/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Has anyone sent feedback to Affrilliation yet? Can we discuss what we think could've been better?
I'm currently working on my feedback list so I'll pitch in when I write it all out.

>>6892235
-Staggering the model call so it's not so hectic or boring
-Better tea and food at the tea, maybe buffet style with options for those with allergies
-Better communication about who is being chosen and not chosen for modeling and with other announcements as well (like the ones about free lunch at the consuites and consignment)

>>6892252
It would have been nice if they'd given the models tickets with numbers to let them know when to come backstage to get their hair and makeup done.
ex. everyone with tickets numbered 1-10 shows up at 4 PM, everyone numbered 11-20 shows up at 4:30, etc.

I was upset about the amount of panels that were canceled. I remember sitting for a half hour in one waiting for the host to show up, and instead a staff member came in and told us that it was canceled. It was a bit of a let down, though considering the host was stuck in traffic it was understandable.
Maybe hosts should arrive earlier just in case.

>>6892344
Was there any reason that *so many* were cancelled?

>>6892212
I want more deets on the model who threw a fit when she didn't get to model Innocent World.

>>6892442
She had higher expectations for herself because she's been modeling for years~ Or so I heard.
She expected to model for Innocent World but didn't get that so she threw a hissy fit. She complained about the dress and said she refused to smile on the catwalk because of how pissed off she was. Major bitch face. What's funnier is that she talks in this fake voice to sound all cute. If I had my camera or phone at the time, I would've recorded it.

>>6892319
I've never run a fashion show before, but even I know that that isn't going to be feasible. There's no telling exactly how long each person will take, so even ballpark estimates can be way off after just a few girls.

>>6892486
I've been in multiple fashion shows and all of them, ALL OF THEM, have had staggered call times so that no one is just sitting and waiting around for hours.

Someone please post pictures. No one on my friend's list who've gone have posted anything yet and the anticipating is crawling in my skin.

Posted this in the other thread, copying and pasting here:
Am I the only one who was disappointed with the fashion show? For some reason we thought the fashion show would begin at 8 right when the dance began but for some reason it was common knowledge with staff and models that it would be at 10 pm. I wish they would have clearly stated in the program when it started just because I left dinner with a friend early since I didn't want to miss the show. Also a lot of the models walked really fast and posed really awkwardly. A few girls I could tell were not use to heels and almost feel (esp the girl in the red shoes). I also felt the lighting was kind of bad from where I was sitting on the side so you could only take good pics if you were sitting directly in front. Maybe I'm being picky but I wasn't a fan of the music and some of the coordinates. Other than the fashion show, I had a lot it fun and would definitely go again next year, if they can afford it. They were asking for donations on fb before the con so I'm kind of worried they are in the hole..

Fashion show vid is up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzaQo4bOMSQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

anyone do consignment from last year and can let me know how long it took to get paypaled money?

>>6892653
Not exactly a photo but this was posted in the in the previous thread.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=jzaQo4bOMSQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjzaQo4bOMSQ%26feature%3Dyoutube_gdata_player

>>6893507
Whoops that was actually posted here. Ignore me.

>>6892992
1st model >awesome
3rd model > wtf are you walking so slow? afraid to trip?
btw is everyone a little teapot, short and stout?

>>6892857
>They were asking for donations on fb before the con so I'm kind of worried they are in the hole..
Oh that is kind of sad. I hope they at least broke even.

For those of you who are content starved, here's a link to a video of the fashion show.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzaQo4bOMSQ

>>6893558
With such a niche con you'd imagine no major events would overlap at all. As for the fashion show i'm seeing way too many outfits without blouses and it's disappointing.

>>6893671
I'm afraid someone beat you to the punch

>>6893723
I think most indie designers don't know how to/are too lazy to make blouses and that's why they never show them. At the acen show it was mostly boleros or bare shoulders.

>>6892555
Wow really? None of the ones I've been in have. Usually, you're just expected to wait because once you're ready, it's not like you can go wear your outfit out in front of the audience before the show starts.

>>6893752
As a brand who doesn't make blouses, would it be bad to show them with brand/storebought blouses? I just assumed everyone did that...

>>6893671
Thanks for posting the link! I have a lot of comments about this video, which makes me really doubt the type of quality control they have over the fashion show.

1) Inconsistent pacing of the models. Some walked too fast, some too slow.
2) Why are they pairing Japanese brands with indie brands? Typically you'd want to showcase the work of the indie brands and highlight that. I got distracted by the AP accessories in some of these.
3) Replica bags in use, really now?
4) While I realize these girls walking the runways aren't models, why are they all hunched over? It distracts the viewers and makes the clothes look sad
5) Megan Maude... those clothes I've seen over and over again in other shows. Nothing new... really now?
6) Someone's bra straps were showing. This is not acceptable in a fashion that emphasizes modesty.
7) The silhouette of a lot of designs were killed by the wrong shape of petticoats. I see bell shaped petticoats used for skirts and dresses meant to have A-line underneath.
8) Pairing of shoes. Holy crap, the shoes that some of these models wore were not right for the look of the design. What kind of notification was given for them?

>>6893900
While I think your points are valid, I've never seen a lolita fashion show (that wasn't a brand show with all pro models) that didn't have issues #1, #4, #7, and #8. You often get assigned models at the last minute, they forget to bring stuff even if you have pre-arranged for them to bring stuff (i.e. tights, shoes) and in some cases have never modelled before so they don't know how to walk a runway. Also with this show, as with several others I've been involved with, there was no run through or practice which would have helped with pacing.

I think the show went pretty well, especially compared to some I've seen, and was better than last year's. There's always room for improvement but I'd give it a grade B at least, considering amateur models and the amount of chaos that was going on backstage (mostly caused by the hotel switching the prep space and the sheer number of models & designers to have to herd)

>>6893866
I think it's kind of tacky to show clothes you didn't make in a fashion show that is supposed to showcase clothes you made. I think this is why most people have models that are bare shouldered or make boleros.

That said I also think bared shouldered lolitas are tacky, so I appreciate when an indie designer makes a blouse to go with the dress.

>>6893923
That makes no sense. By that logic, indie designers should all be sending out sockless barefoot models too?

>>6893933
Last I checked, most designers didn't claim to make shoes and socks, or even jewelry and accessories for that matter. But saying you make lolita clothes, and then showing a brand blouse in your runway show is pretty stupid.

>>6893946
I don't see how it's stupid. I wasn't in this show but I usually show my dresses with brand blouses. I have no interest in making blouses and I don't think Lolita looks right blouseless so I'm not sure what else I am supposed to do.

>>6893970
This. A lot of indie designers don't make blouses. I certainly have no interest in blouse making.

is anyone else having a hard time loading all the photos from the fb page? I know there's more than what are showing on the event posts.

>>6894120
They could be private.

I think there should be a limit next time on how many of each brand item you can buy. This girl bought every single IW necklace, which seems unfair to everyone else. I heard other people at the con complaining about it too, even those who had VIP access.
AP doesn't let you buy up multiples of one item in a popular release either, for example.

>>6894130
>>6894120
I would share pictures but most of mine are of my friends and I. I really wish I took more photos of others and the events.

>>6894132
But they're all different items. There were a limit on how many of the same items you could buy like the mucha tights. I think it's fair game as long as it's not multiples of the same item.

