons.
lol wat
The purpose of this isn't to create drama, you mongoloid. Besides, I vaguely remember someone tried to start something like this, or just started an FB group that gulls discussed, only to be revealed as an ita themselves. I'd be wary of joining a group that's conceived on cgl unless it proved to be legitimate.

>>9905186
So make it and clearly define the rules. No replica prints. No skater dresses. No hot topic main pieces. No cosplay (except what about the innocent world Rozenmaiden collab pieces?), no cheap wigs ( except at least 3 of your girls pictured are wearing GLW). No bodyline (except they are the source of larger shoe sizes and their plain cotton pieces are ok)...so how will you do it, exactly? Also, one other point, are YOU yourself good enough with your own coords and your wardrobe and your lifestyle to judge?

I hope so but I’d need to see it.

>>9904924
While I don't like rubbing my purchases in my comm's face, there are a few casual lolita friends I have who are really bad with their money and they constantly coo over my wardrobe because it is pretty big now.

It's a bit uncomfortable because their diet/lifestyles are rather poor. (They buy a lot of food out and eat a lot of junk, so they complain about their weight a lot and that they yoyo with fitting in their dresses. One doesn't even have a real job, she does fair-weather art commissions.) It's uncomfortable but also a bit frustrating because I make my meals 99% of the time so I budget and I rarely waste money on empty junk food, movies, starbucks, eating out, etc. so I have savings for lolita and other nice things.

I like them, but it's a weird feel.

>>9905168
What really needs to happen is during a comm's creation, one of the rules needs to be No Replicas. That would nip it in the bud.

>>9905093
>>9902019

>>9904924
>excuses like “ oh I had to pay my electric bill”
>paying an electric bill
>an excuse
That's actually called a priority.

So do any of you have the guts to post a group picture of your comm? Because I find it very hard to believe that half of the members are itas who start crying when you try to help them.

>>9905231
Of course they don't.
It's a fantasy they make up in their head to pretend they're more important than they actually are.

>>9905163
Not of you don’t max your credit card out. My interest is like non existent since I play off my card before it accumulates. I get cash back bonuses if I do this and that itself can turn to pay for another item if I desire to use it for such. And yes lolita is a luxury item. You don’t NEED it to live.

>>9905231
Not going to post a pic of my comm because I have no interest in posting them on cgl, no matter how ita they are. They've been posted in the past though, the majority of them is ita without a single doubt.

>>9905202
Why don't you explain to them that you were able to buy new lolita clothes because you saved money by not eating out. It's very hard to change habits/lifestyle, but they might be able to do it with lolita as their motivation and the support and advice of a friend.

>>9905211
And if your comm was made after the big first wave of replica bans, I agree. Some of us are stuck with older comms. A few got a fresh start when there was a FB snafu and some comm groups were deleted and re-started but many are pre-ban still, complete with itas, replica-chans and lurkers.

One thing I’d suggest for local comms also is ‘must attend one meet per year in a lolita coordinate’ as a rule. If you have members who are out of town guests that are known lolitas, they could be an exception but otherwise, if you are local, turn out or get out, no lurking.

>>9905237
Posting a group pic on cgl would be too rude but kicking them out of the comm completely is okay?

>>9905211
I shame comm members that post replicas to the comm page. I didn't wear them when I was a fattychan and no-one else needs to either.

>>9905241
Yes, because kicking them out increases the quality of our comm, while posting them here just sets them up for mockery by strangers. I don't want to mock them, I'd just rather not associate with them because they don't actually wear lolita.

>>9905230
That’s not a reason to whine about why someone else was able to get something you where not. I don’t think you got what anon was saying. If you can’t buy it because you where paying your bills you don’t go “ I couldn’t get that dress because I had to pay my electricity” in the haul thread of your Facebook group. It’s just whining for the sake of whining.

>>9905239
>no lurking

Why this rule?
I'm taking a hiatus from lolita for monetary and physical reasons but that doesn't eliminate the fact that I coorded excellently when I was active, attended events, and still have friends in that group.
I'd be so fucking pissed if you were a mod for my comm.

>>9905244
Or make a second Facebook group where only the well dressed lolitas can talk. Leave the main one for larger meets and the new one for nicer looking meets. Make an application process for the new group and invite the lolitas who belong in it. If you want no itas, you will shift your group over to the new one while the itas remain in their pig pen till they learn to improve.

>>9905247
I wouldn't care what they'd say but that's just me.

>>9905194
so~ the only people who can join provide photos of them self in lolita. They have to actually have photos on Facebook. Most lolitas post pictures anyways--so its an easy way to verify if they are good or not.

>>9905251
That's not a bad idea, actually. I suppose they'll still cry elitism when and if they find out but hey, nothing is perfect.

>>9905238
Nayrt but most of these gals who join just like the idea of lolita and never make it out of the beginner or their ita stage because for many without disposable income or naturally lower weight, lolita often IS a struggle and not one they are super-motivated to undertake with enough commitment to do it well.

It’s frustrating because often those of us who do it right really don’t want to be stuck with those who are kind of half-assing it. And I don’t think that’s so terribly mean or elitist to admit. While >>9905186
May be a little hard-line, I can’t say I have not wished for at least one group where replicas are banned and we can honestly just say ‘thats not lolita’ when something breaks the rules.
Id be more down for a ‘Lolita By the Book’ group that just followed the basic lolita fashion rules and did not allow replicas or non-lolita main pieces and where concrit was honest but not mean. It may be trite but I’m ok with compliment sandwich as a concrit method.

>>9905250
Yours is a special case, and something that needs to be addressed, like out of town known good lolitas. I meant inactive lurkers who haven’t proven themselves and aren’t just on hiatus like you are. There has to be a way to clean the group of inactive people.

>>9905163
Man I would hate to be your credit score. You do know that having a credit card and paying it off builds your credit score right? And using the card to buy something that’s your hobby that you could afford even without the card is a win win situation. You are getting an item you want while your credit is building so you can buy that nice fancy house with a closet big enough you could hold a wedding in it for all your dresses. If anon has a good job like they claim, then this is exactly what they are doing and helping themselves for their future.

>>9905231
Im in a USA east coast comm--and we have a bunch of itas in our comm and many memebrs I have never seen, and are not active. I attend most meetups still.

>>9905251
This has been done in several comms and the butthurt and resentment never dies. It’s both amusing and tiresome by turns. Eventually the loudest whiner itas improve a little, buy some brand but still have piglet behavior but they cry enough and get their friends within the good group to vett them in and then the new comm becomes inactive because...itas and badly behaved people. Then what?

>>9905256
That’s their problem. They either improve or cry. Not your problem at all. You could disguise it as a /your comm name here/ mentors group. And those in it are just where mentors talk to one another and in the main group add a note about mentors are approved individuals who help guide the community when fashion related questions are brought up. You have your group of well dressed lolitas while the itas think it’s just a group for the mentors to discuss mentor things.

I hate how lolita looks now days. I love the look of oldschool and the early 2000's up until about 2012. I'm especially in love with 2010 pastel vomit sweet.
The prints and cuts brands put out are disappointing, the coords people do are disappointing (usually- even if they're cute, they're not great like coords from back then were)
I dress myself like 2010 era sweet, yet I never see anyone else do it, not even in Japan. I miss the big curly wigs, ageplay prints and super light pastel colors. I miss the elegant yet cool vibe oldschool gothic has.
I just want lolita to look like how it looked like when I started

>>9905231
I used to be in a comm that was mostly ita when I was an ita noob myself, I can't post a pic without very likely outing myself.

