/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9687004
>favourite
Scones, especially earl grey scones, devon cream and jam are an absolute must.

>least favourite
(Most) finger sandwiches, particularly anything involving cream cheese, salmon, or egg salad, basically anything with a slimy texture. Just thinking about it makes me want to hurl.

I’m making notes of all the girls on my feed demanding larger sizes from Moitié. Let’s see how many of them actually buy anything when their wish is granted. I’m betting on <25%, and that’s being very generous. They’re the same people who demanded larger sizes from Haenuli and VM and not a single one of them ever bought anything from those brands.

Some part of me will be salty if rare MMM prints are being released. Their godly value will crash

>>9687004
Fave: macarons, grapes, dry snacks, carrots.


Not: burgers, bad pizza (Italian could be ok), afternoon tea sandwiches. Sushi can lead to unwanted soy sauce splashes on brand.

>>9687016
I’m not sure what your prior is here. Fatties can’t have money?

What's the discord link?

>>9687027
naryt I think the point is that they don't put their money where their mouth is, not that they don't have money to spend. It's always struck me as an "everything must be inclusive" thing - yeah, the potential for getting more customers is there but not if they go out of business expanding/accommodating before profits are made.

Sleeping Garden re-release!

This cut and colourway (grey) only.

>>9687082
>>9687082
I think Americans jump on any chance to tell Japanese brands to get bigger sizes. Not just fat people, tall ones too. Remember when a Physical Drop employee posted to fb and people asked for full shirring and longer dresses? They didn't even look up the brand before complaining.

You can Judge me, but salty af with this size thing. I don't want MMM to have bigger sizes, I wish they could keep their silhouette and small sizes as part of their concept. Also, don't want stretched dresses because people thought that shirring means everyone can fit.

>>9687016
I love how salty you are, it's making me feel less bad about my own salt

>>9687116
>mfw when I finally found Ritual in ivory
It was so stretched out, it was basically a sack.

>>9687016
I already saw some negative comments on it, these people will never be satisfied.

>>9687116
>mfw when I finally found Ritual in ivory
It was so stretched out, it was basically a sack.

>>9687104
I already saw some negative comments on it, these people will never be satisfied.

>>9687027
Ayrt and >>9687082 and >>9687109 are right. Maybe they enjoy the selfrighteous feeling of telling Japanese brands to be more inclusive or maybe they're just fantasising about being just as cute in those brands as smaller girls, but when time comes to put their money where their mouth is they're always suspiciously absent. This fucks over the brands who spent extra manpower and materials to make products for a market that is, in reality, practically nonexistent. It's not just Americans btw, I'm in Europe and I know plenty of girls like this. They derail every conversation about certain brands with their own insecurities and complaints about lack of full shirring, but then when Moitié or VM makes something with full shirring they complain that they don't want it because it's not as elegant or slimming as pic related. Yeah no shit, you asked for shirring! If you wanted a flattering fitted A-line dress tailored to your specific measurements you should've said that, or just get it commissioned. Put up or shut up.

>>9687116
I actually also want them to keep their sizes as they are I just wish they'd label them correctly. Because there are indeed quiet a few of their dresses I can fit with my boobs but I can't tell which aside of the shirred ones as every fucking piece is listed as 88cm.

>>9687159
This honestly makes me salty as fuck, a lot of the main brands are getting huge and I now have to worry about dresses being too big for me, even though I'm a completely normal size. The only thing I want from Moitie is more clarity about their sizes, because not everything is 82 cm bust and it'd be nice if they could list things as such.

>>9687082
Idk, I wouldn't judge like that immedietaly. I'd vote for bigger sizes but probably wouldn't buy their next release. But bigger sizing would make me at least consider to start with gothic. Buying first hand brand isn't that easy, I think it's for loyal customers only. But if I knew Moitie catered to my sizing I might try some dress second-hand and then maybe buy somthing brand new if I liked it.

>>9687166
Labelling the sizing properly would be great. I your pain of being able to fit some but not all pieces.

>>9687016
wait, you're actually incorrect about Haenuli. Nu-Nu is rolling in dough as an indie deisgner since she offered more sizes.
I'm plus but wouldn't ask that of major brands because I feel it's shameful and whiny. What I would do is ask for more shirred waist designs or long length versions. that's all I need.

>>9687167
Same. I'm completely average for my height, which is 4" taller than the average Japanese girl, yet most of my dresses are a good few inches too big for me in the waist. I know lolita isn't supposed to be skintight but it's not supposed to be flapping in the wind, either. Even corset lacing doesn't always help because at some point you have too much fabric bunching up underneath and it starts to look and feel awkward.

>>9687169
I appreciate the honesty but you must understand that you maybe considering potentially buying secondhand is not an incentive for Moité to change their sizing, since it doesn't actually put any money in their pockets. Why would they want to cater to people who are, by their own admission, not planning to buy from them directly? You say you might become interested in gothic and may one day buy something new, but from the perspective of a small brand like Moitié that's a very risky long-term investment to make.

>>9687016
If Moitié made something my size, I would definitly buy it. The only problem is that most of the time when brands decide to make plus size items, it’s always in a form of full shirring/full back shirring, which looks awefull on me. (Personally I think those dresses look bad on pretty much every plus-size Lolita.)
It’s better to just have two sizes like IW. If they do that I would already be really happy. I just want longer/a bit bigger dresses to fit my Scandinavian body.

>>9687200
God, AP is the worst about this. Both the tiered version of Petit Patisserie and Milky Cross were so big they bagged, bunched, and drooped all over on me. I'd have to alter them to fit, and I'm not even sure I could MC. I sold them both.

>>9687159
I understand that full shirring looks ugly, but instead of full shirring, brands could make different sizes instead of adding just more shirring to dresses. Maxicimam is the only japanese brand who acutally has 2 different sizes, and the dresses fit so much better.

>>9687016
I feel like I've contributed to this... I asked for a re-release of this dress here >>9684392 but I'm not a fatty, I just like the design of the dress and it's so old and rare that I think a re-release may be justified. It's also on my wishlist and I'd definitely buy it if they decide to remake it.

I'm so sick of all the comments about Iron Gate and some other highly popular prints on the other hand. Many people wrote that they only voted for them because of their second hand value and that they're on the wishlist of their friends so they want to make it easier for them to purchase etc. How about fucking no. If you don't even want to buy it yourself, then don't vote for it. You don't even know if your friends even want it anymore once the print loses its status symbol of being iconic and extremely rare. It has happened in my friend circle all the time. Who even wants Vampire Requiem or Elizabeth bride of the death even more.

I really hate how a majority seem to be fine with manipulating these polls. I remember when back in the day Victorian Maiden and Mary Magdalene would make annual polls about re-releases and all the people who don't even wear those brands came and voted for crap they think everyone else would want. I still remember the annual stitstorm when everyone got mad because St. Claire got re-released again and again but no one actually reserved it because there were plenty available second hand and the market was already oversaturated with them. These polls can turn out very badly economically for the brands doing them if they don't pay attention. Victorian maiden didn't make one of these polls in ages (oh, I wonder why). Some brands value their integrity more than a few more (not even guaranteed) percentages of international sales and you can't blame them for it.

>>9687222
Iw does M and L and a long M.

Also you guys forget that you can add shirring without ruining the cut.

>>9687210
I'm actually Scandinavian and Moitie fits fine.

>>9687166
Do you read their descriptions? They often put a bit more information on sizing there.

>tfw archived all of 2007 daily lolita but lost my account
Fuck it

>>9687227
And it's a nightmare. IW sizes are disastrous and don't fit small/petite nicely. They get baggy and often too long. I can only rely on their older pieces.

>>9687229
Lucky you, I have problems with pretty much every brand. The bodices are always way too short for my length, waist measurements should be near bust measurements for me, as the waist sits at my underbust.
I fit shirred moitie, but it just looks aweful.

>Western lolitas want bigger sizing
>Moitie thinks about it
>Moitie opens survey
>On Weibo

Kek.

>>9687243
Anyway, here's a screenshot of the survey. You get three choices and you're supposed to check the bust, waist and height measurement brackets that you fall into.

>>9687243
This means that the Chinese want it too.

>>9687245
Well, hopefully since it's on Weibo it won't be taken over by whales. Really hope they don't listen to this though.

>>9687245
Someone posted it in Lolita updates, directly complains on how 170 height is still too short as they are much taller.

Seems like Moitié is re-releasing Sleeping Garden in only this cut and color.
I’m considering buying it just because it’s grey.

>>9687258
Try reading a thread before posting

>>9687243
Maybe they know Western fatties are full of shit and China is where the money is

Anyone getting this? Also comes in white, blue and black

>>9687235
Can you elaborate anon? There's some IW pieces I'm thinking of getting but since I'm 5' tall sounds like they might be pretty large on me.

Also, reposting my question from the previous thread since I didn't notice it was autosaging. I want to order some stuff from wunderwelt to my tenso address, on their website it says

"We can ship to package forwarding services.
Please note that for orders using such a service, PayPal is the only accepted payment method and credit card payment is unavailable."

