/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Completely agree with you OP. I got hugely bitched out just recently for making this same point on the MCM page- the Tumblr anti-slut-shaming brigade was foaming at the genital warts. Cosplay is not about selling sex, it's about geeking out over a character you love. Girls who want to use it to whore themselves out should just fuck off to Suicide Girls and leave the genuine fans in peace. I especially hate how they're trying to make conventions pander to their bullshit and alienate the long-time fans with all this recent cosplay is not consent business. Just punch anyone who harasses you, it's not the fucking con's responsibility.

Wow you mean people like Jessica Nigri who just wear bras and ears aren't real cosplayers?

THAT'S FUCKING FASCINATING.

>growing trend
>lately
This has been around for a looooong time

>>6843038
She's one of the reasons it started, not part of the trend

>>6843060
Athens(OP) tends to use these words in every thread he makes.

I can honestly say I don't give a shit. If it's a person's prerogative to be fap fodder to a bunch of nerds and they enjoy it, then fine. It's not my choice.
And if I don't get as much recognition for putting in the detailed homage to my favorite character, and no beta orbiters come flocking to me because I didn't show T&A? Well that's fine too. I lose nothing, and better yet all of those vapid little perverts can go bug some other naive girl with some cleavage and not me.

The only thing that upsets me, because I do feel this affects me indirectly, is that whole "cosplay=/=consent" bullshit that's surfacing now. For one this can send off the message that all women in the cosplay community are implicated in this movement (btw we're not and I certainly don't agree with it~), and second of all this is just teaching people to blame something or someone else, whether that's the convention or the retarded horny boys, for how women dress themselves and the comments they receive because of it. Yeah, lewd sexual comments happened back in the early 2000s too but nobody made a big deal of it then because people knew how to take some personal responsibility--as in if they didn't want to be treated like sexualized objects, they'd dress in a manner that wasn't as outright sexy. And they certainly wouldn't dress DOWN their original characters to what's basically a bra, underwear, and a wig and expect that nobody should say shit to them.
Just who the hell do these girls think they are?

>>6843060
Yeah, it's called prostitution

>>6843072
Yes wearing a bikini while being photographed is prostitution. If you're so offended by swimwear maybe you shouldn't be on 4chan.

>>6843023
>There have been many whispers going round amongst community veterans about this trend, yet few have spoken out about it

You made that part up.

>>6843108

as a 13 yr vet, no he didn't. We older cosplayers around these parts talk about it all the time.

We raise eyebrows at people selling prints of themselves, sexifying characters who are so not sexy, telling people not to look at your tits while you showcase them, and then hiring professionals to make the impressive parts of your costumes and then making the super simple parts themselves.

It all reeks of attention whore with as little effort as possible. It's really obvious to everyone who has been around a few years. We had it before with places like varitease and Alisakiss but it was contained, it was only like 10 people, and they made costumes other than "zomg look at sexy me"

But you know, it's hard to say how it effects things. Will it be a phase until the next thing? What happens when these girls grow up and those pictures surface? Does it change the face of the hobby? Does anyone but us care?

girls???? getting aTTENTION??????????? at MY CON????????????? no

NO

cant ALOW this

SLUTS!!! proSTITUTES!!!!!! BIKINIS!!!!!!!!!

>>6843125
Thank you

Okay, tumblr and /r9k/ both need to fucking leave.

>>6843125
reblogged

>>6843125
>BIKINIS!!!!!!!!!
I laughed.

Are we discussing about how Jessica Nigri and her PR (yeah, she has a manager...) bitched at a photographer and took credit and money for a photo he took too?

Shit's messed up, photographers need to keep an eye out in case she tries to make a profit off their photos. Hell, they're copyrighted characters, shouldn't she get in trouble anyway?

>>6843143
Well if you read it it says the manager owns the convention, and its seems to be that the photographer wouldn't let her sell that picture, which is probably why the PR guy made the post.

>>6843023
We are very grateful for your input on this fascinating topic OP.
And I can say without a shred of doubt that we don't give a flying toss about the opinions of cosplay veterans (hah), the topics you disagree on and you in general.

Sincerely, the rest of the world.

>>6843143
>unauthorized, photog has no rights, etc

Wait but the photography thread taught me that it's the model who has no rights unless release forms are signed, unless nudes are involved. So is the PR guy talking out his ass?

>>6843204
Yeah...obviously. This whole thing is just stupid. People think they can talk out their asses if they speak well even though they know nothing at all.

>>6843212
And let me guess, her fanboys ate that shit up and turned on the photographer, even though it was JNig violating his rights?

>>6843066
see >>6843060, its been going on for as long as cosplay has eisted. kipi? frandan? they all did shit like this, it is not "news", it didn't just "happen, fuck off

>>6843143
Public event, model posed giving consent & is aware a photo is being taken, and finally praised the photographer later once again confirming consent.

Bitch has no rights. A photographer's photograph is theirs 100% and no individual rights (i.e. hidden cam, underskirt, private areas like a bathroom or changing room) were violated. They can post and/or sell that photo all they want, no promise of compensation was made to the subject and the subject agreed repeatedly to be photograph as evidence shows.

Learn them, remember them. Know your fucking rights as a photograph whether you're professional or amateur.

>>6843068
I completely agree with you. I'm all for showings your titties if that's what you want but don't make a big deal about it when people oogle you.

What I don't understand is this whole slut shaming is wrong thing. It's just poor manners to walk around in next to nothing, you can't justify it by saying 'women are allowed to be sexual' becuase of course they are. But you just don't walk around half nakers. Can't you just be sluty by having lots of sex out of eyesight? Why do you have to put your sexuality on show like it's the main part of your personality?

>>6843337
>I have never been to a beach or a swimming pool. Look how ignorant of the outside world I am!

What mirth!

>>6843352
Well thats a bit different and I have a sneaking suspicion you know that, but are just trying to be a bit awkward. I don't think I need to explain why wondering round in these places is appropriate do i?

>>6843337
you must get really upset when you go to the beach

>>6843353
It's a convention, people walk about practically naked all the time -- men AND women.

If they want to do that, more power to them. I'm jealous of their self-confidence. As long as they're not breaking any con rules or city ordinances I don't care what they wear.

>>6843357
I'm not really bothered by it, I just don't see why it's socialy acceptable now? In all honesty I'm more confused about the big slut shaming thing. I get the clothes aren't consent thing, but I thought being a slut(male or feamle) wasn't something to show off about. I don't mind if people want to have loads of sex, but why do people want to label themselves sluts?

>>6843361
Oh Christ more babble. Yes, you're are totally ignorant of western society. That's great.

>women make the conscious decision to dress like a complete whore for attention
>Its the males fault.

I dont know what people want. If you try and stop a women from being a skin baring attention whore, then your oppressing them. If you give attention to attention whores, your objectifying. Ladies: Men have genitalia, and brain functions that like arousing things. We dont sit there and say "better look at them tits and rev up my pelvic gyrations!". It just happens. It biological and it makes us look at things that are sexy sometimes, even with the best self control. So if your tits are hanging out and your wearing a g-string that would make a napkin feel like plate armor, and you DONT want attention at a COSPLAY con for a hobby that is based around people LOOKING at you in your work, then I'm sorry but your confused.
Yes, there are creepers. They are weird and they gawk a little too much. But running to your friends and saying, "he kept staring at my nipple pasties like I wanted people to see that I'm wearing nothing! God, so gross. Oh! more photographers! Better strike a pose and then say its rude for them to look!".
Cosplay for the love of the hobby. Attention whores and public masturbaters can both go to a strip club. If your cosplay is a bit revealing, then fine, but dont expect to see people sitting around you with blindfolds discussing the philosophy of your stitching patterns.

