/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

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>>8459726
Ah I miss her, does anyone know what happened to her? Does she still post somewhere?

>>8459738
No idea. I'd love to find out, she's beautiful.

Selfpost. I'm working on some oldschool coord's and this is one of them. I need a few more things but i think this is decent. Sorry for potato pics.

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>>8459760
I already commented but I think a long cross necklace could be cute. I agree to go with a black or white satchel but a black leather backpack could also work. It's not that the bat wings don't go, but I'd personally go for something plainer, but if you already own it it's fine.

>>8459774
Also I'm thinking one of those gothic cross embroidery satchel bags or a coffin purse.

>>8459760
This is super cute, but your blouse seems too big and bunching in your armpits. Is it pulled down firmly under your jsk?

my favorite outfit so far

Question: How do you keep the straps of RHS up? Mine fit, I can cross them right and fasten the Velcro under my knees but when I walk, the straps fall.

>>8459800
maybe sew a pin on the end of the strap so you can attach the pin to your socks?

>>8459786
It's just really wrinkled, i need to iron it. my jsk has elastic straps too and likes to ride up, pulling the blouse with it. I keep needing to adjust it.

>>8459774
I've got one i can use, thanks for the suggestion!

>>8459800
tighten them to the max, maybe just keep them around your lower calf? mine dont fall.

>>8459800
Short answer: you cant

Long answer: people have tried a lot of stuff like velcro, double sided tape, pinning, sewing or sock gluing them to your socks or tights, but it always messes up your legwear and looks bad with only slight effectiveness. So people put the straps up for photos, then rewrap them around the ankles for walking around. Unless maybe if you have super dainty but knobby legs the straps can get a hold on?

>>8459726
I'm still so in love with this.

>>8459814
>tfw shirt stays / garters don't work with visible knee socks
If you're wearing bloomers, maybe it helps to tuck your blouse into the waistband?

>>8459839
I'll try that, with the waist band. thanks for the idea!

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>>8459814
Thank you.

>>8459819
I feared as much. I just have normal legs, neither fat nor thin, I can wrap them fine like the photos all show but then no matter how tight, they slide down. I was thinking to maybe sew some yarn or invisible thread loops to socks at each place where they cross on one of my pairs of knee socks, then threading the straps through. I may try it on some cheap knee socks first. It's a shame because I love the look of them going up the leg.

I don't have any new photos to share but I was wondering if I could have some coord advice?

I love the dress although it's a deeper wine than anything else I have. I was wondering what you would recommend wearing with it?

>>8459916
Black would be the easiest route. Bodyline's moitie replica platforms, some black utk's and a headress. Baby also has some headresses/bonnets out there that match, you just need to look hard.

>>8459916
I'd keep it simple and pair it with either ivory or black. Maybe an ivory headdress with a wine rose or two, ivory legwear and either ivory or black shoes and bag.

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Basically
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>>8459996
Ivory legwear (lace topped?), winexivory headdress (diy if you can't find one), chunky black shoes, black bag. With the accessories and metallic accents, go for gold/ antique gold.

>>8459860
That plan might work! Try it and report back.

>>8459992
Not that Anon but which are Moitie replica platforms? Forever Bigfoot here, no brand shoes for me ever.

>>8460090
These babies. I adore them. (not my photo)
The original design is an old moitie design, and they go up to a 27 i'm pretty sure.

>>8459738
I believe shes a popular artist in new york now. No idea if its the same girl but I think found I her instagram.

>>8459760
This is super cute and I love it!

>>8459797
I think this looks kind of off for some reason. perhaps it's the slightly dead looking hair and the bodyline headdress (not that they're all bad, this particular one is shit to me) and that she's got such a small waist the dresses fit looks a bit off. i think she'd look so much better with some natural makeup, properly straightened hair and one of baby's babydolls.

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this is Jane Mai!!! she draws comics and lives in NYC, as anon said. She still dresses in Lolita from time to time, but I don't think she does old school much anymore.

Requesting more old school sweet if possible!

>>8460471
im kind of in love with her.

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>>8460471
I'm glad she found success

>>8460471
I checked out her london trip comic and it was annoying, can't believe she's having success with that. However her and her boyfriend's perfectly matched outfits are really cute.

>>8460140
Thank you, now I have to look them up. So chunky, wow. Impressive.

>>8460555
Does Bodyline have any pastel JSK that would be good for an oldschool sweet coord? Preferably sax but I guess I could manage pink. Tyia if you know of some.

>>8460586
in love

Could someone post example of old school bags?

>>8461068
l348 is most people's preferred choice for oldschool-esque bodyline. They only have sax in medium right now.
There's also l445, which is a cheaper option.

Bodyline always seem to be out of stock of the Moitie replica shoes. Does anyone know if they run to size or are smaller or bigger?
Also does anyone own a pair of Meta platforms and if so would you be able to tell of the fit?

>>8461068
What's your sizing options?

>>8461088
Isn't it just tote bags and hearts?

Just a heads up, Mandarake have a ton of old school Baby & AP pieces for 4-7k yen

>>8461373
I've never even heard of this place before

>>8461373
stop telling people about it. soon they'll never have anything because everyone will know fffffff

>>8461481
Don't be like that, the more the merrier. I find that the more I help others in general, the more luck I have with my own stuff. People who are doing revival of oldschool aren't THAT many that you have to be so greedy or secretive, really!

