/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10593068
This is the worst thing I've seen in a while

>>10593068
I mean, awful outfit, but I don’t think it was intended to be lolita.

>>10593070
more little heads pleeease

>>10593084
it was posted on r/lolita and she was bitchy when told her silhouette was off lol

>>10593091
>her

>>10593091
Yeah I just saw... damn I was trying to give ((it)) the benefit of the doubt

>>10593103
genderspecials are automatically ita

>>10593068
This is very Jane marple editorial vibes

>>10593103
Get your filthy e scum out of my lolita

>>10593068
I like op pic. Reminds me of etc or olive magazines

>>10593114
Why tf did he shoop himself in??

>>10593068
i was gonna say its really cute if you don't call it lolita but after this >>10593091 never mind kek

>>10593070
passes the sticker test

>>10593114
already posted in the last thread >>10592869

>>10593069
aside from the need for a wig, this ain't that bad. nitpick

>>10593068
She’s inspired by the ~early lolita silhouette~

>>10593068
Ah yes, the beginning if lolita in 2015. I remember it as if it was yesterday.

>>10593148
>>10593068

This is pretty close to what I pictured strawberry switchblade anon to look like -- out of touch, and trying to edgelord as a know-it-all when they are, in fact, a relatively out-of-touch newbie wearing a bunch of loliables. kek.

>>10593160
now that you mention it

>>10593163
>>10593068

It's even stupider, because the topic wasn't talked about much outside of cgl, so bringing that up means OP either started that thread or at least got that idea from cgl. If they hang out here, then you don't have to feel bad about making fun of their coords, because normally they would be here shitting on other people's coords. They don't seem to have a good reaction to being told the silhouette isn't lolita, so you bet they're normally bitchy anyway.

Not only that, but the thread itself didn't receive positive reactions, gulls already told OP it's not lolita. So for OP to continue forward with this dumb idea when they were already told it's dumb, is, well, ...dumb.

I have no sympathy for OP, really. If they were really here since 2015 there's a bunch of other things they could have done than follow a thread on cgl and then expect to get hugboxed when cgl already told them the idea is stupid.

>>10593068
I feel so bad for this girl in picrel. She's worried about looking ita with an AP fullset

>>10593103
vendetta

>>10593189
Have this word lost its meaning?

>>10593120
A lot of stuff gets reposted if the limit was hit, so it’s ok.

>>10593069
This coord is fine, the hair just doesn’t match

>>10593187
She needs to take a deeeeep breath and get over herself. What’s even the point of participating in this fashion if you agonize over every little decision like this? I’d rather be an ita desu...

>>10593068
Is this a man?

>>10593103
Not sure why people don't like this, it looks closer to old school lolita than most "old school" coordinates we see nowadays. Vkei and punk had huge influences on lolita back then and this reminds me of that

>>10593215
I’m guessing it was posted because bondage elements, plus it really does look modern. I don’t see where you’re gathering “this is true old school” from besides the milk-chan bag.
>>10593068 looks more like true old school street snaps. It reminds me of an ETC advert even if I don’t like it.

>>10593211
>What’s even the point of participating in this fashion if you agonize over every little decision like this?

The fear of having her pictures posted here, anon.

>>10593103
I like it. It is experimental, but includes every element of lolita. It also is balanced.

>>10593187
I am so annoyed by the people, which are too afraid to atually get their shi.t togethere.. like just do it and stop annoying everyone. Its just a first coord, and doenst hast to be perfect anyways

>>10593233
Haters gonna hate. People have to get over that. And stop caring about strangers opinions.

>>10593187
I feel like “full set” coords look fine, just boring.

>>10593103
>>10593070
Id smash desu

>>10593187
She’s just wanting asspats for her first coord being all brand.

>>10593187
Big ita energy

>>10593070
The more I see this dress coorded the more I'm convinced it's an it's magnet.
Kind of sad since the print is great but the cut isn't flattering and most coords are awful.

>>10593311
God, if she just wore socks or OTKs she'd have such a good coord

>>10593328
>such a good coord
i mean it'd go from ita to mediocre at best even if she did change that calamity of a "headdress" that is her bobby pinned waistbow

>>10593215
>looks closer to old school lolita than most "old school" coordinates

>>10593215
Oh yeah you know those classic old school staples like bondage harnesses and baggy e girl long sleeves

>>10593215
as an old school fan who practically worships old fruits snaps, i am severely offended

>>10593103
Its the titty straps for me, jfc.

>>10593103
I think its actually really cute if she took off all the harnesses

>>10593233
Just don’t go on cgl. This isn’t rocket science.

>>10593187
I literally had to close fb and walk away after I saw this. I was pretty anxious when I started out too but this is so absolutely goddamn exhausting. At this point, is your hobby enjoying cute fashion or is it finding newer and more horrible ways to stress yourself out?

Imagine boasting about all your "expensive" lolita shit while wearing an AP replica

>>10593429
Ugly lace for proof

>>10593433
The funniest part is that she tells people in the comments to not buy replicas (whoops)

>>10593430
is that the old man that kept popping up in CoF?

>>10593070
>>10593087

>>10593311

>>10593311

>>10593103
>Lain shirt
kek every time

“Hey uglies, putting together my first coord. No concrit. I’m getting the dress from devil inspired.”

>>10593468
Oh God that really ups the cringe factor

>>10593433
looks like dollar store lace thats been machine washed

>>10593103
it’s obvious the op is too short for her but she’s still trying to make it work with that harness. some lolitas need to learn to just let pieces go that don’t fit istg

>>10593471
Can I ask everyone why they hate Devil Inspired? I bought off there after I saw my friend's dress from there and the quality was good, shipping was slow but that's to be expected.
I know people are mad that they upsell, but I cross-referenced some dresses with other resellers and the price never differed by more than $20. Which, honestly, $20 shouldn't be that much of an issue if you're spending $300+ on coordinations. I'm not excusing that it is upselling, but it's not like you're spending hundreds more than you would otherwise. Maybe there are other instances of bad upselling, but I've had no terrible experiences.
I'm willing to pay extra to use a website that's in English, not to mention that they allow returns and customer service is responsive. So idk.

