/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>7694068
>Geeks for CONsent wants to have all cosplay conventions implement their sensitivity training

>They want to have all con volunteers read and followtheir "Anti-harassment" manuals

>They want conventions to allow third party volunteers from "Hollaback Philly" (a feminist anti-street harassment group) to patrol the convention floor, and police con-goers that have broken their rules.

Is this for real?

If you don't want to get molested, don't dress like a slut

>>7694076
>"Anti-harassment" manuals
>Hollaback Philly volunteers used to patrol the convention floor, and police con-goers

Well Hitler had Mein Kampf and the Gestapo and it worked for him.
So why wouldn't facism work for these cunts too?

>>7694076

There is no way that couldn't end in lawsuits out of the ass. The first two are kinda already being done. More and more cons are adopting stricter harassment policies and training their staff (especially security) in how to handle it. We don't need some feminist gang to "police" the harassment.

>mfw you want to stop being sexually harassed by horny geeks but your asscheeks are hanging out of your cosplay

>almost every con I have attended I have been harassed.

What? I'm sorry but am I the only person who has been attending cons since the 90s and never been harassed? Am I just lucky that I escape these mobs of individuals praying on ppl or are these incidents of harassment lies and shit like 'rape stares'.

>>7694068
>"I was dressed like Cammie at an anime convention and someone took a photo of my butt!"

NO SHIT!?

What about the males? I get harassed constantly from fucking hamplanets or psychotic "shippers". Where are my con harassment crusaders?

>I've had ppl take my picture without asking me!!!

Topkek

>>7694103

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXaQpMkyfRo

Whats the creepiest thing someone has said to you?

Imagine someone went up to you and said this, its almost rape.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/whats-the-creepiest-thing-someones-said-to-you-while-cosplay

>>7694108
That is fucking awesome. Can't wait to go shirtless for the next con. Thanks for the motivation

>>7694124

he got harassed by men too, if thats what you are into

though to be fair he does give off a strong gay vibe

>>7694123

It's the one's like this that really made me mad. I once got asked by hotel staff if my girlfriend and I wanted to have a threesome and THIS girl is complaining about someone saying THAT?

Like come the fuck on woman.

>>7694127
I'd take it as a compliment

I do have a great ass for gay porn

Women envy my squat booty

This fat cow said a guy picked her up and started spinning her around.

At least say something that doesn't sound like a lie when you make up a story.

thank you for being so based cgulls.
I haven't been coming here for so long but I was expecting you all to be like YEAH DOWN WITH THE PATRIARCHY
so based

>>7694103
I don't really mind the shippers, but the girls who just need to molest me when I'm Kuroko needs to end.

When you say that woman shouldn't complain if they are wearing co-pays that are more revealing, you're basically saying that guys have no self control and will act like pigs when tits and ass are present.

Do you really want your sex to be presented as such? Really?

Because I own dogs that are better behaved than that.

Capcha: the dbasers

Also, I have a friend who deliberately makes all her cosplays skimpy for the male attention. She even told me as much, she likes to look sexy so she can fuck the hottest guys.

So a lot of the Geeks for Consent crowd also has to work against girls like that who are deliberately consenting just by their costumes.

>>7694151

I'm all for a better harassment policy at cons cuz some pretty serious shit has gone down...but this is just too muchery. And liable to head down a terrible path.

I'd rather someone who works security handle dealing with the Ass Crack Bandit than a bunch of girls whose only real training with this "hollaback" project is throwing events and discussing harassment in hugboxes.. One group can either kick him out or give him to the authorities, the other just gets the CON in trouble if their "policing" goes too far.

>>7694145
Maybe he turned her into a newt first.

>>7694161

I think look but dont touch

>>7694163
As we learned at PAX there is only so much policing a lot of cons (with mostly male administrations mind you) are willing to do.

The self-policing and stigma are much more important. If a con does or doesn't punish a harassing member makes no difference except to them. But the stigma, and social ostracization, will get them to either change or give up on cons entirely.

>>7694167
She apparently got better*

>*or worse

>>7694155
>tfw I will never be able to molest a qt Koganei
Why is there never cosplay of him

Is there a part of this campaign to end fujoshi harassment because I stopped cosplaying years ago after having my crotch grabbed for the umpteenth time.

>be 15
>don't fucking touch me
>"oh! how tsundere tee hee!"
>grope
>vanishes into the sea of people never to be seen again

>>7694181
I believe there was one at AX this year.

I considered doing him but I'm so short and for a basketball anime it's stupid to do anything but the player who is short.

So what exactly do other seagulls consider sexual harassment? I mean, some geek grabbing my tits is one thing, but complaining about getting stares while I have them flopped out on display is just flat out whining.

>>7694179

PAX isn't anything close to being most cons. It, and comic con are industry cons with a different set of principals. They're not typically run by people who are part of the culture. On the converse I've seen DragonCon staff escort a guy who groped a girl off premise and take his badge.

If you see someone being a douche, by all means tell them. Step in if a cosplayer looks to be uncomfortable. But we don't need these girls "policing" what harassment might be occurring.

>Guy puts hand on a girl's waist for a picture
>OMGHOWDAREYOUSHUUUUUUUUNEVERYONELOOKATTHISCREEPER
>It's actually his girlfriend

>>7694089
you haven't been harassed because you're ugly, fat, and old

>>7694189

Pretty much any excessive touching, or just plain groping. Looking is fine because it's literally the same as taking a picture.

>>7694189
didn't you read the OP? seagulls are scared of the male gaze.

>>7694186

Boyfriend cosplayed as Jake English from Homestuck once and had the same problem. Some chick half his age was dressed up as Dirk and getting all over him, whining when he didn't want to make out with a minor.

>>7694199

taking a picture without consent is also wrong

What even constitutes harassment?

I mean, obviously grabbing someone's tits usually isn't okay, but what about putting your hand on their waist for a photo? Is that harassment?

>>7694208
if cgl had their way, merely looking at a girl for longer than a second would be harrassment

>>7694208

To some people yes. I'm okay with the waist thing, people do it all the time for pictures. Like even when I was wearing mascot suits and costumes for Six Flags even kids would do the waist thing. Just seems natural when you have to be close for a picture.

I draw a line at some creepy requests like "spank me" or whatever. Also when you start talking all sexual towards me. Don't do that shit, I am not interested in hearing about how hot I make you. Especially when I'm dressed as an underaged character and you think I'm 14.

>>7694206
It's a little creepy, yeah, but at an event where everyone is taking photos left and right of each other it's one of those things you should just let go of.

>>7694209
I think you mean tumblr

>>7694196
Maybe I am. But then again so are most of the chicks in that video and buzzfeed article so what am I doing wrong? I'm assuming not being an obnoxious overly sensitive twat.

>>7694215

I think that's one of the big problems. Depending on how attractive the person is, what is and isn't harassment changes.

I think cons would be more fun if everyone had the expectation of everyone being a little bit ratchet (I can't believe I just used that word like that), with an obvious line between having fun and being a creeper.

>>7694187
Well shucks, got pictures? He's the only character I care about in the series. I'd cosplay him since I'm the same height but I've got the face of Mitobe and the humor of Izuki.

>>7694218

This, unless they're taking pictures of you eating or sitting down or with half your costume off AFTER you've told them no or it's some con creeper upskirt/boob shot...it's rather harmless.

Like are you really going to demand everyone who snaps your pic after you've posed ask you first?

>>7694204
Yes. One person posting represents the views of an entire board...

>>7694206
Ok, if a cosplayer isn't having their photo already being taken, you should ask.

But it really is just plain rude to take one when they are obviously eating/on a break.

>>7694224

I have a standing rule of don't be a dick. It's really not that hard to gauge how a person would react to certain jokes after talking a bit but there's some opening lines that should just be avoided.

Ya know, things like "Nice costume, I've got an erection and it can be only solved by pounding you." You can say those things to friends who can tell you're joking or not, but not to strangers.

>>7694218
Some of us like getting candid shots of the photoshoot. Cosplayer and then 4-5 photographers all in one shot. It makes for a great, unique picture.

Would this be viewed as harassment?

>>7694068
This is gonna be a hard subject.
Besides being physically sexually assaulted, how can you label what isn't and is harassment?