>>6843362
It's deffinatly babble you have that right! It's not something I've given much thought to truthfully. I don't get it at all so It's a passing curiosity. I'm also not sure this one single topic covers all of western society, I hope not I'm fucked.

>>6843365
>trying too hard.
nice essay

>>6843023
>REAL cosplay is not about raping an artist's original design by showing as much tits and ass as possible.

I hate this argument with a passion. There is no "real" cosplay and unless your in an actual competition with actual guidelines then there are no formal rules in a niche hobby.

It doesn't matter if you make your own clothes, know the source material, wear simple outfits or construct crazy props and armor The minute you deside to dress up as a particular character YOU...ARE...COSPLAYING

There are good quality costumes and bad quality costumes but there is no real or fake here. You either do it or you don't and really why do people care so fuckin much? "WAAA their showing their ass and getting likes" how does this really affect your life? Do you want the admiration of those same fanboys who oogle any piece of clevage they see? Does the girl's bikini top take away the quality of your handstiched dress with elaborate embordering? As long as their costumes do not viloate con dress code then you really have no say what people can and can't wear. However you DO have a say what YOU can wear and your own skills.

Instead of bitching about all the people going down the skimpy route, maybe you should just focus on your own non skimpy costumes so that way you stand out more as you're not treating the convention as wannabe Victoria's Secret fashion runway.

>>6843378
>There is no "real" cosplay
But the point of cosplay is to dress us as a character you like. I know it's a hobby, but if you want to dress up as say sailor moon, dress up a her, if you want to wear a wig that looks like her hair and a completely non-canon outfit that she would never wear as an established character you are supposed to be dressing up as, do that. It's not that hard. If it's a hobby you can still have some guidelines, bird watching is a hobby and it's not birdwatching if you kill the birds to look at them.

>>6843398
>bird watching is a hobby and it's not birdwatching if you kill the birds to look at them.

Touché.

A+ comment, lul'd heartily.

>>6843378
I agree with you completely, but I'm also looking forward to the shitstorm of disagreement and bitches whining because they want cosplay to be limited to what *their* personal definition of cosplay is.

>>6843378
>>6843425
These

>>6843398
That Sailor Moon girl is not hurting anyone. Sure her outfit is horrible and not canon to the original but it's not like she's ruining the reputation of Sailor Moon through her actions.Her doing bad Sailor Moon cosplay is not gonna stop amazing ones being worn.

Just smile, nod your head and continue on worrying about how good your costumes are.

tumblr please go home

...Is no one going to mention the fact that about 80% of all designs for female characters (you know, the things cosplay is based on) are skimpily clad, sexualized, or infantilized? And it's the -cosplayers'- problem?! I've always thought this attitude was bullshit for this very reason. Go talk to the fucking comics and gaming industries about their character designs; don't bash the girls who (with some exceptions; I WILL GRANT YOU that there are a few who do it to show off their bodies (and anyway they are just that--THEIR BODIES, not yours)) are just trying to show their love for their favorite characters/franchises, which just so happen to be sexualized designs made by and/or for men.

>>6843437
I never said it was hurting anyone, and try not to be so condescending if someone doesn't agree with you. The point I was trying to make is why? If you like something why change it? If you want to to alter the costume or change it entirely just find something that suits your tastes more. Cosplaying maybe just be a hobby but call me autistic here, I was under the impression that the hobby entailed dressing up as a character you like. And a wig is not that.

I'm not sure I understand the topic.
Is the issue cosplaying sexy characters like Felicia from Dark Stalkers, or taking an existing Character, Totoro for example, and just wearing fuzzy lingerie and totoro ears?

I think it is wonderful when females slut-shame other females

>>6843446
Think of it as fan art and learn to mind your own business like an adult.

>>6843378
>how does this really affect your life?
It doesn't, until we get shit like pic related that implicates that ALL women have the same sentiments about being approached in cosplay, have all the same attitudes about dealing with inappropriate comments, and alienate a good crowd of con attendees who now have to fear that anything they say may be projected as harassment of some sort.

THAT is what should piss you and a lot of people off. But for some reason it fucking doesn't.
People are too busy worrying about the stupid ass slutty cosplay arguments to actually see what's going on.

>>6843398
You're missing what I'm trying to argue.

>But the point of cosplay is to dress us as a character you like.

See right there you're overcomplicating things. There is no "point" in cosplaying. That awesome Monster Hunter cosplay is not anymore "real" or "valid" than a kid who walked into a con cosplaying as his Naruto OC. The very foundation of cosplaying involves people dressing up as a character that's it.

There's no qualifying factors such as accuracy, quality you just have to dress up as a character. Elements like that are what we add as hobbiest in order to achieve a higher quality costume. There are certainly way more rules involved in making a great cosplay but we're not talking about good or bad we are just talking about what is and is not cosplay.

Sure I can walk in a Madoka gathering in casual clothes and say I'm a rule 63, casual Madoka who dyed his hair black. I'm cosplaying and I could consider myself a cosplayer at that moment but because I did not take the time to properly create the outfit means I will be ignored by the masses for having a bad costume. However, at the very core I am cosplaying.

Look at all the people dressing up as their LARP characters, OCs, Giginka's, fan art outfits, concept sketches that only exist in artbooks and any other famous fan design. We all accept these things as real cosplay due to the fact they are dressing up as characters. People wearing revealing outfits fit into this group nicely.

>>6843450
1. revealing clothing does not make you a slut.
2. not liking revealing clothing isn't slut shaming
3. i am way sluttier than any girls in microbikinis but i dress more modest than most old ladies.

>I hate revealing cosplays because I think they're obnoxious and half-assed
>OMG ANON THAT'S SLUT SHAMING AND HERE'S WHY LOOK AT THIS TUMBLR POST
Oh. my. fucking. god.

>>6843455
Yeah you probably shouldn't harass people.

>>6843466
Do you like making blanket statements that make no sense to what was said?

The only thing that annoys me is the cosplayers that sexualize designs don't admit they are doing it for attention. Just fess up to it already and stop making the millions of posts trying to defend yourselves. Goddamnit guys, we are ALL cosplaying for some kind of attention. Several do it for the e-fame. Some do it to find friends with similar interests, or to fit in while at the con. Some do it to have their work recognized. I don't wear costumes to be ignored, that's for sure.

>>6843464
Oh and just to clarify, I mean 'revealing' as in cosplays that don't make any fucking sense to be revealing.
Ex. Revealing Assassin's Creed cosplay

>>6843471
But titties are a valued asset by assassins the world over.

>>6843445
I guess I should clarify that the skimpy-AssCreed cosplays do annoy me a bit (and I get the impression that that's what this thread is mainly referring to.) But I dislike when girls get bashed for cosplaying an accurate design.

>>6843455
If you legitimatly approached a girl in an effort to strike up a conversation and you get shut out as she assumed you were a creeper, then is that a person you really want to spend a lot of time with?

Be happy they showed you their bitchy side upfront as a warning.

>>6843204
yeah, that's the guy talking out his ass

the photo-taker has the rights to do ANYTHING with the image, including sell it, UNLESS the location it was taken at was private and was listed such at the time, no phototakers were allowed, etc.

otherwise its his photo and he can do ANYTHING with it he wants. she can't. she could be sued

not that i'd take a case that wouldn't pay off like that, but she's horribly liable here

>>6843499
I don't see what that has to do with the post.
>Be happy they showed you their bitchy side upfront as a warning.
>Because a girl shutting you out must make her a bitch and she must be doing it to purposefully be bitchy to you
You really need to learn how to not shoot yourselves in the foot.

