/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

just to keep everyone in the loop: i've transferred a good portion of the style guides onto a tumblr blog. only volume 1 and 2 have been mainly completed. volume 3 is in the works but i'm taking a break for now. it's probably gonna take the longest due to how image-heavy it's going to end up being. let me know what you think!
>http://thelolitaguidebook.tumblr.com/

>>8166723
> oh wow, a mushroom print!
> goes to link
> tacky dress
Nooooooooooo.

Green petti girl here, this is what it looks like on. I'm the wearing the longest jsk I own.

>>8166795
IKTF. Someone posted it in the non-existent dream dress thread when I asked for a mushroom print and I was so disappointed.

>>8166789
I love the way you've done the layout. I would possibly suggest making the text on the sidebar ("HOME", "MESSAGES", etc) bold because at the moment it's a bit thin and quite hard to read, especially since it's light pink on a white background. I'll go through the text and nitpick and proofread now.

>>8166820
Length seems a bit long but the poof level could be worse, especially since that seems to be a light dress. I think that petti would work well for a longer-length velveteen skirt or dress.

>>8166789
Nitpicks for:
http://thelolitaguidebook.tumblr.com/thebasics

The phrase "although any person of any gender is free to partake in it" is clunky (I think it's the use of the passive voice?) I suggest replacing it with "although it can be worn by anyone of any gender".

Since you've already put that lolita's not associated with the book Lolita in bold, which makes it look like a hyperlink, I suggest turning it into a link to fyeahlolita's article on the subject. (And, while we're on the subject of fyeahlolita, a "Further Reading" section in the sidebar might be useful).

"An important concepts of lolita is the idea of modesty. Wearers are covered quite conservatively, opting to cover up to portray class."
This whole bit is clunky and parts are grammatically awkward. Is English your second language, or are you just tired? "Modesty is an important concept in lolita fashion. Its wearers dress in a relatively conservative manner, reminiscent of high-class fashions of the past." would be better phrasing.

AFAIK, "coord" is short for "co-ordinate" not "co-ordination".

I suggest using "Please refer to our dictionary for a more in-depth guide." rather than "Please refer to our dictionary section for more information.", even though the latter isn't actually incorrect.

The dress used to illustrate the A-line shape is a little very slightly bell-shaped. It might be clearer for newbies if you use a more obviously A-line dress as an example.

>>8166843
Nitpicks cont.


I love the fact you've done images to show waistlines, necklines etc. These sort of lolita design details are things the other style guides have all left out, although they're essential to get a correct feel for the style. I get the feeling that there are more collar styles than that, although I can't think of any off the top of my head. Also, what you've listed as a bib collar - the bib/yoke bit is the detailing on the chest, which there can be without that style of collar (e.g. you can have a peter pan collar blouse with a bib). The actual collar part is called a standing collar or stand collar.

Not 100% sure about all the sleeve names, but I'm no expert (for example, I would just have called witch sleeves bell sleeves or asymmetrical bell sleeves or tiered bell sleeves). I've also seen "bishop sleeves" called gathered sleeves.

>>8166723
I should have bought the skirt when it was released...

>>8166723
>those top left mushrooms

Not colorful enough for this print...

>>8166795
Same. I just reacted with disappointment too.
That feel when I love mushroom things.

>>8166789
Nitpicks for:
http://thelolitaguidebook.tumblr.com/styles

>Styles can be mixed or combined to create different fun and interesting outfits. When you are still new to lolita it is highly advisable to stick to one of the three main styles. Most of the sub-styles are more difficult to pull off without knowing what works and what doesn’t work. Plus, it’s easier to build up your wardrobe when working with one of the three main themes, rather than limiting yourself to one sub style.

There's a few things I'd change to tighten up your phrasing and make this flow better. I suggest:
"Styles can be mixed or combined to create different fun and interesting outfits. When you are still new to lolita it's advisable to stick to one of the three main styles, since there are less coordinate examples of the rarely-seen sub-styles out there so they're difficult to pull off without the experience to know what does and doesn’t work. It's also easier to build up your wardrobe when working with one of the three main themes, rather than limiting yourself to one niche substyle." TBH I'm still not entirely happy with the phrasing of this so I'm open to suggestions.

I wouldn't put "princess-y" as a defining feature for sweet, it conflates it too much with hime.

Rather than saying "Colour palette" I'd say "Typical colour palette". Otherwise you run the risks of noobs thinking only certain colours can be sweet, or, conversely, that pink is always sweet. For example, navy and bright red are also seen in sweet, they're just less common.

For classic it might be useful to mention that the style is often vintage-inspired or has Victorian or Edwardian influences in the defining features. Maybe replace "classy" with one of those?

Not sure "mysterious" or "mature" are defining features of gothic. Do other anons have any suggestions?

I wouldn't say pirate falls under the category of sailor, although they are related styles. You could say they're both nautical themes.

>>8166906
Nitpicks cont.

Rather than "There are more sub-styles than what is listed here, but" which is grammatically incorrect, I'd say "This isn't an exhaustive list, but"

You should probably mention that old-school is sort of a descriptor that can be applied to other styles. So you can have "old school gothic" (most common) and "old school sweet" and "old school classic" (rarely seen because it's mostly fug).

Minor nitpick: I wouldn't say kuro/shiro is either a style or a theme, especially if you're the sort of person that insists bittersweet isn't a style. It's just a colour descriptor.

I know it's rarely seen now, but if you're gonna mention country you might as well mention punk. And since it functions in a similar way to oldschool in that in some ways it's a descriptor that can be applied to gothic, sweet and classic, you might as well make an attempt at tackling casual. People may argue over the definition of casual, but since you're only doing one-line descriptions with one picture, I'm sure you can come up with something acceptable (a beret and turtleneck and skirt coord, maybe?)

>>8166938
Not that anon, but if you're including fucking guro you should definitely include punk.

>>8166820
Can you shorten it at the waistband? A lot of petticoats have two or three different channels sewn at the top so you can thread elastic through the right channel to get the length that you want.
I'd also remove the bottom tier, and possibly a whole layer of poof, but that's just me.

>>8166789
So in the sleeve section, I think it would be a good idea to find a princess/hime blouse and add that category. Those are distinct to me from bell or witch sleeves, and are pretty common in the fashion

>>8166843
>>8166845
>>8166906
>>8166938
howdy! thanks for the nitpicks. i'll be sure to clean things up as time goes on. i'm mainly basing text, pictures, etc on the google docs and have been tweaking things here and there. english is my first language but i sometimes have a hard time with wording. i type like i talk and the way i talk can be a bit off at times. idk. my brain goes faster than my mouth and that can result in weird sentence structures. i appreciate the help with this.

the defining features sections (and the sub-styles section as a whole) were taken straight from the google doc. i associate princess-y with sweet a lot so i don't really disagree with that, but i can see what you're coming from. i could make a note saying "not to be confused with hime; see below" or something like that?. would also like more suggestions on "defining features" in general; keep 'em coming! i do disagree with pirate though; they both fall under nautical and mentioning pirate in that same section works fine. i don't' think it really deserves its own section outside of that.

i can certainly add punk though. any other sub-styles that i should add? i want to keep them even-numbered as much as possible. i want to keep kuro/shiro though just due to it being popular back in the day. and "casual style" will be discussed in another section. it's not really a sub-style.

please feel free to drop pics for punk and casual coords though. just a couple will suffice. it helps me out immensely, especially since i don't know shit about punk lolita (by the time i got into lolita it was pretty much on the out-and-out).

>>8166821
i'll see what i can do about that. i didn't design the base theme so i'll go dive into its code to see if i can tweak it. that, or make the pink a bit darker.

thank you all for the help! please continue to critique and suggest ideas.

>>8166963
could you post some pictures of examples?

>>8166981
diff anon- for punk, some old Nana Kitade outfits would probably be a good idea, maybe some Putumayo coords?

>>8166789
Nitpicks for:
http://thelolitaguidebook.tumblr.com/anatomy

A waist cincher is a type of corset, so I wouldn't list both.

I'd say "underskirts are good for taller lolitas so dresses reach their knees" not "so their knees are covered", because it's not necessary for dresses to be quite that long.

I like your petticoat links!

I don't like this bit: "Aside from the petticoat, there are also other lolita-specific undergarments whose purpose tend towards being more about preserving the wearer’s modestly and being decorative than maintaining shape."
Lolita-specific kind of implies exclusive to lolita, and neither of these things are, so I'd change that. Perhaps this?
"While a puffy petticoat provides the quintessential lolita shape, and bloomers serve to preserve the wearer's modesty, lolita undergarments can also have a purpose that's more decorative than functional."

>Bloomers are generally not meant to be shown, but under certain circumstances, it is acceptable to have an inch or two of the bottom ruffle or lace peeking out of the skirt (mostly seen in oldschool styles)
I'd change this to "Bloomers are not generally meant to be shown, but in oldschool lolita it is sometimes acceptable to have an inch or two of the bottom ruffle or lace peeking out of the skirt.", since you don't really see the bloomer thing outside of oldschool, ever.

I'd add "(useful for tall lolitas)" in brackets after the bit about how underskirts can lengthen a skirt hem.

I'd add in that corsets can provide a hard shell preventing elastic waistbands from digging into your waist and distributing their weight more easily, which provides a good foundation for the layers of petticoats often seen in lolita.

Maybe add that excessive use of binders can damage breast tissue? And also list sports bras as an option for slightly reducing bust size.

>>8166981
There's a whole casual thread going on right now.
>>8163555
>>8163587
>>8163653
>>8165482
Are nice, I think (I might have accidentally linked a more otome coord though)

>>8166995
Nitpicks cont.

