/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Coffin Lace Ribbon Jumper Skirt
(black x black, navy blue x white)
List price 34.000 yen + tax

Size 9
length: 93cm + lace 6cm
Skirt length: 52cm + lace 6cm
Bust: 93cm
waist: 73cm

Size 13
length: 96cm + lace 6cm
skirt length: 54cm + lace 6cm
bust: 97cm
waist: 77cm

>>10439029
Navy colorway.

>>10439030
Coffin Lace Headdress
(white, black x white, black x blue, black)
List price 7.000 yen + tax

>>10439031
Medium Petticoat
(white x white lace, black x black white lace, black x black blue lace, black x black lace)
List price 12.000 yen + tax

Total length: 72 cm
Waist to chiffon hem: 62.5 cm
Waist: 54-82 cm

>>10439032
Lace closeup.

>>10439033
Cross Candlestick Ring

>>10439034
Candlestick Logo Umbrella
Price 6.400 yen + tax
Black x blue (resale), blue x black (new color)

>>10439035
The items will be released tomorrow (17 July) at 3pm JST.

Results of Salon pre-sales:
> Coffin lace ribbon jumper skirt (black is popular)
> Medium petticoat (black x black blue black x black black x black white white x white)
> Cross candlestick ring (blue is popular)
> Coffin lace headdress (black x white and black x blue are the same number black white)

Very stoked for the headdresses.

Also don’t get the rufflechat thread about this release unless you want to lose brain cells

>>10439028
Do you have the artist’s name? This picture is for ants

>>10439032
Is it a petticoat tho? It doesn’t look very poofy and it looks more akin to a underskirt. I wouldn’t mind the lace sticking out, but that chiffon piece looks awkward under a dress. But I don’t like underskirts in general so it might be just me.
>>10439046
What is it this time? It’s like the most inoffensive neoMMM release yet, there are two sizes, I really like the JSK and coffin lace is gorgeous. What do these morons have to cry about now?

>>10439054
Dropped the pic

>>10439054
Japanese brands call underskirts petticoats. What we call a petticoat, they call a pannier.

>>10439055
I usually like their coords but putting the black colorway under the white OP isn't nice at all.
White would have been a better choice.
I'm excited to get the black x white to use with my old moitie pieces. The layer of lace would really make it more intricate.

>>10439054
A bunch of lolitas at heart complaining that the JSK looks like “something from TJ Maxx” and therefore not worth the price lol

>>10439054
Maybe because it's huge compared to old MMM? I don't do Facebook but it's a guess.

>>10439034
I found the sizes for this one so random, it goes from 9 and 11 to 17. I assume the 17 is for when to wear it on the index finger and that they just used the two most average Japanese female ring sizes.

>>10439073
17 is probably for men.

>>10439062
If anyone sees something like that in TJ Maxx, hit me the fuck up. Are they saying that because it doesn't have a print or what?

Just a reminder that Sheglit is having a secret sale until 31 July.

https://Sheglit-20Ss-Secret.Stores.Jp
pw: sg20ssss

>>10439084
they think it's uninspired and there were a lot of "hire a designer" comments lol. it's basic but there's nothing wrong with basic? i think it's lovely.

>>10439086
I wish BC would just shut the fuck up already

The jsk is really just what i wanted from mmm. I will be buying buying it. The sizing is perfect too and it uses coffin lace. Seriously, the coffin lace is absloutly beautiful and it doesn't get enough praise. This is the happiest i have been with mmm in a while. The ring is also gorgous too, but I'm going to pass on it just because i'm scared of losing it.

>>10439068
Yeah, I like simple designs like this but the bust and waist are 10+ cm bigger than my measurements so that's a no. Wish they'd do sizing more akin to the Lace Cross JSK, or at least have corset lacing. The headdresses are super gorgeous though, excited for those.

>>10439068
I just scanned the comments section and nope, it seems like it’s mostly fatties complaining that it’s too small.

>>10439103
Mostly fatties and itas, which I guess is what majority of Rufflechat is made out of these days.

>>10439029
I love the pinafore cut

>>10439029
I'm a sweet lolita but this makes me want to wear goth

Prints fucked up lolita.

>>10439029
BUST 93 FOR SIZE 9?
god.
Y
yyy

that thread is a mess.
Hamsters? What the actual fuck?

>>10439160
Like already mentioned, prints have done fucked up lolita. Why do these non-moitie fags think their opinions even matter.

>>10439160
>lol
it's not even funny

>>10439160
>demon hamsters

>>10439160
>lol
I hate it thanks

>>10439154
How small is your bust? Is it not beneficial to have that extra space considering you will have layers underneath and it doesn't have shirring?

>>10439029
I love old moitie’s basic stuff, but I’m skeptical about this. The lace looks too long on the black version and I guess I just don’t trust new moitie as far as materials and construction go. My older moitie pieces are impeccably tailored, this looks kind of baggy in the bodice.