>>6843276
Absolutely this, and the emphasis put on private areas is important. Those pictures do violate privacy and mean they aren't freely owned by the taker.

otherwise yeah, the photographer gets the ownership

>>6843508
It does with this section

>It doesn't, until we get shit like pic related that implicates that ALL women have the same sentiments about being approached in cosplay, have all the same attitudes about dealing with inappropriate comments, and alienate a good crowd of con attendees who now have to fear that anything they say may be projected as harassment of some sort.

Sensible girls (inb4 oxymoron) are not gonna label every guy that goes out of their way to talk to them a creeper. Someone who believes so is not someone worth knowing

I think maybe the problem is that the girls who are oversexualizing cosplay are the ones that the rest of society sees

for example when you google "cosplay girl" what pops up is popular western/eastern girls who are known for T and A so yes these girls are who represent you and the cosplay community to the rest of world .... I think maybe that's the problem

>>6843518
>Someone who believes so is not someone worth knowing
Okay but people don't have magic sensibility meters that can tell which girl is gonna react sensibly, and which guy isn't gonna say something completely out of line and harassing.
So it's best to kind of stop the stereotypes at their roots before they're canon in the community.

>>6843531
Right which is why this stuff happens in conversation. If a girl feels uncomfortable talking to certain guys then she has every right to end the conversation and vice versa.

If you're on the receiving end of this then just suck it up and realize that person is a lost cause. There's plenty other people at the con.

>>6843520
There are stereotypes for everyone though, no matter who you are, what you do. Cosplay is just now one of those, it was bound to happen cause of human nature.

>>6843532
And so I'm glad you agree that these things must be talked out instead of fear-mongering with this whole COSPLAY IS NOT CONSENT bullshit. Thank you.

>>6843520
Honestly it's either going to be "T and A" or "Freaks who dress up like kids cartoons", "Hobby for fat people" "Rude loud people who dress up like cartoons and goes to conventions"

No matter what there is going to be something that "Represents" cosplay and it will almost never be positive (because people grab onto the neg. aspects of it.) or accurate. It's happens to a lot a people for example "Computer geeks can't get girls and are virgins" or "Video Game murderer on the loose"

>>6843520
>>6843567
And it also has to deal with the fact that people who browse cosplay tend to share and like the sexy cosplayers. If you want the modest people to have the spotlight then give them the damn spotlight

>>6843577

hot girls get the most attention

its like this in all aspects of life, not just cosplay

Google Vixen Gamer. She's the worst at this. Was visiting friends in Sydney when she made a post during some drama about being the most 'recognizable cosplayer in Australia.' Not one cosplayer knew who she was. Then she came up on one of my friends FBs claiming she designed and made her sexy Ezio cosplay herself. Despite the fact everyone saw it long before then on someone else and it was purchased on Ebay (she took off the pants and wore a corset with paper stuck to the front by the looks of it.)

Googling her now, she got a TV job cos of it. I know she drives a bunch of AU cosplayers crazy because she's faking it so hard. She acts like an ambassador and my friends wish shed fuck off and die because shes always pretending to be their friends when there's cameras even though no one knows her fucking real name

>>6843023
I wouldn't be nearly as put off by OP's pic if the chick wasn't sitting in a legs spread wide check out my fucking vagina pose.

You can wear a skimpy ass costume but still retain some class.

>>6843023
Who is this cosplayer? She is seriously giving me a ladyboner every time I see her.

Actual question:

Why is this even this big of a deal?

People gonna do what they do, attention whores or otherwise. At the end of the day they're not really that much of a problem even if they are kinda annoying. Sure, being an excessive attention seeker can cause problems, but then the issue is more that a person is being a vain asshole rather than the fact that they're wearing a bikini.

>>6843914
Yasemin Asslan from Australia. She was Lilith in Borderlands 2 and won't let anyone forget it because that's all she's ever done and ever will do with her life.

Also don't let her hear you enjoy looking at her body or she'll have a massive cry.

Don't know if anyone has caught on, but Beethy wrote this on his facebook yesterday, and the photo in OP's post is one Beethy took himself.

>>6843976
Sounds like you have a vendetta.

>>6843276
I'm pretty sure if a photographer takes a picture of someone, they don't have rights to sell or distribute it unless the person in the picture waives their rights.

An event I signed up for recently has a photographer go around and take pictures of people who participate. There's always a clause in the terms of service for signing up that you waive your rights and grant permission for the photos to be taken and distributed. I imagine a clause like that wouldn't be in there if someone could take a picture and that be that.

>>6843976
You telling me if you were the official model for a game character you'd keep it under wraps?

Bullshit.

If you are almost nude in a cosplay you will get comments, accept it.

>>6844017
You're so wrong it's hilarious.

The photographer owns the rights to the photo. They can sell it, piss on it, frame it on their kid's wall, whatever. You, however, cannot sell it without their permission. That's the way the law works. Learn you some.

>>6844042
Yeah sometimes I like to make up silly positions and argue with them my self.

>>6844060
>I'm pretty sure if a photographer takes a picture of someone, they don't have rights to sell or distribute it

Uh oh looks like some one can't read.

>>6844060
Nope. There's right to privacy and right to publicity.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights#United_States

And here's the clause from the event
> do hereby agree to follow all rules of the tournament. I also do hereby confirm the consent heretofore given you with respect to your photographing me or my child in connection with the Evo tournament event, and I hereby grant to you, your successor, assigns and licensees the perpetual right to use, as you may desire, all motion pictures and sound track recordings which you may make of me or my child, and the right to use my name and/or child's name or likeness in or in connection with the exhibition or any other use of such video or recording.

Do you think they would have made one if it wasn't needed? Tsk. Tsk. Back to the School of Internet Law with you.

Also, in stuff like Mega64 videos, why do you think they black out people's faces? Oh, that's right, people request that their faces be blacked out and they have a right to do so.

>>6843622
That's one of the most half assed things I've ever seen.

>>6844065
>Uh oh looks like some one can't read
And it looks like it's you!

>>6844071
Not everyone is American. The OP is Australian, actually.

Besides which, clauses are often created to make the law clear and to reiterate laws which already exist to plebs who don't get it - oh, like you.

>>6844089
So what's it like being dead wrong?

"There are no publicity or personality rights in Australia, and there is no right to privacy that protects a person’s image. Existing privacy laws are more concerned with storage and management of personal information and are of limited relevance to the present issue."

There you go, Australians. You have no right to privacy when it comes to people taking your photos in public.

To those attacking op: do what you like and wear what you like.

Just bear in mind that we don't have limitless self control and that there are going to be consequences.

>>6844095
This is an American site so if you want to talk legal business it's assumed that your talking about American laws. Not everyone is going to GIS your image and assume what country you're talking about.

>>6844101
> This is an American site
> Replying to a thread whose OP is Australian
Oh you.

>>6844097
And I hope you enjoy whatever legal actions come about because of the consequences you simply have to render.

>>6844110
There's no indication that the OP is Australian and again no one is going to gis your picture. Are you being stupid on purpose?

>>6844101
The law in America states that you cannot photograph someone who has a reasonable expectation of privacy.

In a public place, you don't have a resonable expectation of privacy. Therefore anyone can take your photo.

