/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIaHUpXQKPM
didnt like it at all, felt like a boring mess

>>10672287
Pretty much 90% of what idol music is

>>10672284
new au idol debut ep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h93e5ZVj4X0&ab_channel=Ripple

Apologize.

>>10672332
the vocals are kinda weak and also badly mixed making the songs sound like an infamous English trans-lyric song cover.

>>10672334
Literally who even are you

>>10672334
does she need a house husband

>>10672334
Holly when did anyone make fun of you for that?

>>10672307
>>10672287

If you aren’t a fan of idol music why go out of your way to join a discussion about it?

The song is pretty solid idol music and fits well into its genre.

>>10672413
>criticizing the community means anon isn't a fan
good to know i need to think something is perfect in order to like it.

noticed lots of discussion about the Australian idols. Who should I look up??

>>10672334
Imagine getting a whole phd yet still being dumb enough to care about net idol drama

>>10672486
what year of school is she in? "doing her phd" could simply mean she's taking her required courses for going into post grad, not that she's in post grad.

>>10672334
>not knowing who holly is

I've enjoyed the amount of promotion for Resoluscia's cold case. it's made me really excited to see the MV. I wish more groups would put this much effort into branding, but after the Kickstarter i can tell it comes at a huge price

>>10672491
Not defending but people only say getting/doing PhD when they’re actually ya know, in school for their PhD. Based on her Instagram though it seems like she’s actually getting her PhD.

>>10672334
>>10672491
>>10672713
Pardon my ignorance, but literally what does being in school for a doctoral phd have anything to do with this thread again? It isn't going to magically make her content any less terrible. Can we move on lol

>>10672787
If you can read it was mentioned by an idol anyway new subject.

>>10672480
This thread was better when it was just the Australian Idols abusing each other.

i dont watch big brother but i got slightly interested in it because our girl is on. she was doing pretty good apparently but now im finding out the only reason she lost was because she's white. there's a black alliance on the show and they voted out all non blacks on purpose. alot of people feel bad for her because despite her doing so well she was in an unwinnable racist situation.

>>10672341
Oh please, I guarantee Holly is probably better known than you. She’s been around for ages.

>>10672907
Is this something said or purely speculation? I didn’t bother to watch but as a black person that’s really dumb because now they have to fight against themselves and why. Just so BB can finally have a black winner?

>>10672915
Then I guess that's a testament to how much of an impact she's made if I've never heard of her after all this time LOL

>>10672986
Or you’re just new

>>10672992
Ok sweetie

>>10673002
yes im new, yes no one's heard of me, none of this information helps me know who tf holly is. can someone link some content or do we just wanna keep jerking off about how she's really well known?

>>10673013
aussies all just think they are special

>>10672907
>>10672952
This is the first season of BB I've watched. I haven't caught up to her elimination yet, but I'm close.

That's pretty much what it is. Their alliance is called the "Cookout", and they wanted a black POC to be the winner. Where I'm at, some of them are pretty torn up about eliminating their non cookout members since they're closer to them than some of the alliance members.

>>10673002
?

>>10673016
Holly is extremely American while actually being British.

>>10673013
Holly heart is just a really failed net idol and overseas idol. She was part of Flusay Girls and Crystal Rose but I don’t know if either are active anymore. She’s been dancing for quite some time but never actually improves.

>>10673025
Damn. There’s about to be infighting.

prismic members have all been hinting about a new member. wonder who it is


on that note, a lot of groups have announced holmat. who's confirmed and who are we still waiting on?

>>10673130
I know of Quartesque, Ayumi, and I think Prismic. Otherwise haven’t seen any other announcements.

>>10673130
I wouldn’t be surprised if it ends up being Calina!

What's going on with the Julily/Ryo drama?

Anyone know anything about northwest idol fest? Looks like a scam con

>>10672480

ive been enjoying covers from the citrus plus girls, since I followed Ria from AGS ive enjoyed their stuff.

i'd like to find new people for my radar

>>10673194
Julily has been sharing a lot of links and stuff on her social media to add more stuff to her story. I'd never heard of this Ryo before so I'm glad to have the heads up about him!

>>10672907
It’s a show where you play to win.
Alliances happen all the time.

Why is everyone so mad a bunch of black folks played the game the way it’s always played and was successful this time?
Sensing some jealousy out of the BB world.

Monii was the only one who didn't write a birthday message to Mimi on the reso post??? Has she left the group???

>>10673494
monii has no references to reso anywhere in her instagram, if she hasn't officially left it definitely feels like she's clocked out

>>10673542
I don't think she ever did though. Correct me if I'm wrong

>>10673547
you could be right, i only noticed recently and thought it was really odd. thought she would have it on her linktree, connected to YouTube, something.

>>10673225
Ria seems like the only one that can sing from that group

>>10673494
>>10673542
Monii has never had reference to Reso in her stuff. She keeps her pages and links really clear. She’s technically on “indefinite hiatus.” She was somewhat involved in Meotashi’s album but who know when that was organized. Said once and will say it again I don’t think Monii was meant to be permanent in Reso in the first place.

when is reso getting more members, arent they supposed to have 9 by now

>>10673754
It's not as easy as you think finding compatible people to work with.

>>10673823
Especially in Florida, where there’s already a bunch of established groups that have talented people committed to them. Not everyone’s great at balancing multiple groups.

>>10673754
I really hope this doesn't happen. In fact I didn't want them to get more than 3 members, cause the larger a group is, the harder it is to manage even if everyone's on the same page and working hard. I don't want Resoluscia to devolve into an unorganized mess like Stellure did, with half assed content and a revolving door of members being added and replacing each other.

>>10673823
Meotashi mentioned wanting seven iirc. It looks like they're probably stopping at five (Four if you don't count Monii/Yooya)

>>10673916
They seem incredibly picky about scouting so you may get your wish, anon. A few threads ago someone said nobody who applied was getting in. They really should continue with the 5 that they have now.

is reso looking for members outside of the community?

>>10674080
well charlie was in project shooting stars but it doesn't seem like he ever did original idol content, so it seems if you're talented/passionate enough they're open

Tambourine posted that they are disbanding.

Rip bozos

>>10674258
Finally a win for the community

Good riddance

>>10674258
big w

>>10674258
It’s really disgusting how it was framed as “we’re getting bullied :(“ instead of kazu being held accountable for being an abuser.

>>10674258
Good riddance to trash

>>10674287
Also gotta love how they essentially said "we were already thinking of disbanding it has nothing to do with the recent drama !!" BS lol.... defensive and dismissive till the end.

>>10674258
Anyone read poppy’s post?

>>10674287
The classic case of "I was abused so I can't abuse others"

>>10674308
That's definitely what I got out of it. But to build off that Im glad she's choosing to stay out of this community and hopefully kazu follows suit. I don't feel like either of them fit into this type of performance style anyway desu. Hope they can find other things to satisfy their performance needs.

>>10674317
Considering poppy went full burlesque, I think it may be safe to say she’s more or less done with idol stuff

>>10674258
Good riddance.

>>10674307
Wait what did poppy do? I’ve only heard about Kazu and Washu

>>10674379
Nobody said she was an abuser so i dont know why shes crying about it. Poppy did however enable abuse given kazu is her best friend and always took her side and swept others' feelings under the rug as a group leader. She's complicit in kazu's toxicity.

poppy and kazu/bails are really reporting even the announcement of their breakup

Poppy's statement just screamed "I'm a victim which means I can't be an abuser or enable it."

>>10674390
Agreeing with you there. I love Poppy, and she’s really coming into her own as a burlesque performer. But with so much evidence against Kazu, I want to know what’s kept her from seeing what seems to be the truth. I just want a j Aubrey style video about what’s happened with Washu and Kazu. The history, accusations, victims, etc. Some form of fucking explanation for everything that’s going on, and something that nobody can get taken down. There’s so much floating around, and I want to know what’s at the bottom of it all.

>>10674625
is there actual evidence against Bails? like I saw kuri's video but desu all the conversations she showed in her live stream don't seem very mean at all? it looks, from a third party perspective, that she took a post that was organized and professionally captioned and jumped to a conclusion. same for the Dm's. like almost nothing in that live stream actually made feasible sense, and I would hardly call it substantial evidence. but she is literally the only public story I know. I've never had personal contact with Bails so I can't say. mostly just curious is any actual real evidence is out there.

>>10674632
If Kazu wasn't the bad person she has been made out to be, she had so much time to tell her side of the story. Instead, she was silent and sadly in this day and age, silence online is just as bad as being guilty.