Some pronoun confusion in the main pieces category:

Should be "Jumperskirts (2nd img), or JSKs, are sleeveless dresses which have" or "A jumperskirt (2nd img), or JSK, is a sleeveless dress which has" not "Jumperskirts (2nd img), or JSK, is a sleeveless dress which has".

Similarly, change "Onepiece (3rd img), or OP, is a dress that has sleeves" to either "A onepiece..." or "Onepiece dresses (3rd img), or OPs, are dresses with sleeves".

Also maybe mention underbust JSKs in the JSK section, and that they're like a cross between a JSK and a high-waisted skirt?

I'd maybe add that their dropped waists and frequent lack of poof are another factor making salopettes unsuitable for lolita, and include a picture illustrating a salopette.

I'd append "because they are more associated with aristocrat" to "Ankle-length (and longer) dresses have been known to surface every once in a while, but their status as lolita are often debated within the community."

>>8166999
aah i should have been more specific: i'm looking more for magazine/official model examples. i'd rather not use other lolitas as examples in case they don't want their faces/coords on the blog. i'd rather use public domain stuff.

went ahead and fixed up the first two pages. >>8166995
>>8167005
will fix these as well.

>>8167017
Ooh okay gotcha.
I didn't know.

>>8166981
You're welcome! If you want, I'll drop my disposable email so we can work on this together. I've got a lot of experience of proofreading so I'm happy to help.

Yeah, a note saying "not to be confused with hime" sounds fine.

What I meant with the pirate thing was that rather than having "Nautical/Sailor" and then saying pirate falls under this category, you should just have "Nautical" as the bolded bit and then say both pirate and sailor fell into this category, keeping the existing list of examples of details found in sailor coords but also adding things that pirate frequently features, e.g. eyepatches, tricorn hats, asymmetrical detailing. Also I think it'd be clearer and more correct to call them sailor caps, not berets.

As for substyles, it's tricky. Most of what we have left (wa, qi, ero, and various crossover styles and common themes) is something I'm not that inclined to include, or is not lolita at all, like ouji. Of all of them, I think ero has the most claim to a spot - it's at least as deserving as guro, and as long as you include something nice and Antique Beast-y, could work.

>>8167033
Was gonna suggest something like pic related, although it's certainly possible to nitpick it, for ero until I saw the brand models/Bible scans request. I know I've seen examples featuring cage skirts in the Bibles but I can't find them in my folder.

>>8167019
no worries!! i should have specified. but if you can find some good examples i'd be so grateful. it's hard to find public domain examples sometimes.

>>8167033
if you want! i check /cgl/ very frequently so i doubt that i'd miss your suggestions. posting your critiques here is just fine. also i see what you mean with the nautical bit; it has been fixed.

i'm on the fence with talking about wa or qi, since 90% of the time it's ita. ero i don't even recognize as a legitimate sub-style but that's just me i guess. all three of these have one thing in common though, which is that they're almost always done in ita-tastic fashion. i don't know if i should honestly include them in a guide for newbies. Maybe mentioned for a line or two and warning that they are incredibly hard to do right? i'm fine with talking about guro at least because it's like a more...costume-y version of goth, i suppose, and i made it clear that it's really a seasonal sort of deal. i see it at least more frequently than wa, qi, or ero

>>8166981
>would also like more suggestions on "defining features" in general; keep 'em coming!
For me, a lot of gothic coords have a feeling of dark decadence or are like a creepy porcelain doll. Adjectives like vampiric, deathly, ghostly.

I would also add bats, cobwebs and witch/halloween to the list of common themes and motifs.

>>8167048
Could say clocks, keys, crowns and cutlery for classic although IDK whether they're common enough.

>>8167048
>>8167050
added!

>>8167045
See, I feel the opposite! I think ero has much more of a claim to being a style rather than a theme than guro does, and it's similarly difficult to do right. Perhaps one sees guro done more often for Halloween meets, but if you look online for coordinate pictures it's a heck of a lot easier to find ero ones than guro ones, of which there only seem to be a handful. But I definitely agree that wa and qi are to be avoided in a guide for newbies and would definitely not put them in. Maybe if you really want to keep them in pairs, and really don't want to include ero, get rid of either guro or shiro/kuro?

I'm off to bed now, so my disposable email is in the name field.

>>8167050
I'd take out clocks and maybe cutlery and add paintings and floral.

>>8167066
Paintings and floral are already on the list.

>>8167064
I really like the picture OP included for guro, but when you google image guro lolita 99% of the results are awful, whereas for ero lolita they're not so bad. If it's going to be cage skirts and Antique Beast, I support ero's inclusion. Just not if it's going to be bloomers and a corset or shitty mainstream goth/burlesque short dresses.

>>8167064
>>8167073
alright, since ero is being supported enough i'll add it in. would anyone be willing to do a short write-up on it? i'm not sure how to describe it besides "it's not just about the lack of a blouse under a jsk". a good photo example would be nice as well (again, only public domain stuff please)

Is it wrong to pair these shoes with this dress?

>>8167198
Not at all. Kind of a noob question considering the dress and the shoes are both sweet as fuck, but I'll let it slide since you asked nicely and didn't give some kind of sob story about why you're hesitant.

>>8167205
sorry anon, but that dress is not completely sweet. Looks like sweet-gothic with the colorway and crosses and shit. Shoes will be fine though.

>>8167205
>>8167231

Thanks guys, I just wanted to make sure. I saw something the other day about /cgl/ criticizing a gothic coord with sweet shoes and didn't want to be that guy. I appreciate it!

>>8167231
No shit Sherlock. Nobody said it was entirely, 100% sweet with no gothic elements whatsoever, just that it's a very sweet piece. What are you even trying to get at by pointing that out?

>>8167242
If someone else tries to argue the substyle of that piece just point at the cat-eared lollipops and remind them of the print name. Then moonwalk the fuck outta there.

>>8167242
Well, like the other anons are discussing/getting at, styles are not absolute and you can have some differing tones within each style. For example, a cute gothic print like your dress works perfectly with a cute shoe, while say a very elegant, mature gothic coord, say something with a solid Moitie piece, might do better with a more mature heeled shoe. Both are gothic, just with a different feel.

But yes, your shoes are totally fine for that dress.

>>8167252
Haha! Thanks anon, I'll make sure to do so!

>>8167257
That makes sense. I sort of figured as much, but again I just wanted to make sure. After lurking /cgl/ for so long, sometimes i feel like if I put together something, it's just not correct. I've become so self critical about every piece to a coord, even a casual one.

More nitpicks:

From the main page:
>Developed originally by the denizens of /cgl/, this guide was made to replace older, outdated resources to help new comers to the fashion get their foot in the door.
I suggest this be changed to the following:
>Developed originally by the denizens of /cgl/, this guide was made to replace older, outdated resources.

This gets rid of the misspelled newcomers, gets rid of the weird singular-plural issue at the end, and kills a bit of repetitiveness.

Is there anyway to change the order of the buttons in the sidebar? I think "Theme" should be absolutely last since it is just there as a credit--at first glance it seems like it would lead to a link to actual lolita themes, but perhaps this is just showing my unfamiliarity with tumblr.

From The Basics: What is lolita fashion?
>The fashion covers a large variety of sub-styles, and is generally worn by women, although it can be worn by anyone of any gender.
I suggest this be changed to
>>The fashion covers a large variety of sub-styles, and is generally worn by women, although it can be worn by anyone.
If it can be worn by anyone, then any gender is already included.

>The name “lolita” itself has unknown origins, but it is not associated Valdimir Nabokov’s book Lolita and its themes. It is also not associated with “lolicon” either. You can read more about the name “lolita” here.
The page you've linked to shows a tangential connection to Nabokov's Lolita, which throws doubt on the authority of the guide. It would probably be better to reword this section to something like
>The name “lolita” itself has unknown origins, but the fashion is not associated Valdimir Nabokov’s book Lolita and its themes. It is also not associated with “lolicon.” You can read more about the possible origins of the name “lolita” here.

>Within the community, there are lots of abbreviations and language used that new comers might be confused about.
"new comers" should be "newcomers"

>>8167264
That's good though. Always question what makes sense to you but don't let it stress you out. Don't let yourself get too comfortable with your instincts until you've got a couple of years of experience though, you'll thank yourself later.

>Please refer to our dictionary for a more in-depth guide.
Is there a dictionary? If so, it should be linked here; if not, this should be removed for now.

>Figuring out what cuts/designs you like the most and work the best with your body type might help you figure out what kind of sub-style of lolita you’d be interested in getting into.
I suggest this be changed to
>Figuring out what cuts/designs you like the most and work the best with your body type might help you figure out what kind of sub-style of lolita would be most flattering on you.

>Check out Volume 3: Anatomy of An Outfit for more information about petticoats.
Is there a point to numbering the volumes if there is no actual suggested reading order (in the sidebar)? I would suggest we just nix the "volumes" and numbers in this rendition of the guide. This would be a great place to put a link to "Anatomy."

>Waistlines
Is there any way to add the types of waistlines each image depicts underneath these images like they are for the other examples? This would add a more cohesive look to the page plus it would help readers by showing them immediately which waistline is which without having to scroll and read to figure out which is which.

From Volume 2: Styles, Substyles, and Themes: What are styles?
>When you are still new to lolita it’s advisable to stick to one of the three main styles, since there are less coordinate examples of the rarely-seen sub-styles out there so they’re difficult to pull off without the experience to know what does and doesn’t work.
This is an unwieldy sentence. Suggestion:
>When you are still new to lolita it’s advisable to stick to one of the three main styles since less examples of the rarely-seen sub-styles are available to draw inspiration from. More offbeat sub-styles can be difficult to pull off without the experience to know what does and doesn’t work in the more common styles.