>>10439190
it's around 80cm, so 93cm leaves a lot of extra room. Altering it to downsize this much could affect the whole cut. I know that because I've bought dresses with this same measurement before and I only managed to wear them as skirts or corsets that squeezed the bodice.

What saved new moitie releses for me are the livestreams. Wunderwelt's stock images are so weirdly shitty it makes good looking dresses seem low-quality. There's so much difference compared to hwo they appear in Moitie Diaries.

Anyone else think moitie's manager had no idea how to wear makeup?

>>10439253
She looks fine to me anon, she's just older.

>>10439160
90% of my wardrobe is pastel vomit sweet and i want to strangle this person

>>10439255
Her makeup isn't goth styled at all. Looks larme or otome.

>>10439253
Don’t ruin this with your vendetta

>>10439314
It looks fine anon, not everyone is suited for darker makeup. It’s elegant and doesn’t clash with her clothes. I’ll take that over that awful western drag-like makeup everyday.

>>10439321
>It looks fine
>I’ll take that over that awful western drag-like makeup everyday
came her to post this

>>10439160
Taobao prints have fucking ruined people

>>10439314
Imo western goth style makeup with the super strong eyeliner, eyebrows etc looks fricking hideous with gothic lolita.

>>10439314
>goth styled
gothic lolita doesn't have to use super dramatic makeup, anon.

>>10439095
What is BC?

>>10439400
Butt cape

>>10439400
butt cape

>>10439190
NAYRT, but my bust is about 85 and this also won't be wearable for me. The waist isn't an issue because of the ties but the armpits and darting will have too much room and stick out awkwardly. You can even see that the model in >>10439036
has a lot of room around her ribs, even the posing can't hide how baggy it is.

>>10439126
Same! I'm into country but this cut is just giving me heart eyessss

>>10439403
>>10439403
Lmaooo i need context gulls

>>10439046
I went to read it; as always, it's just people and their inconsequential opinions.

I'm happy about those simpler designs; hopefully sales will go well!

>>10439410
newfag

>>10439410
Jesus christ new fag. All you need to know is that they were whinging about moitie needing a designer despite this being one of the best neo-moitie releases in a long time. Probably dick riding the popular consensus of ruffle chat retards that anything plain = bad.

>>10439420
Not that anon and I agree with you on the rufflechat thing but I am not sure about this dress desu, I have the same issue with other anons about not fitting well in the bust area. I mean it doesn't even seem to fit well the mannequin nor the model. I like the headdresses though they look very nice.

>>10439420
BC’s taste is usually pretty good but I think think they are projecting their boredom and dissatisfaction with jfashion here. Sincerely doubt it’s a reflection on rufflechat considering they hardly pay attention to lolita anymore and mostly complain about newbs when they do

>>10439036
Does anyone know how tall the model is? I'm tempted to get the jsk but also concerned it might be slightly too big for me. Maybe I'll wait and see until people comment on the sizing, or do you think it'll sell out?

>>10439492
The fit problem are a valid complaint. It probably may have been better idea that they stick with the sizing that the cross jsk since larger people who exceed 95cm bust tend to not buy moitie in the first place as an anon from another thread had pointed out. I just had to up and leave ruffle chat because the level of new fag was had gotten unbearably apparent. Where do those bitches even come from? How the fuck do they even know what lolita is? It's baffling.

>>10439508
I appreciate we got to discuss the fit thing. I am a lurker so I rarely post, but I've noticed sometimes gulls can get really defensive.

Also, I completely understand you about Rufflechat. These Facebook groups are wild. I actually deleted my account because I got tired of it.

>>10439505
for this price, I doubt it would sell out, unless they do produce it in fewer quantities.

although that sundress and the NUN op modeled by FR did sell out the smaller sizes.

>>10439029
Cute, but I think I'm gonna skip out on this one since I'd have to alter it too much and I like their OPs better.
I'm going to grab the headdress however because they're super cute.

>>10439029
Does anyone know if they tend to restock later if they sellout at release? I have too many other financial obligations at this time to try and justify purchasing this at release. I haven't bought from neo MMM before so I don't know how they run.

>>10439530
As far as I know, Silent Moon was the only release they (Moitie owned by tanaqro) "re-stocked", but that was mainly due to a special release they were doing for a convention.

Sometimes they tend to find pieces in their deposit and put it up for sale again.

>>10439530
I don't think this will sell out too quickly. From what I have seen, they have restocked almost everything they have put out in regards to main pieces, so you should be good.

>>10439518
For the bad rep cgl has, this is the only place where you can have a proper discussion about lolita with people who at least have some idea at what they are talking about. I've learned a lot coming here and have so much cool pictures saved from dump threads. Gulls can be ok sometimes.

Is it safe to assume that there's going to be a bloodbath for the headdresses?

>>10439530
I see sometimes a few leftovers probably from other areas get put on sale months later but not so much a real restock.

>>10439535 is correct on silent moon bring restocked but it was planning not because of a con but because it sold out in seconds, even their reserves to other stores.

