/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10885543
I'm tempted to buy 2 jsks and have a seamstress frankenstein them together so it's a similar length as Petit Heart, the print is way more suited to a long cut imo. However I'm worried that it'll be too difficult of an alteration, or that the skirt will be too wide for that silhouette (plus I'd have to find someone who knows that they're doing).

Also the otks look shit, that fact that they're warping and stretching on the model means that there's no hope for me.

>>10885543
i'm looking at the jsk myself, but really on the fence. kind of want to see if anyone will end up selling their old version.

the sax is quite cute, i'm just not fully sold on the cut.

>>10885543
prefer the old version but might buy the sax or pink JSK

>>10885543
New cut makes me feel sad

>>10885620
Yeah..
The cut isn't as nice as the old JSK.
The lace isn't the same as before, and it isn't pink. Which was a beautiful touch to the white colorway.

The old KC is a lot nicer than the new one, the headbow is a similar style to the dreamy sky headbow.

The old OTKs had a undesirable style with the candy hearts being aligned vertically, wish they remade it with a new design the ribbon bows behind them were ok.

The new skirt is lazy af, I loved the old design.

do you think they'll rerealese the op cut?

>>10885543
I prefer the new headbow desu. The new cut is cute too, but the lace isn’t great, will get headbow in white and pink to match my originals and pass on everything else. I hope the colors are the same.

On top of getting Sugar Hearts first, Paris is also revealing a new print. I would laugh if AP JP steals the surprise again, like with Comic Toys.

>>10885731
Also featuring AP selling us their literal fabric scraps in ~iconic ribbon~ form. For 45 euros.

>>10885733
I don’t think they use fabric scraps for these. Comic Toys grosgrain wouldn’t work for a thin ribbon.

I wish they would spill already. I want to see if I should buy a plane ticket. Any idea what it could be?

>>10885753
They probably just sewed two strips together for the front and back? I don't think it would too hard.

>>10885765
>plane ticket
Nothing AP has released lately deserves a plane ticket.

>>10885557
Why don't you just try to lose weight ?

>>10885775
>similar length to Petit Heart
>length

>>10885733
I've been wanting ap to make twilly's for a while, I'm so glad they finally have them (the handles on my ap handbags love to scuff themselves). That price is funny though, it's close to the price of a whole tote bag, and it seems like the type of item they would give away as a lower spend novelty. I'm hoping they'll release them in Japan too, ¥4400 is less painful than €45.

>>10885778
>like the type of item they would give away as a lower spend novelty
I thought the exact same thing. I thought it was a novelty at first.

>>10885766
A narrow ribbon made of two strips of grosgrain sewn together would be way too stiff.

>>10885543
I prefer the old version, but the bodice on the new jsk is very cute, so I'll order a pink set.
I'd order the white, too, but the lace isn't pink like the original.

>>10885765
They revealed it's yet another RinRin tea party. Idk why they did the same event 2 years in a row

>>10886029
Cause she’s from California so it’s just a free trip home

>>10886029
I wonder why they are calling it mini anniversary tea party? Is it "let's throw our bastard stepchild a bone" the tea party?

>>10886045
yes

>>10886045
Yes. They can never get an actual japanese guest or designer so we're stuck with this LA girl shilling her merch two years in a row.

It's sus to me that they didn't even list the venue and are calling it a "mini" tea party. They had it at the same place for the last several years but they called it a tea party those times

>>10886095
they did list the venue on the ticket page. it's at dartealing lounge, same as the haenuli one.

I ordered the Miffy collab through a SS but the order fell through and I got a refund. Any way to get it now?

>>10886167
If someone sells theirs when the orders get shipped out

Paris is releasing Fancy Border as the "mystery print"

>>10886278
there's something off about it that i can't put my finger on

>>10886278
So it’ll be releasing in Jp next week then! Thanks for the heads up, Paris

>>10886286
The skirt looks overstuffed

>>10886286
>>10886289
I don't think it's that overstuffed, it just has that very bell-shaped cupcake skirt that Baby usually has. AP dresses are often more A-line

>>10886289
>>10886290

ayrt i don't think it's overstuffed either, i mean more it feels like somethings missing. the cut just looks extremely plain. it needs something, i don't know what.

>>10886290
>AP dresses are often more A-line
no they're not.

>>10886278
I wish it was cotton

Shinjuku limited lavender. Cute print but not liking the cuts and fabric choice. Also a matching intarsia knit sweater would’ve been so much better than that same bear ear parka from vintage toys and honey bears cafe.

>>10886853
I know its not the most creative design but the beret is really giving me Nile Perch vibes

>>10886853
This is so soooo exciting AP
thank you so soooo much, this is exactly what we needed to boost our morale
Let's give a awww round of applause everybody! Wo woohoooo

>>10886853
Instead of an all over print, an appliqué dress a la Nakayoshi Bunny using two of the Christmas animals pictured would have been better. The stripes and polka dots could still be on the fabric instead of houndstooth pattern or a solid color that AP tends to do with their appliqué dresses.

>>10887026
Ever heard about vintage pastel sweaters?

>>10886853
This would be even cuter if it was made in the type of heavy cotton fabric that Little Bears Cafe was made from, with similar pompom trim to match the sweater and winter theme.

>>10886432
Than baby? Yes they are

>>10886911
With this and the scraps ribbon my year is well and fully realised desu. Now I can sleep at night easily, filled with the joy AP brings to our lives.

>>10886911
>>10887217
Same, let's us rise!

https://youtu.be/sAXZbfLzJUg?si=5WMEnwogd_kM3xgm

>>10887152
NTA but no they're not actually. A-line skirts are cut differently, AP's aren't as gathered as Baby's but they're both cupcake. Less gathered doesn't mean more a-line, they're different cuts.

>>10887251
nobody said they *are* a-line, just that they're *more* a-line than baby's. learn to read

>>10887053
Nayrt, but just because that's what it's based on doesn't mean the execution looks as good as one. Obviously we can't have a knit dress, so a heavier material with appliques might be the next best thing.

>>10887400
>they're *more* a-line
>learn to read
>Less gathered doesn't mean more a-line
retard moment

Yeah so anyway, it’s Fancy Border of course!

I can’t decide if I want the lavender or sax jsk. The sax is the most “wintery” but I really like the mint accents on lavender. I noticed the sax sold out quickly on AP Paris so lav might be the easier cop. I wouldn’t want both, but I’ll probably also get the black if it’s still available in a few weeks

>>10887251
>>10887404
thank you. anon sounds like the idiot who thinks all lolita skirts are circle skirts or something.

>>10887407
I'm bothered by how flat the entire print looks. It reminds me of washed out stationary.

>>10887496
flat is exactly the word I'd use to describe what I find off about >>10886278. I like it but it doesn't 100% click with me

>>10887407
really lovely print, the cute flat looks reminds me of 80s sweaters :) wish it was cotton but oh well, the skirt in lavender and matching crew socks are going to be my first ap purchase straight from the store

the cardigan in the same set is also really adorable!

