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Unpopular opinion thread part 2: Electric Boogaloo
starting with: fatphobia isn't real. And i'm laughing at every single fatty screaming about it whenever a new release gets mentionned.
Sizing in lolita is now more 'inclusive' than ever and if you can't fit your lard into that then you should probably go on a diet.
Being fat (or 'plus size' like they like to tell themselves) isn't beautiful. A bit chubby can be cute but being fat is never beautiful i've never seen a fat girl's body looking good. Their face and their makeup skills can save it but they look comical

>> No.10607546

My unpopular opinion is the bar is so low for what makes a passable coordinate nowadays on here and it's embarassing watching people defend dumpster coords. It's clear many people don't understand what looks good and it's part of the reason why lolita looks more like a costume than ever.

>> No.10607549

>>10607543
This isn't an unpopular opinion, though

>> No.10607550

The more someone accuses others of being fetishists or sees ageplay everywhere, the more I think they’re just projecting. Normal people who don’t like ddlgers don’t spend all their time seeing it everywhere.

>> No.10607551

>>10607546
The people with low bars for passable coordinates are probably old timers from the livejournal era. When the fashion was actually a fashion and people wore their coordinates for real, and not just for photos and asspats.

Either lolita is a real fashion- and therefore isn’t going to be perfect and will sometimes be messy/uncoordinated/have items swapped out for comfort. Or it’s a costume, that demands 100% perfection anytime it’s worn.

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10607565

I like Tyler and I don't really understand the hate put towards her. Did I miss something? Her wardrobe is admirable imo and I like listening to her and her BF banter. Used to not like her hair, but that's improving; now she just needs to thread them brows.

>> No.10607576

FtM people who wear lolita and feel comfortable are absolutely fake. You need gender dysphoria to be trans. If you don't get triggered by prancing around in a hyper feminine dress while larping as a man, then you don't have dysphoria. They aren't trans. They just have low self-esteem and don't want to be judged as a woman.

>> No.10607579

>>10607565
I think you missed the recent events where she white knighted Lor after Lor made an apology video about her past actions. Lor told her not to make a video but she made one anyways.
lor's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORzabyBy3dQ
Tyler's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qmCgf12s9A
a summary with answers to your question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztu57Llu65c
Other than that I think it's cause her content shifted from mostly lwln to a lot of 40ish min long videos about other topics or people grown out of her style of humor.

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10607581

White women can't pull of lolita because their bone structure isn't small enough. It's like a fedora. Some guys can pull it off, most of them can't and it makes them look worse.

>> No.10607597

There is nothing wrong with Aliexpress cosplay or premade cosplay. As long as you aren't trying to pass it off as "you made it" or more than it is, just fine to use.

>> No.10607603

>>10607543
>>10607546
Very good takes

>>10607576
Highly seconded. FtMs wearing lolita are fakebois or trenders in general

>>10607597
also a good take

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10607610

Trump / playing card suite prints always look so cheap and tacky and generally like absolute shit. Why in kumya's name are they so prolific?

>> No.10607613

>>10607610
Alice in Wonderland

>> No.10607616

>>10607546
I'll third this. I'm tired of every ita coord on /cgl/ being met with replies of "nitpick", "vendetta", "not ita?!?!!"

>> No.10607623

Good lolita is not cheap.
If you live paycheck to paycheck, you shouldn't be in lolita.
Stop telling newbies lolita is cheap.

>> No.10607627

>>10607623
No one ever says cheap, usually they say there are good quality "affordable" options, which was true before the old school revival in the west and the sweet boom with secondhand brand pieces; now even old school sweet dresses that used to be under $100 are going for double that so really it is difficult to get reasonably priced brand unless you buy new which means your best best for deals is sales on unpopular nonprints or OPs and salopettes sometimes.

>> No.10607632

These days I'm finding gothic lolita as boring as I find full-sweet-AP-set coords. It feels like everybody's wearing the same Moitie dresses with the same Neant Glass/Voodoodolly accessories. I understand they're trendy items within the community, and all the pieces are beautiful on their own, but it's getting really stale.

>> No.10607665

>>10607632
Here's my unpopular opinion: Gothic lolita was never interesting.

>> No.10607671

>>10607665
>unpopular
Nigga everyone knows this and accepts it, the only people it is unpopular with is coomers and gothic lolita's themselves.

>> No.10607683

>>10607671
Am gothic lolita and I agree. It’s so boring looking I can wear it daily without getting too much attention

>> No.10607690

I don’t care about having lolita friends. Most of my friend group are fashion normies and that’s fine with me.

>> No.10607692

>>10607623
>>10607627
??? If you know where to look you can easily buy new and old school brand used for less than $100 that's cheap

>> No.10607698

>>10607665
Tbh most of lolita is uninteresting.

>> No.10607701

>>10607690
Where do you find good non lolita friends? Ever since post college there is not really an easy way to make friends besides hobby groups that tend to be kind of awkward.
I love my lolita friends but I want to branch out as well.

>> No.10607708

>>10607579
She wasn't wking Lor and she said that at the beginning of the vid. She actually crapped all over Lor for being a spineless twat and the woke mob for being fake hypocritical assholes who get off watching yt grovel for stupid reasons. She basically said what we were all thinking, but since no one has balls anymore, people folded when the (very fragile) reeeeee wacism crowd got all butthurt about it on IG and Twitter.

>> No.10607712

>>10607698
Ayrt, and to an extend I kind of agree. When you're in the fashion long enough, a lot of shit starts to look the same. Especially with everyone mindlessly following 'the rules' because if they don't they get scared Internet strangers might get mad.

Another hot take. Honey cake coords are boring as fuck, they all look the exact same. I don't give a shit about your pancake/waffle headdress

>> No.10607724

>>10607551
AYRT, I'm cool with casual, wearable lolita. My issue is that more and more people don't understand what makes an outfit "work" beyond matching colors exactly. That, combined with cheap, low-quality indie being widely available makes it look less like an altfashion and more like generic weebwear.

>> No.10607726

>>10607708
I mean most people agreed with Tyler that Lor did nothing worth apologizing for but didn't really care that she decided to throw herself under the bus and say sorry if that's what she wanted to do cause she does dumb stuff all the time (see: how she dresses) and is an adult capable of choosing what to do.

Tyler just decided to act like Lor is some innocent baby who was deceived into doing what she did and did take out of context messages or tweets between Lor and her personal IRL friends according to Lor.

Instead of just accepting Lor voluntarily handled the situation the way she did, thinking it was dumb, and moving on, Tyler wanted to stir up trouble and get attention by making this video against Lor's wishes pretending she did it to "protect" her from boohoo internet abuse and boolying (honestly the original Tyler the Creator tweet from the pic in OP about how cyberbullying isn't real is lowkey accurate in this scenario).

Regardless of the context of the scenario, the bottom line is Tyler went against her friend's wishes in a situation that did not justify it in a very public way. She violated her boundaries in front of the whole world and proclaimed herself to be an untrustworthy two faced friend who cares more about clout than Lor. She could have comforted Lor privately but instead shamed her publicly while pretending it was for her own good. AND she did it while likely knowing Lor was dealing with a dying loved one, and rather than simply try to be there for her, created another stressor that blew everything back up.

>> No.10607746

>>10607692
where can i buy this old school brand please

>> No.10607747

>>10607746
Figure it out yourself

>> No.10607748

>>10607746
literally kek, old school for less than $100? take my money

>> No.10607749

>>10607748
Old school, yes, depending on the piece and which brand. New brand like they're claiming? Highly unlikely even for a piece with major damage if you wear sweet.

>> No.10607750

Likes mean nothing when they come from people who dress like shit

>> No.10607760

>>10607692
>less than $100
I can almost guarantee whatever you're buying is either not "good" or just an extreme stroke of luck.

>> No.10607763

>>10607760
Kek anon is bitter they don’t know where to find secret brand

>> No.10607768 [DELETED] 

>>10607763
Probably not though. My wardrobe is 100% AP sweet and someone selling Milky-Chan/etc for less than $100 is just out of touch. Most lolitas selling their items, even in Japan, know westerners are willing to pay top dollar now.