Beyond SM, the lace cross jsk got restocked a bit, but it took months on both of those dresses.

>>10439541
I’m assuming the headdress will go pretty quickly. Trying to decide if I should get both colors I want or just nab one and check out as quickly as possible

>>10439321
>drag makeup
>mana
I've got news for you

>>10439555
They said Western drag. Mana's makeup looks nothing like it and he doesn't consider himself a drag queen. Learn how to sage.

>>10439420
Oh ok i just didn't know who BC was, thanks

>>10439555
They mean the shit you see on western drag queens or on people like bloated corpse chan. Mana's makeup still retains a degree of soft femininity thanks to the lack of aggressive contouring and maintenance of proper facial proportions.

>>10439555
Learn the difference between men in makeup and drag, retard.

>>10439535
>>10439541
>>10439549
Thanks for the answers, anon. Hopefully, I am able to snag it at some point without a problem!

Quick question for the old fags. What kind of thing would you like from moitie to release? As someone who has only just been able to afford moitie recently, the basic stuff and re-releases has been a blessing. I'm curious.

>>10439645
I wouldn't mind some rereleases of their iconic pieces, even of those controversial such as Alchemy or Harpsichord Trio. But, in reality, what I really wanted to see is those nun themed pieces in normal length. Kinda miss this aesthetic in the fashion.

>>10439645
This release, but smaller.

So glad I've managed to get all three colorways of the coffin lace headdress I wanted, especially BxW since it's already out of stock. I've been waiting for a headdress for so long, I couldn't be happier.

As much as I love the JSK I share the same concerns as a lot of people in this thread about the bust size. I'll have to wait for my next paycheck anyway so I hope there'll be some reviews by then if it hasn't sold out already.

>>10439029
So the black x white headdress sold out in about 30 minutes, the blue one in two hours, and I think size 13 of the black JSK took about 3ish hours to sell out. Size 17 of the blue ring also sold out in a few hours.

>>10439645
I love the new JSK, but I'd really like to see more intricate non-print pieces like pic related. That's peak Moitié for me, I've never really cared too much about the prints. I would die for a rerelease of Tulle Rose, though.

I fell asleep like an idiot but the black headdress was still up, which is the one I wanted! ty manasama

I’m glad the dress sold well after all the ruffle hat bs, too

I fell asleep like an idiot but the black headdress was still up, which is the one I wanted! ty manasama

I’m glad it seems like the dress sold well after all the rufflechat bs, too

>>10439523
I am gonna wear it with a ribbon or corset, I prefer oversized for comfort

>>10439559
>Mana's makeup looks nothing like it
Don't be delusional. The only thing missing is heavy contouring on the cheeks and thicker lips.

What are your opinions on unconventional materials such as PVC, leather or fake leather main pieces on gothic lolita? What about accessories?

>>10440015
By your concept of what constitutes drag makeup all goths since 1980 were doing drag makeup the whole time. Hell, anything darker than a neutral eye is apparently "drag"

>>10440017
Accessories are almost always fine as long as they're used well, but materials like those can look super tacky and fetishy if not done with the utmost excellence for a main piece. Hard but not impossible basically.

>>10440015
Yeah anon it looks nothing like that. There are some shoots when Mana does have something more similiar, but it never looks like that. You'd have to cheerypick examples. Like >>10440020
said, saying that every makeup that is darker/heavier is drag is stupid and makes you look like you don't know shit about makeup.

>>10440017
As long as it doesn't look too fetishisit, I don't mind. I love that PVC dress Mana wore on early days, but I'd never wear it outside casually or consider it a symbol of what Lolita fashion is.

>>10440017
Now, for accessories I guess I'm much forgiving. I really like the looks of leather belts (those with three straps for example) and harnesses, as long as they do not emphasize specific body parts enough to make it erotic or fetishist.

I'm not a fan of collars or chokers when they look like dog collars. I feel like it gives an air of submissiveness to the one wearing it and it kinda clashes with the notion of the fashion, for me.

Now, shiny boots, shoes, bracelets etc. are good in fake leather or pvc.

>>10440049
>>10440049
Although I wouldn't wear it like this, I think she does a get job with mix and matching leather accs. For the left pic I think it's just the best way to "OTT" it without making it awkward, while the right pic does lean more towards what I'd call fetishist. Of course, none of these are as bad as face harnesses, for example.

>>10440050
I hate harnesses, they look so tacky

>>10439924
I would love one of the plain black OPs with more detailing too, but I like the designs with only one strap of elastic. Fully shirred is awkward looking

>>10440017
I love leather, I wish it was more common. I feel gothic lolita is at its best when it mixes different textures and materials. I don't care if it's tacky or seems fetishy, I like how it looks and i'm not really bothered by how it's percived. I like most of the accesories too, especailly corsets and belts, but dislike thin chokers. I hated one that moitie put out recently. I don't really like harnesses too. Popular ones break the silhouette too much for my tastes.
Pic related has this really fun meta jsk, I love it.