>>6893350
I did it for MTAC and she said 7-10 business days so I assume it's the same this time around.

>>6894149
This. They did limit people buying duplicates of exact same items like the tights since they had 5-6 pairs of the Mucha ones. It would be really nitpicky to limit the number of the same type of item. If you want to see more variety send a message to IW telling them you want to see more stock at Frill next time.

I was waiting for the Automatic Honey stuff Saturday morning and they made it clear you could only buy one ring and one necklace since they were all identical. One girl came in later than me and I saw her get turned away at the register when she tried to buy 2 rings because all the necklaces went in the first 10 minutes.

>>6894132

hi, I actually asked the staff if it was ok first. I also gave up the headband I picked up first because someone else was reaching for it. Had someone been like "this is all I wanted" ;__; I'd have given them a necklace too. I'm sorry if you wanted one; I didn't know. They are all still on the IW site so you could order them there? I mean, honestly I was planning on buying two of the three in those exact colorways already and I told a friend who was also a VIP that I was going after the rose necklace the night before (I couldn't see the bow one in the show). I mean I didn't buy a lot of highly-wanted things with my VIP status. Those necklaces and an indie headband were literally my only purchases that were from VIP rushing where someone else might have wanted one. Ask me next time? I don't bite and I hate making other peoplr sad....I'm sorry if it wad rude. I was trying to follow all the rule.

Was anybody else totally weirded out by the speech during the tea that just wouldn't stop? That director just kept droning on and jumping from topic to topic and it made me so embarrassed to be listening to her. One of the girls at my table actually got up and left and came back 30 minutes later she was so uncomfortable with it. The other directors shouldn't let her talk if she doesn't have any better stage presence than that.

>>6894206
I missed the tea. Which director was it?

>>6894206
Oh c'mon it wasn't that bad. They talked for maybe 10 minutes and then said they'd continue at the feedback session after the tea.

>>6894188
Boo, they're just mad. Though it would have been funnier to parasol duel over the best brand.

>>6894209
I know what you are talking about. it was super awkward. I think her name is Andrea. All weekend every time I saw her all I could think was that I've never seen somebody who has such a poor grasp of how to put on make-up and look presentable.

>>6894225
I laughed heartily. Parasol duels should be used to determine everything in lolita now.

>>6894188
Yeah, I think anon is just butthurt. You were the fastest so rock those necklaces!

>>6894206
What I thought was funny was when someone had a problem or issue they would blame the director that wasn't there, which I thought was unprofessional. Take the feedback, say thanks and be done. Don't play the blame game.

>>6893900
Pretty much all of the things you mentioned are a problem with using real Lolitas for the show instead of professional models who have no personal stake in the clothes.

I've never seen a Lolita fashion show with professional models, and as far as I'm concerned, this was the best one I've ever seen.

>>6894206
Eh, I thought Andrea talked too much considering a lot of people were tired and ready to go home, but I can see why she wanted to get a closing speech in for the convention. And as another anon mentioned, it was more like 10 minutes rather than 30. It probably just felt longer.

>>6894209
during feedback someone recommended having a lolita superlatives event to make it more like high school. she'd win "MTF most likely to always look like a halfass drag queen"

>>6894247
That's just cruel and uncalled for. I know this is cgl but gawd you're a bitch.

>>6894225

oh noooo, I'd totally have lost. I only had my colapsable umbrella. I was afraid to check a stick parasol on the plane. last time I battled with it I nearly got kicked in the head.

>>6894247
Why would anyone want things to be more like highschool.

>>6894269
>>6894269
>>6894269

This. Thanks, anon. High school is awful.

More of Little Miss Hissy Fit

>>6894132
There were very few other VIPs in the room and I didn't hear anyone complain at the con about her buying all three. And I was there when she asked first about buying them too.

>>6894206
I for one think this was a very good speech. Far too often people forget what is involved in these things. /cgl/ especially takes it for granted and forgets how much blood and sweat goes into putting something like Frill together. I give Atlanta so much credit for doing this, and the director for bringing it into light.
I wish my community was capable of sticking together and creating something like this, but no one wants to take the time and money out to pull through.

>>6894342
Oh goodness she walked ever so awkwardly. Made that Atelier Pierrot dress look horrid :(

How did the artist ally go? Did you have to stay at your table all day, or was there a set time for it to be open?

>>6894342
Everything about that was just bad. Walked too fast, had the most awful look on her face and she didn't pose at the end, just kind of walked off stage.

Plus the dress didn't suit her, she's far too muscular/manly for it, really need a blouse imo and that petticoat they gave her. Just no.

>>6894342
Hissy fit? What's the story behind that?

>>6894549
It's a gothic look so imo stronger features are ok. She could have walked and posed better.

>>6894243
Pretty much. But buying all the correct petticoats, shoes, etc, and hiring models would be more money that these amateur designers don't have.

>>6894566
Too lazy to explain but here
>Omg the pierrot model that threw a tantrum because she didn't get to wear innocent world.


>>6891712 #
I saw that! I was a model too and when one of the organizers handed that model the Pierrot dress I heard the model say "This is the ugliest fucking thing I've ever seen." She was lucky they didn't just send her home out acting like that in front of the other designers and models. I found her picture from the show, she's really unattractive. I don't know why they picked her to model for one of the brands to start with.

>>6893350
I sent things last year to Frill, and to their pop up shop at MTAC. It takes 7-10 days.

>>6894247
>>6894258
Wooooow! What a cuntmunch! Seriously, I wish you'd have said something like that there with me standing nearby. Classless bitch.

>>6894524
It was in an open area, with no hours besides the con hours so you had to pack up your things when you were done for the day (some people covered their displays with a blanket etc but I wouldn't be so trusting).

>>6894597
No worries, she won't be accepted to model for Frill ever again, I'm sure, so we won't have to deal with her tantrums and massive bitch face. She seriously glared at everyone on the way down the runway and back.

Two of the Pierrot models didn't have blouses because someone couldn't find them. Not sure how that happened since they had the blouse for the model in the red dress. They must of found them later since there were 3 Pierrot blouses in the boutique the next day.

>>6894597
In an early Frill thread, someone was excited and said they got chosen for IW and another anon told them they're lying since there's no way she didn't get chosen.

>>6894600
Thanks so much!
Does anyone know how much it cost and if sales were good

>>6894206
Wow, way to blow that speech out of proportion. I thought it was appropriate and I was definitely interested in what Andrea had to say... I feel like Frill could easily become a safetynet where people could go and just enjoy themselves. Unlike the internet where bitches are catty and rude.

It's nice to hear the process that they went through to go about making this event... and the fact that they managed to make such a huge leap compared to last year! I wasn't there... but I was told it was a rough first year.

Do you have a short attention span or something? Or was the prospect of eating clouding your judgement. I've certainly heard longer speeches in school... her's was deserved (considering they worked hard to make this event) and was reasonable in length.

>>6894247
Why would we as a community want to hold onto highschool as a measure...? Most of us are grown ass women. Keeping us in the highschool mentality would only encourage Lolitas to be immature and like gossiping teenage girls.

On a side note: You are a complete bitch. I wish you said something like that in the event where people could actually handle you accordingly. Andrea was sweet and doesn't deserve such a rude comment AT ALL. For god's sake she headed our Fashion Walk and showed us around! I wish I could see your ugly mug so I could spit in your face at Frill next year.