This is gonna even have double standards to hot people and fat dudes. Let's not forget about people who are actually socially awkward and just wanna talk about you cosplaying his favorite character.

>>7694068
I get "harassed" all the time, but I like it. That's part of the reason I cosplay.

Fuck off, feminazis. If you don't like being complimented and "creeped" on, don't call attention to yourselves. Don't ruin it for me and everybody who isn't a whiny bitch.

>>7694205
I was a crossplayer so they'd always try to play it off with the
>Oh I thought you were a guy!
as if that somehow magically made the fact that you just groped a 15 year old any better, ya creepy fuck.

>>7694087
>"I want to dress scantily and provocatively in public, but I don't want anyone to comment on what I'm wearing!"

These bitches are cray cray

>>7694145
That's not fucking harassment

Seriously, what a bunch of cunts.

FYI "creepers" (I don't actually find you creepy) I'm a skinny short white girl who isn't a bitch and enjoys your sweet attention. I won't have sex with you, but I'll be nice to my fans... because I'm not a sandy bitch.

>>7694241

Also a lot of the female led harassment gets swept under the rug in these things. Like I've crossplayed enough guys to know some girls are just as bad. I've been felt up more times dressed as Reno for example than I ever have as any of the girls I've done. Also tackled into bushes, trees, down stairs and into fire extinguishers. And hit on, a lot. Sometimes /very/ aggressively. Shit can get insane, yo.

I've been going to cons and cosplaying for over 10 years and never had a real problem being harrassed by attendees. There's been the weirdos that like to talk to me like I am their waifu but generally they don't have the balls to do anything other than stand there and don't follow when I leave. In general anyone a bit too interested goes away if you just ignore them for a while, so I wonder how many of these girls are just super naive and don't know to ignore creeps and walk away. The creepiest experience I've had at a con was actually when I was in normal clothes at Fanime this last year, and this panhandler started talking at me and following me from the fairmont back to the convention center, which absolutely wouldn't be solved by this cosplay is not consent thing they keep pushing.

>>7694103
>What about the males?

None of the Geeks for CONsent videos talk about males being harassed.
So I guess men are NEVER the victims of harassment.
So that means that you're mistaken about your past experiences being harassment.
Check your privilege.

Thanks feminism!

>They take testimony from people that have been victims of gender based harassment.
>Will you help to make conventions a safe space from sexual harassment?

Fixed that for you.

You have to keep in mind male cosplayers can be victims of other people.

Try to keep your movements gender neutral.

2 simple rules would end up this "creeper" nonsense.

1. be attractive
2. don't be unattractive

>>7694123
Asking for consent is now RAPE!

Everything is RAPE & TRIGGERING!!!!

Can't anyone get reverse offended at the idea that women are such weak things we need self-appointed mallcops at a media convention? If a woman can't stand up for herself at a damn geek con, how the hell is she surviving the other 364 days of the year? I mean, if you don't have the grit to say "NO" for yourself, that pretty much is your consent and you just gave it away. Don't expect a knight in shining armor to come duel a neckbeard for your honor because you couldn't stand up for yourself.

2 simple rules would end this "creeper" nonsense.

1. be attractive
2. don't be unattractive

>>7694161
>When you say that woman shouldn't complain if they are wearing co-pays that are more revealing, you're basically saying that guys have no self control and will act like pigs when tits and ass are present.

No one fucking said that. Nice straw man

>>7694270
What is reverse offense?
Is it being offended at something?

>>7694261

They want a feminist organization to police harassment at cons, they're not interested in being gender neutral. Which is why guys like whatever that Renji guy is had to make videos on their own and upload them.

Hell they're not even interested in the girl on girl harassment.

>>7694162
>So a lot of the Geeks for Consent crowd also has to work against girls like that who are deliberately consenting just by their costumes.

Welcome to Feminism 101. Here you will learn that all men are rapists, no woman can make decisions for herself, and all power must be placed into the hands of misandrist lesbians.

>>7694246
There's a difference between commenting and you know, groping and touching.

>>7694282
I'm completely fine with a group going out to just protect girls from the threatening harassment of males. But for them to completely disregard any other kind of harassment is silly.

It's like when 30 year old female teachers go to jail for sleeping with a 14 year old male student. Whether you want to admit or not, at some point that boy is probably going to have some emotional baggage from it. But all anyone ever says is "oh man what a lucky guy." I can assure you getting glomped by a sweaty hambeast isn't going to leave you with emotional scars but it's going to leave you feeling uncomfortable and sour your experience and maybe deter you from cosplaying.

I'm not some fedoracore men's rights activist but people walk a very thin line when they act like this can only happen to women.

>>7694279
Being offended that other people are so easily offended.

>>7694123

So someone expressing their happiness to meet you is now molestation?

>>7694179
>The self-policing and stigma are much more important.

Yeah that's why lynch mobs are so efficient means at doling out justice. They don't bother with any of that ponderous burden of proof for claims of criminal activity, no innocent until proven guilty, or civil rights.

They just listen to that gossip and hearsay and jump straight to the "justice".

>>7694297

I feel like one's like this need way more context. I mean in my head it sounds like a gushing fan possibly bouncing up and down in excitement. But it could have been some dude leering at her and sounding like he just popped the biggest boner of his life.

>>7694240
No. In what world would this be harassment? Just don't be creep and take super up close as shots.

>>7694196
Thanks Geek CONsent.

Thanks feminism!

>>7694288
FUN FACT: Look at OP's link. None of them are talking about groping, mostly looking and comments.

>>7694123
>http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/whats-the-creepiest-thing-someones-said-to-you-while-cosplay
>“You’re hot hot like a barbecue. Sizzle sizzle.”

That's not creepy that's just cheesy as hell funny.

>>7694330
>>7694288
Comments can totally be harassment. "I see you're an OS-tan. I've got a big dongle for your PCMCIA slot."

Looking however is a bit harder to say. If you're wearing something eye catching or revealing, looking it going to happen.
If you're being actively stalked that can be totally creepy. I was stalked once at a con, but I'm a huge burly dude so it didn't bother me much.

>>7694206
>taking a picture without consent is also wrong

No its not. It is perfectly legal as you are in a public space. Every time you step out of your house you are being recorded by some sort of security camera.

>>7694341

are "creep shots" like upskirt filming legal?

>>7694343
Yes. As long as it's in a public place. There was a lawsuit about a guy in Boston doing it on trains earlier this year. He won.

You know who I feel bad for? People whose job is dressing up, like disney face characters.

I cringe a little every time someone mentions kissing/groping a face character because obviously they can't break character and tell you to get off.

>>7694343
nice 4 digit dubs.
A bit of common sense can go a long way in this regard.
Obviously things of that nature are sexual harassment.
Regular pictures are fine, but asking is generally the polite thing to do.

>>7694288
>cosplay as TSA officer
>can legally grope a girl

Why has nobody thought of this?

>>7694352

You...are aware that you don't have the powers and authorities of the characters you're cosplaying right?

>>7694346
I live in Hollywood and 'know' a few of these people through my stylist.

Most of them are really trashy, so I doubt they mind.

ur kidding, right ?
even cosplay has problems they have to protest...?

>>7694346
Disney face characters LOVE their jobs, they're very competitive and hard to get, and they pay pretty well for a job where all you need is good looks and a GED ($12.44 an hour).

>>7694357

They don't know that...

>>7694223
they're offended by the male gaze and you're not. congratulations, you're not a cancer.

>>7694368

Someone should tell him.

>>7694385
no, let him try it so he gets busted and put away

americans are turning into americunts...
we used to be tough
but now all we do is bitch & complain...
if u dress like this, then get ready, bc its comin'
do urself a favor and grow a backbone !

>>7694359
>>7694365

Yeah, but still. It feels awkward to think that people actually go to meet them with the intention of touching them inappropriately - most don't even have the excuse of revealing outfits.

>>7694392
> that spelling
> picture for ants

"somebody harassed me...help"
u want attention?
ur gonna get it.
stand up and fight if somebody bothers u..
don't make a civil rights movement out of it ..

>>7694278
Sorry, it was more rant than anything.

>>7694395

>>7694399
Standing up and fighting is generally part of any civil rights movement.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TT_DC2IF4U8

The dumb, fat dykes are trying to control the world again. God help us all.