>>10440069
Bring back texture lolita

>>10440069
And it's the wrong image, fuck me.
>>10440105
Unironically yes. I know it's a meme(don't remeber who wrote the original blogpost), but old-school had so much more variety of mixed fabrics.

>>10440069
And it's the wrong image, fuck me.
>>10440105
Unironically yes. I know it's a meme(don't remeber who wrote the original blogpost), but old-school had so much more variety of mixed fabrics.

>>10440114
I would kill for the meta skirt on the top right

>>10439924
Gorgeous, I would buy this so fast.

>>10439924
same anon, I’ve been longing after this dress in particular lately so I’d love to see more like it

>>10439924
This makes me wonder - what else would y'all love to have re-released from them? I'm especially interested in less 'obvious' choices.

>>10440174
Xmas limited dresses. I adore all of them.

>>10440174
Other than basics like the lace time cutsews and cardigans (no chiffon pls), I really like this dress.

>>10439645
St. Peter's Cross Lace OP

>>10440272
God this is so gorgeous. I would buy this instantly.

>>10439314
Gothic Lolita does not have to wear huge amounts of makeup.
It is about the whole look and how well it is put together not about the amount of makeup.

>>10440174
>>10440272
Moitie's solid OPs are something else, especially the long-sleeved ones. It sounds silly but nearly all of them are my DDs.

I'd vouch for a corseted SG in gray in place of the full shirred one.

>>10440322
And gosh, the Archangel print. I'd love to get my hands on a new one, with a well preserved print.
But, in an overall, I prefer simpler pieces from moitie.
No ruffles or frills, just a nice plain construction and sometimes prints.

>>10440069
>>10440114
these are really making me miss BPN

>>10440174
Sigh

>tfw anons post so many beautiful dresses
>tfw you know they won’t be rereleased because vast majority of newlitas only ask for the most “iconic” prints
Feels bad moitiefags, I wish I was able to buy lolita a few years back, right now it seems impossible to get stuff I want.

>>10440427
I guess even oldfags would die for rereleases of truly iconic prints. Just check out how many still dream about Iron gate

>>10440174
My nigga Net and Print OP.

>>10440174
This beauty.

>>10440272
This is a good one too.

>>10440435
This

>>10440050
I don’t like the red harness with this, but the one in the left is a really nice coord, are these the same person? What’s her ig?

>>10440488
artemis_argyi

>>10440427
Just look for auctions anon. I managed to get the St. Peter's Cross Lace OP in black x black some years ago on y! Japan for a very good price.

>>10440174
I would love a re-release of the cross arch lace up JSKs

>>10440174
This >>10440301 is my favorite dress but it's really starting to show its age and I wish they'd re-release it, though seeing how bad their lace looks and feels now compared to then I'm sure I'd be disappointed. I've also said it in a previous thread but I wish they'd release ivory colorways again.

>>10440541
I wish they would release ivory colorways again as well, I think ivory and black is a really elegant combination.

>Purchases

Nothing, I’m a guy. But I am developing an apparel line for men & women that I hope to incorporate some EGL elements into. People just don’t know how to dress, these days... bunch of classless hounds, honestly.

>>10440555
>Nothing, I’m a guy.
You do know that Moitie also has stuff for does? Stop being an asshole flaunting your nonexistent superiority and actually buy shit. Go to /ouG/

>>10440555
>Nothing, I’m a guy.
You do know that Moitie also has stuff for men? Stop being an asshole flaunting your nonexistent superiority and actually buy shit. Go to /ouG/

>>10440555
Fuck off larper

>>10440174
It's never going to happen, but I'm obsessed with this old JSK and would love to see a rerelease. I'd also like pretty much any of their simpler dresses t b h

>>10440557
>/ouG/
bruh that shit is just lolita for women with diaper shorts instead of a skirt

>>10440518
Yeah. Years ago. The market has been barren af the last 2 years, ever since Moitie rose from the dead at Sakura Con. Now the only few things are over priced as fuck, which is why the few things that are up have sat untouched for so long.

>>10440654
Begone scrote

>>10440586
do you happen to know what tights she's wearing?

>>10440745
Grimoire’s Verum line of tights. They sadly do not make them anymore

Just saw this blouse on Fril, the buttons on the back look so impractical.

https://item.fril.jp/8120b2b4c198ca87822ccd7cc657539c

>>10440555
fuck off and kys

>>10440748
oof that's too bad. I really dig them. But thanks anyways!

>>10440751
Imagine sitting on a hard back chair with this blouse.

>>10440751
>>10440782
Y'all new or something? Back buttoned blouses have existed for ages.

My Moitié accessory lucky pack just got to tenso and apparently it weights over a kilo? Surely that can’t be right?

>>10440802
Nah it’s probably the weight of some jewelry that is adding to it.

>>10440586
I would never guess this was moitie. Looks closer to something ETC would release.

>>10440802
Sorry anon, I couldn't help it.