>>10887404
>>10887434
guess hybrid pettis and skirts that can hold either shape just don't exist anymore huh. there's a gradient of skirt shapes, things can be more a-line or more cupcake. maybe actually buy some lolita pieces before talking like you know anything

>>10887409
Ended up getting lav & black after all lol, among other things. Haven’t fullset-channed this hard in a while.

>>10887509
It’s “butcher”- style polyester which I’m pretty sure is the same fabric Unbirthday’s made from, and I love Unbirthday. It looks like linen but doesn’t crease horribly like linen. Bit sweaty tho

>>10887519
>guess hybrid pettis and skirts that can hold either shape just don't exist anymore huh.
literally no one said this.
>maybe actually buy some lolita pieces before talking like you know anything
lmao ok, "lolita at heart" larper-chan.

>>10887560
>hybrid pettis that can work for both a-line and cupcake shape exist. you know, as in, being a more a-line version of cupcake, or a more cupcake version of a-line
>oh but skirts like that? lmao as if
can you hear yourself

>>10887519
>>10887781
a-line is a different cut. why is this so hard? the pettis you're talking about aren't hybrid just an a-line petti. the reason they work for both is because the cupcake skirt has less gathers but that doesn't make it a-line it just means the petti doesn't look like shit with it

>>10887781
Anon, an a line skirt has to do with the way the fabric is cut, not just how it looks when it's done. the fabric is cut at an angle like an A / \ (hence the name). Whereas a cupcake skirt is cut as a rectangle and gathered at the waistline. (and also known as a rectangle skirt). The more or less gathered a cupcake/rectangle skirt is depends on the width of the rectangle. A rectangle/cupcake skirt with a more narrow width has less gathers and less volume and may APPEAR to be more a line, but is not cut the same way. Please listen to people who understand sewing. As >>10887788 said, a line pettis can work with a less gathered cupcake/rectangle skirt because there is volume at the waist for both cuts.

>>10887788
NTA but Me Likes Tea does sell things they call hybrid pettis, so I get why the other anon made that comment. It sounds like you're saying it all relates to the cut of the skirt, but there are def pettis that advertise themselves as working with all cuts. (Not saying they're right about that, I'm more curious about your comment than being disagreeable here.)

Here she is! Sugar Hearts MTO available at the online shop & in stores from 28~30th October.

>>10887980
melikestea isn't really a good example because they use a lot of terms they made up for marketing. right now they have something called a "hybrid poof monster" which has nothing to do with working for both styles of skirt. of course a slightly poofier a-line petti will work for a cupcake skirt with less volume, but anon is trying to argue it's because the skirts themselves are similar which isn't true. it relates to the VOLUME of the skirt more than anything, but a less gathered cupcake skirt isn't MORE a-line like anon was arguing, because a-line and cupcake are cut differently like >>10887791 said. anon was arguing that the look of how the skirt falls is the determining factor for the type of skirt it is when that's not the case at all. saying it LOOKS more a-line when it's cut like a cupcake skirt doesn't mean it IS a-line. i hope you understand what i was saying now. the type of petti you use isn't directly linked to the cut of the skirt because there are other factors involved like volume. i couldn't use the same skirts for Baby as i do for my AP because some Baby skirts are almost twice the volume as some AP even though both are cupcake cuts. that doesn't mean one is less cupcake than the other, just that one has less volume, because the style of skirt is determined by the cut, not the end result. (sorry for rambling i just want people to know the difference so newbies don't get confused and argue).

>>10888096
No apology needed, that was very informative. thanks!

Is anyone else having a hard time ordering Sugar Hearts in multiple colourways online? I tried to order black & white sets but it wouldn't let me check out with two jsks, so I just ordered the white set thinking I could make a second order for the black. Now it's telling me I've "already purchased [Sugar Hearts jsk]" and I still can't check out. I can buy as many headbows as I like though lmao. AP a shit

>>10887984
awful, and I say as a big lover of sweet lolita

Winter lookbook

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>10889791
Resembles their old tartan salopettes, but with all the charm sucked out of it.

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>>10889788
>lavender Sugar Decoration
let's go boys

>>10889793
It looks like the same cut as the Sprinkle Heart Tartan "jsks" which were weird but I really liked them. They've just been restocked on AP jp btw

This release is so disappointing... Not even a nice solid...

>>10889783
>>10889784
is it just me or do these look.... off?

>>10889786
Just one print?

>>10889787
This JSK is cute in navy, hopefully AP starts bringing back unique designs on the bustle again like this one.
>>10889786
This is wayy to similar to miracle candy that it’s making my brain hurt.
>>10889784
Like the satin bow motif on this dress, I just don’t know who the audience for this release would be.
>>10889783
God awful OP, it looks like they got kids stick glue and glued on all the bows. JSK is infinitely better.
>>10889792
Hate jirai kei and hope it dies soon so that AP stops making bland releases like this.

>>10889783
>>10889784
Shares the same gold text logo ribbon as the Pullip doll

>>10889786
Kinda cute. You'd think there'd be more accessories...
>>10889816
Miracle Candy 2.0
>>10889787
I'd like to see this in pink, although I like the bottom of the OP's skirt more

>>10889822
I really can’t decide if I want the Pullip or not. I’m sick of Groove pushing the prices up and up into bjd territory for what are essentially mediocre fashion dolls with a gimmicky eye mechanism. I’ve been selling a lot of mine recently and I’m probably gonna sell my old AP Dals, but they still occasionally pique my interest with these collabs. She’s MTO so I don’t wanna have a hard time finding her in future. I’ll probably order her anyway and be disappointed~

>>10889816
>Hate jirai kei and hope it dies soon so that AP stops making bland releases like this.
It isn’t jirai-kei at all. The jsk is idol-inspired if anything, in fact it might as well be a Bunny College release. The sweater with the collar and frills is riffing off Heihei, Jennyfax etc - exaggerated retro silhouettes that have been trending for a few years now

>>10889785
i like the cardigan. the rest of this drop is trash.

>>10889786
>>10889787
Would like to see the OP in navy, navy x pink is an all time favorite of mine and I like the bodice of the JSK but agree with >>10889829 that the hem is nicer on the OP. I dunno, I want to love it but something is slightly off about the JSK. Maybe it'll grow on me.
The cardigan is cute and the rest looks... bad. I know it's been repeated to death but "cheap taobao" really did come to mind. >>10889783 is a mess and I'm begging them to stop whatever that other style they keep emulating is

>>10889836
> The jsk is idol-inspired if anything, in fact it might as well be a Bunny College release.
Are you retarded? I know almost nothing about idols (other then love live) but I know this looks nothing like what idols wear. Do you even know the brands your talking about look like? This looks nothing like heihei or jennyfax.