>>8461257
Ususlly 2L. Sometimes M in newer stuff from them. Occasionally a cinched-in 4L (corset lacing) or skirt in 4L

>>8461122
Thank you, I'll check the sizing, sometimes I fit M. Ugh for l445, I've seen a few too many ill-fitting ita coords done with it but maybe it deserves a fresh look for oldschool styling as long as the heart keeps the shape.

>>8461506
>l445

Don't anon, it's fugly as shit.

>>8461499
There's also non oldschool and other pieces that come up, if everyone knows about it more people will check it regularly like closetchild and pieces will go a lot quicker, like other shops in the past. sigh.

Is anyone on the hunt for anything specific?
I'm currently looking for a tartan/plaid jsk or short sleeve op in green, grey or red that fits a 96cm bust.

>>8461661
Baby's tartan pieces regularly come up on auction/secondhand stores and they're usually fully shirred or have full back shirring.

Thanks anon I do look but I guess I just miss them. It's good to know that a lot of the BTSSB do have shirring.

One of the first lolita outfits I saw and fell in love with.

>>8461811
Oh I love this so much!

>>8461598
Lol, Anon. If they don't have the money for shipping and can't navigate foreign sites well, it's not going to be such terrible competition. I still grab my stuff off CC fairly easily and everyone knows about that, right? Insomnia helps a bit, sure, but still.

My favorite coord I've ever seen. Old school apron looks are amazing.

>>8461598
There's shit that's been on there for 6 months to a year, if they don't move stock they're not going to bother replacing it. There's hardly been any particularly rare or sought after prints on there either so there's no need to be salty.

>>8461530
Errrr...maybe not this one then. Wow. I don't like this much, it is likely one of the few that looks better on Weenus.

>>8462913
>no sought after pieces
>bought midsummer nights dream there

ok then.

>>8461661
Still looking for BtSSB's Baby Doll JSK in this colorway. Been checking auction sites every other day, but it hasn't come up yet. I love this dress, so I hope it shows up soon. But, if all else fails, I think Baby re-releases this JSK pretty often. So maybe I could eventually buy it new?

This skirt is going for cheap on lacemarket. Super cute but I don't have the money. I thought someone on here might want it.

http://www.lacemarket.us/btssb-pink-scallop-and-lace-skirt/

Where do you buy your old school blouses from? Besides older brand blouses are there any Taobao or indie brand blouses that you like to use for old school?

>>8459720
This girl is a treasure.

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>>8464500
Ok I'm really out of the loop. What's the name of this OP? I keep seeing it everywhere

>>8460140
They're not Moitie replica's, those don't have those criss cross straps for one

>>8464529
Baby's Elizabeth OP. They remake it (in winter and summer variations) every now and then. It's the dress Momoko wore.

>>8459805
Well shit. I've been wondering this for ages. Even my engineer bf came up with a way more complicated solution. This might just work, maybe not for tights, but it's simple and elegant.

>>8464542
>the dress Momoko wore.
ahhh so that's why it's so popular. Thanks anon.

>>8464540
They actually are. the original design is from the early 2000's i'm pretty sure, a friend of mine had them. not every shoe design from them is the same, anon.

>>8463355
Me too anon, it's so beautiful, I hope it's released again soon!

>>8464513
One day...

>>8464690
I really hope to find it second hand, but I want it enough that I'd be willing to buy it new for full price. I'm lucky enough to have found the black and white colorway, but I love the red, too.

>>8464500
my forever dreamdress. hope baby will put up the set for reserve next year again (I assume), missed it last year.

>>8463980
there are barely any taobao brands that sell anything oldschool, it's very rare. your best bet is with secondhand brand on CC or Wunderwelt or a few Bodyline blouses (you have to search a bit)

>>8465994
I love this, but it's so expensive. That lace, though.

>>8465996
I haven't checked them out in a while but I think I remember seeing a lot of old school blouses on Maiden Clothing before too.

>>8460140
They're actually Boz replicas anon, I remember realising soon after I'd bought them myself.

>>8465996
Eh, old-school has been on the rise for like about a year and everything is flooded with quality maxipad headdresses, don't know where you look but you obviously do something wrong. To Alice for example has quite a bunch of blouses and dresses that fit old-school.

>>8466972
Can you recommend some shops or Taobao search terms to find the headdresses? I've has trouble finding them.

>>8467317
ciciwooorrkks

>>8468732
cici works is mostly modernday headdresses, not oldschool for so far I've seen

>>8466972
didn't see anything on to alice that really looks oldschool. they have more casual stuff

>>8464573
Yeah, no shit but I don't believe they have ever released any quite like that

>>8468732
I do love their shop, but it's all pretty new school. I want old school headdress and bonnets.

>>8459916
OMG
I envy your dress so hard

>>8463355
Me too! This colourway!

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I love the silly or cutesy poses from old/old-style photos.

>>8463980
What would qualify as an old-school blouse? I generally think of something either really, really lacey, or just very minimalist and plain.

>>8472016
peter pan collars (that are higher up the neck, not those flat lying collars), embroidered cotton lace or clunny lace, a cotton base and just a basic color most of the time.

>>8472016
Cotton, large Peter pan collars, lace. I think nice old school blouses should be detailed. IMO Baby does them best.

>>8472016
Also, a lot of modern blouses are sheer or semi-sheer, but not so much with old school.

Speaking of old school blouses, anybody know any indie brands that sell good ones?