>>10593575
I think some people hate it because they sell a lot of cringey egirl shit too

>>10593575
People just don’t like it because if expensive taobao and the fact that they don’t really separate lolita from idol or menhera/yamikawaii clothing they sell so it brings alot of itas around claiming they are wearing lolita because some random weeaboo rabbit dress had the tag lolita in the name

>>10593575
rose nocturnalia (?) did a youtube video where she compared reseller prices to taobao, and they upcharge something like twice the original price. So buying from a reseller is considered stupid. Plus you can still browse their english website for ideas but then find the dress you like on Taobao.

>>10593103
Looks like a less manly angeleeku

>>10593575
DI is fine, they're literally just a limited SS with a fancy shop front. they just tend to be more expensive than doing all the legwork. Personally I've found DI only costs a little more then my usual SS charges, so if I'm doing a really huge complicated order and all the pieces are on DI I'll just buy it from them and save myself a headache.

People hate them because Lor shills them and they're "overpriced" (though really it's just the usual SS fees plus a bit extra for the convenience) and they make taobao more accessible to itas who buy shitty dresses, and newbies who are afraid to buy off taobao.

>>10593068
She looks like a dried out piece of broccoli

>>10593303
Any print that comes in a wider side range from unfortunately becomes and ita magnet because the fatty Chan’s get their hands on it

>>10593575
I personally think DI is fine. I don’t mind their prices and if I think they’re upselling a specific piece too much, I get it from elsewhere

>>10593649

>>10593303
I think the cut is flattering actually. For skinny people at least. It hits the natural waistline and makes thin people still look snatched.

>>10593651

>>10593068
outside of the foot/leg wear choice, I dig this.
Not as an outfit to go out in, but shins up would look good in a mori/jm type of shoot
>>10593103
ignoring all the little combinations that make this bad, she looks over stuffed with that thick sweater underneath
>>10593649
It would be cute if it wasn't baby's first sewing project
>>10593655
"yes this is kawaii, I will post this on social media"

>>10593676
>>10593649
Too bad this is a real Jsk
Someone posted it in the coord help thread hope this isn't you anon oof

>>10593649
Is this the psycho nazi hawaiian girl?

>>10593187

I think she probably is flexing, but I'd take this opportunity to remind folks that these Sweet Cream House otks exist.

I've never seen a decent coord with them, and the best SCH coords all feature socks other than these "set" ones. Proof that full set doesn't always work.

>>10593714
I mean they match the dress though, doesn't mean the dress can't be coorded better but full sets do tend to match the pieces from that set

>>10593187
The poor girl is gonna look ita because of her insecure she is

>>10593717

No, the socks themselves are ita-makers. When they were released a lot of girls ended up in the ita threads because people thought they were wearing socks-over-socks, and also nitpicked the biscuits theme.

The highpoint was when someone wearing SCH with SCH socks got posted and anons commented her socks didn't match. It's... well, you said it's a set and should match, and yet there in the cgl archives are a bunch of anons saying the girl wearing SCH socks didn't match SCH, so...

To be fair to AP, I think this is the one and only set like this. Even the Holy Lantern socks that people complained about the colours were still matching to each other.CDC is whole different issue of newbies being lazy about blue (ao) and blue (navy). SCH socks are the only ones with this itamaker problem.

>>10593278

I understand the joy of having nice things, but I don't understand people who are proud of themselves for owning them. They took no part in making those nice things. They just paid the money.

>>10593721
The socks can match and still look ugly to people when coorded. Some people just think certain things look bad. I'll take your word that they don't match when worn though.

Even given the sch issue, she is coording a different dress and the set does all match, and even if the socks didn't, she had a second sock option that also matched? Seems silly of her to be worried about being called an ita over a perfectly matching set, but then again gull in this thread literally did call her one just for being overly self conscious and accusing her of wanting asspats.

>>10593724
What’s an asspat?

>>10593724

This isn't about the girl though, like I said, I'm just taking the opportunity to remind people that even a full set from brand doesn't always mean it isn't ita.

So I can see the point in someone insecure asking for opinions whether the sets look okay or if it's another SCH repeat.

Well, it's either that or to remind newbies that full sets aren't always safe anyhow. There's always a lot of other factors that go into whether or not a coord is ita, as you've said.

>>10593721

Kek imagine thinking just because cgl says so something made by the brand to match an item doesn't match.

The socks are ugly as sin tho but so is the print and the dusty weird shade of the pink colorway

>>10593723

Current year with the stimmy checks, the AP thread is going bananas over how difficult the bloodbaths are, so if someone managed to check out a popular full set including alternative legwear and multiple accessories, that might be worth crowing about.

I'm not too sure about this set, though, iirc it was one of the less popular ones, so yeah, nothing much to brag about.

>>10593698
That's a dress someone sold? Yikes

>>10593726
>Anon cries to the internet about something for attention
>People pat them on the ass i.e. coddle and reassure them because they're oh so pitiful and everyone else is just mean and horrible

>>10593769

>>10593771

>>10593773

>>10593764
If someone patted me on the ass I would consider that sexual harassment anon

>>10593773
Already posted ffs >>10593114

>>10593769
Also already posted in the last thread >>10592711

>>10593771
Is this ita if she was inspired by GLB?
>>10593773
Repost
>>10593775
Nitpick

>>10593771
This is cute

>>10593778
>Nitpick
That bonnet is terrible anon... tried to handmake an AP thing? lmao.

being a newfag and trying to find something very affordable, of decent quality that will fit a slightly overweight man is impossible
for someone like me, I think I should go for a more goth look since black slims you down a bit, right?