>>10674632
When you put it that way it makes me think that Kuri is behind all this, where were the other victims she was talking about? I don’t think there are any

It's just hard to believe what is the truth because Kazu hasn't said anything at all. Poppy has made the statement and the way it was worded didn't convince me that Kazu was innocent at all. But then on the hand, there is only one person who shared their experience with Kazu. Her silence doesn't help.

There's a whole group of victims that have been working together. They just don't want to be public I guess.

I haven't been active in the community in a long while, but I've been missing it, so do any of you know about online groups that are scouting currently? Or where a good place to look is?

>>10674868
If you search #idolscouting on IG it looks like quite a few groups in different areas are scouting!

>>10674858
I'm assuming you're one of them then right? If they aren't being public? Idk, I'm still not buying Kuri's innocence. She made a livestream and didn't make a whole lot of sense, basically talked in circles. Poppy and Tambo posted about bullying, it makes me think that Kuri is the one sending people shit. I feel like she's not 100% innocent here.

>>10674928
>>10674928
The Kazu/Poppy issue existed before Kuri's livestream. There has been discussion in past threads about things they have done. People were excited when someone finally spoke up. Them claiming bullying is their attempt at shifting blame because people are demanding accountability. They want an apology and she blocked everyone she owed one. In the livestream, Kuri told her story about her experience in Idols a la Carte and specifically Kazu and Washu from the time she joined the group to the impact on her mental health as a result. How do you consider that talking in circles? If anything the situations she describes again and again exposes a pattern of awful behavior. Kazu is that you? I would avoid trying to reverse the story and point the finger at the victim. Kazu has a history of spreading gossip about people, especially those she did wrong. More people have spoken up on the lolcow thread because posts have been getting deleted here.

Anyone seen the au group dreamy pop
Theyre hosting a competition to make new costumes designs for them. Bit greedy
https://twitter.com/dreamypopau/status/1439947447778770945?s=21

>>10674940
>hi kuri
I’m not kazu, kind of annoying that you think anyone who is suspicious of all this is suddenly the enemy. Did you watch the same livestream? Kuri took hours to describe what would have taken anyone else 30 minutes. The majority of the shit she said was repetitive and honestly not even that bad. I think if she just talked to her group members none of this would have happened. Also, where are all the other people who have supposedly been hurt? I’ve seen zero posts from others who have been hurt by Kazu and Washu. Forgive me for being skeptical but as someone who is piecing this together from the outside, I just feel like there’s more to it than this

This kuri vs kazu idea is so tired. Shes one person who spoke out, the others dont want to for the same reason nobody signs these posts with their own names, so it's understandable people can think it's a one-person agenda. It isnt about the number of victims or even proving there are other victims though. Victims are accessory to the point that Kazu is a person who refuses to ever acknowledge they mess up or take responsibility for their mistakes. She's bound to have hurt or left a bad taste in the mouth of anybody who comes across her. Tambourine disbanded because they're running from accountability, not because kuri or anybody else bullied or pressured them into it. Kazu has a garbage personality, she's proven that multiple times on her own already without anybody needing to testify. All anybody asked was for a public apology (that wasn't full of shit) and a commitment to change. Their disbandment was a surprise, but it also wasn't suprising that they chose to go down with their pride while riding a victim complex, rather than owning up to things so that everybody on both sides could move on past this bs and learn to be better from it.

Plot twist what if they disbanded cause they’re sick of Kazu? Unlikely but would be funny.

>>10674955
Greedy? No. Scummy? Yes. I don’t like the idea of creating a whole costume design and only getting $15 store credit for it. The only thing in their ko-fi shop is $15 charms.

Mental Health Break time

>>10675045
>>10674955
the way the members dealt with people’s criticism of it are ridiculous from what i’ve seen on twitter. need to get off their high horse

>>10675822
apparently they were lookin for ppl to be designers its interesting that they did a competition rather than pay for a design

>>10675912
>$15 credit to their store
>only items in the store costs $15

Lmao pay a designer. This is so scummy of them

How does Koda ask for money, yet whales in Genshin?

Koda has medical bills to pay… can’t believe you are trying to fight the disabled

>>10676162
What's your beef with Koda lol

>>10676162
Shut up Kazu

>>10674955
>>10675045
>>10675912
>>10676054
I'm in the minority here, but I am not seeing the problem. Groups have done this before. You don't need to pay people to do idol designs, most people find costume design fun and volunteer to do it for free. Everybody wants to design the costumes and write the lyrics, nobody wants to make the music. There's an overabundance of people who want to costume design. The prize sucks though. It's not even worth offering a prize.

>>10675822
I agree with this. Child af. Need to learn to ignore and not engage.

meotashi's solo album is live on Spotify and apple music

just posted on reso’s insta. i’m not super surprised but i wonder what happened.

>>10676716 mb didn’t post the other half

>>10676716
Not surprised about yooya but I am kinda surprised that charlie would have left so early.

>>10676781
Are you sure he didn't just get kicked out?

>>10676871
Idk i would find it hard to believe anyone would get kicked so soon into joining a group. Especially considering it was someone pengy had worked with in the past and she probably vouched for. But that's just my speculation.

>>10676717
i have theories but i feel like they mustve just realized he's not a good fit during cold case

>>10676716
>>10676717
Yooya always felt temporary but I feel like Reso works best as the three.

>>10675822
If you ain't willing to respond to backlash publicly on your group account don't do it on your public personal accounts either. We can still see that shit. Incredibly unprofessional and Such a bad look.

>>10676919
sucks cuz i really liked yooya

>>10676963
Same. Yooya easily had the strongest vocals :((( their loss desu

>>10676917
Yeah, this is the most likely thing. Makes me wish that more overseas groups had trainees, because that seems like a good way to get to know someone and their style before announcing them as a seemingly permanent member. No hard feelings towards Charlie or Reso, they made a decision and it’s theirs to make.

>>10677067
I personally would find it hard to bring someone on under trainee status while also still trying to stay on track with project plans. You'd have to dedicate separate amount of time to doing things with the trainee that may never be seen when it's already challenging to get content out regularly. It seems easier to just bring them on for the ride and just hope for the best so you don't have to slow down.

>>10676716
>>10676717
>reso is 3 permanently now
dropped

>>10677076
bitches wanted them to stay at three members, other bitches are dropping them for now permanentely staying at three, no one can ever be happy

ShootingStar Idols released their album on spotify

https://open.spotify.com/album/0qNFj6JPlEk6yfletOioVb?si=Wc2PO7NaSYWReP3Vd181YQ&dl_branch=1

>>10677112
Tbh, three is too few and nine is too many. 5-6 is ideal.

making decent music is harder than i imagined

>>10677112
Gotta do watcha gotta do to keep it going. It's either that or crash and burn like stellure did.

>>10676781
yooya/monii commented under her graduation post and it seems like they're still on really good terms, plus she'll still be getting hired. im glad she's not completely leaving the team

This community (especially the boards) has gotten so boring and people only talk about the same two or three groups ever when there's tons of idol releases happening frequently. I guess because they aren't up to a high standard or worth mentioning? It's dull. The same story of promising looking groups and then they end up falling.

Surprised nobody posted this. Non-sweet is releasing their 3rd single on October 8th. Really excited because they’re one of the better groups.

>>10677401
Just post them. The worst is they get ignored

>>10677401
if you feel like a group or content isn't getting talked about, why don't you post it? i follow the florida groups because im in the area, so if they post content i post it here. do the same for groups you want to see talked about instead of aimlessly complaining

I'm getting McDonald's does anyone want anything

>>10677458
yeah fries please

>>10677458
Cheeseburger happy meal. Thx babe

>>10677458
a McFlurry please, the m&ms one.

>>10677403
Woah thank you for introducing me to this group. I just listened to Timeslip and I'm amazed by the quality?? The highnotes are really pitchy but the song as a whole is so professional sounding, I'm shocked.
Who is their producer, SHUN? I can't find anything except the retired Vocaloid producer.

>>10677729
timeslip is so cute! i love the choreo for it, im really glad they released it early bc it definitely convinced me to sub

>>10677729
No problem. SHUN is a producer from Japan who created a group called Seishun Gakuen. Three of the members of Nonsweet were part of the Canadian sister group (Seishun Youth Academy). SHUN produces Nonsweets songs which is a great move.