>> No.10607770

>>10607726
I really think it was less about Lor and more about the bad precedent she set. And the fact that there were those who were still unappeased after all of her groveling was disturbing. If the woke mob expects all of the people in this community to apologize for slav squatting, they can f*ck right off.

>> No.10607772

>>10607768
We’re talking about old school. Learn to read apfag

>> No.10607775

>>10607770
I think that sounds dumb to me because I can't imagine caring what online randos think. I guess I just don't live on the internet, but someone else doing something because they feel bad or guilty doesn't mean anyone else HAS to do something too. If someone says you should apologize for something you didn't do or that was an accident and you feel like you have to do more than just say "my bad, didn't mean to" or ignore it, then that's your problem, not Lor's, as spineless and ita as she is. Plus people have already said the only people who see Lor as an example or anyone to look up to is an ita, so how is she setting a precedent for any self-respecting well dressed person?

Tyler MADE it about Lor on purpose to frame herself as a "caring friend" rather than just saying she was tired of SJW shit in the community. She didn't even call out WF by name or go into depth about all of the reasons she is awful. If she had been honest and made the video about the problematic nature of SJW mob stuff in general as it relates to lolita without doing so at Lor's expense, it would have been fine, but nothing else would have gotten her as much attention and she knew that.

>> No.10607810

>>10607775
That's fair. It could have been more even handed if she had called out Lor AND the woke mob equally, instead of making it more about Lor (which she did).

>> No.10607811

>>10607810
>>10607775
nta but this exactly. tyler was too chicken to call out the people who should have been held responsible.

>> No.10607822

>>10607576
There must be a "mutts law" about every thread ending up bitching about trans people.

>> No.10607824

>>10607822
I don't disagree, but why Mutts?

>> No.10607825

>>10607824
I mean like the mutts law meme I guess it would be like "the OBSESSED law" or something.

>as a thread grows longer, the chances of an OBSESSED well bitch about trannys increases.
>incel face.jpg

>> No.10607830

>>10607712
hot take: honeycake is ugly in general

>> No.10607835

If you're a career cosplayer and take cosplay seriously (ie. regularly cosplay at cons, have a cosplay insta, go to shoots), you should be making your cosplays. I can excuse it if you're goofing off for a weekend, but otherwise, learn to sew. It's a maker hobby.

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>>10607746
>>10607748
>>10607749
>>10607760
Kek so glad none of you know where to look more burando deals for me

>> No.10607838

>>10607835
Agree with this. ESPECIALLY if you are being invited to judge competitions. Thankfully this doesn't happen too often but when it does it's infuriating.

>> No.10607847

Sexy baby is still around because most people are too scared to call him a creep in fear of the SJW swarm and lolitas at heart.
Sexy baby and people like him are always going to thrive if we keep giving him attention, negative or positive. If everyone blocked him and stopped bringing him up he probably would have moved on to something else by now. Not really unpopular but eh

>> No.10607848

>>10607838
People that cosplay in preboughts /judge competitions/???? How the fuck would they even know anything about craftsmanship? What the hell

>> No.10607877

I'm tired of how the jfashion scene has become a hugbox for trandstrenders.

>> No.10607887

>>10607830
Honeycake is a well-established meme dress now.

>while typing this, I accidentally spelled "honeycake" as "honeycame" and now I want to die

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Unpopular opinion: (Gender of this person aside) We should not handhold people who can't even ask a proper question.

>> No.10607910

>>10607750
>likes mean nothing
ftfy, likes are cheap shit, comments are where it's at

>> No.10607915

>>10607763
It’s not even a secret. A literal monkey could find brand for <100 sitting on lace market.

>>10607889
I see so many posts with questions like this on that group. Genuine question: are those people mentally delayed? Only explanation I could think of.

>> No.10607917

>>10607889
Bsolf is 90% is DI/some reseller a scam, 5% degenerate role play, 3% bad LS coord advice and 2% people who actually help.

>> No.10607931

>>10607915
Right? And not even just blouses/skirts. I've seen nice new releases of big brand jsks (baby/AP) selling for $70-85 plenty of times
Y'all are just new or don't even other looking

>> No.10607934

>>10607931
Anons are you time travellers from 2012?

>> No.10607936

>>10607931
My first brand dress was $50 because it had a light stain that can barely be seen.
You can get great deals on pieces, it just takes a lot of time and thoughtful planning to make it work. But usually people don’t want to wait and want the instant gratification so will buy a ton of $25 crappy taobao dresses and yell about AP and BABY being too expensive

>> No.10607945

>>10607934
https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/btssb-classical-rose-bouquet-jsk-in-beige

https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/aatp-catalina-jsk

https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/angelic-pretty-shirring-jsk-6e7382fa-c1f8-41df-bf61-e94e00e05aa6


These listings aren't even that old and I consider LM to be more $$ because westerners sell secondhand for more plus I barely even slimmed looking for these.
Not even gonna mention where I buy brand used for cheap otherwise cause I don't want my spots blown up lmao

>> No.10607946

>>10607945
>listings aren't even that old
Anon... the AP listing sold in 2017. And it's not even a good JSK.


Again, I said "good." Yes, you can buy brand for cheap - I'm not arguing against that. Brand =/= good. I'm saying we need to stop telling newbies the good/popular stuff is cheap, because it never is.

>> No.10607948

>>10607946
2017 was only 4 years ago but the other link I posted was from this year and they were just examples.
Also what you consider "good" is your own opinion. I'm not going to bother looking that hard on lm past sales just to prove this point.

>> No.10607951

>>10607946
Idgaf about popular prints that ap jsk is way cuter than the shit people bloodbath over nowadays

>> No.10607956

>>10607948
Four years ago is really not comparable to today. If that were the case, we all should be selling AP jewelry for $5-10.

LM isn't a great indicator other than auction listings because they could have sold within 2 minutes of the seller posting. Just because the listing exists doesn't mean it was just sitting there and easily accessible. The same thing happens on Mercari/Fril. I see cheap things get sold all the time, but it was probably instantly bought.

I know you probably want to feel special about having "secret"/"cheap" places to buy brand, but the reality is that you're probably buying colors/cuts/things that others don't like/aren't popular. Covid has turned secondhand into a hellscape with higher prices.

I just think it's a lie to tell newbies "lolita isn't tHaT eXpEnsIvE!11!" when we are all out here fighting for scraps. The newbie in question probably wants the popular stuff that has been labeled as "good" by most people, and that's why we get dumb itas thinking they can buy our wardrobes for $100 a dress.

>> No.10607961

>>10607956
Sorry you can't be bothered to actually check sites and keep focusing on the one listing that isn't from this year or last year.
Deals always go quickly. That's part of what makes them a good deal. But there's plenty of them out there.
You're really continuously moving the goalpost by changing what you mean by inexpensive brand.

>> No.10607964

>>10607770
I didn't like most of Tyler's video but the one point I did agree with was the SJW mob part. Because Lor grovelled multiple times and WF, Kaiser, Milk Circus and co. were still not happy, it sets the stage for future apologies from lolitas will not be accepted no matter what. They can also start witch hunts and it will be considered the norm for whoever they find problematic.

Even normies took notice of Lor's large number of apologies and felt it was too excessive i.e. Contrapoints talked about it on the Ezra (sorry I forgot their last name) podcast show.

>> No.10607965

>>10607945
You said new releases though. That part was not true. New releases from big sweet brands go for retail or above

>> No.10607967

>>10607961
If you don't understand how much the landscape has changed since 2017, there's nothing I can say. If you're in a substyle that's been unaffected by Covid demand, count your blessings.

That's the point about deals though. They go so quickly that unless you're humping your phone every 30 minutes checking sites, you don't have a chance at "cheap" and "good" brand. So when people tell newbies it's possible to get good things for cheap, it's again, mostly unobtainable. If you get a good deal, you're getting lucky. Also I never said it was particularly hard for me to get items.