How does that work practically? I imagine you would do that through their English website, does it detect automatically that you're shipping to a tenso address and then the website redirects you to paypal? Or do you have to state what kind of address you're shipping to?

>>9687291
I'm 156cm and most of the new stuff look pretty large on me. I forgive some of them being long, since I mostly wear classic and Gothic, but sometimes it's a hassle.

My bust is 31" and almost every JSK looks baggy on me. The ones with corset lacing sometimes helps, but it's a matter of luck.
I bought the Angels in Stained Glass from IW and it didn't fit me nicely. It looked loose both in waist and bust, even with the corset + shirring.

While MMM and VM size 1 fits me perfectly, Innocent World (and of course, AP and AATP) are a no-no (unless we're talking about older pieces)

>>9687224
To fix this they should only email polls to people that have actually purchased either directly from MMM or via Wunderwelt with their new partnership. Not a single other person should be allowed to vote, if you haven’t bought the brand in the past what’s the chance of you actually buying in the future? Especially with all these fattychans that wont buy shit.

Here's the result up until now.

I've seen lolitas irl at Alice's Tea Cup.
That place's best item is probably the pumpkin scone

>>9687291
Make your tenso address one of your PayPal addresses.

>>9687345
Wouldn’t work until WW is faster at updating. So far they are late on releases so you are better off using a SS or CD japan first. It should get better soon.

>>9687348
I'm plus-size-ish and still fit within the second/third most voted categories! Or maybe or maybe I'm not plus size. Anyways,I'm probably going to fit Moitie.

>>9687016
How do you know they HAVEN'T bought things in those sizes?
because desu not all of us air out every single one of our purchases to social media. it doesn't mean we don't buy (regardless of one's weight).
Like not all of us have wardrobe posts or albums either, desu.

>>9687291
VM doesn't do multiple sizes and their unshirred pieces are more or less on par with Baby/AatP when you take bodice cut into account. Their sizing rarely goes under 88-68 nowadays.

>>9687381
This is purely anecdotal, but in my comm the people who are most vocal about their dissatisfaction towards brands' smaller sizing are a combination of cheap and overwhelmingly sweet. They're the same people who only wear pastel explosions and think that spending $150 on new Taobao counts as a splurge.

Maybe if there were more of them who wore custom-sized stuff in styles closer to the offending brands' I'd believe they were buying stuff, but that's just not the case.

>>9687405
In my comm literally everyone hopes moitie will be more forgiving, even the smaller girls who wear the unshirred pieces. I know a girl with a huge wardrobe and she mentions how she isn’t into buying stuff without knowing the measurements since it’s up in the air if it fits a bit bigger than their standard or not.

Since Moitié is trending, what do you think of the quality of their accesories?
I spend quite some money on a bracelet and the quality was shit! Everything was made from plastic and one of the charms broke the first time wearing it. It really wasn’t worth it’s price.
A friend of mine also had this with a necklace, where the pendant easily got bent and the candle-like spikes where on the point of breaking off.
Were we just unlucky or did more people experience quality problems.

I'm just so glad moitie seems more alive. Even if it's probably just Wunderwelt sockpuppeting the brand. Last year I was seriously scared they might close down.

>>9687345
I agree. Isn't this what IW or MM did for some of their re-release polls, if not recently then a few years back?

>>9687441
Do you have pictures of it? Did you buy it from moitie directly?

>>9687441
What are you doing? Take care of your shit.

>>9687004
Aw, I'm not a picky eater, but I dislike it when tea services have a poor savories to sweets ratio. I've had to stop going to my once favorite tea spot because of sugar migraines.

>>9687441
The material says ''Swarovski brass metal fittings''

>>9687441
I also have the problem with one of my candelabra pieces, where it got stuck in the lace of my sleeve and bent. I just bent it back and changed the chain to a shorter one to make sure it wont get stuck in my sleeves again. I consider MmM jewellery to be the same quality as any other burando jewellery.

>>9687512
Nothing, that’s the problem. I am very careful with my stuff. In my friends case it got stuck in her clohing. In my case I have no idea, the charm was just really fragile.

>>9687503
I didn’t, my friend did she bought it at their store. But before she bought it, another friend had also complained about that specific pendant.
I don’t have any photos and I can’t make one at the moment and the Lolibrary one is really bad. The charm on my bracelet has always been fragile, the plastic parts were attached to each other by only one very thin and tiny plastic connection. So that’s where it also broke.
I directly knew it would break, so the option was to not wear it and keep it save or to wear it and wait for it to break. I am still thinking about a way to fix it. I don’t want to glue it as it will just break again, so I am trying to find an idea to make it stronger with iron or something.
It just sucks since we both don’t wear them now. I know they also have jewelry that are made of good solid materials, but as I mostly like pieces with little charms, I was wondering how other people experienced their accesories.

>>9687441
Nothing is mentioned on Lolibrary for the bracelet I have, it’s also an older one, so I don’t know which one you are talking about. But I am pretty sure it’s plastic for mine, also for the stones. The necklace my friend has is from brass, but it’s really soft. I don’t know how to explain it, it just isn’t very strong and solid, like accessories from other brands.

Question: What SS is best for bidding on a Y!J auction? I'm currently using chibitenshi, but I've never sent a bidding request to her before.

>>9687348
>fits waist top two easily
>will literally never bust
>height isn't even listed
God I h8 my giantess body

>>9687546
I just use buyee because it's easy and im lazy. Haven't had issue yet

>>9687291
>I imagine you would do that through their English website, does it detect automatically that you're shipping to a tenso address and then the website redirects you to paypal?
Yes, that's exactly how it happens. You have to enter your (tenso) address and the system shows a message about forwarding services. They had problems with credit card fraud in the past because of tenso, that's why they only accept paypal. Though if you already bought from them in the past and message them about it, they may let you pay with credit card.

Newest 'Last Week Lolita News' video is up! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4cecMXkkIE

Relationship question + Storytime

>The Question
In the case of partners that don't have strong opinions about Lolita Fashion, does your partner have one favorite dress (favorite might be a strong word; tolerate or think is "kinda nice") or one dress they really dislike out of your current/past collection?

>Storytime
My bf is very "bleh" about Lolita. He thinks the subculture is hilarious though and always enjoys a good dramatic re-telling of seagulls mercilessly ripping reach other apart while shrieking "Mine, Mine!". Out of my dresses, he thinks my preference for classic grandma sofa is fitting to my personality but otherwise has no strong opinions... Until now... I bought candy sparkle. And he hates it. He really, really hates it with a passion. He literally has zero opinions otherwise, but now has become very open about; "This, this isn't you - It's diabetes. It looks like something your friends would wear. Why would you ever buy this?". And somehow I find this... Really funny. Like, going from no interest to "I hate it" is just hysterical.

>>9687604
it is one of the worst angelic pretty prints, but you should probably dump him anyways

>>9687169
Your response supports my second statement. By the time people like you warm up to the idea of buying directly from the smaller brands after they've taken steps to accommodate those sorts of requests, they may be in a state like MM is in right now.

>>9687381
You're right that we're never going to have proper stats on who's buying what or where, so we have to work with what we see. So here's what we do see:

- AP and Baby are able to roll out new releases every week while most of the non-sweet brands do it maybe once a month or longer
- AP, Baby and sweet all have higher representation on social media if we go by tagging
- A majority of comm/coord pictures are skewed toward sweet

So yeah, there may be people buying the different size ranges offered by the smaller brands, but there's no denying that in lolita a healthy amount of marketing is done by the consumer. One or five persons buying the odd larger sized item by an indie brand does not profit make.

>>9687604
My bf likes sweet best and is just meh about the gothic pieces I own, but he admittedly has a ddlg kink (which I've flat out told him I find disgusting and will never engage in).

No one should be allowed to tell you how to dress on your personal time, anon. If he makes a huge deal out of this then he doesn't respect you and you should dump him.

>>9687604
My fiancé isn’t really opinionated about lolita. Though he sometimes teases me with it looking weird. But he's happy when I am.
He does like some dresses more than others though. He‘s not a fan of my pastels (ivory is more okay) and he thinks food dresses are kinda funny. He really likes my darker dresses though, like dark brown or wine. He‘s more into my elegant looks than the cutesy ones.

Tyler posted a new vid. Can't watch it rn but posting anyway for other gulls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4cecMXkkIE

>>9687627
I don’t think she needs to dump her bf just because he dislikes one singe dress she bought. A relationship should be worth more than that and a couple doesn’t need to have the same taste and opinion about every single thing to function. Like, if he gave her a lot of shit or tried to forbid her to wear it, this might be a different case. But anon said she never bought pastel vomit before abd I can understand certain guys not being able to deal with this amount of girly pastel shit.