>>10593103
this is what devilinspired did to lolita

This mess isn't even lolita. It's not a coord, it can't be fixed. According to Lor & her Loritas this is fine. People can't even identify what makes a coord lolita. RIP lolita fashion.

>>10593794
It’s sad that this is one of her better ones

>>10593801
ngl , aside from the footwear, cheap apron and skirt fabric, this is sorta cute in a non-lolita way

>>10593771
not ita in the slightest

>>10593771
really like this coord desu

>>10593794
what is ita about this? I literally don't see it other than the short hair

>>10593841
She gets posted a lot because she's a spoopy skele anachan

>>10593841
Does she have short hair? I feel like she just pulls it back into a bun or ponytail or something. Hair is just boring looking. This really is one of her better coords.

>>10593856
Anorexia causes hair loss/damage so she's probably hiding it

>>10593103
It reminds me too much of this dumb Haruhi gothic lolita-like outfit.

>>10593778
You have absolute shit taste. It's about as shit and bland as any casserole at a white Baptist brunch after service.

>>10593884
omg you're right >>10593103 looks like a plain clothes cosplay

>>10593884
>>10593904
This actually makes me like it more.

>>10593721
I could coord these perfectly fine? Though most AP hypersweets can't coord their way out of a cardboard box, to be fair.

>>10593189
did you miss the part where she wears a oversize sweater *under* the blouse?

>>10593187
I'm so annoyed at how all these special snowflakes type like a 12-year-old when they're supposedly adults. Also:
>I've heard some lolitas complain in the past about APs animal ears, saying that angelic pretty ears look tacky
Highly doubt. They either just say animal ears in general are tacky or they say brand has made some that can work in a themed coord, but the ears need to be high quality in which case they take brand ones like AP and BTSSB as example of good ones. She just really wants to flex her burando, with all this empathize on AP wherever she can put it. Which is even more sad because she's also continuously talking about how broke she is. Like bitch, you bought a full set of AP with multiple headdresses and socks you don't even know will look good just to test and are flexing your burando, but you're too broke for a bag or a wig? Flexing having expensive shit doesn't really work that way. Real topkek imho.

>>10593190
It has since those FB hugbox enforcing people came to 4chan trying to do the same here

>>10593200
Anon who posted. Thank you for defending me but I have to admit I just forgot to check, then went checking the last bit of the last thread after posting instead of before just to find out it was already there and feeling stupid. I deserved those already posted comments. No one wants to see the same ita outfit more than once, burns the eyes.

>>10593233
Pretty much anyone has their picture posted here sooner or later. It's not a big deal. See if anyone has something useful to say, half the time if it's not that bad they'll just say nitpick or ignore it. If it really is bad, critique is harsh but generally useful if you read between the hate comments. If that's too mentally difficult, just don't go to 4chan. It's not exactly known for being nice and its reputation is worse than cgl, so that alone should keep people like that away.

Like really, no one is going to wear anything alternative or even normie streetwear stuff that's more extra than the basics without ever being judged. It's something you need to be able to deal with one way or another if you're gonna wear alt fashion. At least being posted here tends to have a more useful result than catcallers on the street.

>>10593120
>>>10593070 passes the sticker test

Imagine thinking "fat" passes the sticker test. So many people really come in here to defend others.

>>10593219
>>10593215
I really don't mind the bondage elements. I do mind looking like an at AliExpress shopping e-thot who can't iron her ruffles aesthetic. Also, a badly aged wall and the laundry shop (based on the numbers, sorry can't think of the actual word for it) is rarely a good place for photos. Only time I've seen a shot there look not completely horrible was in the MV from which pic-related comes, but it still felt kinda odd imho. Especially when it started snowing inside.
Besides, her bondage element looks like it's made of those cheap fabric dog collars with plastic rings, and I'm not sure if it's better or worse than that super cheap-looking pleather ones.

>>10593429
kek it are always the complete poorfags who'd wish to be rich so badly they try to fake it too hard while not even coming close to being believable. Guess it;s because they're too poor to even have an idea what anything worth it's money looks like.

>>10593430
I have to say, dimming the lights helps. Because we see less of him. Next time it should be completely dark, like you can't see a thing dark. That'll sure be a huge improvement!

>>10593456
for a moment I thought pinhead chan just got a new outfit kek

>>10593575
I don't care for their upsell really. It's easy enough to buy elsewhere. What I hate is that they seem to search for all this cheaper fast-fashion brands that have no style more than other resellers (or at least popular ones), causing many newbies to think e-thot lolita is a thing and that those things in worse quality farbics than your basic F24, H&M, etc items is the great high-end quality of lolita while in reality it looks like they shopped for a Halloween costume on AliExpress. I don't like seeing that look normalised.

>>10593649
When your face is half pink half orange and full of image artifacts, and your mouth looks like you tried to swoop them into geisha lips you should have noticed that's too much filter. Also looks like she has no brows and had Meitu draw those on her.

>>10593651
The one in the middle pulls of that horrible outfit looking fabulous, but that girl looking like she's dead inside and the other girl looking like those girls feeling truly cute in cheap horrible looking crap ruin it.

>>10593723
>They just paid the money.
Getting money can be difficult trough. Flexing expensive clothes is just an extension of flexing your riches. Why do you think the cheap merchandise items of luxury brands and not really but wanna be designer brands like Micheal Kors have logo's stamped all over them? People wanna act rich and show off, being too poorfag to spot real riches but knowing most other people are too who cares.

>>10593726
People telling you you're so great for stuff absolutely nothing worth mentioning, not that special or not costing any effort just so you feel good.

Lot's of snowflakes feel like the whole world should give this to everyone all the time so we can all feel great about achieving nothing in life and not even trying. More easy than actually doing something after all.