What shoes is she wearing?

>>8167266
>>8167285
at this point i'm not too concerned with the theme link's placement. i'll worry about that when i fill out all of the theme sections first.
the dictionary is, obviously, not done yet, and will be linked to that part when it actually exists in case you couldn't tell, the page is a massive work in progress.

tbh i didn't read the fyeahlolita bit since i'm a lazy ass. i'll certainly take your rewording though; works out much better and leaves things to interpretation. also fixed "newcomers".

the volumes are another remnant of the old google docs, which suggest a certain order in which the guide is to be read. i'm gonna keep them for now so that newbies can get an idea of where to start reading. also i'm going to be putting the link there. again these things are minor; i'm focusing on the meat of the guide and major formatting before i comb things over. i also leave those there to remind myself to actually link to the pages. don't worry.

also i was actually going to be re-doing the waistline section pictures. just haven't gotten around to it yet.

thank you for the help!

>It’s also easier to build up your wardrobe when working with one of the three main themes, rather than limiting yourself to one niche sub-style.
Two things:
>working with
should be
>working within
and I know that the word "style" is being repeated a lot, but there are many themes within each sub-style--"themes" should be changed to "styles" in this sentence.

From Volume 2: Styles, Substyles, and Themes: Sweet Lolita
>(not to be confused with hime)
An external link to an overview of hime should be here.

From Volume 2: Styles, Substyles, and Themes: Classic Lolita
To maintain cohesiveness, ditch the period after
>jewel tones.
and these periods, too:
>crowns. Mostly non-prints.
Suggested change for the latter:
>crowns; mostly non-prints
Even better would be to overhaul the entire line to
>Common Themes/Motifs: Mostly solid colors; prints may include: flowers, paintings, books, clocks, crowns

From Volume 2: Styles, Substyles, and Themes: Gothic Lolita
To maintain cohesiveness, ditch the periods after
>ghostly.
>decadence”.


From Volume 2: Styles, Substyles, and Themes: Mixing Styles
>This can serve to either tone down the look, or add an interesting spin to it.
This is an unnecessary comma which should be omitted.

>From Volume 2: Styles, Substyles, and Themes: Sub-styles
The way this is formatted is potentially confusing to newfags who have no idea what each style looks like. I think it would be best to either show two examples of each sub-style and then have a description or format it so that there is one photo, description, etc. for each sub-style.

From
Volume 3: The Anatomy of an Outfit: Innerwear
>In more OTT styles
OTT should be defined here--it is the first time OTT is mentioned in the guide; a simple explanation in parenthesis will work nicely
>OTT (over the top)

Since images are being repeated here, would is be better to move some of the info from The Basics to Anatomy of an Outfit? Types of collars, etc. seem more relevant to the latter.

>>8167311
*link sections; my bad.

>>8167311
Just pointing things out as I see them.

Thanks for taking the bull by the horns and actually making the guidebook more accessible to the public. I'm the newb who was wanting to read an intro so just reading through these links has been educational; I should take a look through the google docs, too.

>>8167314
>an external link to an overview of hime should be here
hime is talked about in the same page. this isn't necessary. also there /are/ photo examples of the sub-styles. three for the main ones, and one each for the other ones. are you not seeing them?

>>8167307
Btssb but I dont remember the name.

>>8167324
also, the google docs:
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pZ6OOdQCTLkLoiFsak590IM8Jnm1lqfi4Zcu57zWMj4/edit#heading=h.k12mc8qr9gnm
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LI-q76NhLl9v4SV6MxdoHZSGmAc8sdQkS86uiSqk0rg/edit#heading=h.a6lpzbo5zil8
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pDKBtjkcO3hXhUWJkZq90cQuYldMRLYahldEMGR79L0/edit#heading=h.wyh0j2t2tqu6
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eLwvgB1nliKUkpYfhYkC9Vw0vfH8Det_lklduLv1Wok/edit#heading=h.k12mc8qr9gnm
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/14JpneeZuc8je2eZeR3FXi1seiggScobFEaqhKtvju8o/edit#heading=h.exrh8thy1hv6
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EIbQNBFxs07a5s43RMictQuVTG-BHx_mlAmZxwosFK0/edit#heading=h.rv2i10igrhjp
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/12OnsVV8AnFHaINJU06zxAQcGZ63Ibhc3uYocFPqhfXs/edit#heading=h.6ozbwiffoucy
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SpyfhnMgA-_lNLfgGJYQKG88bowG1d_WI1QQ_NPtLKU/edit (i'm not really gonna do this one. just going to focus on lolita and that's it. a person could write an entire guide on ouji/kodona, and that person isn't going to be me)
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/18J-c2yV9PzK1hPiq47wJAy1bKMSnc1RN4oMcjg4Oy_E/edit#heading=h.6ozbwiffoucy

also, needing some help finding a suitable picture for punk lolita. please post any suitable examples from public domain sources (ex. glb, kera magazines, etc); i would really appreciate it!!

also is this ok for ero?

>>8167330
>>an external link to an overview of hime should be here
>hime is talked about in the same page. this isn't necessary.
Agreed. I was pointing things out as I came across them and hadn't seen hime mentioned yet.

>also there /are/ photo examples of the sub-styles. three for the main ones, and one each for the other ones. are you not seeing them?
I can see them, but the formatting is confusing. I was suggesting a change to something like:
>photo of nautical example
>explanation of nautical style
>photo of country example
>explanation of country style
or
>photo of nautical example
>photo of nautical example
>explanation of nautical style
>photo of country example
>photo of country example
>explanation of country style

instead of the current
>photo of nautical example
>photo of country example
>explanation of nautical style
>explanation of country style

Starting out with these two the rest kind of make sense since I'm familiar with what nautical means in general and that the country pic is not nautical in any way, but not being familiar with old school, hime, etc. made those confusing--at first I thought they were both examples of old school since I have no idea what I'm looking at and the description seemed to work for both at first: "Basically the old (90’s, early 2000’s) version of any sub-style. Focus is more on lace/fabric/ruffle details than print details. Bows" As a newfag I have no idea what older or current styles are and I'm sure most other newfags are in the same boat. This weirdness and simple misunderstanding can be cleared up with a small formatting change.

Personally I would rather see two different example photos for each sub-style since there are already external links for two of them (which could then just be added as images), but that's just a preference--stylistically it would be better to split them up even if there's just one photo for each style since it enhances clarity.

>>8167307
They look like the AatP Cabriole Leg Ribbon Shoe but with cross straps (http://www.babyssb.co.jp/onlinestore/109p884/ )- there are loads of replicas around but I can't find this verson on the baby site.

>>8167345
Here's a more high-res version you can use. It's from an ad for Arachnophobia, Dada's brand.

>tfw haven't thought about Velvet Eden in years

>>8167353
i don't really see how they're confusing, since it's pretty clear which one is which. i could put it like "Nautical (left): blah blah blah" if they helps?? seems pretty self explanatory the way it's formatted right now. newfags are ignorant but they aint blind (at least, i hope not). SHRUGS.
also i'd rather not do two pictures for the smaller sub-styles; one is enough i feel, especially since i don't' want to focus on them too much. the main focus should be on sweet, classic, and gothic, especially for newbies.

>>8167368
dumbass me dropped the pic.

>>8167369
It would be very helpful to add (left) and (right) if the photos need to remain next to each other.

>>8167371
thank you!
>>8167373
done. also currently working on the anatomy section. tops are done. doing headwear now so if you want to look at it right now, it's gonna be a bit messy down there.

>>8167380
head wear is done. will work on the rest of the anatomy section tomorrow. goodnight!

>>8167285
Thanks for that last edit! I'm the original anon that changed it and I was worried it was too clunky but couldn't think how to fix it.

>>8167345
Not sure if I like that example for ero, it's too goth and not enough lolita for me. Lemme see if I can find something.

>>8167307
>>8167331
>>8167357
> BtSSB - Lumiere Shoes
> http://www.babyssb.co.jp/onlinestore/b38sh883/
Completely sold out in everything except for black size S

>>8167345

>>8167345
I realize this one is a bit debatable and on the edge.

>>8167345

>>8167345
best one imo

Would reviews on non-printed dresses be worth making?

>>8167495
*and not the popular ones, just general non-print brand.

>>8167495
I'd be interested to see them, anon. Crummy stock pics are part of the reason why I don't buy a lot of nonprint pieces, it feels like such a crapshoot.

>>8167497
As long as you take nice close ups of lace and shit yes, all reviews are appreciated. I love nonprint stuff and there are never review or pics of them anywhere!

>>8167446
I agree, but when I looked through the couple of bibles I own I got nothing. Got a couple of punk examples but, like that rep one, they didn't pass the "if you saw a newbie in CoF wearing this rather than a brand model in the GLB, would you still think it was lolita?" test. Pic related.

>>8167506
*like that ero one

>>8167506
>that bag
Fuck, I want. Does anyone know where I might find one similar?

>>8167512
Closet Child sometimes has shit like that from h. Naoto and Black Peace Now.

>>8167495
I like detail shots and a couple of comments about the feel of the materials. But I think calling them reviews is a bit much.

>>8167506
>the "if you saw a newbie in CoF wearing this rather than a brand model in the GLB, would you still think it was lolita?" test
Can we have this test for all coordinate examples?