>>6894632
>I feel like Frill could easily become a safetynet where people could go and just enjoy themselves. Unlike the internet where bitches are catty and rude.

You're in the wrong part of the internet.

>>6894632
Yeah, the speech wasn't that long. My guess is that they just weren't there, just want to insult/cause drama and hurt people, are a bigot, or all of the above. My bet is on the latter.

>>6894640
Hurrduuurrrrrr-

I know the people on /cgl/ like to use the retarded argument that "You shouldn't expect anything less from /cgl/". But it doesn't negate my comment... Frill could be a great place to just feel safe. You certainly can't feel safe on the internet. People just like to tear each other apart.

>>6894646
While I agree with you, people will talk about you no matter what. If you don't think people are gossiping about other girls AT frill, you're out of your mind.

>>6894655
Too bad they can't let loose and be their shitty selves in person. I guess there's a lot at stake, however, what with the potential for public shaming, expensive dresses and ugly mugs at risk of getting all jacked up in response to such comments.
They're right to be afraid and keep in line at the event. Far safer for them to be themselves here for them than there. CGL is their safety net.

>>6894664
But now you're being shitty by gossiping about them.

>>6894646
Fair enough. But is it so hard to believe that we could build the community to try and work on that? To try and connect us and build bonds? We are all in the same hobby. It isn't like we don't have similar interests.

It's bothersome that people just accept the world as it is and don't try to make ANY effort to make it better.

>>6894664
Dude, do you realize that's how every person on the planet works basically? People talk about eachother behind closed doors all the time, it's not the nicest thing, but it's nicer than telling someone they're a fug bitch to their face.

Ever had a bad day at work, shoot the shit with your coworkers because your boss is a dick? You're doing the same thing that everyone else does.

And sure, maybe people thinking you're a bitch isn't the same as possibly losing your job, but don't act as if you've never trash talked someone with your friends behind your back. It's not about safety nets, it's about having shame, but you should still get your jealousy, bitchiness and rage out, because it's bad to hold it in.

>>6894664
This. A thousand times this.

I WISH someone went ahead and acted catty about me or my friends. Heck... or if I heard anyone whispering about someone else. I would curb stomp a bitch into changing her ways. Ain't nobody got time for your bullshit, honey.

I think it's significant that there are fewer pics from the event this year than last year. No one wants to subject themselves to the chan's impossible standards of perfection because everyone falls short (even the models.)

If you don't like what's being said or discussed here though it is so easy not to come here. Find your chums on the frill FB page and talk there if you want to connect. No one's doing that here.

>>6894597
What a fucking cunt. What's funny is that the IW models were announced first, so IW must have passed her up. If she didn't want to model for any other brand, why didn't she just turn it down? I'm sure there were other people that would have loved to

>>6894670
We aren't gossiping about anyone? We are complaining about the personification of bullies. Because we cannot pinpoint one currently. I only get pissy when I come across people acting out negatively. Like these comments in this thread... girls trying to stir up drama when there isn't any. The so-called hour long speech and the ugly drag queen woman? Defug? People are just pulling reasons to complain out of their ass.

>>6894673
Okay, annnnd? We shouldn't try to meditate that at all? I guess we shouldn't have developed space travel because hurrduuurr all humans are generally stupid, amiright?

Maybe instead of trying to hard to argue for these negative attributes you try to be a better person? I'm in no way the Dalai Lama but instead of festering in our own filth of self perpetuated misery we could work to be sweeter to each other?

>>6894670
Gossiping about? Who? What? Where? There's a super difference between calling out someone by name and trash talking them like has been done here, and calling out the person(s) doing so without having names, anyhow. The latter doesn't even count. *I'm* being shitty? You're fucking wrong. I have not yet begun to be shitty.

>>6894675
>if I heard someone gossiping, I would murder them

yes, you seem much more pleasant than someone gossiping about someone's dress

>>6894680
Funny how that works. There is hardly any drama to bitch about besides a few hiccups... so this thread is basically dead. I swear people are just angry that there isn't much to complain about because the convention clearly made vast improvements in such a short time.

>>6894691
You sound like people gossip about you a lot.

>>6894688
>instead of festering in our own filth of self perpetuated misery we could work to be sweeter to each other

Aren't these people sweet to you in real life? It's healthy to get out your negative feelings, some people just need to talk about others.

If anything we should be learning to not let it affect us as much because then the people doing it wouldn't have as much drive to do it because there would be less of a reaction. People's opinions are as important as you make them, and it's my view that instead of trying to make everyone around us nicer, we should be changing ourselves to love ourselves enough to not rely on the opinions of others to measure our lives.

A lot of self-image issues are self-perpetuated because people can't learn to accept themselves for who they are and they basically need others to validate them to feel comfortable in their own skin.

>>6894694
Never said I was.

But it would have been nice to deal with a smack-talker in person than just have a string of text complain on the internet.

Too bad having duels is outlawed. We could truly have survival of the fittest.

>>6894342
IMO that's hilarious

>>6894703
Fair enough. Good point.

But I will continue to hold on to my belief that we should work on the drama train that is our community. That wont change.

>>6894695
Not even drama, just some things that were suboptimal and can be improved. I think things were excellent for a con that is in its second year and being managed entirely by volunteers. I'm definitely getting VIP next year for the shopping but I had a tremendous amount of fun just hanging around lolitas all weekend.

>>6894705
Being a vapid cunt online does not have any relation to intelligence, you know. If you're talking survival of the fittest it seems as if you would be picked off quite early. Oh, my mistake, when people make negative comments, they're clearly always conveyed in the most rudimentary way possible; "OMG LIEK SHE IS SOOO FUGLEH!!"

>>6894696
>>6894696
Haha. You sound like you want to bait me. Nice try. I wouldn't know if people are gossiping about me. Sounds like nobody believes whoever might be doing so since it never makes it back to hurt me. So I guess that means I win. Yay me.

>>6894713
>the girl claiming there was a super huge speech

>grl claiming that an event organizer looks like a man

How is that not pulling complaints out of nowhere? That speech wasn't awful... it was reasonable.

>>6894705
I don't know, I think it's more worrying that you're saying you would murder someone over snickering over a dress or saying "omg! Did you see her makeup? Look in a mirror!"

I'd rather have someone engage in petty gossip than throw around violent rhetoric because they think they're edgy.

VIP tickets are going to sell out in an hour next year. They sold out in 6 days this year and now everyone plans to get VIP.

>>6894712
I never said we shouldn't try, but perhaps instead of trying to work on trying to fix everyone else, people should work on themselves, then it would pretty much dissolve, though there is always going to be that "one bitch", either way, I am not actually very active in my comm, simply due to the fact that they're full of so many insecure people, on both ends of the spectrum, bullies and people to bully, I usually go for a few meets and befriend the few mellow people in the comm.

Fashion communities are pretty viscous simply because they're based on superficial things, everyone thinks they dress the best and that they know the most about how to do so.

>>6894720
. . . .what are you even saying? Nowhere in my post did I correlate survival of the fittest to intelligence. There are certainly a number of idiotic people who know how to jump real good or some shit. Survival of the fittest meaning... if some bitch has a problem with you, you could fight and see which one comes out on top.

