/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9733981
Nah just snort some whey powder like there was no tomorrow.

It makes your muscles more "puffed"

>>9735761

I know you're not serious about the snorting, but what do you mean about the puffed bit lmao. Do explain.

I did for a time drink shakes that were just whey + water shook up in a bottle while working out. May just go back to that because, honestly it probably would end up being cheaper than GOMAD would.

>>9735614

Storytime pls

>>9737033
on pic is some kind of ritual, it's from Darchenfest. Never had a conversation with the guy actually but seen him plenty of times.
Probably kind of important in the Tribes camp. He makes speeches every now and then in front of a lot of barbarian.
The first time when I went to drachenfest and I joined the local city guard he brought a bunch of barbarians into the city becasue there was some kind of disagreement between them and the "healers guild" (the ones who might steal your organs as a payment)
The only reason why there wasn't a big brawl right there and then is that the commotion was right next to the golem master's house so he brought out two of his wargolems to see if anyone REALLY wants to fight.
So we took it out to the field. There I got smashed to the ground proper and my throat ripped off by some barbarian dude

>>9737044
fucking brutal. There's a tribes camp that's just all barbs? If one goes to drachenfest how does one join one of those camps? Just... pitch your tent there or lol

>>9737056
nah, not just barbarians. there are scotsmen and similar stuff too. Which is close but not the same.
Anyway the tribe camp is a closed one, you have make contact with them and apply. Every closed camp has a different method so I have no idea how the actual thing goes there

>>9737032
>Do explain.
We had this one guy in my platoon during conscription who could have been addicted to protein powder shakes and stuff, and he was definitively the most shredded guy in the entire company. /fit/ goal body, greek god status etc.

When the "shtf exercise" came around he faced one week of no whey, constant physical exercise and very little food (and 90% of the food we got was either freeze dried or sugar bars). After the shtf week I lost 4kg of weight, our platoon ogre lost 8kg of weight and mister whey looked like he spent a month in a concentration camp. His abs had gone flat. And then you compare it to some other fit guys around who also lost a bunch of weight but without as much change in physique.

I'm no expert on protein powders and stuff, maybe that guy was taking roids, or the combination of lack of food and his low body fat just hit him hard, but the way I see it is that protein powder makes for good balloon muscles that would fit well for a barbarian costume.

>>9737058
Ah. The most I know is that trip to Drachenfest made up of Americans, but last I checked they had retired the whole thing which is sad to hear but oh well. Maybe one day.

>>9737060
Oh lol, interesting. Yeah, might add it to my diet again. Those shakes were pretty good as a snack too

>>9737122
you go to the forums, or find an email for a guy and write them, simple as that.
Or go to drachenfest to a regular camp and talk with the tribes during the game but that takes longer

Here is to another year of arguing with gms, facebook drama with popcorn, wardrobe errors the first five minutes of the larp, guild mates drinking away their larp budgets, fapping to goat women, campaign opponents going meta on your casual ass, and sjws getting offended by ic banter and lifting fat ass neckbeards off the ground only to see them break character and complain about you breaking their props.

My new year's resolution for the coming year is to attend more sermons, follow god's will, no more gambling or drinking, stop wooing tavern wenches, and not commit genocide against elves without the bishop's approval first.

>>9737060
This is complete BS. Protein shakes aren´t some magical drug kek. It´s a rest product from making cheese and it's pretty much just milk protein.

You don't get ballooning muscles from it, how are you in the army and don't know the basic broscience shit?
It might've been a massive fuckton of water weight lost, the cardio kills gains meme, the fact he was used to eating so much calories to hold up his body that his body started working on his muscles as reserves and most likely... he was a roider.

>>9737605

Yeah, that's what I thought lmao. I'm still gonna get some, only because tossing a scoop or two into a shake bottle with water is way, WAY cheaper and easier than chugging one entire gallon of milk down each day. Especially since my family sees milk in the fridge and thinks "this is for everyone" so they help themselves to it as well. Egh.

help my improve my shitty wip dagger please. I'm obviously going for that carved from obsidian look but it just doesn't seem right. the chord will most likely be replaced later

>>9738391
looks like a creepy dick or dildo in the thumbnail anon

>>9738391
Make it smoother? I know real carved DRAGONGLASS LOL has all of these tiny edges but that simply does'nt look good in foam. I assume you will paint it at some point.

>>9738459

I've been told that obsidian is a "special material" in my larp. so I'm gonnna try for stone instead. I'm going to paint it after I get rid of the excess fluff and seal it. thinking about hitting it with a neat gun too.

Belt gadgets and little trinkets question lads:
So I'm going to play a viking, and it's not really my period. I'm doing my best layering clothing. having a ton of colours, double tunics, gugel the whole lot but what I can't wrap my head around is what would be cool belt gadgets to liven up the costume?

My first thing would be a custom LARP knife that's being made by a friend and maybe a leather pouch but I'm trying to find some other cool things that I could put on... Any ideas what?

Inb4 drinking horns or glass vial memes
1. I don't want shattered glass in my sides when I die or trip
2. It's just really impractical

>>9740041
Fire starting kit

>>9740041
>he fell for the hundred items on the belt meme

please don't do it

>>9713548
>I think Amtgard is shit

What don't you like about it?

>>9741567
the player base mostly

>>9738391
Bigger "chunks". It lacks definition for a carved thing, it just looks like a random pointy rock.

>>9741623
Well, it's the best I've got around here. None of the players I've met so far are unbearable (annoying, potentially), and it's inspired me to make armor so I can tank 6 hits before taking any damage. It's certainly more of a combat boffer sport than a LARP event, but what can you do? And honestly, I'd rather have fun and run about than pretend there's some large overarching story going on. Once in a while we'll throw a story driven quest, but that's about it.

>>9742159
but what if I told you a good larp lets you run around and have fun whilst doing story-driven quests

>>9742159
hey as long as you enjoy it do it. I certainly won't hold a gun to your head to stop. But personally i don't like it and because this is 4chan I will shittalk it. But others shittalk what i like so there no surprise there. We like different things

And according to the latest in AmeriLarp News:

Utopia Descending, the newest hopeful on the block for franchise larps, from the makers of Dystopia Rising, requires players to spend in-game currency to use their own weapons.

The alternative?

Pool noodles clubs and unpainted nerf guns.

Another round of applause for the burger country.

>>9743265
Thats a joke right?

>>9743280
>Players wanting to bring in their own equipment to use instead of using the stock provided UD equipment must first make sure that the physical representation they are providing matches the functionality of what is provided per skill level. Tier 1 Firearms must have the same ammo capacity as stock Tier 1 equipment. Tier 1 Melee weapons must have the same length and width as other Tier 1 Melee weapons. Tier 1 shields must be the same dimensions as provided Tier 1 shields.

>Equipment must be approved for genre and safety before being allowed into play, and can only be used in the approved combat zone after a Pillar provides 10 Chit to their Quartermaster (5 chit if they have Quartermaster Influence). Pillars can only have one piece of equipment as their “Trademark Item” and If they wish for another Pillar to use said “Trademark Equipment” Quartermasters must be paid 20 Chit per use.

>Equipment that deviates too far from standard size or functionality will not be approved. Players must bring their own physical representations for all MacGuffin Custom Equipment.

source: https://www.utopiadescendingct.com/macguffin-brand-custom-modifications/

>>9743265
Source? I'm trying to find mention of this on the website but the layout is such a clusterfuck that I can't even find the basic game mechanics.

>>9743317
People will defend this.

Probably not here, but somewhere, they will.

