/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Even tao bao would've been better than whatever this is

BSOLF has lowered there standards to the point of making this fashion a joke

Why is it so hard for these people to just buy a decent blouse?

"Mom, come pick me up- I'm scared, there's a weird lady wearing cat ears and a weird dress.."

*looks at shoes*

For a place that claims to give good advice and try to tell people what would look good, so many of these ita's never change...so what the f is the point of their group in the first place? Smh

Inb4 somebody tries to defend any of these bad coords, if you look at current JP lolita's (tokyo com) barely any of them are objectively this bad

Tbh, I'm tired of people trying to claim that when it's "baby's first coord" that they get a pass for being an ita, it's 2023 and there are so many resources for you to teach yourself how to not dress like absolute garbage- there is literally no excuse

I feel like Lor is responsible for new ita's because so many of them seem to just think there's no rules

Apparently "Lolita fashion designer Fidel David" made this dress but all I see is a train wreck, also who tf is Fidel David

Bedsheet/Curtain-kei

I feel bad for the other kids at this high school graduation, some of them are trying not to laugh. If I saw a landwhale with a manish face wearing classic lolita and a lesbian haircut I too might bust up

>>10897528
pilgrim kei

everyday we stray further from Misako Aoki's guidelines

>>10897554
so what are the chances this image was made by someone who was like 7 years old in 2010

>>10897523
>>10897526
>>10897527
>>10897548
>>10897553
Post original images we have already seen these lol

>>10897546
that's oldschool

also why are you posting so many old pictures that have already been posted here before? a good chunk of these are at least several months old

>>10897533
this is a successful halloween costume, if I saw it in the wild I would feel fear

>>10897556
>>10897569
How about you guls shut up and post ita's? If they're old, then find new pictures- shouldn't be that hard. Also, a majority of them are new, so stop shitting up the thread- sorry one of you got posted :)

>>10897569
"that's oldschool"
The substyle isn't the issue, we're all aware it's old-school, fatties are automatically ita. Are you new?

>>10897540
What's up with that doorhandle?

I spat out my tea

>>10897555
but they're not wrong tho imo, it's hard to find western lolita's that can coord without looking frumpy/trashy

>>10897588
What did you not like about this?

>>10897594
Ntayrt, but at first glance, it looks okay. Looking closely, it's remarkably cheap and even tacky looking. Party store coloured tights, generic turtleneck, plasticky children's jewellery, basic plain shoes. As far as casual cords go, this isn't it.

>>10897601
agree. i think she has potential since the colours are balanced well, but it's all too costume quality to read as lolita. she needs to invest in some good quality pieces, i'd kind of like to see what she could do with a good wardrobe. it's rare you see an ita coord that's just cheap rather than completely hopeless

>>10897594
just kind of frumpy/awkward. It's giving "I spent all my money on the main piece and cheaped out on the rest"

>>10897555
This image was made the other night kek, you'll barly ever see any western lolita's trying as hard to look this well put together, seethe harder ita

>>10897551
not the worst, but cat ears+green bow, why? I don't need eyebleach for this though

>>10897592
cause u shits run them off with drama. no one can just post online anymore. even the ones that were popular in the west back then try to stay low from yall.

>>10897609
This--most well dressed lolitas know better than to post online, or if they do it's to small groups or private accounts.

>>10897531
ill give her credit. she has matched her pinks incredibly well. Its a shame she chose the cheapest looking dress & vomit-inducing shade, though

>>10897609
Lol, no one is shitting on well dressed Lolita's, this isn't behind the bows- if you dress well, you're fine.

>>10897610
>>10897609
This isn't even true, the Lolita subreddit's and tags on Instagram refute this, they dress like they have common sense when it comes to styling a coord- not that hard to put in effort.

>>10897581
how about you shave your man stache and take a breather fattie, i know your pcos is bothering you REAL bad

>>10897611
>she matched her pinks incredibly well
the shoes throw the whole thing off. But I'll agree with you on the handbag, it's like she threw the whole head-to-knees part of the outfit into the same vat of dye.

>>10897614
Lol triggered much? You can kiss my 110lbs ass, bet you're a real land whale.

>>10897616
keep jiggling thru the screen bitch

>>10897617
Not sure how I became fat after also being anorexic but try harder, maybe if you say it enough someone will believe it- it ain't gonna be me tho Karen :)
Sorry you got posted :D

>>10897617
>>10897614

As the original Anon who posted all these fat and ugly bitches to the ita thread I second the other anon here. Go back to your little group to get ass-patted for low effort coords you salty sack of shit. Maybe if you tried harder to care about yourself, working out and making idk coording well you wouldn't have ended up here. Also your insult hurling isn't going to fix your shitty style choices or even worse personality.

10897618
>Not sure how I became fat after also being anorexic but try harder, maybe if you say it enough someone will believe it- it ain't gonna be me tho Karen :)
>Sorry you got posted :D

>>10897614
This you?

10897619
>As the original Anon who posted all these fat and ugly bitches to the ita thread I second the other anon here. Go back to your little group to get ass-patted for low effort coords you salty sack of shit. Maybe if you tried harder to care about yourself, working out and making idk coording well you wouldn't have ended up here. Also your insult hurling isn't going to fix your shitty style choices or even worse personality.

>>10897620
>>10897621
Both of you shut the fuck up and post ita's

>>10897622
Is that ShoeOnHead? Or a tranny? Last time I checked penises weren't allowed in Lolita.

>Old-ass picks that were posted several threads ago
>Thinspo-chans posting fats for being fats
>Deflection and racism
This is exactly why no one takes these garbage threads seriously anymore. Jannies will probably let this one s a g e like the last one, if they have any sense. Did OP just Google "ita" and post whatever came up? I mean, seriously, this is just lazy.

>>10897622
The leftist faggot, bitchboi reveals himself, very dirty room, your mother would be proud of both your crossdressing delusions and your room

>>10897625
ed girlies brains are malnourished, wants all of us to do all the work, whats new

>>10897625
No OP combed through r/Lolita and r/Lolitafashion as well as some Facebook groups but if you think you can do better, I implore you anon please do

>>10897625
>Did OP just Google "ita" and post whatever came up? I mean, seriously, this is just lazy.

Lol, you just don't like idiots being exposed for their trashy coords. At least this isn't a vendetta thread were half the people posted look perfectly fine, most of the ita bullshit is what do ya know ACTUAL ITA'S

>>10897626
somehow stupider than OP lol

>>10897627
You'll bitch about the quality of ita's, lmao- ita means "ouch" to look at or painful, it doesn't mean, subtly bad or vendetta post, it means "that looks badly put together" all of the people posted here deserve it, if you don't think so, explain why, I'll wait.

>>10897630
somehow can't recognize bad coords from good ones, and it shows- leave the fashion, you're literally why it's dying, you make all of us who actually try to look decent like clowns when you go out in your trashbag ass wrinkly taobao and tell people "it's lolita fashion"

>>10897556
I've never seen any of these before, some of us don't live on cgl full time, also OP please don't stop posting, these have got me cackling

>>10897525
The demonia's

>picture is a week old

week ≠ month

>>10897642
85% if this outfit is aliexpress garbage *barf*

>>10897622
Post your coords hun, don't be shy, we're all waiting

>>10897534
Why the hair drying towel? Itas are confusing creatures

>>10897523
I'm so tired of these people asking for concrit and then having 'but' for everything when receiving it. Also what's going on on the trim of that blouse's sleeves?

Why do a lot of these bitches look like men.

and im not talkin about the troons

>>10897652
Girls who aren't pretty gravitate to Lolita to feel pretty

>>10897551
It's not even that the hime bangs don't suit her. It looks like they cut them too short or something? Or they're clip ons that she put on too high.