>>6894728
I got heated because someone made the cruel comment about one of the women looking like a drag queen. I don't know her personally... but I can appreciate the hard work she put in to the convention. It's sickening to think that she worked so hard and all someone could think to say is... she looks like a man?

>>6894732
The term survival of the fittest has very little to do with actual physical confrontation. Either way, being a bitch has no correlation with fighting ability either. I feel like my point is still proven.

>>6894727
I'll have mine again. VIP was awesome. I didn't even do that much shopping in the consignment or boutique- I slept in. There was food and drinks in the suite. There was alcohol available all day and night at the in-hotel bar and in the suite at night and the dance and the tea party.. There were all these places to go outside of the hotel for shopping and food/snacks, and drinks. I partied and socialized the entire time, and met fun lolitas from all over the place. I honestly forgot to take a lot of pictures myself, but others got a ton of nice pictures of me and everyone else in passing and during events.

>>6894742
Maybe you should look towards improving yourself, since your first instinct to a banal nasty comment, which is better left ignored as nasty coments are, is extreme violence.

>>6894751
Oh, I don't know I've witnessed some gossip in person at events like this, maybe not to that extent cruelty-wise, and I always thought how nice it would be to just ball up my fist and.. well. Or at least a good backhand to the face. I don't know that I'd ever do it, but it's such an amusing thought.

>>6894771
You sound like you might need some therapy, tbh.

>>6894786
Wow, you really want to pick a fight. You're trying to hard just to stir up shit, though. It's so obvi that there's not a lot going on here and it's driving you batty. Sorry to disappoint you, but you're barking up the wrong tree.

>the senseless argument in this thread

>>6894795
You beat me to the punch. Whenever there are social justice girls complaining in a thread, the /cgl/ girls try to turn it on the tumblr girls and claim they are the REAL bitches for commenting on the heat of the kitchen.

Idiots barking at each other because there is nothing else to complain about.

Have a nice night, idiots.

Cap: high-school ipscfer

This thread is making me think of highschool

>>6894801
>>6894801
It's really obvious that you are

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>>6894726

Ok to be fair, Andrea is either a pre-op or post-op (I don't really know at all) male to female transwoman. She does look very masculine and that is just simply the truth. She is extremely sweet and I'm envious how she ALWAYS seems to be enjoying herself and whatever she's doing 110%. She really is an amazing person.

>>6894789
I'm not stirring up shit. I'm commenting on your behavior, which is slightly disturbing.

>>6894642
You are my hero, anon.

>>6894804
>Idiots barking at each other because there is nothing else to complain about.

So.... only two of those posts were mine. Unless when you say "you" you mean a collective of people. Either way, I think you should just give up.

>>6894850
Since I am not the same anon(s) threatening violence, I don't think my behavior is in question.

>>6894925
>So.... only two of those posts were mine.
I'm not even that anon but all of those posts are from the same 'lets duel' violent-bitch anon. All of them.

>>6894937
Nope. Only 89 and 71 were mine.
Sorry you aren't right.

>implying the girl going SAY IT TO MY FACE, I'D CURB STOMP YOU, BITCH wouldn't just turn red and look to the ground if she heard someone gossiping about her in public

>>6894939
Then why did you initially reply as someone else? I don't get it. You're saying you're only part of the posts when clearly all of them were form the same person because they were all to anons who quoted only one person.

>>6894935
>Since I am not the same anon(s) threatening violence, I don't think my behavior is in question.

>I always thought how nice it would be to just ball up my fist and.. well. Or at least a good backhand to the face. I don't know that I'd ever do it, but it's such an amusing thought.

>>6894597
>Complaining about modeling for Atelier Pierrot

That fucking bitch.

>>6894961
Like I said, only those two were mine. I replied to some comments but I never said I was someone else.

>>6894960
I said it was an amusing thought, and that I wouldn't do it. Your reading comprehension is whack.
And we're done. Good night.

>>6895000
>violence is an amusing thought

you have problems

>>6895276
Pot, meet kettle.

If you're on /cgl/, you have problems. Myself included.

>>6895388
>vague generalizations mean i win the arguement, but as long as i martyr myself no one can call me out on it ^___^

>>6895400
>calls you out on it while saying i won't call you out on it
mfw

>>6895477
What??

lol

>>6894727
Depending on funding they might even increase to 30 VIPs or a little more.

Every time a Frill thread pops up, it goes fine until one person post ONE nasty comment then BAM hell breaks loose.

You guys gotta learn to let things go damn

>>6894982
I didn't get picked to model at all, and I would have loved to model that dress. Who turns their nose up at Atelier Pierrot?

>>6894206
This was me, just this one single post complaining about the length of a speech and poor stage presence but somehow this went on into hating on the person giving it for her looks and other bull. Now however I'm getting lumped in with the people calling her unattractive and all sorts of other names because I criticized how awkward her speech made my table feel?

Way to blow everything out of proportion /cgl/. It's always a pleasure.

>>6895826
That's what you get for exaggerating how long the speech was. There's no way your "friend" came back 30 minutes later - the whole speech was not that long.

>>6895847
I didn't say the speech was 30 minutes I said she was gone for 30 minutes. She just got up and left and was so annoyed she waited that long to come back. Learn to read, it doesn't say 30 minute speech.

>>6895853
Nobody else but you was weirded out by the speech, and your "discomfort" was probably interpreted as "discomfort" around a transperson because there was really nothing uncomfortable about the speech at all. Therefore you got lumped in with the hater. Go cry somewhere else now.

>>6895861
I'm not the same poster but I feel like I can't dislike what she does because it's immediately labeled as trans hate. It's really fucked up that trans people get some special scale to judge them because everyone is so afraid of looking like a bigot when trans people can be annoying the same as anybody else. I've interacted with A a number of times and never liked her. Her whole personality comes off as totally fake, like deep down she doesn't care about anybody she's chatting with. I'm only posting here because within my community the same attitude is really pervasive, never say anything negative about A or get labeled a bigot. It's completely unacceptable to dislike her just because she's trans. That's not the way equality works.

Andrea's a little strange but she seems to mean well. I think it's just the estrogen that makes her overly emotional. It's obvious that she's put a lot of her own time and effort into Frill and I think it says a lot about Frill and the ATL comm that she is welcome to have a leadership role and that everyone accepts her for who she is even though she isn't the most kawaii lolita ever.

I thought the speech was a little awkward, but being a genderqueer loli myself, It made me feel much more comfortable coming to Frill knowing I would be accepted.

>>6895956
Queer folks of any variety, male or female or inbetween, don't make me uncomfortable in any way.

Andrea can be kind of a bitch, though.

>>6896002
The only interaction I had with Andrea was the speech, so I have nothing to go on. I didn't think it was uncomfortable or long. It reminded me of the speeches I sat through when I went with my mom to her various "women's group" functions - slightly boring but I could tell it meant a lot to the speaker. Also it was good to learn how they had so many more out-of-town people this year and how they had address most of the suggestions from last year.

Also it would have had to be way way more uncomfortable or boring to overshadow the shittiness of the tea that followed.

>>6896002
I met her in the consuite earlier Saturday with some of the girls from the Florida. D.C. and New York communities and she seemed very nice but rather talkative. She did seem to imply that the Atlanta lolitas were cheap compared to the New York lolitas who were willing to pay for the con which made me think that perhaps not as many atlanta lolitas showed up as they expected.