>>10440812
kek

>>10440759
there are replicas of them on taobao if you're ok with that, but unfortunately I don't know the shop name I've just seen them around

>>10440783
When did I mention I've never seen it before? i still think it looks uncomfortable as fuck and is a hassle to get on.

>>10440802
Mine was 2kg, I only bought a few extra things that might be ~1kg on its own. I'm super fucking nervous that the accessory pack is gonna be phone cases, wallets, or makeup bags... I'd be pleasantly surprised if it is anything else, but none of the jewelry going on sale made me super nervous that it won't be.

>>10440654
>not knowing about Aristocart
Absolutely Idiotic

>>10440860
This brings up an interesting question. I don't support replicas. But is it more acceptable to have replicas if it's confirmed that the makers will never try to sell it again. Either due to Confirmed disinterest or death of the brand (RIP BPN) it's never coming back and the designers will not loose out on any money from it

>>10440860
Do you have links, anon?

>>10440905
people say even though that specific purchase doesn't directly take money from the brand, it does give money to the replica seller to enable them to rip off more of the brand's designs - and even if that one design is from a dead brand, the seller will not hesitate to rip off other brands too.

>>10440931
Sorry, no, maybe someone else can help

>https://www.mercari.com/jp/items/m74763366100/

Currently praying for anyone who bought the happy packs

>>10440242
I rarely see anyone talking about this dress but I own it and think it is so nice.

>>10440905
>interesting question
It's still theft of someone's else art and it will always be a replica, regardless of it hurting someone's business or no.

>>10440947
Ugh I hate that dress so much! It's such a mistake for that to exist, that aberration should just vanish already

>>10440947
I got both accessories and apparel pack, praying for myself. I don't hate that rose dress though I personally find stock photo moitié looks very different worn and styled correctly. I have no clue what I'm going to get but praying I don't get generic mmm vanity bag

>>10440947
>>10440950
>>10440952
I don't like the dress either but agree with other anon that it can be styled nicely, but this is what I was worried about, so much for ~combined value over 55 000 yen~
Those postcards are from the mercari seller, not from the happy bag btw.
If the more expensive happy bag was this awful I'm dreading the accessory pack.

>sorry for the big pic

>>10440957
Well at least the accessory pack has socks guaranteed and also that new lace choker. I can't believe they still have stock of that terrible rose dress.

>>10440982
There's a good chance the socks will be the logo embroidery ones, the other items will either be the vanity bags, the wallets, the yeehaw necklace, scrunchies and maybe the phone cases (the only accessory items on sale). When I was looking for the prices for the collage I've noticed the wallets (except the long ones) are out of stock so that's not good.

I got the accessory pack too for the choker and didn't have the highest hopes for anything else but seeing how the apparel bag wasn't even at the value they claimed it to be, the accessory pack is looking real scary right now. We might just get postcards, a keychain, and a plastic bag instead of the shitty sale items...

>>10440990
At least the logo socks are versatile and the lace choker is guaranteed. Last year they were charging like 12000 for a pack, and it only had a vanity bag, a fan, and maybe a small wallet.
I was hoping for better offerings this year, but if it's the rose dress then I think I'm pretty fucked as my luck is shit.

>>10440990
They always take the full retail price of the items when talking about the value, so yes the apparel pack is still well above the 55k value they promised.
Either way, lucky packs have always been the items that have sat around unwanted so never go for them if you're the picky sort.

>>10440947
I was torn between ordering the new JSK or the happy pack. Not entirely sure the JSK will fit but I'm glad I went with that route.

>>10440947
Someone in Japan posted their accessory happy pack on ig. It was 3 pairs of socks, choker, rose cross hair pin and something from the MmM 20th anniversaryxMihara Mitsukazu Collab.

>>10441003
It looks like they cleared out their stock of Juliet OPs for the lucky packs as well though, so you might get one of those instead?

>>10440905
They stopped making the tights because the web was flooded with replicas. Don't support knockoffs because it will directly stop the brand from making nice things.

>>10440957
>I don't like the dress either but agree with other anon that it can be styled nicely,
Not trying to be spoonfed, but would have a photo of it correctly styled? So far I've only seen really abhorrent coords with it, and nothing could convince me it was a good release. Hell, if it was a Meta release I'd understand, but that dress is so deviant from what I'd expect from Moitie.

>>10441078
I don't see many photos of it on IG, but here's one by Tamie.
It seems to be an OK staple dress that you can wear out normally. The key to coording it well seems to be covering up the unfortunate baby doll top.

>>10441090
I'd imagine it'd be unflattering if you're tol heavy though.
>>10441043
Yeah I was banking on a Juliet OP

>>10441090
Ahh you're right, it looks way better in this pic, thanks! Using chunks of black does help "muting" a bit the busy print of the fabric.

Maybe with something such as a black corset it could look good too. I remember seeing a bunch of girls wearing the Juliet OP with one and they looked good.

Silent Moon is finally out of stock.

>>10439555
anyone have this picture without the subtitle?

>>10440017
It's a case by case thing for me. I don't like face/dick harnesses but some corsets, vinyl/leather main pieces can be done well.