I would like to get some old school BTSSB skirts on auctions, it's true the measurements are very small? I'm not overweight but my waist is 71 cm (tfw pear shaped) and some elastic skirts could give me a sense of pinching.
Also, i feel unconfortable with cotton blouses under jsks, cutsews are a good alternative right? There are plenty of these for cheap.

>>8472219
Go for skirts taht stretch up to at least 75cm. I'm a 68cm and the 71cm one that I got is feels like it's going to slice me in half because the shirring is so tight. I ended up asking a seamstress to remove the shirring and making use of the waist ties.

>>8472225
Good advice anon thanks! But thing is most of old school unknown BTSSB older pieces have no max waist measurements, it's a bit difficult to find since most skirts are just 65 cm.

Anyone is getting into lolita lifestyle?I believe this was more a old school thing, for this when i see older lolita styles i feel a bit nostalgic and aspiring for a cute lifestyle that reflect my clothing.

>>8472281
What exactly is a lolita lifestyle? I myself wear lolita often enough, for meets or cons, or just going out with friends. Sometimes at home just because I feel like it. But I don't wear lolita to work or anything.

>>8472303
What you described is a daily lolita. From what I understand a lifestyle lolita is someone who also maximizes the lolita aesthetic in their lives through stuff like the decor in their house and hobbies (embroidery, baking, bisque doll collecting, etc.)

>>8472312
Yes it's that. I would really like to achieve this lifestyle (except i'm not into baking or cooking much) but i understand it could get expensive until i have a good job. For now, i try to get old school, plainer items to use not only for meets but for daily, cutsews, confier shoes, knits, etc. I have already bought some kawaii items to use in my bag like eyeglasses cases, bottle bag and redeco my study and room.

>>8472281
I love the lolita lifestyle idea a lot. I like to bake mostly... I enjoy making rose petal jam and other lolita esque foods. My bedroom/living space is not lolita but my sewing room is all lacey curtains and very cute and pink. I don't have enough casual outfits to wear it around the house. So props to people who do that. The closest I get is wearing Victorian style pajamas all day.

>>8472281
we had a thread on this a while ago. Are we due for a new one. Also, lifestyle blog-chan, are you out there? I hope you post again soon, I love reading your musings and it's been a little while now.

>>8472281
I love this coord so much honestly.
As for lifestyle I would like cuter furniture and housing interiors but I will get more serious about that once I stop renting.

>>8474944
such a beautiful photo

>>8472281
The things that are considered lifestyle really don't make much sense to me since I'm more into gothic and mature Victorian styles. So kawaii interior decoration, baking and cooking don't really match that. More appropriate would be going for walks, hunting and horse riding, drawing and reading books or playing tennis and croquet.

>>8461068
L092 is quite old-school and also super cheap but don't even think of getting it in pink. I saw it in sax irl, decided to buy since it looked good but the fabric for the pink is a weird colour and kind of see-through.

>>8475239
This seems more lifestyle to me too. The things a victorian lady might do. I'm not into kawaii lifestyle either.

>>8472882
I was the one that made the last thread I was aware of! I'm glad you liked it. I thought maybe /cgl/ wouldn't be very lifestyle, but I'm really happy with so many of the responses and it really gave me hope lifestyle isn't dead. I think most people have something "lifestyle" about them if they're in lolita.

I think if there's another thread or if someone else were to make it one again, I'd like to post some things in it that can relate to various lolita lifestyles. Sewing, baking, and maybe classic feminine activities.

This coord >>8461953 aswell as the one I've posted are my favourite old school coord shots. I love the use of textures, the haircuts, the shoes everything is so on point.

>>8476673
Love the plaid and the red lacy dress in the middles. I remember seeing the heart JSK in Kamikaze Girls, but I still think it looks a bit silly with that giant heart on the chest.

>>847667
Love the plaid and the red lacy dress in the middle. I remember seeing the heart JSK in Kamikaze Girls, but I still think it looks a bit silly with that giant heart on the chest.

>>8476673
Love the plaid and the red lacy dress in the middles. I remember seeing the heart JSK in Kamikaze Girls, but I still think it looks a bit silly with that giant heart on the chest.

>>8474944
This looks like a perfect blend of old school and new! Are there any more like this? What are some ways to wear an old school dress in an updated way?

>>8476706
haha I think all of those are from kamikaze girls actually, see the embroidery on the jsk?

>>8477064
Oh! I knew the heart JSK and the lacy red OP were, but it's been a while since I've seen the movie.

>>8472882
I just threw up a quick post! My camera's been out of action for a while, but once I get it working I'd love to take some arty farty photos to accompany posts. It won't be outfit photos or anything, but maybe far-off shots or something, I'm not sure where I'll be going with it yet but I'll be sure to keep the posts going with or without them!

Has anyone ever seen this version of usakumya?
I only stumbled upon it recently and I think it's perfect.

Are there any specific items/dresses that you are looking for?

>>8478591
I'd fight someone for a really old Usakumya. I'm always holding out hope and keeping an eye on auctions.

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>>8459760
Shannon?

>>8468735
I have some oldschool headresseafrom there tho

Where does one buy offbrand plain black maxi headdresses?

>>8480284
Bodyline has ACC064.

>>8476785
I think a good way to go about blending the new and the old (assuming we're sticking with a sweet/classic bent rather than gothic) is to look into more modern non-print pieces, especially those that AP releases.