>>6896033
That's extremely unprofessional for her to say something like that especially about her local community when she's also a mod.

>>6896033
I can see that being true, since NYC has expensive events a lot more than other comms seem to.

>>6896065
well yeah one of the comms in NYC went on a boat for ILD last Saturday. mind you it was an expensive boat, not one of those a fisherman would go out on.

>>6896038
>>6896033
Honestly, the way she said it wasn't THAT bad. She wasn't like "ughhh I hate my cheap ass comm". It was more like "New York lolitas have more expensive meet ups and know what these sorts of things cost so the ticket price seemed more reasonable to them"

>>6896033
>>6896082
New anon here, piggy backing on the response to the "cheap ATL lolita comment", I was present for this conversation, and she didn't imply any such thing about the ATL community. Several girls had other things happening and couldn't make it, sure. She wished there was more representation from the ATL community, but LBH, there were a TON of ATL lolitas there even still.

>>6896033
I'm sure she didn't mean that comment in a bad way but it still kind of irks me. All the staff was Atl girls, working long hours for free to help them out. Like we are not cheap nor do we not understand how much work that goes into that,

Let's be honest here, we have a lot of cheap ass lolitas in the Atl comm who aren't as supportive of Frill as they really should be.

The kind of "why leave my house to do things when I can stay inside and spend my money on dresses" types.

>>6896237
> as supportive of Frill as they really should be
no one is required to come to Frill or even like it

>>6896243
If you don't support your local scene, you won't have a local scene.

>>6896243
Maybe its me but if a group of my friends were putting on a nice big event of some kind I'd think I needed to attend to show my support for them. And I'd really want to attend especially if it was relevant to my interests.

>>6896252
>>6896253
Atlanta Lolitas are just spoiled, for the past 3-4 years there has always been the same few people who were always planning and organizing events so most of the girls just don't even remember what it was like when nobody cared enough to make quality events. They don't remember the days when it was "meet at this crappy cafe and the organizer will be 2 hours late to her own meet."

>>6896237
>implying people should HAVE to support Frill

Girl, no. Especially considering how many bridges Megan has burned.

>>6896252
The Atlanta community was doing just fine before Frill, they will do just fine after

>>6896253
You forget that this is a community that is based off of ONE interest we all happen to share. There are 300+ people in the comm, not everyone is super close friends with everyone.

>>6896237
>>6896256
Frill is not our community, Frill is a con that few people in our community run. I shouldn't be required to show up to said con. That is just fucking rude, that's really rude to make it seem like people are bad members because they don't want to or cannot afford to go to your con.
I'm really mad right now. People aren't obligated to go this.

>>6896237
Wow, this attitude is disgusting

The idea of paying $XX to spend three whole days surrounded by lolitas and lolita activities is not in any way appealing to me, even though I do like the style.

Am I some kind of cheap bitch just because I don't want to "support" your shitty con?

>>6896293
I don't think anon is implying that you should have to pay to go to the con just that you should find some way to support your local con and the people who work really hard to provide your local community with events and activities, Frill included. You can support the event even if it's just sharing stuff on your facebook page to show you care. You don't have to shell out for a ticket.

>>6896302
I can see what anon is trying to say but I think they did a bad job saying it. I know a lot of the people who don't attend/support frill are the same people who complain where there is no meet up or event planned for them to go to this month.

Atlanta is a big comm with a lot of different kind of people but the Atl turn out was really disappointing. I noticed they even seemed a little short staffed at the event. I got my VIP pass so I didn't volunteer but I'm really surprised more other people didn't volunteer so they could hang out over the weekend for free. Over the past 6 months or so I know a lot of our local girls complained they couldn't go because of how expensive it was but they didn't volunteer either.

>>6896329
>you should find some way to support your local con and the people who work really hard to provide your local community with events and activities

But why? Idgaf about most of the people in my local community.

>>6896338
Then why are you even in it?

>>6896362
I'm in it for the people I do like and care about.

There's like 200 people in my local community. I don't have to care about all of them.

I'm still bummed about missing the first frill con because it was literally down the street from my house, I just happened to be out of town that weekend. If I had found out about it sooner, I would have stayed home and checked it out.

Sage for completely irrelevant rambling.

>>6896338
I feel you anon, I went to 1 or 2 meets got some friends and then pretty much bounced, except for really big ones. Comms, especially big ones are like clubs, they're not families.

>>6896397
Huh? I've always been treated well and like family in my comm, and it's pretty big and growing. I guess some comms don't have that feeling of unity. Glad ours does.

I don't think that anyone thinks you're required to attend Frill or support it. Whatever if you don't, that's your prerogative. I think some of the sadness about this comes from how excited and positive a lot of people were about it, only not to seem to care suddenly. But it's okay if they're busy with work/life/whatever. As with most successful conventions, the right people will step up and be a part, make a contribution in some way, and the people who enjoy it will be back, and the convention will grow.

If you spend time in your local comm and support it, cool. If not, then not. Just like if you support Frill, that's awesome, but if not, what right do you have to complain about what happens there? Pretty much none and GTFO, thanks.

>>6896329
This is exactly what I was trying to say. And I was specifically making a stab at the girls who always say "ooh I'm way too broke to come to any events" but then turn around and buy a ton of new dresses and then never wear them out anywhere.

I'm the anon who said
>If you don't support your local scene, you won't have a local scene.

I wasn't specifically referring to Frill, just to your local events in general. It should obviously go without saying that if you don't want to have a local scene or don't care about having one, then don't support it.

But in that case, I don't know WTF you're even doing in this thread, because those of us who actually care about having events in our region don't want you around.

>>6896556
Stop
People are not obligated to spend their money on things they don't want to spend them on.
People are not obligated to show up to events, they don't want to go to.

People are community members, not customers.

People shouldn't be obligated to do ANYTHING.

I would have volunteered if I had known there was opportunity to do so, but they didn't need volunteers until the day before the con and I already had something to do.

>>6896302
This all basically reeks of "You owe us, you should be thanking us for doing shit you didn't ask us to do"

>>6896644
>Beats dead horse

I agree with
>>6896625
They don't actually give a shit about any of it and they don't show up, yet they waste their time to complain and come to cgl to add their two cents?

>>6894795
Seriously. I just want some damn photos.

>>6896894
>They don't actually give a shit about any of it and they don't show up, yet they waste their time to complain and come to cgl to add their two cents?

You're projecting pretty hard here.

>>6896917
Just stating the facts.
You bitches got nothing.

>>6896923
>Just stating the facts

So you can provide evidence that the same ATL girls who didn't show up to Frill complained about it and posted about it on cgl? I'd love to see it.

>>6896963
I was making a general statement about the anons here who are complaining. I never said anything about ATL Lolitas in particular. I was responding to the "WTF are you even here for" comment. Sorry for your confusion.

>>6896625
But besides Frill what is there? Do we now have to throw our money at any ita who starts a indie brand or sells shitty deco.

>>6896897
Look up Nelson Lau Photography on facebook. He took a lot of posed photos at the con.

>>6897279
No. Because the US is full of shitty indie brands and deco and bad clay modeling. However it's not full of reasonably well-organized lolita centric conventions.