>>8166820
ANON, ANON
Is it the short version?
Wanna trade for the long one, same jsk, same colour?

>>8166795
I own it. The dark red is cute and way less tacky in person. I think Putumayo stock pics are a bit like Bodyline stock pics.

>>8167541
Why, so only the most cookie cutter bitches can get a pass now?

>>8167578
No, because some brand releases are shit and some stuff in the bibles is gothic or punk, not lolita.

>>8167576
Good job anon, I think the red version (and possibly the tea/brown) are actually really nice, I was starting to question if I just had shit taste. If I could find either of these color versions I would definitely snap them up.

>>8167676
I would probably buy them even though I'm not totally keen on the design, because I think it's salvageable.

I'm on the fence about this because I don't want to look like a maid, but since I've started wearing lolita more often I realise I probably need an apron. Should I handmake one like pic related? Would it be better to buy one? Where can I get them other than maid places?

http://sew-loli.livejournal.com/395156.html

>>8167681
...anon, I've literally just been looking at aprons for presumably the same reason. I've started wearing lolita more often but I'm always scared af when cooking and my ordinary apron doesn't cover my dresses properly. I'll commence a dump now.

>>8167683
This is just a Bodyline costume thing but I like the embroidery and the apron's detachable from the shitty dress that comes with it. It's cheap enough (2499 JPY, so like $20) with the yen trick that I'd buy the whole thing and then only use the apron.

http://www.bodyline.co.jp/bodyline/showProduct2.asp?id=7542

>>8166723
Speaking of mushrooms hnnnng, how did I not see/know about this(?!).

Bunnies AND mushrooms, oh man, my ultimate weakness.

>>8167687
This is an Infanta apron that's wearable two ways - with the straps longer as a skirt, or shorter like a babydoll JSK sort of thing (pic related). Worn forwards it's an apron and backwards it's more like an overskirt. It's $30 plus SS fees.

>>8167688
Oh, I realllllly want that.

>>8167687
Are the sleeves detachable? I actually like the dress and apron, just not together. Would in theory, ditch the sleeves and wear in a simple old-schoolish type coord and then use the apron on something else.

>>8167691
Front view as skirt and link:

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3-c.w4002-1087129953.80.h4rMUz&id=38309116130

>>8167693
This Rakuten review pic shows it worn without the sleeeves, so I think it's sleeveless. Dress material looks shitty without the apron covering it up tho.

>>8167696
Worn backwards.

>>8167699
Thank you anon, so glad I can see this up close, yeah this definitely isn't going to be salvageable as old-school lolita as I initially thought - that looks like some seriously thin, cheap and nasty costume quality polyester right there. Passable as a cuteish maid or housework dress I guess, but that seems to be the limit of it.

>>8167701
This is $33 + fees from Surface Spell. This is actually my favourite of the lot, but I think it's a little long for most of my dresses.

(I think the table underneath might refer to two different length options, because one box says 58cm and one says 88cm, but there's only one size option in the cart and my OCR image-to-text has turned the Chinese into garbage).

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3-c.w4002-5203989144.47.pxUzwY&id=41495997002

>>8167714
Front view.

>>8167717
Back view. And that's all I've got! I'm sure there are more nice-quality lolita aprons on Taobao, but I don't have the links.

>>8167713
No

>>8167718
what is your issue here anon? they said it was only passable as cheap maid outfit for indoors or housework and nothing else, to which I concur.

>>8167714
That's actually a really pretty apron, would wear.

>>8167688
meh, I hate the rabbits and the clocks. It looks more like an alice in wonderland print and I can't stand ths shit anymore since it's the most overdone theme in lolita fashion.

>>8167772

I share your feels anon. I'd love the mushrooms by themselves, but nope, random ass rabbits and clocks had to be added to it. Makes it too alice in wonderland-y.

>inb4 but that's what lolita is allllll about hdu not like it

>>8167772
I could probably do without the clocks too anon but as for the theme, as long as I like how something looks in itself and enjoy the source material/ inspiration (if there is any), I don't mind how seemingly overdone something might be. We all have our bugbears though, I can't stand anything with crosses on it for instance and when crosses became flavor of the month it just reaffirmed my hatred for them.

My favorite colorway is probably the navy, I'm still debating if I should get it.

>>8167808
I think the bright warm colors look beautiful on the navy but I didn't quite understand the color and cut choices with this release given the target audience. Navy and underbust cuts generally trend towards their more dark-jeweltone-gothic-classic leaning customers but the print is clearly trending more towards their classic-sweet customers. I think it would have been better for them to do sax instead of navy and some kind of cuter pinafore just-waist style JSK in addition to the high waist cut. Just seemed like a strange design decision.

Any idea what I can do with spare waist ties?
My friend gave me them from a dress she doesn't have anymore and they are too beautiful to throw away. Pic semi related but actually a print from baby.

>>8167808
>>8167776
>>8167772
I also hate the colourways.
I just want a cool scientific-illustration style mushroom print, goddamn it.
Or at least a more earth-toned print.

>>8167465
I really like this.

>>8167495
Since I love non-print dresses, I'd love to see reviews anon! I'd take close-up pics of the dresses and any cute details like buttons, lace,etc

>>8167681
If you want to wear it while cooking and stuff I'd recommend avoiding white fabric, because you will stain your adorable apron and then you will be sad

source: my life

>>8167895
oh fuck, opps I forgot to remove email! Shit sorry.

>>8167772
I've never understood the hold that Alice in Wonderland has over lolita fashion. There are so many fucking Alice/rabbit/whatever prints, it's too much.

Maybe one day I'll give in, buy an Alice themed dress and finally read that book

>>8167688
I was so looking forward to this but then I saw that it only came in pink, sax and navy. From the original scan I thought it came in cream...

>>8167242
>gothic coord with sweet shoes
Tbh this sounds cute as fuck

>>8167688
What brand is this?

>>8167755
Sorry, just noticed that. It was supposed to say "No problem!" not "No"

>>8167912
I did really like Alice in Wonderland the book before I got into lolita, but I can't into the amount of Alice stuff there is, mainly because I never wear sax.

>>8167908
B-but every apron I can find is either white or cream.

>>8168122
Whoooops nevermind.

>>8167578
>>8167658
Not to mention :
WHAT LOOKS GOOD IN A PHOTOSHOOT OR ON THE RUNWAY, MIGHT NOT ACTUALLY LOOK GOOD AS AN ACTUAL OUTFIT IRL

is it just me or will Innocent World never going to restock their OTK lace top socks.

Is Metamorphose really going to re-release Vintage Cameo? The dress was in Kera a month or two ago. I wonder if they're pulling my leg or not. It's the only dress I want to buy recently. Most of the prints releases have been so-so and I haven't been wearing lolita due to my existential crisis.

>>8168193
Woah, they are!? I'm so sad I missed out on it, so this is exciting to hear. What'd you see about it?

>>8168197
It was published in a recent issue of Kera which then got posted on Lolita Updates. You can see part of Jewel Leopard. I just want that dress on my body so I can wear it. Come on Meta, stop teasing me.

>>8168209
Uggghhhhh please Meta put it up towards the end of the month so I have time to save for it...

>>8168211
I thought they would have re-released it by now, but they didn't. I think it was published in March's issue of Kera. I already got the wristcuffs for Christmas.

>>8167687
>>8167696
>>8167714
Thanks for the links, anon! I didn't expect so me by replies. I actually really like the Infants apron so I might add it to my next Taobao order.

>>8168126
>Sorry, just noticed that. It was supposed to say "No problem!" not "No"

kek I thought it seemed incongruous that you could be the same super helpful anon that then suddenly went all sandy /cgl/ out of nowhere. I like you even more now.

>>8167810
Ah, I actually love the sweet print with a mature cut look - it's more my thing since I'm an oldfag with a soft spot for gothic-classic and otome, especially Jane Marple stuff (it also reminds me of more retro styles where cute prints on otherwise feminine but mature clothing wasn't unheard of).

I do kinda agree with >>8167831 regarding the scientific-illustration style mushroom print dress thing though, in fact any biology illustration print would probably float my boat, hell I'd loose my shit over a Super Kawaii Slime mould print.

tl;dr oh hell yeah, doesn't seem to be that popular, hopefully some still left come payday

>>8167819
I would probably just make a little make up bag with them. Do you have anything in your wardrobe that they would match? It'd be silly to make a hair bow or something if it wouldn't match anything anyway. You could maybe have enough for a kindle case? A sunglasses case? There's a couple things you could do.

>>8167810
Ah, I actually love the sweet print with a mature cut look - it's more my thing since I'm an oldfag with a soft spot for gothic-classic and otome, especially Jane Marple stuff (it also reminds me of more retro styles where cute prints on otherwise feminine but mature clothing wasn't unheard of).

I do kinda agree with >>8167831 regarding the scientific-illustration style mushroom print dress thing though, in fact any biology illustration print would probably float my boat, hell I'd lose my shit over a Super Kawaii Slime mould print.

tl;dr hell yeah, the Innocent World forest mushroom doesn't seem to be that popular, hopefully some still left come payday

What is the deal with the overskirt on Dream Marine? The pics from the fashion show have it but it is nowhere on the op or jsk sold.

>>8168568
I don't even wear lolita anymore but fuck, I want this.

>>8168568
What are the lace tights that the middle model is wearing? Have those been released yet?

Does anyone happen to have the official waist measurements for the size Petite and Small dresses and skirts for Crowning Glory? PepFox's site and tumblr doesn't have any of their sizing listed anywhere that I can find and it's not on lolibrary, I don't know where else to look.