Stop fucking tempting us at our own cons.

>>6844124
>cons
>public

>>6844129
And by 'our' cons, you must mean all people who pay for the ticket and can therefore go in, right? Because that's whose con it is, not self entitled neckbeards.

>>6844131
We made them. You could dress up in your porn shit at girlgamercon etc.

>>6844131
Honestly I don't think these people are being serious. They just sound too stupid.

>>6844133
>trying too hard.

>>6844133
wat
Are you just that jealous that none of the girls at the con will fuck you?

>>6844089
>how do I into reading comprehension
No. That clause exists because states have begun passing laws that ban that kind of thing. On top of that, the photos will be used for commercial use which is something you have to get permission for anyway.

>>6844130
Cons tend to be pretty open. There's usually a badge check at the dealer hall, but most hotels don't start enforcing badge checks until night time. Anywhere you can get without a badge is easily "public".

In any case, if you think a con is supposed to be private then you're a tard and a half. It's someplace where you go to be seen and have pictures taken, end of story.

>>6843023
>REAL cosplay is not about...
>implying you get to decide what real cosplay is.
>implying cosplay is some religion or way of life
>implying we need long-winded grannies in their rocking chair talking about what "real" fandom is
>implying attention whoring is a new thing
>implying casual congoers wearing skimpy outfits aren't a completely separate group from those who care about workmanship and the construction process
>implying tons of casualfags who fap to Nigri-esque photos have any bearing on your own personal cosplay experience
>I can't hold all these implications

>>6844138
sort of. yeah.

>>6844146
Yes please go to America, take pictures and try to sell them.

>>6844149

>Be fat, creepy looking guy
>Go to cons
>Appreciate well done and well constructed cosplay
>Never talk to any of them because I think theyll be creeped out and tell me to go away

>>6844159
What, you mean photojournalism? That thing that the newspapers and the tabloids have been doing for decades? Trust me, photographing people and selling the pictures without a model release has been a "thing" for a LONG time.

>>6844176
>>6844017

We're talking about private areas in the US. Try to keep up.

>>6844186
So journalists who write about conventions can't use the photos they take without written permission from the subjects?

That's bullshit and you know it.

>>6844200
So I guess that photographer that person was doing all that legal work for fun.

>>6844207
> Photographers
> Not doing legal work

What the fuck are you even talking about? It doesn't matter if the person is being paid by a newspaper to take photos or if they're just doing it for fun. What difference does that make?

>>6844216
Yeah that goes against
>>6844176

>>6844219
No, it actually supports it. Journalists have been doing it for ages, but you don't NEED to be a journalist to do it.

>>6844221
Oh so they were doing all that legal business for fun.

I ain't mad.

My problem for the most part is these T & A cosplayers with very little cosplay construction experience get to be guest of honor for conventions. It's like having someone who's been mall cop for 3 month get invited to CSI convention, doesn't make sense one bit.

>>6843023
I didn't realize that was kos-mos until I saw the file name. Thought it was some hackneyed gijinka pokemon

>>6844272
Your comparison is god awful. Faggot, you know lives aren't on the line when it comes to hot chicks in slutty costumes. Also have you not watched television ever? That mall cop gonna solve the case. You just wait.

>>6844272
Sure it does, the majority of people love T & A especially when it looks good. It's popular because we've made it popular in our culture with what's usually advertised, whether it's in anime or comics, T & A has always been worshiped.

>>6844287
It it's the bathing suit in the third game. The OP didn't even bother to Google search.

>>6844291
The thing is people still don't know if construction abilities means if a person is a "good" cosplayer or not. Just being a pretty girl in a costume you didn't make really doesn't take much effort.

>>6844295
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDPEOKOjZmo&feature=player_detailpage#t=5s
What a stupid fucking thread.

>>6844299
It doesn't but skill doesn't show through with the medium of a cosplay. Murder mysteries on the other hand show skill in solving.

>>6844295
Fucking this.

>>6844311
If you make a good costume yourself it does.

>>6844295
more like nobody played the third game

but getting back to point, I feel like anons condemning OP are either a) fanboys that cares too much about their fap materials or b) females cosplayers that frequently dons sexy cosplays because they can't construct and don't want to lose their fanboys for agreeing with OP

because majority of my cosplay friends do not like the trend of over-worshipping skimpy cosplays with minimal efforts.

>>6844299
Because no one give a shit about arts and craft projects? They just want to see something that is actually nice to look at? Being pretty must take effort considering the awful amount of ugly shits always trying to attempt it. If you can actually make your own costumes, and you're gorgeous, then more props to you. But if your work doesn't speak for itself then chances are you don't actually deserve the attention you seem so eager to get.

>>6844340
you want to go see something nice to look at? stick to Vogue magazine. Don't bring your fetish into this hobby.

>>6844340
>no one
Be careful about universal quantifiers.
Anyway heterosexual girls are going to care more about the outfit. You must have very bleak view of humanity.

i cant get the mask to look good no matter how many times i've tried and since im pretty obsessive with the details on the mask maybe ill never be able to properly do it.

>>6844348
Last time I checked, fan service is heavily apart of your hobby, whether you like it or not. Take it up with the artists if you have a complaint?

>>6844352
fuck, sorry wrong thread

>>6844355
It's fan service only if you see it as one. To many cosplayers it's an inconvenience.

>>6844355
>trying too hard.

>>6844359
not related to this thread, but anon keep working on the Star Lord mask. Effort will pay off, trust me.

>>6844355
I don't read smut.

>>6843023
>an artist's original design

you do realize that most "original designs" are sexulized....both in the west and the east in comics and games

no one gets all butthurt when an actual good cosplayer decides to cosplay yoko....but everyone gets butthurt when someone does a rule 63 cosplay when the only change is like a low cut top...

FUCK the female cosplay community and its logic

that right
Im just calling out the females
Ive never met another man who gives a shit

>>6844374
i'm am annoyed that i have to share a gender with this guy.

>>6844374
>> implying male characters don't get sexualized

>>6844355
At least western fan service is more geared towards adults.

>>6844374
and I mean irl
not some faggot who has his gf standing over his shoulders as he writes online

or some femanon failing at pretending at being a guy

or some faggot trying to make himself feel better because he can only get with some hambeast landwhale

also why doesnt anyone bitch about men sexulizing a charater...its because women only get jealous of themselves and men fucking dont

>>6844348
what, I don't even
anon you're referring to doesn't even mention fetishes.

nice fail at arguing

>>6844394
thats my point

see here >>6844404

>>6844404
>women only get jealous of themselves and men fucking dont
have you ever been to /fa/ /fit/ or like...all of the internet?

>>6844404
probably because there are no famous male cosplayers that gets off of sexualizing characters.

>>6844411
they dont tell them to stop showing off there abs though

unlike a girl getting upset over ass or cleavage

>>6844394
Nope, in general, everything is sexualized. My point is that fan service of both genders is strongly apart of this hobby and always has been. It's what gets us excited. But seeing it in rl insults some of those who are insecure and not comfortable seeing it publicly. But attacking them for it is wrong when it's all we've been teaching the media. 'Look how awesome cosplay is! We have big boobs just like this character!'

>>6844414
http://www.livingichigo.com/

>>6844418
this faggots trying to be me>
>>6844408
>>6844404

>>6844419
Oh and God. Can't forget about the best. He does receive a lot of hate from men as well for being a man slut.