>>9743280
yep, burger country is a joke, we usually call it United States. The people who live there are pretty serious about making shit decisions. Which are usually funny if you don't live there

>>9743346
larp haven. They will defend it by banning everyone who says it's shit

>>9743317
>>9743488
Please, someone help us.

>Fav weapon is Sabre
>Basically a 18-19thC weapon
>Most LARPs are only up to about the fantasy equivalent if 16thC with the addition of Golden Age Pirates


What characters/outfits would a Sabre work with that is not a Pirate?
Also are there any off-hand weapons/shield that could go with it?

I'm talking about knuckle guards at the very least etc

>>9744495
Kievan Rus / Rus viking
Golden Horde
And a lot of the other more central-eastern countries used sabres, if you mean a more modern version you can always pull one off with things like 16th century Scottish and although they might not be historically correct you can throw 'em in with a lot of later renaissance kind of outfits and the likes; muh rule of cool.

>>9744525
The Renaissance idea sounds cool. Any examples for outfits that might work with a Sabre?

>>9744528
From a quick Google search and slight stipulation. Not sure what kind of aesthetics turn you on?

The rodelero (top left) could work with a sabre as well.

>>9744550

>>9744547
Fancy stuff, I guess? I really dig Sidecapes and the like but they seem to work better with Rapiers...

>>9744551
Who's the prettyboy on bottom right?

>>9744562
Swiss mercenary or maybe a Landsknecht of the Holy Roman Empire

>>9744562
>>9744571
>bottom right
Sorry, misread as bottom left for some reason. He looks like a Lombardy infantryman.

>>9744573
>He looks like a Lombardy infantryman.
ah, too specific. I'll just go with an Italian spearman.

>>9744495
Byzantines work also relly well. They have the perfect blend of western and eastern influeces.

>>9744495
what do you consider as a sabre? because if you really want to make a character for a weapon there might be other options if you choose something similar

>>9744495
Firstly, we have to define sabre, because it sounds kinda like you're generically lumping any semicurved, single edged blade with a complex hilt, rather than a particular weapon.

>Sabre work with that is not a Pirate?
Pirates wouldn't use sabers.

>Also are there any off-hand weapons/shield that could go with it?
Lets narrow down what you want to portray first.

>I'm talking about knuckle guards at the very least etc
Tons of weapons since the late 15thC have had knuckle bows.

Pic is a 16thC Swiss saber.

>>9744878
15-16thC Messer

>>9744882
15thC Italian infantry sword

>>9744884
Forgot pic

>>9744887
Finally, the dussack, or peasant's sword. Really saw its heyday in the 16th and 17thC.

>>9744878
>>9744882
>>9744884
>>9744887
>>9744889
Not that anon, but this is brilliant, thanks.

What would you call a sword a pirate uses?

>>9744633
>What do you consider as a sabre?

Basically what you specified here >>9744878
but with the addition of being somewhat ornate I guess. The guard type I'm looking for is either mildly complex stuff like pic related or that somewhat rectangular guard (I can add an example in a different comment, if needed.)

>Pirates wouldn't use sabres
True, but people associate close enough stuff to them so they won't bat an eye over a sabre-wielding Pirate, in contrast to, say, a sabreur in a 14th/15thC-inspired outfit.

Most of the swords you posted are really cool, but not exactly what I'm looking for

>Let's narrow down what you want to portray first
Either some sort of a duelist, officer, or a noble rich enough to use proper equipment on the battlefield and fancy clothes outside of it.

>>9745068
Cutlass.

>>9745068
Cutlass, cuttoe, hanger, briquet... etc.

>>9745088
Problem is, that style of sword as you have pictured is 19thC+, and is a military cavalry weapon.

>True, but people associate close enough stuff
Those people are stupid. We're talking a weapon literally half the length.

>Most of the swords you posted are really cool, but not exactly what I'm looking for

If you're looking for a medieval equivalent, then you're kinda SOL.

>Either some sort of a duelist, officer, or a noble rich enough to use proper equipment on the battlefield and fancy clothes outside of it.

You're crossing streams here without understanding what each of those means.

A professional duelist would use weapons optimised for his skill set, such as a rapier.

And officer would carry a weapon that is indicative of his job. He might duel with it, but that's an after thought to doing his job.

A noble could be either of the above, but would be armed in dictation of those roles. A noble who isn't either, would still carry a weapon similar to a duelist as such weapons are optimised for defense.

So you have an option: if it's just fantasy larp, fight with what you like, who cares. Trying to justify it makes it wonky.

>>9745153

>Problem is, that style of sword as you have pictured is 19thC+...
Yes, that was the problem I mentioned in the first post

>...and is a military cavalry weapon.
What're the differences between this and an infantry sabre?

>If you're looking for a medieval equivalent, then you're kinda SOL.

What is SOL? And I'm not looking for a medieval equivalent, I was giving it as an example. What I'm looking for is an outfit that won't look terribly out of place in your average fantasy LARP but would still fit aesthetically with a sabre like the one I posted or similar stuff to it (Semi-curved, complex hilt, fancy and ornate to a degree)


I'm aiming for what you said in the last sentence - I'm not looking for any clear justification, but a kit that a weapon like mentioned above won't look too strange with.

>>9745178
>What're the differences between this and an infantry sabre?

The nomenclature of "infantry saber" is modern, incorrect and misleading, and not used in actual classification of swords. It's like "chain mail". It's pop culture wordage that doesn't actually make sense.

Physically speaking, the balance, grip, weight, length and techniques are completely different between infantry and cavalry weapons. Manuals for using cavalry swords on foot is actually something we have little record of until the Napoleonic era, which is systemized to work around the handicap the weapon confers, purely for the sake of fashion and image.

It's like the katana. Fashion and culture revolving around the glorification of mounted combat developed a system around the weapon, rather than use a better designed weapon.

>What is SOL?
Shit out of luck

>What I'm looking for is an outfit that won't look terribly out of place in your average fantasy LARP but would still fit aesthetically with a sabre like the one I posted

It's like trying to bring a revolver to a medieval game, there is not much you can do without handwaving it. The kit that go with a sword like that are centuries different from generic medieval/ren. You'll stick out.

Or find a fantasy Georgian/Napoleonic or early modern game. I got bored with the local medieval fantasy games and started up a not!18thC game with some friends.

>>9745211
> Manuals for using cavalry swords on foot is actually something we have little record of until the Napoleonic era, which is systemized to work around the handicap the weapon confers, purely for the sake of fashion and image.
Like the uniforms with coats that were too small to actually wear?

>>9745088
here is a trick question: if you are already cheating with the sword isn't it totally irrelevant which century is it from? You are going to a larp, not reenactment.

Also if you don't want to compromise on how believable it must be that you have a fake weapon of specific kind then we have to look deeper on what can we change in the weapon department. I mean Are the curved blade really important? Are the guard in that fashion is really important? Can any of them be changed and to what extent? etc...

anyway either get a naval cutlass and say you are a nonspecific gay person or look into basket hilted stuff if you want the guard to protect your hand

>>9745226
Exactly.

>>9745302
>get a naval cutlass and say you are a nonspecific gay person

Hey man, what happens bellow deck, stays bellow deck. Now, get to the bunks, its another cold night.

>>9745226
>>9745336
Why would they have coats that didn't fit?

>>9745702
because capes weren't edgy enough during that time

>>9745302
Not exactly, since that's a slippery slope.

Let's take a simple, classic 13thC inspired Knight kit for our example - Maille, and a nice tabard on top of it.

Could that person use a Spadone, a Sidesword or even as far as a 17thC Swiss Halberd without most people thinking it's weird? Probably. Because it works aesthetically. Can the same person use a Dao or the very type of sabre that started the discussion? I mean, they CAN but it'll look weird. Because it stands out and doesn't fit with the rest of the kit aesthetic/'vibe' wise.