>>10593778
It is if she's not pulling it off and looks horrible, like she does

>>10593790
I always like seeing that shibari/kinbaku in an artistic way, but this is not good in any way. She just looks like a creepy kinkster with a plain dress at best, and you can't see the actual binding nor the girl well. Besides no one wants to see the photographer in such things. Imagine missing the mark on both things this hard.

>>10593794
To be fair I don't think this is outfit that bad, but the girl looks like she has a serious health issue yet doesn't look as weird as anorexic people. Her complexion looks too healthy. Maybe that illness where you're bones decrease, like that girl living like a living doll due to that in that infamous documentary? If so I feel bad for her, but also good that she's living her life.

>>10593806
So aside of half her outfit it's cute? I don't think that's really a compliment...

>>10593992
She is literally anorexic.

>>10593996
Her skin is looking surprisingly healthy then compared to other anorexics I saw. But maybe it's just make-up, good use of highlighter & bronzer. Hope she gets help and recovers. This outfit isn't that bad itself, if she recovers and dresses like this and improves from there, I think she'll be fine.

>>10593790
it looks like it's just a dude with a floating ghost dress

>>10593794
Oh man I didn't know this was still posting. I hope she gets better

>>10594000
She's in kinbaku anon. It's literally a fetish shot, be it a bad one.

>>10593997
she's been like this for years I don't think I've ever seen her talk about recovering once

>>10593955
Imagine your future bride is actually an old man

>>10593794
she's ana and also a mega weirdo don't feel bad for her. she's entitled as fuck she already asked girls to sell them their shit, guilt trip via DMs and makes woe is me suicide bait stories on IG all the time. Fuck her

>>10593433
not just the lace, the fabric used for happy garden is textured. looks nothing like what's in that pic

>>10593468
what's wrong with Lain?

>>10594271
I had to unfollow her, the woe is me shtick got old fast

>>10594271
I blocked her because she was very triggering to me. It’s obvious she’s mentally ill, has a shopping addiction, and really needs help.

I wonder if she does the same suicide baity shit to her poor mother when she won’t buy her new AP pieces after her “urgent sales” don’t go for her asking prices.

>>10594337

>>10594337
Weooiwwwww very edgy

>>10594338

>>10594341

>>10594345

>>10594337
This could be cuter if they got rid of the wig and either used their own hair or a brown/black wig

>>10594347

>>10594337
Why does this look like that one girl with the same terrible bangs except it's her own hair?

>>10594349

>>10594351
Who?

>>10594352
she ate the other lolita

>>10594352
What is going on with her foot

>>10594338
has there ever been a single coord that looks good with those dumb boots?

>>10594382
diabeetus

>>10594338
Holy shit everything about this is so ugly

>>10594391
i cackled

>>10593771
I don't like whatever is going on with her neckwear. Too busy. Don't like the makeup.

>>10594341
Every time I see those lizlisa replica boots I die because I was obsessed with the real ones back when I was gal. Ruined ; a ;

>>10594602

>>10594604

>>10594602
I like the otome nostalgia line a lot more when it's worn casually like this desu

>>10594604
Okay, this is much more creepier than the large plush bunny wearing coords

>>10594605
who called this lolita?
>>10594602
skirt down is the bad bit, add a skater skirt and some strap shoes and it would look alright (not lolita though)

>>10594605
This looks like a room for camwhoring

>>10594605
found in the lolita fashion hashtag...

>>10594602
This is fine.

>>10594665
Nitpick

>>10594349
Why do people insist on wearing those awful cheap heart ring chokers. I've never seen them look good with a coord.

>>10594602
this is just casual

>>10594602
This is super cute to me, one of the better otome nostalgia coords I've seen. Not sure what makes it ita unless you're one of those people that think septum piercings and rainbow hair are always ita

>>10594605
the wig is so good, wtf went wrong with everything else

>>10594827
That person is just 100% a cam whore. As far as I know their girlfriend is the one who dresses him. I really didn't expect to see him on here, because he's not lolita at all..

>>10594827
are you 5? have you never seen a wig?

>>10593068
she looks like she goes to BLM protests and starts sentences with "as a lightskin black person"

>>10594665
Why do so many itas have this dress now, is it on aliexpress or something?

>>10594347
This would be cute with less retarded hair accessories it’s like she had no headwear and raided the children’s section at goodwill

>>10594927
I wish furries would get the fuck out of lolita, it's so easy to tell the difference between someone wearing small ears because it matches and furries trying to get away with being degenerate

>>10594604
Good god what the hell

>>10594742
Isnt the heart ring choker the shitty BDSM equivalent of getting married or something?

>>10595005
not in all cases, sometimes people just wear it for the fashion. not that it always works lol

>>10595005
I think to many it's just a combi of edgy and cute, much like the whole pastel goth trend (who seemed to love them, I suspect such fashions introduced it to the current gen of edgy normies as a fashion statement). Sometimes see them with other things like stars too. I've never seen them not be tacky tho.

>>10594742
Because they either lack fashion sense or are too stupid to get a subtle, versatile day collar.

>>10595030
>>10594742
I don't think anyone is wearing it for actual bondage

>>10595035
I've seen plenty of people state that their bf gave it to them and they can never take it off as a coy way to say they have a master slave relationship.
There was a girl wearing a nearly exact collar in the last thread who said that.
There are definitely people who wear these for fashion but people who are actually into S/M don't just do it for the aesthetic.

>>10594927
>menhera tights with dreamy dollhouse
Imagine lacking taste this much

>>10595043
Ah I meant M/S not S/M

>>10593884
leave my girl Haruhi out of this

>>10595043
>fashion but people who are actually into S/M don't just do it for the aesthetic.
Why are they using a shit leather collar for it, though? Most of the collars you see people wearing are cheap, so the assumption is really just for aesthetics.