>>7694410

> no zoolander cosplayers challenging other people to walk offs

I personally have begun to refuse to take photos with people because one too many grabbed my ass. I actually slapped one across the face the last time and of course I'm the one that looked like the asshole.

People suck

>>7694494
Pictures of ass so we can see if worthy of grabbing?

I caught some guy directly behind me trying to take photos of my butt while I was in a costume with short shorts. I just yelled very loudly while looking right at him, "Please don't take photos of my ass! Thank you!" His friends looked so embarrassed for him. He tried to say that wasn't what he was doing; retrospectively, I should have asked to see what he was taking photos of then, but I just gave him a disgusted look and walked away.

That's the only actual confrontation I've ever had. I've caught guys trying to take ass shots as I walk by but not so close to me, and I've just tried to angle my hand flipping them off to cover anything as I passed. Some guys are fucking gross.

I don't think anyone deserves to be harassed, and if at all possible, something should be done about it. Get staff or security to help you, try to deal with it yourself, etc.

That said, there are outfits that get a lot of attention, which isn't a bad thing, but it will get a lot of attention. And there are always going to be creeps who will disrespect you. If you do get harassed while wearing an outfit that gets a lot of attention, that's not your fault. You didn't ask for it. Just be wary, however.

>>7694278
But that's what implied fuckwit

Go eat rotten shit you half-ass rapist

>>7694501
If this little movement actually pushes stricter harassment rules into play, the guy could actually report you for harassment.

>>7694513

Honestly just be prepared. I feel there'd be less con creeper stories if people just were prepared to deal with that shit. I'm not saying you should "expect to be harrassed" or whatever victim-blaming shit tumblr wants to believe that statement is, but yes. If you're wearing a costume, especially a costume for a character that's considered sexy, be prepared. Know what to do if it happens. If you see it happening, know what to do when you step in.

Chances are if someone is harassing you they have/are going to harass others. And for the love of god, don't just go and whine about it on the fucking internet. Nip that shit in the bud as it happens. Sometimes all a dude needs is "That is not okay" and they'll back down and apologize. If not, remember what they look like, or a badge name or both and report them.

I'm sorry but this shit does not fucking happen. This whole "cosplay isn't consent" bullshit needs to fucking stop. All it is is an excuse for cosplayers to look like they are doing something good so they can go to bed knowing they got to be an armchair activist.

This shit doesn't happen at cons. It just doesn't. People don't just get randomly raped in hallways and con rooms. If it does, it has NOTHING to do with cosplay as you just happened to be at a fucking convention.

Guys are not "creepy" just because you find them unattractive.

Guys are not "creepy" for commenting about your costume.

Guys are not "creepy" for stating the obvious about your costume "whoa boobs" "ass" etc.

You were not "raped" because a guy you don't like or find attractive looked at you

stop being dumb cunts and forcing this dumb shit

>>7694519
you sjws are fucking hilarious. I'm in tears laughing

>>7694532
but if a man says something to me and i don't like it, i should be able to stop him from ever saying something like that again! im offended so the world should cater to me and my needs!!!!!

>>7694345
its actually highly dependant on where in the world you are. Upskirt filming is definitely a punishable offence in other countries.

>>7694539

You should cater to my dick

>>7694532
Then everyone with a story is a liar? It happens all the time. I had a roommate try taking a girl's clothes off while I was on the floor because he thought her cosplay was hot and fantasized of banging Haruhi.

This shit fucking happens everywhere, not just at cons. It's not okay anywhere.

>>7694532
It happens though. And a lot of it is because of cosplay. I had a roommate at one con (never again) who spent the entire weekend "trying to fuck Haruhi." Explain to me how him then harassing multiple Haruhi cosplayers all weekend, including one in the room while he thought I was asleep on the floor, is not related to cosplay?

Obviously a comment on a nice costume isn't particularly harassment and it never will be. But going "whoa boobs" at a costume can be and it's better not to make that comment or approach because you don't know the person you're saying the comment to. Maybe it will bother them. It's a lot easier to keep it to yourself.

Also it's super easy to talk to girls in cosplay about anything beyond cosplay too. I've never had this problem and I've never been considered creepy, at least since I finished puberty.

>>7694566
>tfw no haruhi cosplaying gf who is willing to have sex with the costume

>>7694576
If you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen. Nobody is forcing the cosplayers to wear the outfits. Deal with it.

>>7694584
>Bitch I'm gonna ram my dick so hard down your throat and you have no choice. Should have never been born you fucking whore.

>>7694588
Are you comparing photography and creepy comments to literal rape? wow.

>>7694588

Stop falling for the obvious troll duderino.

>>7694589
No I was making a comparison between outright sexual harassment of the physical sort to rape since, you know, they're pretty closely related.

>>7694592
But physical harassment is against the rules of practically any con. You can report people for it and they'll be expelled from the building. It's only a problem for cons that for some reason have no security.

saying "we need to tighten the rules against X" when everyone who does X knows that they're breaking the rules is a pointless endeavor

>>7694584
Yeah except while people do expect this attitude, they shouldn't have to. This conversation shouldn't be happening. If people were just civil and gave respect this entire thread wouldn't exist

>>7694596
Then cut it off before it gets there. I'm a middle school teacher by trade. Kids will break the rules even though they know they'll get in trouble. But if we make the rules a line before the actual line then they never get to the actual line and everyone is better off because of it.

>>7694601
There will always be people who do it though. The least you can do is expect it and be on guard. As long as these cons are reasonably open to the public, it'll happen.

>>7694604
Oh, and how do you suggest doing that?

>>7694604
That is a good point, very few cosplayers have been raped by middle schoolers.

>>7694605
Allowing and encouraging males and females to report harassment to on-duty staff even if it's not physical but made them feel threatened or uncomfortable. Make it more real that you might be kicked out just for something you say as opposed to actual doing anything. It will help keep a number of emboldened people more in line. Not all of them of course, but a decent amount.

>>7694613
Okay, go ahead. I still think that it's going to be a problem.

Some people won't be happy unless you lock all men up in cages at cons and do not so much as look at the cosplayers unless given permission beforehand.

Whatever happened to general human acceptance? Nobody is molesting you by taking a picture or giving a hug. This feminist rape hysteria crap is so ridiculous.

1) Sexual harassment isn't okay.
2) Looking at boobs, butts, and exposed skin might be sexual harassment if taken too far, but let's be fair, people ARE going to look when they see that, and that needs to be taken in stride.
3) Don't cosplay a character who shows a lot of skin but at the same time whine about the "objectification of women" in media - cosplay as a character who actually fits the values you preach. If you aren't someone who's going to whine about that, cosplay whatever you want to.
4) For christs sake, quit with all the crazy SJW bullshit on one end, and quit being creepy molesting pervs on the other.

I'm too goddamn tired of all this yelling and screaming from both social justice warriors and red pillers. Just respect each other. It's okay to look at someone you find attractive. It's okay to express it. It's not okay to harass people. It's not okay to take anyone looking at you as harassment. Jesus christ, can't we all just get along?

>>7694641
>Can't we all just get along?
Where do you think you are?

>>7694653
You know, that's what my girlfriend said when I showed her my post...

>>7694118
well I'm not gonna look at that face

There's a difference between trying to keep people safe and policing the con so hard that people don't want to come back.
It's fucked up but guys will do this no matter what you tell them. No matter what kind of placements are active, they'll find a way to grope or do something to a woman. Is it fair? Hell no. This however I believe is not the way to do it.

>>7694526
For making a statement loudly and clearly to stop harassing her in the first place? I guess I haven't read enough about this movement, but that sounds pretty batshit.

>>7694691
But he was trying to, the post never said they actually took a photo. So if the guy didn't take a photo and she publicly labels him as a creeper, she publicly humiliates them, which could be consider harassment. It is a form of aggressive intimidation, which is basic harassment.

It is a little far fetch but on the other side, so is the issue with ugly guys are unwanted attention for basic shit so they are "harassing" them.

>>7694667
Point goes to show that shit will happen with rules, such as the dude lifting that cosplayers crotch flap and exposing her see through thong.

Did he get arrested, yeah.
Was there rules and laws against this, yeah.
Did it still happen, yeah.
Was there a need for cosplay is not consent, no.