It's not the period that matters, but if you'll go around with a surcoat, a sidecape, viking-era hat and 16thC styled gloves you'll just look like an idiot.

>>9745336
Sauce??

>>9745803
>I mean, they CAN but it'll look weird.
right next to a cheanmail wearing kukri wielding fellow?

>you'll just look like an idiot.
That's a given in a US larp

Anyway I get your point but if he doesn't want to change the weapon there is really no other option than roll with it. Maybe changing his race into something fantasy bullshit and call it a day but I doubt that's an option.

So it's either find something similar that it's still okay with him, or just getting a saber and not giving a fuck as most people who are educated by Hollywood couldn't tell swords apart anyway.

>>9745178
>I'm aiming for what you said in the last sentence - I'm not looking for any clear justification, but a kit that a weapon like mentioned above won't look too strange with.

For my money, as long as you don't care about historical accuracy, anything that doesn't rely heavily on plate armor or obviously come from a culture people won't associate sabers with (Nordic, for instance) will probably look fine. The main thing I would keep in mind with something like a saber is that hand protection is somewhat redundant with gauntlets, so anything that would look silly without gauntlets--say, a gothic knight--is probably a bad choice.

Since there's a strong overlap with LARPfags and HEMAfags, and as HEMA threads elsewhere are toxic as shit, I was hoping I could come here for some help.

I'm trying to get my hands on a copy of Jeff Forgeng's "The Medieval Art of Swordsmanship: A Facsimile & Translation of Europe’s Oldest Personal Combat Treatise, Royal Armouries MS. I.33". It's the current standard text for doing I.33, and it's both out of print and going for triple digit prices on Amazon and elsewhere. I'm hoping that somebody has access to a PDF or something like it, or is purging a swordfighting library and wants to sell one off.

Any help?

>>9746044
>and as HEMA threads elsewhere are toxic as shit
People howling for your blood again?
Also sadly I don't have it, but I will ask cutleranon maybe he has it.

So guys, for hipster points I'm setting up a group of students. And not the nice kind, but the bad kind with all the elitism, medieval murder sprees and daddy's money that you can imagine. For this we're looking for civilian renaissance clothing. We wanted a vibe that's simple enough for people to step into, stood out as civilized and civilian and still had room to grow into cool things.

Now I got a bit of a moodboard but I thought maybe you guys had some cool images of men's renaissance civilian clothing?

>>9748452
What exactly are you doing/want? Try not to ramble this time.

>>9748474
I want pictures. Pictures of renaissance (Italian) civilian clothing for men.

>>9748478
>Pictures of renaissance (Italian)
so, you want pictures of gay people?

>>9748478
>Pictures of renaissance (Italian)
so, you want pictures of gay people?

>>9748494
Don't you have a schamkapsel to drool over with your definitely straight Lan(d)sknecht friends?

>>9748496
are you jealous of our superior fashion?

>>9748501
Man, I like landsknecht stuff, but can't have everything be landsknecht. I needed something which I could get people to make quite easily and Landsknecht stuff is behind a bit of a pay wall what with all the wool and a lot of work.

This worked better for both standing out, fitting our theme, and above all: being able to get people to do it.

>>9748452
>>9748478
Best choice. I for one love the hosen and doublet look. Much less queer than the puffed and slash gay-pride float look of the landsknecht.

>>9748494
Feel threatened?

>>9748637

>>9748644

>>9748647

>>9745815
...
I mean, I have a feeling Kukhri+Maille COULD work if you threw some rugged outfit, maybe with some rogue-warrior hybrid theme, but that strong noble red is just... Ugh.

>>9749070
Considering that Himalayan and South Asian cultures used mail extensively, and the oldest surviving kukri dates to the 1600s and the design being around for much longer, the two go together pretty nicely.

Even if we keep it European, the kopis and sica are similar to the kukri so an Classical styled kit could use both and not be jarring. I agree though, that a rugged rogue/outdoorsman/scout/bandit type look would work too.

The basic problem is that the kit is shit in general, the mismatched weapon is only a garnish. If you put some actual effiort into a kit with a strong cohesive aesthetic from fantasy, history or a blend then there's no reason you can't have both.

>>9748637
>>9748644
>>9748647
>>9748651
Cheers Gropey. And without snarky commentary like the others as well: it's almost like I'm not on 4Chan.

>>9748508
>Man, I like landsknecht stuff, but can't have everything be landsknecht.
that's true. Then again, german civilian clothing is just as interesting, and I have more of those.
Also civilian clothing is also made out of wool, so you have to cheat with the material regardless.

>>9748637
>Feel threatened?
by someone who doesn't even have a manly codpiece? Not a chance

>>9749103
>If you put some actual effiort into a kit with a strong cohesive aesthetic from fantasy, history or a blend then there's no reason you can't have both.
I would say that's true for every weapon and clothing and armor combination. You can make it work, although in some cases it will take a lot of effort.

>>9749141
I come to 4chan for the snarky commentaries

>>9749163
>German civillian clothing
Post one that could match the top-tier Itallian fashion

>>9749167
well name a time period.
But technically speaking they weren't THAT different from italian fashion. I mean, random people who don't know shit about it probably couldn't tell the difference.
Anyway we can go from this

>>9749173
to this

>>9749174
through this

>>9749175
and might as well end up like this

>http://www.mytholon.com/en/costumes/shoesgaiters/10085/lionel-boots?number=971653&c=1459

>29€ for a synthetic mass produced shit boots

Worth getting as backup/character switch boots? 29€ is practically nothing

>>9749614
if it fits you it's better by lightyears than a modern shoe.

>>9749614
Supposing they're okay quality and up, that's a pretty damn good price.

>>9749696
Was thinking about using them along with some hoses. Maybe a bit far fetched to think that they would fit in on a 13th century based larp that I'm planning for, but instead use these on fantasy larps and save some wear on a proper pair of period shoes?

Been using military leather boots up until this point since the weather is pretty bad on most larps I attend ( https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/swedish-m90-combat-boots/20353 ). They are neutral enough to pass loose restrictions but any serious campaigns obviously says no. At least I haven't gotten any blisters or frostbite like the period nazis.

What is the best place to buy period shoes from again? Preferably with rubber sole option.

>>9750762
I don't expect anything from Mytholon to be of quality, but they say that they are ok for outdoor use so I'll give them another chance of getting dissapointed.

>>9752268
Well it will be okay as long as you won't clame it's accurate. Won't be great but it will be okay.

>What is the best place to buy period shoes from again? Preferably with rubber sole option.
private shoemakers

>I don't expect anything from Mytholon to be of quality
Their gloves are surprisingly good, and some other clothing too. Nowdays some of their weapon suppliers are getting better too.
Still amazingly shit in the armour front

>>9752551
>private shoemakers
Great.

>Their gloves are surprisingly good

My pair had two broken buttons and one finger was not sewed straight so the fit isn't great. Also weird sizing system. My bad luck then I guess.

>>9752976

>>9752976
I've never encountered a perfect fit for cheap gloves so you have to account for that.
But we have sever mytholong gloves here and had no problem with them apart from the usual wear and tear that comes from usage through the years

So where do you guys go to get your gear? I've been thinking about getting into larping. Trying to keep it simple, start off with a Knight Templar look. Any general advice you can offer on regards to looks, places to buy? Things to avoid?

>>9753327
Where in the world are you?

>>9753329
The U.S.. More specifically, California. I'm looking into what kind of events are around the area, though from what I've heard, things around here are notoriously bad. That's kind of what stopped me from looking into it for the longest time in the first place.