>>10897582
nayrt but OP said it was classic lolita

>>10897590
What the fuck? A black person drew this right?

>>10897592
there are lots you just can’t go in the #lolita tag and sort by new and not expect to see hideous poorly dressed landwhales. like attracts like. if you’re thin, pretty, and dress well you’ll attract similar peers. if you can’t, then boy do i have bad news for you

>>10897607
not even seething and not an ita! i guarantee i own more burando than you will in your entire life. i’m just enjoying the retard vs retard slap fight in here. thanks for confirming you’re “barly” sentient though

>>10897592
> it's hard to find western lolita's that can coord without looking frumpy/trashy
The hard pill to shallow is that lolita was never ment for anyone 5’3” or taller, busty, borderline obese, or dark skinned. Notice that most of your favorite lolita images are the opposite of that.

the ita thread isn’t normally this cringe and full of newfaggotry, something in the water?

>>10897668
>I'm 5'5
Is it over for me

>>10897671
Obviously you can still make a coord look good if your 5’5 your just not the target audience for Japanese fashion, because it’s made for Japanese/petite body types.

>>10897669
the kids are on winter break from school, they'll vanish again in about a week.

>>10897668
Tbh this is just a sad and limited take. I love a lot of looks and coords I’ve seen that don’t meet those criterion. Your take fixates on a few outdated standards that really aren’t that important with the emergence of new brands and the shift in sizing even at AP. Fashions evolve, and though a global audience wasn’t in the minds of the tiny companies that started the fashion at the time, every major Lolita brand has taken major steps to open up to a global audience in the last 5 years or so.

Sidenote: my favorite inspo on Instagram rn is black, and she crushes it.

>>10897555
Sorry your going to the retirement home

>>10897655
Substyle doesn't matter, obese + ita, or has the original rules of the fashion been thrown out the window- because if you can all of a sudden look like you can have a whole ass solar system orbiting around you while wearing lolita, I need to make flyers to advertise the fashion at my local walmart

>>10897659
you do know what the ita thread is for right nonna? we post them here to laugh at the bad coords or crossdressing/trannies. This thread isn't here for everyone to kiss each others asses.

>>10897652
I've noticed this too, it's like women who don't look feminine enough gravitate towards the most hyperfeminine clothing and it just looks like a crossdressing man. It's off-putting.

>>10897676
> outdated standards that really aren’t that important with the emergence of new brands
I dont care if the standards are outdated, petite is the body type that was designed for lolita from the start. Since obese people could start wearing lolita it started an influx of itas and shitty indie brands.

Skinny black girls can look good in lolita but like I said they werent the original target audience for lolita.

Go wear your 6XL dress ita.

>>10897652

>>10897681
Oh my gawd, what the f are those sleeves.
Also, leftists should've never invaded this fashion, they've been slowly destroying it with their "accepting everything and everyone" snowflakery. No lefty Karen, I will not attend meets with morbidly obese women who can't walk up a flight of stairs to save their life, or a bunch of perverted sissies, or delulu af tranny's. You can keep all that sick shit at home and let me and the normal bmi, mentally healthy com members drink our tea and eat our macrons in peace.

>>10897681
Bitch has her own orbit

>>10897681
White girls also weren’t the target audience, even petite ones. What is your motivation for singling out dark skin as not intended lolita?

>>10897685
No one cares if you're black and wear lolita, you just want someone in this thread to be overtly racist so bad. Can't you idk, go racebait on Twitter or something where it actually works. Also pretty sure most of us know the audience originally was only asians.

>>10897677
Damn if being in your 20s makes you old now, guess those millennial lolita's must be dust in an urn

lul so many angry ita's in the replies, just because you call someone else fat and stupid, does not make you, the ita who was posted any less fat or stupid

>>10897689
Why are her shoulders bulging out like that...

>>10897677
i’m 23, it’s just cringe as fuck to larp as part of an era when you weren’t around in. almost everyone i’ve seen talk like that has been some with 4 nasty stained AP dresses they paid scalper prices for anyways. if they weren’t larping posers they could had joined a few years earlier they could’ve got the same pieces in good condition for half the price. there are itas and well dressed girls in every time period

>>10897686
Saying black girls aren't the target of lolita is race baiting to begin with. If they're the right size there's no functional difference except maybe hair, but Lolita is full of wigs anyway. You can try to deflect it onto me but it was weird to say

>>10897685
> White girls also weren’t the target audience
This is true for the majority of Lolita fashions history but some of the first lolita brand issues would use European girls for promotional material, so that’s debatable.

(Photo is a MILK fashion show, late 70s or early 80s)

>>10897531
>>10897521
the schizo hovel background always makes these images hit different

>>10897589
Nitpick, she could use a better hairstyle or a wig but the actual coord is fine.

>>10897701
How is this ita?

>>10897535
Nitpick; she understands the basics.
Get her better legwear and wristcuffs, matching shoes, and a better hairstyle or wig, and she'd be fine.

>>10897542
Probably designs fashion for the *other* lolita

>>10897668
Asian people will not fuck you no matter how hard you fetishize them

>>10897601
nayrt; i agree with the tights and turtleneck, but the shoes would be fine in the right coord and let's not act like AP doesn't put out overpriced plastic junk jewelry for 60 dollars.
Another problem here is the dress is too short on her.

>>10897668
I agree that it was made for the Japanese but I hope you don't mean that some of these groups can't look still good. When it comes to tall-chans, there are a lot longer dresses now so as long as the giraffe-chans aren't trying to wear short dresses, and they pay attention to length measurements, are aware of their body shape and such, I think they can still look great. They may be more limited and have to pass on certain items. Maybe the reason you have such a harsh opinion about dark-skinned people is because, well either yellow-fever, or that it's relatively uncommon to see black/brown people wearing lolita (You mostly see Japanese girls, then white girls, and rarely black girls.) so obviously you will see fewer images of them. but there are still some very cute black girls who are doing well in the fashion. The only thing I agree with you on is the obese because there is not way they could pull off the silhouette.

As for this picture, this gross moid posts disgusting, concerning shit like this like every day, often tagging it as lolita, and I'm not sure why he's gone under the radar

>>10897700
This seems fine for a casual coord. The only nitpick is if she had shoes in a more fitting colour.

>>10897702
I'm 99% sure this is the he/him troon ita who sells customised pacifiers and lingerie on Instagram.

>>10897714
This one desperately needs a face sticker. Not like it will help the trashy coord look better, but just to save my eyes from being jumpscared by this creature.

>>10897716
>he/him ita
If so, congrats to her on the weight loss.

>>10897524
what’s with this pose itas always do

>>10897707
Looking this greasy and unkempt isn't a nitpick.

>>10897641
Schoolplay-core

>>10897676
Sounds vaccinated

>>10897714
Box mix brownies

>>10897542
Oh god, I know that movie. I looked up the guy and he doesn't seem to have a shop but his insta is @fidel.david. Most of the outfits he post there seem much better than this.

>>10897521
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>>10897556
I know we've already seen it plenty, put the beast posted this outfit onto CoF now with the caption "A coord I liked for myself quite a bit but got a lot of criticism for. One of the first I've put together irl.

