/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Is it weird that I would want to be decently underweight to wear this fashion? It think it would drive the point home even harder.

>>8714766

>>8714747
Does anyone know where to find a translated version of the Menhera-chan webcomic? I've spent hours trying to find it.

>>8714771

>>8714766
Yeah, too bad this style looks like a fatty magnet

>>8714774
digging this piercing and collar combo

>>8714766
I kinda see where you're going with that but I don't necessarily agree

>>8714773
i don't think it's been translated yet, unfortunately

>>8714773
This question has come up a few times, I don't think there is one. I offered to translate in the fairy-kei thread, but I can't typeset or whatever so I wouldn't do it without a group + there's a chapter of the comic that only exists in printed form and I don't know if it'd be possible to ever locate scans of that.

>>8714776
Lol I was thinking the same thing. I hope it doesn't get too popular because tumblr would be all over it. I guess if you're ridiculously obese then it might work in the same way, as your body would be extremely ill and in pain. Obese menhera motifs should include piles of fries, Walmart receipts, and the phrase "but my genetics".

Maybe that's a little mean of me to say.

>>8714786
>>8714792
That's really sad. It seems really good and I can't get behind a series I haven't read.

I have a feeling when tumblr gets it, it's going to take on a dirtier aspect with cheese encrusted MLP tees.

People are already starting to whine about how it glorifies mental illnesses...

>>8714802
>>8714797

i don't think Tumblr will ever really latch onto menhera, actually. from what i've seen, a lot of people are ~offended~ by it because they think it trivializes mental illness or whatever, but as someone who's actually mentally ill i think it's a really fascinating fashion subset that i can identify with to an extent.

>>8714815
Funny, I just responded to someone who I follow who said the same thing.


I'm actually mentally ill, and while I'm not sure if I'd wear the fashion out, it's definitely cool to me and from what I've seen, it's mainly mentally ill girls wearing/creating stuff for it.

>>8714822
Well its definitely true. People in the fairy kei community are kind of up in arms about it more or less, then again the fairy kei community is pretty explicitly tumblr-focused community wise, if you're picking up what I'm putting down.

>>8714815
>it glorifies mental illnesses
Damn, you'd think tumblr would be all over this with that kind of aesthetic.

>>8714815
Fuck them. I agree with >>8714817 , I'm also mentally ill and I think it's a really great way to come to terms with my mental illness. If I can be a bit more loving towards my mental illness through something I actually love (fashion) then I'm happy to have it.

>>8714828
Tumblr glorifies mental illnesses but hates anything else that does.

Where can I cop this kind of stuff? From a source or resellers?

So far only found this shop on taobao with creepy items that could work.
https://sydneyhuo.world.taobao.com/search.htm?spm=a312a.7728556.0.0.YUfb8m&search=y

>>8714830
I hate how many people on tumblr are faking their shit and then being super uptight about it for their image. Ruining everything.

>>8714833

>>8714838

>>8714817
>>8714822
>>8714829
To me, something like this actually helps with healing. Not covering up self harm scars helped me to stop doing it. I'm a lot more open about it if someone asks though than a lot of people are. I can people interpreting it as the new emo though and that the fashion is the cause of the mental illness rather than a way to cope with it.

>>8714843
I love darkness and glitter. Trashy.

>>8714844
Sorry. Borked the last bit there. I can see people assuming that the fashion is causing people to pretend to be mentally ill rather than actually having an issue and using the fashion to cope.

I love the menhera style, it's super cute and it's nice that it's dedicated to girls with more of a normal sized body (wtf they're not chubby at all, go back on lolcow). What annoys me is first that the clothes would be way too tiny, at least if I'd buy Japanese originals for exampke the tights and ts would be way too short and second if it'd get popular with tumblr ... how many would know what menhera means? (How many know what otaku means lmao)

>>8714844
> interpreting it as the new emo though and that the fashion is the cause of the mental illness rather than a way to cope with it

And I'm sure we'll get a bunch of tumblrinas pushing that and outright ignoring anybody who says otherwise.

I deal with so much embarrassment when it comes to my mental illness. I feel like two completely people when I view my thoughts and actions when I'm breaking down versus when I'm calm. Personally, this fashion helps me with the embarrassment as it's a way for my to embrace it. I want to say that it helps me celebrate it, but I'm not quite sure that's the proper word. I guess something about this just helps me feel okay about that aspect of myself for once.

>>8714747
What does the kanji on her eye patch say?

>>8714802
If you like the design, I think it's okay to get behind the character goods and overall aesthetic without having read it yourself. I don't mean this as an insult to the series or its creator, but it struck me as kind of shallow when I read it; the magical girl pastiche didn't leave a lot of room for character development for me. It is still a fun read, though.

>>8714862
illness/disease

>>8714817
Same. I mean yeah, it does trivialize it somewhat, but at least to me it honestly helps to trivialize it a little. Turning it into something sexy or funny seems to mitigate some of the pain associated with feeling "other". Plus, given how often mental illness seems to be present in kawaii culture, it seems like a great way to highlight the depth and elements of deceit in what looks like a cutesy shallow culture.

so menhera is often blended with fairy kei, but i feel like it could also work well with cpk because of the whole red-on-white and crosses (religious or otherwise) theme as well as the dreamy factor. it would be nice to see more coords that combine the two.

on an unrelated note, anyone know of any etsy stores that sell menhera accessories? (more on the medical side than ero)

>>8714844
straight up agree. i have a myriad of mental illness plus was sexually abused as a kid so like... to be honest wearing these super cutesy images of girls in bondage and bandaids makes me feel better. i constantly deal with the idea of being a "bad survivor" for the csa shit so all this super sexualized shit makes me feel better about it.

i dont have a lotta time to dress up because of how my job is but id love to put together some outfits for special occaisons. any western sellers??

http://shop.s-marble.net/ca1/68/p-r1-s/ I might splurge on a shopping service to get this. I'd love http://shop.s-marble.net/ca1/33/p-r9-s/ this but... that is. not something i could wear outside. or post pictures of.

>>8714774
Sauce?

So I kinda like the style, but I'm wondering where you could wear the more sexualized clothes. I mean, I wouldn't want to go out in public with a girl in bondage on my shirt.