>>9753327
>So where do you guys go to get your gear?
I make it myself or by the help of a friend, or sometimes buy it.

>>9753327
Beyond Knight Templar, what sort of look and kit/weapons are you leaning towards?

How accurate do you want to be, how much money are you willing to spend and are there any issues such as needing low-weight armour that will affect your kit?

Classic Knight Templar-ish look is a mail hauberk under a surcoat, sword and kite/heater shield. Helmet choices are usually a nasal, enclosed/early great helm or just a mail coif with an optional secret/skullcap either over or under it. There's a huge variation in how the kit will look though with all the extras you can add, quality and style of armour, touches from a specific historical era or fantasy look, and overall budget/effort.

>>9753345
I'm hoping to have a look similar to Jacques de Molay, so around 13th century, which I always thought was a simple, classic look. I really like it.

>How accurate do you want to be, how much money are you willing to spend
Well, I'd like to be pretty accurate. I figure if I start off with a clear image, I can eventually branch out into the more exotic or fun stuff. I'm going in assuming I'm going to have to sound at least a couple of hundred dollars little by little by the time I have everything. Especially since I hear the real high quality stuff can run a few hundred by the piece, tough I don't know if I'd go that far.

>issues such as needing low-weight armour that will affect your kit
Is that common? I'm a complete beginner at the moment.

>a mail hauberk under a surcoat, sword and kite/heater shield
Right, I figured I'd go with the hand and a half sword, skull cap and great helm.
Aside from these basic touches, I wasn't really sure what could/should be added.

>>9753364
>Is that common? I'm a complete beginner at the moment.
Well, we have a guy here for example who once fucking broke his spine. Now he can't really wear any serious armour. Although he will still fuck you up with his swordsmanship.

Anyway about the stuffs:
Focus on the cloths first, accesories sceond, arms and armour third.

You will need proper materials, that's where most costumes fail, when they use synthetics or other similar chepa stuff that simply doesn't have the look, thickness and several other attributes.

You will have to find proper linen. At least 70% pure. If you can get wool that is also at least 70% pure AND kind of cheap than get that too.

Also if you want to make the stuff yourself then look up "the medieval tailors assistant" on the net.

At first you can ignore the shoes, just trie to get something that isn't blatantly modern or hide it one way or another.

>>9753364
Late 13thC is a pretty good era, especially as it has lots of options and equipment early Templars lacked such as those hand-and-a-half swords (Swords of War to use the period term).

If you go for a shield, then a classic small heater is the way to go. You'll want a mail coif alongside the skullcap and great helm, luckily by this period seperate coifs with circular aventails covering the shoulders are now in fashion, which is good as those are the standard coif shops sell these days. Altering the coif so it fits properly is a big plus, loose flapping coifs look rubbish and are distracting in a fight.

I really recommend getting a proper surcoat instead of a tabard. They look a lot better and cheap cotton tabards are a staple of barrel-scraping LARP costume.

The mail is a big variable both in construction and coverage. You want something longsleeved and knee length or a little shorter. Attached mail gauntlets or mittens would be ideal but it's harder to get them off the shelf, they could be something to add at a later date if you wanted. Mail leg armour is also an option for future expansion.

Butted mail is a lot cheaper and can more easily be repaired and altered with only a set of pliers at home. Riveted mail is more historically accurate but is much more expensive and has a few other drawbacks. In both cases, smaller rings are better; 10mm is way too large, 8-9mm is normal. Some riveted mail is 6mm but that is very expensive. 8mm butted should be achievable and look good.

The gambeson underneath all that should be fairly thin for ease of movement, weight and not overheating. Decent soft kit really helps too, rubbish clothes can ruin a kit even if the armour and weapons are great.

>Is that common? I'm a complete beginner at the moment.
Some people hate the idea of wearing steel armour or have medical problems, so lightweight aluminium mail can be attractive or a neccesity. Most semi-fit people shouldn't have a problem with steel though.

>>9753364
>>9753381
More stuff.

HLF is spot on, clothes make the man. Natural fabrics completely outclass synthetics/poly blends. Basic kit is a tunic and hose/braes, but an undershirt and cloak should follow. Medieval tailors assistant gives a breakdown on various styles. Cloak and hose should be wool and the braes/undershirt lightweight bleached linen but the tunic could be either linen or wool, depending on local climate.

The greathelm is also probably not necessary to start with, especially if you are on a budget. The skullcap/coif combo is protective, looks good and was often used as the standard headgear. Sometimes greathelms would be worn for the initial cavalry charge but then removed for the melee.

Check out http://manuscriptminiatures.com/ for period artwork of knights and such.

>>9753381
>The gambeson underneath all that should be fairly thin for ease of movement, weight and not overheating.
this is very important and have to be highlighted.

People think that gambesons should be as thick as possible while in reality the ones that were used underneath the chainmail were fairly thin.
Earlier XIII. century versions of gambeson/akteon were stuffed usually as far as I know but if you sew together a few layer of linen and/or wool that's fine too. Basically ~4 layers of linen could be enough depending on the thickness.

Also if you have time with the chainmail mod it to fit your body. It will look better and also greatly reduce cost.

>>9753394
Evidence for the construction of early 13thC gambesons/aketons is pretty sparse. However quilted linen/(rarely)cotton, stuffing and some sort of felted garment were all in use. Quilting seems the most common though, especially for under-armour padding. It's not even clear at what point wearning an aketon become the norm instead of just having the mail over your clothes although at least some knights were doing so since the middle of the 12thC. I suspect that the practice was adopted from the Arabs dring the crusades but there's no hard data to support that.

Do you have sources/personal experience with 4 layer aketons? I need a new one and thought doing a proper quilted linen thing would be good but can't decide on the number of layers. I can't find any period descriptions for the era and modern patterns seem far too thick.

>>9753337
>>9753345
>>9753372
>>9753381
>>9753387
>>9753394
>broke his fucking back
Holy crap. Wasn't expecting that. Yeah, maybe lighter armor might be the way to go. Thank you both for all the help. Is there a particular place you recommend when getting the fabric or should I jyst start shopping around?

>>9753453
nah, I mean. He broke his back when he was a kid. fell from a tree. And because of that he can't wear any proper armour, his back is just shit.

>>9753425
no source on it, but for larps it should be enough. I even wore chainmail for several days _under_ my cloths so it will remain concealed and had no problem with it.
4 layers reasonably good linen should be enough for larp regardless.

I ONCE found a period mention on how thick an aketon should be but that was a half sentence offhand mention. And I can't find it since then...

As for the wearing stuff on civilian clothing I have a firm belief that it never completely disappeared if we can count arming doublets as semi-civilian (or if we look at the less wealthy soldiers). But in the 16th century it's happening again widespread, or at least we have sources to it again.

>>9753327
Save yourself some money and make your own helmet and chainmail. Mail is simple, but tedious. A great/barrel helm is one of the simplest helms to make, and you can pretty much form it by hand.

So I consider rolling a character who's some sort of an isoteric weapon master, some sort of a wilder version of Fiore or Talhoffer.

The fighting style I go for is probably going to focus around one main sword in the dominant hand with all sorts of stuff in the offhand-Strap shield, buckler, Kama, Sai, axe, another sword etc.

-What look or theme should I give it, outfit wise?
-Any specific type of sword I should go for as the main one? I'm thinking of going with some Shashka or an Elven kind of sword.
-Any general character development and roleplaying tips for that sort of character are more than welcome.

>trying to find a cheap dishing form to bang out some armor

motherfucker I hate living in a desert with no trees to make a dishing log

>>9756338
Esoteric weapon master makes me think of something along the lines of a sword-swirling Dervish or warrior monk type for whom combat is a form of meditation and mystic devotion.