(I know the tights don't match. Their diabetic non binding and don't really have other color options. 'm working o figuring out how to dye them. I am also wearing a petticoat but it deflated. I have a better one arriving in the mail soon)"

She's seriously trying to get ass pats over the extremely nice advice she was given earlier

>>10897683
Leftists didn't invade lolita. Did you really think this fashion, which was counter cultural to begin with, was started by conservatives/right-wing people?
Lolita has always been a space by and for weird progressive people.
During its rise in the 90s Japanese lolitas were stereotyped as ugly and fat, because it attracted really homely looking and chubby girls (some of which were legitimately overweight, although probably not obese), some brand sizing was also more generous than the standard sizing. As I hope we are all aware, every country has seen its obesity rates increase over the years. That includes japan. Fat Japanese lolitas still wear Japanese brand, although you will see few actually obese Japanese lolitas.
Japanese and Chinese women are the target demographic of Japanese lolita brands. It doesn't matter if a brand uses a non Asian models for their promotional material, the target demographic is still Asian women.

Being obese is not kawaii imo. Although I can think of one who dresses decently.
I draw the line at men with a cross dressing fetish though, they can gtfo. I wish there were no men in lolita at all (some exceptions apply) but in general nobody who obviously looks like a man in a dress.

>>10897734
You should've attached the actual image she posted to COF which had the text "Princess in Chains" alongside her photos. Knowing her history of kinkposting on Reddit about dollification and bondage, it honestly makes me want to throw up that the COF mods let this through.

>>10897735
>Leftists didn't invade lolita.

You mean to tell me trannies, and chronically disabled/a-gender/non-binary/568 gender weirdos/made up identity larpers/neo-pronouns are not a new phenomenon that has decided to join the fashion. It's a social contagion. Give me a break. Also Lolita is pretty conservative in a sense that it's meant to be modest, and cohesive and look properly put together, you can't throw on a polyester trashbag and a limp petticoat and a "muh lolita coord is gud, no concript pls".
They're attracted to it so they have something else to say "poor me, give me pitty, I'm being bullied because muh-differences" when it's really just that they're attention whores who don't want to put effort into looking good because they think having mental illness gives them a pass.
I'm so tired of people tolerating it, there should be a rule about kicking people out of coms with those issues because all they do is cause drama.

>>10897698

You know as well I as do that they used euro models not to sell to other westerners, they used them to sell the IDEA of western looks to an eastern audience.

So no, white girls were never the target audience.

>>10897746
Not to mention these types of people are usually the one's who are secretly into kink and try to use their issues as a deflection from real criticism.

>>10897746
We can thank tik-tok for these weirdo's, and gen-z for this.

>>10897740
CoF mods and reddit mods are the same friend group so makes sense they allow the same kinkposting

>>10897750
Ew

>>10897746
Chronically disabled people have always been all up in the fashion nonny. Trans/autistic/did is only new in the fashion because it’s relatively new as a widely known social concept, but let’s not sit here and pretend that Lolita fashion didn’t always attract predominantly strange/ostracized people. Why do you think community drama always been so unhinged ? It’s certainly not because the fashion always attracted week adjusted people pre 2015. Screech however loud you want to, but it’s always been that way on some level.

>>10897748
>criticism for secretly being into kink
So I guess you’d just rather them be open about it? Secretly is the only way to be into kink as far as I’m concerned, and I really don’t give a flying fuck what anyone does in their private time. Why are people in this fashion so weirdly obsessed with trying to sus out what people do in the bedroom on their own time. If they’re openly being weird or uncomfortable about their kinks that’s one thing, but getting nosy about who may or may not secretly like whatever in the bedroom is hella weird.

>>10897754
>If they’re openly being weird or uncomfortable about their kinks that’s one thing, but getting nosy about who may or may not secretly like whatever in the bedroom is hella weird.

That's literally what we mean anon, they wear kink gear and harnesses in their lolita coords and talk about it at meets... also just an FYI you can't force people to be accepting of your bedroom preferences, if you share that you like "dollification" and bondage on your Lolita reddit page that's a red flag, because you're a closet pervert. People have a right to not feel perved on in public spaces and being around someone who's open about that/posting kink shit to the same account as their Lolita posts is an insant GTFO of our community. Also there's a clear crossover between kink and lolita fashion for some people and that's where it becomes uncomfortable, because for a lot of normal lolita's it's just a clothing style and not some sort of weird sexual fetish. Inb4 you say "you need to respect other ppl's lifestyles" no, bitch I don't have to respect perverts in a community that is supposed to be SFW and mainly about enjoying a fashion style and doing fun girly shit together, never seen a "kinky" lolita meetup and I hope to god I never will.

>>10897753
> Lolita fashion didn’t always attract predominantly strange/ostracized people

It hasn't always, and there are plenty of normal people in this fashion who don't want to associate with the whole did/autistic/trans bullshit. Early 2014 I attended meets with people I'd consider completely normal looking back that just had an interest in alternative fashion styles, non of them were disabled or mentally unhinged, maybe a little salty but nothing as extreme as you see now invading the community. It's really not defendable.

>>10897756
Nayrt but there were definitely unhinged weebs in lolita communities in the west in the 2000s. And generally people who didn't seem to understand social norms, or had poor control over their emotions and behavior which they would sometimes excuse with "borderline personality disorder " . Lolita has always attracted crazies, not just in the west. There is footage from early 2000s meetups in Japan where it's obvious some people attending are creeped out by other attendees (some of which are men).
Do not for a moment think things were perfect in the past. They were just better because there no excessively woke people.

>>10897746
Ayrt, you said "leftists" (which includes everyone on the left) and not "excessively woke people " which is what you just described. Most leftists aren't excessively woke, most leftists think excessively woke people are crazy. The chronically disabled/gender special/mental illness faking for clout/get offended by everything crowd is something that basically didn't exist in the 2000s. Most of us hadn't even heard of the term trans gender in the 2000s.
However, even if excessively woke people weren't part of lolita up until the 2010s (because it wasn't a phenomenon before then), lolita fashion has always been by and for progressive weird people, in Japan and in the west. If you are conservative/right-wing then you would have never fit in with the lolita crowd, not in the west, not in Japan, not now and not before the 2000s.

Lolita fashion is not modest. It covers a lot of skin but that's not all there is to modesty. Lolita fashion stands out/looks strange/outlandish to normal people, so is therefore not modest. If you want to look modest wear something else.

>>10897756
>claims to be normal
>posting here

you have autism sorry to tell you

>>10897746
The idea of a conservative trad wife wearing lolita is ridiculous, although I did used to be lj friends with a lolita who turned out to have a nazee bf, and got a whole closet of AP with daddy's credit card.

>>10897761
"The term modest fashion or modest dressing refers to a fashion trend in women of wearing less skin-revealing clothes, especially in a way that satisfies their spiritual and stylistic requirements for reasons of faith, religion or personal preference."

Lolita is modest, it does not show tons of skin, stop trying to argue against everything people are saying, you're not going to "always be right". Lmfao. The hijab lolita's would completely disagree with your bullshit.

>>10897763
Literally no one said that.

>>10897761
>If you are conservative/right-wing then you would have never fit in with the lolita crowd, not in the west, not in Japan, not now and not before the 2000s.

Not true, there are plenty of centrist/moderate lolita's not everyone is a lunatic lefty politically who's involved in Lolita. Also, never said I myself was conservative, I'm in the middle, I hate both sides equally in terms of extreme politics. Also if you think JP lolita's are left, boy I got some news for you.

>>10897762
*uno reverse card*

>>10897759
>They were just better because there no excessively woke people.

I miss these days. You could at least show up to a meet without being afraid of seeing a 60+ year old french man in a wig smelling like body odor.

>>10897759
>Nayrt but there were definitely unhinged weebs in lolita communities in the west in the 2000s. And generally people who didn't seem to understand social norms, or had poor control over their emotions and behavior which they would sometimes excuse with "borderline personality disorder " .