>>9687604
Acquire better bf that respects your life choices

>>9687604
My bf tries his best to remember what I tell him about the fashion. He dosen't know the ins and outs and I don't expect him to.
He's mostly a big puppy dog, I'll show him a dress without saying anything and he'll just be like "I like it, unless you hate it then I hate it too"

>>9687604
I know it's a meme but dump his ass.
And get someone that respects your life choices.
My ex gf used to be like that (and she then told me it was because she was salty to be overweight and kinda boyish thus not being able to fit or look good into it. She was actually jealous of my appearance as well, and it was just super unhealthy so i got out)

>>9687649
Aww, that's actually adorable! He sounds like a good one.

>>9687004
French fruit tarts are the superior tea food, macarons are okay but nothing like those. As far as savory I love cucumber sandwiches and egg sandwiches, but honestly for a casual meetup give me fresh cut veggies with hummus.

I fucking hate tiramisu and brownies. That and when I go to a supposedly nice tea party that proceeds to offer me fucking Sleepytime shit

>>9687224
Bullshit I would love to have iron gate, it had shirring and would fit me perfectly. It's not the status, I genuinely love the dress but not $1000 worth

>>9687348
So about 2/3 of the voters can actually fit into their current sizing but there is also high demand for 90-100 bust and 70-80 waist pieces. I feel like if they made their OP's and JSK's even bigger they'd be saggy and not as elegant anymore on thinner girls, even with shirring. They basically have to introduce several sizings à la JetJ but I wonder if that's be economically profitable since that also means more expenses on the production end. They'd probably raise their prices and go the OTT route or something to balance that out.

>>9687634
you know you are supporting her by watching that? if not with ads, by views

>>9687664
So what? She's doing a good job I don't mind supporting her

>>9687615
It's one of their best

>>9687655
I got the JSK for 500 euro last year

>>9687649
>"I like it, unless you hate it then I hate it too"
Congrats, your boyfriend is adorable.

>>9687652
>>9687680
>he doesn’t have an own opinion how kawaii

>>9687348
>top bust and waist are my exact measurements
>have short torso so I don't mind things being a bit on the shorter side
bless u Chinese lolitas

>>9687687
Who peed in your teacup?
I'm just saying anon's boyfriend is cute by the way he handles it since he doesn't "really" care about the fashion.

>>9687699
I didn't say anything before because I don't care but I also thought he's just trying to say what she wants to hear which is often a sign of insecurity

>>9687699
Yeah I read that as “bf supports my opinions of the thing that is special to me” like he probably genuinely does not care how a piece looks or even have any idea what good means but he trusts her enough to rally behind her. That’s loyalty. Now if it was something like politics that would be fucking stupid of him and he’d be selling out his identity to his gf

Recently found a taobao DD on a resale site. The original shop is sold out so this is currently the only listing I can find for it. For sizing, I'm at the top end of the small size and bottom of the medium. They only have the medium in stock. The dress has no shirring or lacing on it. Would it be a bad idea to get it? I'm worried about it being too loose.

>>9687687
>>9687707
I mean I've gotten shit over being "too opinionated" and I say the same thing when I don't really care. It's like your bf orgasming over one set of dice vs the other. So long as it's properly balanced it's fine with me either way.

>>9687604
My fiancé hates pastel vomit-era AP but so do I so it's all good.
>show him pics from latest meetup
>all he knows about lolita is from me and my wardrobe
>girls at the meet are tripletting Milky Planet in different colourways
>"You look cu- wait WHAT THE FUCK ARE THOSE"
And this is why I'll never take him to a meetup.

Afaik he's fine with my wardrobe, which spans from old school sweet to grandma couch classic to gothic. He doesn't really have a favourite dress but I think he prefers the solids and florals in bright or rich colours. When I ask him to pick out a dress for me for a day out or whatever, he'll first pull out a piece of lingerie because ahuehuehue tiddies, but after that he'll always tell me to wear whatever I like best because I'm the most beautiful when I'm happy or some sappy stuff like that. I'm fine with that. Clothes just aren't his thing.

>>9687713
Seconding this. If I'm saying "as long as you like it" it means idgaf about whatever's being asked about, as opposed to being insecure about voicing my opinions. I get enough shit for being elitist, picky and a bit of a dick about the things I care about, I don't need it to spill over into unimportant shit.

>>9687634
Lol. I wonder how that girl will react if she sees that

>>9687712
Its much easier to make a big dress smaller than a small dress bigger. Get the medium. If its a dream dress than you can get it tailored to fit you perfectly.

>>9687604
I was a lurklita for a while, I showed him a bunch of dresses and styles that I liked. He was completely ambivalent...until I finally got my first dress and tried it on. I remember him going wide-eyed and actually getting up from his computer to fawn over me. He told me he was surprised by his own reaction and it was "different to actually see it on you". Good feels. That said now that I've been wearing it for a while he's gone back to ambivalent. He has no preference over sweet or classic really, I think it's all the same "poofy dresses" to him.

>>9687638
If he just doesn't like it as much then yeah, it's something they can navigate and agree to disagree on. If he takes an infantile tantrum because anon wants to wear one sweet dress when she usually wears classic that's a sign of immaturity and disrespect imo.

>>9687016
>They’re the same people who demanded larger sizes from Haenuli and not a single one of them ever bought anything from those brands.
What the fuck are you talking about? Almost every plus size lolita I know has owned or currently owns at least one Haenuli piece. If you're talking about her least successful and unpopular prints, well duh? Her thinner clientele didn't purchase those either.

You're just...so wrong lol.
And then you're the same kind of person that turns around and harps on about how Angelic Pretty doesn't make their dresses as small as they used to, when it's for the fact that they made their dresses bigger that more of their shit sells these days (except for ugly prints and cuts, naturally).

>>9687765
I didn't get this bit, what happened exactly?

>>9687604
My partner loves the fashion on me and loves how happy it makes me, but it's not something he's interested in himself. He's just not a fashion guy. I'm okay with that though. To answer your question--for some reason the dress that he really really adores is the Fancy Hospital cutsew OP. In his words: "Out of all of your dresses, I think it's the first one where I've immediately thought 'huh, that's really cute.' I dunno why."

Does anyone know if JM will ever re-release their strapped boots? Sorry if this is a dumb question, I've only been in the fashion for 2 years.

>>9687289
Lol looks like a bellhop, not military

>>9687802
The girl you can see made a video (she since deleted). Pic related and apparently it wasn't a parody.
I didn't get the chance to see it sadly

>>9687604
My bf doesn't mind sweet which I prefer, but loves when I wear military/ classic. His favorite dress I have is Crest Gobelin

>>9687649
Aww anon that's cute. Hope you two will be happy together for a long time, sounds like he really cares.

>>9687675
Jsk doesn't have shirring though? What's the actual measurements? Afaik my 92 bust will prevent me from getting any unshirred moitie. This is why I want the OP so much, it's a great gothic print that would fit me

>>9687865
They kind of do a lot of re-releases, in a slightly different style or colour

Not strictly Lolita related because the company is more jfash but how often do you guys get approached by companies wanting to be an affiliate with you on your social media platforms? I got an offer and I feel weird about it and I'm not sure if this a common thing or what.

>>9687895
it is common if you have enough followers

>>9687004
>Hyacynth Bucket for a lolita thread
This show was beautiful

>>9687909
right?? I absolutely loved it growing up, and my mom always joked that Hyacinth was like my grandma, who was really proud, particular and kind of snobby. in an endearing way. image was everything to her

>>9687906
How many is "enough"?

>>9687911
depends on the brand

>>9687919
Okay but I'm looking for an actual range...

>>9687877
Ohhh man. Will the itas ever learn. Thanks anon!

>>9687005
Omg are you me? I love scones, but I hate slimy sandwiches. I also hate cheese in general.

>>9687923
well then you have to tell us which brand it is

>>9687004
>book teaparty with group of friends for 2:30pm
>i'm really bad at event planning, so it's already a big stress for me
>we're sitting in the lobby at two separate tables (we've been in the lobby before, it's not horrible but not nearly as atmospheric)
>got a call from the venue
>"hey anon, just a heads up that we've got a tea in the lobby booked for 4:15pm, so you guys have to be out of there by 4"
>leaving us 1.5 hours total, excluding time to take pictures and wait for any late people

I feel like a lot of the attendees are let down by how short it is, especially when you're paying all that money to attend ;__;

>>9687560
Are you retarded, height is the third option

>>9687934
So you're saying you don't actually know the general range and will make the number up? Got it.

>>9687954
I’ve seen people with a couple thousand followers do sponsered posts, it depends a lot on what the offer is and from what company. 5-10 thousand seem to get them more frequently, but it really depends on too many factors. If you want a better answer you need to provide more context.

There isn’t a hair thread so please be gentle.

How should I style this damn thing? Should I just leave it straight or what? I’m using it for a gothic coord and I just don’t know what to do with it.

>>9687660
I'm on the low end of all the measurements and I'm super worried they'll make something OSFA that's too big on me. Like, by all means, make stuff in size 3 again, but please don't take the small clothes from me. I'd hope they'd consider an MTO reservation for something larger. That way they wouldn't overproduce anything and could gauge interest from people who actually buy their stuff.