So even if you don't like Frill now, it's only in its second year and the second year was miles and miles ahead of the first year. You might like it in the future if it keeps growing year by year, so even a teensy bit of support now could go a long way.

>>6897321
So now we HAVE to support a lolita centric convention because we happen to wear lolita? even if we have no desire to go do it?

>>6897330
No, that wasn't my point at all. Please tell me where I said that you "had to support it," I only meant that if you like the idea of a lolita convention and would consider attending perhaps at some point in the future, supporting Frill could benefit you in the long run.

I never said you had to support it but I was making a point that Frill =/= shitty lolita indie brands.

>>6897324
You literally just said even if you don't like Frill, support it.

I'm sorry but If don't like something for whatever reason I am in no way obligated to donate time or money to it in the off chance it MAY get better

>>6897352
I never said that either. I said if you think you might like it in the future, supporting it now would allow it to reach that point.

If you don't like it and know you'll never like it, ignore it. If you're undecided about whether or not you may go one day, they could use some support right now.

But I guess just continue to twist my words and shove words into my mouth that I never said if that makes you happy.

>>6897352
>Literally

>>6897335
You said:

>I wasn't specifically referring to Frill, just to your local events in general. It should obviously go without saying that if you don't want to have a local scene or don't care about having one, then don't support it.

You're implying that someone must support their local scene if they "want one." Which is ridiculous, because you don't have to support everything your local community does--and for ATL lolis, this includes Frill.

>>6897324
>So even if you don't like Frill now
How am I twisting your words, you said nothing out being undecided.

Anyways it not our job to support them, as directors it is up to them to arrange,plan, and advertise an interesting event. If people are undecided it's their fault they didn't convince them one way or another, you shouldn't have to hold their hand in the hopes that you may like it in the future

>>6897457
This wasn't me, different anon.

>>6897457
I'm the "different anon" who said that, and you obviously have no idea how small, grassroots events happen. I've never organized a lolita event, but I've been involved in other communities.

Events aren't the same thing as just buying clothes, for example. You're not just a passive customer. You're participating in the growth of the scene not just by giving money, but by showing up and being there.

Events can snowball, so every person helps until they hit critical mass. If that never happens, though, the people who organize the events will probably think to themselves that there just wasn't enough interest, so they'll stop doing it and the scene will die. And everyone else who may have been inclined to start a new event will think the same thing.

That's how scenes die.

I'll say again, if you don't care if your local scene dies, then don't participate, nbd. If you do care, then participate. Simple.

So stop being a raging cunt.

You people and your first world problems... Honestly I wish my city would have a frilly con, I don't even care if it's crappy. No one is ever dedicated enough to host something with more than 10 guests.

>>6897653
>I'll say again, if you don't care if your local scene dies, then don't participate

As someone said Frill is not our 'scene' it is a small event ran by a few people in the community. Not caring or wanting to go to this one thing does not mean you don't care about the community as a whole.

>>6897829
It looks like you're an idiot, so I'm going to say this as plainly as I possibly can.

If Frill succeeds, more people will want to make events, thus enriching the scene.

If Frill does not succeed, no one will want to risk making more events.

IT IS ALL CONNECTED. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT MORE PLAINLY.

>>6897844
While that is a possible, it is also a possibility that if it fails something better will come along

>>6897851
You obviously have no experience whatsoever in these things, and are completely talking out of your ass.

I'm done.

>>6897844
>If Frill does not succeed, no one will want to risk making more events.

Because all the failed meet-up, indie brands and etsy shops have stopped anyone from trying and making more

>>6897851
look bitch, i ain't even that anon, but seriously, this is the only loli convention that exists at all, cons usually try to mimic what other ones are doing and it's more likely that more will appear, maybe not the same format, but if you see people in one area supporting something then it's more likely that you'll want to try to make it in your own

>>6897867
cons aren't the same things. you don't pour thousands of dollars and hours into shitty indie brands and shit. plus it's not easy to even think you can start up a convention. shitty indie brands are a dime a dozen becuase people think it's an easy quick buck.

>>6897867
I said I was done, but I just can't believe you can be this dense. You must be some 16-year-old bitch who thinks she knows everything.

Just stop talking. You're only making yourself look bad, now.

>>6897883
I was using those things as an example, clearly a meetup, indie brand and convention are not all on the same level but the point still remains. Someone else failing has not stopped other people from trying themselves.

>>6897889
I see you've resorted to name calling, that's cute

>>6897829
Lololol "small event"

>>6897905
Can anyone verify whether or not Frill is the largest lolita-only event in the region/nation/world?

What lolita-specific events have been larger?

>>6898136
Hm, I don't know. I do think I recall that they said they had between 170 or 180 people in attendance this year, though.

>>6898136
I'm sure it is for N/S America but I can't say for the rest of the world.

>>6898136
I'm pretty sure it is. Japan has some lolita only events but they are pretty tiny and insignificant.

TBH I'm surprisingly impressed. It sounds like they had a great second year all things considered. I'm planning on gathering a group of local girls to make a trip for next Frill

>>6898292
You totally should. I had a blast. I even snagged a room fairly last minute thanks to an unofficial Frill group on facebook made specifically for attendees. I stayed in a four person room and saved some money that would have been lost getting a room on my own. So I got more swag.
Not sure what all this talk about shitty indie brands is all about, though. I bought some really nice handmade stuff in the boutique and artist alley. And some cute art, too.

>>6898208
I think some of the events in Paris might top that attendance but I'm not entirely sure.

>>6898292
>Japan has some lolita only events but they are pretty tiny and insignificant.
uh no. Have you seen the importance in the brand-specific tea parties? Especially in exclusive releases? These events are also not lightly attended and many can't even get tickets.

People have still not uploaded photos? Was it a total itafest?

>>6899682
I thought that most of the outfits I saw were excellent, but I don't feel like uploading my photos to /cgl/ when most of the photos are of friends, and I've seen how horribly /cgl/ will rip into girls with even a slight thing 'wrong' with their coordinate. You can check out the Frill event page through Facebook to see albums tagged at the event if you'd like.

>>6899682
I mean, you could always try looking on facebook and tumblr... they're everywhere.

autosaging methinks

>>6898136
Depends on how you define event? Anyone have a lolita headcount on things like the Baby fashion show at Otakon? I just remember there being a lot of lolita in line.

>>6899692
Yeah but lots of lolitas save photos from this board for 90% inspiration, 9% lust, and 1% drama. Not everyone went to Frill.

>>6899682
People don't upload photos here because seagulls are a bunch of vindictive harpies. So stop complaining and do some looking around if you're really that desperate.

>>6901375
meh no one said anything about the girls last year

>>6901624
You are completely wrong.

>>6901631
How? I mean I could be wrong but I don't remember anyone saying anything

>>6901652
Maybe like one or two girls. But to be fair, they were really, really bad. (there was one in a shiny wa-lolita thing?)

>>6901652
Not the same anon but I remember a few instances . (Mostly not run of the mill lolita substyles and overweight girls.) I don't blame people for not wanting to upload photos.

>>6901652
>>6901656
>>6901660
Yeah, no. I specifically remember some girls getting torn apart for stupid shit, like sleeves being too tight, or slightly wrinkled dresses on girls who otherwise looked great.