I guess I should have clarified from the beginning that I meant all of this in the current day. Maybe in a year or two, we can tell people that our fashion is cheap. But that's just not true right now for "good" items. People who want to join the fashion and replicate iconic images on social media are going to have to drop a fair share of money.

>> No.10608011

Does anyone here actually like lor?

She's really fucking old and it shows (hell, even a decade ago), at her very best her coords are maybe a 5/10. Not a very good person to represent western lolita to the masses.

>> No.10608012

>>10607967
>Dense, the post.

>> No.10608014

>>10607967
I don’t know why you’re getting pushback like we haven’t consistently had secondhand sales threads these past few months just to complain about how ridiculous the market is right now. What prices stuff sold for in 2017, 2018 even 2019 don’t matter anymore.

>> No.10608015

>>10608014
>how ridiculous the market is right now
It's literally only AP

>> No.10608018

>>10608014
>I don’t know why you’re getting pushback
Because old school anons want to feel special and flex that they can buy things no one wants for $50.

>> No.10608021

>>10608018
Have fun wearing your $1000 pit stained dresses. At least my old stuff no one wants can be thrown in the washing machine.

>> No.10608080

>>10607565
I know what she did and I still like her, I think she did the right thing and I'm glad she did it. That said, I wish she'd stop wearing those stupid rabbit ears, even if they are brand.

>> No.10608090

>>10607917
Don't forget the large chunk of newbies and idiots wrongly labelling themselves as middle sisters and giving garbage advice to other newbies. And then proceed to argue with good advice given by decent lolitas.

>> No.10608145

>>10608080
Yeah, I knew about this stuff too and I still like her. I don't necessarily agree with her speaking on spineless Lor's behalf, but it's not enough to make me dislike her.

>> No.10608152

>>10608145
>>10608080

I didn't like her much before as she is at best a normie and at worst cringe, so this just made me pay even less attention to her.

>> No.10608218

>>10608011
I watch her vids mostly out of curiosity. But most of her co-ords/makeup/fashion in general is bad and not my taste.

>> No.10608222

>neo-lolita will never have the charm lolita had til around 2012-2013.
Even the itas lost the charm they once had. and are now all wearing the same mass produced aliexpress garbage. i hate it.
>classic is boring most of the time.

>> No.10608253

people who wear lolita only for special occasions or meetups are not lolitas. they're just lolita cosplayers. and it's both weird and sad. just wear the damn clothes as clothes if you like them you fucking cowards.

>> No.10608269

>>10608222
Classic is boring and most classic lolitas like it that way

>> No.10608270

>>10608269
Sweet lolitas have a very american mentality

>> No.10608272

I dont give a fuck if someone is ftm, mtf, nonbinary, whatever in lolita as long as they aren't annoying, it's so weird to see trans people living in you guys' heads rent free

>> No.10608282

>>10608253
you can wear clothes as clothes even if you only wear them for special occasions though. unless you also think it’s weird and sad for people to not wear formalwear every day

>> No.10608283

>>10608253
Is a wedding dress cosplay? Is a cocktail dress cosplay? Is a prom dress cosplay? Is anything you don’t wear 24/7 cosplay?

>>10608014
Nah I see old school btssb go high too

>> No.10608285

>>10607550
This. I feel the same way about these weirdos who talk non stop about sissies. Like I’m sorry but non-deranged people don’t spend every waking moment thinkings about kinksters/ddlg/trannies

>> No.10608286

>>10607565
Tbh I think the hate towards Tyler has less to do with the whole Lor fiasco than people think. Her channel devolved into shitting on people, and surprise surprise, given the opportunity people started shitting on her. She kinda hit a critical mass of bitching at people, so of course she was left in the red.

>> No.10608291

>>10608015
It definitely is not just AP. Old meta and sweet Baby pieces are feeling it too.

>> No.10608293

>>10608272
>as long as they aren't annoying
This is a BIG conditional statement. To be fair, I’ve yet to figure out whether gender specials are inherently more annoying or not. 90% of the Lolita community regardless of their gender/orientation/race is insufferably cringe and annoying.

>> No.10608295

>>10608272
I used to not care until I interacted with them and they always have to make themselves the center of literally everything. >>10608293 is right, lolitas already tend to be cringe autistic narcissists and that makes the trans ones about 10x worse.

>> No.10608304

I don't feel pity for anyone who can't afford a con but still go while stuffing themselves into a room with 8 other people.

>> No.10608309

>>10608304
Pity? No. I almost feel a bit of nostalgia for the younger people that do this. Reminds me of simpler times in high school when I could just go and socialize even if I didn’t have money for anything other than food.

>> No.10608310

>>10608293
I’ve seen tons of people come and go in the Lolita community and I agree. I don’t think gender specials are MORE annoying on average, but they are definitely more visible and easy to ostracize. Anything a gender special does that’s annoying is 500 times more memorable than if your everyday average cis ita would do the same thing.

>> No.10608339

>>10608282
yeah I actually do think its weird and sad to buy formal clothes and then only wear them for special occasions. they're beautiful. wear them! but at least I do understand as they aren't made to be used for daily wear. unlike lolita where its (usually) built to be both durable and cute.

>>10608283
No but those things aren't designed for daily wear like most lolita is.

>> No.10608348

>>10607877
Based

>> No.10608403

>>10608293
>90% of the Lolita community

That's why I don't interact with 100% of the lolita community. lonelita for life.

>> No.10608634

>>10608304
I don't either, but I live for those cringey con roomie stories they tell afterwards.

>> No.10608665

>>10607967
Lmao i’ve bought like 4 different rare, and coveted, dresses this year, each one under 100 dollars. They were all up for over a week, so if you think you can’t find good deals then you arent even looking beyond shitty ap sales

>> No.10608680

>>10608665
This was believable until
>all up for over a week
No coveted AP would stay up that long. Other brands maybe. I’ve seen popular BTSSB prints sell for extremely cheap but not on LM

>> No.10608696

>>10608680
No i purposefully buy old listings because people are dumb as fuck and refuse to use the search bar

>> No.10608708

>>10608272
Unfortunately, they are typically annoying because they have to make everything about gender. Just but whatever the fuck and shut up about it. You aren't special. Transwoman just be a woman, fakeboi just be a regular guy. Assimilate or GTFO.

>> No.10608711

>>10608680
Coveted dresses are easy to find for a decent price if you use more than LM.

>> No.10608712

>>10608711
I use all the standard JP sites + a few other international sites. It’s not a matter of finding them for cheap, it’s buying them before they sell out in 20 minutes

>>10608696
Fair desu

>> No.10608752

>>10608712
>standard JP sites
That’s your problem.

>> No.10608754

>>10608752
Did you only read half the sentence?

>> No.10608758

>>10608708
>Assimilate or GTFO
That seems healthy LMAO. Seems like a you problem anon.

>> No.10608763

>>10608758
It's not, you troon moron.

No one wants your cum all over our dresses

>> No.10608765

>>10608754
No but that’s not where you find the listings that don’t sell immediately

>> No.10608776

>>10608763
Once again, seems like a you problem. Take your meds anon.

>> No.10608804

There should be so much more gatekeeping in cosplay and lolita. The whole "uwu everyone is welcome" shit has gone too fucking far.

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>>10608282
>>10608283
Of course there's different situations for different clothes, that goes for lolita as well. It's normal that you wouldn't wear an OTT lacemonster with a madonna crown to the grocery store, and that you might not wear a plain cutsew OP without accessories to a fancy tea party. But pic related for example is just as casual as any t-shirt/skirt outfit.
Formalwear doesn't have that kind of range and isn't a fashion on its own. Nobody says 'yea I wear cocktail dress fashion' because it's a type of garment and not a style. Lolita as a whole isn't meant for any specific type of situation in particular and can range from casual and comfy to over the top formal. Only wearing lolita to special occasions is like saying you're goth when you only ever dress gothy to dinner parties and you're in jeans and t-shirts anytime else.
Like sure, you can decide when you want to wear lolita and obviously not every situation is suitable for it, I wouldn't wear lolita when I'm going hiking or some shit either. But treating it like it's only meant for special occasions means you aren't treating it like an actual fashion.