>>10676608
>Starfall
The Japanese feels very out of place. It doesn’t feel natural and neither does the overall feel of the lyrics. The backing track is okay but the mixing feels badly done all over.
>Chance!
The mixing and flow here feels a lot better but there’s still a few issues I can pick out. Japanese is also better but I am disappointed the structure and genre is so similar to Starfall. Placing them one after the other wasn’t a good idea.
>Highlight
Somewhere someone mentioned Highlight sounded like a kpop song. It reminds me of izone who also has a song called highlight. This one is my favorite song and would be good as a group song. Liked the French.
>Trick/Treat
Second favorite song. I feel this fits her voice the best though. I also feel like this one has the best mixing and instrumental/composition.
>Chasing Stars Interlude
It’s so cute and upbeat it reminds me of DDLC. It feels considerably out of place though. I could’ve gone without it honestly.

7/10

>>10677749
chasing stars interlude is her streaming song

>>10677403
Really looking forward to this, they’re really good. It seems breaking from the traditional idol niche is exactly what’s needed nowadays.

>>10677458
Strawberry watermelon slushie and a 6pc nugget please, thanks!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUP7BBGgeRu/?utm_medium=copy_link
Kuro is in the process of making her comeback. Looks like she wants to do it the right way and get a real producer’s help this time. It has done real potential. I hope she gets the help, I really want to see what a producer could do for her.

>>10677877
I’m so happy for Kuro. She’s got so much spirit and her voice isn’t bad at all, with the right help I can see her achieving her full potential!

>>10673578
DESU yes, but the others are working on it. Ria is the only one that has a lot of idol experience. The others were mainly cosplay, dance, and gaming focused before they did a pivot with Citrus Plus.

new Midwest idol group called ichigo-ro released an original song
https://youtu.be/N2rzDYITlAY

>>10677882
Same. I was so afraid she was gonna graduate since she was so inactive honestly. Here’s hoping someone helps her with production.

>>10678438
Luckily singing and dancing can be honed to acceptable performance levels, so I’m gonna keep watching and see what they come out with. I agree though, Ria is the only one who can find a pitch as of now.

>>10678855
4/10. The cinematography was really nice, and decent quality. They can’t really dance and the instrumental was far too loud to hear their voices. I wanna wait before I write them off as “unsalvageable”

>>10678863
>>10678438
considering two other members in citrus plus started performing the same time as Ria, it’s a bit disappointing to see that Ria is the only one who is capable of performing

>>10678895
Wait, three of the members started around the same time and only one is at a performance level….?

That’s just sad.

>>10679025
I blame kpop for the "you must be the best singer and dancer at the start" mentality

>>10679227
who said anything about kpop? those three girls started in 2019 and so far ria is the only one who is bearable to watch in that group
seeing that they are releasing original music soon i am pretty skeptical about how it’s going to go

>>10679519
Honestly I see what anon is trying to say. People have an expectation for everyone to be great and improve at crazy rates and part of it is the popularity of kpop and its growing need for perfection.

With that said, there should still be some growth from the others at some point if they’ve been at it for 2 years. Unless going into it Ria was already a singer in general or she’s done extra training reps, there’s no reason none of the members should’ve grown.

>>10679227
Imo it’s not about the “kpop mentality”, though I will agree that plays a big part of this.
It’s moreso what >>10679519 said:
It’s been two years and no growth. That’s a huge problem.

Me personally, I have no problems with those who start out and are bad. Not everyone is going to have their shit together right out the gate. I have the problem with stagnation/ degradation and just no improvement. The fact that Ria is the one carrying them and they’re about to release an original while having zero type of improvement is deeply alarming to me. I’m willing to see how it goes but yeah, I don’t think that “K-pop mentality” plays as heavy a role as we think it does.

Calina’s made it to Big Brother. Is she giving up on j-idol activities and changing gears towards more general american celeb activities? I’m confused.

>>10680779
Where have you been? We talked about that last thread. No one really knows why she did it. It’s mainly speculation

>>10680779
foreign idols will never get anywhere. period. you idiots are naive to think she was thinking that was a viable career.

>>10680835
chill

>>10680835
Hey man I know things are hard right now. It’s okay if you need someone to talk to and if the stress is too much. Just not here. Go away.

second outfits?

>>10681268
Assume so

>>10681337
meotashi posted on her Instagram selfies in the actual outfits, so definitely second outfits

>>10681438
It looks really good. meotashi is a gift seamstress but I hope one day she gets to experiment with different fabrics. I often see her work uses thin fabrics.

>>10681268
i adore them! plus from meotashi’s selfies the fabrics look really nice too. more excited for this now desu

Damn...bye bye peachy parade. They weren't very active even before the pandemic but it's still a shame.

>>10681744
Oh they finally made it official? I assumed they just quietly disbanded…. Damn what a shame

meotashi's album feels like a power metal album

nevermind it was just the firs two songs. highlight is awful. trick or treat was alright.

>>10681785
No highlight slander

>>10680835
>foreign idols will never get anywhere
just go to kpop*

*if you're asian

>>10681754
They uploaded stuff as recently as a week ago but yeah
I wonder who's next

>>10681788
Even if you get accepted into a company, there's still an extremely slim chance of debuting. You'd be better off staying as a mediocre overseas idol.

My friend showed me this article. I was wondering of any thoughts that came to mind if this was done for overseas idols that sell their chekis. Is it a bit strange? Is it okay since the idols are selling the product and the consumer can use it as they want?

https://soranews24.com/2018/04/17/cheki-han-the-deliciously-delusional-way-japanese-idol-fans-eat-with-their-favorite-singers/

>>10682155
Honestly I don’t think I’d care much as long as they don’t try anything. Yeah it might be weird but lonely people will be lonely.

>>10682155
Considering what they COULD do with those chekki?

This is tame and I’d be ok with selling if I was an idol.

>>10682232
trust me. no one wants photos of you or any other ugly westerners itt.

>>10682261
Lmao I can taste the salt from here

>>10682155
That’s more on the wholesome side of what people can do with cheki, even if it’s a little weird.

>>10682261
you say this but overseas idol groups chekis often sell out same day lol. prismic sold theirs within a couple hours.

>>10682261
Awww are you mad you're tone-deaf?
There are classes beloved.

>>10682325
ya to other western idols. who wants to promote idol culture anyway it's disgusting.

>>10682370
You have to be 18 or older to use 4chan, anon.

>>10682370
your on a 4chan thread about foreign idols, what are you doing here then?

on another note are there any other groups that are worth following ?

>>10682430
what groups are you already into? could help us give you recommendations

>>10680828
>>10680779
She has said before that her brother is a superfan and suggested applying to BB. She's doing an instalive right now and she said she wouldn't play again if invited because of emotional distress it caused with "her loved ones". She's not hiding her jpop and anime fandoms at all.

calina's ig follower count blew up. she needs to drop a banger.

ok maybe not a banger but something solid that will resonate with her old and new fans

>>10682494
well i now live in australia but i follow nonsweet and resoluscia

>>10682752
Ikr, she’s gained like 10k followers after appearing on BB. Makes me want to apply for it myself, just for the mass exposure lmao.

>>10682793
>>10682650
You guys are retarded if you think those are permanent followers.

>>10682811
she'll still have more followers than you, anon

>>10682793
Yeah I'm sure they'll trickle down eventually if she goes back to what she did before BB

>>10682945
What is that response? I'm just being honest, grow up.

Mocha has announced her graduation from Auracle. Thoughts?

>>10683636
First Reso, now Auracle... who's next?

>>10683658
You say that like they've died lol

>>10683763
Help the killer is escaping

>>10683763
Fly high Auracle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4esdPO6W-o

>>10683893
that was their supposed two hour show? disappointing but not surprised

>>10683944
they had another group make up most of that time but they cut them out of the video

>>10683944
the other group that performed with them was a good chunk of the two hours but they didn't really include them in the video all that much

>>10683893
Stop selfposting about your shitty little group and go try con another artist into making you free designs

we haven't heard from weiss since his graduation, even monii (who was always absent) commented on her own graduation post

is it just me or does weiss look super uncomfortable? i don’t like his costume at all

>>10684690
He looks uncomfortable in every photo. Idk why they didn't give him some nice pants instead of whatever weird dress/skirt hybrid he's got going on

>>10684690
Like anon said that’s just how he looks.

>>10684696
It’s shorts (that he or the photographer didn’t fix before shooting) and the “skirt” part is the jacket like the rest of them, it’s just cut differently. If his hands weren’t crossed and it were better constructed (no offense Julia; you just have to start using more structured fabrics when you can), it’d be a lot more clear.