>>6844419
yeah see, nobody gives a shit about him. You would never see fangirl come to cgl or other forum and gush over how he's best cosplayer or something. Not to mention, he's already blackballed by many people as liar and cheater. What's the point?

>>6843068
Hit the nail on the head. Anyone who's been to a con knows that it's full of horny social retards. While it's perfectly reasonable to report someone who's actually going over the line (physical harrassment, etc.), dressing as a swimsuit Lady Loki and getting butthurt when the Betamaxes start to stare at your cleavage is just hypocritical. The fact of the matter is, the social-retards won't change, so if you don't want to put up with them, either don't dress in cosplay that will attract them or be prepared to tell them to fuck off.

>>6844424
are a bad troll or just completely oblivious?

>>6844430
Not all fem cosplayers act that way though.
We've had a whole thread though about cosplay consent already with Gina B. and agreed it's bullshit for the most part. More like addressing and debating common sense.

>>6844365

>>6844447
some of us actually care about story and characters. Don't lump us with those pathetic virgins.

i thought it sounded familiar....
screencapped this the other day to make fun of it.
as long as people wear appropriate costumes at family friendly cons, the rest is their business.

>>6844419
Compare living ichigo's "fame" to the likes of Jnig and Yaya.

Not even close

This thread has far too many beta men who are subservient and far too many feminists that think they are part of a hobby that means something other than justified objectification.

>>6844186
That's what I thought we were talking about. As I was saying, good luck trying to establish anywhere in a con past other than the dealer's hall as "private".

If you don't have to ask anybody for permission to get in, the doors aren't locked, and you don't have to buy tickets, it's not private, it's public. Doesn't matter who actually owns the property. There's a world of difference between public property and public spaces.

>>6844830
People (men too) don't always choose to cosplay a character based on objectification, others' or their own. It's not the only reason to like a character or a cosplayer.

>>6844858
Of course not, but that has no weight when talking about the hobby as a whole and the reasons behind cosplay, popularity, or attention seeking habbits in general.

>>6844860
I'd argue on behalf of the hobby as a whole and the reasons behind it, but you're obviously correct on popularity and attention seekers.

>>6844871
Even the hobby itself is an exaggeration of material interest, not that of interest in the action. It is the difference between having a pin on your bag of pokemon badges rather than playing pokemon to start a conversation. From that standpoint what gets the most attention and conversational pieces is attractiveness. From a hobbist standpoint the idea of making costumes only as a ploy in a gathering or used for photography on the internet is dumbfounding. It's as bad as those that spend thousands of dollars on figurines that don't even move.


I enjoy dressing up in costumes and convention going, don't get me wrong, but the whole thing is really dumb when you think about it and creates a breeding ground for awful people of all different kinds, myself included.

>>6844774
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>6844878
so you're basically viewing cosplay in a same vein as pin collecting...

>>6843343
I need the source for this please oh God

>>6844878
>It's as bad as those that spend thousands of dollars on figurines that don't even move.

...
I'll just be going on my way now.

>>6843076
Bikini=bathing suit

I doubt she went swimming did she?

>>6843023
OP, I couldn't agree more!

>>6843531
>Okay but people don't have magic sensibility meters that can tell which girl is gonna react sensibly
Welcome to life and social interaction buddy, it's all a gamble

>>6844878
idk why im even on /cgl/ or even why im posting this but smoker is completely right.

its no fun going to conventions as a nobody, not cosplaying. you don't get any attention and its harder to interact with people considering we're all nerds and gigantic autist aspies anyways.

i cosplay for the attention and for social reasons. i'm a TERRIBLE cosplayer but i still do it because its fun getting your picture taken. but i feel like there's just a lot of people taking my picture because i "look good" (im a /fit/fag) despite my costume being really lackluster. I don't care though.

>>6844912
.....
this
this comment is retarded.

>>6844562
Yeah, 'story'. The other side of the argument makes it sound like artists themselves never sexualize their own characters, when it's quite the opposite. Sex and fan service sells.

>>6844987
Yes sex sells, but why not just be honest about it and cosplay Queen's Blade fetish wear and not slut up another series "because you love it"?

>>6843143
I REALLY hope people spammed this on her page. I really do.

I don't mind it so much. Hell, I did a "slutkini" cosplay once, though I've since moved onto more serious stuff.

But trying to justify it as, "it's just a creative reimagining of the character!" is bullshit, and if you believe you're being creative by throwing on hot topic fishnets and a bandeau or some shit, you're seriously deluded.

>>6844774
>beethy complaining about girls in skimpy costumes
>literally took the pictures of Yas' bikini KOS-MOS

>>6845071
your point is invalid. he complained about people taking a design and changing it.
that Kos-Mos design is unchanged.

>>6845071
You missed the point.

>>6845140
This whole shoot was just plain slutty. I think that she has totally misrepresented the character and that this is 100% hypocritical of him to even start with.

>>6845213
It's a bathing suit. The suit is in the game. You are being silly.

*Actual gameplay footage*

>>6845225
>look at me I'm being stupid on purpose!
>>6844310
>>6844316
What mirth!

Sometimes I wonder why any of you cosplay to begin with.

>>6845277
Sometimes I wonder why trolls are so shitty.

>>6843068
I agree with these type of girls being beta magnets. It leaves guys who are genuinely interested and less work for me to weed out T&A betas.

Just saw Nigris "Nathan Drake cosplay" though.
Jesus H Christ. Her boobs...I didn't actually think she could showcase them any more then she already has.

My god....

I've got no problem with people trying to sex-up cosplay so long as they don't spew bullshit excuses and act like they don't know what they're doing. Nobody cosplays a Dead or Alive character because they truly believe they are an inspirational role model and grounded, well-rounded character.
You're doing it because people can stare at your tits and ass and you like the attention and they like your tits and ass. Everybody wins so long as you don't try to bullshit your way out of this.

Me, I love tits. I love ass. Get your legs out, show off your curves, get your cock out for all I care. But don't pretend you're doing it to show off your skills with a sewing machine. Just say that you're doing it because being hot is cool and I'll respect you a lot more.

>>6845515
Nigri isn't a problem, though. She's never pretended to be anything other than a pretty face and a couple of padded chest beavers and that's fine.

>Guys that like tits and ass are beta
>Guys that fap are beta
Never change /cgl/. Maybe yall can make a love child with the bible thumpers of /pol/.

>>6845520
maybe they just enjoy the game ahahahaha i'll show myself out
>implying people enjoy dead or alive

>>6845515
>Rule 63 Nathan Drake

WHY COULDN'T SHE JUST COSPLAY LAURA CROFT?!

Oh jesus this failed attempt at trolling me is hilarious.

Hey OP. It's time to move on with your life. Stop obsessing over me.

>>6845525
>pretty face
also, she got implants last year so no more padded chest for her

>>6845896

>>6845896
>>6845905
so easily fooled. People who saw her in person can vouch that this was another padded bra with pasties on because of how much padding she used.

You should really give it up lol, it's so sad

>>6845905
>>6846105
Obvious padding, of course. She was modeling for her friend's rave clothing line from what I remember. And if you see her recent shoots and compare, it's all inconsistent boob sizes.

>>6845737
You just made the bad move to post on here. Just saying.

Why can't women go a single day without showcasing their bodies?

>obsessing this much over someone else's boobs
>on a consistent and frequent basis

>>6846219
>/cgl/
It never changes.

>>6846218
what else do they have to offer

>>6845114
>>6845140
No, my point is this is clearly an anon posting from Beethy since it's word for word from a post he made on FB, as seen here:>>6844774
Which means my dear anons, Beethy has chosen to use a picture of his beloved Yas when making this point. He is obviously being two-faced and back-stabby as he is known to be. That's all I'm trying to say.