>> No.10608871

>>10608806
Based af

>> No.10608873

I like OPs more than JSKs. Feels like they put more effort into the designs most of the time.

>> No.10608879

>>10608806
I wholeheartedly agree with this post, thank you anon.

>> No.10608880

>>10607581
this troon will never stop trooning out

>> No.10608884

>>10607543
This isn't an unpopular opinion thread, this is your rant about hating fat people

>> No.10608905

>>10608880
Not every gender nonconforming person is a troon. That is quite clearly a normal man cosplaying. You’re obsessed

>> No.10608958

>>10608339
This is delusional cope.

>if you dont wear lolita at work, when sleeping or when shopping then youre a pretender!!!

>> No.10608960

>>10608339
>durable and cute.
this is fucking untrue.

>> No.10608967

>>10608960
Ntayrt but some of us actually buy sturdy cotton items that hold up instead of flimsy polyester

>> No.10608968

>>10608806
>you wouldn't wear an OTT lacemonster with a madonna crown to the grocery store
Not based at all

>> No.10609050

>>10608339
>No but those things aren't designed for daily wear like most lolita is.

Is it? I see lolita the same way I see a nice normie dress- to be worn for special occasions when I want to look extra nice. Just because I don’t wear a cocktail dress to the gas station that doesn’t mean it’s a cocktail

>> No.10609056

>>10608806
Okay, but not everyone wears toned down lolita in black/neutral colors. Most of my wardrobe is pastels, which isn’t going to come off that casual to some.

>and you're in jeans and t-shirts anytime else.

You’re assuming that everyone who doesn’t wear lolita 24/7 is wearing jeans and a tshirt. Most lolitas are into other jfashions.

>> No.10609068

>>10608806
thank you for saying this so much more eloquently than I ever could.

>> No.10609084

>>10608272
>as long as they aren't annoying
You see the problem right

>> No.10609085

>>10608884
put down the fork fatty

>> No.10609099

>>10609050
>Just because I don’t wear a cocktail dress doesn’t mean it’s a cocktail
What the actual fuck is this supposed to mean

>> No.10609112

>>10609099
nta, I think they meant cosplay and that's a typo. It sounds hilarious though.

>> No.10609124

The fake woke ppl are so fucking entitled and ngl they're hardcore tokenizing poc creators. I follow people who make content that I vibe with, no I'm not gonna drool over some ita in a trash bag dress just because she's black and feels entitled to an audience because "muh colourism". In fact shit like this makes me not follow them on principle no matter how good their content might be.

>> No.10609133

>>10609124
i make accessories and don't tell anyone my heritage and am passing anyway. i don't want to get lumped into that mess.

>> No.10609159

>>10608884
i'm sorry you're fat anon

>> No.10609160

some of the likes on black lolita posts are pity likes from sjws who will worship the ground they walk on solely because of their skin color.
Same goes for men in dresses.

>> No.10609459

>>10609160
>spot the fat white ita

>> No.10609461

>>10609459
>Spot the obviously entitled POC

Fucking Americans

>> No.10609466

>>10609461
Cry more, go eat some cake and stop bitching cause you get ignored.

>> No.10609468

>>10609124
Truth, it's sad but this forced shit is so cringe

>> No.10609469

>>10609466
I wasn't the anon, but it was obvious you're a dumb entitled cunt

>> No.10609481

>>10609124
>>10609160
God this. I actually block anyone with blm shit, genderspecials, etc on sight. My mental health has increased by 1000% by just blocking these people, would recommend.

>> No.10609482

>>10608905
Agreed. Some of these people need a hobby instead of just lurking on here to screech troon.

>> No.10609485

>>10609469
>t. More fat white bitches getting ignored and blaming someone else

>> No.10609488

I think it's better and more enjoyable to fly relatively under the radar as a lolita. I just want a few well-dressed lolita friends to vibe with at most; it seems the more attention you get the more that attention turns negative

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>>10609481
Based. I've done the same. With artists too. They all eat each other alive anyway over trivial shit and I don't want to invite any of that drama into my space lmao

>> No.10609730

>>10609488
Based. The whole popularity contest that lolita has turned into is exhausting. I just wanna vibe and wear my cringy princess dresses

>> No.10609885

>>10607550
agreed. there is someone i follow who constantly makes a psa about how she hates ddlgers/ageplayers/sissies in her captions and I can't help but wonder if she is trying to project by the amount she does it.

similarly, if you see heart chokers, ankle socks, striped socks, mary janes (deadass saw someone on cgl say this shit), or something else and immediately thinks kinkster/ddlg/sissie and feel the need to tell everyone that someone is you're letting kinksters/agplayers/sissies live rent-free in your head or you're trying to project so much that no one considers whether you are one even though it makes you look more like one by the mega levels of projection.

>> No.10609887

>>10609488
i think this is a pretty popular opinion, but since people who hold it fly under the radar it goes unnoticed

>> No.10609891

>>10608293
Even without trans people a significant portion of the community is honest to god insufferable. If trans people just got yeeted out, you'd still have to deal with the hyper woke people that get offensive and cry about a set called 'starry sky police' because police brutality and poc lives matter or get offended and cry when you don't old their hand and spoonfeed them information or validate their feelings about how their 30 dollar coord is not even lolita.

>>10608752
>>10608765
Other than fril.jp, mercari, yahoo auctions, closet child and wunderwelt, where else can you get some secondhand lolita that doesn't sell out as soon as it gets listed?

>> No.10609895

>>10609891
>fril.jp, mercari, yahoo auctions, closet child and wunderwelt
Not telling you, when you don’t even know all the common ones

>> No.10609928

>>10609891
Nayrt, but reasonably priced popular dresses sell out fast on any resources, obscure or not.

>> No.10609935

>>10607551
>>10607724
you're both right and ironically, I think it is the people with bad coords who post fine casual coords in the ita thread

>> No.10609937

>>10609885
>agreed. there is someone i follow who constantly makes a psa about how she hates ddlgers/ageplayers/sissies in her captions and I can't help but wonder if she is trying to project by the amount she does it.
I think I know who you're talking about and she gets a lot of harassment from ddlg, so I understand completely.

>> No.10609938

>>10609935
AYRT, it definitely is.

Also tshirts over blouses have been a thing forever, I'm so confused as to how it's suddenly become loathed

>> No.10609941

>>10609938
Newfriends thinking they spotted something trendy that they can roll into a big hate train.

>> No.10609972

>>10609938
Those people have clearly never seen old street snaps.

>> No.10609988

>>10609937
idk exactly who you anons are thinking of but a large portion of lolitas on ig I follow have to post DNIs in their stories or will out ageplayers harassing them or following them when they tell them not to and tell people which creepy accounts to block at least once a month because that crowd is annoying, relentless, and disrespectful. It's more likely just a response to frequent harassment than projection.

>> No.10610003

>>10609988
Second anon here, I agree with you, it's a response to actual harassment from littles and shit

>> No.10610009

>>10609988
>>10610003
what do those degens harass about? i don't use sm or follow the egl community on it so i can't comprehend wtf and why

>> No.10610012

>>10610009
They steal photos and add captions.
Examples:
>daddy dressed up his NAUGHTY brat who he will need to punish for the BAD attitude and
>I've been a good girl so I get cummies and nummies UwU
>I peed my panties! I'm so embarrassed I hope nobody notices >.<

And shit like that. All would be understandable if they at least sexually harassed lolitas of age but
instead the DDLG and kink community get the wettest/hardest when they do it to underage lolitas.

They also liked to invade KidCore communities on Tumblr and highjack their tags/add their own captions as with lolita.

Kid Core was a community that was expressly non sexual and many members were survivors of CSA.
The kid core aspects often were part of closure and sexual abuse therapy.

DDLG and sissies have also been known to send sexual messages to the above community members because they found it funny and hot.
Just honestly shitty people.