>>10684690
They were probably opting for consistency. He might have looked out of place if he wore pants when the rest didn’t.

Also, I think he’s always nervous looking.

>>10684690
>>10684702
>>10684705
If they wanted consistency, the shorts shouldve at least been a little longer than safety short length...This is tragic design.

>>10684717
I don’t think it’s tragic. It’s actually a common combination (long tail & shorts). But the execution & structure is poor.

>>10684776
What’s that white string attached to? I just can’t figure it out.

>>10684780
I won’t lie I have NO fucking idea.

While the music video isn’t out yet, the song is out. It’s billed as “Cold Case (feat. Weiss Oliver)” which makes me think it’s possible a while ago they decided to continue as four but announce it recently.

With that said the song is…. Okay? The compression on it is horrible but I can’t tell if that’s an issue with my audio or not. The lyrics aren’t that great and the speaking feels very dead. I do like Nikki’s voice but Penguin sticks out in a bad way during her parts. I really hope the music video is better.

>>10684807
Where is the song released?

>>10684811
Apple Music & Amazon. Not seeing it on Spotify.

has plazmatriq delayed their premier to next year? she deleted her posts and put 10.3.22 in the bio. its disappointing how many idols get so close to debuting and then nothing actually happens. (looking at you still, vveil)

>>10684876
What is your problem with vveil? They didn’t even formally present their members on the page so how are you expecting them to release anything? Kind of a weird comparison to make.

>>10684943
Their point is vveil was holding auditions and seemed to be preparing activities only to suddenly go “sorry not happening.”

>>10684807 here. Premiere just ended. The music video is cute and it’s cool they actually shot on a train & had some extras.

>>10684951
I didn’t know saying ‘preparing for 2022’ was ‘sorry not happening’ but alright… and again, it still didn’t really answer the question of why that group continuously gets dragged when they’ve done nothing to merit it.

>>10684958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jwHmoGAPpA

>>10684959
Nobody is dragging vveil. Nobody had ever dragged them. They were planning to debut this year and even made hype about it and a lot of people were excited. And then suddenly they postponed.

>>10684961
Literally without fail, every time a new group in FL debuts or releases something VVeil get’s brought up somehow.. especially when it comes to Prismic and Reso…
Can’t really say much about building hype since I didn’t follow until after their debut 2022 announcement so I can’t say for sure there. Regardless is weird to hold someone accountable who made no announcements besides ‘scouting’ and ‘debut in 2022’ from what is currently on their IG lol

>>10684960
yeah idk about this. the dance is cute, the videography and set is very cool, but the singing falls flat again. the speaking parts are bad. nikki’s ending note is fantastic though.

>>10684969
I agree. The visuals and effort into the music video itself is wonderful and very nice to watch. The song itself is just a little underwhelming for me.

>>10684960
its boring

Cannot get over the white string off of Weiss’ shorts they just left there in all the shots and pics.

>>10684963
>every time a new group in FL debuts or releases something VVeil get’s brought up somehow
Not really?
>Can’t really say much about building hype since I didn’t follow until after their debut 2022 announcement so I can’t say for sure there
>from what is on their IG
So you admit to not being around when they were actually active. Shut the fuck up and sit down. Between January and July, they were constantly posting and hyping (on both stories and on their page) the stuff they are working on. Instagram posts can be archived. Members were introduced. Don’t blame someone else cause you weren’t there and didn’t see it.

>>10685045
Damn that really got you heated huh? They posted about themselves only on stories… and the only hype they ever made was recording also… on stories… so if they did more than that please enlighten me lol.

Did you just get rejected from their auditions or something the anger seems personal.

>>10685048
If I got rejected from their auditions why would I be disagreeing with >>10684943 & other anons? I’m also not even in Florida. The group made comments about the projects they were working on and a few times said themselves “we’re quiet because we’re working.” Hell Koda seemed to be working more on vveil than with mw which was a major topic of discussion in January and February. The overall point is they were a group people looked forward to and seemed to be on way to debut then hit everyone with “oops not rn.” Genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if they never came back.

>>10685052
TFW no vampire idol waifus :(

>>10685052
Initial part does not make sense but regardless, their last post mentions that life circumstances happened not allowing them to do things this year. I think we all forget they are all human…vampires in this case… and most of them are doing this as a hobby, not a job. If they want to give us something good and we have to wait, it’s just your decision then to do that or not.

Plasma just posted as to how they did not debut because what they had planned did not represent them, both in character and song, so, more likely than not the same or similar might be happening to vveil.
And if they never come back, is their decision to do so too lol, they owe us nothing.

>>10685010
>>10685003
What are you on about? Its literally only in that one photo whatever it is.

>>10684971
Imo, nonsweet's songs are better. Mini game was a bop.

>>10685059
I’m not saying they aren’t human and that things don’t happen. Things do happen & I know just as well as anyone but what >>10684876 said is fair and still applies to them. >>10684943 took it upon themselves to say anon had an issue just because they looked forward to something that had some semblance of promise because of who was involved.

>>10685092
this isn't a competition

>>10685097
Shocking news: people have opinions about music. more at eleven.

>>10685003
Wow thank you for your constructive and valuable comment

>>10685092
Honestly it was okay but the progression in some areas was very weird. At one point you expect a more rock-like chorus but get something akin to English translated anime idol.

Didn’t vveil have four members? What happened to the fourth? (´ー｀) I genuinely don’t think vveil will happen however. A shame really, all these groups are losing or members are graduating.

>>10685162
Constantly bringing up veil like this might deter them from debuting if that's something they ever end up wanting to do. Think about it, they're being scrutinized and brought up constantly when they haven't even done anything.
I know it's 4chan so it comes with the territory, but I wonder what effects these threads have on the idols that are being brought up.
So many groups are losing members or graduating and people then come on here to complain that the group disbanded or someone graduated. But then while the group was active people would only post negative things on here. It's also not even constructive criticism most of the time.
The idol community was growing but now cause of all the people leaving it feels like it is shrinking. It's mostly covid but I can't imagine these threads help.

>>10685328
This thread made me leave the community because of how two faced it made everyone in my circles. I ended up cutting a lot of people off. I used to be so involved in multiple projects but my mental health and life have gotten better after leaving. I don't regret it.

>>10685333
Also a big reason why I left as well.

>>10685328
i've spoken to idols about this so if this sounds familiar don't @ me quite yet, but i've thought a bit about going all in on a reddit. the one i had seen done before didn't have a ton of work put into it, but i've run fb groups and discords and sorta know where i want to start with a reddit. it would still be a place to post idols you've found, and giving critiques would still be allowed, but it's not as anonymous as 4chan, and won't get as many "no one cares about this community anyways" (which comes with the 4chan territory imo)
im sorta ready to do this and im prepared to carry it for the first little while when content is slow, but would any of you actually post on a reddit if there was one as active as this thread is?

>>10685338
I'm >>10685328
I think the reddit is a fantastic idea

>>10685338
I would post on the Reddit and it’d be a lot easier to keep up and contain conversations. Some idols could even post their own works and stuff.

>>10685338
I don't think this would get as much attention and it would just turn into the fb groups and discord servers where everyone is afraid to actually be honest. That's why the anonymity helps.

>>10685352
Two people in this thread have just said that these threads were a big reason for their leaving the community. How are these threads helping anyone?
I would agree with you if the anonymity was sparking actual useful commentary and not whatever the fuck goes on in these threads.

>>10685352
I'm reddit anon and reddit still technically has anonymity if that's a thing that draws you in. The only reason people know my reddit is me is because I use the same username as everywhere else, and plenty of people don't do that on reddit.

>>10685354
I’ve see both sides of the coin. Yes most times this thread is actually quite bad. But I’ve been part of these threads for years. There’s been plenty where genuine discussion and critique has been given. A big problem here is there’s a lot of finger pointing, name calling, and fighting like earlier with the vveil thing. Unfortunately, that doesn’t just go away by using Reddit of all places. Hopefully things will change but knowing Reddit, it’s hard to tell sometimes.

Realistically we need to start speaking honestly about idols in the idol spaces. Idols have got to stop being so resistant to feedback especially if they want to move on and be seen as artists.