I like this, but I could never wear it due to my profession. I see nothing wrong with it from a cultural standpoint either. Therapy and mental ilness aren't really talked about and people are generally vilified in Japan if they have these debilitations. If this somehow can even create the smallest of dialogue or change I'm all for it.

>>8714815
>>8714817
Ah Tumblr, how hypocritical of them from the website that's vast majority of people are self-diagnosed from WebMD.

I have no real images to add but I think multi-colored wigs would look good with this fashion.

just a casual admirer of the fashion, so apologies if I miss the mark on some of these, but some links from village vanguard (will require a proxy to buy, as they don't accept overseas credit cards, and you can of course try looking these brands up elsewhere)

http://vvstore.jp/i/vv_000000000085182/ (and everything else by this brand)
http://vvstore.jp/i/vv_000000000089622/
http://vvstore.jp/i/vv_000000000079010/
http://vvstore.jp/i/vv_000000000085241/
http://vvstore.jp/feature/detail/4997/

>>8714982
I think these are by the same creator, but that particular style sold out
http://vvstore.jp/feature/detail/5353/

>>8714829
sauce on these?

how would you guys do your makeup with this style? i was thinking alot of red eye shadow/blush to create that odd sick and unhealthy look? maybe glitter around the eyes too?

>>8715064
All I can think of.

I ordered pic related (got two actually) and I didn't even know there was a style that used this sort of imagery aside from Creepy Cute.. which I guess isn't far off from Menhera since it blends kawaii with more unsettling imagery, whether it's grotesque or just illness based.

>>8715269
sauce?

>>8715269
Sauce?

>>8715271
>>8715275
Rating is kinda low on the shop but since it was on sale I figured I had nothing to lose.
>http://world.taobao.com/item/523910664183.htm?fromSite=main

Now I just need an outfit to go with this.

>>8715064
I have related questions. what if you already look sick or tired? I'm talking about natural eye bags, dark circles, red nose, red eyes and such.

>>8714817
>>8714830
You guys keep reassuring yourself that tumblr isn't going to join this little club, but that's really not the case.

Tumblr loves nymphet fashion and elfgutz, despite how the SJW side is also against those things. Pale 'daddy fucked me' graphics get thousands of reblogs from highschoolers so they can put them next to Saccastry drawings for maximum aesthetic.
Menhera is so up tumblr's edgy alley, expect thousands of teenage girls to be self harming in shitty bodyline seifukus and posting it in the tags.

I love Menhera, I'm so in to it, but it's going to be a fucking trainwreck.

>>8714747

Just finished a big menhera shopping spree and dumping some links:

http://lolitas.theshop.jp/ (never in stock)
http://picogram.thebase.in/
https://mi-te-yo.booth.pm/
https://twitter.com/NemutaiCompany
http://predatorrat.com/
http://shop.s-marble.net/
http://www.studio-8-style.com/shop/ (Kuua's own brand)
http://menherabusu.thebase.in/
http://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/nemutai-company/
http://www.ttrinity.jp/shop/ateliermu/brand/8568
http://www.ttrinity.jp/shop/rorororomipop/

>>8715278
what does that say? it just looks like gibberish to me, but my Japanese is limited. I ran it through a translator and didn't get anything concrete.

>>8715466
>http://www.studio-8-style.com/shop/
autoplay. wow.

>>8715412
Isn't elfgutz gutterface? Lol.
Tumblr-focused is kind of on the fence about nymphet fashion and a lot of people in jfashion aren't s big fan of the word or nymphets themselves.

this is so trashy and ugly

it's still not acceptable to shit yourself in public, it could even be called a taboo. perhaps kuua oyasumi could challenge this taboo with a few scat related prints

>>8715361
Do regular foundation and concealer but don't cover your dark circles perhaps.

>>8715734
>>8715734
cool

>>8715752
>>8715734
Keep going strong, you guys! Veteran Uchuu-kei threader here. They're already starting to invade.

>>8715497
Your guess is as good as mine, anon. I don't know Japanese past 'Kyoto' and 'Tokyo'.

>>8715497
>>8715862
To my understanding, it's a Japanese transliteration of a Chinese phrase (什么鬼), not a real Japanese word.

>>8715873
>什么鬼
>What the hell
I can dig it.

>>8715728
>a lot of people in jfashion aren't s big fan of r nymphet
That's kind of the point I'm making though, cgl tends to hate the nymphet section of tumblr too, and menhera is going to draw them in like honey.

It feels like this sort of aesthetic was used by Junko Mizuno in the 90s with Pure Trance.

Predator Rat carries some socks that would really work for it, especially some of the collabs. Qiss Qill, Nemutai, and Itazura also sometimes carry stuff that would fit.

im mentally ill myself and i'm already sick of those that aggressively insist that its subversive counter culture. get over yourselves.

just cut the shit and wear your cum covered child brooch.

>>8715412
agreed.

>>8715811
Maximum cringe

>>8715873
>>8715880
thank you both! I knew something was weird about it.

>>8714838
Those little pills really remind me of the new Sugarpill lipstick that's coming out, it's casing/bullet kinda fits the look that's going on here. Pic related

>>8715907
>feels like this sort of aesthetic was used by Junko Mizuno in the 90s
It's nothing new, it's just repackaged with pastels by oyasumi

>>8716035

>>8716001
when is this going to be released?

>>8716052
Jan 2016! I love sugarpill and am really excited for these

>>8716042
i love saccstry. maybe some of her shirts could work with this now that i think about it.

I really like this style but some stuff extreme sexualisation, bondage, ballgags as chokers make me feel a bit uneasy, i'm not a prude or whatever it's just i would never wear something similar nor in public nor in pics online. Also, thinking about how tumblr would ruin the style, cringeworthy stuff will come and such... it would lose it's appeal. I'm also someone that had mental issues (PTSD, mild depression) caused by ill people as well i feel also weird to celebrate mental illness and identify with them instead to cope with it and get better. I started to feel better from my anxiety when i stopped to identify with it and try to find some strength.
Sorry if i would offend someone, the style is pretty cute and i would wear it without identify any mental condition to it, just cause it's very cute and creepy.
>>8715907
I really love this!