Not necessarily Middle Eastern, but certainly robes and perhaps travelling kit such as a cloak and hat or headdress. Very spiritual if not actually attached to a church in setting with accessories to relfect that, the base clothes might be quite simple, worn but looked after, to reflect a vow of poverty, constant travel searching out new techniques to learn and a general focus on esoteric study through combat rather than caring about material possessions. He's not the sort of mercenary type to spend his pay on the flashiest set of tights and ostrich feather hat to impress girls.

A slightly curved weapon such as a shashka or generic elfy sword would be a good choice, it looks exotic without going overboard or carrying baggage the way a katana does. Other graceful looking weapons would also work. I'd go for a small shield of some sort that matched with your weapon, ideally gripped rather than strapped, but that is my personal preference. If you can effectively dualwield two fullsized weapons then it can look very good, but if not it can look a bit rubbish and is trickier to learn than using a buckler effectively. Perhaps it's something you could work on in play or between games rather than starting out with. I'd stay away from a kama, sai or similar to avoid looking like a wannabe ninja.

Sketching out the basics of your characters philosophy and why they think esoteric swordsmanship is more than just mundane fight techniques would really help get into their head. People have sought mystic wisdom through all sort of activities including martial arts so perhaps you look at some of those to understand the mindset behind it.

The other thing is to git gud at fighting. A self-proclaimed weapon master who is terrible at combat is a sorry sight (unless as a joke with friends).

>>9756379
Check out any local scrapyard/junkyard. Used oxygen cylinders often have nice, dished bottoms that you can use. Either cut it short like the picture here, or cut it long and have it stand at decent dishing height. Welding and grinding may be needed to clean up such a recycled form.

Or just fill a sturdy fabric or leather bag with sand or lead shot. Lots of auto body places use these.

Worst case scenario: dish into rock-free ground. The hammer will make a little pit as you go; if it gets too screwy, move over and start another pit.

>>9758273
But don't use a propane tank, that's too thin. Make sure any cylinder you may use is properly vented, unless you want to explode.

Do you see scabbards used at your larp? I'm used to seeing rings, sword frogs, and the occasional half scabbard thing. But never full length.

>>9759101
yes, most people who aren't shit tier or new uses some kind of scabbard because they are really easy to make

>>9759157
I always make sure to construct a decent scabbard for my halberd

>>9759720
I honestly can't tell if you are trolling or not.

>>9761053
>Not sheathing your halberd
How else will you wear it on your hip during a formal ball?

One on each hip, for duel wielding, of course.

>>9761056
you might be an uncultured swine but I as a refined mercenary of a great empire know that bringing a halberd to any kind of social meeting is basically showing that the only reason you went there is to trash the place and have a fight. And I'm a peaceful person who is way more drawn to ethically more accepted shanking

>>9735746
I'm looking for somebody who makes quality jupon/gambesons of construction similar to this (and follow up pics). What I want is 14th century padded armor able to stand-alone as SCA protection, maybe with some hidden protection. Nobody in my local scene knits and they just buy pre-made crappy gambesons. I'd like something a bit higher quality, and most importantly THICKLY padded.

Anybody able to recommend anyone?

>>9761109

>>9761110

>>9753473

On the subject of textile armour thickness, this myarmoury thread was recently necro'd: http://myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=26698&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

"These thickness are based off the ordinances listed bellow and the extant examples

•A Jack of 30 layers of linen can stand alone
•A Jack of 25 layers and a leather shell can also stand alone
•A jack of 18 layers of fustian and 4 plus layers of linen
•A Jack of 10 or more layers should have a maille shirt with it
•A Jack that is four to six layers of canvas stuffed with raw cotton (a.k.a. cotton wool)"

The 10 layer jack paired with maille is worn as the top layer, rather than under the hauberk according to another post. Unfortunately both the site this info was sourced from and a similar resource quoted in another thread have since been taken down and the domain sold. It does imply that an aketon should be under-10 layers though, 4-6 does seem like a sensible place to start in the absence of clearer sources (it's pulling double-duty for living history so I'd like it to be as accurate as possible rather than just meeting larp-comfort minimums).

in a lot of art it looks like people stopped wearing as much layering under their armor during the 16th century, was it just better material or did they need the extra room in their poofy pants to carry their massive balls on the field to not worry about injury between plate armor?

>>9761133
armor changed. It doesn't needed suspension points on your doublet so your standard civilian clothing was enough under it. Also I would say it got shaped a bit better so the incoming force was also distributed in a better way, another reason why you don't need that much dedicated padding.

And lets not forget that standard civilian clothing is already ~3 layers of linen and ~2 layers of wool (milage may vary) and _maybe_ one layer of leather

>>9761149
I mean look at this arming doublet. It's basically the same as a civilian plus points that you can attach your armour.
Now if your armour doesn't need those points then you can pretty much wear your civilian clothing underneath it

>>9761151
>>9761149
that makes sense I suppose, still odd to see a guy in tights walking into battle with just a breastplate and a helm

>>9761152
warfare and warfare doctrines also changed, keep that in mind

Anyone know where to get a good ~42 inch spear?

>>9761128
wait, does it imply that mere 30 layers of fabric is enough to stop a sword or a spear from the journey into your entrails?

>>9761324
get a proper sized spear and cut down from it.
Alternatively just buy a spear head and fit it on a shaft that is long enough for you

>>9761331
kind of. obviously the big question is what kind of fabric we are talking about. I mean it IS linen because that's what they used mostly when they were talking about fabrics but the thickness of it matters.

Anyway here is a test made against 30 layers of linen
http://myarmoury put the dot com here /talk/viewtopic.php?t=11131

tl;dr: it stops a lot of stabbing, and a great deal of cutting. OBVIOUSLY it won't stop everything because then steel armour would be out of jobs, but it's a very good protective equipment (although isn't as cheap as some people would like to think)

also I'm working on my waffenrock and finally managed to sew pretty good laceholes.
But sadly 4chan doesn't allow uploading pictures now, just throwing errors...

>>9761365
>although isn't as cheap as some people would like to think
i bet, in the time when people had to weave manually

>>9761541
there's also the problem of growing the flax

honestly, even though most "armour historians" claim that no one used leather armor, the truth is probably most people used leather armor because it's what they could afford we just don't have very many surviving examples of leather pieces from western europe

they used leather in china and japan regularly even after introduction to european style plate and the only reason we know that is because of ancestor veneration so armour was actually taken care of for centuries beyond the time it was made

>>9761552
we lack written and other sources as well for europe, not just surviving examples.
That alone points to the fact that leather armour wasn't used en masse in europe. And yeah there ARE examples and it was used, but not in a huge amount.

Also leather was more expensive than textile, but of course you needed less.
Still textile armour was way more common here for various reasons, not just the cost.

>>9761560
Hungarian, do you know of any good padded armor vendors who will make a long hemmed padded cotte?

>>9761109

>>9761633
meh, nothing extraordinary. There are some mediocer and some okay, but none of them would make you a good enough stuff without you being actually there

>>9761552
I thought the main problem with leather was that there were many better things to do with it than to waste it on armor, like boots, belts, saddles etc.

>>9761787
the main problem you had to take care of the animal until it grew up then you have to butcher it while it's still perfectly good to do other work.
And you can't use all the leather for the armour because the parts at the stomach for example is too thin. So you do years of work with the animal to get one piece of leather that might be not even enough.