>>10685369
Some idols may not want the feedback. And from what I've seen, a lot of online showcase material that gets put out is hot trash. Vocals, mixing, art are all horrible. Yet everyone still gives them a gold star and goes 'omg so good!!'. I'm pretty sure there's an area they can go for constructive criticism but it's also hard to give because you have to take the person's age and skill level into consideration. You can't just compare a 13 year old in their bedroom dancing to a skilled adult in a studio with a much higher budget. Like how do you correctly critique without pointing out everything that needs improvement and sounding mean? Lol

>>10685369
I can agree to this. I know plenty of idols who just want people to be honest with them so that they can improve but they end up having to come here because no one else is willing to give them the feedback they need/want.

>>10685375
Or they use the “I do this just for fun sToP bULlYinG mE” as a response

>>10685375
Not wanting feedback, while an arguably bad trait for any artist to have, is perfectly valid. The issue is it’s a giant circle jerk because a lot of people use horrible defenses like >>10685385 says. I’m not trying to compare independent creators of any age to those with a large backing, however if you are someone who is wanting to do this and create a following out of it then you need to listen when people say “you should work on x by doing y.” There’s things someone can do on their own to improve their skillsets. And an honest fact is whether or not you want feedback or criticism, you’re going to get it from someone somewhere at some point. The community as a whole just has an issue with coddling each other to avoid being “mean.”

>>10685395
i'm all for feedback, but shit like >>10685003
isn't feedback, and this thread feels ripe with stuff like that sometimes.

>>10685408
yes it is, it's not your job to decide what is and isn't criticism. your opinion isn't more important than people you don't agree with.

>>10685409
constructive criticism would aim to help the creator in the right direction. why is it boring to them what could help improve that experience for all of their audience?

I think there’s also a problem with what is given praise here on the forum though. Groups that are often putting the most effort in seem to get the most criticism and it’s often not constructive… will the forum ever be satisfied?

>>10685409
opinions and critiques are two different things. the definition of critique involved a detailed analysis, not just stating something. even if it was "it's boring because of x" that's more of a critique. it is an opinion, but it's not criticism,

I personally think it's a good idea to have multiple types of fests, the regular ones where both 13 year olds dancing in their bedroom and high quality studio productions can both get positive reinforcement (because with encouragement those 13 year olds could grow into the types to create high quality content later) but also more competitive/'professional' events such as the overseas idol competition last year which offer feedback and constructive criticism and focus on growth/improvement

Then there's a mix of things being available for all levels and something for those who are really striving to improve and want to hear the real feedback

>>10685453
I think this is a good take.

I think we have to ask at this point what the bigger issue is.
Is it the idols that can't accept criticism?
or is it the people that go posting vague, unhelpful negative comments on 4chan?


If enough idols decide that they've had enough there won't be any community left to "improve."

I think >>10685385 could maybe be true for 13 year olds, but has anyone in this thread who has left negative comments about a group actually commented those things on videos or DMed those idols to ask if they wanted critique?

For the most part, this is a strawman argument. I have personally never seen someone who's actively involved in he idol community react like this unless they were underage.
People in this thread act like commenting "boring" or constantly speculating about vveil is doing a service to the idol community when you know it's just shit talking. You can comment it, but don't pretend that it's helpful in any capacity.
You can't have it both ways.

>>10685408
Realistically, any response to a release is feedback. Feedback, criticism, & constructive criticism all overlap with each other.

>>10685439
Unfortunately a lot of critiques and criticism are based on personal preference but that doesn’t mean an artist can’t use it to their advantage. It’s part of picking out what could be the problem if it’s not explicitly stated. Did you have something you felt was boring but kept it in? You could also ask.

>>10685466
Again, it’s both. I remember when Stellure was around and there was the cousin fucker fiasco. The girls were 15 to 17 at the time. 4chan pointed out how they could’ve done a lot of stuff better and while some of it was rude in nature, it still could’ve been helpful. Mimi (17 at the time) came on and made a rant about how nobody knows what they’re talking about and how hard it is to run a group.

Then there’s the pink girl (if you know you know), who even when given positive and constructive criticism, decided everyone was bullying her. That was in non-anon spaces as well as here.

I personally have left comments on virtual idols and irl idol videos with constructive criticism (both praising what they did well and giving tips on what they did poorly). Sometimes the group would react poorly, sometimes fans would react poorly.

It’s been mentioned before too but we also have to stop the mentality that any kind of competition is bad competition. We can’t all be friends all the time. OIC I feel worked well only because there’s more than one prize and everyone gets recognized in one way or another. But bring up an ACTUAL competition (like someone has done in OIC discord before) and it’s shot down because of potentially breeding bad competition and hurting people’s feelings. And this comes from people of all ages.

>>10685487
The competition issue also brings the issue of who is fit to judge. Running the competition and/or judging in it can lead anyone open to criticism and backlash.

>>10685490
That’s also a really valid point.

Not sure what my favorite songs are from this year but Timeslip and that one Paida song are definitely in the running.

>>10685496
The future bass song, not the recent one.

>>10685496
I’ve really loved Paida’s Future Town, Ayumi’s Starting Line, and NonSweet’s Mini Game so far.

reminder you're all beautiful to me
even if cgl and lolcow hate you i still like you

>>10685439
no they're not. you're bolstering the definition of critique.

>>10685523

>>10685523
Critique is a statement that allows an open discussion. A statement like "this is boring" is an opinion that is not. While both can derive from an opinion or bias, it's how you say it. Just saying something is boring without stating WHY it is boring to you, or how it could improve based on your impression, is a plain opinion.

>>10685338
I would genuinely use Reddit, it’s less commitment than a Discord server and we could link to subs with helpful content like r/MusicTheory or r/songwriters. It’s easy to promote yourself on, and I know there’s at least one fan of overseas idol stuff on r/jpop. Sorry for the sperg, but I concur.

>>10684971
It’s the same old story, interesting backing track, good vocalists, and beautiful visuals but everything gets caught up in the lyrics. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: idols, PLEASE take a few lessons (even self taught) in poetry and songwriting, it’s invaluable. The overseas idol songs I sing along to aren’t bogged down by arrhythmic meter and clunky word choice. It makes all the difference, it really does.

>>10685595
Yep it's way too wordy and jumbled to where you can't even understand WTF they're saying sometimes and it makes the actual melody hard to remember. I've watched the video twice and still could not replicate it because it just feels all over the place.

What is worth noting is that the idols who geninuly just do this for fun don't need critique/criticism. You don't go around to artists and tell them their work needs different colours or better line weight or to cosplayers to tell them their wig isn't accurate or they need to work on their makeup, how is idol any different? I just don't understand it. Sure if you are paying an artist for commission or they ask for concrit you can give it, if an idol is professional or ask for concrit you can give it- but my understanding is most idols just want to have fun... not to be chewed up and spit out by anons online for simply existing. (Sorry for the wording English isn't my first language)

>>10685706
Just because you don’t want criticism doesn’t mean it won’t happen. Your example of an artist & cosplayer aren’t honestly good examples because it happened all the time. When popular artists release work, both the public and critics will talk about their work and say what they do and don’t like or what they should work on even if it’s not to their face. When you put any kind of art out, you are opening yourself to criticism. I also believe doing things for fun doesn’t exclude you from criticism or critique. I do want to point out though some people who perform these songs for fun use that defense when someone points out something as simple as not knowing the steps. More times than not, it comes off as lazy rather than genuine interest and fun.

>>10685706
firstly you’re english is fine!
secondly, if groups are out there asking for money and funds to promote their original music and content including costuming, merchandise, performances etc then it is well beyond ‘just a hobby’.
these so-called idols need to realise it’s no longer just a hobby and theyve turned themselves into a business more or less and they need to learn to take criticism from wherever regardless. there shouldn’t be an excuse to not take criticism and advice no matter how it’s worded or how bad it is.
because if people keep encouraging terrible skills or lack of talent because the community doesn’t reciprocate to criticism or the group/idol won’t take it, there’s no improvement and to be frank a bad judge of character

i wish some people itt would get the sticks out of their asses. everyone bitching about criticism vs critique vs whatever is pathetic particularly because no one here is going to provide any professional criticism anyway. everyone itt is either fans or other idols, so anyone criticizing the way anyone else leaves comments is embarrassing.