>>9687982
Wash your hands

>>9687982
Can't help you, but where's it from? Kind of want one for normie wear.

>>9687987
I was painting beforehand, sorry!

>>9687988
Here you go - just so you know, it's longer than in the picture, this is from me cutting a good couple of inches off. It's pretty comfortable and real thick, especially for the price.

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=15365913764

>>9687895
I bet it's devil inspired.

>>9687004
Chocolate strawberries, vanilla cupcakes, brownies, turkey sandwich, lemon cake.

Least favorite-bland food.

>>9687615
Your opinion is objectively false.

>>9687982
It'll look fine straight down as long as you've got some headwear

>>9687993
It isn't.

Does Baby Paris ever have decent selection? I'm going back to Paris in March-ish and I want to stop in. Last time I did they didn't really have much.

>>9688025
They're close for good.

>>9687617
>One or five persons buying the odd larger sized item by an indie brand does not profit make.
So you're saying the gothic lolita community is virtually non-existant? Because that's obviously not true and sweet always had an edge over it. Doesn't mean it's not still a popular subset.

Has anyone used lolitawardrobe? I love a lot of their stuff, but i'm a little wary to order.

>>9688159
They're a taobao reseller. They're fine to use if you don't want to deal with taobao directly. Just be aware that shipping is expensive.

>>9687604 OP here.
Really loved reading all of these. It's so interesting to hear about this kind of stuff from other people.

>>9687627 >>9687639 >>9687651
Person is neutral towards partner's object collecting hobby, but dislikes the stylistic qualities of one object in the collection and openly states this opinion = DUMP HIS ASS
... Wow, really? lol

>>9687629
A lot of guys seem to like the more elegant, theme-less pieces it seems like. Maybe as girls (cis, trans, whatever kinda girl) we're more drawn to the "fanciful" image of Lolita because of what we grew up admiring (media aimed at girls, toys, etc) while guys maybe are looking at it from a clean slate / objective standpoint?

>>9687715
Mine is more shy about this kinda 'commenting on other lolitas' thing, but he did admit; the idea of a $300 pancake mix bag is... Well, he stared off into the void and had to cope with how different other humans may be.

>>9687780
That's so cute! Even if the magic kinda wore off that's really adorable. Mine seems to notice when I improve, or step it up so to speak. He automatically noticed the difference between a brand piece and my standard bodyline fare the first time I opened a package from closet child.

>>9687825
That's super interesting... Maybe he likes something related to the theme in the print? My bf once offered to chip in with a dress at a store because it was steam punky. He's not into fashion either, but he likes anything steampunk-related.

>>9687938
You might be the retarded one. I'm pretty sure anon meant that they're taller than the tallest option.

>>9687604
my bf goes braindead when i start to talk about lolita, which then makes me feel bad for annoying him by bringing it up. he doesnt like sweet, i dont think he really likes anything i wear. hed probably be happy if i was classic but im just not. i wear anything from ott sweet to old school gothic. he barely puts up with it and i dont wear it around him.
hes an /out/fag which might be why, he just thinks its impractical. i got a new dress and all he said was "how are you supposed to bend over, what if you need to pick something up" while sighing heavily. when i steal his sweatpants he says im the most adorable in the world, when i go camping with him and dont have my hair all done in curls he says im beautiful. when i wear makeup he wont kiss me, i have a history of getting foundation marks on his beard.

>>9688159
They have a lot of unmarked replicas, so be careful abt that too

>>9687935
if thats an abnormally short amount of time to spend at that venue talk to someone about adjusting the price according to the time constraint?

>>9688194
God he sounds terrible how do you put up with someone like that, you deserve better anon

>>9687604
My fiance isn't really into cutesy or goth shit, but he's happy when I'm happy. He bought me a BTSSB dress when we were in New York because I promised to lose weight so I can fit burando. 12 pounds down and it almost looks okay on me!
I wonder how he'd feel if I got some classic pieces? I'll find out one day.

>dream dress on Lacemarket
>limited to a tea party event
>would have to put it on credit card to buy it
>seller has 0 feedback and lives across the planet

At least it seems to pop up elsewhere every so often....

>>9688060
No, I was pointing out that in order for it to be worth Moitie or whatever other gothic label's trouble to expand their current lines to include larger sizing that it would require a significant amount of people to buy those specific sizes. I'm also assuming that the first release of larger sizing will cost the company more than subsequent releases, only because they're doing it for the first time. Someone who works in fashion would know this better than me.

It's a catch-22. There isn't enough information out there to prove whether or not there are hordes of larger sized gothic lolitas waiting to spring on the chance to buy larger gothic brands. And you could argue that the smaller sized brands are struggling because they're not catering to a larger audience. It goes back to what the OP of this discussion was saying, we really don't know how many people will actually pay for firsthand brand despite their complaints.

I just think it's telling that VM tried a release that was more flexible in sizing but hasn't attempted another since (and I completely concede that it was not a well-designed release as well). So that to me also shows a lack of understanding how to properly cater to larger sizes too.

>>9688194
I could not live with someone lika that. He doesn't have to love it, but he has to respect it.

>>9688242
Ask them if they have feedback on other platforms?

>>9688192
Above 170 is all-inclusive dumbass

>>9687954
I'm saying it depends on the brand, what's so hard to understand about the fact that brands decide it for themselves based on how much name recognition they have and how cheap their products are. It could happen if you have 1000 tumblr foklowers.

>>9688274
Sorry for not speaking your dumb moonrunes, roody poo.

>>9687785
None of the fat girls in my comm own Haenuli, they talk shit about it and stuff themselves into Baby, AP and Taobao shit instead. I didn’t even know Haenuli was considered a fat girl brand for years because everyone I know who owns pieces from it is skinny.

>>9688238
>>9688251
weve been together for many years that i guess by the time i realized just how much he disliked the fashion it was like... well i can throw away an otherwise amazing and rewarding relationship or learn to just enjoy my hobby on my own time. i chose to just keep my hobby to myself, have my group of lolita friends, my frilly room, my days to myself. when im with him i just wear very boho style clothes, get some much needed exercise, and try to enjoy that side of my life. its not like he demands i not wear the fashion, and im sure if we had an anniversary dinner he wouldnt mind taking me to a restaurant all frilled up, but hed never partake in dressing himself up more than a button up and tie. such is life.

>>9688310
It's okay to deal with it this way, but please remember that just because a relationship already lasted for so long doesn't mean you shouldn't end it when such problems arise (or you realize they were there all along).
There are way too many people in bad relationships who just won't quit them, because they would be "throwing away 5 or so years". People usually don't change and you should never hope for that. So if it really bothers you, ending the relationship might save you time you could spend with someone who really appreciates you and your hobby.

>>9687243
>thinking brands care about flaky fat westerners
>thinking brands don't know chinese lolitas actually put their money where their mouth is

>>9688314
i appreciate your opinion and take it to heart. im going to critically look at the pros and cons of my situation.

>>9688310
As long as he's not rolling his eyes at you whenever you guys are communicating, frills or not. Contempt on that level is one of the top indicators that a relationship is eventually headed for trouble.

>>9688314
How can you ever have a lasting relationship if you consider breaking up over such a small thing? Should I love and support the clothing style of my boyfriend? He wears sweatpants 5 days a week

>>9688288
That doesn't excuse your stupidity, as anyone would logically deduce that if there isn't an accompanying second number for a bracket, that would mean it's anything over or under. Did you think an option would really just be for 170cms?

>>9688324
It really depends anon. If lolita is an important part of OP's life and her bf is really condescending about it, he might be that way as well if she tries out other new hobbies. This can cause a lot of stress and trouble.

The most important thing is respect here. The way anon described it made it sound like he's really disrespectful. I don't love some of my bf's hobbies either, but I still respect him and I'm happy if he's having fun.
Also, things like
>when i wear makeup he wont kiss me
or
>my bf goes braindead when i start to talk about lolita, which then makes me feel bad for annoying him by bringing it up
are heavy red flags for any relationship. It almost sounds like he's in love with the image he has of OP and not with the person she is. Listening to things you don't have an interest in simply is part of a relationship.
I don't understand anything about IT and I'm not the most logical person, but I still try to listen my boyfriend rambling about programming and such (and even try to follow the conversation). On the other hand he will listen to me when I talk about the next AP release and tries to remember a few of my prints. I kinda feel like that's important.

Tell me, do you actually think these ugly outfits look good? This strikes me as people pretending to appreciate Victorian dresses, but they werent pink or sexually appealing enough so it had to be changed into this abomination we see posted today. No taste, tacky, gaudy, not even elegant in the slightest. Really ugly in general and all the best dresses are the simplest ones. It also seems to attract the absolute worst kinds of women to cons. Very cancerous culture, spending hundred of dollars on ugly outfits. At least have some taste and don't completely disrespect the victorian source material like the outfits do.

>>9688329
Yes, people do. 0/8 baito.