>>10889829
I’m a pretty big nu AP fan compared to most on cgl but Stop pretending this print isn’t a direct rip off of miracle candy or resembles any kind of good quality.

>>10889871
nta but it's definitely reminding me of idol airport fashion just more poofy/kawaii

>>10889871
literally the same elements as this heihei fit, just with different colors. beret, sweatshirt, plaid giant ruffled collar, plaid skirt. shitty vtubers with horrible singing voices in shitty reality defying costumes =/= idols either. are you stupid?

>>10889872
>stop pretending this print isn't a direct rip off of miracle candy
I literally implied it is? lol

>>10889883
meant sweatshirt as in the blouse and bulky coat giving a similar silhouette, btw

So I made a resolution at the beginning of the year to not buy any more new AP, partly because of disappointing releases and partly to focus my spending on other brands
But AP has been really testing me lately. I caved and went for the Sugar Hearts MTO (got skirt and headband in white). Magical Milk Cats and Fancy Border are also really appealing.

>>10889880
Wtf is wrong with her thumb? Shoop gone wrong?

>>10889785
true

>>10889792
I love this entire set it looks so cozy

>>10889783
Sorry if this is a newfag question but why is this girl featured in 99% AP photoshoots for years now? There's hardly ever any other models. Is she like the Misako of AP?

>>10890627
her parents are famous actors

>>10890627
She's the current "face" of AP because of trying to get new/different customers using a not-typically-lolita model and also >>10890630

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>>10890684
who are her parents?

i really don't like her as a model. she almost always looks bored and unhappy, and why do they so often pose her like curled up?? you can't see the dress if someone's all scrunched in on themself

Dolly Dot and Dreamy Dolce Ribbon MTOs

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>>10891360
i will never understand why we have an mto for this borderline taobao garbage

>>10889928
Brachydactyly type D is a thing and affects around 2% of the population

>>10891363
sissy ass dress

>>10891360
>>10891361
quality looks awful

>>10891360
>>10891362
I really though Dreamy Dolce Ribbon was gonna tank, but it sold well. Truly an awful dress to behold.

Dolly Dot is just 'alright'. I didn't think the <20k secondhand prices suggested much demand for it though

>>10891361
Wow I hate this. RIP

>>10891360
>>10891362
These legitimately look like $20 dresses.

>>10891373
I don't understand either. AP has such a wide pool to pick from, and they decide to use resources on this? What the hell.

>>10889788
i guess i like it in a "reminds me of the shitty plastic dress i wore for my 7th birthday party" kind of way

>>10891565
Sugar Decoration is good, actually (and also mainly cotton)

Really wish we didn't live in the timeline when AP keeps mindlessly re-releasing the most boring dresses ever.

I grew up seeing Angelic Pretty posts on social media during the 2010s sweet era and now that I'm an adult with spending money waiting to see what AP releases just sucks fucking ass. I just wish they'd release good shit like I used to see again. Fuck

>>10891712
>>10891719

this plain style is popular and on trend though, just look at BTSSB, Meta and even Lief releasing similar dresses

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>>10891712
"i don't personally like solids, so this actually cute and well constructed release is bad"

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>>10891745
I think some anons genuinely expect a cotton border print every week. I’m so tired of 2010 sweetfaggotry

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>>10891752
I actually like solids. The point was AP feels like it has zero originality now. They throw us a carrot every now and then, but for the most part, I barely see any excitement being generated by the weekly releases.

>>10891736
Yeah I know and compared to the shitty plastic dresses they just released it's fine and good and all I just wanted to say what I did and get it off my chest
There is a charm that i miss

>>10891736
We should have a BTSSB thread.
I've been growing fonder and fonder of them over the years. I used to be a strict APwhore but the tides are turning.

>captcha: P00084

>>10889789
This has already been released. Or are they just doing a new colorway?

>>10891813
there was one, but it wasn't very active.

>>10891752
its ironic considering most of the community (now) fails at this style period

>>10891424
$20 is giving them too much credit. It's more like $5 from Wish

>>10891752
>I think some anons genuinely expect a cotton border print every week
YES

Else I'm turning to the chinks for my daily fix of unicorn vomit.

>>10891736
"Popular"

>>10892055
> buying taobao for any reason

Pathetic.

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>>10892090
There were MTOs this week and the expensive 132000 yen Jewelry Ribbon dress the previous, so I was fully expecting something plain

>>10892055
Embarrassing

>>10892055
this is so insanely ugly. leave lolita.

>>10892196
Its so bad I would assume anyone wearing it was special needs.

>>10892196
I actually own the skirt of this print and I can confirm it looks 10x better irl. And the quality isn’t bad either.

>>10892090
That’s because your on aps online shop and angelic pretty girlies don’t want solids.

>>10892836
The art itself is ugly though

>>10892847
Typical sweetfag cumsoomer that hates any sweet print that’s not ap. Admit it isn’t the prettiest skirt ever but better then most sweet gunk I’ve seen on taobao.

>>10892882
not a sweet fag but it's still ugly anon. This wouldn't even sell as a post card in an AA

>>10892882
>using "hates any sweet print that isn't AP" as an insult
>admits that most sweet on taobao is trash
and this print posted is no exception

>>10892055
something about the colouring and proportion of eyes to foreheads bothers me. additionally the color grouping doesnt seem very coherent or flattering. the concept is cute enough, but i wouldnt purchase this based on the aforementioned grievances

>>10892055
Bruh. How you gonna do tb brands dirty like that? Even fucking To Alice has cuter prints Jesus.

>>10892899
It’s the text portion for me. Dear lord the text/music notes look like bad cgi.

>>10892912
I wish AP would stop doing these double releases and actually put effort into any of their designs.
It's not about them being ~solids~. Old AP solids were great. It's about how lazy AP has gotten and how they very obviously don't care. I know it's been this way for years now. I just don't enjoy watching m favorite brand become a shell of itself.

>>10892882
The art is really ugly and poorly done. Everything is mishappen and the shading is also all over the place. The little animal faces are especiallh hideous, they tried to imitate those creepy vintage animal doll style artists but can’t execute due to lack of skill. A polished turd covered in pink glitter, if you will. If the fabric quality is good I could get your point but it’s still fucking ugly.

>>10892836
People like you are the reason no one should trust online reviews.

>>10892836
10 times zero is still zero bb.

>>10892055
the biggest problem with this is it looks like clipart pics piled on top of one another. it doesn't look like it was designed together as a scene. and just to illustrate my point i will use a baby print instead of AP. what makes it different is that it's drawn as a cohesive scene. there's a clear plane that everything is on, same happens with APs character border prints. that's important because it gives depth to the print as a scene, rather than a collection of images. the rest of it is just tacky but that's up to taste more than anything. but the lack of depth and cohesion is what makes taobao and what made bodyline and what now makes some newer AP prints look bad. border prints across all styles are art that could stand on as a drawing it's own whether it's a spooky church or a fairytale story book cover. cohesive themes don't make the art look like it belongs together. i almost want to redraw this in a nicer way but i don't want to commit any time to it. also something that happens to people sometimes especially in the fashion is they make positivr associations to things they like with things that remind them of the original. anons who like this probably can't actually see the flaws because it feels the same to them. that's basically what itas are experiencing too.