>>8716095
>I started to feel better from my anxiety when i stopped to identify with it
I'm the same as you anon, sort of. I like menhera because I'm edgy trash, but actually saying 'I wear this style because I have mental illness and that's cool' feels tacky and gross.
I do have some stuff going on but I don't think of myself as mentally ill, thinking that way seems too much like making a special club and we all know that hinders recovery.

Back on topic, how fast do we think this fashion will burn out, since CPK and dollykei already did?

>>8716151
dont talk about cult party dying im still sad about that

>>8716052
I premering at IMATS sydney but what anon said >>8716084

>>8714817
>because they think it trivializes mental illness
Tumblrfucks brag about their disabilities and illnesses by shoving it right on their about me's. The more you have, the more special you are.

This would literally be the definition of tumblr if they actually put sources on the posts they reblog containing images of these clothing pieces.

ITT: edgelords and ladies

>>8716151
Me too even if i don't admit i love edgy kawaii stuff, especially the pills, syringes... yes i love medical/nurse themes!I had experience with people that identified with mental illnesses instead of coping, they never got better and they screamed entitlement like tumblrinas or little kids. "Special clubs" won't help, the mental illness start to inglobate you instead of getting out.
Btw, i don't think dolly and cpk died out, they are not popular also who cares, wear the style you love!
I want also a comeback of guro lolita that isn't just fake blood but also zombie, nurse or other themes. Pic related is a bow from Black and Bunny (Etsy).

So it's pastel goth with syringes and fake blood instead of bats and sparkles.

>>8716207
More of a focus on pills and nooses and sexual themes than syringes and fake blood imo.
I don't think I've seen menhera with fake blood.

>>8714831
Everytime I find brands, I put them under http://fuckyeahmenhera.tumblr.com/brands
In general it is hard to find this kind of stuff unless you use "medical term+clothing piece" in japanese. In case of taobao you can find things once a while with "soft sister", The Pink Savior and Elfe In Our House also have matching pieces sometimes.

>>8714844
>I can people interpreting it as the new emo though
Actually is:
http://tokyogirlsupdate.com/japanese-emo-fashion-20150852955.html
They call it Yami here but that and Itai aren't commonly used as they are normal words too with a different meaning that has nothing to do with menhera.

Some other kind of article about it directly in japanese:
http://charismatalk.jp/articles/GIljXlhv

>>8716042
>using Moira-chan es example for old
I hope you know that she is one of the persons behind two menhera brands (PredatorRat and Marble).

>>8716207
By your logic, guro nurse lolita is pastel goth too.

>>8716035
It wasn't invented by Oyasumi, just saying. The term itself is recent but it is used for Junko Mizuno's works too, it's only that there was no proper term before as gurokawa itself includes spooky halloween-like things too.

Actually, Junko is one of her favorite artists and she often draws non-pastel pieces too and menhera isn't limited to pastels either, it only makes it simpler to make guro appear cute.

>>8716042
Pretty much this.
The whole thing has been around for ages, specially in the babyart community. I'm glad there's a name for it now I suppose.

>>8715907
I wish Junko was popular again, when you search her name in japanese these days you hardly find anything besides the oldies while you would expect that there would be at least some shirt prints with her art.

Yurie Sekiya / Hanamizz makes illustrations for menhera goods too.

posting everything in my menhera folder so far!

>>8716842

>>8716842
>>8716845
Gtfo please.

>>8714817
I'm mentally ill and can kind of understand why people dislike it, but I just think it's cute. I feel like people are upset because it's sort of playing with the crazy psycho stereotype. Still, I really like it.

>>8715503
Holy shit, that song.
>https://www.youtube.com/embed/7Nc_79Qb_cM

>>8715503
Holy shit, that song. Here's the video it's from, is it an explanation of the shop..?
https://www.youtube.com/embed/7Nc_79Qb_cM

>>8716052
Dammit I miss Mio. I'm still so sad she left.

>>8716396
I did actually know she had modelled for predator rat, it kind of just hammers home that nothing is new
She ages too well, which is handy since I think menhera loses it's effect on someone with an old face

>>8716424
It's weird that there needed to be a new term really, but I'm glad Mizuno isn't being left totally behind

>>8716445
Yeah, I guess babyart didn't work as name in the end. I think Trevor was being a big of a meglomaniac and trying to claim a big subculture with that.

>>8717046
Why a new term? There was never an own term for mental health/medication related stuff, her work got called "gothic kawaii" in 90's-00's and that's quite...off, as gore+violence=/=gothic, in general it falls under the big gurokawa category just like Gloomy Bear.

>>8716379

love your blog! You're doing gods work

When I first saw the title of this thread I didn't know it was about fashion. I actually thought it was about well menhera lol cool that menhera is also a fashion...which I like

>>8717085
Thanks, I actually wanted to start a menhera blog when I first discovered it but didn't because of SJW going apeshit (still do but it isn't as bad).

In case somebody is interested into how "we" found out about it and it's name (the later took ages):
We follow quite a bunch of japanese artists, mainly those who focus on minimalistic girly guro art. But this kind of guro lolita outfit design stuck a bit with us in 2013, it's be the artist who also is in charge of Nemutai Company. A lot of those artists would sell some of their goods in Tenten (I mentioned that store in the Fairy Kei thread) and at that time, they had their collab with Kuua in 2014for those lace shirts and accessories with gore+fetish art by her and around the same time, the Menhera-chan webcomic spread like fire and that's when it went viral on some side of the JP Twitter jfashion community. This year, popular brands like Galaxxxy, Listen Flavor and Park Harajuku would collab with Menhera-chan but would start to take elements of it for their general fashion (for example: see Listen Flavor's collections for this year), that's when some articles about "menhera goods" would pop up (also posted here).

Sorry if my english may be shit, being ESL and all that.

>>8717095
It kind of contributed to it:
http://www.park-harajuku.com/menherachan/

>>8717135
Yeah I thought of menhera as in メンヘラ as in prostitution and then this thread tought me it's a fashion

>>8717139
メンヘラ is the right term but it never had anything to do with prostitution? It's only "mental healther" in short engrish, originally the nickname given to the user's of 2ch's mental health board who have the stereotype of being females with insecure romantic attachments.

http://charismatalk.jp/articles/GIljXlhv

>>8714902
cdjapan carries Listen Flavor which has some cute menhera tops right now, and I'm pretty sure you don't need a shopping service

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/products?q=LISTEN+FLAVOR

>>8717155
Oh really I only know it from Japanese prostitutes using it. As the term of men healer

>>8715728
Nah, Gutterface is Kazkai/Joji

They're both shit bjd people, though.