If you look at who used a lot of leather armour then you realize it was mostly cultures that had a shitton of animals and weren't too keen on minding, so leather was abundant while metals aren't

>>9761830
afaik it usually was cow and pig leather and at least pigs are slaughtered simply for food, you don't milk them, neither use for ploughing

>>9761830
We have extensive history of leather use in armies of the 17th and 18th century from England all the way down to Portugal, it's not too hard to believe that leather may have been more prolific than originally thought.

Some of the art done from the middle ages shows armor pieces that would have been just too complex for smiths of the time, suggesting that it may have been cuir bouille.

Still though, any leather would have just been an extra layer among many.

>>9761838
17th and 18th is way too late for me, but yes even during the thirty years war buff coats and stuff like that were a thing. But that's by no means the medieval times or even renaissance.

But as I said, yes various leather armours existed but it wasn't the norm.

>Some of the art done from the middle ages shows armor pieces that would have been just too complex for smiths of the time, suggesting that it may have been cuir bouille.
such as?

>>9761844
Had to dig to find this from another person's post.

It's the ornateness in his poleyn compared to the rest of the armor that makes it stand out as probably not metal.

>>9761857
the ornate stuff on it probably not steel but underneath it is steel, otherwise what's the point?

And the ornate stuff could be gold/copper/etc, or even textile or just some kind of paint. I see no indicator why should it be specifically leather

>>9762170
it's a little too early for the drachenfest hype

>>9761760
What about any website vendors that do generalist work? Money isn't that big a problem for me right now, the only thing I can't afford is traveling to see one in person.

>>9762198
The problem with the generalist is that it won't "fit" you. I mean obviously it will fit you but still not the best thing... eh you get the idea.
Anyway the only worthwile vendor I know who also probably either has on stock stuff or doesn't have it's timeline full already is Ekoni
thebookoffaces .com/ekonimuhely/

usually as everyone around here they aren't big on net presence and keeping stuff up to date.Also their stuff aren't especially great either, but well in the good category for the price.

Don't know anyone outside of this country that is worth to mention but mostly because I never had to look into this

>>9762211
>thebookoffaces .com/ekonimuhely/
Thanks, but the URL/domain is dead.

>>9762233
check it again because it works

How does this work?

>>9762238
define "this?"

>>9762236
Not working for me. Is the Magyar web different from the American web? Because it's dead. All I get from the result is it telling me the domain is for sale.

>>9762392
did you put the www.facebook before the whole thing properly?

Any ideas on how I can make armor that looks like bone without totally breaking the bank? Or how a guy could go about making wicker armor?

i think you can always get bones from a local slaughterhouse

>>9762400
Oh. I thought "thebookoffaces", was some weird hungarian website and didn't realize it was facebook.

So couple things...
One, I'm looking for a game. East TN/north ga/north Al
Two, looking for a gamberson, some sort of jacket, boots, and some sort of pants, for a traveling merchant, that would be low fantasy/late 13th century/early 14th century, and work well with a fancier weave chainmail shirt.
Three, looking for a long bow, and arming sword (I'm tall, an arming sword for me is 39+ inch)

US preferred, non dickbat required.

>>9762401
What are you using it for exactly, because foam is cheap

>>9762502
An amerilarp but while the larp itself doesn't have high standards my group itself all has really quality costumes, I have three good ones one but no armor and I'm fast becoming a weak spot.

>>9763069
Use foam if you're just wacking each other with sticks

If you need something a little more robust, boiled and waxed leather pieces tooled, carved, and died to appear like bone would be good

If you want to be a real fucking bad ass, go hammer on some metal plates until you are a metal skellington

>>9763074
Hmm I'm no leather barber but that's appealing

>>9763078
...leather cutter. I'm going to go hide in anonymous embarrassment at seeming not only just barely literate but also weird as hell. Gonna go Google some carving guides

>>9763081
eh I auto piloted died instead of dyed, shit happens and it's late man

fair warning, leather work is expensive up front to get into but if you git gud you can probably make that back in a couple of belts or something

Havent seen any larp themed vids on here for a while so here goes.
https://youtu.be/lhnOtgdkACA

https://youtu.be/iqKOqPECrs8

>>9764591
https://youtu.be/dilF1CXvjGg
https://youtu.be/y_rjTrWQh2I
https://youtu.be/gKKgqbve_uE
https://youtu.be/6LZq609GUE8 [russian]

>>9763081
Post progress if you do leather stuff.

>>9744551
>Spot the Habsburg

>>9764660
Mine will not be nearly as good as yours. I'm not crafty at all, I'm just gonna try to cludge through it and hope it's not too big a money pit if I'm not passingly decent at it. Yours looks great, though. I'll post whatever I can cobble together!

>trying to work your head around an awkward design that is both an armet and a close helm

I swear shit like this was memes back then

end him rightly

>>9765453
>that is both an armet and a close helm
how the actual fuck?

>>9765463
saw it on the wiki page for armets and now I'm confused by its existence

>>9765466
anon... that's an armet

>>9765468
I think you're right, it's just the odd placing of the hinge and the additional plate riveted to the back that was making me go all retarded

>>9765471
it's a german armet, they did these kinds of hinges

>>9765476
Wir leben helmets.

>>9762193
It's never too early for Drachenfest hype.

How come I almost never see people bring trailers to large larps (DF, Conquest, Empire)? They seem great for moving stuff there. I'd have expected every fourth car to have one, but there are almost none.

>>9765517
what kind of trailers you don't see?

>>9765519
The one you put behind your car and toss stuff in

>>9765521
so not the one that is used as a sleeping/living area.

Because the ones that you just toss your stuff in it can be seen all the time

>>9765526
A few of the players at mine use trailers, but mostly they contribute them to help move staff and NPC gear.

>>9765466
Seems to be the "Florentinian armet" from the musee de l'armee which is part of a composite armor.

>tfw finding a thic faun cosplayer on devianart

>>9767347
>faun cosplay
All of my disgust.png

>>9767347
what's "faun cosplayer"? somebody who cosplays a faun?

>>9767347
Link? Does Gropey know?

>>9767846
He dumped half a thread worth of faun pics on /tg/ without telling us, he doesn't deserve it.

>>9768211
>>9767846
Fauns are sl00ts (male).

>>9767347
I need a link for...research purposes.

>>9768211
But WE deserve it!

Also,
>Got myself a wool hat some time ago
>Was one of those semi-stiff hats
>One of its sides got really wet
>Said side is now all flappy

How do I fix it? I heard ironing it might help, but I wanted to consult with random strangers on the internet before doing so.

>>9769025
Steaming might be the way to go, yeah.

>>9769025
Steaming it would be the first step. Stream the part of the hat you want to reshape. Place it somewhere where the part you're trying to shape is correctly supported (if it's a flat brim place it on a flat surface) until it cools.

If this doesn't work then you might need to try a spray starch or stiffening solution.

>>9769433
you are still alive

>>9769506
I guess so, just not doing much historical stuff recently. I just came across an amazing deal for a really nice white wool blend. I'm doing a dye test on it, and so if that works well I might end up making a 16th century Italian gown. Or perhaps a German one.

Here's a dumb selfie from one of the most recent times I wore one of my Florentine gowns.

>>9769516
I personally try to get some proper yellow wool to add as a decoration to my new waffenrock.

Also about 16th century german stuff, this is probably not what you want but here is an early 16th kampfrau

meanwhile got the pics from previous weekens larp and here is said waffenrock in it's half finished state. Have to rework the skirt part, make proper laces and finish it with a few stripes of yellow wool.
But it was wearable and warm. Also a shitton of weapon and armor can be worn under it.

also I'm wearing my modern boots on the pic because the leather ones got rekt during the first half of the game... I wasn't happy

>>9769647
The piles of cowshit makes it extra authentic

Great pic tho, top tier photography, scenery and costumes. I need to get myself one of those swag patterned robes.