>>10685733
fucking this. this is why people won't take us seriously. we are already at a disadvantage because the idol industry doesn't exist overseas formally and there's no real place for idols in the regular music industry. most idols in japan are trying to break into the idol industry specifically and it's harder for us to do that so why wouldn't you want all the opinions you can get? critiques are just constructive opinions, criticism isn't, it can be anything, constructive or otherwise. and even if it's just a hobby, why would you want to be shit at your hobby and block any feedback? i want harsh opinions so i can work with it.

most groups don't make money, they sell just enough merch to keep more projects. Photographers, costumes, locations, dance studios... it all cost money which does still majorly come out of pocket- not to mention to amount of time that goes into practice and editing... its a lot of work. Idol groups are expensive and it just sucks to see these groups working so hard then getting given unfair hate. I don't mean critique or advice here, I mean genuine hate. Discussing how to improve is totally fine! Wanting to invest in your favourite group and then giving advice or concrit is lovely- But the way some people here say some nasty shit with either no actual understanding on how hard idol is or with no idea what the group does/what their community is... this came out as a long winded ramble but I just wanted to make the note here that idols are still people too. Very largely they are people putting passion and soul into this work. sure getting hate on the internet comes with the territory but this community would be so much better if everyone was just... nice to each other, you know?

>>10685756
Unfortunately, and I hate to say this but it’s true, people need to grow thicker skins. If any groups are getting money (even if it’s going right out to support projects), they need to listen to what the people who are buying and potentially buying are saying. I do not agree with blind hate but it’s up to the idols to take that blind hate and flip it. Unfortunately hate is subjective. To some hate is unkind words like “you suck,” but to others it’s anything except blind praise.

>Their vocals are horrible
>These costumes are hideous
>Their dancing is way too sloppy
>Why would you upload without knowing the moves
>X member is bringing the whole group down
These are all comments I’ve seen on this board at one point or another. These are often marked as hate which, they can be. But it’s up to whoever it’s about if they see it to fix it. If someone says your vocals are bad, try using YouTube tutorials. Costumes are hideous, try looking into design and/or construction help. If you don’t know moves or someone says you’re bringing the group down, look into any extra help you can get. Practice a little more than you have been. Do what you can to prove the person who said that they were wrong.

I want to reiterate that your defenses are valid. However, we can’t be nice to ever 24/7. That’s what got us here in the first place. Once everyone expected niceness, anything but became unacceptable.

I understand what you're saying, and I do agree people are too sensitive- but there is also a stark difference between saying "next time you should try vocal warm ups" or "I think the shape of your skirt is a bit odd" compared to outright calling something trash. If someone fails a math test a teacher will tell them to study more, not that they're shit and make every other student look like a joke. Maybe rather than "niceness" per say, mutual respect would make life easier on everyone. Being bitter regardless of the situation gets no one anywhere.

Again I agree people are over sensitive, and I agree niceness is a bit of a stretch but at least give something to build upon, or say "I like their costumes but..." or "its good they're trying something new, but..."

>>10685775
Again, like I said, idols are always going to get comments that aren’t constructive. It’s not realistic to expect everyone to be constructive. That’s why I said it’s sometimes up to idols to take negative comments and turn them around. While there’s more work in turning around someone saying “this is trash,” the examples I gave aren’t that difficult to work through. A math teacher would likely get reprimanded for saying that. That’s not a fair comparison at all.

>>10685775
do you realize the irony of this? you are describing what criticism is but telling people to ignore it. do you think famous musicians actually ignore people saying they suck? no. there's no place for tone policing in criticism, you just have to grow up and learn nuance.

Again my English isn't great some im not sure I'm getting my point across. I didn't mean to say for idols to ignore it, we all need it to grow. I just wanted to say that if you- the person reading this- have ever made a comment that is shitty in this thread.. maybe try to be a bit more constructive. I don't mean the whole world, we can't ask that of everyone. I just mean its better for everyone's own health to not be *as* negative as some people are- not everyone- just some. I love idol, I love the community growing and people trying new things and for the most part fans are lovely people to with, but if you need to hide behind an anon tag to say mean shit maybe it isn't the most 'constructive' comment in the world.

I apologise i can't word myself anybetter... I agree with everyone here I just wish people to cause less grief than there needs to be.

>>10685789
Part of the problem is people white knighting and tone policing comments the thread. It's not your job to tell others how to post, if you don't like something you should ignore it not call it out. Replying to comments you think are too harsh just makes you look stupid and derails the thread, and is probably embarrassing for the groups themselves if you're defending them from meanies. If people wanted to post something nice, they would, get over it.

>>10685487
I remember Stella (the pink one) said she was the one who came and made the cousin fucker comment here. Mimi had been reading the thread, not posting, according to Stella some years ago.

Regardless, that showed that they all grew with age anyway.

>>10685813
Wow I didn’t know that! Thanks for the correction.

>>10685813
can someone explain this whole cousin fucker thing to me?

>>10686018
It was just Stella from Stellure in like 2016 making a comment here when they received poor feedback on their debut. She called the posters cousin-fuckers in the comment she made and went on a rant. They were all like 15/16/17 then though, so it’s old news in all aspects. Not to mention Stellure is long dead anyway.

https://youtu.be/TubUwfgS5bc

opinions? this was posted a month ago but it looks like the engagement for the announcement is poor then again the whole video looks like it came straight from stock videos and templates and more cheap than usual
the little vocal cover snippet at the start didn’t help excite me either. this is the same group ria is in right?
bringing it back to all the talk about criticism and critique, this is what i’m concerned about. their performances are at best, ok? i worry for one of the members voice because all she does is scream and the only good vocal covers coming from this group seem to be only from ria and yet their coming out with an album.

>>10686255
Yes this is the same group Ria is in. Tearschu (green) is one of the weakest however she does have personal covers recently that showcases her voice differently than in this group:
>https://youtu.be/J6JmWPf3KQc
>https://youtu.be/IXOdNV3Xwo8
>https://youtu.be/NeHNLU1aBLk
These are mixed but I’ve also heard her live without other vocals playing on top (which Citrus Plus does a lot). She’s a lot more competent in these than within the group which begs the question: why or how is that possible? Could it simply be the timing and she has improved a lot within the past few months or is due to some songs? I can’t speak for the others but I do follow Tearschu.

For the group as a whole, I honestly am not too too worried for the album as long as it’s handled like this cover:
https://youtu.be/NZ6IAm-XOjQ
Tearschu is tuned to hell and back for her first line and parts of her second lines, but overall everyone doesn’t sound as bad as previous covers. I genuinely don’t believe any of the citrus members are BAD singers but Ria is simply far ahead of them. Like I mentioned above, I couldn’t tell you why Tearschu’s own covers are better than the stuff she puts out for citrus. If the album production is similar to their most recent group cover above, I think it’ll be just fine.

>>10685706
If we can't bitch about people we have nothing to talk about. They will then have no fanbase or support. The same people on their posts being encouraging are the same people bitching honestly here. The community isn't talented or large enough to just talk about everyone's strengths or enjoy the content. There's limited content and limited talent. The bitching and criticism is the community.

>>10686255
I totally agree with this comment. Nothing has come out that excites me. Where is this new album and content? All we seem to be getting is vocal covers.

Ria is the only one to even pay attention to at this point.

>>10686297
this so much. thank you.

>>10686298
>where is this new album
The video says the album coming out in the spring. They have a new cover premiering tomorrow. Hopefully it has the same quality as the last that >>10686260 posted.

None of this is as deep as u all make it out to be lol, say/do what u want and let others do what they want. Netidol is glorified karaoke. some of u pretend its life or death

>>10686369
Most of the people that are posted here are people who perform at cons or other events and aren’t internet based so I don’t get your point. Even if net idols were still a major thing same would still apply so.

>>10686260
I think tears has a very specific voice that needs certain songs to go with, and as a part of Citrus, they're just not the right songs for her.

>>10686369
If these groups are holding live events and performing not just at cons and online then people should have the right to discuss and share their opinion.

Besides it wouldn't surprise me if most of the comments placed on here are from members of other Australian groups.

>>10686531

I give her some credit for the hustle but like surely she knows by now she's not the strongest.

Vocal training wouldn't hurt if she's keen to take this more seriously.

>>10686531
agreed. im glad she found songs that she suits but i hope they find more songs that suit them

https://youtu.be/4urHorLtSk4
Citrus Plus’ new cover. I think it’s a good cover and some of the issues people pointed out earlier aren’t here however as a personal pet peeve I hate quick songs sang as a group. It almost never sounds in unison.

Calina changed her Instagram username. Does anyone else think she’s gonna leave the idol community completely in favour of going mainstream?

>>10686949
Calina’s always aimed to be more of a mainstream singer hence why she dropped actually calling herself an idol. Her bio still states she liked anime, cosplay, & idols so I think she’ll still support but I wouldn’t be surprised if she took this opportunity to make non-idol inspired music.