I was wondering, is this just referred to Menhera or is it Menhera-kei?

>>8717476
It probably doesn't matter in English. In Japanese, both refer to the mentally ill and the state of being such, and the term itself can often be highly pejorative, which is part of why this whole subculture is kind of a reclamation thing. I think something like "menhera-kei fashion" is probably best for clarity.

Starting a photo dump!

>>8717634

>>8717636

>>8717637
Menhera-chan themed nails.

>>8717640
https://park-harajuku.stores.jp/items/557a7998391bb38fcc0009c9

>>8717642

>>8717645

>>8717648
Done.

>>8717166
I'm really surprised that a lot of /cgl/ doesn't seem to know about CDJapan. I've used them since I was a teenager and they ship right to the US and have an entire English site. They're incredibly US-friendly and have added more brands over the year, and stock Jpop/jrock/kpop merchandise.

I'm especially surprised because they've been an official carrier of Moi-meme-Moitie for fuckin' yeaaaaaars.

>>8714817
Straight from the tumblr menhera tag.

>>8717658
I use them for books/music and know about their fashion selection, but to be fair, they don't do a great job of marketing that angle. They're probably in need of a name change if they want to attract serious J-fashion customers.

>>8717659
>1 note
oh look it's fucking nothing

>>8717476
>>8717527
When it comes to the term, it is actually the same like it is how with "Lolita" and you won't find shit searching menhera kei in neither english or japanese as all the articles out it only call it menhera.

>>8717756
*like how it is
*articles about it

God, I shouldn't write while multi-tasking.

>>8717659
It's funny because on tumblr there are many "mentally ill" people that usually self diagnose or troll people to believe they are autistic and need to be coddled, kek. I just really hope the style never get popular, also it's so cute except for some stuff i dislike. Well, we had from ages an interest for creepy stuff, these always don't mean the person wearing it is sick or weird, some like it cause it's cute and many are into morbid stuff.
>>8717642
So cute!
Btw, wish these menhera shops would do more frilly OP dresses and cutsews with similar prints.

>>8717659
>>8717691
It is actually worse when you use the search instead but thank's god that Tumblrs search is so messed you won't see the results. Ever since I started the menhera tumblr I had to block over 30 SJW calling us ableist, NT, racist (for simply knowing japanese) and so on which is why the "about" sounds the way it does in order to not ~trigger~ more butthurt over the gurokawa based suicide themes.

They probably think people drawing guro must murder by their logic.

>>8717773
>They probably think people drawing guro must murder by their logic.

they dont actually lmao

>>8717761
im no self-dxer but
are you like, trying to say a condition doesn't exist until someone is formally diagnosed

that is so bizarre

>>8717761
The main issue is that the most interesting stuff only gets sold local.

>>8715907
Chanel had a similar idea several years ago.

>>8717786
I mean the specific case of many tumblr people that invent mental illness just to justify their SJW stuff or being assholes to parents, friends, partners and others while claiming "no bulliez plz"!I also self diagnose (asperger??) but i would never get a cure or join a aspie group, i started to feel out of this not identifing anymore aspie.
>>8717789
I know anon!They won't be sold second hand on mbok because they are still obscure indie brands....I'm hoping for taobao shops creating orignal non replica menhera clothing.

>>8717786
Anon means the lower part of pic related.

>>8717796
possibly? they aren't mentally ill in the way that they think they are, but in a different way. the attention seeking is part of it. so they aren't mentally ill in scare quotes.

an example would be someone i once knew that self diagnosed did, paranoid schizophrenia, etc and used the former to excuse lying on nearly a pathological but were probably only borderline or autistic.

anyway, let's get back on topic.
i don't want this thread to devolve into "lol i made ess jay double yews on tumblr angry look!!!"

>>8717815
*pathological level

>>8717796
Actually, the main reason seems to be that they are more quick sold than they have time to put things online. At least it was like this with Tenten, they originally had an onlinestore but closed it after some months as they couldn't get behind updating all the time.

Tbh, Tenten's Twitter is the best way to discover new indie brands as they feature new ones almost weekly in their store, usually including @ to the twitter of the brand.
https://twitter.com/selectshopten2

>>8717659
I love all the SJW butthurt.

>>8717827
>>8717659
why are you posting these

>>8717827
Also from the SJW of OP's cap, actually thinks seifuku=bondage, "teenage angst" was only ever mentioned in answer of the menhera blog to a question why seifuku get associated with menhera (the answer was that woman associate it with their teenage years/puperty).

>>8717838
I only made the second post and it's part of the discussion as some people said SJW would love it.

>>8717839
hello fuckyeahmenhera

>>8717838
same reason as >>8717842

>>8717843
...you didn't know it was run by /cgl/ users?

>>8717849
i just assumed a person from here would know what the fuck they're doing

>>8717827
I agree. Seeing neurotypicals get in to this is so cringey and try hard.

>>8717827
Why especially white people?

>>8717860
>Contemporary phenomena such as hikikomori and parasite singles are seen as examples of late Japanese culture's growing problem of the new generation growing up unable to deal with the complexities of honne–tatemae and pressure of an increasingly materialist society.

>it is a reference to the pressure of society to “fit in” in order to keep the system going which, especially the japanese youth, drives people into suicide.

>it is a statement against the preassure of Japan's society that causes mental issues

idk family

>>8717857
As mentioned, the blog is run by more than one person and only the seifuku post was fashion related and therefore I didn't think further as the post in your post is about the term menhera on its own. The SJW in the screenshot wrote "also the whole bdsm is apparently supposed to symbolize 'teen angst' which is also gross as hell" in the hashtag" which is BS.

>>8717864
By that logic nobody white should be allowed to wear/reblog gyaru or lolita as both was started as rebellion against the beauty standards of Japan's society.

>>8717866
am i supposed to take you seriously when you use words like butthurt and SJW?

you're derailing your own thread. just post more coords.

>>8717870
here's your reply

>>8717872
Newfag detected.

>>8717864
Those all sounds like issues that white people would be just as susceptible to in a similar cultural climate.