>>7694667
There's got to be something that has worked otherwise every workplace would still resemble Sterling Cooper.

>>7694741
getting kicked out of a con is a lot less severe than getting fired

>>7694501
Maybe you should stop wearing such revealing short shorts.
Maybe you should actually be polite and ask them to stop instead of yelling like an autist and making a scene.
Maybe you should stop being a bad person.

>>7694357
>>7694352
funny you should mention that. a drunk guy actually did this recently and he got arrested. he was only charged for public drunkenness because the two women he (possibly) groped left as soon as they could so they had no proof against him as they went into the private rooms.

>>7694741
The worst thing that could happen is either getting kicked out or getting your teeth kicked in.
The difference being that losing your job and that being on record for future employment is a fuckton worse than that.

>>7694068
Why has no one said anything about those two godawful itas in that video?!

anybody who agrees with OP needs to go back to tumblr, this isn't the place for you.

>>7694811
Couldn't, depending on severity, police get involved? There are always available deterrents to make people think twice. People don't usually steal from vendors or sneak drugs into the con, there are consequences beyond the convention. Why should harassment be handled as a separate "go home now" issue if it's severe enough?

>>7694838
>People don't usually sneak drugs into cons

I have proof that this is not true good sir/madam

>>7694838
Because there's a difference between street harassment and actual crimes. Police can only arrest you for the latter.

>staring
>making sexual comments/innuendo/jokes
>touching someone's waist
Not illegal

>Groping breasts/butt
>upskirt creep shots
Can get you arrested in some places

>telling someone you're going to rape them
>actual sexual assault
You're going to get arrested

>>7694838
>People don't usually steal from vendors or sneak drugs into the con
that's what you think.

>>7694538
Yeah...LAUGHING in tears. That's it.

>>7694151
you went on any board on 4chin not expecting the users to be sexually repressed and entitled?

>>7694641
>Looking at boobs butts and exposed skin might be sexual harassment.
Heres a definition:
harassment (typically of a woman) in a workplace, or other professional or social situation, involving the making of unwanted sexual advances or obscene remarks.

Museum rules (See: Look, don't touch) is not sexual harassment.

>>7694840
Don't usually does not equal never. Obviously it happens as it does in any place. What I'm saying is Acen or AX or whatever isn't like Bonnaroo.

The SJW shit is invading every facet of pop culture, including conventions. They aren't going to stop until men can only attend conventions wearing muzzles and handcuffs.

It's already at the point where most men choose to just not interact with female cosplayers on more than a surface level because any attempt at friend making or flirting will end up resulting with a "creeper" label and might just find yourself being accused of misconduct.

>>7694877
>female utopia

>>7694588

Literally who the fuck are you quoting?

>Video of all girls yelling at guys to stop being fat virgins.

>No video of all the shit girls do to guys.

Maybe we can finally ban yaoi paddles and anything dealing with male homosexuality since that seems to trigger females in to thinking it's ok for me to go and kiss another guy I don't know because it's kiawii.

This thread is bad and OP should feel bad for making it.

>>7694641
>>7694869
>Looking at boobs, butts, and exposed skin might be sexual harassment if taken too far,
>Looking
Why is it acceptable in this society to be offended by another human being's sensory processes?
Do I no longer have the right to visually process certain things?
Do I have to avert my fucking eyes for people out of fear that they'll get offended?
Why all the unnecessary fear and stress?

This is sexist as fuck.

>>7694907
Looking isn't. Because obviously if you're wearing a fucking revealing outfit you want to be looked at, its being looked at by people you deem "gross", "unworthy", or otherwise lower then you, and it suddenly becomes the worst thing in the world.

>>7694293

I do. They are literally preaching two different things that contradict each other. Are these people supposed to be strong who don't need help or can they not take care of themselves and need our help?

>>7694917
>its being looked at by people you deem "gross", "unworthy", or otherwise lower then you
But why are people that cruel and judgmental?
Aren't cons supposed to be where people that share similar interests go to meet and have fun?
Why can't we all be nice to each other?

Why are you fuckers complaining about nerdy bitches being SJW? I go to cons to dress up and get drunk with guy friends, if I wanted to fuck sloots I'd hit a club where they like getting hit on and groped.

>>7694928
I go to cons to interact with people. SJWs are looking for reasons to tell me I'm a rapist for doing so.

>>7694068
So where are the testimonies from
1) male cosplayers
2) Female cosplayers being harassed by other females.
(ah right, that doesn't exist).
I sure as hell have been harassed by more women than men when I cosplay. Just saying.

And question seagulls, is it harassment when another female is openly talking crudely about another chick's cosplay? (Gotta love slut-shaming) Or is it only harassment when a guy openly talks about some chick's boobs while she's cosplaying white bikini Super Sonico?

>>7694930
This. I'm not even a guy, but SJWs are making being a nerd super unfun. I really hate using this word, but they're like policing every facet of it and it's gone too far. I'm sick of them saying "NOT ENOUGH STRONG WYMYNS" and ignoring all the strong good female characters, then complaining if something they personally don't like exists.

I just had the biggest idiot try to tell me that there is no porn in Japan geared towards 'real' lesbians because patriarchy. Bitch, I don't know what a 'real lesbian' is but I guess I'm fucking not one.

I hate people who try to group gender, I hardly want to identify as female now because so many people fucking speak for me and it's not even close to being my words.

>>7694933
>And question seagulls, is it harassment when another female is openly talking crudely about another chick's cosplay?

Yes. well, I suppose if it's to your face or behind your back, but it's really scummy anyway

>>7694927
"Supposed to be" is your key phrase.
Funny, one of my friends was getting on by a fairly attractive guy and she loved it. Was complimented by your stereotypical basement otaku and she freaked out calling him a creeper.

There are some fairly creepy hot guys out there.

>>7694933
This "gendered" harassment thing is disgusting. It makes me want to fucking kill myself in protest of this sexist bullshit.

Why the fuck is there such a need to separate ourselves out by gender. This is not going to help anyone but a select few people, and it is making a huge amount of disparity. It makes me fucking sick to my stomach.

>>7694930
There is not one good reason to interact with a woman other than the promise of sex.

>>7694904
i hope you realize the OP was actually mocking the cosplay is consent feminazis, not agreeing with them

>>7694907
>>7694917
>>7694927
>>7694938
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=reckless+eyeballing+law
First it was blacks, now SJWs have modified it to any guy that's not attractive enough for them.

>>7694935
>A sane female
Let me inseminate you.
>Les-bean
Oh my mistake.

>>7694939
Crawl back to tumblr, pls.

>>7694945
>that post
>vaguely tumblr at all
how exactly?

>>7694942
>Prisoners and Prositutes looking at pimps
Wowitsfuckingnothing.jpeg

I'd say no court case would ever be made out of staring at someones ass, but then again, that kid got thrown in jail while making some stupid remarks about shooting up a school while playing LoL.

I thank god Canada is more sane then America. Plus we have Murdoch Mysteries, which I'm going to watch right now, despite being one of the most SJW friendly shows ever.

>>7694939
Because the genders are fucking different and if you actually went outside you'd understand that?

>>7694950
I mean why is it only focusing on women, and disregarding the fact that the problem is not only for women. Every aspect of feminism and social justice does this. It focuses on one group, singling them out as a whole, disregarding any personal experiences or opinions and lumping everyone together and then getting pissed off when someone in that group has anything to say otherwise.

>>7694947
>Canada is more sane then America
Canada has hate speech laws. Being offended by words and being arrested for hurting feelings is not sane. It's basing law on emotion and not reason.

>>7694935

The best thing you can do about it if you are a girl is speak out against it more vocally. SJWs actively ignore anything men say because men are "TEH SYSTEMATYC OPPRESZORZ!!11oneone!!11". But when a women points out their hypocrisy they have a harder time dealing with it because they can't just rely on their usual bullshit "check ur privilege" argument and have to actually address what you said using reason. Due to the fact that reason is something they don't understand, every time they are forced to use it they end up making asses of themselves.

If every female Seagull fed up with SJW horseshit started openly shaming them the problem would go away in less than a month.