>>9905186
>>9905253

>>9905289
There are already several groups that require a proof photo of you in lolita, that’s not new. But given this ‘lolitist’ person’s choice of photo and their lack of graphic skill and taste and judging by their grammar I’m guessing they are not the most refined of creatures themselves.
Just a hunch.

I’m a noob and incredibly dumb with my money. I keep buying dream items that I can’t actually wear because I own absolutely no basics or even accessories. All I do is take them out of the closet, try them on, appreciate the details and put them back. I can’t stop.

>>9905288
So what motivated you to get better and how long did it take? Maybe these are some of the questions we should be asking as we think of overhauling the comms. Rules that allow someone a good chance and amount of time but let us cull the ones who are not really motivated and coming along to meet some basic standards.

>>9905302
You need to buckle down and complete your coords and wear them. Make a plan and a list and give yourself a deadline.

>>9905265
maybe she's not from the US so using a credit card is more expensive than just paying immediately

>>9905256
You can make the comm for a specific area so it doesn't immediately feel like you're trying to compete with the other comm

>>9905278
It didn't look like that when it started and ageplay prints and pastel colours and solids still exists. The only thing I hear people have trouble with is finding the right wig.

I agree that what Fanny Rosie wears often isn’t really recognisable as lolita but I’m starting to prefer her coords to the other coords posted to COF. I wish there was a group or community for people who have “graduated” from full-on lolita and are going in a more mature, toned-down direction without going completely normie. I’ve tried vintage groups but those are all full of fat women in tacky repro who think putting on red lipstick makes them look like Marilyn Monroe or Bettie Page, while the more classic looks I’m looking for are few and far between. I wish there was a single style that encompasses toned-down classic lolita, natural kei and western (pre-50’s) vintage.

>>9905131
It's super cringey that you're referring to you/them as Heathers/Megs.

>>9905278
>ageplay prints
You realize this does nothing to support your case, right? You can just call them by what they are: Baby prints, or nursery themed prints. No need to bring fetish shit into this, even if you're being ironic.

>>9905317
>isn’t really recognisable as lolita
No offense but this is such stupid reasoning. Lolita is supposed to be quite timeless, yes there are major changes and trends but you don't have to follow them to ''pass'' as a lolita, especially if you've been wearing lolita for 10+ years like Fanny Rosie. There's nothing about her coord that screams ''not lolita''. She herself still identify as a lolita but some other people say she's not lolita enough.

>>9905302
While it's easy to be impulsive with dresses (I assume that's what you mean by "dream items"?) at first, I highly suggest browsing blouses/cutsews/accessories on your favorite brand stores and second hand. You just need to fall in love with other things that you can wear with your dresses. I understand, dresses are my favorite part about the fashion, but once I started finding accessories/blouses/cardigans/cutsews/hair accessories that I fell in love with independently, it helped my wardrobe become more complete and it is easier to coord the same dresses different ways. For the pieces that don't give me much interest (often legwear/shoes), I spring for a more costly pair if it brings me a lot of joy but otherwise keep it very simple in terms of variation.

>>9905317
What she wears usually still contains the elements of a Lolita coordinate. There’s not a group for it probably because it’s not that common. Maybe a request thread here would turn up more examples.

>>9905318
I think its a perfect analogy

>>9905317
>I wish there was a single style that encompasses toned-down classic lolita, natural kei and western (pre-50’s) vintage
Isn't that literally what classic lolita is? It includes inspiration from the rococo and victorian eras, as well as inspo from retro fashion styles, and old school classic can look a lot like natural kei. What more do you need?
The general lolita community turned classic lolita into an abomination that's unrecognizable from what it used to be, but that doesn't mean you can't wear something similar to Fanny Rosie's style; and it doesn't mean that you need an entire new name for it, either. It's just classic lolita, anon.

>>9905317

Girly kei would encompass her look, but there never seems to be enough ongoing interest to keep threads alive.

>>9905278
I love the pic you posted, especially black frills + red hair combo. I've always secretly wanted black lace monster, but I don't think I would ever wear one.

>>9905323
> some other people say she's not lolita enough
I think that's newbies who aren't familiar with how versatile lolita fashion really is. She's a lolita wearing lolita brands with a petticoat, why would you call it anything else? I guess some newbies get confused when they don't see a print or abundance of lace.

>>9905333
There is a girly thread right now. But I think there are less people interested in jfashion on cgl in general. No resin, taobao, larme threads etc. The kimono threads disappeared too, came back merged with wa lolita threads but still inactive, and the make-up, hair and skincare threads became 1.

My confession is that I used to overshare to other comm members. I know it's super annoying, nobody deserves this much shit about people and events they never knew about. Although my lolita community is the only source of socialization I have, so I don't yet know how do I get it sorted.

I always feel nervous wearing lolita outside. I know gulls say "if you care what other people think you're treating the fashion like a costume!" But I don't think that's true. I really do love lolita I just hate drawing attention.

I unintentionally started a nickname for someone in my comm. I posted a cap of them saying something dumb with it as the filename and people ran with it. I even referred to her by it a couple times myself.

>>9905304
How do I stop feeling guilty about missing out on DD’s? Most of them are hard to find and if they do come up eventually, they get purchased almost immediately. Do I just stop lurking and convince myself that I’ll find them again?

>>9905342
>"if you care what other people think you're treating the fashion like a costume!"
Is that what gulls say? Maybe if you only wear it to cons because you're afraid people will look at you if you wear it casually.
I hate the attention too and sometimes I opt for black frills instead of pink so I stand out less; but I still always wear lolita, even if sometimes I feel nervous in public. You're good, anon.

>>9905351
If you're newish and you already bought a bunch of dream dresses and keep seeing more, they obviously aren't hard to find. I've been looking for my dream dress for nearly 5 years.

>>9905351
That's what I've had to start doing. I only look when I have the money to look, or else I'll go nuts and end up with no money for bills and gas for my car.

>>9905360
I honestly don’t know what this is all about since I’ve combed through past sales on mercari, fril and similar places and couldn’t find any past listings for these exact pieces, they just happened to come up one after another in a span of a few months. I guess they’re all moderately rare, not quite on the same level as something like Shantung OP.

>>9905342
I'm the same way, I have an anxiety disorder, and while I feel more at ease in a group of Lolitas, being by myself and having to contend with all the strangers asking me what I'm dressed as and staring at me bugs me out majorly.

>>9905366
Don't you attract more attention when you're out in a group? Or do you feel more at ease because you have other people to speak for you when some rando asks what you're wearing?

I hate being outside with a group of lolitas because that way lolita no longer looks like my personal style, more like we're in some sort of.. group

>>9905351
What good are any of them doing you if you can’t wear them in a coord? Catch up by getting some basics then balance your spending between adding DD and accessory pieces. A DD alone is useless even if it’s an OP. It needs the rest of the coord plus hair and makeup.

>>9905316
I meant when I started lolita, not when lolita became a thing. I'm not that stupid.
Ageplay prints aren't that popular anymore. Toy Doll Box is the closest I've seen lately. Pastel colors and solids still exist, sure, but they're rarely styled in that 2010 way.
>>9905319
Are you new here? It's literally a meme that AP's super pastel baby-themed prints are called ageplay prints as a joke. Chill out.
>>9905335
Me too anon, me too

>>9905381
jsyk every time you use ageplay and lolita/angelic pretty together online they grow closer together

>>9905384
Nayrt and I agree, but your post is just a pot calling kettle back.