>>8717875
how is middle school

>>8714747
Can someone dumb this down for me, I don't fucking get it.

>>8717877
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honne_and_tatemae

the way i see it, if you're japanese and/OR you're mentally ill it's perfectly understandable to indulge in menhera. if you're neither of those, that's when it starts to seem weird and fetishistic.

gonna dump pics as i find them

>>8717881
Let me rephrase; since the person didn't specify non-Japanese and just said white I'm wondering why only white people are singled out as opposed to saying non-Japanese. I don't see a black person being more susceptible to these particular issues than a white person.

>>8717880
Kawaii medical emo guro fashion.

>>8717893
Thanks, sounds stupid though. This reminds me of "Dark Mori" or "Pastel goth"

>>8717883
That seems so terrible, a members only fashion club for mental illness or recovery would create the worst behaviour, just look at the online world of eating disorders and the dark competing there.
I vote in support of keeping it an aesthetic, which people can draw support or relate to their illness if they want, but it's not dependant on it. We've done things differently from the original Japanese in other fashions such as gyaru, I don't think it would be bad to deviate here.

Thoughts? What are other opinions and options?

>>8717889
it's just easier to generalize?
it's not impossible for a non japanese person to be subject to a similar cultural climate. sorry for any confusion.

i'd also like to add that it feels so fake for one to SING of menhera's subversiveness, without similar experiences?

>>8717883 put it nicely

>>8717883
This

>>8717880
What don't you get about it?

>>8717859
>neurotypicals
That's pretty assumptive of you. Not everyone posts their ~disorders uwu~ on their tumblr page. Mind your fucking business.

>>8717912
FUCKING THIS, holy shit. I hate the fact that there's people out there who would assume that I'm completely okay and sane just because I don't list every little thing wrong with me for everyone to see.

>>8717902
Wearing mental illness motifs when you don't suffer from any yourself is too fucking ~edgy~ and cringey.

If you absolutely have to participate because you're a weeb and love everything Japanese then stick to the bdsm/sexual themes and stay clear of the usual pill/metal illness motif.

>>8717901
Just like Guro Lolita, it isn't really an own fashion. Just like you can make Sweet Lolita, Classic Lolita and Gothic Lolita into Guro Lolita with adding some details, you can make various casual jfashions into Menhera.

>>8717912
sorry to hear about your unipolar depression

>>8717919
What the fuck does this even mean?

>>8717916
So according to you Junko Mizuno must be the worst person on earth with spreading her mangas all around the world since the 90s, huh?

>>8717921
it means you're unique and CAZY

>>8717922
Writing about mental illness =\= wearing mental illness as a fashion statement.

I don't think you should have to be Japanese to wear the fashion, people saying that you're "appropriating" culture by wearing street fashion are fucking stupid.

However, I do think you should suffer from some sort of disorder to wear it, since that's (from what I know) the whole point of the fashion.
>>8717924
Not that person but wouldn't that type of person put that all over their blog? I don't understand what you're trying to say.

>>8717922
mizuno's work isn't explicitly mental illness related. it's more related to the eroguro movement, which more people in this thread should know about. are you deliberately being obtuse?

>>8717827
Ugh, everyone can dress menhera neurotypical or not.
>>8717839
In my opinion the fashion is more 18+ related due to the sexual themes.
>>8717902
I'm with you anon. I dislike to associate the fashion only with mentally ill people. Also, these themes in menhera were used before in other jfashions, now they just recreated them in pastel version.
Keeping the fashion as just aesthetic works better, we don't want this fashion derailed by a special group that allow only mentally ill people. Also, it would be good with this fashion start some healing and start to get away from illness or being healthier. Indeed "menhera healing". I would love if ill people would get better thanks to a fashion, in my case lolita helped me to get away from my anxiety, now it's gone (i hope):

>>8717928
Never said that, the prints on mengera are part of the same movement. Hell, clothes designed by her are part of menhera.

>>8717931
> I dislike to associate the fashion only with mentally ill people.
Menhera as a fashion was started to cope with mental illness.

Other than being an edge lord, why would someone who has no mental illness be part of a fashion that focuses so much on it?

>>8717939
Because they're weebs and it's Japanese?

>>8717939
This.
It's not like you can't find similar stuff in other fashions, menhera should be limited to people who have mental illness as a coping method.

>>8717931
>Ugh, everyone can dress menhera neurotypical or not.
fuck off normie

>>8717928
>implying most menhera prints aren't eroguro too

>>8717939
For the same reason why people like the melancholy that is part of Goth?

>>8717933
I love the aim infact, but i fear some people instead to find healing they just never improve and say "i'm mentally sick and i should never improve for wearing the fashion, is kawaii!".
>>8717945
Lol no, i'm not neurotypical. Probably aspie. Calm down, anon. People could wear it as a fashion only why not?
Also, normies won't wear fashions like menhera, fairy kei, lolita, gyaru and so on.

>>8717951
you never fully recover from mentally illness though

>>8717956
*mental illness

isn't it weird that whenever a community of mentally ill people is brought up, people say things like this? oh no what if they're like a damn cult and encourage each other to never get better and become productive members of society.
it's a lot easier on them when they feel unity, and prevents them from hitting rock bottom and feeling truly helpless.

>>8717951
>not neurotypical
>doesn't say why
> probably aspie
>probably

You sound like one of those kids who think being mentally I'll is cool and edgy. Shut up and get out of this fashion.

>>8717951
Reminds me, aren't there any statistics regarding that? I know that 1 of 10 in the US suffers depression, would be interesting to see some like this in relation to alternative fashion. In general it seems that people with health issues tend to focus more on the creative than somebody healthy.

>>8717968
Holy shit anon calm down with the gatekeeping. I'm mentally ill and medicated and I say people can wear whatever the fuck they want, this included, in fact I welcome and encourage them to join me in this fashion and think it will help positive discussion of mental illness. Now what? Why does your opinion matter more than mine?

>>8717968
That's basically the only kind of person besides actual mentally unstable people who would be in to the fashion. Chances are there would be a lot more to come, I say we get used to it.

>>8717973
> still doesn't specify how she is mentally ill
Lol shut up.
If you come up with something at this point I'll just assume you're making it up.