>>8168648
http://www.peppermintfox.com/collections/clothing/products/crowning-glory-ii-dress

>>8168662
Is CG2 the same as CG1 or are the dresses the same as the skirts? I wasn't sure if I should go by these since it was a new material/release.

>>8168678
If you want I can just message on of the girls on facebook asking?

>>8168684
If you don't think that would be a huge bother that would be really kind of you! I did send an ask to their tumblr months ago but it never got answered from what I could see, I don't know if it got eaten or what.

Will this release crash AP's servers as well?

>>8168901
>>8168906

omfg...

>>8168901
>>8168906
Fuck.. I'm so conflicted. I love the print but the style looks so cheap and bodyline-ish.

>>8168906
>FRESHWATER ANGELFISH
>ON A SALTWATER PRINT

WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING TO ME
I AM AS SALTY AS THE OCEAN RIGHT NOW

>>8168944
m-mermaids can live in rivers too anon..!

>>8168944

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed jfc. It seems we'll never get a good accurate fish print, anon. sob

>>8168568
Fashion show versions are usually more ornate than general production items. For example, on the fashion show ver of Milky Cross, the overlay was longer and all the crosses were sequined.

>>8168901
Oh god...I didn't love this at first, but hnnnngg.

Any word on the release date for the University OP yet?

>>8168959
Not that I've seen, but the next volume of Kera comes out at the end of the week, so hopefully there will be something in it.

>>8168944
kek. you could always try to convince yourself that they're mutated/magical Moorish saltwater angel fish

>>8168944
They aren't angelfish, they're angelicprettyfish. So they naturally gravitate to salt.

>>8168769
She said that all their dresses have the same sizing and should say that in the garment and shipping guide.

>>8169040
>mfw

>>8169040

>>8169040
>Kek
That got a chuckle out of me

>http://thelolitaguidebook.tumblr.com/anatomy

LGB-chan here again. tonight i'm working on more of volume 3. thanks again for the ero and punk examples! more ero examples would be great but i think i'll stick to >>8167371 for now, unless anyone posts something better.
i'm also looking for a short write-up for the ero and punk sections of volume 2. i'm not really sure how to describe ero in particular. thanks in advance!

>>8168958
That was a huge disappointment. It was my dream dress but the release was so meh..

>>8169101
volume 3 is now complete! enjoy.

>>8167908
>>8168126

I thought the entirely white aprons were supposed to be better, since you could bleach the whole apron over and over again until the threads give up and die.

Not like a print apron will be magically spotless, some stains are still going to be visible no matter what.

>>8169295
>http://thelolitaguidebook.tumblr.com/construction
volume 4 is now being built. i'm going to bed now but here's what's going on so far. help with the "good quality" section would be appreciated.

>>8169101
Seriously thought that said LGBT-chan for a sec

Meta's new print.

>>8169516
Looks cute, too sweet for me from the looks of it

>>8169516
It was even in Kera! last month. Fancy that.

>>8169516
Dat shoop on the models face, yikes.

>>8169516
Cute as heck but nothing very interesting IMO.

Do tall lolitas look stupid in salopettes? They're so so so cute and I really want one but I'm 170cms tall and pretty lanky so I'm worried that I'll look like a joke

Anyone knows anything about the Grand Tea Party in Germany? I can't find back the Facebook page at all..was it cancelled??

>>8169516
>Yo I put a dress on your dress so you can feel extra dressed in your dress

Seriously, why put just a fucking dress in the print? It's one thing when it's being worn by a figure or part of a room setting or something, but come on, meta

>>8169516
I like one of the cuts being tutu-esque, but none of the colors seem to impress me.

Would there be any interest in MM style cardigans? (Pic related)
As its been a while since MM released any, I was considering selling my own.
Not intending to replicate them, just inspired by.
I'm currently sourcing manufacturers, for pricing quotes, and at the moment I'm looking at a price point of max $150. Depending on the quotes and interest to as if I continue with the project, too high a manufacture cost and I know not many lolitas will shell out prices higher than brand cost and I won't make money.
I didn't want to start investing into this if there was minimal interest, or people would just much prefer to buy cheaper Taobao options.

>>8169803
Tbh it seems pretty simple to buy a plain cardigan and embelish it yourself. There's no shortages of round neck cardigans with a nice cable knit pattern. So no I would not pay $150 for a sweater that I could do up myself for about $40. Some girls aren't quite so handy with a needle though, so who knows?

>>8169544
5'5" isn't considered to be tall, anon.

>>8169803
I don't think there are a lot of people willing to shell out this much for a no-name cardigan. Especially when they can make them themselves or find something similar on taobao

>>8169835
170cm is 5'7" though?
But you're right, it's still not that tall.

>>8169731
It's not cancelled as far as I know. There is something wrong with the event page and Coco Milk's (Chokelate) facebook account.

>>8169417
not that far from the truth tbh considering that i'm dating a woman right now haha

>>8169803
I think that there may be high interest in cardigans like AP knitted hearts cardigan as they are not as plain as the one that you've picked. Try look into them.

>>8169803
Yes, but not for those kind of prices from some no name tbh. I'd rather just buy new brand boleros/cardigans for that price.

>>8169803
I am super interested, though I'd prefer a pricepoint under $100. I love more subtle, almost-normalfag-but-elegant cardis like this. I actually have that cardi on my wishlist. If you can do custom colors, even better. Do you have somewhere to look at your work/keep contact for this?

What is GlassWorldMasquerade on etsy like? I just really want a black and white rose print and my dream dress will never turn up on secondary markets.

>>8169544
Listen, gurl, I'm lanky and tall-ish too, and we look so damn good in salopettes.

Wear some cute tights and low heels to make your legs look really good, and rock it.

>>8170809
Woah, that's beautiful! Never heard of this shop before so seconding reviews.

>>8170819
Thanks anon! I guess when I said tall I should've said "taller than the average lolita that I've seen wearing one"

>>8167810
I love classic-sweet, simpler/mature cuts, and navy. Not that what you said isn't a valid point, but that's probably my top 3 lolita preferences. Maybe I should buy this dress...

>>8168901
Does a closer picture of the print exist? I love mermaid stuff but I can't really tell what's going on there

>>8171041
nvm I'm retarded

>http://thelolitaguidebook.tumblr.com/construction
>http://thelolitaguidebook.tumblr.com/getdressed

parts 4 and 5 are up! part 4 is pretty much done and part 5 is a work in progress.

>>8171261
Thanks for moving these over.

More nitpicks:
Vol 3: Anatomy: Innerwear
>For left to right: Back Frill Bloomer
Typo
>From left to right

From Vol 3: Bags
>Most brand bags do not have a lot of room to store items in, so keep this in mind. Many lolitas carry just the essentials in their bag (phone, wallet, makeup, medicine if need be, etc) or will even carry multiple bags, especially at conventions where they might be carrying a lot of items that are all important.
I think this can be streamlined a bit:
>Most brand bags do not have a lot of room to store items in so many lolitas carry just the essentials in their bag or will even carry multiple bags.
Most people know what their own essentials are and there are many places where people may need to carry many things.

>From left to right:
This needs to be light blue to fit in with the other sections.

Vol 3: Jewelery
>Jewelery
>Jewelry is
One spelling should be chosen for cohesiveness.

>Jewelry is also not an essential part of a lolita coordinate, but does add detail and cohesion to an outfit.
I'd ditch the "also."

A Note On Piercings and Body Modifications
It would make more sense to nix the first sentence and make the last sentence the first so that it reads like this
>As a rule of thumb: the fewer body modifications, the better. One will not exactly fit into the cute, girly aesthetic of lolita with huge gauges in their ears or with full tattoo sleeves. Nose rings and tongue piercings are also not received well. When it comes to piercings, most lolitas either take them out when wearing lolita, or will coordinate their piercings to match the coord. Most tattoos will be covered by your layers of clothing, especially torso and leg ones. If you are going to show your tattoos, keep in mind whether or not it will be a distraction to your coord, or if it plays off it well. If it will distract and lower the quality of the coord, cover it up.

I just purchased a slightly less popular AP print skirt off lace market. I don't really want to wait for the headbow to turn up so I'm considering buchering the waist ties to make a hair accessory. Is this a terrible idea? How far will I depreciate the value by doing this (purchased for 120)? Should I just make something generic instead?

>>8170809
It's actually Daisy Daisy! They are selling some things through Lolita Collective, and they recently put out a "Lost in the Woods" jsk which was shared on Lolita Updates. Their fabric print choice can be a little hit or miss though, but it looks like solid construction.

http://daisydaisy.co.kr/

>>8171261
Thanks anon for your hard work! Do you have a throwaway email so other anons can send edits/notes?

>>8171733
forgot pic

>>8171617
>http://thelolitaguidebook.tumblr.com/construction
>What is “good quality”?

>Generally speaking, the following are examples of what is considered the hallmarks of “good quality”
Tightening it up and fixing singular-plural issue:
>Here are examples of the hallmarks of “good quality”:

>- Quality lace (see below)
Should be on the next line

Add a period at the end of the description of chiffon.

>>8171283
ooh, this is beautiful

>>8169811
>>8169842
>>8170339
Fair enough guys. I guess my thought process was because they would be high quality garment (ie. Angora blends) and with the rise of classic there might be a market for it. Also I had seen this on many peoples wish lists lately ( including mine).
Thanks so much for your input, its appreciated!

>>8170187
I'll have a look at that, thanks. I didn't really bother to travel down that path because I myself am a classic lolita, so it doesn't fit my designers aesthetic (selfish, I know) and also AP releases so many cardigans I didn't think there was much of a shortage. But I will definitely look into it, thanks!