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>>10892914
Gayyyy

She will be mine

>>10892914
>noooo ap don’t give us TWO releases in one week :’(
Releases like this are their bread and butter. They make money on these so they can take gambles on riskier stuff cough Galaxy Cocktail cough

>>10892947
>They make money on these
I guess, but half of these releases just sit and rot until they go in lucky packs. Why not just design something worthwhile in the first place and have it all sell out?
Two releases in one week just reminds me of how money-grabby/fast fashion AP has become.

>>10892947
no they don't. like >>10892950 said there's a reason they end up in lucky packs. these kinds of designs are easy to churn out because there's no artwork on them and their designs are simple. they're basically padding for their nicer stuff. hardly bread and butter.

>>10892951
> these kinds of designs are easy to churn out because there's no artwork on them and their designs are simple. they're basically padding for their nicer stuff.
I agree, every time there is a few shitty releases AP pulls out a good cotton print release like what we have been seeing.

>>10892914
Fabric and construction look like shit. Sad because the concept is cute. Shoulder ribbon was better.

>>10892969
Drop waist dresses like this also always look awful in lolita imho

>>10892951
NTA but they’re definitely just using that stuff to pad their margins. Even in a lucky pack, they’re making an absolute killing on these plain items. That cut-sew cost AP $5-$6, $10 at most. They could sell it 80% off and still more than double their money. Even when the release flops they make money, so quantity becomes more important than quality, as we can all see.

>>10892947
fucking ita

>>10893012
That's not how that works at all, anon.

>>10893119
Eh that’s kind of how all stores like this work anon. Your margins need to be high enough to still profit off of clearance, and that gives you a lot of room for error. How many people buy lucky packs that include dresses they NEVER would have bought if it hadn’t been blind?

The lucky pack is a brilliantly engineered way to make money off of what would have been dead merchandise.

>>10893124
Anon, you're confusing profit with revenue, they're not the same thing. What you're describing, which is actually revenue, is just making above cost, you have no insights into what AP's bottom line is. Simply making a small amount of revenue isn't enough in many cases, hence why many other brands closed physical stores or shuttered entirely. Lucky packs don't make that much, generally the price you're paying is much lower than what you pay for clearance items, and even items are put on clearance to try to regain revenue where a lucky pack item is an effort to recoup losses not revenue. When trying to calculate actual profit you need to take in ALL the expenses and ALL the revenue, not just the production costs of a single item. Infact, production costs by themselves don't even accurately calculate revenue like you're claiming. There are other fees to consider as part of the item's "cost". What really makes AP money is MTOs, they have a huge safety net and basically guarantee all projected revenue. Anyway, I don't plan on expanding on it futher so if you're actually interested in business accounting you should look into it more since you sound quite silly with so little information and so much confidence.

>>10893126
NTA, AP lucky pack pricing is definitely not break-even nonny. Not even close based on the lucky packs I’ve gotten.

>>10893126
That might be true for some brands, but definitely not AP. They manufacture in the Philippines for a reason anon, even Chinese labor is too expensive for their target margin, and we all know the quality has gone way downhill. Now, Baby in the other hand still manufactures in japan and does a lot of complex patterns that are all single stitched.

>>10893158
I wish I could get *some* of the newer AP prints with Baby quality. I got the re-release of strawberry loves chocolate and it’s absolutely amazing. There’s no way AP is paying more than $30-40 a dress if that, especially with the relatively new trade deals with the Philippines and SE Asia.

All I want are the dumb Sugar Hearts OTKs. Where are they? Will they randomly release when the MTO is delivered?
I didn't even get the MTO because it looked sad to me.

>>10893158
you still didn't listen to her and think you know what you're talking about.
>>10893131
she didn't say it was break even, she said it was lower.

>>10893214
dude it makes me so sad that sugar hearts mto looked as sad as it did. i tucking love sugar hearts id love to have a good updated version

>>10893158
>They manufacture in the Philippines for a reason anon
NTA but did you ever consider it's so they don't go under? If China is too expensive for them it's not because they're drowning in cash. Everything anon said was correct and you still keep using words you don't understand.

Reading all these comments and entire threads about APs downfall in quality makes me wonder what happened that made AP fall into the depths like they have. From my understanding, they started significantly dropping in quality around 2017. However brands like baby and meta have continued to have a relatively same quality. Why is that? It can’t be because of loss of sales, as AP is easily the most recognizable lolita brand and iconic for their OTT sweet prints. Would like to know a possible answer from a more informed anon.

>>10893221
I'd like to know too.
It feels like a large designer or management change. The clothes look and feel different. If you showed me nu-AP in 2010, I wouldn't even believe it's the same brand.

>>10893124
i'm not gonna lie, i love lucky packs. a lot the things i would've never bought myself end up as wardrobe staples

>>10893221
baby does a preorder period for almost every single new release, which might give them a bigger margin for error and pad their budget for quality. AP seems to be relying on brand recognition and MTOs of iconic prints to compensate for flops, which would probably require cheaper production. i don't know where baby produces, but i've also noticed that brands that use domestically produced fabric and/or domestic factories have better quality than ones that outsource to china/philippines/etc. japan does have famously great fabric production techniques, so that makes sense, and while costs are higher, brands that do this also don't have to pay to ship the stock and materials from overseas factories and usually have lower rates of QC issues. covid also lowered overall product quality for a lot of industries.

there's a lot of factors at play here. atepie did a blog post about the costs of production for lolita that also has some insights on the topic if you're interested. my opinion is just that AP is handling the situation poorly compared to competing brands.

>>10893158
Baby manufactures in Philippines and China too.

>>10893248
> atepie did a blog post about the costs of production for lolita that also has some insights on the topic if you're interested.
Was the blog post on yaplog? If so it can’t be viewed anymore because Wayback doesn’t archive it.

>>10893339
No, it was from this summer. buttcape did a writeup
https://stephano.me/blog/plus-size-lolita-manufacturing/

>>10893255
Yes for some items, but a lot of their main pieces returned to made in Japan. There’s a whole documentary about them and their Japanese manu. I think it was on NHT?

No matter where they manu, it can’t be argued that their quality is head and shoulders above AP these days.

>>10893248
AP also produces at a much larger scale than any other Japanese brand. For example, the owner of Baby literally hand finishes their jewelry collections because the quantity is small enough to do that.