Yea, and when they would show up to com meetups, guess what, they were usually ignored and excluded. Why? Because people could easily tell they'd easily start issues, or be a burden to the group. I remember this girl who attended a meet in 2015 to one of the Indy coms, she was completely new to the fashion and didn't have a proper jsk/OP, only a short ass skirt and way too small blouse. She showed up and so did one other (actually well dressed) person, me and the other girl basically ignored her the entire time because it was clear she was a socially awkward weeb. She never attended another meet after that or rather that I can recall. All you got to do is act like those people don't exist when they show up, and they'll get the message they aren't welcome. And that goes for not just weebs but really badly dressed ita's.

>>10897536
Not to mention spreading the idea that clown lolita is a thing.

>>10897771
At least it just shows everyone who the walking red flags are and who to stay away from

>>10897747
What do you define as a “target audience”? Some Japanese businesses wont even sell to you if your a foreigner, especially if your American. The picture I mentioned was taken in 1971, so WW2 was only about 25 years ago. If we were to erase european and American fashion from history, then japanese fashion wouldn’t even exist.

>>10897740
Oh. No wonder she was so hellbent on keeping the chains even though everyone was telling her they didn't go.

>>10897740
Pretty sure that's what the thread picture is

>>10897689
So nobody's going to explain what's going on with her arms? Is it like a Dr Pimple Popper type of case?

>>10897773
Target audience means intended to be sold to. Lolita clothes in the 70s were not intended to be sold to westerners even if they were used as models. Like you said in this post even now lots of businesses dont sell to foreigners. Lolita fashion is inspired from western fashion but its still not and was never marketed to us until we found it and started showing demand

>>10897776
No that's the one which was posted in bsolf

>>10897765
hijab lolitas are breaking their own rulebook to begin with. The quran states that not only should specific areas be covered and silhouette concealed, the way in which a person dresses should never be flashy. But we also know that people choose which rules to follow and which they ignore (aka cherry picking). Most hijabi lolitas (most of whom are from Malaysia) do show some of their silhouette when they wear lolita dresses that hug the waist or have a high waist. Some wear trousers under their dresses, some do not. Even if we forget the "do not dress flashy" part of muslim modesty, none of the hijabi lolitas I've ever seen fully conceal their body shape like the quran asks. So using hijabi lolitas as an example of modesty is strange since they break the rules of their own religious texts. You might argue that their culture allows them these freedoms even if the quran doesn't. But then we get to the point where you either have to pick between "modest dressing has one specific definition" and "modest dressing has many interpretations. If you pick the latter then you cannot say my definition of modest dressing is wrong.

The biblical dresscode for women also prohibits flashy clothes. I wouldn't be surprised if all religious text that have a dresscode for women prohibit flashy clothes.

If covered up is all you need to be modest, will a skin tight catsuit be?

>>10897766
I mentioned it because it's a funny thing to imagine

>>10897767
I said conservative/right-wing, not "centrist/moderate". Without a doubt there are lolitas inside and outside of japan that consider themselves centrist/moderate, and I myself don't consider myself far left. You're just moving goal posts now or you just don't know what the terms mean. Depending on which area your local comm is only a few lolitas, or maybe none at all, might be excessive woke.

And yeah, most jp lolitas were progressive and still are. If you think they're not either look up the definition of progressive or wipe the mud from your eyes.

Calling yourself centrist/moderate is also cowardice or stupidity. It just means you want to either hide the fact that you're conservative/right-wing, or if you're serious it just means you don't know enough about politics to take a stance and you think calling yourself a centrist/moderate will shield you from criticism, or you're a sociopath who doesn't take a stance on human rights. Moderate right-wing/conservative is still right-wing/conservative, moderate left is still left, no-one can truly be neutral politically unless they have no opinions about anything (complete apathy).

>>10897765
Modesty also refers to dressing plainly, not wearing things decorative, fancy or showy. It's less of a thing now but people who have real trad values would consider lolita frivolous and vain

>>10897769
The mods didn't even think of letting these guys in, I miss those days.

>>10897770
it kind of sucked if your comm mods were crazy themselves. My old comm went through some leadership changes. The first mod (it was just one person modding a tiny group) turned out to be unhinged and posted pictures of comm members to drama sites. A few older members kicked her out and took over. And they didn't just immediately kick unhinged weebs out for being unhinged weebs, they only did that when they had broken the rules many times and every-one just had enough. Another problem was that, in a comm with a lot of teens, a lot of them would be unhinged weebs and the oldest members (who were early 20s) had to play den mother. We had a tiny comm in the beginning and I think the mods just wanted everyone to get along no matter what. My old comm would never just ignore someone just because they wanted them out though, that was considered far too rude. And it still is. If you ignore someone in my current local comm, even if they're an ita or don't know how to behave, you're the one getting into trouble and not them.

>>10897773
nayrt, target audience just means target demographic. "A Target Demographic is the observable or measurable characteristics of a business's target customers." aka who is (insert brand here) thinking about when creating their products/who are they making it for.
American occupation of Japan influenced japanese culture and caused the birth of harajuku fashion, but this does not mean japanese brands using western models means they are making their products for a western audience. Take btssb for example, their target demographic is asian women. They might make products that non asian women can also use and fit into, but they're not thinking about anyone outside of their target demographic when making items (obvious exceptions apply, such as products specifically produced for their paris and US stores).

>>10897788
exactly, but that gets conveniently ignored.

>>10897768
i know i'm autistic. i'm in the autistic dress hobby. i'm saying it's delusional to think anyone invested enough in lolita to be posting here is normal.

>>10897786
nayrt but that's literally not what moderate/centrist means.
It doesn't mean being in the middle on every single political issue ever. It means you hover near the CENTER of the political compass.
It means that you agree with the left on some issues, and the right on other issues. You might be in the middle on some issues, sure, but being in the middle on most of or all issues is not what being centrist means. Someone who supports BLM and gay marriage but is pro-life and supports lower taxation of the rich? Centrist. The former two are left-wing stances, and the latter two are right-wing stances. Sorry that not everyone completely agrees with one group 100% of the time and your brain can't handle that.

>>10897683
>unable to say fuck
>using the phrase delulu unironically
>doesn't know how to spell words like comm and macaron or how to usse apostrophes
Lemme guess, you're about 16 years old.

>>10897800
*use

>>10897799
The original definition of moderate (politically) means to reject extreme/radical views. In practice that covers about 95% of people if not more. That is not the way that term is used by regular people though, and the fact that you don't know that means that you're not knowledgeable about politics to school others to begin with. The same goes for centrist.

Getting off topic now.
Post more itas

>>10897683
>eat our macrons in peace
i'm telling the french

nice false flag though

>>10897812
>inb4 itas start saying this isn't ita

>>10897542
>Fidel David
Wow, that is a name I haven’t seen here in a LOOONG time

>>10897782
She posted the same exact picture to both lol

>>10897783
>If covered up is all you need to be modest, will a skin tight catsuit be?

Lolita fashion ≠ skin tight catsuit, next!

>>10897788
This definition was taken from a dictionary, unless you're saying the dictionary is incorrect I think your wrong. Kek.

>>10897822
you're* (istg i'm too tired for this shit)

>>10897812
Thanks, I hate it.

>>10897822
>>10897821
Are you retarded?

>>10897786
>Calling yourself centrist/moderate is also cowardice or stupidity

No it just means it gives people no fuel to attack one another and nitpick over whatever you could possibly believe in or whoever's side you're on. Must be an insane concept that someone might not want to be involved in politics in 2024. Wow! Not all of us sit around biting our nails watching Fox News or CNN or MSNBC. We have actual lives, you know.

>>10897825
No, but I'm pretty sure you are. Go petition to get the definition changed if you're so pressed.