>> No.10610042

>>10610012
all this, and plus you just do not want someone from that community even commenting on your photos when they clearly have a kink profile

>> No.10610224

AP boot lickers are weird af. Their quality went down so tremendously, you might just as well get a $30 dress from taobao and have the same look and quality. Also, if you're wearing current day AP you have no right to shit on taobao-litas for their plastic bag dresses imo because you're wearing the same thing except you paid ten times the price.

>> No.10610230

>>10610224
This.

>> No.10610235

>>10610224
This. I keep saying this every God damn ap thread: AP. Does. Not. Care. They don't give a single shit about design and quality anymore and it shows. They know their customer base would buy a literal turd with a bow slapped on it so they stopped trying and just keep shitting out cheaper and cheaper garbage. Its almost like they are testing the waters to see what they can get away with sometimes.

>> No.10610290

Closet cosplay needs to die. Either put some effort in or don't try.

I know this isn't an unpopular opinion on /cgl/ but my local cosplay community is just pure shit now. We have this fat bitch who constantly posts extremely low effort cosplays and recently was petitioning to be a cosplay guest at local cons having won no contests or doing any panels at all. I've won the costume contest at these local cons and still don't expect to be invited as a guest. How do you expect to become a professional cosplayer when you don't put in any effort whatsoever and rely on woke culture supporting you because you're fat and lazy?

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>>10610224
>you might just as well get a $30 dress from taobao and have the same look and quality.

Come on, you can hate AP all you want but this isn’t true, and I’m someone who enjoys many taobao brands. Even the CC Cat rainbow dollhouse JSK, which many people said is similar to AP quality, still doesn’t hold a candle to my modern AP dresses. And that wasn’t a $30 taobao dress, any half decent taobao dress is still going to cost between $80 and $120. The quality of the ones sub $60 is lesser. Something being decent quality for $60 doesn’t mean it’s the same quality as a $300 AP dress. You know what $30 gets you on taobao? It gets you this.

>> No.10610323

>>10610294
Show me the same dress unwrinkled and not in babby's first coord and then you can argue.

>> No.10610327

>>10610224
Most current AP prints are ugly anyway.

>> No.10610328

>>10610323
If you think quality refers to the outfit and not the baseline materials that make the dress look like a trash sack then your opinion is worthless.

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>>10610323
It’s a cute dress for under $30 but it’s not AP quality and you know it

>> No.10610400

>>10607576
People do this? They pretend to be men while dressing up in lolita? That's downright silly

>> No.10610411

>>10607565
lor sucks mad dick and the only thing tyler did wrong was those bangs and the rabbit ears, and that shit is unforgivable

>> No.10610420

>>10610411
Tyler went from boring brandwhore to brand ita and I hate that and looking at her cringey interactions with her bf far more than her also cringey self righteous anti-apology video. Her channel is evolving in a direction not much better than Lor's, just with her pretending to be tough or edgy instead of uwu lovely.

>> No.10610424

>>10609885
On tumblr? I think I know who you’re talking about. The PSA banners are very ugly and I hate them but also... I do to get a little riled up when age players reblog my shit.

>> No.10610440

>>10610294
Based

>> No.10610441

>>10610440
Oh oof meant to reply based to the person you were responding to not you lmfao

>> No.10610464

>>10607543
Most cosplayers are terrible people. The women are narcissists in love with them sleeves.

Afraid to date fans. And illogical toward sexual comments.

>> No.10610488

>>10610464

>muh women are terrible people because they don't want to fuck me

yeah you really sound like a catch

>> No.10610530

>>10607543
EVA foam is overused and more cosplayers need to get over whatever is holding them back from trying fiberglass, plastic or metalworking.

>> No.10610531

>>10610464
Try harder to make yourself sound like less of an incel cause whatever you're doing here isn't working

>> No.10610540

>>10609481
BLM is a propaganda op to prevent police reform and fundraise for Dems. You can have some great laughs asking BLM folks how they plan on convincing all those white people (aka racists) to support them after they claim the police only shoot blacks.

>> No.10610570

>>10610294
I own modern AP and Rainbow Dollhouse, and yeah, they're about the same. I would actually even daresay that Rainbow Dollhouse is better quality than the HC rerelease. The lining on HC is tissue paper.

>> No.10610571

>>10610540
>Fundraising for Dems
When they're not buying real estate for themselves.

>> No.10610630

>>10610540
Please go take your meds.

>> No.10610634

>>10607565
She just seems like a horrible person to me. She's the type of person who would share her best friend's most embarrassing secrets for a little bit of cash

>> No.10610652

>>10608011
I don't like her fashion but I think she's a genuinely nice person, which I admire.

>> No.10610656

>>10609050
I wear my nice dresses all the time. wtf else would you wear? Some flimsy not nice dress from h&m?

>> No.10610657

>>10610570
As someone who also has both Rainbow Dollhouse and HC rerelease I agree wholeheartedly. I think anyone who denies that mid price level taobao is any different quality wise from current ap is dealing with sunk cost fallacy at this point.

>> No.10610704

>>10610652
Nayrt, but I feel like Lor is nice to a fault. It seems like it causes her pain when she can't say how she feels about things without 50 qualifyers and 10 layers of sugar coat. I used to have that problem and it can be awful to have so much anxiety about if you're being nice enough or not wording something politely enough and all. But then it's also painful to end up hurting someone's feelings by accident so it's easy to end up overcompensating.

>> No.10610731

>>10609988
>>10609937
possibly the same person and I understand posting DNIs or outting people that actually harass someone and i get its a response to harassment.

but it's another to see someone wearing a heart choker and then trying to do an investigation to see whether they have a FetLife, anything kinky on their profile, etc., and doing a deep dive and potentially exposing them for something that they aren't even part of or that they haven't even done.

>>10610424
Not on Tumblr, but I do see the banners and I hate how fucking unreadable they make them to be.

>>10610012
Tangent but i hate the kidcore and related communities. When I was running my gothic/lolita blog regularly I had to deal with them stealing my photos (That I actually took myself, not just taken from Pinterest or google) because I was an "gross kink blog". I used to feel sorry for them but now I don't and when I would ask them to take it down, they would just repost more of my images so I just started blocking and reporting them.

Now I have big ass watermarks on my images weirdly enough, not because of kinksters but because of kids and jackasses that felt the need to actively take photos from something they considered a gross kink blog.

>> No.10610923

>>10610571
Based

>> No.10610986

>>10610634
Ugh, some of you act like she revealed something private about Lor. Nothing, NOTHING about Lor's dumbass apology was private. It was very public, and stupid, and unwarranted.
>inb4 Lor can apologize for whatever she wants
When you're a public figure, your public actions set an example and have ramifications. You might be self-aware enough to not let it affect you, but Lor has enough of a following that it probably influenced some. And since the woke mob wanted her to crucify herself multiple times in public, it becomes a public issue. And Tyler has only ever spoken on public issues that were made so through social media. The one exception might be the John Leigh situation.

TL;DR you're a dimwit for even saying that.

>> No.10610988

>>10610986
No one ever said she revealed anything private. This comment was just someone saying Tyler seemed two faced.

Public figures are only important to mindless sheep who think everything anyone with a crumb of fame does is somehow relevant to their lives and means they have to do something. If Lor's stupidity means everyone else has to be a dumb pushover you people are the mentally weakest individuals I've ever seen in my life.

>> No.10611000

>>10610290
This. Taking what's in your closet to look as close to a character as possible can be creative, but so many people just grab random stuff and say fuck it

>> No.10611954

>>10607543
If you constantly complain about the "quality" of /cgl/ but didn't apply for a janny position then you have no right to complain.

>> No.10612058

>>10609928
this. Let's NOT forget that we're not competing with just the Japanese lolitas and ourselves anymore. Most of this buying-up is coming from China. If you disagree with this, then you're living in a hole and I'm not sure what else to tell you.

>> No.10612060

>>10610224
OH MY GOD, THIS. I am SO done with AP bootlickers. SO. DONE. Even the 2012 shit isn't god-tier quality. Just fucking SHUT UP.