>>10440174
Red things. I know ultramarine is their signature color, But I want to see them really give red another chance. I feel like they could do it better.

>>10440937
I can see that. That makes sense.

>>10440952
Does anyone have that bag and like it? It does seem super generic. Is there anything special on the inside?

>>10441119
I have the vanity and I use it for makeup. It’s pretty durable, but there isn’t anything fancy to it. It is lined with blue fabric, has a tiny mirror on the inside of the lid and some pockets. The logo is embroidered and is good quality

>>10441090
I’m actually okay with this. Anyone know if the black one sold out or not? It’s the only color I can really see myself wearing.

Has anyone here bought any nice Moitie secondhand lately? The secondhand market is so dry, there's not even a good selection from scalpers.

>>10441123
Yeah, I’ve gotten some pretty nice things for relatively cheap recently. Closetchild has a habit of underpricing items with a low condition rating (both of the items were fine when I got them, flaws were greatly exaggerated) and one seller on Fril was selling a blouse with an ironing mark (also a greatly exaggerated flaw, not really visible IRL)

>>10441123
Last one I bought was 2 years ago. It's really dry + I'm really unlucky.

>>10441078
Here's one by artdunoir. She got hers in the 2019 New Year's lucky pack.

>>10441123
I've been sniping any moitie I can find on closet child, but it has been quite slow. I have most of my dream items so I'm not really chuffed though.

>>10441123
The market is so dry. I've only ever been able to buy moitie second hand once and that was a year ago. I was incredibly lucky that time and it was all because I was looking around on facebook. I don't believe I will be lucky enough to snag any other moitie pieces even though I'm desperate for the neo gothic arch accessories (and most moitie accessories desu, but I'm managing my expectations). Thank the heavens for rereleases, because god they are needed.

>>10441206

Someone in France listed like 2 or 3 Moitie dresses for cheap on LM earlier today (all under $100USD)

>>10441210
Only one was Moitie and I’m devastated I missed it- that OP is on my dream list... nice find to whoever got it, though; it was crazy underpriced!

>>10441123
Just smaller things like blouses and pants, mostly from listings with poor search terms on them.

>>10441237

When I have the time I always search just the brand name of items I want on mercari or fril and go through every page. There are always good deals on items just labeled with the brand and no name for the piece, print, etc.

>>10441133
Man is the rose print like "the print" for lucky packs? I can't believe they haven't run out of stock for them yet.

I can’t even start on this one

>>10441596
Graphic design is my passion.

>>10441596
That’s a pajama. I can’t imagine someone using it for anything else.

>>10441596
Somehow the back is even worse. Is the lace even real in this one? I thought so, but after seeing that ribbon on the back I have doubts.

>>10441623
The "lace" is printed on.

>>10441618
110000 yen ugly pijamas

>>10441624
Yeah, after I posted I gave it a better look and it’s pretty obvious. What surprises me is that it’s unexpectedly casual, I wonder if it’s something popular with the Japanese, cause westerners probably won’t be interested. Or will itas start wearing random “goffic” T-shirts and calling it moitie-inspired?

>>10441628
Shirt dresses like this have been made by Abilletage and Enchantlic Enchantilly. I've never seen anyone attempt to pass them as lolita, but maybe itas will since it is Moitie. I image they will sell well.

>>10441596
At last, a lolita moomoo

>>10441632
Her face embodies what I feel about these overpriced T shirts.
Like for 3000 yen maybe, but not 11000 wtf

>>10441596
They could have kept this.

>>10441632
At least those are cute. the lace cross doesn't translate well in this format at all. On a similar note, I hope Enchantlic Enchantilly release one for Rose Castle ~Invitation from the Duke of Bat because I would live in it.

>>10441596
I weirdly think this is sort of cute. It’s kind of cheesy and thus very mana lmao. I’d probably just wear it casually with some leggings or something, though. That said I really can’t deal with the price. Even like 7500 yen I could justify but Moitie or not I’m not shelling out upward of a hundred bucks for an oversized tshirt.

>>10441596
lmao wtf, how Moitie has fallen

>>10441596
This looks like something my aunt would buy from white house black market for too much money.

>>10441596
They're thinking ahead for their winter (un)lucky packs

>>10441756
As much as i don't particularly care for it, if I got it in a lucky pack I would find myself wearing it. But then again, that's exactly why I don't buy lucky packs in the first place.

>>10441596
Surprisingly enough, from twitter comments, people really like this one. They say that they are excited to have elegant homewear and that it's versatile. I saw someone complainig about price too. That being said it's just machine translation, it might've missed the mark. Guess we'll have to see how it sells.

>>10441596
>oversized t-shit so rori

>>10441123
no because that fucking moitie scalper was always faster than my SS

>>10441123
i can not remember last time i bought Moitie secondhand. probably last year... i got a couple of dresses for quite good price.But i can not find anything decent recently and i am looking on lacemarket/yahoo auctions every single day!