>>10897827
Did anyone ever tell you that things can have multiple meanings? Especially something as broad as "dressing modestly."

Anyone remember Pixielocks and her DID phase where she claimed to have like 100 alters or something, and also Jemma Mae who shaved her head and went through something similar.

>>10897828
Love it when someone uses several religious texts to try to argue a point, makes you seen even less coherent. Next you're going to tell me the end is neigh and to repent.

>>10897831
Are you being obtuse on purpose? Caring about dressing modestly mostly comes from religious values and it's pious religious people who give a shit about this, so obviously this is where you'd most see it talked about? I'm not religious or telling you to be religious.

"Dressing modestly" and "modest fashion" are not some special exclusive rigid terms, they are combinations of multiple words that can describe things. If you want to be an autist about definitions this is the dictionary definition of modest for you. Lolita might cover up skin but its certainly not unassuming or humble. Modesty (in the sense of being humble and unassuming, not just sexual modesty) is considered a virtue in multiple religions and traditions, and a lot of them look down on fancy attention-grabbing dressing as immoral and immodest.

"Quick! The hijabi lolita is wearing a dress that barely shows her ankles! Stone her for dressing un-modestly! Look at how much skin can be seen! If she's not wearing a burqa, then she's going against the Quran!"

Real talk, this coord shows no skin at all whatsoever, is very modest in terms of SHOWING SKIN. And considering there are several different definitions of the term modesty, one isn't more correct than the other.

>>10897834
>Modesty (in the sense of being humble and unassuming, not just sexual modesty) is considered a virtue in multiple religions and traditions, and a lot of them look down on fancy attention-grabbing dressing as immoral and immodest.

I love how this fighting has devolved into arguing over religions as though you're going to convince me, someone who isn't part of a single religious group that you're somehow morally superior or right. All I did was made a simple statement about hijabi lolita's and you flew off the handle bars. Entertaining.

>>10897836
Superior or right about what? I'm just trying to tell you this definition of modesty exists and religious tradtards care about it. Go to bed nonny, it sounds like you need the sleep.

>>10897837
This has been the way the fashion has been described for years... baka, tell me you're new without telling me you're new.

>>10897837
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKg8kl_fFuk

>>10897837
https://youtu.be/lq91Zu3BhVs?si=0C8BnPwFTrZ7CN7p

this thread reeks of highschooler

>>10897841
More like ita's and people who have no idea what they're talking about

>>10897838
Lolita is modest in the sense that it covers skin.
Lolita is not modest in the sense that it's showy and attention grabbing.
Super pious religious people would look down on lolita for being showy and attention grabbing and wouldn't actually give it a pass just because it covers skin.
Do you understand yet? It's really not complicated.

>>10897845
You expext a religious person that follows a religion where women get stoned for being gay, girls need to cover up so men don't rape them and if they do, the girls have to marry them in order to preserve the 'family honor' or else they are killed, to recognise they are mere fucktoys and mothers to their fellow religious men and dressing modest always means being as invisible as possible? I envy you for your optimism. Don't argue with religious women, they love their oppression, don't argue with religious men, they will kill you.

>>10897838
>other internet people share my incorrect opinion, therefore it’s correct

>>10897831
THE END IS NEIGH! SAVE US, HORSE JESUS!

>>10897848
I have a Muslim coworker. Not every person is as radicalized as what you see on al-jazeera TV.

Even in the same religion, people have different ways of practicing faith, varying backgrounds and level of personal growth. Blanket statements like the last sentence in your post are harmful. Actually, i'm pretty sure you're a scrote after reading your post a few times. If you're not then seriously cool it with the misogyny

>>10897858
>caping for misogynistic abrahamic religions
gross

>>10897848
>to recognise they are mere fucktoys and mothers
Sounds nice if he's hot though. Do you enjoy being unhappy?

>>10897848
Nayrt, but jfc, are you trying to not understand the point being made? Lolita is modest in terms of skin coverage, lolita isn't modest in terms of how much it stands out. This isn't trying to win you over to a religion, or defending people who are religious, it's just pointing out different ways something can be modest or not. That lolita fashion has been described as modest by some people doesn't negate that since people use their own personal definitions of modesty.

>>10897864
>That lolita fashion has been described as modest by some people doesn't negate that since people use their own personal definitions of modesty.

This is the point so many people have tried to make this entire time.

>>10897701
not ita you’re just weird

>>10897865
yes, and I've been one of the people trying to make it, because there's been one person claiming that modesty only means the amount of skin covered and no other meaning is valid or relevant.
Calling lolita modest doesn't bother me, but people have to be open to opinions that say that it isn't modest to them or to some other definition of modesty.

>>10897829
I like to watch pixies videos from time to time, her videos always give cozy vibes. I do believe that she has DID considering the fact that she had been talking about mental health topics for longer then tik tok ever existed. She has about 7 alters I believe, but I don’t usually like to watch her mental health videos. I’m similar with Jemma, but her situation still confuses me. For a short period of time she identified as non binary and one of the first people to do it from what I recall, it definitely didn’t feel like her it was really weird.

>>10897869
Nayrt but I’ve never considered lolita modest in any form of the word. Even In terms of covering the skin, compared to the average woman lolita is on a similar level of covering. But of course that’s not counting bloomers and extra layers. Your really not seeing women dress super slutty unless your living in Atlanta or some other big city.

>>10897889
if you think any DID youtuber has DID i have a bridge to sell you.

>>10897889
Nice bait mate

>>10897895
I never thought of it as modest before someone else mentioned it. When I am not wearing lolita I'm usually wearing jeans and a long sleeve shirt or a t-shirt. I consider those mainstream timeless casual basics, and never thought about how modest or immodest those were. I wear those because they're practical, reasonably comfortable, can be worn for a wide range of activities, are timeless (so they don't go out of style, and you can wear them until they wear out) and don't draw attention. I don't wear them because of the amount of skin it covers or reveals.
I show slightly more skin when wearing lolita (there's always a gap between my socks and bloomers). So when someone describes lolita as modest, I am wondering "modest compared to what?". I also think the motivation/reasons behind "modest fashion/modest dressing" is usually different from the reasons we wear lolita and the reasons we wear a pair of jeans and a long sleeved shirt.

So why even describe lolita as modest to begin with? Is it to fish for approval from the non-lolitas we're explaining the fashion to?

>>10897683
Lolita has always been, at minimum, antisocial, with the ideal lolita being closer to Jean des Esseintes than a productive member of society. Toxic gossipping, shopping addictions, and all other species of bull shit can be involved with joining a comm. Men tend to tolerate it as a hobby.

>>10897917

the shoes, the gaunt fursuit cheekbones, the strange collar

>>10897938
This has already been posted, scroll up in the thread

>>10897936
Did you misunderstand me or am I being trolled lol.
To clarify I don't find lolita to be immodest. There's just almost no difference between the amount of skin on show between jeans+shirt and lolita. I never thought of the former as modest or immodest (just normal, basic, standard), so I didn't think of lolita as modest or immodest. Modesty, as a term, wasn't a word I would have thought to use to describe lolita since it didn't differ that much from the amount of skin on show when wearing jeans+shirt.
So if someone describes lolita as modest, what do they consider normal? What are they comparing it with? Why did they consider using the word modest to describe lolita?

Also socks over tights looks weird. Why even wear it that way?

>>10897858
I'm a woman, not a disgusting moid, nice try. And shitting on women who celebrate their oppression and think women are worth less than men, deserve less than men, exist solemnly to breed and stay at home and are as braindead as the men who built this bullshit in the first place is the only way to face them. We should not accept misogyny, from no one, not you, not other women.