>>10893221
AP made the decision to scale up and to do that you need big margins. Note that they’re the only brand with stores in China, Europe, the US, and japan. Maintaining that kind of presence is complex and expensive. I imagine that it takes a lot of time and energy away from the actual day to day design and qc efforts.

>>10893340
Reading this it reminds me how insane it is that so many western brands are able to offer plus size and multiple sizes. I guess it’s basically a requirement to offer plus size in the western market, regardless of how costly it is to your business people expect it. But even in that article it states that AP is an exception and produces in a much larger scale.

>>10893239
I almost wonder if AP was acquired by a firm or something, their model is so drastically different from other brands and where they started.

>>10893384
Tbh Japanese brands have no excuse really. If rando indie brands have figured out how to offer plus sizes, then established brands could do so easily if they actually wanted to.

>>10893392
>Tbh Japanese brands have no excuse really.
other than their obesity rate being way lower than the regional average and plus sized releases barely being bought when they are produced?

It's funny how you guys talk about AP as if it's a small business. They're the biggest lolita brand in the world, with stores outside of Japan. The lack of quality in their clothing and the bad designs are all intentional choices to make a huuuge profit margin.

>>10893396
NTA but read the interview. AP just straight up said “nah” to plus size options. It goes on to talk about how it almost bankrupted meta, but then also made them the go-to and basically saved the company.

>>10893392
That’s probably why most western indie brands close very quickly. They’re forced to either offer multiple sizes or get shat on by people for not offering more sizes, even though offering multiple sizes is insanely expensive to do. Just a thought.

>>10893397
This. AP is so much larger than any other brand in the space it’s hardly comparable. It’s kind of sad to see brands that are doing objectively better work getting less market share because of just how good AP is at reputation building/management.

>>10893397
they're not some business being run out of a garage sure, but being the "biggest lolita brand" really doesn't mean much when lolita is a niche fashion to begin with. they're the biggest fish in a very very small pond if anything

>>10893401
"they have a sufficiently large market in China currently that they don’t need to take the financial risk of starting plus size."
this agrees with my post, what's your point?

>>10893397
I think you're right. Cheaper quality fabric/designs, limited sizing. That's definitely cheaper than Baby still manufacturing in japan or meta's expanded sizing.
I don't think the other anons' ideas are completely impossible, though. It could be possible that AP has higher operating costs or something, and they changed quality to accommodate.

>>10893403
>>10893397
being the largest lolita brand is meaningless, they're not a large company in the grand scheme of things.

>>10893404
>>10893407
this exactly, lolita is very niche and very expensive. even the biggest and most successful brands are still rather small the moment you compare it to other businesses. i would honestly be surprised if ap even has employees in the triple digits, it's not big by any means

>>10893385
They’re owned by Atelier A. I don’t know if there’s a way to look up who were the owners in the past.

>>10893392
Probably because there would be no end to fatties demands - one "plus size" option wouldn't fit actual landwhales and they'd complain about that too. Also AP would 100% raise prices for the larger dresses to cover fabric costs.
It's much easier to just offer one size because it's not trying to purposefully exclude anyone. As soon as you add more sizes, people start asking why measurements xyz weren't included.

>>10893392
did you not read the post linked that explains exactly why brands cannot afford to do this

>>10893436
most of APs MTO JSK releases go up to a 100-110cm bust anyway, and their skirts often go up to 75-80cm waist, which is about the size most japanese brands use for their extended sizing anyway (it's on par with atepie's size 2, larger than IW's L and moities 13, and close to the min measurements for metas plus line). 100cm used to be considered the minimum for "plus size friendly", but once that became commonplace, the demand increased to 120-130.

AP probably doesn't see the need to release a plus size when their JSK and SK releases are already plus size friendly by japanese standards. they may even consider the alternative cuts to be a plus size option, and assume the market for >110cm max bust dresses isn't large enough to justify.

>>10893407
It’s not meaningless in the context of this discussion though. We’re not comparing it to target kek we’re comparing them to other Lolita fashion brands and complaining about the fact that even though they’re the largest and most well resourced by a long shot, they’re failing to produce goods as high quality or interesting as other brands even though they maintain the same price point.

>>10893443
Do you honestly think western indie brands don’t have those same expenses? They’re likely paying even high prices because they are even smaller scale.

>>10893460
nayrt, but why do you think western indie brands drop like flies? they're obviously not generating enough of a profit to stay afloat and manufacturing is costing them too much. no one is saying it's not possible or that they don't have the same expenses, just that it's a financial risk and often not worth it even for bigger brands.

>>10893461
Ntayrt, but no western brands drop like flies because they create hideous low quality, high cost dresses and then get surprised when the only customers they can get are the ones who can’t fit it into any mainstream brands.

>>10893464
well yes, two things can be true. most of them aren't my taste or size either, but i was replying in context to expenses and lack of profit.

>>10893464
differences between western brands and the japanese ones is also how long they've been doing it for to have the craftmanship, yet still not making it that big in the fashion world. so it's really more based on passion.

>>10893407
>>10893424
years ago I visited their flagship store and was stunned by how small it was and how little traffic they were getting compared to nearby shops. I always thought of them as a big deal so it really put into perspective how outside the lolita bubble, they're literally just some weirdo corner that people glance at and walk past.
Not to disagree that they shouldn't be dropping the ball on quality... just saying it's naive when some people act like they're some kind of massive conglomerate who can do anything just because they're a leader in a hobby that a few people are personally invested in.

>>10893471
Nonny the flagship store is their least trafficked store and is tucked away in the basement of la foret from back whe they couldn’t afford anything else. The real flagship store is probably the shibuya PARCO store, which they put into a brand new state of the art building in shibuya which shares retail space with Louis Vuitton. That’s a much better indication than your anecdotal experience at the oldest AP store, which btw is just a brisk walk away from the marui annex store in shinjuku. They’re not even close to a mom and pop shop, rent in the PARCO building alone is probably well over 10k a month.

The article above even clarified that AP is in a league of its own. We’re never going to know just how big AP is, but it has more than twice the stores of its closest competitors, the majority of which are located in extremely high rent areas.

>>10893471
That’s because literally any other AP store is better than the flagship except for AP USA, and I can’t speak for Paris since it’s the only AP store I’ve not been to except for chengdu and Kanazawa. The PARCO store feels very much like a flagship and gets tons of silent releases and re-releases/special merch that isn’t announced online.

>>10893474
nayrt but no one was comparing them to a mom and pop shop. multiple people are saying they're not a large company outside of lolita, because they aren't. a luxury lolita brand is not comparable to a normie luxury brand like LV

>>10893476
That’s not saying they are, it’s to illustrate the high cost of the space they’re renting. Just because they’re not massive doesn’t mean they’re small, and within lolita they basically dominate the whole industry even when they release low effort low quality stuff. It’s just disappointing.