>>9769662
those are actually mole digs

>>9769516
Is that one of your own creations? It looks ace and the colour co-ord really works.

Fuck, I don't have enough leave available this year for all the larps I want to do. Should probably find a job that'll let me take long weekends off for leave rather than restricting it to only full weeks. That way I can stretch out my entitlement for more events.

>>9769569
Actually I was considering kampfrau. I don't really want to do a cranach gown. I love the striped skirt but the strange laced midsection and brustfleck don't appeal. Perhaps a more middle class look?

>>9769647
Nice! Looks cosy and you definitely got the garish look going! I like the consistency of color. Outerwear is something I need to work on at some point. I didn't notice the boots until you pointed it out!

>>9769682
It is! One of two dresses, I need to make more really. I decided to try to keep my historical clothing in the same pallet if possible. Greens, red, and brown. That way it should all be pretty interchangable when appropriate.

>>9769842
on the pic I posted the midsection isn't laced, it's done with... hook and eyelet thingies. I don't know the english words for them, we just call it french clips, or something along that line.
But I'm pretty sure you already now about katafalk and whiljas corner, they have a lot of stuff about 16th german cloths

>>9769433
You're an SCA person. Are you friends with Gropey off 4chan? Can you ask him to come to the thread?

Nice dress btw.

Sweet jesus I've had multiple bum orders now, how in god's name do I get a decent gambeson that isn't shite?

>>9770478
Make it yourself.

>>9770480
I ain't got the time or dexterity for that. I have arthritis already, sewing anything is murder.

>>9770478
ive heard good things about steelmastery
armstreet takes measurements, the tunic ive got from them fits pretty comfy

>>9770478
Please list the vendors so that the rest of us may be spared the dissapointment.

>>9770559
The sizing on steel mastery is fucked up. I ordered their standard premade size L gambeson but it was more like size M on chest/shoulder width and the arms were fucking tight. No chance in hell that I'll order from there again (plus everything has to spend one month in Ukrainian customs before shipping out).

I'm making a bard costume that absolutely must have a prop lyre. I'm making it out of foam so it will be lightweight and durable enough to carry around. I'm stuck on how to secure it to my body when I'm not carrying it, though. I'll have a satchel that I could possibly strap it to, and a belt, but I'm really not sure what would be the most secure without impeding movement.

>>9771100
>Please list the vendors so that the rest of us may be spared the dissapointment.
The others were private custom orders, but my latest from an actual vendor was Forge of Svan. It's certainly protective, but the armpit cutouts they do (which IIRC I did not request) chafe like a motherfucker, and you basically need a gambeson under your gambeson. It's also insanely thick and I can barely move in it. The seamlines are also terrible.

>>9770434
Next time, light six purple candles, burn a polyester renfest costume, and tie a faun girl to a wooden frame ala "King Kong".

What can I do for you anon?

>>9771184

I would wholeheartedly volunteer to be said faun girl

>>9771189
Not Gropey, but you should post pics.

>>9771189
Lol. Thanks. Haven't done a fawn hunt in ages.

>>9771195
Keep it in your codpiece, anon.

What's new, everyone?

>>9771198
What's your email, sir Clownfag?

>>9771198
>What's new, everyone?
Any advice on gambeson vendors?

>>9770139
Ahh. I meant this sort of strange lacing on the midsection on these sorts of dresses. I don't object to front lacing, my Florentine dresses have that

I don't know about those resources, please tell me more!

>>9770434
I'm sort of an SCA person, lapsed I guess? Anyway I summoned the clown man. You're welcome I guess?

>>9771215
Bah dropped my name. I'm out of practice.

>>9771207
It's screwloosecircus at gmail dot com

>>9771210
East Euro companies in general are going down hill to compensate for sudden increase in demand. With the growth of steel combat, it's finally becoming apparent to the public eye why quilted defenses are universal and not optional. You're beat off buying a good repro pattern of the design you want, and getting someone to make/make your own.

Fit and quality to value is just unreliable these days. Lots of dissatisfied folks of late.

>>9771217
That's my problem. I don't have anybody around me to make gambesons because they've literally all quit.

>>9771236
Historical sewing is alot of work, and gambesons are not particularly exciting to make so if you do find a seamstress that is talented enough and willing to make one expect it to be expensive.

>>9771245
That won't be much of a bother for me considering there's none near me. They all quit their jobs on account of age and there's literally nothing around me. I'm in a seamstress dead zone.

>>9771236
Where are you? Have you tried looking up other local historic groups?

>>9771245
Yeah, there is a reason my particular jack runs $400+.

>>9771248
I'm in Roseville, CA.

>>9771248
>Yeah, there is a reason my particular jack runs $400+.
Unfortunately I spent $500 on a custom order gambeson. Not only was the size fucked up due to a communication error, but it was too thin to be any good. The slav stuff I've gotten on the other hand is too god damn thick. I just want a good gambeson/jupon similar to this

>pic related

But I've had fuck-all in the way of luck.

>>9771263
Dude, I am going to call bull. You're in the state where the SCA originated. Look up your local groups on FB and ask.

Who did you order from?

>>9771268
SoCal person. Apparently something as thick and (un)protective as my sweatshirt was $500 bucks.

Also I have asked around. As far as I know there's nobody around me that does seamstress work that I can personally meet. There's some more farther out, but I'm now wary of ordering online from facebook individuals who can't meet in person and get accurate measurements from.

>>9771111
you are a bard. Hold it in your hand and do bard shit all the time. Act like the guy in an average house party that has a guitar and THINKS he know how to use it and wants to show this to EVERYONE

>>9771215
https://whiljascorner.wordpress.com/
she has a facebook page too

https://katafalk.wordpress.com/

Both have really good tutorials and also show sources for their work

also if I'm already at it I will post those few pics I have from previous weekend's game

and these were the better part of the pics, sadly it was just a small game of 17 people but such life

>>9771507
You mean learn wonderwall?

>>9771507
Thanks for the advice! I'm also taking my recorder with me and will actually be playing on that the whole damn time, hence why the lyre is just the prop- but you make a very valid point. Still, if anyone has any suggestions on a good way to keep it attached to me I'd appreciate it.

Looking for a good LARP! Either one-time or annual stuff like DF and Mythodea are. Could be virtually anywhere in the world, but:
-Must be English-speaking or at least English-friendly
-Must contain at least a good amount of combat
-Preferrably 2-3 days long at least
-Must be between Late August, September and October because that's the only time we'll be able to leave for a long enough time. Any suggestions?

>>9771909
in the UK there are a few big larps like Empire, but the UK anons will tell you more

>>9771538
Requesting more pics of this guy im in love

>>9772014
that's me and there are no more worthwhile pics from that game

>>9771507
Great resources! Thank you! Although talking to the clown made me want to make an 18th century gown, so I'm torn now. I want to make all of the dresses really, when I don't really even have time for one.

>>9771538
You look respectful and noble here but we know better.

>>9771556
I'm not sure what it is about this outfit but it's so so good! I love him wearing his hood like that. Top knotch! Looks like he stepped out of an engraving.

>>9771628
Why the lute at all if it's going to be cumbersome and you aren't going to play it?

>>9772088
>You look respectful and noble here but we know better.
I was just a soldier of high noble, and was respectful towards the guards.

Also I overlooked one shanking and helped a corpse cleanup so had to talk with the gods about how I'm totally a good guy.