Stop accepting misogynistic bullshit like 'lolitas in pants from Malaysia are so rori uwu' since they get what, murdered? raped? jailed? if they wore something tight. Lolita is a feminist fashion that dresses for women, not for the sake of staying halal to your fellow religious sheep.

>>10897941
No one agrees with your hot take. Also different substyles could categorized as more or less modest considering your own definition. I'm going to make the assumption you're a sweetfag. A lot of gothic coords and classic coords could be considered modest/toned down enough to not be insanely eye-catching or over the top.

>>10897944
I don't understand what the hot take is, what don't you understand about "modest or immodest aren't words I would have thought to use to describe lolita fashion since it basically shows no more or less skin than I usually do when wearing mainstream fashion"?

>>10897945
>>10897944

Post ita's or stfu

>>10897946
that's what I would say if I was >>10897944
and just realized how stupid I was and didn't have a comeback.

>>10897951
Are those dreads?

>>10897945
anon, don't even bother, arguing with someone like that is like talking to a wall. i really admire your patience and eloquence though.

>>10897676
Nta but sure
In sweet. If you're like me and want to wear sheglit, old moitie, MM, IW, and VM though? Its not made for plus size. Especially for people who prefer OPs. Tip my boulder-shoulders. It's the sad truth. A lot of indie brands that do cater to plus size are ugly as sin or kind of shit quality.

>>10897756
Nta but idk what to tell you, I can't de-autismify myself, I just like pretty dresses

>>10897767
In the culture of conformation jp lolitas are absolutely ideologically "left" of what is normal, japan is just hyper conservative. Keep in mind while yes the claiming mental illness and gender shit is new, being "woke" isnt: it was just defined differently. People used to be what would now be considered "woke" for not wanting to pump chemicals into waterways and smoking weed. Or for not wanting war.
Sure, you can argue it's more reasonable, but a lot of people only held those views for the optics, just like most lolitas now imo. I don't think a majority of people (let alone lolitas) really give a fuck about gender shit, they just respect it because they don't care enough to get into an argument about something that is at most just an annoying person they can socially distance from.

>>10897841
The ita threads have always been like that

why's it always fat mentally ill people wearing this shit. I don't get the connection

>>10897521
skizo fetishist, posting about her getting of to "dollification" on reddit. u can see the mental ilness in her dead eyes

>>10897996
Nta but this one is particularly heinous. Between the warosu archives dump at the beginning and the continuous sperging about all kinds of bullshit, it smacks of skinny malnourished newfags.

>>10897523
Is this the person who posted on Reddit about their dollification fetish? Eww

>>10897554
Lots of these are from the 00s though

>>10897951
She's so cute! I love when older women still dress to show of their individuality.

>>10897671
no, just ignore the body shamer, it sounds like fetishizer bullshit. learn what works for your body type.

>>10897998
It's not; this thread is designed to showcase the worst of the worst. That's why it's the "ita" thread.

>>10897611
I’m almost certain it’s a matching set, so she didn’t even have to do the work of finding pinks that go together.

>>10897986
there are multiple MM dresses with a 98-100cm bust anon, the official measurements just never accounted for shirring. you're right for unshirred pieces, but most shirred pieces fit that range. it's funny when newfags who don't actually own any MM tout it as an anachan brand.

>>10897584
I've seen worse coord-wise honestly, but god they do look greasy. I pity the well-dressed girls to have to stand that gross troon tho.

>>10897531
Can you post more japanese itas?

>>10897693
Not to mention pastel afro wigs were trendy for OTT sweet. Afro puffs look great in lolita imo.

>>10898018
Cope and seethe, the majority of lolita dresses will never look good on plus size body types.

>>10898027
nayrt, but even with the shirring, the proportions are wrong and they'll be busting out of it and stretching the seams. they can fit the poppy ribbon op, and emira jsk, among others, but it won't be comfortable and it might damage the piece. it's not an ananchan brand but it's not made for people super tall or particularly large. i can't tell you how many times i've bought from someone to find they've stretched or damaged a piece without even realizing it. it's so commonplace now. i feel bad even mentioning it in feedback now since it's just the norm.

with regards to >>10897986's point, i'm not even plus size (actual ""anachan"" here ) but the shoulders will feel tight on me on various older classic OPs. it's just how it is when you're much taller than the average japanese person. you just have to find what works for you; i'd much rather find things that flatter me than try to fit into something that doesn't work.

>>10898038
kind of sounds like you're just trying to cope with finding out your burando is plus friendly by asian standards.

the jokes write themselves

>>10898039
it's not cope, it's just fact? i've known that for years

>>10898040
Lmao it’s okay to experiment with j-fashion, but when your still calling your outfits “Lolita” even when there so clearly experimental is when you look stupid.

>>10898040
unreal how many people equate "objectively shit taste" (like vinyl fetish boots with a pink dress) with making a legitimate beginner's mistake like maybe your shades of white don't match or w/e. the latter is completely forgivable as part of the learning process. but this kind of ugly-ass fetish shit is 100% intentional

>>10897635
this is cute

Pic stolen from the sub-reddit. Person insinuates that lolita is racist because she's "never seen" any other lolitas with her exact skin tone (why does this even matter?). Most embarrassing behavior.

>>10897554
My lolita conspiracy theory is that the fashion died when the Japanese secondhand market dried up. If newer lolitas see brand for $500+ secondhand, they'll just take the easy route and run to taobao instead. They'll never develop a sense for quality/style because taobao is all varying amounts of tacky. New releases aren't much better since they are all becoming more expensive but worse quality. I'll admit that if I was starting the fashion in 2024, I probably wouldn't start at all.

>>10898056
maybe it's just me but I don't interpret this as her insinuating lolita is racist, just that she feels out of place since she has not found anyone else with her skin color in the community. She just seems insecure. But I haven't found the post.

>>10898056
Odd, I see brownlitas a the time on insta..they just filter the shit out of their photos

>>10898056
the skin tone doesn't even matter. just look cute.

>>10898056
I somewhat feel bad for this Reddit OP. Her post history reeks of insecurity about her appearance and inability to find love. But at the same time, her behaviour is frustrating when instead of responding to those comments which do list out multiple Instagram accounts of brown lolitas, she'd rather continue preaching her narrow world view.

>>10898092
Depression 101. When you’re in the midst of it basically everyone with depression only looks at things that confirm their feelings. It really can’t be helped without therapy/working on it, and it takes time/effort to even get to the place where you even have the self awareness to work on it

>>10897699
I would risk it all for him

>>10898056
The jp secondhand market died? I mean I’m sure it used to be better but you can still find a lot of stuff at okay prices. I started at the beginning of this year and get basically everything secondhand

>>10898110
>a lot of stuff at okay prices
I'm curious to know what items you're looking at, and what you consider an "okay" price.
Prices of things I bought secondhand have doubled, tripled, or even more. And there's only a trickle of items secondhand now too. I guess if you have nothing to compare it to, it might not seem bad, but it's definitely not at all what it used to be.

>>10898119
I mean it depends on the item and its condition it's hard to really give an all encompassing answer, but I'd consider "okay" to be noticeably lower than what buying new would be. I always assumed lolita would be prohibitively expensive to get good stuff and was surprised it was more affordable than I thought it would be. A lot of sweet prints seem ridiculously expensive yeah but it's not what I buy so I ignore them. I do find get the trickle of items though, some things are frustratingly hard to find.

>>10898040
street walker kei

>>10898110
Nta but I think death of the jp secondhand market might be referring to the fact that everyone knows about it now and there’s at least 6-10 active profiles on LM that literally do nothing but resell poached items from jp at a massive mark up.