>>10893478
not disagreeing that they're at the top despite releasing garbage but high rent cost does not constitute the size of a company. again, they're only considered a "big company" only within lolita, which doesn't say much. outside of it they're not. they'd be considered a small business when consulting the SBA to better put this into perspective.
>According to the SBA, any company that has fewer than 500 employees is a small business, while anything above that is a large business.

>>10893460
you ever notice how western indie brands go under rapidly and japanese indie brands stick around for years or decades?

>>10893485
NTA but I don’t think the data supports that claim. Over 90% of fashion retail businesses close within 2 years anyways, and certain western indie brands are ancient at this point, and Japanese indie brands fail too. Reality is the overwhelming majority of fashion brands fail-regardless of market cap.

>>10893481
Japan also has about a third of the us population, and has very different laws about business structure that would drastically skew this. Cartels are legal in Japan, and the way businesses are structured are drastically different. SBA doesn’t apply here.

>>10893486
>SBA doesn’t apply here.
yes it does to the USA branch, it's an American company registered in SF. they're considered a private independent company and have less than 300 employees. no idea why you're so insistent that they're not an overall small company when they are.

>>10893489
Lmao nonny are you not aware that the US store is a franchise? It’s the only AP store that isn’t directly run by AP, which is why you’ll find other brands in the same storefront.

>>10893478
i see luxury brand stores in small no name malls with specialty shops that definitely aren't making a killing, having lv or others in a building doesn't really mean much

>>10893486
nta, but ok, let's play by japanese rules. i found the corporate identification number for ap's parent company atelier a/boutique a/ブティック ア: 5011001020378 and found info through it. information is somewhat limited, it seems the size + that the company is private means they are not required to report much, but several sources i've checked agree: ap is small. unless you think that 68 reported employees is a big business, lol, which from the places i checked could *maybe* be considered a medium business, though on the actual pages about boutique a i only ever saw the term for small business come up

AP has few registered employees because most of the salespeople are part-time (job ads on Twitter almost daily.). The 68 employees are likely the office/atelier staff and store managers.
While 68 employees may not be a large company compared to major Western brands, for a niche store like a lolita brand that outsources all of its production to other countries, 68 employees is not small.

Speaking of stores, the traffic in lolita stores is mostly on release days and weekends. On other days, most customers are tourists or shopping service.

As mentioned, AP has stores in the most famous and expensive locations in terms of rent. They do annual store renovations. Prices have increased and quality has declined. The margin is huge!

>>10893510
This. Baby has so few employees. I can confirm what was mentioned above that the owners hand finish the jewelry. AP is an entirely different type of business even if they sell the same products.

>>10893510
Those 68 also don’t include the massive number of contractors that work for AP. It’s all but certain that their design team are contractors not regular full time employees. For the Lolita world, they’re truly massive.

>>10893507
This filing also clearly has some inconsistencies, and based on the info here it’s seems that even this parent company operates under a holding company or cartel which is very common in Japan, so the true numbers are likely much higher. It also may or may not include the employment count for the subsidiary angelic pretty. 10 million yen in capital is clearly a massive undervaluation of the capital, implying that cash holdings are elsewhere. 10 million yen isn’t enough to pay one years rent at even one of the prime locations they operate.

>>10893489
Isn’t the Paris store also a franchise?

You people are really reaching trying to justify that AP is huge actually. They are the biggest fish in a very small pond; they're still fucking tiny compared to what is considered "big" in any other context. Even if you double that 68, or even triple it, that's still maybe 200 people, for a store that has expanded into other countries where the fashion is even more niche and the size is even smaller than the home country. I have been to several AP stores in Japan, and they are not big, and there are not a lot of people who work there. It's a small business.

>>10893510
>Prices have increased and quality has declined.
Yet, prices for production have also increased. Prices to pay these 68 people have also increased. The margin hasn't increased by as much as you're assuming. Quality is decreasing because people are not willing or able to pay the price difference. People will pay the same amount for lower quality, however, if they are loyal to a brand.

The yen has been SHIT in Japan since the pandemic. It's gotten a bit better, but not by much, not enough to make up that difference. Their largest market is in China. Even then, it is still a niche fashion, and there's a huge amount of competition.

>>10893577
AP isn’t huge, but it’s not a small business and it doesn’t operate like one.

>>10893587
There’s no excuse for the quality decline. Other brands have held the line, AP has chosen not to, and to increase their margins. Their margins compared to Baby and other smaller bands are crazy. If AP is so destitute due to the yen, then why are Baby dresses still so high quality? Meta manufactures in the Philippines for some dresses too and maintains better quality control.

>>10893577
Love how you keep moving the goal post when people point out that you’re incorrect. As above anon pointed out, that data shown above is both inaccurate and outdated. No female employees at AP? AP is the biggest of the Japanese brands by a mile, yet produces some of the lowest quality products of the major Japanese brands. You do realize that the vast majority of small businesses have 0 employees outside of the owner right? AP is not some small suffering orphan child business.

>>10893616
>Love how you keep moving the goal post when people point out that you’re incorrect.
NTA, it's painfully obvious there are several people contributing to this conversation. do you think you're only replying to the same one person? multiple people consider AP to be a small business outside of lolita. the diagram you posted quite literally goes against your argument and classifies them as a small business.
>AP is not some small suffering orphan child business.
not a single person said this. everyone arguing this lacks reading comprehension because all of the posts ITT saying AP is small is not saying they're a small LOLITA brand, but a small brand in general contexts. there are different levels of small businesses other than mom and pop shops and "suffering orphan child businesses" and while they're obviously not a singular employee company they're a small company regardless.

>>10893615
>other brands have held the line

This is what bothers me so much. AP designs have always been my favorite for the art style and aesthetic, but why can’t they match the quality of other brands? It wasn’t always like this. Baby/aatp went through a phase of bad QC and really stepped it up in the last 4-5 years. Maybe AP will eventually circle back around to it too. Meta and Baby both make higher quality items at around the same price, but they’re just not really my style. Even APs cotton dresses aren’t what they used to be. It’s just a bummer.

>>10893617
Ap isn’t small period nonny. They’re a lower mid size international boutique business.

>>10893587
The yen has nothing to do with it- every other Japanese brand is impacted by that too. The real reason is because, as even they acknowledge, their biggest market is in China, so they just have to be better quality and design than taobao brands to stay ahead, and that’s a low ass bar.

Y’all in Japan what you’d be referring to is an SME (small and medium enterprises). The requirements for retail SMEs is 50 or fewer employees. So there ya go. AP is not a small business.

>>10893622
>The requirements for retail SMEs is 50 or fewer employees.
not employees, regular workers. defined as permanent employees and full time workers.

>>10893623
No the SME form definitely says employees. And even so, the 68 counted in the above filing do not include part timers, which they reported having none. It’s not a small business. You can just admit that you’re wrong you know. It’s a quick google search away.

>>10893625
>No the SME form definitely says employees
no, it doesn't. it says regular workers.