>>9905387
It's not like this anon >>9905384 could have said it another way though, could they?

>>9905384
>not understanding a joke

>>9905393
>not understanding the internet

>>9905393
>not realizing what anon said is completely true, joke or not
Also do you not go on COF? Or instagram? Or anywhere? 2008-2012 sweet is still pretty fucking popular among westerners- I don't know anything about Japanese lolita though.

>>9905392
I could have but I don't care. You could say a*play I guess.

>>9905392
They could, easily.
>Every time you use these two terms together online they grow closer
Everyone can understand what "two terms" mean in this situation, there wasn't a need to be hypocritical here.

>>9905186
I like this idea. I am sure some other anons can improve the name and photo- it would be refreshing to be in a lolita group with others who take pride in their wardrobe though.

Lolita has made it so hard for me to buy "normal" or other alt fashion clothing. My standards have been set by Lolita which means that 95% of goth clothing just looks like shit to me now. Scratchy lace, cheap crush velvet, low-quality printing, I can't deal with it at all. Why do people buy shit like that? Any of the goth community I've seen online have such low standards for clothing, it's insane.

I also have the issue of thinking how I could just be spending more money on Lolita, but I definitely need to build up a more casual wardrobe for real low-effort days.

>>9905302
perfect example of a lolita I would not want in my comm.

>>9905131
I think you mean Stacy/Becky

I love bodyline for the sole purpose of getting high on mdma or shrooms while in lolita

Say ‘prints with baby things’, ‘early childhood themed’ ‘babyish theme’ ‘baby toy theme’, ‘prints with children’s toys’, ‘juvenile’, ‘infantile’ there are so many ways to refer to them without any kink or fetish reference at all thereby leaving it entirely out of the conversation. If you actually want to, that is.

>>9905172
I would be that brave bossy boot, which is why I'm not a mod.

>>9905423
I don't mean any offense by this, but I honestly don't understand why other people enjoy those types of prints.
To the lolitas who enjoy wearing prints with baby toys/baby themes, what do you like about them?

>>9905428
I wonder this too but since they brands are catering to the Japanese market and they keep making them, there is enough popularity for them to be profitable.

>>9905429
Yeah, maybe there's a cultural difference I'm not aware of?
Even though I'm not personally into it I can understand people who enjoy stuff like MLP or Carebears either for nostalgia or aesthetic reasons, but baby toys doesn't seem like something most people would feel nostalgic about or just like because of how they look. I mean it's fine if others do, I'm just genuinely curious.

>>9905428
I don’t get it either, especially because most of the girls I know who collect prints with baby type prints are vehemently childfree and act like they’re allergic to babies and children. Teddy bears and carousels are one thing but Dreamy Baby Room literally has pacifiers and baby rattles on it. I don’t understand...

>>9905186
Here's the issue.
The girls you're going to want in there aren't down to take the heat of being an elitist, even by association.
You want them because of their clout, they look good, people value them and would love a chance to be privvy to what they might say or post in a tighter group.
But.
You won't get them by making your group out to be the bad guys or the 'we don't care what you think' guys.

What you will get are people who have little to no social standing to lose, and there's not enough of them that dress well enough to carry your groups credibility on.

I wish you the best, but without at least a pseudo-anonymous platform or a vetting system that can't be easily overridden, it's pretty much doomed.

Hopefully we all migrate to a better platform, but it's rather dubious.

I like Minds for it's features, but oh my god is it's userbase is all super tinfoil hat, since most lolitas are in nice cities and liberal they won't go for it.

Once again, there's the issue of social suicide if you aren't down with being nice to everyone, accepting of sjw trash et all.

>>9905412
Agree. Why is goth shit so cheap and costumey? I have some stuff from jgoth brands (algonquins, h.naoto, etc) to wear with my normie jeans to work and on lazy days, but I just can't get into the western instagoth brands. They all look very tacky and samey.

>>9905428
I mean, it's just cutesy stuff.
Why does everyone's mind have to go somewhere weird when there are soft toys or childhood imagery involved? Come on, it's just cute pastel shit, it shouldn't be a big deal at all. People have fetishes for literally everything, why do toy prints always get singled out as being the worst?

>>9905412
This, 100%. Well, minus the fact I need to build a casual wardrobe; I'm fortunate in the sense I can and do wear lolita whenever I want, anything casual I own is for exercise or sleep.

>>9905434
Goth hit mainstream, that's what happened.
I remember when you had to get shit special or make it, stuff was much better quality in those days.

>>9905443
Even ten years ago everything was pretty awful.
I don't get it at all, I've seen photos from "fancy goth gatherings" and everyone looks like shit. I don't mean that it's just not my taste, but makeup is messy and unflattering (makes bad shironuri look like high art), lace looks horrific, unironed clothes, unflattering garments.

I know people with that level of taste exist in Lolita as well, but they rarely get any attention or following unless they're a cosplayer or something. In goth fashion they seem to be everywhere, it genuinely looks like the vast majority of the community has really, really low standards.

>>9905449
You've gotta find you some oldbats.

>>9905412
Maybe Japanese goth clothing is better?

>>9905421
Why don't you do that in your normal lolita clothing?

>>9905413
Same. She’s not actually a lolita yet, she doesn’t wear the fashion. She’s just a beginner collector and fan girl with a few used main pieces.

>>9905449
Want to know why the 'standards are low'? Because it's about the music first, dancing second, fashion third. WGT is when the really nice stuff comes out.
Metalheads look like shit a lot of the tine to

>>9905412
Goth has been destroyed by Hot Topic, Torrid, and endless cheap terrible websites. But I guess the new music sucks too so hey verisimilitude

>>9905231
I won’t post my comm because they choose to keep group photos within the private group but I did a quick google search in images and found 5 good examples of comms that are about 1/2 ita right on the first page. Seeing is believing, anon.

>>9905412
Don’t ever get into actual historical clothing research then or you’ll be completely ruined and you’ll question all but the very best of the lolita clothing fabric and lace too.

>>9905467
I care about the music first, dancing second but still like good clothes because cheap hot synthetics are hell to dance in, don’t hold up and are uncomfortable at lives. So it’s all important.

>>9905342
You get used to it to the point that you just ignore the attention. I hate it too, and I used to have really bad social anxiety, but te more I wore attention grabbing clothing, the more I got used to it and the easier it was to ignore. life is too short to be scared of things to the point it keeps you from doing something you love like that.

>>9905412
lol, same. I can't even wear most of my normie wardrobe.

I only take advice or concrit from people I like and respect in the fashion. I’ve seen too many actual good lolitas get shit-posted in anonymous spaces and trashed by people I KNOW don’t even wear this fashion at all.
Second confession: I have no respect for people who don’t improve their fashion game as they log time in the fashion. Yes it shows, yes we notice and it’s just cheap and lazy.

>>9905518
Agreed on both points.

>>9905168
I hate how the lolita community walks on egg shells around newbies just not to be seen as ELITIST!!!!

>>9905186

>>9905524
I think in lots of places they get substandard ones or none. So to have a comm at all, they tolerate the itas, hoping they improve. Most don’t though?