>>9688330
Why is everything bait to you? I noticed any time there is an opinion you don't like people are quick to call "troll" of "bait" over opinions in fashion. Are you this insecure you have to paint every opposing opinion as some kind of epic ruse? Can't you be a bit more honest with the conversation and understand that a lot of people think these outfits are simply hideous and for good reason?

>>9688333
Okay I'll bite. Say you're not trying to get a rise out of people; do you realize that we don't care if you think the fashion is hideous? We're not wearing it for you, your opinion is irrelevant.

>>9688334
Thats fine, if you don't want to discuss fashion and listen to others peoples opinions, you are free to ignore me,. doesn't mean its "bait"
I appreciate victorian dresses, but these lolita fashions spit in the face of it completely. They just turned it ugly and gross, combining fetish wear(long otk socks and boots, for instance) with victorian dresses is fucking awful taste.

>>9688336
Stockings and boots were worn in Victorian times too, and far earlier. You're either uneducated and looking for something to be mad about, or purposely posting bullshit to try making other people mad. This is why anons tell you you're baiting.

>>9688329
the reason we think youre baiting is because we know the history of the fashion has to do with visual kei and music, not with slutting up victorian dresses. personally i see no victorian influence to my style at all, maybe classic lolitas do but just because we have a big skirt doesnt make lolita look anything victorian at all
1/10 got me to respond

>>9688337
Stockings and boots were hidden under the dresses though, they were for their husbands eyes to see as the fashion was about modesty more than anything. Lolita fashion is anything but modest, its loud, its gaudy, its sexualized, its the complete opposite of what Victorian fashion was made to be. You call me uneducated, but honestly you girls are the ones who took a well established fashion and bastardized it.

>>9688328
i like getting this outside perspective, i agree i feel theres something wrong when he wont kiss me with makeup on or when he ignores my hobby, but at the same time i admit i can be equally poor listener. i feel bad that sometimes i catch myself tuning him out when he talks about video games or survivalist technique. i think my guilt is partially why i try to be understanding of his dislike for my way of dressing. were both flawed people that love eachother despite these flaws.
but if you see any red flags in what i just wrote please tell me your opinion again, im obviously biased and dont see what others see. this is why i love to come to this board. when you get a real genuine response it can be so helpful
>sorry tldr, im being an emotional loser

>>9688339
But it IS modeled after victorian fashion. You look up any description for lolita and its described as a spin on victorian dresses. A very ugly spin that spits in the face of it, but its literally taking victorian dress making techniques and applying it into mini dresses, aka sexualizing it more.

>>9688340
>sexualized
Just because you find it sexually attractive doesn't mean it's sexualized, this is a you problem, anon-kun. :^)

>>9688316
China's only children have a huge obesity problem too though. Many of them grew up getting stuffed like a turkeys by both sets of grandparents. This may play out in favor of the complaining fatty chans.

I just want stuff to be longer. Hems, sleeves, and waists to sit lower. No trouble fitting into anything, just a matter of proportion.

>>9688343
Listen, just because you were raised after an era of sexual revolution doesn't mean sexy standards don't exist. By exposing these parts of a woman you make an outfit more erotic
>legs
>shoulders
>chest
>cleavage
Lolita uses the first three all the time. Victorian does use shoulder exposure, but never leg exposure as this would sexualize a dress to much and it would no longer be modest in appearance which is the goal of the dress.

>>9688346
Perhaps chest wasn't the best word as its confused with breasts, its the zone not at the cleavage just above it, when you can see the collar bone.

>>9688342
if you look at lolita fashion history in the 80s it really didnt look victorian at all. the misconception and idea that its victorian inspired comes from the character momoko in a popular lolita novel, who, as a character and her own person thought lolita was inspiring for her victorian lifestyle. just because momoko thought this doesnt mean all lolitas do.
pic related, this is what lolita started as. i dont see the connection to victorian fashion because it simply wasnt there. it started from goth fashion and evolved from there on. im sorry if lolita offends you because you obviously love victorian fashion very much but many of us have no knowledge or care for victorian times at all in the slightest.

>>9688348
I don't know if you're a seemtress, i take it the mojaority of you aren't, while that specifically isn't a victorian dress, it is victorian tecniques. Pull the skirt out to her feet, remove that oversized ugly bow perhaps replace it with something less tacky, and add some more volume to the dress and bam. Victorian as fuck.

>>9688348
and heres a link to an album full of older images of what the fashion looked like. again i personally dont see much victorian influence outside of very specific classic looks that were intended to have a nostalgic literature theme
>https://imgur.com/a/ij8db

>>9688352
i am a seamstress actually. but imagine now if you dont make those changes. leave the huge hair bows. leave platforms and coffin purses and short skirts and Mana Samas influence. lolita is not victorian just because it has some similarities that you are biased to see.
Does romantic goth piss you off because its too medieval?

>>9688352
also the pictures you keep posting are neither victorian or lolita. theyre cheaply made costumes,
another reason to believe this is
b a i t

>>9688346
Setting aside the bullcrap about legs, shoulders, and collarbones *always* being bare in lolita, no one claimed the style is historically accurate, it doesn't aim to be. It's just inspired by these styles.
Don't worry though I'll be sure to wear a burqa for you next time I step out of the house. :^)

I dreamed that I entered a secret closet child and found all my dream dresses.

To all the gulls living in Japan, what is it like to have a CC near? Do you visit it often?

>>9688342
>>9688352
>Victorian as fuck
Chinese factory monstrosities are Victorian masterpieces now, got it.

>>9688353
The majority of it is though, while a lot of it isn't like pic related(first wave sexual revolution fashion) a lot of that is indeed Victorian style dresses turned mini.
I don't really care what the roots are, the majority of you are wearing ugly Victorian mini dresses and it doesn't look good at all.

>>9688355
Costumes, sure, but they are made to look like victorian dresses. The knowledge for real victorian dresses is practically extinct. Just because its easier to find cheaper ones in google doesn't make my point moot at all. A lot of lolitas are wearing stultified bastardized victorian modeled dresses. This is a fact.

>>9688329
I like it so that's all that counts.
They might be pricey but it's alright to splurge on pretty things from time to time because beauty in itself is priceless (and subjective,which is why i understand if you or some people find it ugly)
1/10 for making me respond tho

>>9688358
You now realize your lolita outfits are comparable to chinese manufactured victorian dresses. Nice. Also dropped the pic for
>>9688359

>>9688359
ok im done with your nonsense
>hurr your fashion intentions dont matter its still slutty victorian bullshit also im a retard, this is a fact

>>9688341
Tuning out while listening and being an ass about is are two different things though. Like I said before, I don't understand anything about IT and he can't expect me to really follow the conversation or take interest in it. But I'm still listening and sometime I tell him that I can't listen any further than that or I'll tune out as well. The partner should understand that as well. But I'm never mean about it, y'know. I never mock it or try to actively avoid the topics. my bf knows that I don't understand and don't care, but he tells me it's still a nice thing to ramble to someone who's an 'outsider' to the topic and that I can give a different perspective, because I only understand the gist of it.
Being indifferent is okay/normal, but disliking? Hm, that's hard.

>>9688356
"inspired"? I think you mean missed the point of them completely. They look like my niece in kindergarden designed a dress. What do I call this? Unicorn core? Its cute for little girls to be into these things, but extreamly disturbing that you, an adult woman, never grew taste.

>>9688365
do you think i should ask him outright if it really bothers him that i wear lolita/ when i talk about it and see from there if its indifference or hatred?
depending on his answer what would you recommend i do?

>>9688359
Here's a genuine question: Why are you in this thread if you hate lolita fashion so much? We get it, you think it's hideous and sexualized and cheap. Cool. Your opinion is, again, irrelevant.

>>9688357
As a tourist, it's like this:
>right cut, wrong colorway
>right colorway, wrong cut
>both are right, sold out
>still cheaper on mercari and fril

I didn't like CC as much as I thought I would.

>>9688342
>>9688352
If you loved Victorian dresses as much as you claim, you would be posting photos of ACTUAL Victorian dresses and not shitty Aliexpress costumes. Fuck off, troll - no one cares whether you think Lolita is a slutty version of Victorian fashion.

>>9688364
>ignoring the majority of lolita dresses aren't victorian style
>implying people can't come in and point out how hideous and bastardized they are

>>9688359
ummm sorry hunty youre wrong, lolita is actually rococo cosplay, not victorian cosplay
pls die thanx

>>9688368
Why not? It fun to see you girls get flustered and pretend to know a damn thing.
>>9688373
Some of it is, some of it is victorian, its basically taking older more elegant trends and making them really ugly and gaudy. Rococo is another modest fashion ruined and completely misunderstood by lolitas.

>>9688372
you Can choose to come here and complain that you hate lolita, but you also Can choose to walk off a short dock. your choice man, but you seem bored and youre kinda annoying coming to a community where everyone but you loves the fashion :)

>>9688375
You can chose to have good taste in clothes, but you never grew up from being five years old.