>>8717977
Get used to it sure, but we shouldn't welcome them.>>8717977

>>8717980
Fuck off robot, tell us what's up, wave your mental illness dick around and tell us what's eating you so I can tell you your mental illness is shit and not good enough for us.

>>8717988
Calm down.

> ITT: menhera already devolving into tumblr-tier gatekeeping
> inb4 I-If you aren't a real J-Japanese, you can't wear this fashion!1! Stop taking things away from us oppressed people!1!!

This fucking thread holy shit. What a cluster-fuck.

>>8717996
Nobody here is saying you can't wear it if you're not Japanese? You just shouldn't wear if if you're not mentally ill and just a normie. Go back to wearing pastel goth or creepy cute or some shit.

I swear it's just the same idiots complaining.

>>8717996
damn SJWs stole my fucking gogurts ill show them

>>8718000
>implying anybody normal would be into a gore based fashion

>>8718006
I'm using normies to refer to the people without mental illnesses that are upset they can't wear a fashion about mental illness.

>>8718006
>we're all mad here xD

>>8718000
It's the same logic though. I don't see why neurotypical people can't wear menhera. At the end of the day, some people just enjoy the aesthetic. Like with goth or lolita or any alternative fashion with a subculture, you can wear the clothes without being a part of the subculture.

>>8718006
Wearing ~edgy~ clothes doesn't make you not normal you edge lord.

>>8718000
>you shouldn't wear it if you're not mentally ill
you do realize japan doesn't fucking believe in mental illnesses right? the people wearing this don't seriously have mental ilnesses(or need to) and it's highly likely not much a form of rebellion but rather a trendy way to look edgy.

>>8718016
Because it's a fashion made for girls to feel better about their mental illness. Most of the prints made are drawn by girls venting out their problems. Why is this so hard for you fucks to understand?

You can enjoy the aesthetic and reblog it onto your tumblr or whatever the fuck, but if you're not mentally ill, you shouldn't wear the print-based outfits.

>>8718016
the sub culture in japan is just a bunch of chuunibyous, holy shit people are fucking dumb.

>>8718021
>you do realize japan doesn't fucking believe in mental illnesses right?
that's the point
because japan doesn't believe in them, they're making clothes to make it more out there
can you at least google menhera?

>>8718009
Understood.
I don't think there are many on /cgl/ tho, considering how often we have threads about how to deal with chronic illness while wearing jfash/cosplay and 80% is mental related.

>>8718021
which is why THIS IS A STATEMENT!!!! is fucking stupid

>>8718022
no it's fucking not, and you're a moron for thinking so. i hope some of you tumblrtards wear this shit then go to japan to get laughed at about how fucked up you are even though it's just pretend for them.

>>8718025
i can read and understand more japanese than the average tumblrina(who usually try to impose their own opinions on translations) and it's not serious. if you think it's serious there's seriously something wrong with you.

>>8718023
Same could be said about all jfashions. Why are you even on /cgl/?

>>8718022
No, that's just what you decided to project on the fashion. It's like saying lolita can only be worn by girls who are pressured into the strict Japanese definition of 'growing up' (e.g. going to work, then abandoning your career to build a family). Yes, there's a general idea and culture behind both menhera and lolita, but you don't have to prove that you're 'worthy' to be able to dress in a fashion style.

>>8718032
i'm not saying that's an issue, it's just not some super spechul secret mental illness friendship society. that's got to be the weebiest shit i've ever heard yet from fucking tumblr.

be chuunibyou if you're gonna be chuunibyou but don't make it into something bigger and more important than it is.

>>8718028
It even says so in the japanese articles linked here "menhera will help heal you".

>>8717968
You do know people can talk to a doctot about the likely possibilty of a mental illness before they get tests done, yeah? She is saying probably, probably because they haven't been fully diagnosed not everybody has the ability to be diagnosed as a child.
Back on topic and trying to move on from the clusterfuck, what do y'all think the options are for footwear? I feel like this is a good place for platform maryjanes but not so much heels.

>>8718035
do you fucking understand what playing pretend is?

idgaf about the fight over wearing this but I will say that it's pretty edgy to want to wear it if you don't have a mental illness, even if that's what a lot of Japanese girls do

>>8718036
>Back on topic and trying to move on from the clusterfuck, what do y'all think the options are for footwear? I feel like this is a good place for platform maryjanes but not so much heels.
I think so as 99% of all outfits use printed tigh highs that go well with clunky shoes.

>>8718047
Legwear dump incoming.

>>8718036
So she hasnt been diagnosed at all with it but is annoucing it as proof that she is not normal. After being called out on it she said she is medicated and ill so she supposedly has access to a doctor so there goes your theory. That combined with the the added interest in this fashion it's not a streach to think she think mental illness is ~cool~.

>>8718051

>>8718056

>>8717980
I am not the original anon you're talking to, and regardless, it's not your business what mental illnesses other people have.

>>8718057

>>8718054
You know you can go to a doctor for one thing and then talk about the possibility of other things, yeah? I don't know this anon's life but honestly stop getting salty about shit and enjoy or hate this inherently tacky and edgy style.

>>8718046
it's edgy for anyone to wear it, it's a fad. the idea that a bunch of mentally ill girls will run to this for acceptance to form some kind of ridiculous identity around is saddening to me. and not because it's 'romanticizing' anything either, but because it will still work how fads work. whenever people become involved in fads, especially younger women, they tend to lose their individuality and replace it with a kind of unified ~uniqueness~ of whatever the fad happens to be to try to be accepted and fit in. add mental illness and the insecurities that come with it and well, it seems like a volatile combo. especially since people are already starting to claim it as something 'meant for them' it creates an us-vs-them mentality that tumblr is famous for overusing and exploiting to victimize themselves. it's disgusting.

and i just want to say shame on everyone who's trying to say 'neurotypical' people can't wear this. what i and most other people with mental illnesses, invisible illnesses and disabilities really want is to be accepted for who we are and for people to understand it's part of life, something not shameful. not something that separates but something that just it. trying to group yourselves apart from everyone like a secret club just makes people with these types of issues seem separate form the norm, and that's just not how you create awareness or acceptance at all.

>>8718038
You sound like an edgelord who wants the green light to wear it so you're now claiming the Japanese are just pretending to be sick despite the fact that there's no evidence to suggest that.