I never said that Yas' KOS-MOS wasn't canon, that was not the point I was making. It was about Beethy.

>>6845213
This was what I was trying to say.

>>6843023
>>6843035

Comic book artist Tony Harris got majorly chewed out for saying basically this, but he was pretty rude about it.

We get it, you hate Nigri. She can crush you like an ant.

>>6845489

How do you feel about genuinely interested betas?

>>6846354
>>6845515

Oh Beethy, you're such a hypocrite lol.

>>6843455

Why do feminists love taking pictures of themselves holding up written messages so much?

>>6844027
>You telling me if you were the official model for a game character you'd keep it under wraps?

If it was for Borderlands 2 I would.

>>6846368
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST STOP TITTYFYING EVERYTHING

>>6846418

>>6846418
dont you mean:

>>6846437
>global rule 15
Does this get a pass on this board usually?

Not from 'around these parts.'

>>6846468
It's just a reaction image.

>>6846473
See, even on other boards, they don't kin to that.

Just looking around.
(Actually I'm here to make taste of /cgl/ collages. And boy I found a good thread to make it out of!)

>>6846488
The rule is because places like /g/ and /v/ degrade into complete argumentative chaos at the mere sight of a pony. It's a guaranteed derail.

Here it usually isn't. But also here is full of girls, and not middle school boys who feel the need to prove their manhood by ripping on anything cutsey.

>>6846498
Not to be an asshole, but, you don't exactly have the, "maturity" cred either.

More mature in some ways.
Less in others.

Mind you, I -like- ponies.

>>6846498
>middle school boys
Never change /cgl/

>>6846539
I won't lie.
/v/ -acts- like little kids around ponies.

No idea why. They get more offended than some kind of tumblr social justice trans-multi-genderfluid-queer when they even see a picture of a pony.

They're good people and have good hearts.
But they're brash and headstrong.

>>6845905
That was actually for breast cancer awareness

even look on her store,shes putting 100% to charity

>>6845642
because Laura is way over done

fucking christ if she would of done Laura you would of bitched just as much

>>6846734
Not the new Laura or any of her other lesser done outfits.

We'd bitch about her showing off her boobs but not her character choice

>>6845737
fucking kill yourself Beethy
your ugly and no body likes you
damn it even Jessica at least has her fan base, you only have haters

>>6846736

>Laura
>Laura
>Laura

Please.

>>6846735
>Laura
>Laura
>Laura

Please.
For a board so anal about details, this is kind of outstanding.

>>6846761
did someone say miyu?

>>6846734
>>6846735
Samefag, please learn that it is LARA Croft, not Laura.

tl;dr: Changing the outfit more risque is silly; the characters are often already implied to be attractive and characters in really risque outfits still exist.

A lot of women in anime, cartoons, and comics are overtly sexual. Larger breasts, high heels, big hair. But that's not to say it is quite silly to take a character and make it more revealing when if you wished to do that, might as well choose someone with a more revealing outfit.

Leloo wears that outfit through a good bit of the movie, Etna wears barely anything at all. Half the characters in fighting games are either in a teddy or a modified bikini. And... the South is hot during the summer.

I'm dissapointed after all this posts no one posted a better KOS MOS cosplay.

>>6846732
>putting 100% to charity
lol
actually believing that

>>6846105
titty tricks can only take you so far

>>6848973
yeah, you're so dumb it's sad.

>>6848470
This

Have any of you tried to make any of the RWBY cosplays?

>>6843023
>REAL cosplay is not about raping an artist's original design by showing as much tits and ass as possible.
I really hate people like you who use the word "rape" as a means to express your insignificant opinions dramatically.

You don't like slutty cosplay? Don't participate in it. However, if you think you have any hope of combating it, good luck.

>>6845387
>disagrees with you
>"MUST BE A TROLL!"

>>6843023
I wish sites like Leddit would implode because this shit is getting really tiresome. All the random galleries of hot chicks in cosplay, or just random chicks in cosplay, or entire articles dedicated to J-nigs.

Fucking Phillip DeFranco and his whole dedication to being a slavering "DAYUM CHECK OUT DEM BOOBIES" brodude who totally cares about the issues and has strong opinions about social justice and feminism and including women in male hobbies, but will go on at length about how he wants to do terrible degrading things to Nigri because she's so smoking hot that he just can't help himself since seeing her reduces him to a twitching pile of dick and drool.

But, you know, fuck him and every like him, in general, for being an avatar of everything wrong with the internet.

If a female cosplayer is damn good and lands a job as a model or a PR accessory, and she gets paid to make costumes and show off at cons and events, then that's fine. If they have the skills to do that, then I think it's pretty fucking cool that they even get the chance. However, I don't think that justifies the obsessive e-stalking and idol worship because some girl knows how to watch what she eats, wear make up, and use the same skills that thousands of other cosplayers already mastered because they felt like it. Seriously, combing and styling a wig and putting together some craft foam armor doesn't make you a fucking genius.

>>6843306

Women need to quit fucking whining and realize that if they're sexy and they're showing it off they're going to get ogled, maybe even harassed aggressively by people who are morons. Kick those bastards in the nuts and shut up about it.

And men need to stop thinking that a woman who dresses sexy is advertising herself like some piece of meat. Feel free to look and even compliment, but otherwise why don't you just treat them like a regular human being and quit sperging all over the fucking place?

God this overblown bullshit pisses me off.

>>6843337

Fuck you you asshole. I love sluts, quit trying to shame them.

>>6843499

No man we always have to interpret every action be every person as indicative of the feminazi man-haters.

It couldn't possibly just be that some people, maybe even the majority of people, are total asshats.

Oh boy.
>Are you or anyone you know going to Fanime?

>Spread the word! Sushi Killer will be there wearing one of these shirts throughout the weekend to take pictures for the next wave of CONsent!

Post pics of said female cosplayers? I need to evaulate how much skin they are showing before I can agree with you.

>>6855811
I thought the cosplay community collectively agreed that hi-jacking the hobby to talk about rape and feminism was shitty and stupid.

Sort of like hi-jacking the video game hobby to talk about sexism and feminism.

>>6855823
There's LOUD IDIOTS that make the less prone to confirmation bias people look bad

there are problems (just look at metroid other m)but holy shit theres some misplaced priorites

So- how best to troll these CONsent faggots? What are they all about anyway? Other than being pissed off that none of them are hot enough to be objectified.

>>6855832
The whole thing wreaks of treating the symptom instead of curing the disease. It's a societal issue, not one that is unique to cosplay or video games. Stop yelling at nerds in their personal gatherings about shit they have no control over.

>>6855844
Make a shirt in the same exact style that reads something like
>Cosplay = Costume Play
Then take a bunch of photos of people holding white boards with messages like
>I'd love for you to take my picture!
>Ask me about my props!
>Sewing is one of my many skills!

would you rather have christians with signs?

>>6855856
this.
fuck, just TRYING TO REDUCE THE RACISM/SEXISM/WHATEVERISM in Multiplayer games would be more effective

or you know, educating people that feminism isnt "hurr durr castrate all men all glory to the gynocracy"

pissing EVERYONE ELSE OFF isnt going to help your disadvantaged group

instead we've got what can only be described as cargo cult activism where they mimic the real activists who can actually accomplish things (see: people totally misusing words like "trigger" or "privilege" or "patriarchy" on 4chan/reddit/tumblr/everywhere on the internet where dumbasses gather)

A womens body were meant to please men both visually and sexually.

the are meant for those men that got the guys to physically take her and lead her away from her friends or whoever she usually hangs out with, as beautiful women rarely are alone.

be it force,agression or persuasion. its legit.