>>9688374
>rococo
>modest

0/10

>>9688377
Yes. Its modest. Your over the knee platform boots and thigh high stockings coupled with your ugly handbag and hideous pink and blonde wig aren't modest. They are fetish wear on full display.

>>9688376
yep. youre right, now go. be free. know that you made a huuuuge difference in the lives of lolitas. were all burning our AP as we speak. Were going to quit this stupid childish fashion and join a historical fashion troupe. and when we meet you, we all suck your penis. happy now?

Gulls, I'm disappointed.

>>9688374
>Rococo
>Modest fashion
You literally know nothing about art history do you? Just admit that you're here to get a rise out of people. You have no idea what kind of bullshit you're spewing from your mouth.

>>9688367
Talking is always good. Sometimes it can just be a misunderstanding and he is actually indifferent to it.
If he's a really practical person without an interest in his looks, a hobby revolving around fashion (a flashy and girly one at that) might just be something he can't relate to in any kind of way and seems alien to him. And I know some men can sound kinda mean about things they don't understand and don't care about.
I can't give a lot of advice beyond that though. Once I thought my bf hated lolita (because I interpreted a mean comment the wrong way) and I was really depressed until we made up. I didn't know how to deal with that as well.
But I think it might help to find out what exactly bothers him about it. Is is certain prints and colors? (like mine doesn't like pastels) Is he alright with more mature coords? Does he hate the whole girly aesthetic and prefers more sportsy/casual women? Does he think you act like a princess when dressed up and feels bothered by it? (You mentioned he thinks you can't even pick up things.) Or maybe he prefers you talking about your hobby with your friends and talk a little less about it with him?
I think you could make it work depending on what kind of person he is.

>>9688379
Not here to change whats beyond help. Just here to be amused by the fat society of crabs in a bucket that is /cgl/ lose their shit over an opinion that isn't inline with their birdbrained hivemind.

>>9688383
thank you, i really appreciate the thoughtful reply. im going to have a heart to heart with him and see what he thinks. i think this is really good and maybe him and i can come to a new understanding of eachother

>>9688384
hows it feel having such a huge cock in such a small board?

>>9688381
>rococo
>not modest
You don't know anything about art history, do you?

>>9688387
You ladies wouldn't be able to handle my cock, thats tru. ;)

>>9688341
I agree with the other anon. I couldn't date a guy who "barely puts up with" something which is important to me.

My boyfriend doesn't really care about lolita either, he likes how I look in my casual clothes. But he gets hyped when I'm hyped for a new dress. He doesn't sigh heavily and whinge about the impracticality, going out of his way to piss on my parade when I'm happy about something.

It's perfectly possible to have an equally amazing and rewarding relationship with a guy who is also respectful of your choices. And wouldn't require you to segregate your fashion from the rest of your life.

I'm not saying "dump his ass", I don't know him as well as you do, but I do suggest weighing the pros and cons based on the info you've given.

>>9688348
It does though? Even Japanese people who were into it at that time have said it's based on historical european clothing/alice in wonderland

>>9688346
Sounds like that one guy some time ago who wanted to convince people women's hands/wrists were sexual, because he personally had a fetish for that.

>>9688341
Listen, if your boyfriend picked up a fashion trend that looks silly to you would you want him wearing it around you or try to indoctrinate it more into your life? If not understand his perceptive, and dress up privately and with others who accept your hobby. If you are seriously unable to have a relationship with him because of it, the fashion means more to you than your boyfriend does so you are not right for each other.

>>9688395
Because those areas are very common zones men fetishize and practically every man on the planet finds them sexy. I don't think you understand everyone has fetishes, a fetish is what makes you sexually aroused(not to be confused with kink fetishes which are taboo things that make you aroused), women have them too like abs or nice muscle tone.

>>9688397
i mean i guess i dont get what you mean because i personally wouldnt judge him or anyone for liking a hobby or fashion even i if found it not to my taste. i wouldnt say lolita is more important to me than he is but if he tried to stop me from doing it i would leave him, does that make me a truly bad person?

>>9688399
That is because you are a sweety peety, you don't care about these things. Your boyfriend however is the type of person who does. Understand him, or leave him because you BOTH refused to empathize with each other and meet on a middle ground.

>>9688399
Anon is pretty hard on you, you are definitely not a mean person. If your bf simply can't deal with your hobby and is a jerk about it, it's not you who are at fault for "not making the hobby work around your bf". It is simply your decision if you want to put up with him or leave, which is an option as well.

baittake.jpg

>>9688400
Also, I am sorry to play the "guy card" but i can confirm, from my personal perceptive, if I were trying to signal my girlfriend i didn't find her attractive in her current outfit I wouldn't kiss her. This is a bit autistic though instead of just being honest, so your boyfriend certainly should be more honest to you, that is a red flag because it means he is afraid to be honest with you. Confront him. Be upfront, don't beat around the bush or play any hint games, ask him "do you think i look ugly in this". If he isn't honest with words, he will be honest in body language of you catch him off guard..

>>9688403
I'm not trying to be harsh, I am trying to understand the perceptive of the boyfriend so I don't give one sided advice and ignore the other parties feelings of thoughts. If he is a jerk about it, then he is not good at communitcating and you are probably too patient of a person to be with a short fuse, but if he is just being passive and ignoring it, I'd say he's not trying to be a jerk. He's just "tuning it out" like she does when he drulls on about vidya.

>>9688194
lmao dude he's an /out/fag. the fact he constantly praises you in messy attire and ignores you in dolled up attire is clear he has no interest in women who care about their looks, he probably sees it as unnecessarily vain. If neither of you can vibe because of this difference, it will not be a fun relationship and you will have a lot on insecurities with his opinions on you making this toxic.

>>9688399
>i wouldnt say lolita is more important to me than he is but if he tried to stop me from doing it i would leave him, does that make me a truly bad person?
that depends, if he tried to make you stop doing it all together he is being too controlling and is in the wrong. If he wants you to stop wearing it around him or maybe feels you are more interested in lolita than you are with him, try dialing it back a little and see what happens.

So I'm finally starting to expand my wardrobe, and with that I also want to learn more about color combinations. I often see people complain about things like ivory x white, different shades of sax.. But is it bad to mix for example navy and sky blue? Or bright red and bordeaux?

>>9688414
i mean i like camping too, i wish he complimented me even when i do put effort into my look though lol

>>9688422
when youre matching two colours that are the same, like two blues, just make sure they both share the same undertone. dont match an orange red with a purpley bordeaux. other than that theres nothing wrong with mixing in the wa you described. i think the issue with ivory and white comes when someone pairs a very chemical "blue" tone white with an antique ivory. a bone white and ivory would look beautiful together.
same goes for pinks, light and dark pinks together as a whole pink outfit are fine until you start pairing peaches with grey-pink roses

>>9688423
I know that feeling, but as a girl who has a bf not into egl I have been through this, but we connected on practically everything else so its still fine. My only advice to you, as long as you perceive your relationship as healthy otherwise, is to not be bothered by it. He obviously thinks youre beautiful if he's complimenting your bed head, he just has a slightly uh.. different perception of beauty..

Speaking about mismatching whites, can anyone tell me if AP's whites are commonly stark or off white? I mean blouses specifically.

>>9688429
thank you, i think youre quite right. i dont really mind keeping my lolita separate from the relationship as long as im allowed to at least have that

>>9688430
do you mean newer or older stuff? their blouses for sweet, like the cotton ones youll mostly find used are stark. their new chiffon lavender-label stuff is a bit more ivory but still moreso than say, an ivory cream blouse from a classic brand.

>>9688431
Indeed, these moments are when gal pals are great. Its not surprising men aren't into this. A lot of them think "bed head BO fresh out of bed on the way to the bathroom to take a morning piss" aesthetic is super sexy, Lord knows why

>>9688433
>"bed head BO fresh out of bed on the way to the bathroom to take a morning piss" aesthetic

>>9688432
I mean cotton blouses from more recent years, after 2010. Thanks anon, that helps!

>>9688433
>>9688435
lmfao its so true it hurts

>>9688437
Is there a hobo themed lolita niche? make one and maybe your bf will be into it finally.

>>9688436
i think for the most part even ones after 2010 will be a stark cotton white unless theyre specifically like, high neck classicsweet style that ap put out kinda rarely around that time

>>9688438
Isn't that just mori-kei?

>>9688442

>>9688442
I think you've found your bridge to his heart on egl, anon.

What the fuck is this

>>9687604
My bf loves lolita fashion, he thinks it's feminine and cute and he often says that more women should wear it. He was kind of depressed before he got to know me since most women in my country either dress up in T-shirt and jeans or in slutty party dresses / cheap fast fashion and he can't comprehend the laziness that goes with it. He loves the modest and creative aspect about the fashion and he thinks it's kind of dumb how feminism seemingly brought us freedom in how we dress ourselves without being judged but that at the same time casual and androgynous fashion seem to be the new standard and as soon as you wear for example a knee-long dress you are stopped by strangers on the street asking you if you attend a wedding or something because dressing up feminine makes you really stand out as if it is not something normal (at least in my country). I feel like many women would love to dress up cute and feminine, but societal expectations of being tough and having to measure up with men in the workforce kind of stop them from doing so.