>>8718057
The legwear I'm posting here is from the creator of Menhera Cyan's shop, for those who may (or may not) be curious.

>>8718062

>>8718066
and you sound like a weeb who doesn't actually understand how edgy japanese girls get with their fashion to try to form some kind of identity. have you even seen the lengths some of them will go?

it's totally different in japan than it is in most other fully developed countries. you're expected to be "another one of many" the culture is objectifying, suppressing, and all out boring. people are taught to desire nothing more than being a cog in a machine. hell, until recently it was looked down on as weird or even crazy for a girl or anyone really to go out by themselves. "oh you must have no friends, you must be weird, there's something wrong with you" people suppress the urge to simply become unique or recognized for anything, do you think for a second that mental ilness is the same thing to them? that's so naive.

>>8718064
You moron, if she actually was mentally I'll she would have said that she is currently under meds etc. But instead she said she's "probably" aspie when someone questioned it. And it was only when someone called bs on her aspergers claim did she mention that she was medicated. It all just screams bull shit.

>>8718086
>aspie
>meds
i don't know what the fuck to say.

>>8718078
I don't have anything with shoes left, like 90% of all ootd selfies are without shoes. I am pretty sure it would be possible to find more examples on predatorrat's hashtag but it is full of exhibitionist girls.

>>8718064
>Beaute
good taste, anon

>>8718084
Lol wtf are you trying to say. That because you're a loner you're mental by Japanese standards and should be allowed to use pills in your Coords with no one claiming edgelord??

>>8718101
no i'm trying to say that adding some kind of arbitrary requirement to this is fucking dumb as hell. people should be allowed to express whatever they want without having to appease someone else's idea of who should wear what. especially since it's arbitrary. girls in japan could think that being a loner because you enjoy quiet time is the same as being a sociopath. there's no measure of what constitutes it. do we have to take a fucking quiz or get a bill of mental illness or something?


tl;dr: there's a disparity in what constitutes mental illnesses among different cultures and so saying that people have to have one is fucking arbitrary.

Saging to say that no one should be worried about people without mental illnesses wearing this since tumblr will just bully them into having one.

baka desu senpai

If anyone can make a list of online shops that have medical/sweet guro/menhera items, I would love you for eternity.

>>8716866
>that 'mental' badge

NEED

>>8718150
>>8715466

someone already posted a list earlier in the thread

>>8717919
>tell you to stop being tumblr
>make a joke about how I'm tumblr
.....okay.......?

http://www.artgene.net/detail.php?EID=15335
About some menhera art exhibition from last year, just posting because some asked about the whole context behind the drawings.

>>8717046
>babyart
I didn't even realize this was the name of a community, I thought it was just the name of Brown's blog. It sounds too general, like when you search "babyart" you just get pictures of babies fingerpainting and shit unless you specifically look up "babyart trevor brown".

>>8717827
>especially white ppl
Wtf?

>>8717980
For various reasons, not everyone is able to go to a psych and get themselves formally diagnosed with a mental illness, numbnuts.
Another thing, there's no specification or requirements to wear a clothing style. It's not the same thing as going to a therapy session or taking meds, it's just fucking clothing. Fuck off if you think otherwise, or make your own fashion, announce that only [x] sort of people can wear it and see if it gets popular with anyone but snowflakey tumblrites. I dare you.

>>8718319
Art on top would be from Sakanako https://twitter.com/jellyghost , she is very well known for getting off of cutting herself at liveacts, splattering blood all over the drawings while undressing. Browsing her sites may not be for everyone as there are some photos of exactly that.

>>8718349
Seems like you're the one who needs to fuck off. The fashion is about mental illness and used as a way to cope by girls with mental illness. No you are not allowed to take over then tell people to fuck off and make their own fashion. THIS is our fashion and it is getting popular.>>8718349

>>8718349 #
Seems like you're the one who needs to fuck off. The fashion is about mental illness and used as a way to cope by girls with mental illness. No you are not allowed to take over then tell people to fuck off and make their own fashion. THIS is our fashion and it is getting popular.

>>8718805
Or, we can just dress however we want while achknowledging that this style takes inspiration from conditions and acts which are taboo within Japanese society.

You can't claim a style, fashion, etc as 'yours'. This will just lead to non-mentally ill menheras doing bunnyhops around you, singing 'U mad bro' at the top of their lungs, because they know you can't cut them.

Also, making it a club turns it inte a hugbox, you stop pushing yourself and you won't ever have to recover or feel better again!

>>8718805
>THIS is our fashion and it is getting popular.
You can't claim niche rules like the example of 'you must be seeing a shrink', and expect that everyone will follow them if the thing gets popular.

For that example: Some people will be medicated but not seeing a shrink, some people will be in situations where they can't access a shrink or are self managing, some people will be perfectly fine but will fully believe that they should be seeing a shrink, and some will fake it.
How will you define mental illness? Will you make hate blogs for people you don't think should be in the fashion? Call them something like 'truscum'?

Get over it, rules like that make everything in to a witch hunt.

Ordered these about three mounth ago and was so happy about finding somehing medical-related. Anyone wants review?

>>8718327
It was the name of the very popular LJ comm too (that recently got deleted, it had been inactive for ages) and after that it carried over to tumblr back in the day when it was cool but most people into babyart have left sadly. But Trevor brown was basically the father of it.

>>8718817
Yeeeess!!!
Please do! Where and how!?
Nurse looks are adorable for menhera.

>>8718817
Oh yes, please! I saw these on fuckyeahmenhera and I wanted them so much! What color did you order, anon?

>>8718812
There is no "rule" you're over thinking it
No one is saying you need to define mental illness we just DONT want to welcome neurotypicals who think pills and suicide and mental illness in general is cool and edgy.

>>8718811
Shut up Edgelord.
The fashion was invented by us it most certainly is ours.

>>8718821
Pink savior on taobao sold (sells?) them, check their store! If they are not availiable here try looking on secondhand taobao page.
>>8718822
I ordered both, but one (unfortunately my preferred colour - blue) is unwearable now because I've ordered L for unknown reason while I should've gone with S instead, so I need to alter it first.
I'll make photos and write here a bit later, stay tuned~

>>8718825
Hahahah
It's cool in Jp because they consider the motifs 'cool and edgy' I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who thinks the acts themselves are cool and edgy.