>>9905303
Getting mercilessly torn apart here after posting online. But I have a very strong skin I can see why others flounce. It hurt a lot to have the things I wore insulted so hard and so vehemently. Just the language used was so mean. But I kept at it and bought more and more brand and fixed my wigs and makeup. My comm members I think don't care about cgl but I have always loved coming here even before I was a lolita

Comms should encourage cgl maybe

>>9905532
I think you have to really want to get good more than you want to get praise at first. Other than wearing full brand sets and already having a strong hair, makeup and shoe game, I don’t know of any way to get insta-good at lolita without practice, concrit or both. Maybe we are too soft on newbs as >>9905524 says. I’m liking ‘6 months max and you should be decently sorted and have your first coord head to toe’ as a standard to adopt.

>>9905428
I love the cute animals in the art and the colors are very lovely. They also have candy on it which is another motif I like. And glitter.

>>9905530
I never understood why the US has so many comms instead of 1 per state. I live 3 hours away from my country's comm but at least it has more than 50 active people who wear lolita.

>>9905541
Have you seen the size of all the non upper east coast states? That would mean 2+ hours of driving in most other states. Most aren’t willing to drive and would ideally like monthly meets within 1 hour or less drive each way.

>>9905541
>one per state

It can take anywhere from 2-10 hours to traverse a single state in the US.

>>9905541
The US may have a few states bigger than your country, so it may be more than 6 hours to the next large comm.

>>9905541
SF and LA are six hours away from each other and both have big communities. I don’t know about other states though. Washington sounds like a mess.

>>9905541
How often does your comm meet and how often do you make the drive?

>>9905544
Yes, you either have a small comm with mostly itas or a big comm that's 2 hours away. I don't understand why you wouldn't drive 2 hours for a better comm desu, is the ita comm right across the street?

>>9905545
>>9905546
In some European countries it also takes 10 hours to drive from one side to the other, but why would you do that? You can organise meets in a central city. The nice thing about having a comm for a state/country instead of a city, is that you can organise meets in different places. I only have to travel 3 hours to meets because I never organise anything on this side of the country.

>>9905552
Idk, and I don't drive. I go about 5 times a year because I only go if I'm interested in the place.

>>9904924
My confession is that I think people like you are the reason this hobby is so fucking toxic. Typical upper middle class, shitty bootstrap mentality. It makes sense there'd be a lot of people like you, considering this is such an expensive hobby. You're blinded by privilege and it clearly has made you into a bitchy little snotstain lacking in empathy. The economy sucks, especially for millennials, and you're literally going to laugh about people who are a bit sad they couldn't manage to spend $300 on a dress?

>inb4 calling me a poorfag
I have over 60 brand main pieces sitting my wardrobe along with a bunch of brand blouses/shoes/purses/accessories. I have no issue with buying newly released items and shelling out for MTOs with no prior notice. I'm just aware that I'm a lucky person and I'd never insinuate people who aren't in my position are lesser.

>>9905263
>There has to be a way to clean the group of inactive people.
My old comm had a method for dealing with inactive members. Maybe once a year, they'd pin a post that contained a survey. If you didn't answer the survey within a certain time frame, I think it was 3 weeks, you got booted. If you wanted back in later, you had to reapply.

>>9905099
Do you mean actual printed dresses, or shoes and bags?

>>9905559
Some states don't have central cities that are meet-worthy. For example, most of the cities that are worth visiting in Texas are on the east side of the state, so if you are from the west side of the state, expect at least a 7 hour drive.

>>9905569
There's not point trying to prove a point to such people.

>>9905559
>PA takes 8 hours to drive across
>Central city is Harrisburg, a shithole den of crackheads and heroin junkies ready to stab you on site
>expecting to have a frilly meetup in a city with more payday loan stores than coffee shops

>>9905569
With places like CC, WW, and LM even a poorfag like me can own 20+ brand main pieces and brand accessories.

Poorfags who wine about not being able to afford brand, especially adults in their 20's with jobs, should be told not to complain.

>>9905574
I meant prints. Unfortunately the bags and cuts of dresses and shoes are more difficult to make a case for and the wide-scale ban was always only for logo items and print replicas. I’m seeing people sneaking print replicas by more here and there. Not less.

>>9905544
>Have you seen the size of all the non upper east coast states? That would mean 2+ hours of driving in most other states.
Seriously. I'm 7.5 hours from the nearest lolita in my state and we don't even live as far apart as we could.

>>9905581
Ayrt, I'd never defend itas and people who can't put together a decent coord/wear replicas while complaining that brand is too expensive. Those people can fuck off.

But the person is talking about new releases that she wears specifically to get so-called "poorfags" to mention how they wished they could have gotten that print, or expressing that they are sad to have missed the MTO. That's just conversation, not whining... OP sounds like a brat.

>>9905569
>"i'm totally not a bitter poorfag you guys"
>excuses anon's comm members' childish, entitled behavior and begging her to resell HER dress, and for CHEAPER as being "a bit sad"
i don't agree with her attitude but you're seriously reaching. saying they're sad they missed the print is fine but not setting aside money for essentials is their own fault. if you're poor and can't afford a new dress, either buy secondhand or save up your money for a release you love. you don't need every new release.

also
>implying girls doing this is
"typical" and the norm
this is literal "a brandwhore made fun of me for wearing taobao and called me inferior" tier

>>9905569
Nayrt but I don’t lord it over people less lucky than me but I do find it tiresome that people whine and cry publicly or even to their comm about expense in a totally voluntary hobby with a variety of financial choices. Most people I know will only really look down on replicas but if your comm meets monthly, you wear the same rumpled outfit each meet and do nothing but grumble about your financial woes, is it any wonder we not want to invite you? This is the situation for many of us. We join the hobby to be lovelies on some level, most of us spend within our means, have and enjoy pretty things so yep, it’s a downer to always have someone reminding us they can’t do that, the Bitter Betty who comes along but orders the cheapest single item, water and cheaps out on the tip, and is constantly hungry for bargain everything. Nope.jpg

I've posted a few times on COF wearing rare/uncommon items and I've had multiple girls message me asking me if I'd sell my pieces to them and it pisses me off to no end. It reeks of entitlement and honestly makes me want to search for another piece and buy it so I can spite them.

>>9905569
umm poor people just don't work hard enough and don't know how to budget. they shouldn't spend their money on any fun things at all

>>9905585
How is that relevant to a conversation about ita comms? You obviously don't have a comm at all.

>>9905591
>it’s a downer to always have someone reminding us they can’t do that
She's posting about her new purchasesbecause she is looking for a negative reaction though.

>>9905595
i know you're trying to bait but poor people usually don't know how to budget

>>9905591
I think if someone doesn't have more than one or two outfits and wants to be a part of a comm, shouldn't be excluded because of their outfits exclusively. If they're nice and actually are wonderful to get along with, and don't bring everyone down, it shouldn't be much of an issue

>>9905413
why would I even be in a comm if I’m not wearing the fashion yet and have nothing of value to contribute due to my lack of experience? I’m trying to build a wardrobe and get good at putting together coords so I don’t have a public ita phase. is there no room for improvement if I just (as in, a few months ago) started out and got overwhelmed instead of planning and buying full coords? I’ve already gotten some decent advice and taken the hint.