>>10686949
We don't deserve her anyways. She's too talented and I'm excited to see her leave this toxic crabs in a bucket space. It goes to show we don't need to be limited by this community to be successful.

>>10686949
>>10686953
to be fair, looking at her social media it seems she’s pretty keen on actually keeping the same style, like anon above said i think she’ll just avoid the term “idol” - which a lot of us seem to do now?

even on her new cameo she mentions being the performer Calina before BB23.

>>10686825
It's ok at best

>>10686993
What would’ve made it better then?

>>10686949
she made an entire post about it that explains why she changed. it makes sense to me, her new fans know her as sarah beth, not calina. she says she'll keep her content the same.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CVD4A7Gvo4o/?utm_medium=copy_link new prismic member! she's very cute

>>10686949
I so happy she'll finally get the recognition she deserves for her singing! Watching her old streams with less than 10 people I felt for her not really being able to grow an audience. Her love of musicals and disney songs will probably go over with the new mainstream fans a lot better than her weeb jpop side.

>>10686775
>>10686531
>>10686260

New original song from Tearschu, Cambodian Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hs_YYLShVk

The flow is a little awkward in the middle verse but it's a damn solid track, this style fits her very well. The lyric writing overall is impressive for a first outing and avoids a lot of the awkward traps I see from other original songs.

>>10672284
whats the context of the shirt burning

>>10688976
I've seen a lot of complaints on these threads about awkward lyric flow, so I've tried looking up videos or articles to help learn how to write lyrics that don't feel awkward.
When I try to look this up, I only get vague results like "Write lyrics about your own personal experiences", and nothing about poetry or meter.
Do you have any suggestions on where to look or maybe even examples of what's good and what's bad?

>>10689014
It’s different with singing and rap, but there’s still a few things you can do in terms of singing:
>find a melody within the instrumental
When I was doing improv with my vocal coach, I had issues humming. She told me to find a single instrument within the instrumental (typically a prominent one) and hum to that. Over time, you’ll get a hang of what “goes well” or compliments with what you’re hearing. But it takes time and creating interesting melodies from scratch is considerably more difficult if you have no musical background.
>avoid wordy phrasing with pre-made melodies
This often happens in translyric covers. It’ll be a super simple phrase but translated into English it becomes extremely long. People try to fit it all into that single melody and it doesn’t work. Work on changing phrasing that will fit the melody. A lot of people try to keep syllable count as well but I find that makes it trickier. It’s okay to extend or shorten syllables instead of adding extra ones.

I feel like I'm missing something, Tearschus singing isn't good? Its monotone and scratchy

>>10689324
Objectively in singing skill she's still pretty weak but she's made big improvements since she started.

>>10689014
The three most common issues I see from the utaite/amateur community is trying to fit too many syllables in a phrase, sticking too hard to proper grammar, and use of very declarative statements in lyrics.

The first one is pretty common when writing english versions of songs because of the fundamental differences in english and japanese structure, and it's difficult to avoid. Japanese has very compartmentalized syllables nearly all in a consonant-vowel sequence pair and english has a lot of flowy, stretchy, consonant-only sounds. Trying to both translate meaning and fit words into an existing melody is extremely difficult to do. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices in literal meaning and try to recreate the general mood of the song instead, or make small melody changes like stretch out english syllables over two notes.

I think this is often apparent in SYA's songs because they were written with japanese language in mind first, since they were composed by SHUN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DxOO_Tzofo
In Phoebe's song Through the Microphone there's a pattern of [Do thing] and [we'll do thing] where the "and" doesn't quite work for me, I think it might have been written in Japanese first.
https://feebeechanchibi.bandcamp.com/track/through-the-microphone
For the most part her EP is a good example of how to do lyrics right.

>>10689382
The second are somewhat tied together and are apparent in certain structures. There is sometimes an overall sense that a song is written too conversationally, like a person talking to another, and not "poetically" enough. Conversational lyrics can work, like in Eminem's Stan, but not really for most idol songs about broad dreams and nonspecific love. Never be afraid to break proper grammar or cut out words if something sounds good or fits better.

For examples, here on the line starting "The future's so unclear..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KQqEqta9fs
In this one, the intro is awkward but the verse starting from "Turn the page.." is much better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v6_BLmZNu8

>>10689383
*The second and third

new amuse costumes

https://youtu.be/UL2jbIR2mAw
new cover from auracle, last one with mocha maybe?

>>10690786
now these i like

Fucking hell Julily.
At this point it seems like she has beef with nearly everyone she’s ever come into contact with. What’s that saying that goes something like ‘if there’s a problem with everyone around you maybe the problem isn’t them’?

>>10692494
I really don't know what she's trying to accomplish at this point? She's literally putting her speculation and personal drama out into the public and it's just a bad look. She has been going on and on about the same old shit for years it seems like. Just let it go and move on. Nobody really cares.

>>10692674
Same anon. Warning people about harmful individuals such as scammers/predators/racists etc is one thing, but putting people in this community on blast for POTENTIAL bullying and/or gossiping is just ridiculous and immature. Like grow up.

>>10692677
and the worst thing is that she seems just as guilty based on how she's acting.

>>10692494
God this is such a mess. I've told her before to avoid doing stuff like this and to handle personal issues in DMs/with the person involved, but she didn't listen to my advice I guess.

>>10692747
She wouldn't listen to anything I said either so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ feel ya there.

For a lot of the things Julily tries to criticize, she ended up doing and being the same. She complains about people assuming things and not DMing/confronting issues but look at where she is now...
ALSO THE WAY SHE ARGUED ABOUT THE SEMANTICS ABOUT PEDOPHILIA??? and her blaming a girl for being groomed...? what the hell lmao all this does is make her look like a complete asshole, I cannot believe this is a real human being at all

>>10692761
It's unbelievably disgusting to see her victim blaming a girl who has sexual trauma for dealing with hypersexuality and being groomed due to it. Sure, Tama made her own mistakes during this situation, but to see her defending Ryo and invalidating Tama's experiences made me sick to my stomach. Especially when she was a teenager during most/all of this...

>>10692763
The fact that she continually tries to defend and then simultaneously wants to destroy ryo is baffling to me. She's legitimately insane and obsessive and I don't see her stopping this type of behavior any time soon. She's gonna keep beating a dead horse until she dies.

>>10692494
Does Julily even make idol content anymore?
She is always so picky about who is "worthy" of being an idol and how people should act. And yet, she contributes nothing to the community except creating drama and discord.

>>10692677
This is insane.

It's been said before but she really needs professional help. Not saying this to make fun of her, but saying this because her behavior is concerning. I really hope she gets better. But she pulls something like this every once in a while, gets called out, says she's working on herself, and then the cycle repeats.

Could someone give a TLDR of everything please?

>>10692961
>Does Julily even make idol content anymore?
She had a virtual ‘idol graduation’ thing last year iirc, but she still stirs up shit in the community, so idek anymore

>>10692761
It was really jarring to read all that - I’ve tried to steer clear of all her drama up until now, so maybe I’m just missing context, but I honestly have no idea what she was trying to accomplish here? A lot of the screenshots showed the others in a bad light, but most of them made her look at least as bad. The Discord screenshots especially had me really confused, like did she think her manipulation was a good look?? And she couldn’t seem to decide who was the bad guy in her story… idk it was just weird and confusing.

I don't doubt her when she talks about the abuse she's suffered. You don't get to her state without your parents and school life really fucking you up.

I respect her efforts to make a serious go of the idol and it's a shame that somehow she keeps ending up together with flaky people and backstabbers.

It's disheartening to see her muddle a good and proactive message about a potential manipulator, grifter, and abuser with all of her other personal dirty laundry.

>>10692747
She never listens so don't feel bad. It's why we aren't friends now.....

>>10692494
Something about her saying that Tama was "living out a lesbian fantasy" through being in the group in her letter to AmbiFlora is uncomfortable to say the least. Why even bring another member's sexuality up?

>>10693512
this was honestly so fucking gross to me and any credibility that she may have had was washed away with that statement. honestly it's so fucking delusional. julily needs therapy and to shut the fuck up about a community she is no longer in.

>>10693512
i’m guessing it’s the screenshot where apparently tama put a joke rule that says something like “be gay and get married to the other members”. julily just has it in there like it’s proof of abuse and bullying by the other members. she’s got some serious issues.