So many gorgeous dresses from the past five years or so fly under the radar because of print hype. The construction of AP dresses, and lolita in general, has changed over the years (you can still tell the difference between a 2005 piece and a 2011 piece), but many newer dresses give off that old school vibe.

Pieces like the Society OP, the Dolly Shirring OP, Whipped Gingham Ruffle, Dressy Jabot, and Elegant Velveteen Birdcage are a few of AP's "modern old school" gems.

When creating a coord, think about which elements you want to keep stuck in 2004 and which would look best updated.

>Ex A: old school OP, maxi headdress, and socks + modern hairstyle, bag, and shoes

>Ex B: old school jsk, headbow, hairstyle, and shoes + modern chiffon blouse and tights

I don't really have specific coords in mind here. Obviously focus more on what looks best to you rather than fitting some old/new quota.

>>8464567
It's more popular because it is amazing then because of the movie.

>>8482224
Wow, this is still in stock? I bought it like in 2009 or so kek

It is really nice btw, I use it a lot for oldschool coords.

>>8484193
guess they restocked it

>>8484193
Yeah, mine should be delivered later today. Glad to know it's really nice; I had trouble finding indie brands that sell suitable old school headdresses.

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>>8484275
self post no ragrets

Headdress arrived in the mail. I got the black and white version. I also got wristcuffs. I did a quick try on to see how it would look worn, and it looks good to me. (Excuse the crappy quality.) The ribbons are a bit longer than I expected, but no big deal.

I've got some long bloomers coming in the mail, and I'll buy a more old school style cotton blouse later. The chiffon one seems a little out of place to me. I'm happy with how my wardrobe is coming along. It's growing slowly but steadily.

>>8485150
This looks really cute anon I think the headress suits well. What colour shoes would you wear with this coord? I think investing in a long sleeve old school cotton blouse would definetly improve the coord and be a versatile piece for your wardrobe.

So excited anons, I just picked up pic related from Bodyline (some day Viv, some day). I'm not sure if they just got my size back in stock or if I was just too blind to see it before. I've had a white pair from them with a few years now and they're quite comfy, but I've wanted a black pair for ages.

>>8485448
Thanks, anon! The only shoes I currently have are a black pair and a white pair, so probably black. I also have white lace-topped socks, which also work well. But I'm looking more for a short-sleeved blouse, because it's really hot in my area. Long sleeves are uncomfortable for most of the year, so short sleeves are priority. Long sleeves are cute, they're just not very practical for me.

>>8485150
You look real cute anon, great start so far.

>>8485150
Delightfully oldschool. I'd love to see you in a big fluffy ringlet wig / extensions or similar though anon, I think it would really suit you.

>>8489436
Where are the best options for ringlet wigs?

>>8489455
the bodyline ringlet wigs are ok (W004), plus you can now pick them up for 1000 yen (only a few colours left now mind you)

Unfortunately as far as I know, ringlet wigs have sold out in most other places. If any other anons know where they can be found I'd like to know too (as well as ringlet hairpieces or extensions).

Love the ringlets in pic related.

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>>8489436
Thank you, kind anons! I'm not quite sold old on the ringlets, but I'm actually growing my hair out so that I can get a hime cut. I might also like to look into fluffy extensions of some sort, though. My hair could use some more volume.

(Pic related isn't my favorite example of a hime cut, but it's the best I could find right now.)

>>8485150
>long bloomers
Are you doing the peeking bloomers, anon? I adore that look so much. Keep up the great work

>>8489468
Diff anon but yesss thankyou for the heads up i have been waiting for that wig to go on sale, i just bought it finally!

>>8489468
Thanks anon, I'm trying to pick a colour of what's left. I didn't realise they'd been reduced.

That's gorgeous.

>>8461809
Oh the sweet scent of 2005. Still love this picture to bits, 10 years after

This thread has me in tears TBH I'm legit about to cry like a baby. I have so many old school feels. The nostalgia and all these old pictures are killing me. Lolita just isn't the same for me today as it was for me several years ago. I don't know if it's just me, or if the culture and style has really changed that much since I first discovered the fashion. I've been feeling myself fall out of Lolita over the last year and now I'm wondering if it has something to do with things being different these days. I hope I don't fall out completely because Lolita used to be so important to me. I wish I could time travel back to 2008. This must be how little old ladies feel when they think about their youth.

overly emotional anon still.

Does anyone have pictures from old photo-shoots or things like that? I only have a couple, and those meant more to me than magazine scans because seeing "real people" in the clothes just felt completely magical and it fueled me so much. I've tried looking through the EGL archives to find old pictures and shoots but didn't find much of anything.

Also, Skye was such a huge inspo to me. I know a lot of people didn't like her and there was some drama about her a couple times, but she really did inspire me and I thought that all her outfits were just perfect, even the super casual ones. I even liked her new blog that she did when she left Lolita. I wish she would have continued to blog. I liked her writing style. She probably got tired after blogging for so many years and getting so much attention, I always figured maybe that's why she quit.

>>8489884
Yep! I love it too. The bloomers might take a while to reach me, but it's way too hot for them right now, so that's fine.

Can't wait to actually get a chance to go out and wear my Baby Doll JSK! It was a dream dress that I luckily found pretty quickly.

Alright Seagulls, I just bought this on a whim. What do you guys think? Is it workable? I'll probably replace the side and top lace.

>>8494575
Don't touch the lace this JSK is perfect.