>>9905609
If in a few months you still don't have one full coord and people are discussing a 6 month time frame as more than enough time for someone to get their first 1-2 coords ready to wear, doesn't that tell you something?

>>9905607
That's also why we get people always suggesting cheap or free meets and making the group photo boring so nope, they should also have at least a few outfits, 3-5 minimum, if they want to come to monthly or seasonal meets, and something nicer for the ILDs too. Lolita is first and foremost about THE FASHION. Second about going and doing fun stuff while wearing it. And while a freebie meet activity or picnic now and then can be fun, I mostly prefer elegant places.

Tl,dr, fashion comms are specifically first all about the fashion.

>>9905265
using a card and keeping a low balance consistently builds credit, but keeping a balance actually reduces your credit score compared to if you had zeroed it before the end of the month. The smart way to use a card is to buy things consistently but pay it off before the end of the month so that you never have a balance

>>9905099
I have a couple of replicas left over from the replica storm in like 2008 or whenever. I'll wear them still, but never to lolita events and I don't post outfit shots online. I don't mind wearing them in normie spaces but don't want to seem like I'm endorsing them in lolita spaces. I bet there are a lot of similar folks out there who have these 8-10-year-old replicas that they still wear, but no one knows.

>>9905559
Stop talking like the US and Europe work the same way.

I love dresses that look like sleepwear

>>9905618
yes - that I’m horrible at budgeting and planning things in advance, which is exactly what I posted about in the first place. something I openly admit while willing to learn from my mistakes. I love and desperately want to wear the clothes that I did buy, having them collect dust in my closet feels horrible. however, I don’t want to wear a half-assed attempt at a coord either. it’s stupidly hard to realize you’re doing something wrong if you’re oblivious/don’t know any better and nobody is there to point it out. thanks for the help, I’ll go buy some damn socks now.

>>9905598
OT but actually research suggests that's because poor people literally can't use some parts of their brain well because they are occupied with trying to get through the day/week/month. Thinking about the long-term is more difficult for them than for people who don't have to worry about living paycheck to paycheck.

>>9905559
america doesn't have reliable public transport in many areas of the country

>>9905473
>new music sucks too
There are a lot of good newer goth bands out these day but okay.

>>9905598
>obvious sarcasm
>trying to bait

>>9905622
actually comms were made to meet people. you don't need comms if it's only about the fashion.

>>9905625
This.
Considering a fashion dress a major luxury purchase that you have to pay interest for because you need to use financed monthly payments over several months just seems like you really can't afford it.
A big vacation trip, a car, a house or timeshare rental, major large sports equipment, yes. A dress? Nah.

/discussion.

>>9905643
How do you go to the ita meets?

>>9905644
Which ones?

>>9905640
Also, how is your makeup and hair? Are you practicing those? What about a Petticoat? Shoes? Jewelry? Have you tried the coord help thread here? It's good.

>>9905648
most people drive, which is a lot more tiring than taking a bus or train.

>>9905645
Comms are to wear the fashion together and go places.

>>9905650
>Have you tried the coord help thread here? It's good.
No it's not lmao

>>9905648
Dont even imply there are not plenty of European itas, do you think we do not check the event photos? I realize most of your comms are better at keeping the gossip contained but you can't think some of it doesn't leak out, right?

>>9905654
Its good for a beginner who doesn't have anything but main pieces to start getting suggestions. Stop scaring the noobs.

>>9905648
>ita meet
Cross boarder please go

>>9905648
Protomartyr, Cold Showers, Drab Majesty just to name a few. Just research it it isn't hard. This is the internet era, it's easy.

>>9905659
>>9905664
You obviously didn't follow the conversation. People were complaining that their comm is too small and that half or more than half of their comm are itas.

>>9905663
It's not good for beginners to ask help from cgl because they can't tell who is and isn't a lolita

>>9905663
/cgl/ is notoriously bad for beginners of both lolita and cosplay. A lot of people giving advice are just whoever manages to pick up the question and answer it first. Also, the prevalence of cringe/ita/bad cosplay threads means that generally people only post staged pictures that they already know look good so they don't get trashed by the "internet hate machine"

>>9905673
There are enough call-outs of bait and bad advice that any adult human with a bit of sense can puzzle it out. Everywhere else is ass-pat central. If not here then where do you suggest people look for actual non-sugarcoated critique?

>>9905532
I have learned so much from cgl. It helped me become a better lolita. Sure sometimes anons are overly mean, but a lot of times the concrit is right. It helped me not be an Ita by listening to the posts.

>>9905625
Anon who made the original confession here. I pay my credit cards off before they are due. Assuming I don’t, it’s making you all look foolish. I get paid twice (sometimes three times) monthly. I pay half the card off with one paycheck, and the other half with the next paycheck. It’s usually always paid before it comes due within 30 days of one of my lolita purchases. I don’t know where the assuming I only pay the minimum or don’t pay off my credit cards before they come due came from. Assuming things isn’t a very wise thing anons. Don’t do this.

>>9905680
>Everywhere else is ass-pat central
I'm sorry your comm sucks so much, but where I am you can actually get good advice from lolitas that you can see dress well. Actually, I think a lot of lolitas all over the world LOVE telling others how to dress.

>>9905718
My confession is that I've said this kind of stuff in a previous discussion about the same thing, because I wanted to encourage itas to self-post

>>9905718
Bit did you come in here with a little bit of a grasp on the fashion and use what you saw here to improve? Or did you come in here never dressing the fashion and learning from the dark ground zero? I came here when I wanted to get better after I had a basic understanding on where to buy and what was not okay to do ( replicas and eBay) and used cgl to see improve what i already know.

>>9905674
I lurked and did my homework, taking tips and building an eye for the style here.
My first meet went over really well and I won Best Gothic out of a lot of others I admired.
It's not 'notoriously bad' it's just if you're new, browsing cgl and telling everyone about it you'll get the side eye until you prove you're legit. If you stay ita then of course you'll get made fun of.
If most never mention it, how do you know?

>>9905666
Hey, Drab Majesty isn't all shit.

>>9905730
I think cgl is a very negative place though. It can give a really weird image of lolitas if you've never been to a meet.

>>9905734
It can yeah, but I'd argue that basing your perspective only on what you see on just FB, just Insta, just Tumblr, is also damaging, moreso even.
Eventually, you have to go to a meet. If you never go, you'll never pass butthole inspections.

>>9905734
If you base the entire fashion off what it is on the internet then that’s a you problem. Any one with half a brain knows the internet exaderates things and blatiantly lies about shit. If you can’t form your own opinions on your own experiences then that’s a problem you need to work out in your own and not the internet’s problem to solve for you.

>>9905718
Honestly this. I didn't know anything about lolita until I started posting here, and eventually made the full switch from cosplay. The concrit I've gotten here has really helped me improve from a lil cosplay ita, to the point where nobody ever says anything mean about my coords anymore.

>>9905734
I have news for you, I’ve seen some weird ass shit at events and meets too so that’s no firm indication something will be good.

>>9905672
I think you underestimate how large the US is and how much nothing there is in between. My comm exclusively has meets on the west and east side of the state, but the north has a few people, but never any meets (it's 9 hours away for most of us). We aren't going to drive 4-5 hours north for people who likely won't show up. Not to mention traveling back. It's just not worth it. Our states are large and mostly empty and our train system is useless so you have to drive.

>>9905738
Tumblr for lolita. Dear God no!
Or Amino. Both are worse than cgl.