>>8170657
I was considering a variety of colours, probably would have been a future step if business was going well. The price point was just an initial estimate, which could go either way depending on manufacture quotes, raw costs plus I have to make it worth my time. The price is going to be higher because the runs are going to be quite small, also being located in Australia means things cost m uh more than say the US, still that means my $150 is currently US $120. But with all the response I'm not seeing too much interest, so I might just go ahead with singular runs for myself.
I haven't really documented anything I've created to this point but if you are still interested/ want to keep updated throw away email in field, email me and I'll let you know how things progress.

>>8171742
Do you know how accurate their measurements are?
Their site says
S(55) : 88 : 74~81 : 90

M(66) : 94 : 81~87 : 90

L(77) : 100 : 87~93 : 90

My bust falls into the M category, but my waist is 72cm so I'm wondering if it would fit funny..

>>8171617
>>8171747
thanks again! everything has been fixed accordingly.

>>8171737
you can send the blog an ask anonymously!
>http://thelolitaguidebook.tumblr.com/ask

>>8171261
Did you really need to mention GLW's alleged racism? I know this is tumblr but shit got nothing to do with a style guide.

>>8171885
It's ロリィタ not ロリータ
The second one is used for lolita complex, the first one is preferred by japanese lolitas to difference themselves from the first one.

>>8169803
I'd buy 2 for $30. Maybe 1 for $40.

>>8169544
Kind of depends on your proportions. If you have a long torso it probably won't work, but if you're all legs it could look super cute! It also helps to have a smaller bust. If you're tall + big bust I wouldn't risk it.

>>8171647
Just make a generic one. Its just as cute and using the waist ties will just make your headbow look like a replica anyway

Anyone go to RuffleCon last year? Any good? Planning to attend RuffleCon 2015?

Finally a moth print! Opinions?

Coming to you seeking coord help. I've bought everything in the picture minus the blouse. Should I go with the Infanta one or is it a little too elegant looking?

I tried to match most of my accessories to the print theme and the details on it but this is my first coord so I'm having second thoughts about everything. This is just to wear around at an anime con in summer since I'm not interested in joining any EGL groups because I'm pretty far away from where they meet up.

>>8172667
And I'm just buying plain white ribbon knee high socks from Mu-Fish.

>>8172662
Oh hell yeah!! I really like it but I'd probably ditch the bow as I think it looks a little awkward. it's also a shame the hem doesn't have a little pleat detail or something similar on it too to avoid that 'I just sewed a strip of lace to th bottom' look. All in all though I think the print and color combo saves it.

>>8172662
I want to like it but the construction leaves a lot to be desired (it's not that bad, but it looks pretty mediocre) and I'm not digging the three different shades of lace. I would also like it more if there weren't fish on it, doesn't really go

>>8172039
Actually, ロリータ has been used for the fashion for a lot longer than ロリィタ, and the former is used in publications such as the G&LB.

To the person doing the Lolita Guidebook, you've mislabeled the brand for the third picture under gothic. It's Moitie, not Atelier Pierrot. A pretty nooby mistake to make...

>>8172667
I really like this anon, it's not that the blouse is too elegant looking though, I think it's more that the neckline isn't really going to be complimentary to this style of jsk - I'd go for something with a higher neck and more of a collar. Pic related bodyline blouse actually looks really pretty to me, surprisingly nice looking lace etc and reviews I'v seen about seem to agree.

>>8172707
How about you shut your whore mouth and appreciate that someone did something nice for no money?

>>8172662
Sauce?

>>8171767
120 usd dollar is pretty high for me considered there is still shipping too and I am a eurofag.

But I would be highly interested in cardigans with a more quality look. There are not much cardigans around which look like the knitted MM ones. I would pay 80 USD including shipping for one.

>>8172724
I actually looked at this one but wasn't entirely sure because I've heard so much about how bad Bodyline lace blouses with them being uncomfortable. I do like it though. If they ever do that 20% off March sale I'll get it.

I do like the Infanta one but Yoybuy says there's only 7 left anyway so they're probably already sold out. I didn't notice before.

>>8171283
The green and white colorway are my favourites!

>>8172738
Oversensitive much? Would you rather it be inaccurate or for people to point out the things that need fixing? They weren't even impolite, you sound crazy.

>>8172662
Lovely print and colors, not fond of the rest of the execution.

>>8172758
Cloudberry Lady.

>>8172826
> A pretty nooby mistake to make...
>They weren't even impolite, you sound crazy.

>>8172695
I have to admit I kinda like the look with fish and all...

>>8172887
I think it goes surprisingly well together. The dark version is like thick dark opulence. A bit like the direction I imagine guro lolita should be like.

>>8172887
I actually prefer this cut but in the darker teal color anon originally posted. I love the theory of supporting indie designers but tbh when I saw it I thought it was from a cheaper taobao brand, I like it but not for 250€.

I get that it's a ballache to actually make any profits and a worthwhile business when you single handedly make your clothes and manage the brand, but the truth is I would never pay 250€ for a dress like this. I genuinely wish them luck though and perhaps if they are able to address a few of the construction issues whilst not inflating prices further, I may consider buying in the future.

>>8172932
I'm considering getting the skirt in blue but I used up my budget by way too much. I also don't like the light color lace.

>>8171767
Angola would actually reduce your market because some people consider its production cruel. I suggest cashmere blends instead.

>>8172100
I'd pay $60 max.

>>8172702
So then anon should list both.

>>8166789
Would anybody be interested if I offered to translate this into spanish? I'm from Latam, a great amount of fellow Lolitas here speak zero english...

>>8172724
That's the only Bodyline blouse I've heard good things about. IDK what the material quality is like but the lace is definitely good.

>>8172932
This cut looks fug with that droopy lace. I do think the fish match the theme though- there's moons on the print too and both fish and moths are attracted to the moon.

>>8173159
Maybe you should ask fellow Spanish lolitas if they'd be interested, since they're your target market. I'd be interested if you did a translation with good grammar, since I've been learning Spanish for a few years and I'm going there over the summer so I'm always looking for texts to practice on that are about topics I actually care about.

>>8167819
Haircombs / Headbows / pochettes / rosettes

>>8173290
This is definitely something I will considre, thank you.

The Snow Field officially shut down.
I'm a little sad that I'll never get the chance to order a Wolf in Frame skirt... (not that they had done a rerelease in forever anyway).

>>8173379
I kinda wonder what happened. The behavior of the owner was pretty unacceptable. No excuse for disappearing except severe injury or death.

>>8172028
yes. they are not a good company and thus i feel that i should warn newbies against buying from them. pretty sure newbie black lolitas would like to know that, hey, this popular wig shop that people might recommend to you isn't good and has pulled some racist shit in the recent past, and maybe you wouldn't like to spend your money there. even if you don't think that what they did really was racist (it was), their quality has gone down in recent years, and thus should be avoided on that alone. end of discussion.

>>8172039
>>8172702
i'm just gonna go with what glb is using. hellolace uses ロリータ as well. makes it easy.

>>8172707
i'm just going with what was included on the google docs originally (which labeled it as atelier pierrot). also, not everyone is going to be a goth expert. i'm certainly not because, hey, i don't wear goth, therefore i don't really care about goth brands/know all that there needs to be known about them, especially when it comes to a non-print. chill; i'll fix it.

>>8173159
only if you really want to. it's a /lot/ to translate and tbh if a spanish-only speaker stumbles across it, they could slap it into google translate and get decent results at least. if you're up to the task of tackling it and re-posting the blog's information elsewhere in spanish, go ahead! but it's gonna take a long time.

>>8173379
damn that makes me sad ): the wrist cuffs i've gotten from her and some of the softest i've ever had outside of brand. was going to recommend her in the buying section but i've heard that people weren't getting their orders in a timely manor and now they've finally shut down. bummer. i hope you find wolf in frame second hand somewhere!

>>8173178
Ugh maybe not then... If some seagull asks for it I'll do it. I don't want my comm and nearby comms to know I browse CGL. I check in quite often, if somebody requests it I'll find out and offer again.

>>8173147
Only if you're buying from China or something. Proper "harvesting" won't hurt the rabbits.

Anyone know who to go for some simple but quality commissions? There used to be some great seamstresses/seamster/people what sew shit on livejournal but I have no idea where to turn these days. I'd really love to get some skirts made up using some of my favorite fabric.

>>8172932

Ugh I really wanted this but the reservation is only until the 15th I think. I need to hold on for Marine Kingdom so bye bye cute moth and fish print

>>8173584
Yeah but your customers don't have any guarantee of where you're getting it from so most that care will avoid it anyway.

>>8173563
The I don't think their quality has gone down. As in, it went down from their early days, but then went back up. Their recent stuff, from the years before the scandal broke, like the Lady Amara collection, was good quality, realistic-looking with nice fibres and a nice blend. So I would certainly recommend some of their collections on the second-hand market even though I'd no longer pay their prices new.

It's all irrelevant to your racism point, I just see the "GLW quality has gone downhill recently" thing repeated a lot, and if "recently" is defined as the past year or so it actually hasn't.

>>8173563
Yeah, Princess Peachie is a well-known YouTuber a lot of lolitas got into lolita from and she recommended them in a video. It's years old but newbs don't think about timestamps. So have other YouTubers, even ones that weren't sponsored by her.

>>8173569
Well people will find it on Google eventually even if they don't browse /cgl/ so it could be worth doing for the sake of new people Googling "Que es lolita?"

>>8173595
Your pic's skirt is from miscy... dunno if she still takes commissions but she's on facebook at /miscyEtsy I think. I just remember that skirt from her tutorial she posted forever ago.