Maybe if it had real lace? Why are moitie fags like this, enabling money grab release schemes?

>>10441596
this could be cute for a super casual look, but it is definitely not worth 11000yen, good fucking lord

>>10441985
>elegant

>>10441596
I just realised that it's twice the price of the last oversized t-shirt. Yikes.

>>10441596
They disabled comments on the Instagram post lmao

>>10442108
oh did they?
too many negative comments on their new A LINE OP i guess

>>10442116
anon i am rolling. also my fiance said he unironically wants the graphic tee dress.

The front pales in comparison to whatever that ribbon on the back is supposed to represent. This is "generic gothic t-shirt you'll buy on a concert but then never wear in public because you have dignity" tier. And they have the decency to actually use lace and not cost $100.

>>10441596
ewwwwww

>>10442123
>>10441596
why are they doing that?
It looks so thin, I'd only ever have it to wear inside, the same way I wear my "too old and frayed to be seen" shirts.

they could've done something cute or wearable everyday, not this oversized shit that won't look good no matter what you pair it with.

>>10442119
ohh that would actually be really cute

I love AtiePie, don't get me wrong but i feel like htey really have one certain dress that just just keep remaking. Maybe other brands do it and we don't notice because of prints and such but it feels like AtiePie fell in love with one dress and every thing they make is "Dress but no straps" or Dress but extra ruffle layer

>>10442108
Did anyone catch what was said?

>>10442157
They realised they can sell garbage with a brand tag and moitiefags will still eat it up because it's moitie. Why use money on designers or quality when they can spend less money to earn the same amount of income?

The t-shirt is fine, way overpriced tho. But I'm tired of how you cannot absolutely critisize moitie at all or everyone will attack you. To not like something that is overpriced and lazy now translates i to being new, a larper, to have no taste. I feel like people who blindly love anything a brand dishes at them are brainwashed. It's okay to like the t-shirt, but its wierd to be so aggressive towards those who don't care for it. This one girl on instagram (well a few actually) completely lost their mind at the slightest crtiticism in the comment section and now their stories are just vagueposting and attacking others.

>>10442303
One that I remember was a cosplayer conplaining how far moitie's quality has fallen and a girl responded to her "you don't even go here." Others were complaining too, mocking moitie and they were met with loud attacks of "StOp BeInG so RudE!!1"
Tbh I felt like a lot of the complainers weren't even gothic lolitas

Going to dump pictures of Sheglit's newest releases.

>>10442399

>>10442400

>>10442401

>>10442402

>>10442403

>>10442404

>>10442396
I am too honestly. Literally a holier than thou situation with certain moitie people. Moitie is not the end all be all.

>>10442399
thanks, anon! Sheglit is so consistent, I love them.

>>10442404
>>10442407
Sheglit is quickly becoming my new favourite brand for blouses

>>10442398
So basically the Rufflechat thread on the coffin lace jsk huh.
Other brands have done the oversized t shirt schtick before, it's not just Moitie.
I'm not sure why they seem to be getting so much hate lately.

Moitie is going to have another online meeting in August and I have a question for those who took part on the last ones:

How fun was it?
Was it easy to interact with everyone?
How hard would it be for someone ESL to take part, or was everyone from countries with English as first language last time?
Will you try it again?

>>10442234
Yeah, I see what you mean. At least their new sub-brand seems to be an attempt to do something different. They likely keep remaking the corset dress and pumping out those shirring blouses because they are the items that make them the most money. Their prints don't seem very popular, although that vampire print they have right now is amazingly gaudy and I kind of like. I feel like almost all gothic brands have this issue.

>>10442416
Same. They also make the best cutsews. I can't wait for them to release some more.

where did mana posted that picture wearing that new shirt dress?
I keep seeing people sharing it around on instagram

>>10442446
twitter
https://twitter.com/M_d_M_official/status/1285453935239520258

>>10442430
I'm ESL and so were most of the others too. Conversation flowed easily enough since there were so many of us. It was also structured with questions and topic starters and activity like a raffle in bingo form (which desu is why I joined in the first place, getting free stuff is always fun.)
It was more fun than I expected, but a lot of people were just on their phones the whole time and not speaking.
With virtual calls like these there's always a bit of awkward spots with silence, talking over others or not hearing someone well. But that just comes with the territory. I plan on participating in the second one!

>>10442451
Not to be a creep, but Mana has great thighs for a man his age. I shall strive for this as I grow older.

>>10442420
And sweet brands have done t-shirts, roomwear and casual wear forever. Why is this such a sacrilege?

>>10439085
Thanks for the info! I've been eyeing Sheglit lately a lot!
Also sorry for a dumb question, but what is this secret sale? Do you have to be part of a club or something to get the password usually? I only now started following Sheglit.

>>10442455
Thanks a lot, anon! It did sound fun from your post, so I guess I'll try applying too then!

I'm a tad shy, specially when talking in another language, so I was afraid I could drag the whole meeting down with my introspectiveness lol but it seems like that won't be a huge problem, since there may be some topic starters to keep the conversation flowing.