He loves most of my dresses, it doesn't matter if sweet, gothic or classic. The only thing that annoys him is when I ask him to take pictures of me and he doesn't have the patience to take more like 2-3 (whereas I prefer something around 20 to have a good selection since half of them will be blurry, me having closed eyes etc.) and god forbid if I ask him to take multiple detail shots lol. But it's kind of understandable, if I'd be in his position I'd find it a bit ridiculous, as well.

>>9688456
baby core

>>9688344
China's version of obesity is nowhere near the same as American versions of obesity. And looking at the results of the survey, it's showing. More than 50% of each category is all on the lower end of measurements.

>>9688194
>Beards

Absolutely disgusting, dump him and find someone cute who likes lolita

>>9688457
ngl your boyfriend sounds like a pretentious tool.

>>9688456
let me cord that shit awwwww yeah i call it, "Going Goo Goo Gaa Gaa for You"

>>9688482
>he supports feminism
More like a fucking faggot.

Wow this thread certainly has changed since I last stepped in.

Moitie released a sizing survey on Facebook through Google Forms. You'll have to be logged in to your Google account to submit the survey.

>>9688511

>>9688512
You know people are going to lie

>>9688511
What do they mean by wider shoulders?

>>9688482
It is funny how cgl judges almost all the bfs described ITT as negative, even those who are supportive and genuine. I hope that no one seriously takes relationship advice from you gulls.

>>9688493
>what is reading comrehension
He is actually very much against modern feminism (mostly the 3rd wave, and he also finds cons about the 2nd wave and its hippie culture) that is the reason why he regards some changes that feminists introduced in our culture with a critical eye. That is pretty much the opposite of a faggot or SJW or whatever you want to call it.

>>9687604

> The question:
He likes dark colors, enjoys it a lot.
But he doesn't like sweet or pastels, not at all. Hates pink, hates too much frill and princess styles. AP sweet is his nemesis
However, he respects my right to wear what I like, and for him he just explains that if he was a Lolita, it wouldn't be his style.
If we go out, I can wear whatever I want, he would respect it.

The word is respect.

That said, this reminds me a video by Misako Aoki un which she recommends wearing dark colors for when going out in a date, and a completely different style for when going out with Lolita friends. The later, the sky is the limit. Everyone can nerd out in Frills.

>>9688528
That's capitalism though, we all need to work now and most of us have to fit into a masculine environment to be successful. It's also just laziness not to dress up and most lolitas active in my comm look like that when it's not a meet-up day.

>>9688547
Laziness or lack of time, bad weather and life style.
You wouldn't want to wear frills on a rainy day, cycling to work/school in the mud. Then changing clothes to work in a place that requires hand work, mechanical workshops, hospitals, laboratories, food industry.
Or an office job.
I wear some dresses to my office, but only when I take the subway. Not when I have to take dirty buses, or go walking/cycling.

I find it funny how gulls easily judge people for dressing lazy in their daily life, while Lolitas themselves are victims of such shallow criticism all the time

>>9688551
I don't know why you are getting so defensive, it's fine to be lazy when you have to go to work in the morning and dressing like everyone else at work so you don't miss opportunities

>>9688551
>You wouldn't want to wear frills on a rainy day,
Yes I do, the only reason I don't wear lolita every day is work

>>9688528
I don't get why people feel the need to talk about their boyfriends anyway, who cares if he likes/dislikes jfashion or whatever. This thread isn't about relationships

>>9688519
My thoughts exactly. I wrote in the comments section to please keep making their size 2. It fits me perfectly, and I'd be so sad to see another brand get too big. Like by all means, include a larger size, but don't take this from us!

>>9688561
Someone asked about it and for many people it’s a pretty big deal whether their SO appreciate their look or not.

>>9688560


This part of their comment kinda confused me, too, but then I thought if I *had* to go out in the rain with a shitton of errands to run and stuff to get done, then I wouldn't wear lolita, as it'd be impossible to keep my entire skirt fully out of the rain.

If I didn't have any obligations to leave the house, a rainy day is perfect for snuggling up to a cup of hot cocoa fully decked out in frills though.

>>9688568
I wear stuff that can get wet and I have a waterproof cape

>>9688562
I said the same, but about size 1

>>9688574
>>9688562
Don't they only have one size these days?

I live in a very conservative area and just got into settled into my career (involving children, pls no bully)
And I terrified of running into parents or coworkers while I'm out in lolita. The community/city I work in is fairly small and word travels fast.
If I get caught being interested in something called "lolita" while working with kids, it very well could mean I lose my job. Especially because I wear sweet 90% of the time.

Is there a cute way to obscure my face while I'm in town? I thought about those medical masks but the ones I found on eBay and etsy are just so gaudy.

>>9688579

>>9688579
Wearing a realistic wig will probably help hide your identity. You could also try to do your make up very differently and try circle lenses. Maybe wear scarves if it's cold enough.

You cold also try to make sure you don't wear anything you wear normally with lolita. For example if you have a unique purse you use to work but also wear with lolita, if people don't recognize your face immediately they might recognize your purse and make the connection.

>>9688579
I'd like to know how you could possibly be fired for lolita. I've worked as a teacher in two very rural locations (villages of 1-2k people) and worn lolita around town with no negative repercussions other than the usual stares.

>>9688048

Welp. Guess that answers that, then. Shame, last time I went my hotel was right on Bastille and I could just walk there.

fat people are making weibo accounts so they can vote on the Chinese Moitie survey too

>>9688651
Sauce?

>>9688589
I had a friend who worked in a school for several years and once they found out she wore lolita, they decided to nonrenew her contract.
Again, we aren't living in the heart of Cali, we are in a super super conservative town where jfash is practically nonexiatent

>>9688656
someone from my comm posted about it on her own facebook, so I don't want to share it here. but the post already has a lot of likes and some people asking how to do it. I don't know what to do about it, just came here to complain.

>get second hand dress delivered yesterday
>its gorgeous in person
>try it on
>massive boobloaf

Why is loving Innocent World so hard? I'm under the measurements, why is this happened?

>>9688658
They made an English one anyways. Stop complaining and just fill it out.

>>9688673
I know your feel, anon. IW is my favourite brand and I love so many of their dresses, but the bodices are so unflattering on people with boobs and I can't keep turning jsks into skirts.

>>9688677
At least we can do cardigans, blazers, and boleros in the winter, but the bodice detailing is often so pretty....

>>9688674
that's the point, they know there is an english one but they are making weibo accounts to get more votes on the chinese survey

>>9688677
why don't you just buy the skirts? they're cheaper too

>>9688687
Lolita skirts look like trash on me, personally. I don't know what it is, but the waistband and proportions always manage to make me look even shorter and stumpier than I am.

>>9688687
Sometimes I want to wear something besides skirts.

>>9688693
oh I just thought it was weird to turn jsks into skirts

>>9688695
>>9688693
are neither of you >>9688677? if you don't want to wear skirts okay, but why turn jsks into skirts instead of buying the skirt is my question

>>9688657
Lol I live in the rural midwest, you think there is jfashion here? A majority of the people around me wear their deer hunting garb, pajamas, and jeans/hoodies.
There's no need for anyone to know what you're wearing is "lolita," if that's such a big concern for you. Just say it's a Japanese or Asian street style if someone asks.
While both suck, being fired and not having your contract renewed are also two different things. Also, this is why unions and employee rights other than just protected classes should be a thing.

>>9688579
I used to work and live in small villages and I never had bad experiences with small town folks. They are usually curious and approach you and ask you what your outfit is about, that's it. It's better to open up now instead of living a lie for the upcoming years if there is so much potential of confrontation. If you are able to express yourself and you have a good relation with your co-workers they will understand it. Also if you meet someone you know and you are scared of being branded as a pedophile for describing your way of dressing with the word lolita, just don't refer to it as lolita. Call it Japanese street fashion or something. Problem solved.

>>9688699
It could be the case that they had already bought the JSK and upon donning it realized how unflattering it was.

I wonder what (if any) kind of modifications can be done to IW bodices to make them more flattering for larger cup sizes?

>>9688161
>>9688197
thanks anons! I'm new to lolita and basically just lurk a lot. They have some nice cheap stuff on there (that aren't replicas) so it might be a better way than bodyline to get into the fashion.

>>9688723
Maybe try some of these tips? >>9664228

>>9688723
Are you asking how they could be constructed differently or how you could fix one that already exists?

>>9688723
Adding some proper fucking darts or princess seams would work for starters. The IW JSKs I've owned have all had really simple, tube-like bodices.

>>9688699
The skirts aren't always as detailed/designed as nicely as the JSKs/OPs either. This goes for any given brand - depending on the release, skirts can come across as afterthoughts, rather than completely thought out designs in and of themselves. And I agree with the anon quoted below, it could just be easier to work with what's already on hand rather than selling and chasing down a different item.