>>7694966
You forget, anon, they do have a shit ad hom argument for women. It's the same one they use for PoC and anyone who's not 'privileged' which is "You don't speak for everyone!" Trust me, it's happened to me before. Or what's worse is them saying I have "internalized misogyny" ugh. I've tried to explain that having a vag doesn't make me your friend and that I like sexy chicks and fanservice and it bothers me that there is some need to get rid of it, but no, I don't speak for everyone interalized misogynist, but they obviously do. Majority rules over minority, I have to deal with the new oppressive femineminist overlords.

>>7694907

I'm assuming they're talking about someone staring at them constantly and being really creepy about it. Although it isn't sexual harassment, I think if they are following you around for a long time doing it, that's stalking and you should be able to report that.

But probably I'm just trying to change their statement into something that makes more sense.

>>7694970
>>7694966

That. If you don't agree with everything they say, they will say you've been brainwashed by the patriarchy. There's no winning.

>>7694607
I feel this post is under appreciated.

My only real problem is with this kind of thing, anything goes. Literally. If a girl feels like it, she can claim anything, and suddenly it's victim blaming to ask for details and it's promoting rape culture to let as the offending party their story, and it's patriarchy at work to have a witness tell what happened.

This gives people way too much power because once people start reporting every little thing the important things become more blurred and it goes too far and innocent people suffer.

It's breeding fear, it's breeding irresponsibility, it's breeding hate on both sides and it's breeding stupidity.

It's like a cried wolf scenario, only this time everyone gets up in arms and attacks the first wolf-like thing they see.

Sounds great, does that mean I can finally get girls to stop screaming "SENPAI NOTICE ME" at the top of their lungs?

>>7695011
No, it doesn't affect that at all, women are free to do what they please.

>>7695005
Honestly, I agree with you. The worst part of all this is that most of these new-wave feminists seem to think that they need to 'get back' at men and take what they're owed. But in reality, no one owes them anything, the patriarchy or w/e society was and is perpetuated by everyone not just men, and they are not at fault for something that existed that they simply grew into, not something they created.

Old feminism acknowledged and understood that. That's why it worked. They new that people who opposed them were wrong and they wanted to make it right, and equal for everyone. Not because they were owed anything for the past, but because in that time there were present issues.

We have few present issues now and most of this whining is about being owed for past mistakes and trying to make a group of people, who hold no responsibility, repay them for something they didn't do.

People who harrass others aren't going to listen to a crusade or manuals or training, they justify themselves in any way they can and pick on people who they think will endure their bullshit or people they'll get a rise out of.
So you know what those who get harassed need to do? Stand the fuck up for themselves. Don't deal with their bullshit and get fucking aggressive. Show them who has the bigger dick in this room, cause it certainly ain't them.

>>7694341
Usually con terms of service have a 'if you attend the convention you consent to being filmed/photographed' section.

>>7694907
This is >>7694641 and I might have used the wrong words and description. >>7694977 has it right.

>>7695044
PAX does it, but PAX also understands the need to simplify rules, unlike most anime types.

>>7694532
>Guys are not "creepy" for stating the obvious about your costume "whoa boobs" "ass" etc.
That's textbook creepy you autist. Would you say it to a random woman on the street if she was wearing a low-cut top?

>>7694123
"do you ride horses?"
"no? well I can teach you how to ride"

>"are you alone"

>>7695063
>Would you say it to a random woman on the street if she was wearing a low-cut top?
You wouldn't?

>>7694118
well I mean... She does have really big tits

>>7695072
People usually ask me if I'm there with anyone.
Then they give me a look of pity when I say no.

I've had creepers of both genders, but only when I've been dressed in a shirtless outfit exposing a ton of skin (guy).

Yes, creepers and harassment happen. Is making a giant legal hassle the solution? Trading one wrong for another won't solve the problem, it'll just prevent people from cosplaying.

Call people out when they creep hardcore, otherwise there isn't really anything to do about it.

>this shit gaining traction
>this fast, so widespread
this won't be limited to harassment, cons are going to be heavily patrolled by the no-fun police now

>>7695126
as if we needed more social justice faggot whiteknights at cons already.

Picture them at the rave with a bible, enforcing the "Leave room for Jesus" bullshit. No PDA. Fuck that. Fuck this. Fuck Social justice. Fuuuuck.
>This kills the convention

>dress up like a massive slut
>get mad when people treat you like one

lol

>>7695063

Nice low-cut top but i'd rather see your low-cut bottom.

>>7695013
>>7694501
>>7694854

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

GO TO /CGL/, THEY SAID, IT'S NOTHING LIKE TUMBLR, THEY SAID

Lmao, typical that attention whoring women would make up bullshit when they aren't getting X amount of attention from beta males

"looking" is not rape, no matter how much you want it to be

>>7695151
This board, it burns.
Pic Fucking Related.

>>7694501

I come from /v/.

I'm here to call you an idiot.

Hello.

>>7695151
Are you trolling? Taking pictures of people's asses without asking is either malicious or just socially retarded, tumblr or not.

>>7695151
Why can't trap-loving faggots from /v/ just admit that they want cock up their ass?

>>7695177
while it is frowned upon, you are free to take pictures in a public area. You aren't allowed to violate someone else's personal space. There is a line where creepshots are still legal, without the subject's consent.

ITT: People from /v/ and /r9k/ who are neither con-goers nor lolitas.
God I hate these threads.

>>7695181
I'm from /fit/, /pol/, /g/, and here. what prize do I win

>>7695183
Being called a faggot.

>>7695184
can I be a faggot with liberal tears on top of a whey cupcake?

>>7695186
Post your current body you hungry skeleton. You don't even lift, besides cocks in your ass.

>>7695192
my dedicated shitposting/gaming rig doesn't have a camera on it, you'll have to hold out a day or two if you wanna mire that hard.

>>7695179
>>7695192
What's with you and this whole cocks and asses thing?

>>7695222
>confirmed for faggot with cock up ass

>>7695180
legal != ethical you dumb cunt
you can be doing completely legal things and still be an autistic creepy sperglord

>>7695248
walk around with your wallet in your hand in the ghetto, you get mugged.
walk around with your asscheeks hanging out of your "costume" at a convention, expect to be objectified.

>but that's victim shaming!
no fucking shit. that's how the real world works. get with the program, snowflake.

>>7695073
I believe that is Anons point. Would you do it outside of a convention? If not don't do it at a convention.

>>7695181
I wish there was a board where they could shit on women elsewhere, oh wait that's half this fucking site.

>>7695254
Hey as long as that objectified means looking and not touching and any comments are said out of earshot of the cosplayer fine. Just don't be rude. Have some manners.

There's a very easy middle ground here for everyone to sit on, but some people like fighting for men's rights and some for SJ so hard that they won't ever find it. Plenty of rules at cons can be amended to better protect congoers from harassment (cut it off before it happens) without detracting from everyone's ability to attend.

To women, remember that a lot of people do just want to talk. They might be alone, they might be ugly, they might be smelly, but they like the game you're cosplaying and want to talk about it with another fan.

Also to all men, think of how you're approaching someone. Not everyone knows how to talk to introduce themselves to other people. And, unfortunately, you have to fail to figure it out. Ugly or not if you have social tact you won't be labelled a creeper by anyone. And remember, most importantly of all, just because she's talking to you doesn't mean she wants the d.

Objectification theory is at its core an attack on hetro-masculinity.

It makes too many bullshit assumptions, like the idea that sexual attraction is somehow mutually exclusive to judging someone as having any other social worth - "He likes her tits so clearly he must think she's an idiot!"

Seriously, fuck you feminists. If I find something attractive, I'm free to say I do. Take your thoughtcrime bullshit back to Tumblr. Any judgement on any aspect of someone is objectifying them, it's retarded.

The other side of the coin is that if you present yourself in a manner associated with a type of behaviour people will conclude you behave in that way. Many manipulative, attention seeking and promiscuous women use their physical appearance to attain what they want. No amount of "We're not all sluts" will change that fact that there is a strong correlation between scantily clad cosplays and that sort of stuff. So while not all skimpy cosplayers are sluts, many are and you shouldn't be surprised if when you dress in that way people think you are.