>>8173595
If you want something that simple, and you're doing five or six skirts, it's probably easier and perhaps cheaper even if you have to buy/hire a machine, to do it yourself. A seamstress is only worth it if you want a complicated design or a dress.

>>8166723
for anyone who has this skirt, for the love of god can any one suggest a white that matches the white on the skirt?

>>8173631
quality can be subjective i suppose. me personally, i think they've down down in quality, plus i've seen others who think similarly as well (within the past 2-3 years). i don't like a lot of their color blends and they're too shiny for my tastes. like, i can /tell/ they're wigs even when they're in a natural style/color, and for the prices they're at, i don't want that. their curly wigs in particular look pretty fake. if people still want to purchase from them, that's fine! but i personally don't recommend them. one can get way more bang for their buck elsewhere. $40+ for a short synthetic wig is pretty pricey for the quality GLW has. i could get the katinka from arda wigs instead of GLW's lolibob and save $10 and get pretty much the same wig. the only thing that really stands out from them is rhapsody, but now you can find knock offs from taobao that are pretty good quality and are half the cost.

plus i just can't in good conscious recommend a company that i know for a fact whitens the skins of their darker models. i've got standards.

>>8173751
*gone down; my bad.

>>8173751
No one said to recommend them.

>>8173767
i know.

>>8172724
>>8173163
OP again. I just checked the blouse in question and the bust measurements are about 4cm off for me and that's when wearing a sports bra.

Would pic related be alright? It's L059 with the sleeves and bizarre cravat thing taken off. I googled the blouse stock number and actually found some nice JSK coords with it. The lace probably won't be as nice as the other Bodyline blouse but I can fit it more comfortably.

>>8173787
Seems ok but I wonder if it's made with their notorious 'looks pretty enough but scratchy as fuck' lace, looks like it might be.

>>8173889
It's a risk I'll have to take, anon. Cross your fingers for me.

I'm buying something from AP right now and it's my first time.
Do I have to wait until Tenso has verified my ID to order something?
And like do I just order from AP with my tenso address, and tenso will charge me once the package gets to them?

Sorry for all the noob questions, the tenso FAQ kinda sucks

>>8172667
This noob again. Is this coord any better? I haven't purchased the blouse and I'm debating between the two wigs. I'm also open to bag recommendations because I have no idea. I'm going for a witch look and I'm going to get a custom witch hat made from SakuraFairy to go with it.

>>8174287
ooh mercy, if you must use one of those wigs, use the full purple one on the left. The one on the right looks like 2007 Hot Topic mall goth hair. What you've got going on otherwise looks alright. Tights seem a little bland but they're not offensive. Looks like a nice blouse.

>>8174107
I just went through the same. Tenso verified my ID within 24 hours, but since I was buying a sale item, I jumped the gun and ordered a but before they confirmed. I'm not sure what you'd do if they haven't verified your ID before the items reach them.
When you go through the shopping cart stuff on AP, they charge you for the item then and there. Once it reached Tenso, they charge you for shipping to you.

>>8174305
I wasn't sure which one would fit the dress shade since no one has uploaded pictures of theirs yet and mine is somewhere in the mail system but I'll definitely get the first one. I thought about an all black wig but there's a lot of black in the outfit already and I wanted something to match the purple hints.

>>8174315
Thank you I really appreciate the reply.
I kind of pussied out on buying the thing I wanted so I'm not ordering anymore, but it's good to know for next time

>>8171767
>angola blends
I was the anon that was interested and I agree angola would really reduce your market though for the reason of allergies instead. Personally I would prefer synthetic personally as I'm allergic to wool/angora. Would definitely not be able to buy if it was an animal fiber.
Also agree with >>8172795 >>8173152 anons on pricing.

As a random idea, do you think there'd be a market for good quality unique OTK socks in "inspired by" designs for example some pastel seashell themed ones to go with the current AP releases, just stuff that firsts into popular colour schemes and themes but isn't a replica?

>>8174801
If you can make it match brand colors I would be all over that. I have a hard time finding socks I like in colors I need.

>>8174801
Depending on the quality and price I'd totally be down.

Are high quality fabrics like Chinese Brocade which are sometimes shiny ita?

>>8175094
Anything using that would be ita. Qi lolita, like Wa, is terrible, and I don't know why you would consider making anything else with Chinese Brocade.

>>8175094
"Chinese brocades" like you see being sold at Jo-Ann's and in off the rack chinese dresses are mostly cheap, thin polyester garbage and not 'high quality' to begin with, so...

>>8175089
What kind of price would you be willing to pay? As for quality, I'd be aiming for something like Meta's OTKs in stretch and length.

>>8175117
Joanns must be an Amerifat thing
I just saw some really nice brocade at my local textile shop and was curious after using it to make corsets.

I'm so salty right now. My bf gifted me an AP OP, it just arrived and it's so big and shapeless on me.
>35in bust
>23in waist
>no corset lacing
>no waist ties
>looked perfectly fitted on the very petite looking mannequin
>a sack on my body
What do? It's a really lovely OP and considering it was a gift, I'm hesitant to sell it off immediately, especially since he picked it out himself and it's actually not horrible, so I'm proud of him. I'd like to wear it at least once, but fuck it's just so unflattering and I know it shouldn't be.
Is there nothing I can do beyond altering it? I'd still like to sell it eventually.
I know adding buttons for waist ties would be less damaging than corset lacing, but i have a feeling it'll still not look very good.
>tfw ran into same problem, AatP OP big, lumpy, and sacky even with waist ties
Is there some sort of non-permanent, non-damaging way to add corset lacing? Or some other method that would alleviate the bagginess?

>>8175195
what OP is it anon??

>>8175195
I always just add in darts... super easy to do (it's all I can do other than small mends) and you can take them out later with minimal trouble. Also you could make/ get some sort of coordinating waist tie/ belt.

So antler headgear--do you think it can ever work nicely or is it just an ita dead trend?

>>8175223
really only good for OTT, and they need to be high quality and match the coord for it to truly work. it's the same sort of deal with the cat or rabbit ears that brands put out sometimes.

>http://thelolitaguidebook.tumblr.com/getdressed
volume 5 is done. right now i'm asking some folks that i know if i can use their coords as examples for the body type section, so that will be a bit more visually interesting soon, hopefully. for now, here's this.

I'm so bummed that I won't have the money for Marine Kingdom this weekend. It's the only release of AP's that I've fallen in love with in so long and I know they'll be scalped to hell when people resell.
I hope it's so popular that they do a made to order slot like they did with Celestial. I can dream, right?

>>8175196
I can't remember what it's called, sorry anon. I'll look it up when I get home.

>>8175217
Do you have any tutorials or examples? I'm really worried about screwing something up.

>>8169752
IT'S META

>>8175358

>>8175358
>>8175381
Oh my god, anon, I'm the person who posted that originally and didn't even think of that.

>>8175358
10/10

>>8173751
Not that anon, but where do you recommend for wigs? Arda's always looked cosplay-ish and fake to me and ordering from Taobao seems very hit-and-miss. Apart from Cyperous, whose style range is very limited, and maybe Lockshop who have some nice items even though they're overpriced for the quality and sold out in all the styles I like right now, I'm yet to find any high-quality lolita wigs. I have a couple from l-email and although they're probably on a par with GLW's worse stuff, they're all single-colour so and it's easy to tell they're wigs even in natural colours and styles.

>>8173889
Looks like it to me. There's the same lace on the sleeves of l088 and l362, and it's okay when not worn under anything because it sticks out away from your body but under a bolero it's scratchy as fuck.

>>8174287
Not sure about the lace on the blouse caveat. Shoes are definitely loliable, but if you wanted lolita shoes to match a witchy theme look for lolita boots. Seconding >>8174305 about the wigs - left one could be re-used in other coords better. IIRC, you said this was your first coordinate upthread? Have you got a petticoat?

>>8175452
I did find a pair of Bodyline boots I liked but I wanted to wear shoes that would show off the tights. However, I'm a little iffy on spending $11+fees+shipping for the tights because when I first looked at it I swore it came with measurements and now I can't find them so I'm considering just using plain black tights and getting a pair of Bodyline boots I really liked, SHOES269

I'm not 100% sold on the blouse but this was one of the veeeeery few options available on Taobao. I wanted something more chiffon and billowy but for high necked blouses with neck bows, this was the best I could find that also had non-plain sleeve cuffs. Pic related is the white version. There's not a good full-view pic of the black one.

And yeah, this is my first coord. I'm not really a lolita, I just really liked the prints and wanted to dress up using them for conventions without looking too terrible. I hate to say they're cosplay-ish but I'm wearing them to conventions. I'm trying to stick to lolita rules when it comes to coording them but that's because I don't want to look like a hot mess and end up posted here when all I wanted to do was hang out and be witchy.


>inb4 angry mob, I know lolita isn't a costume

>>8175489
Check out The Floral Notebook on Facebook for chiffon blouses, she might have something you'll like.

The Bodyline engineer boots don't match the theme at all IMHO, they're way too sweet.

>>8175527
I'll check that out, thanks! Do you have any boot recommendations then? The only Bodyline shoes I own are a punk pair and a pair of black rocking horse shoes.

>>8167718
Sorry I'm late to the party, but St Tears have an apron too, just the skirt, for $17.

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3-c.w4002-1995919227.78.uzGNae&id=21126783386#

>>8175541
The only Bodyline boots I own are shoes276 in black. They could definitely work with your outfit, but I wouldn't recommend platform heels for a day at a convention unless you're already used to heels. As heels go, they're pretty comfy, but high.