>>8494584
Really? I am quite pleased with it after looking over some old school coords, but the lace going down the side really irks me for some reason.

>>8494584
I agree, keep the lace.

>>8494575
Do not defile its beauty. It's perfect the way it is.

>>8493581
Found this, though I think it's not an old shoot, the clothes and composition of the photo look very old school.

>>8494575
Don't touch it. If you want less lace, sell it and get a different dress. Don't ruin it.

>>8493584
I think it's funny when newer Lolitas whine about piercings and other stuff like that "not being Lolita" when people have been doing it for years and still looking great.
I also really want the dress she's wearing, I have it in black but I'd never seen the pink before.

>>8494589
I really foresee you coming to regret removing the lace if you go through with it. It's not really a JSK that needs any modification - give it a little time and a couple of coordinates and you'll love the lace as it is. I agree with the other anons: definitely keep the lace.

>>8494575
so help me mana if you remove the lace on this i will hunt you DOWN

>>8498374
I actually love piercings, and I have a few myself. The only time I've ever been bothered by them is one pic of a girl with a lot of facial piercing, and they were three different colors (black, gold, & silver) and looked really imbalanced. I try to match my jewelry with my coord, or at least wear plain silver jewelry that doesn't clash. I feel like I should get some in gold, too.

Those girls are both pretty cute.

>>8494575
Consensus is: don't remove the lace. /cgl/ has spoken.

how would you whiten the lace on a bag? I just bought an old btssb ribbon heart bag in black x white, but it has some severe yellowing of the lace. any tips?

sorry if this is a double post,4chan messed up a bit
a couple of coords that I've just changed accessories and colours around with, so please concrit!
I have no idea if I love striped socks or hate them, but I have that same love hate relationship with punk loli!

>>8498541
I love this dress, but I don't like the black in the coord (except for maybe the shoes). It just looks wrong for some reason. I think if you wore the white blouse and wristcuffs, white lacey socks, and changed the headdress to white, it would look great.

Personally I'm not a fan of either of those socks, because I'm really picky about my lace.

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>>8498563
Some sort of matching plaid head accessory might also work. Maybe red shoes, as well? But I think black shoes usually look good in old school.

>>8498541
I think you need a smaller petti. also, I would use the blouse in white, white wristcuffs, white UTK and a white headdress. the black shoes can stay, though maybe change them out for a matt version

>>8498563
ahh the inspiration for the black came from how momoko wore the scallop version of this dress! I love the idea of using more white though! I do need better quality socks, they're just what I had lying around, I might just make good quality lace sock toppers though
>>8498574
maybe some small plaid bows on the buns? I also have red rhs maybe to keep the old school

>>8498603
Smaller petti I can totally do! I have one laying around, and when I get some money I'm planning on buying these shoes >>8460140

>>8498605
Ah, I see. I don't particularly like the black socks on Momoko, either. I think the plaid bows and the RHS could work. Black shoes are okay too, though.

The dress really is very cute. I've thought about buying it myself.

>>8498541
I actually like the first look for that kinda 'gives no shits' oldschool look, although I can understand why it might look nitpicky or borderline 'ita' to some anons. Anyway, I think you could do look 1 as is except replace the striped socks for the black x white lace ones (the stripes are 100% no with that jsk in my book). You could add a nice black ribbon neck bow too if you wanted to really strike a balance between the black and white with the red. A black x white or black x red bag would also look good.

If you're gonna do it anon, remember to not skimp on hair and make-up (what you have going on in pic 1 looks pretty cute from what I can see).

>>8498563
>>8498574

I do agree with these anons though that white headdress and socks would look the most polished. I just like the idea of you sticking with the black x white socks and headdress for another look - I just think it kinda has an air of cute but badass going on.

>>8498605
I think if her bag was black, black x white or black x red she would rock this look harder

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>>8498400
I did mean replace, not remove, but it appears that /cgl/ is a fan of the lace! Hopefully it will grow on me in person.

>>8498541
I think this would look really nice with white socks and a white headress. Or with the striped socks and a black and white headdress? I don't know, it just seems a bit out of place with all the black.

>>8494437
ugh I love that jsk
looking at it though it's probably really short and I'm 5'8. She doesn't look taller than 5'4

>>8499752
It is really cute! I unfortunately don't know the name of the jsk or this girl's height.

This pic is posted a lot, but I'm never sure if I like it or think it's ugly and has too much white lace.

>>8498520
Maybe try one of those tide stain pens on it?

>>8500486
hm, don't know if we have that here in our country. I might try vanish though

>>8475239
In my opinion, lolita lifestyle depends of your tastes. For example, i'm not into cooking, sewing (i tried with no success) but i love to create by myself cute jewellry, getting into hobbies like doll or minature collecting (vintage and kawaii dollhouse items), reading books, etc. I love both gothic stuff as well kawaii items. Lolita lifestyle need to be created from your tastes and not liking something you would never like, infact you are creating your own lifestyle and that is good.
>>8475341
I really like your blog, please post more!Are you interested to post something about collecting dolls or vintage miniatures/dollhouses? I see not many lolitas into dollhouses, it's a bit weird because it's really a lolita appropriate hobby.

Could anyone help me identify this dress?

>>8494575
The Lace Frill jsks are perfection in any color!
Great buy anon.