Really just seems like people are running around playing fantasy with the lightest hint of bondage with those heart chokers. Fuck if that would be comfortable. Also why the hell is anyone talking about their sexcapades in any form publicly as a lolita? That starts making it seem like it's crossing into DDLG territory and cheap collars are all over the place in DDLG, rather than BDSM. I think people are really getting a bit confused what is what, now.

>>10595083
People will always wear cheap ugly shit anon.
A lot of serious people usually get high quality metal collars that look closer to necklaces or well made leather o ring collars though.

I mean, there's a reason why the BDSM comm doesn't like these kinds of people wearing o rings for the aesthetic.
Also that particular lolita said her collar was "special" because her bf gave it to her and she wouldn't take it off so that's why it didn't match her coord. She didn't mention anything about BDSM but it's pretty obvious that's what it was if you know anything about that sort of thing. Master/slave relationships are totally separate from DDLG but that doesn't mean they can't overlap. Cheap collars are a fad right now and a lot of people don't know anything about where they originated.

i want egirls out of the lolita tag i see more and more of that trash buying AP pieces. AP doesn't deserve this and i'm a gothfag

>>10595043
saying someone gave it to you and actually using it are two different things.

>>10595005
and no. chokers have been an e-girl/goth/edgy thing since alt fashion. if you see a choker of some sort and immediately think BDSM you havent been in alt fashion enough.

>>10595107
>chokers have been an e-girl/goth/edgy thing since alt fashion.
no they haven't.

>>10595134
Yes they have. Since Vivienne Westwood, itens used in fetishist sex contexts have been used as fashion statements and things like chokers are so overused nowadays that honestly they don’t even count as statements anymore because most people don’t associate them with sex, they are just an edgy accessory

>>10595107
You clearly don't know what an o ring is used for. I'm not talking chokers themselves I'm taking collars. Big difference.

>>10595134
they definitely have lol, i mean since the fucking 70s/80s

>>10595134
anon what rock have you been living under

>>10595222
This anon knows what they're talking about.

>>10595229
You're kind of disproving your own point by pointing out how to an uninformed person it's just another type of choker/neck adornment. Fashion is a visual medium and spreads without context, things that were started in one circle catch on in others because people like the look and it becomes mainstream and trendy. This is even more amplified now that we're in the age of the internet and kids can buy what they see their favourite influencers wearing online or at the mall where fast fashion retailers churn out whatever's trendy for profit. Things like collars, miniskirts, fishnets, thigh highs, crop tops, etc.

That being said a person could definitely be wearing a collar for fetish purposes, or they enjoy the edgy shock value, or they genuinely just like the look, or maybe even they see that it's trendy and they want to be trendy too. You can't always be sure.

>>10595245
I'm not disproving my point though? I literally said
>There are definitely people who wear these for fashion but people who are actually into M/S don't just do it for the aesthetic.
Because another anon said no one wears them for bdsm reasons.
There is a definite difference between a choker and a collar but the point of having a collar in a M/S scenario is to discreetly signify to other masters that you already have an owner. It isn't supposed to be super obvious to outsiders because of consent rules within bdsm. That's why they look different from your average choker.

>>10595251
..but that's not what you said at all. The other anon was saying that chokers aren't *exclusively* sexual and then you disagreed and said "no I mean o ring collars". Please correct me if I'm wrong but I'm guessing that you're assuming that anon means something like the 4th result but you're talking about the first 2?

>>10593103
>>10593068
I like these

>>10595261
>anon means something like the 4th result but you're talking about the first 2?
Yes. That's why I keep saying I wasn't talking about chokers I was talking about collars since anon was implying that those types don't originate from bdsm which they do.

>>10594602
I’m here for the cat

>>10595020
This is cute

>>10594742
Girls wear chokers to show they are willing to do anal. Duh?

>>10595020
ok vendetachan

>>10595358
ok ita

>>10595335
Fuck off scrote

>>10595376
This person is correct. Biker jackets / tshirts with lolita look fucking stupid and should be avoided at all costs. It's the same as wearing the full top of a coord with leggings and runners KEK.
A blouse, simple j-branded skirt, tights and mj shoes can easily read as casual lolita without looking like a would-be punkabilly reject.

>>10595378
Blouses are not casual lolita. I agree with everything else though, oversized normie tshirts look awful in lolita. Luckily brands release lolita appropriate tshirts and cutsews.

>>10594854
Devilinspired has it.

>>10595369
Fuck of cunt

>>10594742

To be really really fair, nothing in >>10594349 would look good with a coord. Nothing.

Not a single garment there is anything worth wearing. At all. So the choker fits right in.

>>10594665
This looks fine

>>10595436

>>10595437

>>10594818
I agree, the only thing I would change is the shoes

>>10595438

>>10595442

>>10595445

>>10595442
This looks like a scary version of a math tutor I had in middle school

>>10595445
This is so off looking. Like her hand looks like wax? She looks like a corpse someone propped up... a Victorian mourning photo with a bad coord.

>>10595358
Are you blind? The shoes are hideous

>>10595387
Tail of lizard, eye of newt, fuck of cunt

>>10595305
The fact they originate in BDSM doesn’t mean that they still have the same meaning. Again, people out of BDSM contexts have being using collars as a statement for ages. The meaning of garments are not static, they change over time.

>>10595505
Man. The influx of newfags really be pairing strange shit together.

How very *~anime~*

>>10595442
So many national geographic volumes.

Jesus. Do something with your hair..

Also those bloomers are out of place to be that long.

>>10595505
>>10595509
I like it, but this seems like a newfag selfpost.

>>10595561
Looks like white basketball shorts

>>10595561
These are without a doubt the ugliest "bloomers" I've ever seen.
>>10595489
FFS anon please learn how to read how many times do I have to state that people wear them both aesthetically and for bdsm purposes. That's not the argument here.