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>>10611954
thank you

>> No.10612094

>>10610224
AP is mostly cotton now tho

>> No.10612121

>>10610464
I do love me some good sleeves. My arms get cold sometimes.

>> No.10612157

>>10612094
One collection with cotton solids and one recent cotton print release that isn't a rerelease doesn't mean mostly cotton. They were mostly cotton in the past and are barely returning. Until the majority of their prints are on cotton (not counting chiffon ones like MCD or HL, etc.) I wouldn't call them mostly cotton.

>> No.10612212

>>10612094
Lol no

>> No.10612233

>>10612094
AP is not cotton now
It’s moved to polyester

>> No.10612297

>>10610986
okay Tyler

>> No.10612601

skinny girls who complain about brands catering to fatties and the overweight or above people complaining about brands not catering to them are both equally insufferable

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>>10612094

>> No.10612820

>>10607576

popular opinion - trannies are all mentally ill and what they think about much of anything is irrelevant

>> No.10612911

>>10612601
This. I am so tired of this weird tit measuring contest I've watched go down in my comm about whether AP is oppressing fat people or skinny people more. It's fuckin annoying. Either it fits or it doesn't. No need to throw a fucking pity party one way or the other. The world doesn't revolve around you, and you are not entitled to AP that fits you.

>> No.10612918

>>10612094
now this is an unpopular opinion

>> No.10612963

>>10612601
Is everyone, like, super afraid to alter their dresses or something?

>> No.10612969

>>10612963
yes because ~resale value~ but that doesn't apply anymore

>> No.10612991

>>10612918
It's just an incorrect fact.

>> No.10612996

>>10612911
This. Like yes express some frustration but don't spend all day complaining over it, it makes anyone who does sound unhinged.

>> No.10613006

>>10612963
>>10612969
i dont get this at all. like i do in theory, but i have literally never bought something going "i can't wait to wear this a couple times and then sell it" i buy it to own it and use it. resale value does not even cross my mind unless i'm not sure it'll fit me or something

>> No.10613027

>>10612601
Feels like there’s no place for people in between. Support group for people who fit brand except the arm holes on OPs sometimes

>> No.10613093

>>10613027
big shouldered burando bitches brigade

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Saw this under a DI ad on facebook. God I hate Amerifats

>> No.10615416

>>10615380
Devil Inspired is trash anyway

>> No.10615460

My unpopular opinion is that there is too much fake shit in lolita. Fake leather, polyester synthetic bullshit, fake fur, acrylic hair... this stuff looks bad and tacky and costume-like. natural materials or bust

>> No.10615503

I help on the customer service side of a convention. I want to let you know that a percentage of the people that we deal with are fucking idiots. I deal with some of the dumbest mouth breathers in the world.

When we get a dumb question we put it in a group message so that we can laugh at you.

I'm sure that customer service people for a lot of companies deal with this so it isn't that unpopular.

I want to ask these people at times to not breed so that they don't bring more dumb people into the world.

>> No.10615511

>>10615503
conventions are very often attended by mentally disabled individuals. For some its part of learning to graduate out of assisted living, so may not know it but they were probably #actuallyautistic

>> No.10615516

>>10607543
My unpopular opinion is that brands shouldn't try to make fat friendly clothes if they're just going to make them high waist. I rather have no clothes than ones that cant even be half-assed

>> No.10615519

>>10615460
>>10615460
I agree hardcore with this

>> No.10615520

>>10615516
If you're truly fat and not just chubby/plus sized but a healthy size, then high waist is honestly better for you because it hides your huge waistline. Nothin will look good on you anyway.

>> No.10615523

>>10607610
I think barrettes in general look lacking

>> No.10615526

>>10608015
Its not tho, everything half way decent is getting price jumped

>> No.10615537

>>10615503
Senpai, thats just a normal day in retail

>> No.10615538

>>10615520
You're leaving out everyone with a bust size larger than C

>> No.10615539

>>10615538
Not really. The original anon mentioned fat friendly clothes. If you're actually fat even if your bust is large your waist will be as well so it hides your midsection far better to have a cut that stops just below the bust.

>> No.10615543

>>10615416
I know but the entitlement is making me more and more xenophobic when it comes to americans

>> No.10615548

>>10615539
I've been trying to tell my fellow fatties this but they don't listen to me.

>> No.10615556

>>10615548
Probably because your fellow fatties just think they are big boned/busty and won't admit their waist actually is fat.

>> No.10615822

>>10607632
YES
And especially some of the more commonly posted gothic lolitas always look like they're just doing the same co-ord with one small change.
Jennifer and Nicole in CoF always feel so samey whenever they post and I feel like they have nothing new or interesting to offer.

>> No.10615825

>>10608286
Oh yeah the sjw lolita groups were frothing for Tyler's blood long before the Lor thing. She doesn't drink all the kool-aid and doesn't try to hide that either.
Showing off her wardrobe and having a good partner also probably upsets the forever alone and poorfags lol

>> No.10615826

>>10615825
Actually before the Lor thing Tyler was seen as an SJW. She made videos about black women in lolita, defending fatties, is pro trans, etc.

>> No.10615828

>>10615826
Wasn't the vibe I was seeing in some groups but I don't drink any of the kool-aid so not sure if there are tiers to those types. I don't even remember what the big thing was but I want to say it was about not representing blacks enough or something.
The one group went from Tyler simps to angry villagers after 1 video (Pre Lor vid)

>> No.10615830

>>10615828
I don't join or read comments in fb or online groups so idk, but her actual video content for some vids was the type of stuff that would be considered super liberal and SJW, feminism, racial stuff, and her last somewhat research based video was the one about how fat people can't help their weight cause they're poor or American and also they're statistically more likely to be black because black people tend to be low income so fatphobia is racist. If that ain't SJW shit, I don't know what is.

She was always like that and only complained about SJWs when it was something she could twist for views during the Lor fiasco. Long before that video her content had already evolved into rehashing old drama people had already forgotten about in a snarky way. With this and the British vid, Tyler was just kind of using a handful of people online being upset with Lor as an excuse to make content about old drama under the guise of "I'm so totes just defending my friend" when really she knew it would generate attention and she could essentially gain sympathy by telling people it was in defense of poor widdle babby Lor and not the real reason which was views.

Acting like Tyler is so real and raw and tells it like it is and doesn't care about the annoying liberal SJWs is deluding yourself. She isn't here to call out woke culture in every respect, only in the ways she knows will make her money. She will always have the most popular takes, like that gatekeeping is good, actually, or that Lor didn't need to apologize for the like saga, but frame them as unpopular opinions so she and people with a victim or persecution complex can be like "yeah everyone else is so unreasonable I hate those guys" even though her opinion is what the majority of the community feels.

No one is jealous of her or her burando unless they're extremely new or underage. That argument is what whiny teen fangirls like to say.

>> No.10615833

>>10615830
>No one is jealous of her or her burando unless they're extremely new or underage

So most of the online comm then

>> No.10615854

>>10615822
Not a gothic lolita but Voldie also. She needs to learn a new hairstyle

>> No.10615868

>>10615833
There are tons of people who are active online that have been around forever. If the groups you interact with are flooded with newbs maybe that's a you thing or you are new yourself and need time to cultivate an online space with more experienced lolitas around you.

>> No.10615875

>>10615826
Tyler is hated among a lot of trans lolitas because she pretends she’s not transphobic but actually is

>> No.10615876

>>10615875
transphobia isn't real go outside tumblrina

>> No.10615881

>>10615876
transphobia is real, it's just not a negative thing. i personally am terrified of transpeople because i hate body modification/plastic surgery

>> No.10615883

>>10615875
Pretending to not be transphobic because she knows she'll be shat on for it is peak performative SJW behavior and more proof Tyler is just a wannabe edgelord and not the based god of salt "XD fuck sjdubbs" honesty her simps think she is.