>>8503317
Definitely Baby/AATP

>>8503317
Btssb Amarette Ribbon

>>8503317
>>8503375
*Amaretto
http://lolibrary.org/apparel/amaretto-ribbon-jsk

>>8459916

Advice on how to coord this dress in black? Yes, I bought it.

Does anyone have any info on this Angelic Pretty OP, such as the name and year? I couldn't find it on lolibrary or hellolace

>>8503377
Thank you so much! I saved the picture from a sales post but couldn't remember the name. That's going on the wishlist.

bump

Does anyone know a place to get quality rectangle headdresses that doesn't require an SS?

>>8506291
I would recommend bodyline, I have one and 2 more coming up. they are really nice.

>>8506291
Seconding the Bodyline recommendation. I have one and it looks good.

>>8506309
Would you be able to post a photo anon? I'd really like to see what they look like outside of stock photos and coord shots.

>>8506291
I'd try secondhand brand sites occasionally closet child but Wunderwelt and Maiden Clothing should have more options. I'd choose anything from the main brands as long as the quality is good and they are suitable for oldschool.

>>8507721

>>8507757
It's so much nicer than I expected.
Thanks anon.

>>8507763
no problem. I also have one of their half bonnets, I could get you a pic of that if you want

>>8507768
That would be great thanks.

Also I was wondering where does everyone normally get there old school blouses from?

>>8507784

I can't believe it a modern photo with the original usakumya!

Do any of you own one or a more modern one?

>>8510836
That thing looks stupidly fluffy, goddamn.

>>8510836
It looks like a kawaii albino gorilla.

Dropping some old school bodyline, you gulls should never complain about about bodyline's prices ever again (er if we gloss over just how relatively expensive old school lolita actually was in general).

>>8461481
probably would have just passed over the other anons reply if you hadn't said that :^)

>>8512562
yeah, true. when I first saw that add, I was really surprised at how expensive bodyline was back then.

>>8512562
They look almost classy with that spread/layout.

>>8510836
I have one of the Pochette versions. They're ridiculously cute but you really can't wear them as a backpack, though the straps are designed for that. I usually hook one strap on my waist ties and the other around my front waist bow so it hangs there, it's kinda cute but I wish I had a big one... ONE DAY.

>>8513560
I have one of the big Usakumyas and I basically only use it as a stuffed animal. The highest clasp thing on it is at the base of its neck, so the head kind of droops when you're wearing it as a backpack and you can't really put much into it because of all the stuffing. I'm looking out for a Kuma Kumya rucksack right now but they rarely come cheap...

help pls

what type of flat shoes are acceptable/best suited for old school?

I was planning an old school coord for a con next week and already bought heels. But I ended up damaging the tendons in my foot and won't be able to wear them so soon.

>>8460555
>not in knock-kneed pigeon toe stance
wow, that's nice, i forgot what that was like

>>8512562
I'm so confused, where along the line did Bodyline essentially become the super cheapo non-brand? I remember in a thread way back people dug up the old website and it looked so much better, with really nice photos that actually centered around a Lolita aesthetic, but it still didn't seem to be clear when, where, or why it dropped out of magazine-advert quality.

>>8514018
Rocking horse shoes are technically flat, they just have a big platform.

>>8514018
maybe try mary jane flats or simple teaparty shoes will probably do too.

>>8514018
Honestly? If you're worried about your foot, just buy something along the lines of ballet-style flats. Your health is more important than having a coord 110% together. Plus, if you keep the flats really simple in design it won't throw off the coord much, if at all.

>>8514034
I was in that thread and remember the old site. When I was starting out I remember everyone saying that Bodyline started as a sex shop, but exactly how long ago if that's true? The Bodyline timeline really seems like a mess.

>>8514034
Thing is, even then this was pretty cheap by lolita fashion standards. For basic dresses etc, lolita used to be so much more expensive, relatively speaking. Even somewhat 'budget' brands like Cornet were generally more expensive than bodyline at this time.

Regarding the branding / image change, I reckon they realised they couldn't compete with the market and so went further down the 'cheap n cheerful' route. The shitty website fits into that image as well. They don't need to bother because they don't have to. It may seem odd, but they make so much more money now than they used to and don't need try to add any sense of prestige to their brand. A lot of Japanese folk wear bodyline for dress up at home and 'sexytime', concerts etc where they don't want to get their stuff ruined, and then there are poorfag school kids that just want to get in on nanchatte or lolita fashion on the cheap.

When I went to bodyline harajuku, it was predominantly high school age kids and what appeared to be cosplayers looking for wigs. There were also a handful of late 20s ish couples probably looking for fun stuff to spice up their sex life.

>>8514791
I don't get this either, other than a bunch of skimpy lingerie, they didn't seem all that more 'sex shop' like in the past. Bodyline had a bunch of ads since the G&L bible started if I remember rightly.

I wonder if bodyline was once part of a larger more 'sex shop' type store that then branched out and became mostly separate?

>>8515159
I'm guessing the lingerie and sexy costumes was enough for people to call it a sex shop.

>>8515159
I'm guessing the lingerie and sexy costumes were enough for people to call it a sex shop.

>>8476673
I have the tartan dress in green and cannot understand how to coord it...
It's really pretty thought and I don't think it'd sell if I put it up?

>>8517665
>I don't think it'd sell
...i'd buy it anon

>>8517692
I'm lowkey having an anxiety attack but if you're still interested, want to give me a throwaway email and I'll mail you next week?