Unless, IDK, maybe they find it so cool and edgy, they study it meticulously, which, gasp, makes them aware of how bad it is. Harmless fascination.

Also, this neurotypical stuff
Whatabout people who have legit recovered from mental illness?

>>8718826
>calling someone an edgelord
>in a thread about a fashion which is going to be a mental illness uniform

>>8718811
>Also, making it a club turns it inte a hugbox, you stop pushing yourself and you won't ever have to recover or feel better again!

That's not the way mental illness works.
I'm not going to magically get better because other people who are not sick dress the same as me....like...what? How are you going to make me better? Do you even know what mentally illness is?

Holy fucking shit, as someone who is legally mentally disabled, can we knock this shit off and get back on topic? Who fucking cares if someone is crazy or not? Everyone has a reason to wear the fashion and it isn't going to help the stigma if you have ameltdown any time someone who isn't mentally ill uses a pill motif. I follow these threads to cope, not to watch butthurt people define who can and can't wear some fucking clothes.

>>8718840
It's not the clothes, it's the community it'll build. It's like the tumblr mentality of "everything you feel is valid! You don't need to get help if you don't want to! It's perfectly healthy to do nothing for weeks on end and shut yourself out!"

>>8718826
>"us"
Unless you are actually Japanese and in particular one of the Japanese who are selling Menhera like Kuua then you can pretty much shut the fuck up, "special club edgelord"

Ignore sjw gatekeeping. They actively hate creativity, invention and art in general and want everyone to dress in their designated racial, religious and cultural uniforms.

>>8718843
Sounds like you're making a fashion that was made to cope with mentally illness in to just another average fashion.

If you don't have any idea what its like to be mentally ill , please refrain from giving advice on how to cope. I don't think you realize how off the mark most people with advice are. And there's plenty of neurotypicals in my life. I don't need someone who thinks this whole thing is edgy trying to give me advice.

>>8718865
It's for our own good anon! Otherwise its a hug box and we'll never get better!!

>>8718865
> a fashion that was made to cope with mentally illness
People using the fashion to cope doesn't mean that the fashion was made to help cope with mental illness. Some people just like the aesthetics (this includes mentally ill people who don't use clothes as a support aid).

>>8718847
Lol you're not even on pills but you wanna wear pills as a fashion accessory yet I'M the edgelord? Wat?

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>>8718865
I was actually severely depressed for years anon but good job at knowing everything and screaming "neurotypical!" just because someone doesn't agree with your viewpoint.

>>8718880
Pretty sure they are autistic, considering how hard they are projecting and screaming the same shit over and over.

I'm annoyed at ~edgy~ neurotypicals wearing this but I feel there's nothing we can really do about it. It was to be expected to be honest, we should get ready for a fair amount of people faking a mentally illness too. A fashion like this, that practically glorifies it its going to attract a lot of those.

>>8718873
How would even know I'm not on pills? How would you even know I want to wear pills? Is jumping to conclusions about strangers you nothing about part of your mental illness? If so you should you should probably not be on this board, and getting help. Also your responses are erratic and irrelevant to what you're responding to - my point was that you said "it was created by us etc" you didn't create Jack shit. You especially did not create menhera. So stop embarrassing yourself online and go get help.
Pro-tip: I'm not the anon you were originally spewing crap at, yes, there is more than one person here who thinks you're an idiot.

>>8718886
People have been faking mental illnesses for years, it's not really worth worrying about. Just wear the cute shit and have fun.

>>8718885
Can you stop blaming everything on autism? Gatekeeper anon is probably bpd or something else that comes with a persecution complex.

>>8718888
>Just wear the cute shit and have fun.
Can this just be it please

As a severely mentally I'll person this whole fashion is cringey. And it's hard for me to imagine anyone who is not a neurotypical edgelord wearing this shit.

People who are mentally I'll struggle so much with the stigma etc, why would you put it on blast?

>>8718886
I don't agree with you, but I can respect you for at least being rational.

>>8718840
Wow holy fuck way to totally miss the mark, I'm not the anon you're responding to and I've struggled with mental health issues, and you're a fucking idiot.
What they are saying is that where you have a community that surrounds something like acceptance for mental illness, it's difficult for that community to not become toxic and become a downwards slide for people. You only have two problems and no ground-breaking personality disorders? How droll, you're outie. You're recovering and aren't going to need the group anymore? Okay you're outie.
Yes, you can have support groups that work, but there needs to be a striving for improvement. 'Acceptance' groups are even more risky for becoming a group for downward spirals.

>>8718888
Quints of truth

>>8718901
THIIIIS
Omg, I'm cringing so hard at this thread.

>>8716866

Why would you wear a button with a noose on it. Christ If I wore a button with a noose on it I'll probably end up right back in the mental hospital. There's no way my family would let me get away with it.

This is literally just elfgutz kei, I can't believe /cgl/ is interested in it.
Uchuu and this shit are just trashing up Japanese fashion with tumblrcore stuff.

>>8718901
I think when people say they are using the fashion to cope, they probably mean they are using the fashion to cope with the stigma? (Because t.b.h I don't see how a fashion can be used to cope with the illness itself)

As a way to say "I'm I'll and I'm not going to hide it." It really opens up the door for discussion and acceptance. Its very different from the way we are used to having to hide it like it's a dirty secret.

>>8718909

by your logic hot topic would be out of business, people have been wearing edgy shit for decades, maybe you deserve to be back in the hospital if you're going to overreact to everything.

>>8718909
>
If you don't like it, you don't have to agree with us. You can disagree, state your reasons to do so, and argue with us if you like.

We can wear stuff with nooses, because some of us do not have the aspect of people close to us taking it as a warning sign.

Warning signs are very individual. Just because it's a warning sign for you doesn't mean others can't wear it unhindered.

This thread is such a mess of self-righteous edgelords. I don't know why you'd want to literally wear your mental issues, I get acceptance but a lot of people in this thread honestly sound about 13.

>>8718919
>trashing up Japanese fashion
You absolute idiot, Menhera is already a Japanese fashion, and Uchuu draws incredibly heavily on Japanese fashion.

>>8718935
I don't think anyone over the age of 13 would honestly wear this.