>>9905771
West of the Mississippi things get a lot more spaced out. We have one state comm but there’s sub branches of the comm for the northern lolitas and the southern lolitas. Although the capital state lolitas are the most active, the other comms tend to plan meets either parallel to the larger comms meets so everyone can do something together.

I judge anyone who wears wigs with lolita.

>>9905788
It is what it is, I’m ok if they are decent quality and styled nicely. I’m working on my natural hair game though. Mixed results. Pray for me.

>>9905788
I have really fine hair with no body. I rely on wigs so I can have a style with actual substance. If I braid my hair at the sides it’s like the size of half an inch total. Not kawaii.

>>9905771
Maybe I don't explain myself well. In the situation you describe I would prefer to be a lonelita than to go to a local northern comm with 2 lolitas and 5 itas. I'd probably join a bigger comm that's far away and lurk to know about official brand events and such.

>>9905795
People use product and tricks to get voluminous hair

>>9905674
i disagree, cgl is what helped me start out in lolita fashion and it saved me from looking like an ita for my first coord. lurk first, lurk a lot- and ignore assholes, sometimes the rude comments are just from random crossboarders or trolls that are looking to TRigGEr people

>>9905807
I think it's pretty sad that you needed cgl for that. I was fine just looking at coords on my own. I really don't understand when itas show up looking like they've never looked at a GLB or something. Actually all you need to do is look at the brand you like because they usually have pictures of coords on their website you can copy completely and nobody will call you out for that.

>>9905650
makeup is all figured out - took some experimenting to make my daily look less harsh and more lolita appropriate. hair is a work in progress, I’ve gone my entire life air drying it and just styling the bangs. I have a single white a-line voile petticoat and a pair of black Antaina platforms that go with almost everything I own. no jewelry yet, but I’ve got some necklaces bookmarked for my next order.
I’ll definitely have to try posting in that thread, thank you for the suggestion! seems like everyone’s split on whether it’s helpful or not, but I have no other means of recieving constructive criticism.

I believe 80% of noob lolita problems could be solved by buying known good actual lolita items for the first coord instead of trying to lolify stuff before they even know what they are doing.

Learn the rules (by doing), THEN break them.

>>9905805
Most people do that though. They just join multiple communities. The problem is they can't always drive to the meets the large comms have but they still look like fun (like small general meets). Small areas tend to have itas because the town itself doesn't have much money to go around.

>>9905820
mte. literally all you have to do to wear lolita well is find a brand you like and buy your first coord from there. maybe some people also have to learn which shape of petticoat to get but even that is pretty obvious just by looking at stock photos.

>>9905834

Honestly, everything is now made from thin polyester, and that thing will drape easily over any shape. Cupcake, A-line, if you put a lego block petticoat underneath it I bet it'd drape right over it just fine as well.

So not even the petticoat is a problem. The real problem is if you buy a whole shop coord it'd cost you almost four digits since blouses are regularly $200 now, and so are brand pettis and shoes. So we're back to newbies needing to know which items they can skimp on and which ones they can't.

(nayrt btw, if it matters)

>>9905840
No one said buy it new. Just known good brand and a shop/brand coord. If people are too cheap for one used brand coord then they are too cheap for the fashion.

>>9905840
Right now on lacemarket you can buy a blouse and main-piece from innocent world for less than 100 euro.

>>9905806
People with fine hair have a hard time getting it to hold style and often can’t curl it. Just because it looks good in that picture will not say that the style will hold for longer then a hour no matter how much product you put into it. I have this issue and often just roll it up into a hat and put in clip fringe for some face framing. In order to have my fine hair old a curl from an curling iron or any other styling would require soo much hairspray that it would be a solid rock and not move.

It’s obvious you don’t have this issue since you don’t know how people with fine hair problems have to deal with it. There is nothing wrong with wearing wigs for you invest in food quality ones. I have two that I can style like regular hair and have a few people not even know that my real hair is lifeless because i wear wigs nearly daily.

Also what about people with cancer? Should they have to go without hair or chemo head because you judge people who wear wigs? Unless you’re referring to lolitas who think wigs are a staple item in the fashion. Then I see what you’re meaning.

>>9905840
>almost four digits
actually you can get an entire new AP coord for less than 75000 yen including burando petticoat.

>>9905877
I have fine hair you just have to learn to work with it
>Also what about people with cancer?
who gives a fuck?

>>9905840
Personally I think the lighter materials require a nice petti even more than heavier ones. Chiffon and other light materials show every lump and bump, while heavier cotton and velveteen smooth out petti issues. I've been in the market for a light petti with as small a waistband as possible for use with my lighter dresses because waistband lumps are the bane of my existance.

>>9905877

I have thin as fuck hair and I can get it to look voluminous with literally dividing my hair into four sections and curling lightly wtf.

>>9905883
Just because your hair works for you when you style it doesn’t mean it works for everyone with fine hair. Some people have thin fine hair while others have a lot of fine hair. Some fine hair looks like shit with styling products, while others handle it well. You sound like you base all fine hair problems on your own fine hair but fail to understand that some people are not blessed with fine hair that doesn’t cooperate.

But at this point I’m pretty sure you’re naturally cunt and just being a cunt to be one. Shouldn’t say I’m suprised.

>>9905877
The person in the pic you're replying to obviously has fine hair

>>9905812
I get that anon because sometimes you need the harsh advice in words. When I first start I fell into thinking "this looks close enough, and this, and this" I was looking at brand photos and just not getting it

>>9905897
>you’re naturally cunt
>says the person who used cancer patients

>>9905902
So you’re saying cancer patients can’t wear wigs because you want to be all natural and think everyone else should be the same? Get out of here.

>>9905877
>food quality wigs
I laughed

>>9905889
>waistband lumps
This. Let me know if you find one anon. I may give up and just make my own.

I really hate most of the Japanese brands' models. I just think the majority are really ugly and have flat affect; they look like unhappy robots.

>>9905877
Holy fuck why would you bring up cancer patients? It's literally a starving children in Africa comparison. You have shitty hair, suck it up.

I can't stand chiffon. It looks cheap and snags easily and.. I dunno. it's just not a good look for lolita to me, except for the rare occasions. Plus, I hate the way it feels. Just cheap and shitty. Yes, even brand chiffon. I just really dislike it.

>>9905927
Shitfon

>>9905906

You're using people with unfortunate circumstances as fodder for your shitty argument.

>>9905056
Agreed.

>>9905915
Kek oh my god

>>9905900
If you were copying the stylings using other brand clothes, that often works. If you were using unbranded crap, you still had a noob eye for items so your ‘close enough’ probably wasn’t even close. That’s why I think sticking with decently good brand for a first coord is best.

>>9905812
I used /cgl/ as a means of finding those GLBs
Also, having a lot of coordinates to pick through made it easier to 'see' what people were talking about in the ita and nitpick threads, and that's all well and good if you're using GLBs, but that gets complex.

I kinda feel icky about people who out themselves on here. Not only lolitas, but artists especially. It's anonymous for a reason, and if I see someone making it known that it's them, I won't give them my business/time/etc. I honestly don't care if people come here at all though, there are tons of helpful threads, and it's a good place to talk, but there is literally no reason to out yourself here. I think it makes you look shitty.

>>9905951
lol then there's a long long list of artists, cosplayers, and lolitas you must be ignoring then

>>9905953
Yep.