Hey anon I've been looking for a green tartan jsk for a while and the one you have is perfect.

Sorry dropped email..

whaaaaaaaaat is going on w/cgl

>>8517597
that's what a 'sex shop' is to a lot of lolita fashion following people? Either I'm massively out of touch or people are massive prudes. It couldn’t possibly be anything other than those two things.

>it's got to the point where even I can't tell if I'm being sarcastic or not

>>8515159
Uhm, bodyline still looks like they are selling costumes for the bedroom to me.

>>8518481
I've heard Japanese lolitas sometimes look down on it because BL was known as a "sex shop". Maybe they just have different cultural standards. I wouldn't call that a sex shop.

>>8471999
So many AP blouses and OPs used to have those ribbons on the sleeves! I really miss those.

Aswell as boob ribbons. God I love boob ribbons.

>>8518503
Ditto. I could never take them seriously as a clothing store tbh. Maybe I'm just too much of an old fag and can't let go of the stigma.

>>8518620
I have a BTSSB op with the same sort of ribboning but am afraid to wear it to a meet as no one wears old school.

>>8493584
I've been looking for the dress on the left for years...

How did you build up your Old School Wardrobe?

What pieces/sort of pieces would you recommend for someone just getting in to Old School to build a cohesive beginners wardrobe (already a lolita or not)?

How about old school prints? I can't help but notice in this old school revival that everyone seems to prefer the solid old school items but not so much the prints?

>>8518674

>>8518706

>>8518706

>>8518716

>>8518674
The prints are rare and I think people just focus on the solids which are more attainable.

>>8518721
That makes sense.

I've been looking for this thumbalina print for years!

>>8518726

>>8518729

>>8518731

>>8518729

>>8518620
I was bored...

>>8514791
>>8515159
>>8517597
>>8518481
>>8518533
Not a sex shop but Bodyline first started as shop that sold fetish costumes only, inlcuding sex ita dresses and skimpy cosplay.

Pic related was one of their best sellers.

>>8518839
2002 Bodyline screenshot, they started to focus on lolita in 2004, you can look up their history https://web.archive.org/web/20040926063426/http://bodyline.co.jp/

>>8518620
Where can I get one of these old school blouses with ribbons like that? I like it too.

>>8518839
Uhm, that IS lolita, anon. Don't you know what ero looks like???

>>8518851
Was it really ever a 'fetish clothing only' store? I bought a bodyline lolita dress in 2003 and I remember the site even then being more of a costume / dress up store in general, with a bit of ero and sexy lingerie type stuff as well. Perhaps it's just a question of interpretation. I don't think it ever sold fetish gear and stuff like that. It was far tamer than say, Ann Summers stores for instance.

The categories in the side bar (as far as my beginner level Japanese skills can make out) are 'chinadress', gothic & lolita', 'costume', 'enamel corset' and 'bra & shorts' - not exactly super-fetishy but perhaps too far removed from lolita fashion for comfort for some people.

They had a whole bunch of 'china dresses' up until a few years ago, I bought one once but sold it on because of the odd fit.

>>8519022
You just need to look really hard. I've found a new on LM and Closet Child.

>>8519285
* a few not a new
>goddamn it

>>8519231
They still sell those chinese dresses but under the cosplay section, they also used to sell bootleg anime figures and I am actually surprised the section is still there.

Anymore good old school skirt coords? I need inspiration for my pieces, which are mostly skirts. (as a tall loli, I think jumperskirts look ridiculous on me... and underskirts are always too long! I'm definitely an old-school fanatic.)

Also, I'm having trouble matching coords for my newest blue gingham Meta skirt. I've got the long white bloomers and white socks, and I'm praying that Bodyline's RHS go down in price, but other than that I'm at a loss. Always stick to sax blue and white themes with old school? Or not?

>>8519651
I did see a long length old school baby JSK on good ol lacemarket. I'd scoop it up but I'm really short.
http://www.lacemarket.us/btssb-millefeuille-jsk/

>>8519677
Ahh, it's really cute! Thank you, anon! But unfortunately I'm afraid I'm not a fan of black. :C I hope someone scoops it up though!

>>8519356
I remember the figurines, I didn't realise they were bootlegs, I just thought they were cheap-ass licensed versions of nicer quality pieces - kinda like you can get with western toys and figurines. Naivety strikes again.

>>8519839
You're welcome! I hope someone gets it, it's super cute!

Pic related is a bodyline OP from 2003-ish if anyone's curious. It was also my first lolita clothing item.

The lace is awful, truly heinous stuff and the main material is thick and slightly coarse, now covered in bobbles. It still holds a certain charm however, I genuinely like the cut and design, so much so that I kinda want to make a pattern from it and remake it using higher quality materials. Also kinda reminds me of Antique beasT, making me wonder if it was a knock off or at least inspired by one of their older designs.

I'm tempted to make a coord with it after confining it to the attic for so many years, if only for silly-ass nostalgia sake.

The lace doesn’t look all that bad in photos or even in person (if you don't get to close).

>is what I've tried to tell myself

>>8518651
I think it's the same principle of building a lolita wardrobe in general (finding a favorite piece and working your wardrobe around it with basics), but sticking with more simpler styled pieces (minimal to no print)which you can find references to on lolibrary or hellolace by year. The outdated guides on lj might come in handy because they'll say things like investing in a pair of rocking horse shoes and knee socks, and I remember DIY was really big back then, even among Japanese lolitas (refer to Avant Gauche). You can also find inspiration in old FRUiTS scans (I think the book still exists).