Shoes 225 look nice (the roses are detachable) and shoes 224 could be cute for a sweeter look. Both styles are popular and I haven't heard bad things about either. I don't think any of the other boots would match your coordinate.

>>8175553
Pic related.

>>8175554
>>8175553
They do look pretty witchy and I like that they're knee high. The price is making me cringe a little since that's the most expensive pair of Bodyline shoes I'll ever own but I could use them for some other things as well. I'll add it to my blouse order whenever Bodyline finally has that 20% off March sale.

>>8175543
Speaking of aprons and meta, anyone else find this design fucking ridiculous? Apron-style skirt, with an attached tiny useless apron in the same fabric. I just don't get it

Socks over solid tights is a no-no, but nobody's going to notice if I wear OTKs over translucent tights, right? Having any part of my legs bare is just too weird for me but there are some socks I really wanna wear.

>>8175563
They're a lot less with the yen trick, also make sure you're looking at shoes 276 not s276.

I really like these boots actually, I just wish I wasn't so shit at walking in heels. The platforms mean they work well even in ubergothic outfits but the overall look is classic enough that I can wear them for classic too. On a related slightly-witchy-Bodyline-items-I-recommend note, the l325 bustle skirt is pretty great.

Which Bodyline blouses were you looking at? A lot of them have scratchy lace, crunchy fabric, or are a little too sweet for your theme.

>>8175570
I wear my OTKs over flesh toned tights all the time and nobody's ever really noticed.

>>8175568
...That's not from Meta

>>8175568
That shiny ribbon ain't helping.

>>8175570
I doubt anyone would notice. Half the time when I wear OTKs they end up looking like tights in me anyway because the dress hem covers the top of my socks. I'm not super short either (164cm), although of course it depends on the dress and the poof level I'm going for.

>>8175574
Just because they don't say they noticed doesn't mean that they didn't notice. It's pretty obvious. It would be a lot more aesthetically pleasing to just wear those sheer white ones that are often textured or have a tiny pattern

>>8175579
I assumed she meant meta as in aprons on yo apron and dresses on yo dress, not as in the brand

>>8175358
Didn't get the joke. Please, explain.

>>8175568
Turns out Miss Point have a chiffon apron thing too, released for an Alice thing with teacup and teapot detailing. $14.

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=686.1000925.1000774.36.HzvI9K&id=39622744673&scene=taobao_shop

>>8175571
The blouse isn't for the the witch coord, it's for >>8172667 and anons suggested a certain blouse that wouldn't fit me so I found one similar and got the ok on it. They said the lace might be scratchy but I'm fine with that since I didn't want to literally squeeze myself into a blouse that was several CM too small for my bust.

>>8175588
Oh right, I see.

>>8175580
>it depends on the dress and the poof level I'm going for.
Very much this, even if the dress is the same length. Bodyline l362 and pic related short version are both 88cm long, but since I wear the Bodyline one with stacked pettis it hits several inches above my knee, while with deflated poof the Miss Point one hits at my knee and without a petticoat it hits below.

Forgive my ignorance but what's the yen trick? I understand that the USD to Yen rate is really favorable right now but how do I use that to my advantage?

>>8175610
Bodyline's USD price listings aren't calculated from the current conversion rate, they're fixed prices with a hefty margin of error so Bodyline don't lose money. By "hefty" I mean at least $15-20 on larger items, sometimes more. For example, the boots posted for the witch coord are listed as $67, but they're only ¥4999, which is about $42 at PayPal's currency conversion rates.

>>8172028
seconding this.

>>8174343
Please don't start matching your wig to your dress.

>>8175615
So can I pay body line in yen instead of dollars ? How do I request this?

>>8175625
Although you shouldn't aim to match your wig to your dress, I think it's fine to match your wig to your general colour scheme and unnatural colours are seen in lolita. Given the context, I think a nice purple is fine.

>>8175627
When you're looking through a category (not on the item pages), there's a thing at the top of the page allowing you to change currency. It'll bill your PayPal in whatever you've changed it to.

Lolita-tips on tumblr has a guide with screenshots.

>>8175627
You just switch the currency at the top of the website page to Japanese Yen.

>>8175632
http://lolita-tips.tumblr.com/post/44268042388/bodyline-tip-get-bodyline-orders-for-cheaper

>>8175634
>>8175635
Thanks for your help you guys this clears it up for me :)

>>8175583
Yeah, that's what I meant, thank you. lol I know the brand is not metamorphose, i own this sk

>>8175584
"meta" means a thing describing itself in the language of the thing - a dress with a picture of a dress on it, an apron with an apron on it, watching a television show about putting televisions in cars, while in your car. A book about a book/books. From wikipedia "In epistemology, the prefix meta- is used to mean about (its own category)"

>>8175358
Top post

>>8168901
I didn't like this at first because I didn't realize it had mermaids on it, but now I need it... I hope it's not gonna be that popular.

what's the deal with this Ina Angelic chick? if i was that seller i would refuse to sell to her just for her attitude on this post alone.

>>8175783
It's an auction isn't it? Why does she keep saying she wants to buy and asking for pick-up info like she's already won it?

>>8175803
yeah it's an auction, and no idea. she seems extremely salty, like she's demanding priority over everyone else because they share the same comm or something? reminding me of that one chick who went nuts over her wtb with some crown

>>8175806
Oh god, HLC all over again.
Could these girls be related to each other?

>>8175749
Its going to be just as popular as Dream Marine, if not more.

>>8175875
>>8168901
Do you guys know if AP USA is guaranteed to get these? I seriously don't want to deal with tenso.

How much density is too much density for solid color tights? I remember a heated discussion about bad non-sheer tights in lolita and I want to get it right with my shiro coord.

So I finally got my Infanta fruity pie dress in today (from my-lolita-dress).
This was a dream dress for me I guess before I decided to start wearing lolita, but then I found out it was cheap and readily available so I bought it.

However when I got it I noticed several flaws in the print. They're not tiny either... pic is the worst one (located near the bottom, stock pic for scale) but there's a few more blank spots like that, as well as a few spots of bleeding on the stripes. Total there's about 6 quite noticeable flaws near the bottom of the dress, front and back, as well as a few small ones in the scatter print part that don't bother me.

I want to contact them and see if I can exchange it or get a discount or something, but I honestly don't know if my expectations were just too high. I'm a lolita noob, and my only other dress is a secondhand bodyline (which, incidentally, has no print flaws). I know this isn't brand or anything but I feel like the flaws are excessive. Am I wrong?

Is there any way at all for people to tastefully go legwear-free in lolita? Or is it just a definite no? Would love to see some coords if anyone has any. I imagine it would look best just in certain styles or with certain shoes.

Sorry for a nooby sounding question, but does anyone know any good places to get cutsews or are there any mainstream stores selling good loliable t shirts this season? I only have one and I want some to wear this summer, but I can't afford or justify spending $70-$100 on a single brand one and the couple Bodyline ones look like absolute crap. I'm bad with sewing so I can't make one myself.

>>8176042
IMHO, too much density is no problem. Go fleece lined if you wish. It's 20 and 30 and sometimes 40 denier ones that are gonna look cheap and scrappy.

>>8176073
Flaws are excessive, contact them to complain.

>>8176198
Other than brand, the only place I can think of is Rose Melody. But basically I dunno, I've been having similar problems finding them ever since I first started out.

>>8175432
in the guide, i recommend arda (as long as you stick with their natural colors. their mugatus are ugly as hell imo but stevie, jane, eowyn, and victoria are really great for lolita and they're inexpensive. clip ins are also good to get from them and their colors are very pretty), lockshop, and cyperous. you're right when you say that taobao can be hit or miss. really just depends on where you get them. the only one i see come up frequently is fantasy sheep, but that's more for cosplay i think. i've heard bodyline's wigs are ok as well?? i don't know a lot of people that have bought them and i've never seen them used in person. l-email is decent for the price. i like thefivewits too but again, mainly for cosplay wigs. i like their "loli ruffle encounter" in brown and their "gothic lolipocalype" looks really nice and full. as long as you cut the bangs and stick with natural colors you'll be good with them. if all else fails and you end up just not being big into synthetic wigs, you could splurge and get real hair wigs, but they're expensive as fuck and only worth the price if you wear them semi-daily imo. good luck!!

>>8176139
you need at least some sort of legwear. you could get away with just some ankle socks like this in the summer time though, as long as the rest of your coordinate is over-all summer-y (like wearing a chiffon dress) and your dress mostly covers your knees.

>>8176139
I always thought these sandals were super cute and looked great. This outfit looks plenty Lolita to me without socks.

It really depends on the coord and the shoe being used as to whether or not you can get away with it.

>>8176424
Honestly I think if you make it look great nobody will bitch too hard at you

>>8175783
I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time she's bitched about auctions too.

>>8170809

Am I the only one who thinks this looks like a Rorschach test?

http://www.angelicpretty.com/newarrival/dream_marine/index.htm

DREAM MARINE RE-RELEASE?! DREAM MARINE RE-RELEASE

>>8176592
That actually makes me like it more--evil cat coming to get you!

>>8176361
I've bought Bodyline wigs and they're okay but lower quality than the GLW wigs I own - fibres aren't as soft and they're thinner on top. There was an anon criticizing Arda in the general a while back but I guess it's a matter of taste.

Is anyone else having severe lag while trying to load lacemarket/LM images today? I assumed it was my shitty computer but no other image heavy sites are giving me trouble, and I tried on my phone to confirm it and it's lagging to load images there too.