/cgl/ can go fuck itself with this acting all innocent shit.

>>6902303
Wow someone's mad. Sorry but I don't remember anyone being "torn apart"

>>6899682
The attendees were better dressed than last year, I would say. The ATL comm has a rule about not posting pictures of girls on /cgl/, and maybe attendees from out of town don't want to post pictures here because...they know what /cgl/ is like.

I do remember a thread where pictures were posted and a few girls were very harshly criticized, so I honestly don't blame people for not wanting to post.

>>6903247
People are torn apart on this very board every. Single. Day.

Just earlier in this thread girls were trying to argue that you shouldn't expect anything else from /cgl/

Don't act stupid. If people posted pictures here they would no doubt be ganged up on.

>>6903247
I won't be mean to you but I want to clue you in: A lot of comms and even photographs from anime conventions are starting to be barred from being posted on cgl because too many girls are getting pissed off and butthurt that their outfits are being picked at. Nobody wants to hear the criticisms about the outfits or the events themselves so it's easier to just say that they don't approve of posting anything on cgl.

The problem is if anyone posts pictures here then they run the risk of being caught and being torn apart by their comms who would probably go on a massive witch hunt to find out who posted them. No less if they knew for a fact that certain pictures came from a specific person's camera or social media.

We just don't want to share our personal pictures of our awesome good time with strangers who are only lurking around here to be massive bitches. We paid good money for the convention. They didn't. They have no right to share in it in any way. Period. They can wait for the press releases and dream. Maybe they can afford it next year. Whatever.

>>6903582
>strangers who are only lurking around here to be massive bitches
I like how you see nothing bitchy about your assumption that everyone lurking this thread is a stranger, or for that matter just wants to be a bitch and isn't just curious about what people wore or what was at the events.

If you don't want to include people in your little club that you paid 'good money for' then just say so, no reason to label other people bitches so you can justify your behavior. Bitch.

>>6903582
And this is why I won't be attending Frill. Too many people with unwarranted self-importance.

>>6903590
>>6903595
This is excellent news for me, because I don't want you bitches there. I'll have a much better time knowing that people like you will be sitting at home and stewing in your own judgmental stupor.

>>6903607
>stewing in your own judgmental stupor
Kind of like what you're doing right now?

"self-importance" anon here.

I never said everyone here was a bitch. I was referring to the ones that are, and they gather here to hide behind anonymity. And the ones actually curious about what was worn wouldn't be looking for pictures here in drama-soup land. They'd be on the official sites. Bitch, you ain't "just curious". Nobody's falling for that shit.
I'm still right. I didn't say anything inaccurate.

>>6903590
>>6903624
>>Bait troll

>>6903625
>I never said everyone here was a bitch.
But you did. And now you're changing your story because you realize that what you said makes you sound like a cunt and no better than the typical cgl bitch that you claim to hate so much.

>>6903629
>they're right about something so it must be a troll
Backpedal more. Quick.

>>6903590
CGL has a reputation. Don't act like it doesn't.

>>6903625
Can you post your picture so I know who to avoid at next year's Frill?

>>6903633
Lolitas have a reputation, don't act like they don't.
They hate drama but they cause drama.
They hate bitches but act like bitches.
They hate cgl but still browse and post in cgl.

>>6903633
This. At least the cosplay culture on the board tends to be somewhat more lenient and better at evaluating fail cosplays. The lolita culture usually devolves into bitches tearing each other down over slight outfit details that come down to individual taste.

>>6903582
You're projecting other people are bitches because you know you're a bitch too. And it's proven in the way you post.
Congrats, you belong here.

>>6903624
>>6903630
>>6903631
>>6903634
>>6903648
Stop being a twat. Take your life frustrations out on your cat.

>>6903763
Just because you kick your cat when meanie pants bitches on cgl say something to you doesn't mean other people have to turn into animal abusers like yourself <3

>>6903777
I'm glad you saged yourself, because I meant yelling at her cat, not beating it.

You seagulls are sick bitches.

>>6903763
By petting it gently while it purrs and goes to sleep? Because I hope that's what you mean.

>>6903825
>whining because other people don't get your vague implications
Cry moar.

>>6903825
>You seagulls are sick bitches.
Says the person who thinks it's okay to take out their frustrations on innocent animals.

>>6903763
You got told.

Admit it.

Just for the record, when you're in a public place-such as a con-people can take pictures freely. If you're so upset about people taking pictures of your costume you worked so hard on, then maybe you should look at it from the point of view that they appreciated something about your outfit instead of being a whiny little bitch.

>>6903648
Different kind of bitch, actually. :) Thanks for noticing!

>>6903956
>Different kind of bitch
Still a bitch

>>6903956
People who act all flippant like this while being an asshole just scream discomfort and insecurity. It's so transparent I don't even know why they try past the age of 14.

>>6904060
That is the most pot/kettle thing I've heard someone say on this board in a long time.

Congratulations! You win a prize!

ITT: Everything that doesn't relate to Frill

>>6903956
>:)
Leave.

>>6904074
Y'all bitches all need to get this topic back where it belongs: on Frill. Tumblr is still alive with photos.

>>6904017
>>6904060
>>6904076
Samefagging it up. Welcome to Summer.

>>6904080
And they'll be releasing the official photos soon.

Pictures are showing up on Frill's fb page.

>>6905284
I've seen myself in some of the teasers and I can't wait to see them all.

>>6906285
>>6905284
oh god I hope they didn't take any pictures of me, I am such a fucking doofus when it comes to pictures outside of my own apartment. I don't think I saw Brittany, so I think I'm safe though.

>>6906287
She's a fucking ninja, she saw you even if you didn't see her.

>>6906306
well this was sunday and she wasn't down yet from her hotel room, I did see her walk into the boutique and she did not have a camera on her, so maybe I escaped? I left literally twenty mins later.

Some truly AWESOME official photos just got posted to the Facebook. A little birdy told me more will be posted tonight.

Fashion walk

>>6906485
lol, I always knew the girls who bought WAMH would look like shit

Holy shit, they've already got up over 1000 photos and they keep coming! They look so much better than last year. The photographer did a great job. The con also looks so much better put together this year. I think I may actually go next year.

>>6906500
This comment look so planted.

>>6906506
You don't think >>6906451 isn't?

>bitches be whinin' that they just want PICTURES GAIZ
>pictures are finally posted and someone is kind enough to give you a head's up
>Ugh! Frill people are stalking /cgl/!!! Whinebitchmoan

Oh /cgl/ never change... you vile cunts.

>>6906509
I posted dat and I promise I'm just an attendee who likes photos.

>>6906506
>>6906509
Thanks for clarifying for me that I'm not allowed to like the photos. I guess I didn't change my mind about how shitty it looked last year. My bad.

Frill sucks, never going!

I was >>6906500

>>6906514
>>6906521
>>6906522
the samefagging is strong.

Hurrdurrr. It is times like these that I wish /cgl/ had the post markers like /soc/ has.

But then we wouldn't have the amazingly idiotic argument of 'samefagging' to pull out of one's ass when they have nothing else to add to an argument.

I had a good time. Glad the pictures are finally up... there's a ton, so I see why it took a bit. Still, they're here faster than they have been in the past.