>>10893626
So does the filing saying 68 you dingus

>>10893627
no, it doesn't. it says 68 employees. employees and regular workers are two different things, which is why it has a definition clarified at the bottom.

>>10893577
> it’s a small business.

No it isn’t. Baby is a small business. Meta is a small business. hanueli is a small business. And all of those brands produce better quality options with less than half the staff, hell haneuli is a one owner and one assistant. If you’re trying to support small businesses AP ain’t it.

>>10893643
>Baby is a small business.
the corporate number anon interested me, so i searched through several websites that report company data. probably not entirely accurate but could be treated more like estimates than anything. they seem to have around the same amount as AP.

also found pretty awful reviews from ex employees at AP and a job posting for a full time pattern maker position that was posted in september and expires in 2 days.

>>10893643
NTA but justifying that baby and meta are small businesses compared to AP just because they make higher quality products is such BS. I feel like lolitas that have been in the subculture for over 10+ years start forgetting how obscure and niche lolita fashion truly is. Compared to Mainstream brands like Christian Dior or Gucci, Angelic Pretty is a little wasp with an overall small consumer base. Of course we’ve all seen celebrities like Melanie Martinez and Katy Perry wear the brand, but if you were to ask a stranger what angelic pretty is they would probably think you’re crazy.

If we’re exclusively talking about the subculture; Yes, Angelic Pretty is NOT a small business. But I think the anons in this thread are confusing the subcultures POV Vs. Mainstream Fashion.

>>10893647
Don't lump us in with these gen z faggots who have shitty uninformed hot takes. >>10893643 we do not claim this one

>>10893646
>mfw studied fashion and could theoretically fill that role but know they'll never hire me since I live in burgerland

I'll take solace in the fact that it seems I wouldn't enjoy working there anyway.

>>10893646
>also found pretty awful reviews from ex employees at AP
i tried to find what youre referring to but couldnt. could you direct me or post caps? i'm curious

>>10893474
Check your facts
AP has 16 locations including overseas (and iirc a location in Japan closed this year). BtSSB has 15 stores - 6 in Tokyo area (including Yokohama and not including Takasaki). AP has 4 in Tokyo area.

>>10893654
the work environment is apparently awful from what i'm gathering from the reviews:
>I think that there will be no increase in the number of people if the atmosphere of the whole workplace is not improved.
>Since the patternmaking team and designer team work completely separately it is difficult to communicate with each other
>Because the number of employees at the head office is small there is a large amount of work per person, giving the impression that the burden is heavy
here's the listing itself. apparently people quit often and there's a lack of communication which could explain some inconsistencies?
>>10893663
https://jobtalk.jp/companies/8206416/answers
a few at the bottom of the page are locked behind a paywall but you can use inspect element to read them without paying

>>10893681
Huh, interesting. I can't help but wonder if the disjointed relationship between creative teams has affected the quality of releases in one way or another. Maybe if they got a steady team we'd see better stuff? Maybe I'm huffing the copium, who knows.
Cool insight anon, thanks!

>>10893681
This is common at hobby jobs. Anything involving a passion hobby is usually shit pay and a toxic af work environment. It’s true in the west too. Game development, animation, concept art etc. are all generally low paid with shit hours in a pressure cooker environment. They do this because they know people like the product/hobby so much they’ll put up with a lot to participate in it at that level.

>>10893615
Baby still cuts corners to reduce costs. They may be using higher quality fabric, but they don't use lining. Their shirring may be elastic sewn directly onto the fabric rather than in channels. Thus, reducing steps and the amount of hours.

Things are being cut, but in different areas.

>>10893681
In context 10 million yen comes out to 67k USD at the current exchange rate. That really is not a lot, especially when you're operating 14 physical stores and have to pay 68 people.

>>10893719
Yeah but they’re not cutting in the pattern, and baby didn’t necessarily cut lining- every baby piece in my wardrobe pre-2012 are all unlined as are many older pieces especially solids. They still make in Japan, single stitch their seams, have very complex patterns compared to other brands. Not at all elastic is sewn that way either.

AP has a lot more than 67k, that’s probably just the assets of the holding company, which protects assets from business operations. 67k would never get them the leases they have in high cost locations. The SC mto alone almost certainly cleared more than that in net profit.

>>10893707
Unfortunately this is true, but to be fair, it’s not like jobs in Japan are known for having positive feedback from employees

>>10893681
>Women's and children's clothing retail business
children?

>>10893750
It’s possible that AP used to make children’s clothes in the 80s or 70s and never bothered to change the status.

>>10893750
>>10893757
it said the same for several other women's clothing stores that i checked including btssb, so i think it's just a default label/category that they group them together

>>10893719
since when? almost all of their dresses are lined. the cotton pieces sometimes have lined skirts/unlined bodices, but that's more about comfort than cutting corners.

>>10893681
>https://jobtalk.jp/companies/8206416/answers
youre a real one, thanks for the direction

>>10893707
>Game development
game dev jobs start at 60k and go up to 200k, anon are you retarded?

>>10893720
>67k would never get them the leases they
Do you know what a franchise is?

>>10893622
>>10893626
this is talking about retail enterprises. if they're hiring a seamstress, that's not going to fall under retail, so at least some of their business should be falling under manufacturing, meaning that 50 (whether regular worker or employee) may not even be the applicable number, at least not to the entire company

>>10893837
Nayrt but they are mostly correct. Yes senior gamedevs can earn a lot but the hours aren’t as good as and the pay is still less than if you worked for a bank or transit company or something. Even the non-creative work for gaming companies pays less and demands longer hours than the same roles in other industries. I wouldn’t call the pay horrible but it’s not really worth it unless you absolutely love gaming. Speaking as a burger here.

>>10893837
It’s literally the most toxic industry, and dev jobs outside of the industry start at 120 and easily go to 400+ at FAANG companies. Game developers are massively underpaid compared to what they would have made in other industries.

I hate this picture.
Something about it makes me cringe and feel disgusted. Why does she look like she just woke up from a coma?

Extremely uncouth of AP to make the best accessories exclusive to Laforet private party

>>10894114
AP also made the pink colorway exclusive to certain stores again.
It's like they know they're failing, so they just make fake scarcity by purposefully limiting product.

>>10894114
Shit... that necklace is super cute

>>10894114
Only bad thing about the necklace is the lining on the candy kane, low effort AP...
-15 points taken from Gryffindor.

Has the designer ever seen a candy cane before??

>>10893922
Why aren't Lolita models allowed to smile anymore
What a shit show

Do we know what Baby is releasing for Christmas yet? I really want a Christmas dress but I can't find the baby thread

>>10893922
>pov you just farted at the tea party

>>10894276
If they were going to release a Christmas themed dress, they would've released it last month so it'd arrive home in time.