Tyler likes to pretend she is not like other lolitas should be lovelies types but really she is just as concerned about appeasing SJW types as Lor is. She just handles it differently and in a crass way designed to garner attention. Just because she denounces the most extreme idiots doesn't mean she is really the anti woke champion she pretends to bem

>> No.10615884 [DELETED] 

>>10615881
>>10615875
you guys cant be for real lol

>> No.10615885 [DELETED] 

>>10615884
meant >>10615875 instead of >>10615868

>> No.10615887

>>10615883
do people not realize that her entire creative process is just watching dramu then forming the most extreme, unpopular opinion on it. that's why she goes SJW sometimes, she's trying to be unpopular, same reason she called out people during the lor thing, she's trying to be as contrarian as possible. that's why she has no real opinions and her videos with no dramu are bland at best.

>> No.10615889

>>10615887
I guess they genuinely are not aware of it. It's really apparent her goal is to be inflammatory at the expense of content quality, her "friends" like Lor, and her own audience if she thinks it'll get her enough views because most of her fans will get over it and come back later even if one video or two pushes them away.

I find her bland af in general, even in her videos where she pretends to be mean or have an interesting personality, and her verbal abuse of her boyfriend or whoever feels stale and only appealing to young people who think saying I hate you is just the cute way to say I love you. Idk somehow despite her dressing poorly and being way too nice, Lor has better content than Tyler to me even if she isn't my ideal lolita creator.

>> No.10615898

>>10615887
for tyler, all publicity is good publicity

>> No.10615899

>>10615889
lor would be fine but she has no idea how to style herself to look nice, especially her makeup/hair. she's a prime example of lolitas who never had previous interest in any fashion or makeup before they started wearing lolita, and it shows. because of that, she attracts a specific kind of delusional noob. her relationship with her fans is pretty weird desu, because she's insecure and needs praise/validation(why she's so willing to bend over backwards) but her fans also need the same praise/validation from her videos to even wear lolita. it's a strange parasocial codependant relationship.

>> No.10615930

>>10615868
NTAYR but you honestly sound kinda new yourself a lot of people who have been around for a long time actually pulled away from the big online sm spaces or have gone completely private. A lot of the bigger online spaces are terribly run and cater to the new and young plaguing the fashion. While 'vetted' groups are boring because people are still scared of their efame rating dropping if they make a faux pas and then just come here to drop their real thoughts anyways.

Personally I just think Tyler caters to whatever she thinks will get her clout and is probably your average white Texan who surrounds herself with the same. I mean her original content was goth and industrial dancing iirc so shes just spitballed her hobbies until something stuck.

>> No.10615932

>>10615930
>a lot of people who have been around for a long time actually pulled away from the big online sm spaces or have gone completely private

I never said the online spaces had to be very large or public?

>> No.10615940

>>10615932
I'm sure you are just going to nitpick through excuses until people can't be bothered to point out your autism any more. Generally private groups are private for a reason and you told anon they need to find these elusive groups and be around these more experienced lolitas but common sense would say good luck with landing that invitation if said people aren't in the more general lolita spaces.

>> No.10615941

>>10615881
it's either misogyny or homophobia. no one has any way of knowing your invisible gender feels. a guy who get hate crimed for wearing a dress and makeup in no way deserves it because I think we should all dress how we want, but his attacker has zero way of seeing inside his head and seeing if he has gender fee fees or not. all he sees is a guy in a dress and gender nonconformity is associated with gayness. it's a homophobic hate crime

>> No.10615944

>>10607549
This, it's just that a small group of fatties yell louder than most normal people together.

>> No.10615949

>>10615940
Kek someone is mad their attempt to feel cool calling someone a newfag didn't work out as expected.

>> No.10616104

>>10615883
Man, it's times like these where I sit back and wonder, do Japanese lolitas ever have this degree of absolutely cringe drama? It sounds so nice to not have this kind of shit in your community.

>> No.10616107

>>10616104
Of course not, they’re too busy actually wearing the fashion

>> No.10616144

Don't know if it's as unpopular as I think,but I don't really like patterns/prints except for florals.Brand prints look nice in pictures,but they never look like something I'd actually wear,more like something a model would wear to show off once and never again.It's the same with styIes like decora which are a melting pot of items and aesthetics on purpose.I tend to gravitate towards styles like nanchatte,mori or classical due to this as well.Maybe it's just my inner normie showing

>> No.10616155

>>10616144
florals are solids in lolita

>> No.10616205

>>10616155

Florals are patterns dumbass.

>> No.10616211

>>10616155
Imagine being this level of dumb

>> No.10622761

I stopped being nice to amazon lolitas and honestly? Seeing them seethe over being told that they look like cheap shit and art thieves is very amusing.

>> No.10622791

>>10616144
normies wear prints all the time..........and this is not an unpopular or weird opinion, it's just a preference

>> No.10622792

>>10615875
If Tyler actually had the balls to say "fuck trannies" in a video I'd give her all my money.

>> No.10622797

>>10607623
Good lolita is not cheap, but if somebody budgets well, they can afford good lolita. Not to mention you can search for good secondhand brand.

The thing I have issue with is resellers like DI convincing newbies that lolita is garbage taobao egirl shit. Some taobao is good, much of it is not, especially for those who haven't figured out quality.

>> No.10622822

>>10622791
>normies wear prints all the time
Only trashy normalfags wear prints. At least where I’m from. It’s most obvious at the gym, in the nicer areas everyone wear plain shirts and closer to the city or in statistical low income areas there are more graphic tees. It actually made me self conscious about what I wear lol

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>>10622822
I feel like you're an idiot who doesn't know what printed textiles actually are.

>> No.10622843

>>10622841
I just used the gym as an easy example as that’s where I noticed first myself. Your pic proves my point.

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>>10622822
Your town sounds pretty boring

>> No.10622849

>>10622797

Yes. A handful of high quality pieces is worth more than a whole wardrobe full of DI junk.

>> No.10623138

>>10622844
i like those shoes, what would they be called, cut out booties or something

>> No.10623145

>>10616211
>>10616205
samefag, florals are a consistent design typically.

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>>10622822
prints as in border prints or graphic tees yeah, but I swear to god if you think Lilly Pulitzer is trashy then every single Southern sorority sister and her monogramed tote mom will fight you.

>> No.10623281

I see no appeal in lolita meetups.

>> No.10623284

>>10623281
same. comms are full of people i make fun of here. usually i will join a comm to attend a few meets with them and get friends who wear lolita outside of meets to hang out with.

>> No.10623297

>>10607543
Fat people are beautiful. Don't be mad because other people look different.

>> No.10623298

>>10623281
>>10623284
It's because any sane lolita would absolutely kick you people in the neck

>> No.10623302

>>10623298
Justify comms when they're full of itas, 90ccm waist fattychans and tr00ns all trying to get the rich black lolita to give gibbs to them

>> No.10623303

>>10623302
Sounds good to me. Comms better without you elitists.

>> No.10623336

>>10623303
If only that were the case. The itas are always trying to get the popular/it girls to come to meets, they literally reschedule meets if its only other itas (and they will tailor it to the popular girls' schedules)

There was one ita who regularly gets sub 10 likes on her coord pics, and got 100+ for the first time when she had a brandwhore in it. It was awkward and sad when she just couldn't get WHY no one liked her normal ugly coords and would complain nonstop. She figured it out but now just tries to use other girls as props in her photos.

>> No.10623384

>>10607576
lol die mad. it’s no different than cis brolitas

>> No.10623386

>>10607610
agree

>> No.10623402

>>10607576
Plenty of trans people don't have dysphoria because they were able to transition at a younger age. Dysphoria is more common in adults who transition than children and teens, because there's less of a social ego to respond to.

>> No.10623439

>>10623297
I don't think fat people are unworthy of love or anything but why is it only women who care about fatphobia and not men? I think it's because men aren't willing to lie to themselves -

Even as fat men, they prefer skinny women.

Fat women also prefer skinny men.

Skinny people in both male and female same sex relationships are also highly sought after.