>>9905951
by outing, do you mean recognizing their art style or them dropping their handle? i can't really change how my art looks by much...

>>9905951
>icky
>being a grown woman and using this
Nothing of value was lost.

>>9905951
By chalking up all cgl users to people worth ignoring, you both say that cgl as a board is a den of demons with no redeemable qualities and that all cgl users are shitty people, which includes yourself, dumbass.

A newer member of my comm is just a sweet little bundle of sunshine and stardew, like an adorably dressed lil muffin.

>>9905996
Disgusting

>>9905997
Which is exactly why I posted it here.
I'd die before I said that to a near complete stranger.

>>9905990
I guess, that anon is trying to say, that cgl is sorta different dimension for sprinkling salt all around without harm for reputation or self esteem that never cross the actual comms. This works until they discover gulls being actual lolitas from real life, so it's apparently impossible to maintain two identities. People who come here to get a grawing or to complain in feels thread usually chill about mentioning cgl, but then people who bitch here have to admit thye're actual real life bitches in disguise. It must be quite uncomfy.

I have a large brand wardrobe but I can't let go of my first Bodyline dresses--Squirrel Party and Maple Sugar Waffle(?). I never even wear them, and I don't think I'm ever going to wear them, but I guess it's the nostalgia that's keeping me from selling them to a new lolita.

>>9905951
Actually there's absolutely nothing wrong with being an artist here? There are a ton of resources for AA and not as much bitching and salt as lolitas and cosplayers.

>>9906011
Same here. I have a Rose Bouquet skirt and pic related in black and I just have them rolled up in a drawer. But honestly, I have seen a brand print with roses in a brown colorway I like, and similarly I can't think of a waffle print by a brand either, so I feel like we're justified in keeping them since there aren't really brand equivalents.

>>9906015

nayrt, I just figure they mean the draw thread. That one always seems to attract drama in some way or another.

>>9905990
I might kinda understand what anon is trying to get at. it's hard to say though. They did mention that there is nothing wrong with coming here as there are lots of good conversations and threads, just that outing yourself here is "bad" according to them. Obviously, anon is here too or they wouldn't have posted to begin with.

Having said that, there is a lot of salty bitchiness here, and knowing that someone comes here because they are "outing" themselves personally means that it's possible they are also one of the extremely rude, hateful types that I'm assuming anon feels strangely about. It's hard to trust someone with personal info (in the case of artists or shops, for example) when they have the possibility to be full or spite and hatred - not saying that any artists here do that, but you never really know.

Not really sure though, as I don't mind it. Just taking a guess.

>>9905990
>>9906028

Not OP, but I kind of get it. The conversation is nice and all, and if someone told me irl they come here to catch up on news or to look at the crafting thread then I'd just be like "oh me too". But trip/name-fagging, or saying “I’m X, let’s talk about me”, is a different story.

One part of it is watching people out themselves as the ita in the ita thread. 100% always invites shitposters to troll, and 50% results in some meltdown or another. At this point I don’t even know why people still do it, it always leads to stupidity.

Then there’s people who seem to be trying to build a following on here, like the Bones Jones girl who started sharing art, then started sending freebies, then started her own brand, then got caught for copying/tracing, came back to defend herself (badly), and general drama ensued.

There’s just a lot of drama associated with those people who don’t need to but still give themselves a name to distinguish themselves from the rest of the crowd. Like I can understand if you’re trying to organise something and give yourself a name so people know they’re talking to you and not to a random anon who isn’t related to what you’re organising, but if you’re just hanging out here there’s no need to tell everybody “My name is X. For no real reason I’m special and different from all the other girls on here”. Like, lol no, you’re an attentionwhore, that’s the only reason you needed a name so you’re not another nameless anon on the board.

Kind of something like that, I think.

sorry for the long blogpost.

>>9906028
>>9906050
If it's as you say, I can also see where other anon is coming from. Personally I like it here (I've had many more positive interactions than bad ones) and I like seeing people selfpost in places like the instagram thread or draw thread.

But it's like... while we don't have to act like this place is the boogeyman, let's not pretend coming on here is something to brag about either. I think it's the cringiest thing ever when people go offline and try to make it into some point of pride like "I go on cgl, I'm so salty and edgy!" I don't mean people who just talk about coming on here, but more specifically the ones who think it gives them a pass to act "salty" (as in bitchy and obnoxious) in real life.

>>9906026
The drawthread basically encourages artists to out themselves since the people who were drawn want to post the drawings on their social media. I mean, I don't really name myself on other boards' drawthreads but I do on /cgl/'s because if you're going to go repost the drawing outside of 4chan or personal use, then I would prefer if my name was attached to the work.

>>9905788
I like seeing good quality wigs and well-styled natural hair equally in lolita. I wish this didn't have to be so divisive, but I've been seeing a lot of hate for wigs and "natural > wigs" mentality on here. I'd like to hope people who feel this way don't actually have such a blanket view, but are maybe reacting to seeing too many decently dressed girls get picked apart or called ita for not wearing wigs.

For me, wigs are great because my already previously thin hair has been wrecked by hypothyroidism and basically looks like a witch's. I can do something with it if I spend several hours styling, but in the end I don't look half as good as if I wore a wig, and I spend all day worrying about how it holds up. So tl;dr I look better and feel better with wigs. That's all there is to it, and I don't think anyone in a similar situation should feel bad.

That being said, I do want to try doing more with my real hair for the summer.

>>9906088
T H I S .

>>9906088
Imo the animosity towards wigs stems from a few reasons:
Newbies thinking that they're mandatory, spending money on shit-tier cosplay wigs before anything else and thinking it makes them "officially lolitas";
Lolitas in general (newbs or otherwise) wearing shitty wigs without even bothering to style them, and then bitching when "the normies" compliment them on their costume;
The popular image of OTT styles twisting outside views of the fashion, prompting complete outsiders who have no idea what they're talking about to comment on media features about the fashion on how it's absolutely Not a daily fashion by any stretch of the imagination and only ever for special events, further perpetuating the misconception that it's "not a real fashion";
Gulls saying things like "you can't wear lolita without a wig unless you've been blessed with perfect hair"/"lolita doesn't look good without a wig", etc., basically echoing cosplayers who say that wigs are mandatory for cosplay (which imo is true in many cases); these may be shitposts but you can never be too sure, and even if they are, some might read this and take it as fact and then pass it on to others who are equally clueless or new, perpetuating a misconception that only contributes to the overall cheapening of the fashion.
I do think that wigs have their place in lolita, they're useful in many different ways and they've always been a part of the fashion to some degree, even if they used to be an uncommon sight in the western comms or were generally unpopular; but when we take the reasons above into consideration, it's not surprising to see people pushing back against the very idea of wigs. Imo if you feel that your natural hair doesn't cut it (which may not necessarily be true) and you dedicate time and effort to making your high quality wigs look good, then keep doing you; but I'm not surprised at all to see this shift in opinion, all things considered.

>>9906088
I feel for You anon. My hair is fucked because of hypo too, and witch hair is the perfect way to explain it... makes me sad.

>>9906075
I got the feeling they meant the AA artists, not the draw thread, but I could be wrong. They did mention shops though, which is why I made that assumption.

I don't wear bloomers when it's summer. I rather not sweat like a pig. If someone sees my panties idgaf. Though it hasn't happened yet because I prefer longer dresses in general.