>>10693673
I missed the lesbian fantasy line and thought that was just her saying that tama wasn’t taking it seriously (which is already kinda like LOL this is a h o b b y but whatever), that’s even worse now wtf

>>10692963
Ikr I feel like I'm missing something big..... I'm gonna check the farms too just in case.

So there was almost a physical fight between some idols backstage at starlight idol festival? Anyone have details?

>>10672284

this is just kind of a thought paragraph about this community to see if anyone agrees with me and maybe we can think of a way to revive it.

it seems like this community is all over the place now and it's becoming much less of a community and more of an online genre of content. i personally don't think there will even be a net idol community like there was years ago after all of the recent graduations, changes, drama, and content shift. it seems to me that being a net idol is cringier than it ever has been when people who achieve any success immediately drop the title and the community.

i'm also seeing more and more groups that never get mentioned here and are pretty successful, but groups that do get mentioned here seem to get overly criticized, attract negativity, and disband pretty quickly. more people are stepping away from the community because there is no consistent hub to promote that isn't negative. talking to friends a lot of people decided to stop being net idols because the negativity and two faced behavior made it challenging to collaborate or support people.

personally i've taken a step back from the community and have been watching it's decline recently, and the fact i cannot name a lot of notable performers who actually belong to this community, call themselves idols, and are spoken about here is saying something.

>>10693966
All the good people who either contributed content or created special events left the community for the same reasons. No one will be as great as the veterans because no one challenged them.

>>10693966
It stopped being a community and more of a genre because of the lack of standards and requirements that made it so niche in the past. Instead of what it used to be, its now a giant merged pot of 3+ other communities and now it's no longer special, especially since as anon above mentioned, the veterans who made the idol community feel like an actual idol community are leaving and all that's left behind are all these half-shodded groups and individuals that are left with the forethought of the "glory days", and no direction nor properly placed effort to follow in their footsteps and keep alive what once was. "Everybody is an idol" is an idea that was so heavily pushed for, and look where it got us now.

>>10693966
I've stepped back too. Say what you want, and as bad as she's gotten, julily had a vision that could have worked out had cosplayers not come in and demanded they be allowed the same space as content makers. I feel like that was the beginning to the decline.

Honestly maybe it's best to let the net idol craze kill itself so we can be done. No one is serious and anyone who is doesn't really call themselves a net idol.

If we do decide to revive it, there needs to be some gatekeeping this time, and I don't think I'm the only one who thinks this. From what I've seen, the common denominator are the ones who never make original content who have the most drama with them. Eliminate this and create a central hub for performers like OIC should have been..... Maybe then the community could bounce back.

>>10693964
No, all of the idols were incredibly friendly with each other and there were zero issues between performers. I don’t know where a rumor like this would have come out because it was such a friendly event this year

>>10693966
This. All of this. Groups also seem too obsessed with being "big" quickly rather than slowing down and releasing good content sporadically.

The community is also so toxic (not the fault of cosplayers or original idols) at this point that I don't want to be involved in it.

>>10694006
>let the net idol craze kill itself so we can be done

This. It was fun while it lasted, but outside of like Melopara, Nonsweet (because they seem to have industry support) and Amuse...I can't really see anyone else growing because the content has become Disney Channel wannabees fighting with each other for clout from each other.

>>10694026
What are you talking about? There was so much whispering and rude comments this year. I'm side eyeing everyone.

>>10694029
I don't really get why groups like melopara
(have they done any original content? isn't it just covers?) get included in this conversation but Resoluscia doesn't. maybe I'm just a stan, but Resoluscia seems like they're trying really hard to create and post original content fairly regularly, while a lot of people here really don't like them for some unknown reason

>>10694104
Cause they're jealous lol

There’s so few groups to actually care about now and in those groups, most are older. I think there’s only one I care to still keep up with that’s not usually talked about and that’s idoll academy but they’ve not really don’t anything since otakon.

>>10694107
is it bc reso has a fan base that is outside of your typical net idol fans? like a lot of their fans come from the three members other projects?

>>10694126
Honestly I only really care about soloists now, they’re hit or miss but the ones who hit are usually great

>>10694104
melopara haven't done anything, so I have no idea how they end up being talked about.

Hell, even Neonism have done even more than them

Ok so let’s ask this, because I really want to see the community thrive again, or at least be revamped so we can get serious. We constantly bitch and moan about who does what and what needs to be where….
What, in your opinion, needs to change?

A few ideas I have, while keeping to the structure that OIC should have been:
>let go of the “overseas idol” term entirely

> gatekeeping (this is part of the problem as there is no clear line), keeping original idols, instrumentalists, and cosplay dancers separated so there isn’t a clash between the three….. I mean if we’re gonna be seeing the flautist and pianist at every event we might as well include them….

> would love to see the revival of the mentor program

> a database of producers, songwriters and videographers based on location and region (some won’t travel, some will up to a certain area)

> a jury that makes decisions regarding behavior, blacklistings and so on, rather than one singular head

And something that I just would find fun:
> an “elder club” like momusu had for those who are over a determined age. Club activities could be determined further down the road as well as trips just for the older ones maybe….

>>10694104
A lot of the criticism they face is valid, though. Their MVs are pretty, but the vocals and lyrics leave so much to be desired. Tbh, if they took a break to work on their lyrics and vocals they would be a stellar group. It may hurt to hear this but Resoluscia doesn't stand out that much vocally, and their dancing is alright. No matter how pretty their MVs and art are. You can put makeup on a pig, but it'll always be a pig at the end of the day. People talk about them critically because they're not really bringing much to the table other than nice looking music videos.

>>10694155
OIC admins are looking for someone to take over. Have you thought about proposing this and asking to take over?

>>10694223
If, and only if I had someone to help me with this. I’m horrible with executing plans by myself, and if this is going to happen, I would need at least 4 more who wouldn’t mind being hated by the hug crowd.

But I wouldn’t mind taking over OIC.

Did anyone catch Peachy Parade’s graduation performance? I didn’t attend AWA.

>>10694155
these ideas are incredibly cringe nonnie-tan, try again

>>10694155
>>10694238
I think these sound reasonable, so let's hear yours now

>>10694230
What's stopping you from still asking then finding 4 more people as part of the plan?

>>10694237
The orange member was being yelled at backstage before it started

I'm rather curious to see what Veil has been doing since they just posted, when I left the four original members to their own works, they were very excited to start working. I don't recall if all four of the original members are there, but I'm curious to see what happens.

actually as a former member of veil, i’m excited ! i do wish them the best!! they are hard workers!

>>10694252
I wasn't there either, so I don't know, but did that actually happen? If so, about what? They made it seem like they were so buddy buddy with each other, so if they were actually yelling at her, it kinda contradicts the image they were always going for.

>>10694272
Welcome to the idol community in all its two-faced essence

>>10694252
You're so full of shit lmao

>>10694177
not saying the criticism isn't valid, just that there's just as much criticism for the other groups mentioned. I like nonsweet as well, but their performances lack something to me, they forced a really high note into timeslip that became the weakest part of the song for me, and their outfits were not my style at all. melopara has some half assed solo work and an okay dance cover of an overdone song. the draw to idols for me has always been the passion they put forth, so even if the art isn't exactly perfect I like to see them grow. and reso has done a lot of that imo! nikki and mimi showed improvements with vocals, cold case was a lot catchier than goddess, and they've now posted about a whole new era. if you check out all of the members solo work I think you can see they're working on personal growth as well (nikki's cover of king with Evie from auracle is amazing)

all in all, of course they don't need to get brought up constantly, but the original comment I replied to was just one that confused me

https://youtu.be/RzUbICxyXmw pengy did this cute cover with auracle as well

>>10693970
>>10693995
>>10693966
I actually think its the lack of conventions killing the community, which the lack of is due to the obvious. Most groups performed at those, and every time a convention show got posted there was a lot of discussion about it. I think most people are just too burned out from the world conditions right now to bother with idol content. Most didn't really do constant mvs or videos. They did conventions.

>>10694339
I don't know the Australian idol community seems to picked up again. Sure they aren't at conventions but they at least hold their own events

>>10694272
>>10694274
Hey anons y’all know people can fight and still be friends right. I’ve fought with my group before but we’re still good friends.

>>10694352
There's a lot more access to venues that allow for holding your own events outside of conventions in Australia from what a few ausidols said.

New thread >>10694383

>>10694250
Good point.

Some ppl have so much audacity to bring other idols down it is ridiculous