>>10595107
Egirls are exactly the problem though. I don’t want anything associated with whores doing anal on cam worn in lolita fashion. Fuck ethots and their cheapo punk-poser styling

>>10595134
>>10595229
Yes they have been. Literally go to any alt club, bar, group, etc. and chokers have been a thing since the beginning and longer than I've been alive. Like >>10595237 said, since the 70s/80s at least.

>Responds to a post about heart chokers being BDSM related
>No I mean o ring collars

Visually, chokers and collars have almost no aesthetical difference. Unless someone is wearing an o-ring around their mouth, most people will not give a fuck nor is it inherently BDSM. This is why I said if you initially think of BDSM when you see someone wearing a choker or collar, you haven't been in alt fashion long enough.

>>10595251
>Anon said no one wears them for BDSM Reasons
>Just said that if you think chokers are *inherently* BDSM you haven't been involved in alt fashion enough
Just take the L anon

like >>10595090 most people get high-quality metal chokers that just look like necklaces. If you didn't know the context, you just would think that it was a metal necklace. most people get cheap things so they can have it without dropping a lot on quality but I wouldn't really say they "originated" in BDSM circles considering alt fashion and using sex appeal/fetish gear are constantly circling around each other.

>>10595251
Collars don't look different from an average choker considering collars can have any appearance. It can just as easily be a choker or necklace as it can something that signifies ownership.

>>10595305
You'd be surprised by how many people wear the second casually in alt/goth clubs and groups. It is really not that deep to say a lot of people only wear it for fashion and not because they're doing some BDSM code shit. A lot of people wear something for the aesthetic/look or shock value not because they're trying to signal they're interest in BDSM.

>>10595561
long bloomers is pretty normal in old school kek

>>10595617
Yeah but these ones look like shit kek

>>10595445
Tbh i absolutely love this, I would change out the black shoes for something white though or add something else black in

You think it will fit?

>>10595624
Holy shit

>>10595445
The feeling of this picture is so eerie. I absolutely love it, although the coord is actually painful to look at.

>>10595624
this makes me legitimately sad

>>10595624
Jesus, what the fuck is that thing
Off topic but has anyone here actually been to kuroshiro kawaii? how was it?

>>10595624
kek that hamplanet won't be able to fit into it even with the zipper opened she's going to be hilarious to look at. poor milky planet

>>10595445

>>10595445
she just needs a petti and a headpiece

>>10595686
why is this actually good now. idk i like the vibe of it I'm not mad

>>10595695
I think it's because the shoes and the socks looked very out of place in the original pic. Looks like they also lightened the coat, which helps a lot

>>10595445
this only works because she’s very pretty

>>10595699
not very pretty but definitely pretty in an unconventional way

>>10595701
Nayrt, she reminds me of those European 14 year old models companies look for but older and more freckley/natural looking.

>>10595701
no, she’s pretty. she just doesn’t have makeup on.

>>10595699
if she is pretty, then this must be the worst photo taken of her

>>10595759
Seriously she looks like a sick child

>>10595701
>>10595759
>>10595764
shes very pretty but just not in the male gaze sense pretty

>>10595771
ma'am, i can see her skin texture even at potato quality

>>10595759
See >>10595710
Imo if you put makeup on her she would be attractive.

>>10595699
>very pretty

>>10595777
ma’am having skin texture is literally normal or do you have actual plastic smooth skin
not only that, textured skin does not equal being ugly lmao

>>10595610
Will you shut the fuck up about this already no one wants to read your dissertation on bdsm collars

>>10595788

It’s a no from me

wow anons it's almost like beauty is subjective and almost entirely depends on personal taste

>>10595812
definitely looks acne ridden..

>>10595812
I thought she was pretty before but she looks like a bloated corpse up close

>>10595923
This looks like a pretty basic Pink House style outfit to me. Then again I find pretty much all of those kinds of outfits ugly.

>>10595843
tbf no one exactly looks amazing in potato quality pics or zoomed in on period.
still think she has a "vibe" going on as one would say and i like it but she's just not pretty in a conventional way and that's alright beauty comes in many forms

>>10595994
that's some terrifying shoop

>>10594854
Yes it is on Aliexpress

>>10595972
i hate when people say this shit. it's fine not being beautiful. beauty doesn't come in many forms, get over it. embrace being average.

>>10595641
Texas fuck here. I didn't go inside but I peered inside while it was closed. It's so sparse and the design and care to the aesthetics are rather bland. The Daiso next-door is cuter.

>>10596054
The daiso next door doesn't sell brand, you walnut

>>10595812
She’s pretty in a runaway kind of way. If she was tall and hyper skinny I could totally see her modeling for big brands or something.

>>10595923

I could nitpick that cheap-looking underskirt that looks like it's made from lining fabric, but I think the thing that bothered me most is they should really have posted it to the natural kei, cottagecore, morigirl or some other appropriate subreddit rather than the lolita subreddit.

(You do not need to tell me the sub does not exist. If a jfashion does not exist it does not automatically become lolita. Lolita isn't code for "we accept all jfash orphans".)

>>10596022

People are only dissing her looks because >>10595699 is a troll post.

It's such an obvious troll post though, it's the ita thread, of course people didn't post her because they think she looked good.

>>10595812
She looks like Claudia when she was about to die.

>>10594338
I hate these fucking boots. Why are they so common?

>>10596139
they're kind growing on me. not in this shitty coord, and they don't fit my own style, but I could see girls in the 90s wearing them and styling them well if they had been available back then. they're just styled so poorly so often.

>>10594602
This is so cute and I love the cat.

>>10596125
that "underskirt" is a long petticoat, and not supposed to be seen, alas..