Common old school pieces (from my understanding and experience):

>Blouses with detachable sleeves
>plain and ladder lace skirts
>knee high socks
>platform shoes, including RHS and mary jane platforms - usually black, even in sweet coords
>(empire waistlined) jsks and OPs with non-printed embellishments
-lace, ruffles, embroidery
>traditional headdresses, alice bands, mini top hats

I think you'll have a lot of luck finding unwanted older pieces for cheap on places like mbok and the Japanese yahoo auctions.

>>8520011
Maybe it would look okay if you replaced the lace. That lace is pretty terrible.

What is your favourite brand for old school?

Do you own any pieces from a non main brand (HeartE, Cornet etc)?

>>8520299
BtSSB all the way.

I have an old school skirt and blouse from Anna House, and they're both pretty good. Nice budget option. Pic related.

>>8520299
Baby for me too. Pic related is one of my dream dresses.

>>8520299
Baby is my favorite with Meta as a close second.
I have a bag from HeartE. I had a jsk from them at some point too but it didn't suit me so I sold it.

Baby The Stars Shine Bright and Meta are my favourite old school brands.

Pic related is my favourite dress Meta's three stage frill op. I'm halfway there to owning all colourways.

EVERYONE IS A FAGET!!!1

do you guys think colors matter in terms of old school? I feel like i see a lot of the same colors in these coords but would other colors work too, like purples or greens?

>>8520299
I love Cornet and older AP. Some of the older velvet pieces are stunning. *q*~~

>>8520299
Mary Magdalene but then again their style is still pretty much the same, love their coats.

>>8520593
all I can think of when it's purple or green and oldschool is Meta's velvet collection. they had a damn nice collection a while back, one colorway was dark purple x black.

>>8520666
Alice Chess is my dream print. I hope Baby does a rerelease of the JSK soon. I always get excited when I see it in the background of Kamikaze Girls, haha.

>>8520424
I love that print too, maybe obsessed with it might be a better word. Since I have two skirts and the jsk of it.

I can't wear head bows because as much as I love them, headbands give me nasty headaches no matter what I do. Bows also tend to not look good on me unless I wear them clipped to the back of my head, I think because I have fine hair and I don't wear wigs. I was always taught that old school head dresses would look bad on me because of my hair as well. My favorite style is old school sweet that's on the touch of the casual side, and almost all of my outfits are inspired by that.

I'm trying to come up with head wear that will suit me and still match the style I'm trying to aim for. Would wearing a full sized hat take away from that look too much? I noticed that sometimes in old school pictures, someone may not have worn any head wear at all, would this be okay too? And is it true that an old school style headband won't look good on someone with thin hair?

I'm just in love with BABY's older head bows but I can't wear them because I just can't figure out how to make bows like that work for me. Bums me out.

>>8518729
This showed up on CC in red a while ago and I'm still mad at myself for not snatching it up.

>>8521115
I also have thin hair (in addition to a tiny head, fml) and wide maxi pad-style headdresses tend to overwhelm me. I often go for full hats, but I don't think they really go that well with old school sweet.
Maybe you could try narrower headdresses or maybe those flatter headbows that clip into your hair rather than being attached to a headband.

>>8521220
I'll keep my eyes peeled for any smaller headdresses then. I'll have to see if I can't find some bows that are flatter and not on headbands too. I've been looking for a while but I haven't found anything yet, I don't think they are very popular. I know they make smaller clip in bows sometimes so maybe I'll try those sometimes, but like the hat thing I don't know if those really have the older look to them.

>>8521115
Could you wear a bonnet? Those are often seen in old school.

>>8521509
I've never worn a bonnet before actually, so I have no idea how it would look on me. I think bonnets are cute though, especially the softer kind, so maybe I'll have to see if I can find a cheaper one to try. Unfortuantly I'm a lone Lolita, so there's no borrowing other people's clothes to try on first.

>>8520011
It really reminds me of a classic (not the substyle) old school street snap pic. If you replace the lace, it's definitely wearable.

>>8519022
There's a similar one on closet child right now from Meta.
http://www.closetchildonlineshop.com/product/82270

I'm so in love with old school right now, please post moar pics.

What would be some old-school accessories or jewelry? I was putting together a coord and since I'm wearing an OP, I have a little open square neckline and I'm not sure what sort of necklace/choker/etc would fit the look. It's a fairly standard, black x white old school coord, so I'm very careful of adding things that might look off or too modern compared to the vibe of the rest of the coord.

>>8524814
a simple cross would be good or pearls, you can see people wearing those in the pic just above you. Crosses don't have to be super goth, especially if they're quite small and plain.

>>8459800
I use safety pins to create a sort of "belt loop" for the long straps on the inside/top of each sock. I was able to walk around a convention all day with no readjustments this way. You can get white and black safety pins to match or use nail polish to paint other colors so its less visible.

>>8525744

>>8525749

>>8520299
I personally like AP for old school items,all dat velvet.
I own some HeartE blouses and I love how comfortable they are! One even comes with a detachable collar layer so you can have minimal peter pan or double laceyness

>>8510836
I want my paris one back

>>8518729
please don't tell me you really think this is old school....... cries.....

>>85188is the tartan one ap?

>>8526279
Not the anon that posted it, but the filename has 2004 in it...which was technically during the old school time period, right?