With regards molestation and physical stuff - Yeah it's wrong. But it doesn't need the feminist SWAT team to deal with it - Call the fucking police you fucking retards. And help yourself by minimising the factors you can influence, such as not drinking to the point your shitfaced and agreeing to go back to stranger's rooms. It's common sense that if you genuinely fear such acts that you try and avoid them as much as you can - not throw yourself in at the deep end and won't why you're always the one who ends up neck deep in the shit.

>>7695291
I just feel this whole cosplay is not consent is a bullshit movement. I do think some issues need light on them and people need to be informed but that is all it should be.

I am tired of all the behind the scenes drama about it. People need to stand up for themselves. If someone says something wrong to you, let them know. Someone puts there hands on you, tell them off and alert security. Want someone to hoverhand instead of touching you waist, let them know.

Let's all just aim to end the stupid after con bitching on how guys were creepy to them and all the things that happened that they didn't prevent or attempt to stop. I rather a girl be a bitch for standing up for herself than be a poor little damsel in distress because her ass cheeks were hanging out.

>>7694255
Did you ignore the posted video on purpose or what >>7694108

>>7695360
faggort being faggort

>>7694952

Because it happens to women more often and "marginalizes" them, therefore this sort of thing happening to men doesn't matter.

Not agreeing with these fuckwits in the slightest, but this is seriously their rationale for their hilarious hypocritical and double standard laden train of thought.

>>7694966

"Internalized Misogyny" is their go-to argument for that one.

Poor women are so hypnotized by DA PATRIARCHY that they can't even think like they do. There's no WAY women would enjoy objectifying themselves or other objectified women! Women CAN'T like tits!

These people are seriously fucking insane.

>>7695305
People won't do that. The whole point of ~social justice~ is to absolve oneself of responsibility for their bodies and feelings and make sure everyone else is responsible for their own actions and feelings and how they affect other people. Which is hypocritical bullshit, but it really boils down to that.

>I can do what I want with my body
>it's creepers jobs not to creep and if someone creeps on me i'm not responsible for taking control of the situation
>it's the bully's job not to bully and if I get my feels hurt anything I decide is bullying but it's not my job to confront them about it
>it's the prude's job not to slut shame me and if I feel slut shamed it's their fault no matter what they meant but it's not my job to try to understand them

It really is that way too. Being held responsible for yourself is VICTIM BLAMING and trying to point out logical fallacies and hypocrisy is VICTIM BLAMING.

No one wants to own themselves personally but they want everyone else to own their own selves and them.

>>7695421
>Because it happens to women more often and "marginalizes" them, therefore this sort of thing happening to men doesn't matter.

See, I hate this logic.

Something bad happening to anyone is wrong. Not to a certain group or a certain demographic or even a certain kind of person. We should be protecting anyone and everyone who is harassed, bullied, hurt, shamed, attacked, etc, even if they're not generally more statistically discriminated against.

I think the main issue is that to SJWs gender, race, sex, weight, everything all of it matters more than the person being hurt. That's why the group people up into superficial defining traits. "Oh your fat you must be oppressed! Oh you're black you must be oppressed! Oh your fat and black, you must have it so awful, I feel so bad that you're fat and black, you lack thin and white privilege, have pity!"

They end up being sexist and racist and prejudiced as hell. It's really disgusting and they'll never ever see it, and that's even more disgusting.

those chicks are pretty busted

>>7695441
You are a god amongst men

9/10 facial aesthetics

Bless you johnny depp-chan

>>7695445
<3

>>7695435

Me too.

See, we have this nice little thing called logic and rational thinking. That in itself is far more helpful and ACTUALLY progressive than "Your rights end where my feelings begin" and helping people unless they fall into a category that you deem "privileged".

Getting offended and speaking up for people that you aren't even a part of (men championing women's rights, white middle class women speaking up for poor black kids, etc.) just seems SUPER facetious to me as well.

Can't these people speak and act for themselves???

As a male cosplayer who has been consistently harassed by landwhales, I find the lack of male representation in this program appalling. Women arent the only people getting harassed at cons.

Fucking feminists.

>>7694246
>the booty is mine
>it belongs to me
>you can not have my boo-ty

>>7695451
>Can't these people speak and act for themselves???

Yes they can, but they face the same flavor of 'ruined by patriarchy' 'internalized racism/sexism/homophobia/etc' 'you don't speak for everyone' that women do.

It's disgusting and awful. I had a friend get called all sorts of things when she said that racism towards whites in all black neighborhoods was real and that reverse racism is just racism, because racism has absolutely nothing to do with social relevance and everything to do with someone discriminating against you because of your race.

But no, that's not true at all cause whites can't be victims of racism since it's not the standard. It's just so, so stupid.

The same with this, I'm sure people actually believe men can't be victims of harassment at cons. And it's stupid and disgusting and needs to stop.

>>7695458

>>7695453
why don't you actually grow some thicker skin and deal with it faggot

>>7695486
This
I show off my sweet abs and get groped in the crotch and I'm not complaining
Nothing like fucking a whale and having blubber bounce on your dick

>>7695254
>walk around with your wallet in your hand in the ghetto, you get mugged.
>file police report

>walk around with your asscheeks hanging out of your "costume" at a convention, expect to be objectified.
>hollaback philly

you are to blame for this.

so are cons just autists running around playing grabass?

>>7695508
>grabass
more like lookieloo but whatever.

>>7695510
>attention whoring
>claiming not wanting attention

>>7695524
Just remember it's only unwanted attention when you aren't attractive to them.

>>7695503
um, both are wrong and illegal. Are you saying theives SHOULD steal because it was just out there waiting to get stolen? stop victim blaming. holy crap.

>>7695025
It's especially bad when the spoiled brat asking for "reparations" is an upper middle class girl under the age of 30. They weren't even alive when sexism was a huge problem, they clearly weren't held back by it, and yet they think they are entitled to be paid back for something they never personally experienced.

Oh wait, a dude she wasn't attracted to once hit on her. Sexism! Harassment! Hurrrrrr.

>>7695561
>Are you saying theives SHOULD steal because it was just out there waiting to get stolen?
No he's saying you shouldn't walk through the ghetto with your wallet in hand if you wan't to be safe and comfortable.
Telling someone to use common sense is not "victim blaming" you spineless faggot.

>>7695561
>objectified
>illegal

wut

>>7695248
>Objectify self
>Get mad when someone takes a picture

If you don't like it don't do slutty cosplays. This is not a difficult concept to comprehend.

>>7695561
Did you just claim its illegal to objectify women?

>>7694946
>It makes me want to fucking kill myself in protest

not that anon but, dude... that's some hardcore offendedness here

Slutty cosplays are sexual empowerment when a feminist likes it, and objectification when they don't like it. Just another case of clueless SJWs being unable to understand why they can't have their cake and eat it too.

SJWs = spoiled brats. The sooner you realize this the easier it becomes to ignore them.

>>7695561
>victim blaming

There is a big difference between victim blaming and telling people to lock their doors. It's amazing how incapable you SJW dumbfucks are at understanding this.

>>7694079
gr8 b8 m8 8/8 lol rekt

>>7695816
I'm just arriving at this discussion but I believe the point is that stealing or touching people without their consent are both terrible things to do, and rather than just accept people will do it and avoid that they do it to you, we should take a stand make sure they understand how bad their actions are?

The problem is that certain cosplayers have an enormous sense of entitlement. They think you can dress in public in a ridiculous outfit with your boobs and ass hanging out and that you can just walk through the con like some sort of beauty pageant up on a stage. Like the public is just supposed to take pictures and admire you from afar like sort of glorious statue in a glass case.

That's not how society works. Conventions are a social event. If you dress like a slut, people will assume you are an outgoing person who doesn't mind such sexual attention. Since, after all, you are being sexual in your attire. If you are a reserved person and this type of attention frightens you, why the FUCK would you choose that as a costume? It's called common sense.

Nobody has the right to sexually harass or molest you. But you do not have the right to try to control what people say or do. It is nobody's obligation to protect you from feeling "uncomfortable" but your own.

>>7695828
People will always commit crimes so that is fucking stupid.
I don't think a thief will stop robbing people because people don't like it.

>>7695914
And we should just sit down and accept that? Or can we try to understand criminals, to understand why do they act the way they do, so we can maybe stop more criminals from appearing? Even when it comes to con pervs, - which is a far less complicated issue - approaching and accomplishing this is difficult. SJW approach looks completely wrong, it's true, but I can't blame them from trying, I guess.