>>10595462
hideous ?? really ? they are just some cheap looking chunky shoes . . .
either way this pic is taken from afar, you can only see the back and its colour corrected to the gods.
How you can see enough to discern ita I don't know

>>10596147

Ah, it makes a lot more sense now, thanks.

The top tier of the her skirt looks stretched out, it's odd to think that if she treated this as non-lolita, then not using a petticoat as an underskirt might have given her a better silhoutte.

>>10596139
They're like the only demonias alt girls seem to gravitate towards. Everyone has them in black and regardless of the color they're always cringe. I hate them so much.

>>10596135
Thanks for making me cackle anon

>>10595562
It's from the lolita subreddit
they crossposted their coord to r/femboy despite being "FtM"

>>10595624
Did she actually buy it or did she just get a pic with it?

>>10596211
I assume she bought it since it was posted in the "i just bought the thing (lolita)" fb group

>>10593068
This doesn’t seem like lolita but I honestly think this is a cool fashion editorial look.. want more country witch broccoli hair kei energy in the thread

>>10593103
I generally like this persons coords but this one isn’t doing it for me, I think the elastic harness looks a little cheap. Would like it more if it were a leather harness. Also the long sleeve seems like it’s screaming to burst out of that dress. I appreciate what she was going for but she didn’t quite arrive there

>>10593801
That is the saddest flattest skirt. also when are girls gonna stop shoehorning insane 2008 bow-belts into their coords. I know it can be done appropriately, but it almost never is

>>10595624
Maybe it's a goal dress? Like she drops 150+ pounds and this dress is the motivator?

>>10596054
>>10595641
The name is cringe and the wall decal is deeply fugly. I’m also perplexed by the juxtaposition between the name and the pastel lavender furniture

>>10593070
poor fatty chan. your coording skills are basic AF, belongs in the ita thread

>>10596197
And? If he's ftm and dressing feminine, that would make a feminine boy. A femboy

>>10595083
>Most of the collars you see people wearing are cheap, so the assumption is really just for aesthetics.
Although I agree it's likely often just for fashion. I would say many of these edgelords who post all over their fetish relationship on regular social media are generally poorfag snowflakes and young adult (about student age) causing them to wear cheap shit. Being edgy in quality is too expensive for them, and often doesn't matter much to them as long as they get to be edgy anyways.

>>10595376
Meh wearing a cutsew that's nothing more than a regular t-shirt with a print (when cold layered with a basic cardigan) has been around since before lolita hit the west. This kind of look is supposed to be very plain and kinda boring. Like the tees and jeans of lolita fashion, super casual. I always like the old snaps like good row pic related (wish the socks on the left one were plain black tho, the last one not old but I do really like it and it's one of the fewer non-snaps that look good) because it's so wearable and comfy, but rarely do people not fuck it up. It's peoples' inability to style it that makes it suck so often, especially when they try to be edgy or make it special. Even if it's casual, there still should be thought put into it.

Seems on one side the fact it's not the "popular OTT kinda thing that get likes" make edgelords flock to it to be different but then try to make it look even edgier which just look weird and ugly, then hide behind "experimental".

And on the other hand people who try to style any t-shirt or long sleeve with lolita ignoring the cut (yes there are different cuts in t-shirts and long sleeves) causing a weird silhouette. Very straight loose cuts seem to work the best, with either poofy sleeves or straight sleeves. Like bad row first one wears a tight lace long sleeve with camisole which is just so different in style and silhouette, second has no sleeves looking kinda bare and weird in the same way many blouseless JSK coords look weird, third (aside of being overal bad) has typical western female cut shirt with shorter sleeves and more defined waist. Fourth has a western female oversized cut, being wide bit keeping those diagonal sleeves and as well as being overall very cheap and thin looking.

>>10596022
i'm sorry you cannot seem to grasp the concept of unconventional beauty anon. there's more to beauty than ugly -> average -> hot and i hope you know that you are not just "average". you're better than that

>>10595445
I agree she looks bad but the girl herself and the photograph look great. If she'd dress better... It's always sad when you see things that have so much potential but as also so bad in their current form...

>>10595699
I agree she is pretty, but she looks very young. She kinda reminds me of those photos of top models when they were teenagers. Is she even old enough to be posted here?

Also, the sad moment when anon's think only people looking like Chinese filters or who wear so much make-up you look completely fake and synthetic is pretty. The sad reality for them is that you won't see them anywhere but behind a screen. No one looks like that in real life, and if they do makeup-wise, they look so cakey in real life it just look gross.

>>10595794
if people can spurge about trannies and fattychans i can do a spurge about BDSM and how almost no one has any knowledge of alt culture other than lolita

>>10596300
It’s „sperg“

>>10596297
there's a difference between dorito chin filters and having face texture like the surface of the moon. i don't think anyone is saying her underlying bone structure is ugly.

>>10596242
People need to stop encouraging this kind of shit.

>>10596297
Children get posted all the time. Last thread they were dragging another child.

>>10596297
>>10596358
Children have always been posted if they are ita.

Paige used to be posted all over cgl when she started lolita and she was underaged. That was a long ass time ago as well.

You newfags are just annoying.

>>10596297
Also, this girl is in here whiteknighting herself. You actually shouldn't be on 4chan if you're underage b&. You can be posted here, but you should not be posting here.

>>10595686
Her face creeps me out, mainly because she looks exactly like my 9yr niece.

>>10596263
I think they are saying he is cheating because he was a woman therefore would still have feminine look until T takes a harsher toll on them

Ita shit is alive and well with dollskill. Man. Look at that lace.

>>10596408
>You newfags are just annoying.
I've seen many post and it's replies be removed over the past few years for posting underage children as well. It has nothing to do with being a newfag. Seems to depends more on the mods mood/opinion, as is with the policing of many cgl rules.