>>9688723
I think that would depend on how much material is available to work with. Princess seams and darts are the basic methods for adding room to a top for the bust. A lot of IW bodices would likely need to be completely reworked to change it from a tube to either of those options.

>>9688709
>getting this buttmangled over someone trying to be cautious

Don't know if this is the right place for this or not but what would generally be considered to be the most important first purchase when starting Lolita?

>>9688579
I've seen this exact post in the general before...it's weirding me out. you won't get fired. sweet is fine. some of the OTT-era coords from Japanese lolitas are good inspo, because they made the coords alternative and detailed enough to read as an obviously alt fashion.
my advice is either wear casual, mature or classic-sweet, or in-your-face sweet. do your best to express something in your coords, so it seems nothing like a fetish costume.

>>9688755
A good petticoat, most likely. This is something you do once you decide what style you want to wear, obviously, because different dresses need different petticoats.

>>9688755
Seconding a petticoat. Most main pieces look much better with a petticoat under them. It really elevates your whole coord if you have a good one.

>>9688755
a good blouse. blouses are important because you can wear them with many different main pieces. know your measurements and start with brand. it's very hard to recognize quality when you're just starting.

>>9688456
If there wasn't AP marked on it I could have sworn it was Taobao. It's so tacky and cheap.
Wtf is going on with AP? They're getting awful since some years now

>>9688731
How to fix one that already exists, since I doubt the former will ever happen.I'm no seamstress but I figured it would be something along the lines of what >>9688738 and >>9688741 suggested in regards to darts/princess seams.

>>9688730
I've found tying the straps like a halter works for me (and also helps the bodice sit at my waist).

>>9688489
>reaching

>>9688771
>doesn't realize this is multiple pieces put together
these newfags trying to look cool by shitting on AP claiming its like taobao are tiring.

>>9688770
Posting this in this thread as I was told to:

Hey gulls, I'm new to the lolita scene and accidentally bid on something on LaceMarket from a seller who is on the blacklist (I only checked the blacklist after the bidding because I had assumed that people that were banned would not be allowed to post sales). The seller in question is "lolifairy" and she is now messaging me repeatedly trying to get my PayPal information.

I have sent LaceMarket support 3 emails about the matter all of which they have not responded to. lolifairy is now threatening to contact support regarding the matter and I really don't want negative feedback on my account considering I just started buying lolita.

Is this screenshot false? I don't know why she would be listed if not banned? I already messaged her about it, but I'm still worried about negative feedback. What to do?

>>9688745
I think a lot of gulls are just sick of people acting like it's some big, bad thing that people should be ashamed of or hide. There's no reason to throw the fashion in people's faces, but there's also no need to hide it, like >>9688756 said.

>>9688790
Tell her she's on the blacklist, so you're not at fault. Her current account will probably be deleted/locked, too. Creating new accounts because you were banned isn't okay.

>>9688489
I used to hate AP but now I love it. Have I developed shit taste?

>>9688793
I messaged her telling her I'm sorry for not responding to her messages, but that support isn't contacting me regarding her being banned. Should I just continue to tell her that I can't deal with her because she's on there? I asked her to explain herself in my message as well.

>>9688790
Not a fake screenshot but she clearly isn’t banned??? Idk the other accounts on that list say banned when you click but she has active listings.

Try lm on fb and see if they respond.

>>9688786
I've been in the fashion since aI decade. Try again.
My corneas work well enough to see that. Doesnt make it any less terrible.
Sorry for vryour shit taste I guess

>>9688795
Yes

>>9688798
Yeah, that's why I'm really confused. Pretty weird interaction for my first time using LaceMarket.

Where do I find LaceMarket on Facebook? I haven't used Facebook in a really long time so I'm not really familiar with it at all.

>>9688786
It's multiple pieces that all look cheap put together. I don't see how that changes anything.

>>9688802
>can't spell
>I-I've been in this fashion 5eva
>s-sorry for your shit taste

Not once did I say I liked it. It's like you tried your best to combine all the biggest red flags for a newfag into one post.

I don't like it but this
>XDDD AP is teh taobao
Shit is stupid and anyone who's been in the fashion for a longer amount of time could tell you why it's not true. Doesn't mean that some of the new releases aren't terrible, because they are, but comparing AP to taobao is a newfag meme.

>>9688809
>y-yu cant spell xD
Not my main language and it has nothing to do with the main argument but ok. Not even trying to come off like that, you're the one being bootybothered over this.
Honestly, the quality has gone downhill especially compared to when I first started. That and the prints are pretty sub par, don't deny it.

>>9688723
try and lenghten the shoulder straps?

>>9688786
nayrt but it looks cheap and shitty anyway

>>9688818
>quality has gone down hill

The biggest offender of this is AaTP and baby. I haven't noticed a big enough decline in AP to warrant this
>XD taobao
Shitposting that a few people keep sperging out about.

I actually really like some of the more recent prints. Milky pony is shit though, I'll give you that.

>>9688821
Tbh both did. Which saddens me because I loved Baby (and AP) back in 2008-2009,but ever since, circa 2013-2014 I feel like it got progressively worse

>>9688829
I'm not denying an over all decline but it's very strange to me that the loudest people, at least on /cgl/ complain more about AP and less about the two companies that are drastically worse(especially fucking AaTP)

>>9688820
>try and lenghten the shoulder straps?

That's what I'd like to do, ideally. Wish I'd bought some strap extenders from TrulyDarling before she closed up shop.

>>9688795
that lace tho
this would never flatter me so trying not to look at it too much
>>9688798
>>9688806
I wonder if the fact that LM switched to the new website, there's some loophole that doesn't insta-ban old known scammers. just wait for the mods

>>9688831
>two companies
Are AaTP and Baby separate companies?

>>9688847
Nah, separate divisions/lines of the same company.

>>9688831
I've seen a pretty even amount of beating on both AP and Baby/AatP. I stick to harping on specific releases because that's far easier to prove than generalizing the current state of the brands.

Anon archiving Daily Lolita and EGL here!
What exactly should I archive on EGL? I'm at loss. I'll be done saving all the DL pics from 2007 tomorrow on a special pinterest account. I didn't save some of them because they were ita/not lolita or barely. That or the pic was super tiny/you could barely see the outfit itself

I'm buttmad at photobucket though. Even by installing the special extension I can't retrieve a part of them. I regret not starting earlier this year. I get kinda frustrated thinking of all the good pics gone because of the image hosting services being dead,gone,cleaned,...

>>9688845
>>9688798
>>9688793

Hey anons, she messaged me back regarding the matter and directed me to look at her feedback. It turns out that due to a severe personal emergency she missed out on shipping 4-5 orders, and as such was banned as the buyers left negative feedback. LaceMarket then put her on probation and she is now able to sell items again, hence why her account doesn't show the "banned" icon and she has active listings. She said she would work with LaceMarket to get herself taken off of the blacklist as it clearly caused troubles with me (probably moreso because I'm new to lolita and had no idea what was going on). I feel absolutely horrible for ignoring her up until this point. Thanks for the advice anyways!

>>9688831
baby and aatp are not that bad, just inconsistent. ap is the most popular brand so people talk about it more.

new thread >>9688889

>>9688832
If you're crafty, have a sewing machine, or know someone with a sewing machine, you can make your own extenders quite easily. Fabric can be very cheap, all you need is a small piece to make a long rectangle. Then either make a buttonhole by hand or by machine, sew on a button, and you're set!

>>9688481
hes my beard, he covers for my lesbianism

>>9688755
petticoat. if you get a whole coord before a petti youll be too tempted to go without it lol

>>9688861
if you can screenshot important discussions wed all appreciate that as well! im a biased oldschooler so i want to hold on to any shred of old discussion and culture in the fashion

>>9688861
discussions about new brand releases/fabrics/substyles/etc (''is this lolita?'') and forever relevant drama like the meta nazi uniform release and paypal taking money from charity

>>9688511
Link? I don't have fb and Google takes me to their page with posts dated 2009.

>>9688359
Actually no,
Many dresses from the Victorian era (at least for upper class women were expensive resulting in them being cared for very, very well when they were being worn. On our end, if dried plants from the 1700's,swatches of wallpaper from the1800's can last until now with proper care and maintenance, I would assume dresses can too. Not to mention fabrics and clothing from before the Victorian have been able to survive.Maybe not in "mint" condition but, they are good enough to tell you what it is.(Working as curator, I have to say the amount of effort the people behind the scenes are unbelievable. Temperature, humidity , pests, handling,sunlight, oils from hands are taken into account. A lot of the stuff you see on the floor 9/10 are not real,this is too protect them)Some times parts have been replaced.
Even some things not preserved well can be restored (kind of)).
pic related

>>9688378
I'm curious to hear what you think of 1920's-1950's attire.

>>9689407
Many Victorian Era dresses from the middle 1800's were destroyed by having the bodices separated from the skirts. The large skirts were made into new dresses with a smaller silhouette. Many bodices remain without skirts.

>>9688795
No. I love AP also.