>>7695927

I think you're being WAY too optimistic here.

Being prepared for a situation and knowing how to handle it is a far better approach than trying to weed out and eliminate any would-be offenders of any crime.

The sorts of people that do crimes will never ever go away, and they will not listen to you no matter how much you scream "BUT IT'S WRONG".

Even people that come from good upbringings can do some seriously messed up shit. Better to be prepared for a bad situation and be in control of yourself so you handle it well instead of ending up a quivering lump on tumblr.

These sorts of things aren't good. I don't think anyone is arguing that. Just that going to this sort of length to police cons (and only focusing on women) won't help or change anything.

>>7695927
It's not that, I think. It's that they put sexual related actions on an entirely different pedestal, even though they are very similar.

As a victim of both rape and a mugging, I can say the feelings of fear and violation are somewhat similar. Obviously the feeling of violation from rape is more scarring by a long shot I'm not saying there the same, just similar in that your personal space was violated and taken from you. Both of those situations leave you feeling powerless and hurt.

But even so, these SJW types are trying to make it basical a crime to try to tell people how to keep themselves safe. I have no problem with someone saying to keep safe while drunk and not walk at night in the city alone. Even though there are tons of factors in rape and assault, why not try to address some of them. Ignoring them and telling people it's fine because it should be isn't addressing anything and at the very least prevent something from happening why not.


No one is saying it should happen, nothing bad should happen. And trying to promote caution isn't faulting you, it's simply stating the fact that even though you're not at fault it's a possibility and you should be ready.

>>7695834
Well, one big problem is that a lot of what is considered sexy and slutty is entirely subjective. Wearing pants a couple of centuries ago was considered provocative.
A ton of times I've cosplayed characters that I don't see the sex appeal of, like little magical girls, but apparently that fap material and totally sexy to some people.
Of course, there are obvious lines you can draw, like sexy "genderbends" that are just a bikini top or whatever. But after that, people's definitions of "slutty" vary wildly. In that regard it's not like a cop uniform at all, because cop uniforms aren't subjective. It's not up to opinion whether someone's cop uniform is actually a cop uniform or not.

>>7695816
I think the reason feminism get so adamant about is because that's ALL the dialogue has been for the last however many centuries. It's ALL been "boys will be boys, teehee" and "cover yourself or you asked for it" they are trying to change it and it's incredibly frustrating when people keep insisting women need to know to protect themselves. Like no fucking shit, that's not going to go away overnight just because they're trying to bring a new perspective into the dialogue.

>>7695927
>>7695828
>I'm just arriving at this discussion but I believe the point is that stealing or touching people without their consent are both terrible things to do, and rather than just accept people will do it and avoid that they do it to you, we should take a stand make sure they understand how bad their actions are?
>And we should just sit down and accept that? Or can we try to understand criminals, to understand why do they act the way they do, so we can maybe stop more criminals from appearing?

Yes. Criminal activity will always happen. You can't teach thieves not to steal or murders to not murder or rapists to not rape. Criminal activity stems from a rejection of societies rule, therefore no practice can ever fully prevent them 100%. It is a human flaw that has and will always exist until science advances to the point where we can genetically modify ourselves to a superior species.

That is why the focus is on what the victim can do to stop themselves from being the victim, but SJWs being the complete retards that they are falsely interpret this as victim blaming. Prevention is not blame, nor does it imply that no crime took place. SJWs are ignorant of what is actually being said, and thus the entire basis for them whining about "victim blaming" and "rape culture" is an ignoratio elenchi fallacy.

http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Ignoratio_elenchi.html

>>7695961
No they're not. If they were they would just bring a new perspective in. They're trying to get rid of what they don't like.

It's not victim blaming to tell women or anyone to protect themselves from any situation, but suddenly it is for some reason because it's sexist or something. Fuck off.

>>7695961

Maybe they keep insisting that because it's more effective than trying to "educate" criminals not to commit crimes?

Seriously, it's like you're expecting criminals to go "OOOOOHHH, So THAT's why it's bad and I shouldn't do those bad things! I get it now!" when you "educate" them. They're not going to give two flying fucks how you feel. They only care about what they can get in the end.

Stepping up, watching yourself, knowing what danger signs to watch out for and avoiding those dangers is more effective to help prevent bad things from happening to you.

Even so, bad things can still happen to you, but that is on the fault of the individual who committed those crimes against you, not society.

>>7695987
Obviously, hardcore criminals know right from wrong and chose wrong anyway. However. I do think there are a LOT of guys who don't understand boundaries. They think taking home a girl who's falling down drunk is a-ok. They think that if a girl is wearing a crop top it's okay to touch her or ask lewd questions because they're told that slutty girls like it and deserve it and "good girls" don't do those things. I think there was actually some study recently showing a bunch of guys on college campuses had raped women in the past, but only a certain % of them KNEW it. The rest fell into the "well, she was drunk so she wanted it" category. I don't have the sauce for it though.

>>7694123

>People making some friendly, bawdy jokes, or just compliments
>Mugs like someone said something absolutely horrible to them

>They want conventions to allow third party volunteers from "Hollaback Philly" (a feminist anti-street harassment group) to patrol the convention floor, and police con-goers that have broken their rules.

Now who says women are no fun and ruin everything? Can't even have a fucking con without a patrol telling people what to do?

>>7695132
Social Justice kills everything. Everything is a trigger. It's bullshit. You can't do or say anything without being attacked!

But really, the SJW scene makes me feel like I'm not a true liberal, because I just see it as retarded crazy fucking shit, which apparently makes me... conservative? idk, I consider myself a legit socialist, so I don't identify anywhere anymore

thanks a lot SJW fuckers

>>7696014
>I consider myself a legit socialist, so I don't identify anywhere anymore

I totally feel you. I used to identify as a socialist and feminist and liberal but lately I don't know what to do. I just said fuck it to pretty much everything because all the extremism has grown into a fire that is impossible to extinguish due to echo-chamber social media. There's no way to get away from it, there's no way to stop it.

asking for it?

>>7696029
Are you me? I also used to identify as feminist but that word just sounds dirty now, because when you say it, rather than think "equality" people think "insanity".

>>7696036

Yea, wear some sort of short or something instead of a thong underneath.

There's no denying that the guy doing the recording was a complete creep and in the wrong, but she could have taken steps to not give him the satisfaction he was looking for.

I totally love to bask in the praise and attention of guys, but i could see how you could be annoyed if you're a dyke.
Then again, if you look like a lez, guys usually avoid you like the plague.
Coming from experience, i had my hair short one year and guys just would not approach me.

>>7696046
I might be you! It sucks. All these crazy gender studies brats are flooding good movements with utter garbage.

The worst part is when they try to make people who don't agree with them feel like shit. It's like, things are almost 100% different than just 3 or 4 years ago even.

>>7696047
I kinda fantasize about guys doing that to me when I wear short skirts and revealing clothing.

>>7696052

Do you ever touch other women in ways that would probably be considered creepy if you were a guy?

>>7696054

congratulations. you have a voyeur fetish.

That being said, I'm sure plenty of guys wouldn't mind indulging your fantasy, as long as you have a fantastic ass like the maid in the webm's.

>>7695987
>Seriously, it's like you're expecting criminals to go "OOOOOHHH, So THAT's why it's bad and I shouldn't do those bad things! I get it now!" when you "educate" them. They're not going to give two flying fucks how you feel. They only care about what they can get in the end.

This so fucking much. It suddenly makes perfect sense why most SJWs are upper middle class bitches living in first world countries. They grow up living sheltered lives with few if any serious issues never knowing what it's like having to literally fight for their life, so they enter college thinking that the magic of cultural marxism will somehow educate all the bad in the world away. They actually believe they can talk a sociopath out of being a sociopath. Top fucking lel.

SJWs are really just the younger equivalent of soccer moms. They have no understanding of the world and yet think they are in a position to voice their opinions on how to fix it.

>>7695291
>implying men are the sole offenders.
You have half the problem and half the answer.

>>7696067
My ass is nicer actually, plus I'm tinier and my face is a lot cuter.

>>7696060
noooo i mean I'm not a total cold shoulder kind of girl but my friends totally do like to touch each other in creepy ways but its all in good fun at least i think.