>>10897756
>normal
>gull

pick one, you can’t be both

>>10898056
> the fashion died when the Japanese secondhand market dried up.
I call BS. I literally just ordered from mercari.jp and found 20+ year old items for under $50 bucks. Just because Milky Planet isn’t 100 dollars anymore doesn’t mean that the market dried up.

>>10898171
Yahoo Auctions and Mbok used to be full of super cheap brand, including Moitie. The best time for buying was the early to mid 2010s.

>>10898172
It doesn’t help that your mentioning sites that are known for scalpers. And gothic lolita was going through an unpopular phase (at least in the west) during that time so of course it was worthless. If you want more mmm pieces, just wait some time until you find good deals.

>>10898171
Do you have recommendations for search terms to find old stuff

>>10898187
I’ve actually been meaning to make a search term list for convenience, so thank you for reminding me.

PINK HOUSE: https://jp.mercari.com/search?status=on_sale&price_max=7000&brand_id=2279&price_min=300

BTSSB: https://jp.mercari.com/search?status=on_sale&price_max=7000&brand_id=3897&price_min=300

Meta: https://jp.mercari.com/search?price_max=7000&status=on_sale&brand_id=1223&price_min=300

Pink House is a good brand if you’re looking for items from the 80s - late 90s, since it isn’t popular like AP or btssb. I have the price range set to 7k max but you can adjust it.

>>10898171
>20+ year old items for under $50 bucks
Please share what you bought, anon.
AP rings are at least $30-50 now, when they used to be $5. It's the end days for being a sweet brand-lita.

>>10898209
Not her but I assume she means old school pieces, not sweet, which you can still find for quite cheap if you know how to look. Also yeah I never see AP jewelry for that cheap anymore but prices going up doesn’t mean the market is dead. You can still find old rings for $20 and necklaces and bracelets for $30-40, which is not terrible. It’s around what retail was when those items were released. Also literally everything including all secondhand items is more expensive than it was in 2015, not just lolita. Yet people are still buying knickknacks, clothing, video games, etc, just like they always did.

Also if you think the prices are so high just buy directly from AP. If you can’t afford retail it’s not truly “over” for being a sweet lolita, you were never lolita brands’ target audience in the first place. It was over for you from the start. When people stop buying directly from brands, that’s when lolita is actually dead. And I honestly think new AP is cheaper than it’s been in years because of the exchange rate. The quality is worse though.

Also trends affect prices, I remember when ETC dresses you can get for $20 now used to sell for $200-300 secondhand. You rarely see anyone wearing ETC nowadays anyways too.

>>10897521
now it's complaining on reddit about muhhh 4chan. maybe dont post ur weird fetish, we are tired about being tied to sissies and other disgusting coomers

>>10898206
here's my complete list of "brand ID"s for Mercari JP
AP: 188
BTSSB: 3897
Meta: 1223
IW: 4046
VM: 4455
AatP: 154
ETC: 350
JM: 630
non lolita brands also
Dear Mylove: 9905
Lizlisa: 1292
Pink House: 2279
so substituting diff brand IDs for the URL will bring everything tagged as that :33

>>10898278
Lol she also went back and deleted the posts containing photos that were posted here

>>10898278
I wonder if she's already figured out that you can see all her fetish posts just by clicking on her Reddit username

>>10898282
or you can just filter by brand? what is this retardation.

>>10898175
I also got classic and sweet pieces during that time for super cheap. I feel like there were less resellers snatching up the good buys then.

fuck why are all these people fat? It's not hard to not be a fucking lardball but jesus christ these faggots can't manage not eating ho-hos for breakfast.

FUCK I HATE FAT PEOPLE

>>10898040
Only a pretty girl could pull this off, not her

Reddit ita finds cgl

>>10898469
we dont care

>>10898469
I love how most of the comments are shutting her down and telling her to grow a pair.

>>10898447
Nayrt but Mercari.jp can be kinda confusing if you haven’t memorized the Japanese characters yet, so I find this more easy. Just edit the website link and remove the current brand ID.

>>10898245
Thank you for pointing out the fact that when people stop buying directly from brands is when lolita is actually dead. Japanese lolitas are the only ones that try to keep buying directly from jp brands, and that support contributes to things like Sizing, Colors, Print Themes, and sometimes even Quality to. And that perfectly ties in to why lots of jp brands still don’t offer plus sizes, Westerners are the ones showing demand for plus size but never buy directly from brands when they do.

>>10898475
Yea even AtePie has extensively explained why they can barely offer plus sizes and how it loses them money. Yet fatties can't wrap their sausage fingers around that fact.

>>10898477
every time I see that shorthand "AtePie" my brain goes like "what kind of pie did she eat" (or in some cases, how many pies did she eat...)

>>10898482
This ita needs to take the money she spends on tacky indie bs and invest in something for her edema

>>10898482
Original Photo Link?

>>10897535
nitpick, she’s the best dressed in the thread so far, just fat

>>10898482
Needs to join the Ozempic gang asap.

>>10898487
Unsuitable hair style, low quality pieces, the shoes that belong on a 5yo girl celebrating christmas in the 80s, her almost busting out of that dress that also isn't supposed to sit that high (she obviously does not fit it), the upside down wrist cuffs, her stretching out the lace on those socks to the max.
Yeah, just nit picks.

>>10898489
> the shoes that belong on a 5yo girl celebrating christmas in the 80s
Nayrt but is this supposed to be an insult? Mary Janes are superior

>>10898497
I have nothing against mary janes in general and own quite a lot of them myself, but all of them are lolita appropriate. I have something against these shoes >>10897535 in particular. The shiny/patent t-strap shoes rarely work with lolita, especially if they're flats or short heels. You're welcome to provide pictures in which they do though.

>>10897668
all you have to do is not be obese or over 5'4, really

>>10898503
Ayrt and the shoes would work better if they were higher quality and didn’t clash with her sweet dress, looks like baby’s first coord to me.

>>10897581
Even if it’s the ita thread, I think we should at least have a limit of photos only 1 month old or newer. The board is already shit, the least we can do is have new images for each thread. Sounds appropriate to me.

>>10898469

special snowflake chains-ita is the one who started that one reddit thread, she got called out for her bullshit and legit still didn't want to take concrit

>>10898448
this is about the worst fucking thing I've seen

>>10897812
Why is this ita though? Is it the ears, slightly mismatched whites at points and weird oversized bow and hearts? The pieces don't seem bad quality at least.

>>10898467
ya it's called gyaru kek.

>>10898552
Did you come over from r/lolita to ask this?

>>10898448
usually with itas i can at least get an idea of what they were going for but this is just baffling. the mini skirt(?), the clown snow boots. too much to unpack

>>10898559
i mean look at the caption. anyone calling something proto is going to have the worst coord ever.

>>10898532
furries calling out special-itas was not on my bingo card today

>>10897541
this one's so charming (except for those atrocious tights)

>>10898557
yes I did but I'm asking sincerely? like i don't want to stir shit up, just refine my ita detection knowledge

>>10898578
Nayrt but the bow is way too fucking big and looks weird. Could have used longer bloomers to break up some of the red in the tights. It's cute otherwise, but the pattern/color of the dress is ugly so she was starting at a deficit anyway. It's not ita.

>>10898477
coming back to this board really reminds me of the days I also used to just lie about random shit that was not actually true in the ita thread

>>10897996
seconding this. I think ita threads are the ones with the most larpers. They can shit talk other people without having ever owned a single lolita piece.

>>10898596
ty!

>>10898597
nayrt, but this was in the r/lolita "ask me anything" post by Atelier Pierrot's staff. Meta also did a video in which they explained why some pieces just cannot be made plus sized in a way that is financially feasible for them.
>>10898477 is right.