There were a lot more girls at the back of the fashion walk parade... I wish the photographer had walked further back to get some shots of them instead of getting nine million pictures of the directors and their friends... Look at the big picture at the end, then look at the pictures from during the walk. Other than that, I really like them.

>>6906540
I posted one of those three posts and you are a shut troll.

>>6906559
Can't even spell. Keep responding.

>>6906562
I'm sorry, does the sun shine out of your anus? You never make typos?

Stop feeding the troll.

While the pictures look MUCH better then last year, I'm still really iffy on the price. Last I looked it was like 100$ for the weekend and for a second year con I'm just not that comfortable with paying that much.

>>6906565
I am flawless, and yes, the sun does shine out of every hole in my body.

ugh the pictures are so annoying, there are so many multiples of the same shot only in different angles or in black and white

>>6906655
>There were discounts for early preregistration. $100 wasn't the cheapest, I think it was the price for people who waited until the last tier, or close to the price for VIP?

>>6906685
Sorry, that was me and I did that wrong. Really super tired from ridiculously long work hours so I can't internet properly. But anyway I had VIP and it was really fun/worth the price IMO. I made use of the VIP con suite and etc. Free food was nice and convenient. Getting in for shopping early was cool. The Saturday VIP party was great. I guess it depends on how social you are and what's important to you. If those things don't interest you, VIP would not be worth it at all.

Everything looks fine except for the "Dandies and Darlings Dance" that just looks awful. I hope the band didn't sound as terrible as they looked

>>6906700
The band was amusing - they were good enough musicians that I was laughing with them and not at them.

>>6906700
Do you mean the event itself or the way people were dressed? The event was open for people in general to get in for 20 dollars I think, so there were some non-lolita outfits there.

No wonder you girls didn't want the pictures posted here.
Itas errywhere. I'd be embarrassed too if I paid that much to be in pictures with that crowd.

>>6907081
Can you point out specifics of this crowd of itas? Yes, there were a few girls who weren't the best dresses, but it definitely was not a sea of it.

>>6907101
*weren't the best dressed

>>6907081
>>6906683
And here come the complaints about the pictures, which is why no one wanted to post any. I'm sorry that you girls can't bitch on your tumblr or your facebook because it isn't anonymous.

God forbid that any of you actually own up to the negative shit you say.

>>6907081
A lot of people were experimenting during the fashion walk. As someone who was only there Saturday and Sunday... much better outfits those days, for real.

>>6907183
What! People can't kissing everyone's ass, how dare you cgl.

>>6907845
That first comment wasn't criticism or even mildly specific. It was just
>omg, itas, you're all so ugly, ha ha ha, wouldn't want to be seen with you
There is a difference between criticizing outfits and just mindlessly bitching just to have something to bitch about.

>>6907852
There is a difference completely agree with you there,I believe the first comment was a troll. But really other then that no one has said anything bad

>>6894008
Why don't you want to make blouses? It seems like their is a demand, and once you had a good pattern it would be easy to modify it into a few styles.
I make clothing for a living, so just wondering.

>>6907183
Lol I like how some people posted their remotely vague opinions about the pictures and you completely flip your lid like a raging autist.
No, not everyone is going to like the pictures or the outfits. Sorry 4chan isn't your hugbox.

>>6907860
Ah typo, sorry!

Agreeing with >>6907860
There is a demand for good quality blouses for lolita, and it's actually a good idea to make your own to go with whatever prints/dresses/skirts/etc. you have.

I think that indie brands that refuse to make blouses are lazy. I know a lot of designers (both lolita and not), and knowing how to make good fitting blouses is one of the ways I judge a brand.

>>6907872
If it laziness then that's too bad.. Once you learn how to make a button up collared shirt properly, they are very quick builds (2-3 hours with practice) the trick is having a great button hole machine, and knowing how to line up the buttons super fast.

>>6906700
I was backstage so I didn't get to dance or anything. But I can tell you the band was good enough, in my opinion, to where it got me singing back there. Wish I had seen them preform.

>>6907915
*perform
My bad.

>>6907915
I really liked them. I mean, they were an 80s cover band, but they were a lot of fun and I really enjoyed it. I made a point of telling one of the directors that I'd like to see them back next year, if possible. It kind of sucked that a third of the con was backstage, though. I felt it really undercut the dance, which would have been a lot bigger if people weren't tied up.

How many people were at Frill this year and last year? I didn't get to stay for the discussion panel on Sunday. Did they mention it there?

>>6907947
If I recall right, about 160 last year and 180 this year. Attendance up by 20 people.

>>6907940
why was everyone backstage

>>6907993
There were a ton of models for the fashion show, and they were getting ready while the band was playing.

Judging from pictures on FB, much better coords and more effort than last year.

>>6907940
It was really loud for a dance, IMHO.

>>6913206
Really? I didn't think so at all.

>>6913206
I really felt like it needed a legit rave because no one was dancing really only standing around.

>>6913227
There were plenty of people dancing! Not every dance has to be a rave.

>>6913247
that wasn't what I call dancing. Maybe a waltz would've been nice.

>>6913258
Huh. A waltz would be nice. I think it would be cool to have some people teach everyone how to waltz or even how to swing dance.

And then everyone would have a ball
>badumtish

I've never been able to go to Frill, but I'm just throwing this out there: How would anyone feel about having an improv comedy show at this sort of place? I'm trying to imagine this sort of thing integrated with lolita.

>>6913298
>>6913227
So some people want a ball, and some people want a rave.

There's obviously an easy answer to this problem:

RAVE BALLS

>>6913258
I wasn't even there, but you sound rude as fuck. God forbid someone have a good time that isn't in line with how you think people should have a good time.

>>6913247
Yeah, for me it was really awkward because it wasn't music you could dance to, so the fact that people were flailing around aimlessly, made me feel like I was missing out on something I couldn't get into.

>>6915971
Are you saying popular 80s music isn't dance music?

Sorry you felt awkward, but I could tell a lot of people were having a good time.

>>6915971
There were two different musical styles. The first was the 80's cover band, and then after the fashion show there was electroswing.

I found both of them to be danceable, though in different ways.

>>6915971
>so the fact that people were flailing around aimlessly
Fuck you, who are you to judge?

>>6916873
Some anons cant dance and just force their awkardness onto others who did have fun

>>6892992

Someone needs to send those girls this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px69eKV5lWk

>>6894675

They don't say it to your face because they don't want to upset you.

Sometimes getting things off your chest about people is one of the best things you can do for your friendships and relationships towards them. Instead of bottling it all up you just get it out there (hopefully in a safe setting where nothing will become of it), and then it's gone and you can just continue on with your friendship or relationship. It is healthy.

>>6894939

Post a screenshot then of this post: >>6894804

>>6895388

This is like, probably one of the most normal boards here. If you really think people here are weird, you haven't ventured onto other boards much.

>>6916250
Not to me, but I grew up with a different culture and listen to music that the majority of the lolita comm does not listen to.

>>6916278
I don't see how a slow version of Baby Got Back and Hit Me Baby one more time was Electroswing

>>6916873
I wasn't judging, I was pointing out my observation and then referring to myself as not having fun like they were because of my own limitations. You're going to bitch at me because I didn't say that they were the best fucking dancers in the world who should be presented a fucking medal for their style of shucking and jiving. Not everything is a goddamn personal attack.