That said, the visual part is that its suposed to be sexualised. we are not looking for a womans personality in COSPLAY. very rarely. that elizabeth cosplayer has more emotion and personality in that look then 80% of the most popular cumdumpsters cosplayers.

since women cant physically fight, they just fight mentaly and talk badly about other women, this proves male and female roles further.

The only time a womans cosplay or clothes indicate any personality that is UNIQUE and not a hivemind, is when she wears those clothes on a normal day aswell.

>>6844299

>>6855875

I'm pretty sure Ronda Rousey would fuck you up

>>6855875
That whole post made me 'wat', but especially the line:
>The only time a womans cosplay or clothes indicate any personality that is UNIQUE and not a hivemind, is when she wears those clothes on a normal day aswell.

Da fuq? So... a woman cosplaying her favorite character isn't personality unless she does it all the time? This completely disregards the fact that cons provide less harassment prone environment for such activities. Sorry, but I wouldn't for example think that a girl going to the grocery store dressed up as Madoka or Wonder Woman so much had personality as she was acting a bit unhinged. And even if the cosplay in question at the con is being done for attention whoring reasons, that still shows some of her personality. It's just that her personality happens to be shit.

As a female who's fairly conservative when it comes to dressing and who isn't horribly comfortable with oversexualized anything I can safely say I wouldn't care if girls at cons cosplayed in string bikinis or whatever as long as the place wasn't flooded with them and they didn't make a huge fucking deal about people ogling their preshus bewbs.

I don't care if they are comfortable with their bodies so they don't mind revealing more or if they're attentionwhores or sjws or whatever the fuck the reasoning behind being nearly naked lies in.

But don't make a huge fuss over some mouth breathing basementdwellers drooling over you when you should have expected that by going to a place where such people are much more likely to be in large concentration.

If their behavior is crossing the line or ill-willed and you feel it's negatively affecting the con experience then find a way to deal with it properly, by confronting them and letting them know their behavior is making you uncomfortable. You'd be surprised how many people don't realize that a certain type of behavior isn't always appropriate, especially if they don't have much social exp to begin with. If they ignore you, then have con security deal with them.

That said, if the behaviors are harmless then don't try to shame people for being people. A couple stares repulse you, so what? don't make it into a fucking movement.
Don't tell the people who are aroused by your costume that they're disgusting pigs who need to check their privilege.

You can't control people's natural reaction to things.

>>6855906
im sure she is good in bed but she gotta give a reason on why any man would want to bang her. let alone me. if not then I wouldnt let her fuck anyone.>>6855914
that means you have no personality. are you really that frail you cant handle simple harrasment?

Other than that. social intelligent also is displayed here by women who knows what cosplays are ok to wear in public without looking wierd.

>>6856077

>This is your arm after you try to tell Ronda Rousey you wouldn't let her do something

I know I'm arguing with a troll, but I wanted an excuse to use this visual. You suck at trolling. :l

>>6856077
>'social intelligent' displayed by any public cosplay
>deleted original post
Looooool.

>>6843343
looks like one of those aliens from Avatar

>>6849923
>waaaah why won't men give me attention ;_;

>>6855856
>The whole thing wreaks of treating the symptom instead of curing the disease. It's a societal issue, not one that is unique to cosplay or video games. Stop yelling at nerds in their personal gatherings about shit they have no control over.

exactly. Video games aren't a uniquely sexist thing in a glorious society of acceptance and wonder.
They're a very expensive product being produced in a capitalist society where sexism is the norm - do you think there are companies who really want to change that norm at a huge risk of loosing thousands or millions of dollars.

>>6855872
>or you know, educating people that feminism isnt "hurr durr castrate all men all glory to the gynocracy"

That would be lying, though.

>>6856379
Uh, no, it wouldn't.

>>6856379
maybe in the 60s and 80s but feminism has changed.
The kinds of women who advocate 'misandry' are a radical group of mostly older women or 2edgy retards from tumblr who need a good slap in the face.

There are plenty of intelligent feminists who just want to have a better quality of life.

>>6856400
>a movement that does nothing but talk about how men are the devil, only women can be victims of sexism, ignores any instance of sexism against men as well as physical/sexual abuse of men and blames a nebulous "patriarchy" for society's ills that sounds more and more like /pol/ Jew/Illuminati bullshit every day isn't man-hating

>>6856407
how do i third wave feminism

>>6856415
It doesn't matter what wave it is when it's the dominant form.

>>6856418
the times they are a changin' anon

>>6856407
Patriarchy is a term for societies in which male is the favoured gender, and in which men hold power, dominion and privileges. This power is often held at individual, family and community level, such as the dominion of fathers over their unmarried daughters and husbands over their wives, and is reinforced by societal and cultural norms, religious teachings, media portrayals of female inferiority, and in some cases by laws limiting women's rights.

Maybe if you actually read instead of having a ridiculous kneejerk reaction to shit you'd learn something

>>6856456
And patriarchy in feminist terms is a conspiracy theory where an elite group of shadowy cabals made up of men meets to plan how best to oppress strong independent womyn while rubbing their hands gleefully like the happy merchant,

Oh, also they oppress men too. But women don't, because women can't be sexist and NEVER support things like male gender roles and unequal treatment under the law.

>>6856462
>totally missing the fucking point.

there's no fucking SECRET MAN MEETINGS (unless my fucking invitations keep getting lost just like my SECRET JEW MEETING invites do).
its /that/ ingrained into society

the intersectional feminists prefer the Kyriarchy theory where its the /more powerful/ people in society regardless of gender that are the problem

>>6856479
He doesn't care. He's just going to shit post over and over again.

>>6856479
Is that how they justify women who don't believe in feminist's sexist bullshit? "You're just a sheeple following what's ingrained in society, WE'RE the enlightened ones who realize that sexism against women is bad (but it's ok against men).

It's especially funny considering women are the ones who expect men to be leaders and then complain when men are leaders. Why do they never blame themselves for making it so men who don't succeed and hold power are considered shit-tier and essentially forcing men to either succeed or die?

Another reason I'm pretty sure the nebulous conspiracy explanation is more accurate.

why are all the feminazis I know also socialists

>>6856504
Feminism is an ideology where women are entitled to for free what men have to work for.

>I deserve a job over male candidates because vagina
>I deserve free birth control paid for by men because vagina
>I deserve half of my husband's estate that I had no hand in earning because vagina
>I deserve respect for having lots of sex even though the men did all the work to get me in bed because vagina

>>6856514

I think of feminism as an idelogy where women go

> I deserve

I don't know why that somehow translates to

> he doesn't

in some people's mind.

>>6846732
lol no, she was modeling for her friend's rave clothing line.

But seriously can we just go back to the days of just dressing up as characters and not some sexified "original" designplzdontstealkthnx?

>>6856514
not sure if troll or extremely butthurt

But I do agree that society babies women far too much. They have so much more advantages then men simply because they birth dem babies.


>video of a woman who explains this concept in more in0-depth way:

>feminism and the dsposable male
youtu.be/vp8tToFv-bA
>An unusual point of view on women/men social relationship.

>>6856536
Never. Cosplay is just individuals wearing whatever they want in whatever variation they want so there's nothing really there to stop it. I guess you could avoid cons that have a reputation of just being "costume parties" rather then anime conventions.