>>9906075

That doesn't stop artists from starting shit anyhow, though.

Besides, the way you're describing it now makes it sound like insta thread 2.0 -- artists always fishing for more followers. I mean, I get where you're going with the crediting thing, but at the same time the fishing for followers is kinda lame.

>>9905990
I mean I kinda get it. I post here all the time, but I'm also insanely paranoid and mistrusting of the known seagulls in my comm.

>>9906111
I'd rather sweat on my underclothes like bloomers and things, since they can be super easily washed after every wear, than my dresses.

>>9906118
This is how I feel about it desu. You never know. There is nothing wrong with coming here, there are great threads with lots of help and info, but there are a lot of untrustworthy bitches here too, who act all friendly to their comm, then talk shit behind their backs, take photos to post here from their comm's private FB, etc.

>>9906118
I honestly am insanely wary of any of the lolitas I meet because I know I'm new and am going to make mistakes, and if any of them are the "bad" type of seagull I know I'll end up in the ita thread despite it being a personal post. I just want a big sister lolita to take me under her wing and teach me q-q

>>9906101
I agree these are all relevant factors. I can understand why we're seeing a pushback, but it makes me sad that we can't just let wigs and natural hair... coexist. At this point it's really becoming more about personal biases than a standard for what looks good, and that's a little concerning.

Either way, this kind of introspection is important to have, so thank you, anon!

>>9906102
My condolences, anon. I was taking vitamin B supplements for a while, which seemed to help, but I fell out of the routine so it's gotten worse again. Maybe we can go to the hair care thread if you have any tips for how to deal?

>>9905718
In my case some of the concrit was that the colors didn't match and stuff while others would be how ugly I am and comments like that. So even though it helped most of it was not very good, 80% of the concrit was just brutally insulting things I can't change without surgery

>>9906088
Praise you for this anon. I have telogen effluvium from steroids I take for another medical condition and suffer from shitty hair thanks to it. It’s hard to style and I’m overly paranoid about the thinning spots on my head showing that I just rather wear a wig that’s full and I can style easily for the fashion. It makes me feel better knowing people are not looking at my thinning hair. But I agree, if you’re spending a lot of money on a dress, don’t buy a cheap wig.

>>9906162
The people who want to stay in their little bubble and avoid merciless criticism should know enough to stay away from here but I also believe that in addition to salty lolitas, there is a permanent group of hideous fatties, poorfags and another of males (who hate lolita) and these are the ones who make the most vicious comments that aren’t about the coordinate. The first fall under the ‘if I can’t have it, you can’t either, I’ll spoil it and let the world burn’ and the second hate women for various reasons. That’s my theory.

>>9906118
>>9906125
I find this mentality so strange. But then again, most of the active members in my comm post here and we're drama free (or at least have the sense to not post it here).

>>9905269
Is it not able to be done in secret? And when you invite people, hit them with the fight club rule.

>>9906050
>I’m X, let’s talk about me
I know a girl who had a fight with someone, and ever since then whenever she's posted in the CoF thread, someone says that. (not literally let's talk about me but like, asking for feedback or replying to people who replied to her coords, pretending she's her). That girl stopped posting to CoF because of that.

>>9906088
For me it's a reaction of seeing too many bad wigs

>>9906206

props to the troll though, she at least knows how cgl works and how dumb it is to "out" yourself.

>>9905329
Ripping off 80s teen comdies isn't any kind of accomplishment anon

>>9905412
I have a goth coworker and none of her stuff looks cheap but she never wears crushed velvet or fake ripped up fabrics that I see a lot of goths in.

Theres a ton of shit out there but if you look you can find a gem.

>>9906216
Everyone knows that, it's not a difficult thing to find out

>>9905990
You almost had a point until you called them a dumbass- way to lower yourself to the generic cgl standard

>>9905338
I created the makeup/hair/skincare thread, because the separate threads always moved so slowly.
I agree with you on the point that less people seem interested and more and more threads either merge or disappear, but I think it may have something to do with all those brands closing their shops lately?

>>9905412
I kind of wish we had a place, here on 4chan or somewhere else, to discuss/circlejerk about goth and other (western) alt fashion. good alt shops are pretty hard to find, every basic goth hoe on instagram exclusively wears killstar nowadays.

>>9906359
>killstar
God how I hate it. It's just normie wear with skulls and Ouija boards all over. Or even worse, lace made of car tires. Edge lords love it tho.
>>9905412
When I saw this gem on pinterest I think I said "oh no" out loud. Lord have mercy.

>>9906359
Someone used to make Japanese goth threads on cgl

>>9906365
jesus, what kinda shit did the designer of that heinous thing smoke?
another thing that bothers me is the model. why do goth models always look so awful?

>>9906199
Who doesn’t have at least one ita acquaintance or friend, they get nosey. Also, if even one meet photo from the good group gets seen by anyone, the secret is out. We shouldn’t have to sneak around in our frills or take elaborate measures to avoid people who half-ass the fashion, we should be able to point to the rules, establish some standards and not include people who don’t choose to meet that basic level. It may elitist and it’s sure NOT inclusive but otoh. but I don’t think any of us enjoy spending hundreds to look our best and then getting stuck at cheap comm events (because inclusive) next to Miss Hot Topic Ita or Miss Lolify Because Cheap or Replica Chan. Brand Ita I can tolerate because at least she is supporting the designers.

>>9906359
couldn't you make a thread on the fashion board?

>>9906207
I have seen way too many badly styled mid-priced wigs. It’s not always the wig’s fault entirely, some of it is ignorance and laziness. Even many cheaper, not too great quality wigs (usually natural colored, dark colors or true pastels) can be styled nicely if the shine is knocked off, bangs are cut correctly and that sideswept pinning is avoided. Some may need re-styling with hot water or low heat to re-set curls or de-puff the bangs, crown but unless it’s a straight-up party city Halloween type wig, things can be done with budget wigs if they aren’t just plopped on the head as-is. But this goes for cosplayers or anything requiring a wig. I don’t understand lolitas who wear the cheap clown colored ones in a sidesweep, even the sweet puffy tail ones shown in magazines are usually shown in gentle pastels and heavily restyled. I also think people need to think of their skin tone and wear more makeup for a more elaborate style, even if it’s natural look makeup. OTT coords really need a wig unless your hair and ability to style it is exceptional, IMO

>>9906419
Yeah, no.
/fa/ either hates goth or posts trad inspo. No place for more girly stuff. Pretty sure if you posted some gothic dress you would be redirected back here. If you want to prove me otherwise, try it. They have a thread right now.

>>9906431
I've made threads there in the past and you only get a few negative reactions in the beginning of the first thread. You only need 1-3 people who post good stuff to keep a thread going.

>>9905351
Just bite the bullet, save a decent chunk of money for basics and go ham on it. Trust me, you'll be glad you did. I had a main piece buying problem when I started but now all the other pieces are becoming my favorite to buy because I can make so many different coords and have freedom of choice when coording.

>>9905806
My hair is thinner than this. This is what I would consider average thickness.

>>9906088
Agreed.

>>9906788
I think you just want to complain without making an effort to get healthier hair and learn how to style it

>>9906791
I have a few medical conditons (autoimmune included) and the combination of illness and meds wreak havoc on my hair. It usually looks pretty okay short but it's bad when grown out. I can style it decently for normie but it doesn't look great with lolita.