>>10898532

>>10898552
ayrt but here's why I think it goes into ita territory; low quality lace on the dress and socks, the shoes don't go with the style of the coord and their suitability for lolita is questionable anyway, the practice of wearing socks over tights, that fact that the tights are just one big solid block of red, the bow on the chest is too big, the bear headdress and bear bag go together but there's nothing that ties them in with the rest of the outfit, and whatever that is she's wearing under the dress doesn't look like proper bloomers or anything else I recognize.

She should try again with actual lolita appropriate shoes, a long sleeved blouse, solid color knee socks with decent quality lace trim, good bloomers, remove the bow on the bust if possible, a simple solid color pleather/leather bag in a color that suits the rest of the coord, remove the bear headdress so we can actually see the plaid head bow she's wearing that matches the dress. It's no guarantee it will be a good outfit (the dress material quality and colors itself are difficult or impossible to make it look good) but it will be better.

>>10898614
That’s mental gymnastics for saying:
> Remove cow piercings
> Remove the god awful red tights
> Wear a long sleeved blouse or anything to cover her awful tattoos
> Wear less makeup

>>10898614
>>10898644

thank you so much, that was instructive and makes sense!

>>10898644
ayrt, please don't put words into my mouth. I don't mind the nose piercings or the make-up and I did not I say she should remove those. I think those tattoos are tacky though.

The bonnet + the poorly made "vampire" maid "lolita" dress from aliexpress ...honey this aint it

>>10898469
She's probably posting in here.

>>10898698
No doubt she's been looking through the responses about her here. It seems that as of posting, her entire Reddit post history, including her kinkposting, has been scrubbed clean. If Reddit OOP is ever reading this. There's no place in Lolita for overly emotionally sensitive fetishists like you. If the community upsets you so much, kindly leave as it's not going to be for you.

>>10898037
the majority of lolita doesn’t fit plus size body types, that’s a given. i hope you aren’t a man.

>>10897951
I feel like this is more Mori Girl than lolita. She should try that

>>10898658
Eh this almost seems like a vendetta post. It’s not the best coord I’ve ever seen but it’s not what I’d take the time to post in the it’s thread either. Take your meds nonny.

>>10898861
You're why lolita is dying. The whole outfit looks cheap and poorly made.

>>10898658
>>10898861
Yeah, I've seen this dress on ebay/aliexpress and it's super cheap costume quality. I can't believe you think this isn't ita. It's literally marketed as cosplay. At only $32 you're lucky it isn't a paper sack.

>>10897998
because they think that somehow throwing on a "cute dress" with distract from their less than desirable appearance and make them somehow more approachable when all it does is gets them gawked at and made fun of even more because they look like shit.

>>10898487
Fat has always = ita are you new?

>>10898885
>make them somehow more approachable

nayrt but I don't think the large majority of lolitas, including the ugly and/or fat ones, are dressing to appear more approachable. If you know you're ugly and/or fat, and it has affected your self esteem negatively, then you probably don't want to draw more attention to yourself by dressing in a way that is so far off mainstream. Not only does it draw more attention to yourself, the contrast between cute clothes and an ugly body/face can make you look even worse. So if someone who is ugly and/or fat and they want to wear lolita, they either have to decide to not give a shit what anyone else thinks of them, or they have to figure out how to look better themselves (lose excess weight, learn to do makeup, find a flattering hair style, braces, etc).

My guess is fat and/or ugly lolitas just dress in lolita because they want to feel cute and they like the clothes. Of course if someone has a fat body and ugly face it doesn't matter how they dress, it's not going to make them look better than they are.
Dressing badly can make someone look worse though. Someone with good looks can elevate a "just okay" outfit, a good outfit can't make an ugly person look better than they are. Most people judge the whole picture without thinking about it. It usually takes a conscious decision to start only looking at the actual outfit (coording skills), the fit of the clothing and the styling, and not factor in someone's face or body shape/size.

This whole discussion has come up once in a while, and shows a different mindset amongst lolita. There are the ones that think of lolita as an aesthetic (a group of aesthetics) and therefore care about things like hair styles, body shape/size, makeup style, the fit of a garment, etc, and there are the ones that think of lolita as just clothes they put on their body.

>>10898886
Nice b8 m8

>>10898913
It's not bait if it's true

>>10898448
>>10898559
is it possible that half the things from old jfashion snaps that some people refer to as "proto-lolita" are closer to being proto-literally any other feminine jfashion with similar influences than the former? Feels a lot like normalfags thinking larme and fairy kei and so on are the same as lolita because there is some overlap, just this version confuses 90s styles for each other

>>10899026
Somehow the face looks AI generated

>>10899059
Probably just overedited

>>10897538
Oh my lord I just noticed the crocs

>>10897548
Name of the print?

>>10898001
do you happen to have her reddit username? i wanna see how horrid it actually gets

>>10899279
u/FriendlyFoxes90 but she scrubbed everything out

>>10899279
Check the farms too, iirc some was posted.

>>10899209
Fluffy Tori’s Rainbow Parade

>>10897540
This image gives me anxiety. I can't even focus on the coord with the weirdly high door handle, that crazy art piece, the dirty floors covered in hair ties and a pill bottle just chilling in frame

>>10898505
I'm 5' 6" and I still find a lot of pieces that I can wear modestly. As long as you dress for your height its fine. People can control their weight though not their height

>>10899026
Damn, angeleeku looking rough nowadays.

The comments on this post are insane... The amount of people lying to this girl kek

>>10899475
dunno, the comments tell her that it's not lolita but that for a casual outfit it's ok? she's also aware that it's ita and not lolita

>>10899475
This is bad for lolita but I find it kind of cute not gonna lie. The messy hair bothers me more than the stripes

>>10899475
b&w striped sock ita >>>> any other kind of ita

>>10899474
What's wrong with this besides fabric quality

It can be an okay outfit but a bad coord, and arguably it's a bad coord and retarded to be shared and applauded in lolita spaces

>>10899570
What's wrong with the fabric quality? Other than the cheap ass wrist cuffs, her main problem is that she doesn't understand how to balance colors at ALL

>>10899614
Pretty sure that's a moid

>>10899473
I adore the coord on the left sm..cutest thing I've seen in a minute.

>>10899618
do you have dysmorphia by any chance. this is clearly just a tall woman.

>>10899657
Ayrt and this is from the same Reddit OP. Those man brows are undeniable.

>>10899474
With navy shoes this would be fine. Very cute.

>>10899661
Nayrt but if you're going to grab a picture of them, at least grab one that you can actually see the brows in. there are plenty

>>10899673
she needs to try some makeup and personal grooming and dress better but stop troonfoiling, no man has legs shaped like that.

>>10899661
take your meds. if you can't recognise a tall woman from a man, you are a misogynist

>>10897771
There have been clown/circus themed prints and cords for a while. What is wrong with someone taking that further and making it more overtly clownish, as long as it doesn't look like shit? I guess you could argue it is not lolita, but a clown costume with lolita elements, but whatever.

>>10899818
This one hurts because it has so much potential

>>10899859
she just needs different shoes/socks/bag and this would be adorable. someone help her.

>>10899859
It kind of just feels like she's wearing it for comfort but will swap it out with other shoes when she gets to an event. That's really common. There's no way she planned a coord like that only to fumble the shoes

>>10899873
I honestly dont think so or she would have had a better bag.

>>10899892
With bangs, I wouldn't hate this. It's cute for a Halloween look.

Did the AP USA shop girl dress the AtePie mannequin?

>>10899878
Why didn't you start a new thread with this dump, dumbass? This thread is way into autosage.