And there's a Lolita General thread

>>10894114
non-pink accessories will probably be next week, whatevs

>>10894298
>If they were going to release a Christmas themed dress, they would've released it last month so it'd arrive home in time.
I see you're new to brand releases.

>>10894351
>Soirée Au Chat Noir, Kumya's Harvest Featival, Chris' Candy Factory, and Kumya's Christmas Market all released 1.5 to 2 months before their respective holidays

I see you're new to Baby releases

>>10894374
And I see that you're a niggerfaggot who has to run to lolibrary to find examples to prove your point. Brands commonly release Christmas shit right next to the holiday. Baby sf literally released soiree after Halloween this year

>>10894375
Baby SF probably didn't get the shipment or wasn't allowed from the main branch to take orders until then, I wouldn't use Baby SF as an example since it's a US store.

Do we all just collectively not care about AP releases anymore?
Where are people talking about them?

>>10894375
Soiree was announced in September and released in early October. Japanese people, their main demographic, celebrate holidays too and it was on schedule for them. Not everything is centered around Americans.

>>10894276
I assume their Christmas print this year is their rerelease of Kumya’s Christmas Market.

>>10894116
Except they’ve always done that though

>>10894287
Kek

there's the Winter TP tomorrow, I'm hoping to get some leaks

What are your wishes for the Spring collection ?

Any pics of Melody Toys salopette 2023 being worn?

>>10895221
A Milky-Chan the Fawn MTO. I don't care about new releases anymore.

>>10895221
New print!

>>10895221
Daydream Carnival rerelease

Tea Party series

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>>10895297
This picture has weird lighting >>10895298 shows the real color. Much more vibrant.

>>10895299
I can’t tell if this is cotton or not.

>>10895290
>>10895291
oh my GOD these look like pure SHIT
>PPPAS4
damn straight

>>10895300
adorable! I love these 50's inspired dresses!

>>10895302
Looks like the usual grosgrain AP uses for vibrant prints.

>>10895301
>>10895291
>>10895287
These literally look like taobao prints. What the fuck AP?

i wish they would just rerelease a cute spring food feeling print like jewellery jelly or whip factory or decoration dream

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>>10895288
i actually really like this

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>>10895288
AP keeps copying itself but doing everything worse. Pic related.

>>10895290
Trying to figure out if the giant puffy stars are seperate accessories or come with the heabow for this print. One of the headbows in >>10895291 doesn't have them attached. I hope they are sold individually... They're one of the only "good" things I see.

>>10895294
So, Day Dream Carnival is getting rereleased? Or was this just shown for some random reason?

>>10895297
This reminds me of some old applique dress, but I'm too tired to go look for it.

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>>10895289
I actually like this print but the cut is hideous and the fabric and trim look cheap.

>>10895329
>if the giant puffy stars are seperate accessories or come with the heabow for this print
My guess is separately

>Day Dream Carnival is getting rereleased?
Yes as an MTO, with an additional new colorway, for Laforet Grand Bazaar most likely

>>10895287
cream soda mermaid but worse

>>10895288
the border print going all the way to the hem with no buffer looks like a mistake

>>10895333
I got excited for all of a second until I noticed how cheap the quality looks. Truly taobao tier

>>10895336
>My guess is separately
Seeing this new image >>10895326 , I think you're right. Fingers crossed. It would be nice to at least walk away with a few new accessories in 2024.
I'm basically not purchasing from AP anymore because of the lack of cotton.

>>10895340
Some of these new releases look like cotton so I've got my hopes up.

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>>10895287
The border art is very cute; love the ice cream and lyrical cookies, but the rest looks so cheap. Disappointing.

>>10895326
>>10895291
Overall design is nice even if I don't plan on purchasing the main pieces.

>>10895288
Why does the border art hang so low?

>>10895297
More appliques, please!

>>10895283
>>10895300
Print is adorable!

I don't plan on buying much, but I do appreciate the amount of border prints. Very plain and generic blouse, though.

>>10895331
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>>10895328
Yawn. Boring solids this year.

>>10895318
Jewellery jelly would be so good if they printed it on a decent fabric.

>>10895348
vibin' cat is cute

I can't get over how shiny and thin some of these look...

>>10895297
I like this, except the bow on the chest looks so cheaply made, I can't ignore it. AP was known for their full and perky bows in the past, it's one of the specific details that really made it popular. It's just so sad

>>10895291
So do I have horrible taste or are these actually really cute at least in concept? The execution seems as worryingly lacking as I've come to expect from AP but I can hope it's just the photo for now...

>>10895348
I wish more dresses had pansies, I’m excited for this one

>>10895382
It looks better on the model here >>10895326

>>10895386
You're right, didn't catch that at first somehow. Thanks.

>>10895343
none of them were cotton except DDC

>>10895291
The waist bow is unnecessary and unflattering. All of these new releases are cute but could benefit from removing a few elements.

>>10895300
>>10895301
I hate it when the OP cut has a completely different vibe from the JSK cut. I wish the JSK had a retro vibe as well.

Saw that Lor posted a video called "Is this the end of Lolita Fashion?" and this was one of the top comments.
I don't know how/why 100+ people have liked this comment because it just feels so objectively wrong. For starters, almost everything AP released in 2012 was cotton and better constructed. I know the fashion isn't "dead," but AP lost its grandeur years ago. Are people really not able to tell the difference between 2024 and 2012, just because AP threw pastels and bunnies on some dresses?

>>10895412
I saw that too. Lor fans are fucking cringe. Anything to try to fit in.

>>10895458
I feel crazy because I'm seeing a lot of people/newbies gawking over the Spring preview stuff. Meanwhile it fills me with no joy. I guess we're just old enough to know better.

>>10895412
The quality of this spring collection is blatantly shit, but I would agree with them that the style is leaning more towards 2010s sweet. Like compared to the past few years of jirai garbage and weird trend-hopping this all seems like more of a return to form for AP. Not a surprise, tho, bc they've also been moving back towards the cheerful fun aesthetic with their advertising and photo sets and away from the 'sad hooker in an abandoned warehouse' vibe of the Risa era.

>>10895290
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>>10895326
>>10895327
I am really wanting a stars/moon/night print but the material looks disgusting, and I'm not even a cottonfag. Maybe I'd be more tempted if the black was navy instead

>>10895290
i mean i guess i don’t hate it i really wish it was just better construction and if the waist bow was shorter

>>10895514
Can't do much about the construction, but it'd be easy enough to shorten the waist bow.

>>10895294
Since there haven't been that many cotton releases I started to forget how wrinkly some of their cotton can be.

>>10895287
>>10895292
The hem stitching is so bad

>>10895563
there's nothing worse than getting a cotton release and it's bad quality cotton

Hasn't anyone got the link to see the items in pre-reservation for the TP attendants

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>>10896170
I'm super excited for these!

Sugar Decoration this week.

They had a pricing mistake earlier on

Jsk was the price of the blousd

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