Outliers exist obviously but in general this the preference that all people across all cultures have. I believe in body acceptance but "Fat is beautiful" is just a pandering lie. How about "being beautiful is not important in life, we should all stop tying women's worth to her attractiveness and beauty since it disproportionately affects them"

>> No.10623443

>>10607822
you bitch about this every thread too

>> No.10623450

>>10623297
nah man they're gross

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>>10623281
Agreed
I'd rather just hang out with my group of friends that can actually dress themselves.

>> No.10623456

>>10607543
Regardless of whatever junk you have in your pants if you are dressing up in a revealing costume to get attention but complain about "fat neckbeard creeps" asking for pics or ogling you then you have ZERO right to bitch about it. The type of people you are hoping to try and get the attention of are like maybe 10% of the total convention crowd. So either deal with like 3's and 4's asking for a pic of/with you or just pick a less revealing costume next time.

>> No.10623481

>>10623146
Sorority sisters and monogrammed tote mom's are 1000% trashy wtf are you on

>> No.10623590

>>10610530
>get over whatever is holding them back from trying fiberglass, plastic or metalworking
I agree that there’s a lot of projects people use foam for that would be a lot better in other materials, but clearly cost is an issue. If you’re working with those other materials, you need power tools, which gets expensive pretty fast. Meanwhile Eva foam just needs an exacto and contact cement. Honestly the only reason I’m able to use nicer materials is because my dad owns so many tools

>> No.10623593

>>10623450
everyone's fat according to the anachans here, everyone's gross

>> No.10623819

when people brag about how much they wear lolita, even if they're sick or at home and that you need to wear it 24/7 i just assume they must be LARPing or projecting.

>> No.10623820

>>10623481
lmao the difference between trashy vs eccentric is how much money you have. Sorority girls usually aren't poor and Pulitzer ain't cheap.

>> No.10623834

>>10623439
As a fat man, I don't prefer skinny women. I also know a lot of men who don't. They either don't have a body preference or a bunch of them prefer heavier bodies.

Beauty standards have been shown to be social constructs, there's nothing natural about them. The most we can attribute to "nature" is *maybe* wide hips and big breasts because symbols of motherhood, but even those forces haven't been shown to have much primacy in most people.

Fat people are just as beautiful as everyone else.

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>>10623820
>Pulitzer ain't cheap
But it sure as hell isn’t expensive either

>> No.10623866

>>10608253
people say this then they post casual coords to the ita thread. Sorry i'm not wearing my OTT OPs and bonnets to the grocery store, but I will def run errands in a cutsew and skirt.

desu the people (iykyk) who post the full ott coords in target or daiso make our hobby look even more cringe and weeby than it already is

>> No.10623889

>>10623834
Absolutely nothing natural about the size of current day people. I already said you were an outlier. You and your fat scrote buddies are not the norm. Just ask yourself this, do you think you and your fatness is attractive? If you could snap your fingers and have a fit, healthy body, you would do it in an instant and whatever excuse you give we both know is a lie.

>> No.10623891

>>10623889
Depending on where they live Fat might be the norm you never know

>> No.10623921

>>10623402
Gender Dysphoria isn't a "social ego" issue. It's a mental disorder. Stop with the gender-special bullshit that has no basis in real psychological science

>> No.10623927

>>10623820
$88 a shirt is cheap for wealthy sorority girls. That’s how much I spend on the nonlolita part of my wardrobe

>> No.10623938

>>10623921
Saying "dysphoria is learned behavior" is more terf shit than genderspecial shit

>> No.10624036

>>10623456
>b-but she was asking for it
Stop justifying being a creep

>> No.10624301
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10624301

The lolita community often normalises unhealthy and downright reckless spending habits and shopping addictions. Being unable to save for the sake of buying 'moar burando' isn't 'quirky'.

>> No.10624303

>>10624036
stop replying to bait, anon

>> No.10624661

>>10623938
Very much so. It's going to make it much harder for true trans people to be accepted in society.

>> No.10624668

>>10624301
i don’t think that’s actually an unpopular opinion in practice regardless of how things like that are discussed or joked about in the community most lolitas i know can prioritize and pay their bills just fine

>> No.10624671

>>10623866
I love wearing OTT cords everywhere desu
ive worn hime lolita to mcdonald and i have no shame

>> No.10624673

>>10624036
NTA but in what the scrote is describing he is correct. He said pics and ogling, not touching etc. If you dress up in any cosplay you have no right to complain about people asking for your pic at a con, and no, there is no such thing as raping someone with your eyes. If you wear a revealing costume, no matter your gender, body type or presentation, people are gonna notice, and a lot of people are going to stare.

>> No.10624674

>>10624668
Interesting. most of the lolitas I know irl are drowning in debt. I have three personal friends that throw basically every dollar they have at burando in the hopes that Biden or somebody else is going to take care of their college debt, and that no one will notice that they live in a shit hole apartment. I have had numerous lace market transactions go awry in ways so financially irresponsible I literally could not comprehend. The only neg feedback I've ever written went to this girl who wanted a payment plan on a <$200 item, then asked for her payments to be refunded so that she could buy food for the week, then ultimately canceled the sale, then later bought one of my BIN listings and had the audacity to ask for a payment plan again even though the item was literally $40. It's not just a meme. I've seen plenty of ya'll with 0 financial planning skills.

>> No.10624679

>>10624301
This. I don't have a ton of burando, but I do have a a mortgage and my apartment has gained almost 100k in value over the last 4 years, with a huge spike during covid. Buying a $300 dress isn't the only difference between being a homeowner or not, but it really adds up when you consider it in light of first time buyer programs and other down payment support options. Lolita is not worth getting into debt over, and that money is almost always better spent elsewhere if you're at all tight on cash. Financial awareness seems to be a real problem in my comm and I've seen people literally not be able to afford any food at meet-ups, but will show up in full brand. So embarassing Tbh.

>> No.10624698

i HATE milky sky (thot dress) i HATE honey cake (cow/old lady dress) i HATE fatties who are so entitled that they post incessantly about how brands need to cater to land whales and ignore the brands that already do

>> No.10624797

>>10615944
It's due to the increased resonance from their large torsos, like Pavarotti

>> No.10624845

>>10624797
By this logic, skinny people should be quiet and yet here they are, screetching.

>> No.10624847

>>10607576
Hi actual doctors disagree with you.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/symptoms-causes/syc-20475255

>> No.10624853

>>10624698
>milky sky
lol

>> No.10624859

>>10624698
>ignore the brands that already do

I agree the whining is annoying (prior to losing weight I simply ponied up to alter pieces or made things myself), but like, Lady Sloth and a large majority of non-old school sweet pieces made by indie brands and taobao brands are ugly as shit or low quality (ex: VFs Otome Nostalgia looks okay generally but feels like garbage and fits poorly, even at my current size of US small, I bet it looks worse on the larger sizes); I don't blame fatties for not buying them in general, just on aesthetic or quality preference and design alone.

That's no excuse to demand brands fit them though. Meta has a ton of nice pieces they regularly release in two levels of extremely large plus sizes for all and fat people now, and while everything isn't an AP style print, many of them are still cute and if you're just buying a few things here and there/not feeding a shopping addiction every week when new stuff releases, it shouldn't be an issue that the stuff in more print focused sweet cutesy styles is spaced further apart. Even BABY still releases mostly or fully shirred skirts that look pretty okay on plus sizes. Many overweight people are just obsessed with AP cause it's the most popular brand rather than concerned about practical ways to wear lolita as a plus sized person, but they also don't have to buy ugly indie brands no one of any size would want to "prove" they really care.

>> No.10624940

>>10607550
Ddlg? Ah, you mean doki doki literature guns.

>> No.10624953

>>10607543
Unpopular Opinion: you guys talk about Lolita way too much on here. There's other fashion too you know.

>> No.10626149

anorexic bitches are as pathetic as fatty-chans

>> No.10630854

Trans women are women. I know this because women can't fucking stand being around one another, and /cgl/ seethes endlessly about potentially sharing a board with trans women.