>>6856534
Because you can't deserve things men don't get because of your vagina without excluding men from it as well?

>>6856552
That... didn't make much sense. That being said, >>6856514 didn't make much sense either.

>I deserve free birth control paid for by men because vagina
>I deserve half of my husband's estate that I had no hand in earning because vagina

Maybe it's paid by men because apparently men deserve a job over female candidatures? You can't have your cake and eat it too...

>I deserve respect for having lots of sex even though the men did all the work to get me in bed because vagina

As for this, it's the opposite. Patriarchy wants women to stay in the kitchen and be pure virgins or something like that. It's the men that are being pushed to have sex because it's so manry, no?

>>6856649
>Maybe it's paid by men because apparently men deserve a job over female candidatures?

That would be difficult, since last I checked AA hiring favors women.

Or do you mean higher-up jobs that more men have because more men work for them since men have to be successful to even be seen as people?

>As for this, it's the opposite. Patriarchy wants women to stay in the kitchen and be pure virgins or something like that. It's the men that are being pushed to have sex because it's so manry, no?

That doesn't change the fact that men are the ones who actually go out and be proactive in having sex while all women do is sit around and wait for people to get into their pants. How does that deserve the same respect as a man who's rich, confident, and socially prestigious enough to lay lots of attractive women?

>>6856649
Wait...you still believe in the gender wage gap myth?

When you account for actual, you know, choices people make in what careers to pursue and what jobs to pursue within those careers, it pretty much vanishes.

On a related note, Harvard's Women's Law Association has its own list of "best firms to work for," pretty much entirely measured on the things women statistically tend to value in the job market more -- flexibility, time at home, maternity leave conditions, etc. These are forms of compensation provided in lieu of higher salaries. That women lawyers coming from Harvard maintain these preferences that exist across all industries shows how absurd it is to not take these into account and makes any representations that don't do so lies by omission.

>>6856660
Women want the better working conditions AND the same salary as men for less work. Of course, men can still work shitty hours, since who cares about them lol.

>>6856658
>have to be successful to even be seen as people


fuck you.

You're this buttranged because you can't face your own shortcomings? what a fucking joke. Just because passive aggressive beta faggots like you have such a hard time achieving anything in life doesn't mean it's the same for everyone.

Women don't get CEO positions as often because it's still not culturally acceptable for a woman to have a higher ranking position as a man, cause you know, women are so helpless and weak.

you know who really is helpless and weak here? It's people who refuse to accept that they have faults and limits. You can't overcome your shortcoming if you keep blaming other people for them. You seem to favor blaming other people instead of coming to terms with the real issue. Classic beta faggot behavior.

Of course, you're a troll. And since i'm bothering to reply i'll give you a 2/10.
>>6856661
0/10

>>6856678
You're arguing with the resident board troll.

>>6856678
>fuck you.

Are you angry because I'm right?

>cause you know, women are so helpless and weak.

A position women support when it benefits them.

>>6856658
>>6856660

I was just agreeing to the first point anon here, >>6856514, made about how women don't deserve a job over male candidates , but apparently that's wrong too! How surprising!

> I just can't ever win, can I?

>>6856536
everyone is too obsessed with being a special snowflake and having their own concepts, ideas, genderbends, slutty takes on things, etc.

if you're going to cosplay a revealing character, sure as hell be revealing...but atleast stay to the original design. im not going to lie, i'm not a fan of OC.

Op's girl cosplayed an official design. So she gets away with it. But if you're gunna jnig everything and just add tits and whore makeup, thats on a completely different level of "cos-slut".

>>6856726

Personally? If you just wanna be sexy and take pictures being all hot and put them online? NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT EITHER

I know multiple girls who do burlesque shows because they like it. there's NOTHING wrong with that!

But "I'm a super serious cosplayer" when you're just being miss softcore....no

>>6856686
no, you're not right. Men are in positions of high authority because their fragile ego demands it not because society has unrealistic expectations of them. In fact, isn't it expected for a man to advance up the corporate ladder much easily than women? If a woman is in charge, the men would feel inferior which is a big no-no.

And you know something? holding on to such antiquated beliefs is what makes us backwards. We won't allow a woman to lead us because her femininity is somehow threatening a non-existing balance. Which is that men always on top, taking care of the women. Even though the roles have changed significantly in recent years, we're nowhere near an egalitarian society yet.

>A position women support when it benefits them.

You would think so, wouldn't you, troll? But that is true of everyone if anyone at all, men and women.

>>6855961
You, I like you

>>6857530
>If a woman is in charge, the men would feel inferior which is a big no-no.


You wouldn't marry a man who makes less than you unless he has a huge advantage in some other area, like a really big dick or something.

>>6857530
>Which is that men always on top, taking care of the women.

We want to take care of you.

You know, if you girls gave out more sex more equally, there would be none of this angst.

>>6843445

But why get involved in the hobby in the first place then if you don't like the female designs of the characters?

Also, the skimpier dressed characters are more popular as cosplays.

Look at how many slutty sailor moon cosplayers there are. Pretty much any female who has cosplayed sailor moon is megaslut.

>>6857530
>Men are in positions of high authority because their fragile ego demands it not because society has unrealistic expectations of them.

And the only reason these "fragile egos" (read: need to succeed) exist is because of male gender roles dictating they do, reinforced by women who are more attracted to men with more power and social prestige.

>Which is that men always on top, taking care of the women.

That's how women want it to be. There's a reason women loath stay-at-home dads and hate dating men who don't make more than them..

>>6857665
But women don't need to be taken care of. They're not babies.
>>6857647
thank you, anon.

>>6857688
>generalizations, generalizations errwhere

>>6857693
>true statements, true statements everywhere

>>6857688
Men and women are equally responsible for enforcing harmful gender roles. Until the media industry kicks the entirety of one gender out of its offices, both will contribute. The only real solution is for people to stop being such fucking sheep and learn to be their own dude, regardless of what society thinks people of their gender should do. Then maybe men would stop fucking everything that moves and women would stop obsessing over 'marrying up'.

>>6857704
>to be their own dude, regardless of what society thinks people of their gender should do.

Except only women can actually afford to do that. if men don't follow their gender roles they just remain alone and life moves past them.

>>6857713
*men who don't follow their gender roles and whine on /r9k/ about it instead of actually being proactive about leading the life they want to leave
ftfy broseph, no need to thank me

>>6843023
>>REAL cosplay is not about raping an artist's original design by showing as much tits and ass as possible.

You must be new here.

Females, can you at least admit that some cosplays, as in, the flat out fetishistic or pornographic ones, are pushing things too far?

We men try, we really do, but we have our limits, and sometimes it feels like you're testing them on purpose.

>>6857775

This. The temptation is awful.

Don't put us through it.

Heh, The author/photographer of what OP posted (from what I gather) revenge-fucked the model in the picture, Yasemin Arslan.
I remember his ex questioning him in public about it on his FB back in the day.

Pic related: It's him.

>>6857788
I meant OPs picture, not the one I posted above.

>>6857788
Cosplayers are sorta slutty huh?

There are so many things I wanted to reply to but I realize it's pointless considering the people on this board are so fucking idiotic and hopeless.

>>6857775
>>6857782

If you morons can't keep your shit together, it's no surprise that you don't really have the self-control to keep it classy and start a conversation and be proactive about it.

I think comments like these come from guys that are completely hopeless with the opposite sex

>>6857788
HAHAHAHA