>>7696081
Pics or you're lying

>>7696086
And get labeled as a vain cunt? No thanks, I'll just use the triple-takes I get from every guy everywhere and the amount of times I get hit on even in normalfag clothes as personal validation

>>7696075
>They have no understanding of the world and yet think they are in a position to voice their opinions on how to fix it.

That's most women though, SJW or not.
Bottom line is that a woman needs a man to guide her, kinda tell her what to do and what to think.

And if you think I'm joking, talk to any woman who doesn't have a support like a boyfriend, husband or father, because 9 times out of 10, their opinions are off the wall.

>>7696087
You just contradicted your whole purpose there, anon. Talk about vain cunt.

>>7696087

I thought you wanted to expose your ass to guys?

>>7696089
You don't know what I look like? So my purpose wasn't defeated, lolz

>>7696003

I think you're more on the right track with that line of thinking, but I still think people like that who "don't know" that drunk =/= consent is a thing are just about as much of a minority as actual rapists.

Also, like the pic in >>7695834 says, that's confusing as fuck for people. If you don't want the "unwanted" attention that comes with dressing provocatively, why dress that way in the first place? More importantly, why would you not prepare yourself for any "unwanted" attention?

Go in a group people, don't get separated from them, have a DD that can stay sober and help watch out for any unsavory characters trying to do some bad stuff to your friends. Bringing guy friends along to accompany you to cons and watch out for creeps trying to get a squeeze on something, etc. etc.

Shit, it's not that hard, and is far more effective than teaching people not to rape.

I'm in the military, and every year the same time we have to have an entire day where we stop all but the most essential operations to talk about how "not to rape" people. This is all common sense stuff and we just talk about instances that happened in the past and how "offensive" off color humor can be to others in the work place. It fixes very little and just makes people want to walk on eggshells, even around people they know fairly well.

Again, being in control of yourself and being prepared for the worst will always serve you better than hoping a total stranger will have a change of heart because others have told him how wrong it is to do said bad things.

>>7696087

>My ass is nicer actually, plus I'm tinier and my face is a lot cuter.

>And get labeled as a vain cunt? No thanks, I'll just use the triple-takes I get from every guy everywhere and the amount of times I get hit on even in normalfag clothes as personal validation

>Not a vain cunt

Confirmed for vain cunt or jealous hamplent

>>7696098
>I wanna dress however I want to in public, getting attention shouldn't be my responsibility!
It really is a case of adult children not wanting to care about any consequences for walking around naked.

>>7696087
>>7696081

>My ass is nicer actually, plus I'm tinier and my face is a lot cuter.

>And get labeled as a vain cunt? No thanks, I'll just use the triple-takes I get from every guy everywhere and the amount of times I get hit on even in normalfag clothes as personal validation

>Not a vain cunt

Confirmed for vain cunt or jealous hamplanet, or both.

>>7696088
/r9k/ plz go

>>7695435

Here is a fun fact about SJWs that will blow your mind if you don't already know it: Racists utilize two fallacies known as the "individualist fallacy" and the "ecological fallacy". The individualist fallacy is when a group is judged based on the individual ( Dis here negro did something bad, lets lynch all dem blacks! ) and the ecological fallacy is when an individual is judged based on the majority ( Der be more negros in prison den whity, so dis here nigger is probably guilty of the crime we be accusin him of. We don't need evidence! He black! He guilty! )

This means racism is not just "morally" wrong. It is also wrong on a logical level. These two fallacies result in an innocent person being treated guilty. This is the very definition of injustice.

Now along comes SJWs and their beef about "privilege". The average Male is less likely to experience sexual harassment, so Male problems don't matter as much. See the issue here? SJWs are demonizing and belittling an individual for belonging to a "privileged group". They are assuming that all INDIVIDUALS of a group will benefit for a privilege that only manifests when the AVERAGE is studied. The entire base behind "check your privilege!" is an ecological fallacy! Same thing when they judge all whites as oppressors because of the 1%ers being mostly white, or when "patriarchy" is blamed for all the problems in the world because most of them are men. It's an individualist fallacy.

SJWs are using the exact same flawed reasoning as the philosophy they claim to be against. EXACTLY the same. No differences. They are completely retarded.

>>7694501
>I caught some guy directly behind me trying to take photos of my butt while I was in a costume with short shorts.

Real pros use zoom lenses off distance to get dem booty shots.:)

>>7696103
I know I'm a vain cunt, I meant I don't want people to know what my face looks like. If I'm anonymously a vain cunt idgaf

>>7696128

so post your ass and not your face

>>7696128
No one wanted to see your face, just datass. Obviously you don't got datass if you not showin datass. Tbh, your face is probs busted which is why dudes be giving dat triple take.

If I go around as a female and creep on other females and males will that prove that this issue is an everyone issue and not just men vs women.

>>7696110
there's a picture I had saved on my other computer that was something like...
>It's actually racist to give special opportunities to minorities because that implies they are incapable of overcoming the same obstacles as white people.

>>7696135
This. I doubt you have the total package. A cute face and dat ass? Better looking than the maid webm? And on 4chan posting about your fetishes? Pffft, please.

>>7696142
I've got something similar to what you're trying to say but I'm not sure its exactly what you're looking for

>>7696036
It's funny, because there are lot of studies that show that sexually deviant behavior, such as upskirt videotaping, peeping, bus groping, etc can be directly correlated to sexual repression. The more men are told that they are not ALLOWED to be sexual, the more their sexuality will be expressed in depraved ways. This is also why prison inmates end up with such large amounts of homosexual rape, metrosexuality, etc.

Simply put: the more feminists, and in turn society, demand men stop expressing themselves as men, the more upskirt videos and gropings you're going to see.

Keep this in mind next time you go for the "It's wrong to call a woman sexy in public" rhetoric. You can't put a lid on someone's sexuality.

>I have NEVER been to a con where I wasn’t harassed, or groped, or taunted, or berated, or fondled, or leered at before. NEVER.
Can you resist this modern Esmeralda?

I don't think so. This irresistible pussycat would probably get catcalled in a burka.

>>7696335
>>7696339

In the world of thirst, a man WILL will fuck her with out a doubt.

There are plenty of men who'll go out looking to dick down a fat chick for the night.

>>7696335
Police boxes aren't meant to be round.

>>7696335
>>7696339
>WhyINeedFeminism.jpg

>>7696335
I'm totally going to save this image and rename it "Bigger on the Outside.jpg"

>>7696382
you ever seen a XXL corset before?

>>7696386
No, I usually don't come to this board, I just saw that image on the front page and decided to make jokes about it.

>>7696253
god i wish i could reply to this with an actual argument but i have the feeling you'd intentionally misread it or maybe just straight up ignore it so im not going to. im just going to tell you how fucking annoying you sound shut up oooh my god

>>7696080
Must have missed the middle of that post.

>>7696142
This is under the assumption they have the identical obstacles, which in some cases is probably true but in many can be shown as being simply not the case.

Same thing for women here.

I'm trending towards your side of the argument but this is an awful point to bring up.

>>7696087

Don't you want us to fantasize about your ass?
Think about it, hundreds of anons will droll all over your pics.
If that doesn't get you wet i don't know what will.

>>7694244
>15 year old
underage b&

>>7696335
When a person interprets the mere presence of a member of the opposite sex that they aren't attracted to as "harrassment", I'll bet it really is quite hard to get through a con without being harassed. He's making you FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL uncomfortable so clearly it's always his fault and you aren't being oversensitive in the slightest, because as we all know, the reality around us magically warps to fit in line with our emotions.

Top fucking lel.

>>7694068
It puts me off cons knowing that could happen

http://www.vice.com/en_au/read/cosplay-is-not-consent

>Cosplay is not consent panel
>Run by Cosplay Devients

wat

>>7697083
it's like the Anti-Smoking campaign funded by the tobacco company

>>7697083
>Makes a living out of stripping out of costume
> 'Just because I am dressed up, doesn't mean I aim to serve your fantasies.'

Yes you do, you stupid horsefaced bitch

>>7695946
>feeling of violation from rape is more scarring by a long shot

pretty big assumption there

When I dress up like a whore it's because I'm asking for it.

>>7696036
can't say for sure. Please post more evidence.