Beside, I was mainly just feeling she looks young. I can understand a child dressing bad more than an adult. Their mentally not as far, have less money, and generally less resources. I mean, ita is still ita but it does change my view of the person. Rather see a teenage ita that'll likely grow out of it than an adult snowflake. The can she be posted here was more a thing that popped in my head wondering her age.

Good fucking lord

>>10596411
what the fuck are you talking about, posting underage people is against board rules, underage people participating is not a rule . . . that i know off

>>10596839
Ew wtf

>>10596285
The bad t-shirt example looks great as normie clothes desu.

>>10596839
Be thankful you’re are not in direct view as those who may be across from her on the street.

>>10596285
I love "bad" second one tho, if she put on a small watch or bracelet it would be great. Idk, these are all fine to me, and i like the two top right, bottom right, and no sleeve girl the best. Maybe I just have shit taste.

Is it just me or do people really not realize some bodyline is fucking ita as hell?

>>10596928
Well normie clothes aren't lolita so nothing wrong with that. Or well, not lolita at least. Real normie it isn't either to be honest.

>>10597123
>Maybe I just have shit taste.
I would just say non-lolita taste. The first one looks fine just not lolita (trough I find the skirt looking a bit out of place/random between all the normie stuff above and below it). The silhouette is just not there, it's looking like a normie outfit with a poofy skirt.

The second one is kinda worse the more you watch. At first the only thing seems the same issue as most blouseless JSK coords suffer from. It looks unfinished and bare, like she's missing some part she forgot at home or something like that. But then that's always a discussion point with some not minding or even liking it, but overall most people seem to be against it. But combined with the fact no green matches and the shoes are more of a bright mint while the rest is muted tones and her random dot tights, classic floral skirt, normie belt, and sweet necklace everything just feels kinda mismatched. I love that hairstyle and face tho, that's super cute. But if she wouldn't be as pretty I doubt it'll be liked as much

>>10596839
Was this even tagged as Lolita

Wtf no. If you're underage and possibly posted you can get it removed and are allowed to visit this board. It's NSFW boards that the rules extend to. Also /fit/ because the men there keep talking about balls and fertility there.

>>10597130
>do people really not realize some bodyline is fucking ita as hell
People don't. Many people still think it's great despite it having doubled in price stopping it from being cheap, having fabric that feels like plastic, and has design ranging from meh to who the fuck designed this. Their only decent designs are copies are heavenly inspired by big brands' pieces. I went looking at their site again thanks to your post. Even their fucking "plenty of frills umbrella" is literally a BTSSB umbrella copy with the logo removed. Like the exact same shape, ruffles type, and placement. The fact it's called "frill frill frill umbrella" in Japanese is kinda funny tho. But honestly, they never stopped being a costume store extended from a sex shop. Some of their models model it as such too. Heck they're sold in Don Quijote in the costume section. No one normal takes them serious in Asia and the rare times people used their stuff they "forgot where I bought it", but in the west where supposed to be fine with that crap of them or we're being mean to the newbies... Then they go complain how lolita is not a costume while wearing literal costumes...

Also what is that photoshop? Her face looks pasted on there kek.

>>10597156
I recently bought the solid dresses. They went down in quality dramatically. It's like I bought a bodyline replica of an already existing dress. I'm comparing the pie/tart (L560) one that was on sale for 1100 yen with their other jsks from before.
It's so cheap looking.
I also own the L443(?) and L417. L443 is nice cotton, thick, holds shape and the L417 is just limp and really much like a replica. Print is lower quality and just overall not it.
I don't want to derail but look at this shit.
Any lolita wearing the red one would be ita because it's visibly cheap.

I don't even buy bodyline anymore I just wanted a second dress like the beige one but in another colorway or two and the tart was meant to be a gift. Bodyline is just becoming an ita factory.

>>10595812
All that anon did was call her pretty and you guys had a meltdown over it. Haven't you guys been called pretty before?

>>10597172
Obviously not kek

>>10597151
Yes unfortunately it was under gothic lolita

>>10596570
Dollskill is already cringe as fuck no surprise there

>>10596300
The thing is anon...no one gives a shit and no one wants to read your novel especially when half of what you said isn't even accurate
Plenty of people here care about talking about trannies and fatties but you don't see anyone else screeching about bdsm
Learn to read the room

>>10596285
the only difference between the first good example and the last bad example is that the latter is tucked in. and the second "bad" example is perfectly fine.

>>10596408
who tf is paige

>>10596408
>we oldfags posted photos of minors on an anonymous board where we mainly adults made fun of said minors for dressing badly in a fashion that requires acclimation and for tastes to develop! We did this to some girl named Paige and still see no wrong in it. How dare you question whether this was okay to continue doing!!!

>>10597329
>>10597408
I think Paige is TempestPaige. She dressed terribly back then and was an obnoxious sjw, cgl didn’t discuss her for no reason.

>>10597327
You're a moron, and blind at that. They're completely different cut t-shirt. First is very strait unisex cut popular is Asia and used by most brand basic t-shirt cutsews, tucked in it looks like last good example. It's not oversized nor form fitted.

Last bad is an oversized western female shirt. It's more loose instead of just strait looking more messy when tucked in and has wide diagonal sleeves instead of strait ones, and it's made out of thin cheap fabric too. This cut is more suitable for daily tees and jeans or current normie "streetware" fash which is like the normie version of hip-hop style.

Second bad I already talked about in detail and I'm not gonna repeat myself.

Also, before someone complains I care too much. I more hope someone reading this might learn something from it as I like t-shirt coords but most are bad and there is little info because beside for this, who cares about t shirt cuts in lolita. I know likely salty anon I reply to won't care, but maybe someone else does. Honest info/concrit in the ita tread.

>>10597947
You are stupidly invested in this, both coordinates have been shared in casual threads here multiple times with no complaint.

>>10593955
anyone else notice the tarp on the floor? No? Just me? okay then.