>>9772088
>I'm not sure what it is about this outfit but it's so so good! I love him wearing his hood like that. Top knotch! Looks like he stepped out of an engraving.
probably that he managed to found good quality wool for it, not too thick, not too thin (it was sold as a wool for coats and got this look after one washing). Also the shoulders are spot on too

>>9772088
>Great resources! Thank you! Although talking to the clown made me want to make an 18th century gown, so I'm torn now. I want to make all of the dresses really, when I don't really even have time for one
Don't make me post great 16th century dresses

>>9772088
>Why the lute at all?
I'm the GM for a Dungeons and Dragons group, and dressing up as a major villain from the campaign. The lyre was used as his main weapon and as a symbol throughout several sessions, so it would be a shame to go without it.

After doing some research I found some different styles of straps that I think I'll keep with me just in case. Probably won't mind carrying it around, I just wanted options.

>>9772096
>Don't make me post great 16th century dresses
I'm always up for dumps of good costuming. Sway my resolve!

>>9772174
first I will obviously go the german/landsknecht way, because why the fuck not

>>9772088
>talking to the clown made me want to make an 18th century gown
Hes been luring all the lolitas into the 1700s like some sort of pied piper. Granted, he does look good in breeches...
First fauns, now powdered wigs!

these two aren't that authentic but you will get the idea

the doublet is incorrect here but again, you get the idea

oh yeah don't forget these little cape thingies (I only forget their name)
I think this is pretty much right up in your alley and they are 16th century german as fuck

>>9772208
Capelets or gugels I think would be the right term?

>>9772209
no idea, I'm REALLY shit with names. And sometimes I only know the hungarian word which obviously no pointer for the english one because fuck logic

>>9772209
alright, looked up in my extended memory and it's called a gollar

>>9772202
Are those pin-up cards in his hat?

>>9772212
I think I know the bard here! Wonderful fella.

>>9772212
and here is a better photo about those two in the pic.

Also the pictures really doesn't give justice to their outfit, because the green material (I think it was maybe brocate) had motifs on it in a slightly different green.
Also it was their wedding dress.
I'm jelly as fuck on their cloths

>>9772220
It's a landsknecht thing. You know how birds try to always make a nest, dogs dig up something or beavers try to build a dam? Landsknechts try to put everything on their hat, especially if it's vulgar.
But yeah, those are cards.

>>9772220
>I think I know the bard here! Wonderful fella.
he is a landsknecht like everyone else in the camp. But yeah, he has a good voice (although not the best one in the camp)and actually knows how to play on the instrument

Well you might not have succeeded in what you wanted HLF. But your dump is allowing me to lure poor LARP girls into making a Landsknecht kit with me.

So, cheers.

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>>9772186
Are there not!18thC larps?

>>9772235
I know that feel anon. God speed

>>9772245
pretty sure some exists, though probably not in the US

>>9762488
*Sneezes*

and thats all for today because I have to sleep.
Will post a few actual sources if there is an interest.

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>>9771909
UKlarp fag here
due to the number of events it'll be easier to link to a Google calander that lists the UK events that take place for the times >>9771909
asked for:
http://www.larpages.co.uk/google-calendar.html

>>9772302
Thank you!

If it's not too bothersome, would you mind telling me what's the UK LARP scene is like?

Things like, what's your expected costume quality range? Do they prefer deep RP like Norwegians and Finns (At least the ones I know), or is it more arcadey and fun? Do they prefer units and such, or tend to play more unique, 'to each their own' kinda stuff? What's your combat system like? etc

>>9772274
Met this lady at the Hexennacht con this weekend. The smell of fish still lingers in my nose. She and her mate stank up a whole castle on their own.

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>>9772022
Shut up and take the heat off me. Your single, right? You would LOVE to have seagulls come up and chat you up at work every other day.

>>9772088
>the clown made me want to make an 18th century gown

You can't blame that on me. Its just awesome clothing.

>>9772186
>Granted, he does look good in breeches...
Its easy to hide most of my potato when all my clothes are tailored.

>>9772223
>Also it was their wedding dress.
>I'm jelly as fuck on their cloths
>YWN have an epic, period wedding
Feels bad.

>>9772245
After some very minor tweaks and a lot of frank discussion, Lost Stories & Dark tales (our local attempt at a euro larp) decided to shift to a NOT!18thC setting, but still stay lethal horror-fantasy. We did a couple of one shots here in VA, because we have free access to a historic town, multiple sites and clothes anyways.

Shit was cash.

>>9772188
Anyone have a pattern or name of the blue shawl type deal? This is exactly what Im trying to make but self drafting isn't working as planned.

>>9772437
I know a lot of folks use christmas tree skirt patterns. Or even just buy the large/modify nicer ones from stores. Pic related. The nice wool ones and the faux fur ones are super popular.

No, I am not joking.

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Nice! I do think some of the dresses could use a bit more structure to them. I do so love the German willingness to put ALL of the ostrich feathers on their hats.

>>9772274
Loving the smocked collar.

>>9772295
>and thats all for today because I have to sleep.
Will post a few actual sources if there is an interest.
Thank you!

>>9772391
>You can't blame that on me. Its just awesome clothing.
I really can't. I'm still dreaming of a green stripe gown with strawberry silk neckerchief.

>>9772437
It's basically a partial circle with a neck hole. If you have something to drape it on cut out a large enough circle with a hole out of junk fabric and then pin it smaller until it drapes the way you want.

I'm not sure how coherent this description is. One should not drink wine and then try to explain patterning. Maybe it's helpful?

>>9772452
>I know a lot of folks use christmas tree skirt patterns. Or even just buy the large/modify nicer ones from stores. Pic related. The nice wool ones and the faux fur ones are super popular.
I see how this makes sense but I rebel against the idea. Ick.
>>9772208
I do want a cosy capelet. Or perhaps a leaf dagged hood. Cape for my Florentine and a hood for future German clothing.

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These are really really pretty, and I'm more then a bit jelly... Properly fitted and structured too. Weep.

>>9772391
Instead of calling you "daddy", could I call you "Mr. Darcy"? I'll let you do anything as long as you let me and keep the leather gloves on ~<3

>>9772391
>Your single, right?
actually, no.

>>9772606
>It's basically a partial circle with a neck hole
technically saying, not every type is like that. it could have a whole lot of different shapes., just search on "gollar" and maybe put 16th century next to it.

>>9772437
as I said it's a gollar, and I might have a pattern somewhere, will look around

>>9772437
alright, so found a simple pattern for it, but sadly it's in a pdf. Here is a quick printscreen.

Anyway, as others say the simplest version is just a circle, but feel free to try out other forms

>>9772710
>Darcy
He's dressed Georgian not Regency you degenerate thot.

>>9772606
>Nice! I do think some of the dresses could use a bit more structure to them.
yep, I agree. But then again, these are mostly for larp (with a few exceptions) and I show it to you because you can surely see how it could be done better with your skillset.

Anyway let's see some paintings and woodcuts

>>9772763
shit, wrong crop

from this you can get the idea, it's enough spam for today, and if not you can find more here:
http://www.virtuelles-kupferstichkabinett.de/en/search/
try the search words frau or dame

>>9772606
>strawberry silk neckerchief.
I need one too. We can make it all the rage this summer!

>>9772710
Wouldn't be the first time, though without my mutton chop sideburns, it loses the effect. I also have black calfskin gloves for /that/ purpose, rather than those goat skin riding gloves you see.

>>9772717
Really? I was unaware there was a ms. Hungarian! Does she know you're a slav?

>>9772732
To be fair, it's not too different to those not obsessed.

>>9772954
one would think that after these years a dirty gypo like you would manage to steal a better catchphrase from someone.

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This is seriously a 10/10 kit. It's fancy but looks like something that someone would just wear in their day-to-day life.

Is there a pattern you guys worked off for the jacket/outer layer?

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