>>10442463
If you sign up to their email newsletter, you'll get notified when they're having a secret sale, with the link and password when it opens. They have two a year, I think.

>>10442430
We had a really annoying American woman hogging the conversation during my time slot so it wasn't as fun.
But the Q&A was interesting at least, and it was good to have something special to look forward to.

Depends on who attends with you I guess .

>>10442437
What vampire print? I must have missed it.

>>10442396
I totally agree, and I think brands SHOULD be open to criticism. That said, the negative comments on the instagram post were not constructive at all, and were just insults basically. That's not how you communicate with a small-ish brand.

They could have been like, "This isn't your best. People are frustrated because they want to see more prints, or more detailed cuts from you guys, etc etc".

>>10442479
I pity their social media manager sometimes, people rage at her at Mana not appearing on live broadcasts. And now all these stupid comments from people who probably don't even own Moitie.

>>10442483
exactly. raging fake lolitas are discrediting people who actually have good criticism.

anyway the t-shirt is fine but moitie hasn't pumped out a genuinely interesting print or intricate solid piece in a long time, and i don't think it's wrong to call them out on that. just needs to be said with tact.

>>10442396
Honestly I feel like mega-fans are just pissed off because there's a difference between not liking and being critical of something and just being an asshole on the internet. So many people in the damn rufflechat thread were either not lolitas or lolitas who knew nothing about the brand, and people complaining about the shirt were just being unnecessarily mean. Not everything a lolita brand puts out has to be lolita, and Moitie's far from the first brand to put out a tshirt OP. There's plenty of Moitie releases I haven't liked (the leather choker, some of the ugly ass hats they've put out lately, I can go on) but I just don't buy them because no one is making me. Flooding the instagram comments with rude, non-constructive insults is just embarrassing and uncalled for, and I think it's natural that fans of the brand feel defensive.

>>10442474
I think I know who you're talking about. She cut people off and talked over them frequently.

>>10442399
Only four items? I feel like Sheglit usually releases more items in one go than this.

>>10442461
I think people consider it a crime because people know MMM as having really high-quality, well-designed, ELEGANT pieces. They might've released casual stuff like this back in the day but for me, and most likely a lot of others, the only point of reference is the really elegant stuff, so seeing items this casual and designed this sloppily is really disappointing. Calling it anything but a t-shirt and putting such a high price on it doesn't help.

>>10442486
>tshirt OP
Anon, it's an oversized T-shirt. A flimsy, thin and tacky one at that.

>>10442504
Fine. An oversized t-shirt. My point stands. I think it’s overpriced so I’m not going to buy it. Still not going to act like a dickhead on Instagram about it.

>>10442504
it's still an op

>>10442586
Autism

>>10442593
what's autistic is insisting that it's not supposed to be an op because you're applying lolita standards to it. it looks like the mmm version of tshirt ops that listen flavor would put out.

>>10441985
Twitter is the place to go to get your ass pated with this kind of shit, I wouldn't trust those comments at all

>>10442476
Idk why i called it the vampire print when it's moon night cat carriage. I got confused with invitation with the duke bat some how.

>>10442451
How the fuck can a 50 year old man look this good in a short dress. Just what.

>>10441985
a lot of people who interact with the mmm social medias don't even own anything from them or can't fit into anything. These t-shirts are bought by numerous non-lolitas who just like mana.

>>10442622
dem asian genes

>>10442461
Because it’s an ugly ass overpriced t-shirt. I sincerely wouldn’t mind if it was at least something pretty, which some other brands had done, but this is absolutely hideous.

>>10442600
I considered that Japanese wouldn't openly express their discontent with something with their name attached to it, but post with OP had a lot of likes compared to their other release posts, so i assumed some really liked it.
>>10442621
I didn't mean to go through their accounts, but you got me curious, and it seems like most of them are actually lolitas.

>>10442616
It's so fucking ugly, god bless them.

>>10442403
>>10442404
>>10442407
goddamn i love sheglit

>>10442597
>tshirt ops
Anon pls. OP stands for One Piece Dress. A t-shirt is a t-shirt.

>>10442674
Nah, OP stands for 'one piece'. That's used as a synonym for dress in Japanese (ワンピース), but it is, literally, only 'one piece'.

>>10442674
Hmm

Really this argument is boring.

>>10442683
Those are also t-shirts

>>10442488
The one in the iron gate jsk? She was making such a big deal about it, but her coord was ita tier.
I hope I don't get stuck with her again this time.

>>10442455
how many people were on your time slot? I was thinking of joining but I dont know anyone else that might be planning on going so flying solo make me feel really shy and I just dont want to bring the party down if it is a small group

If moitie doesn’t have a designer, how are they putting designs out? Who is designing the clothing and why aren’t they considered to be a designer?

>>10442731
I don’t know if they actually don’t have one. This idea is from the fact that there was an ad for a designer for a while. I think it isn’t up so either they found someone or make do. They probably have a designer and wanted more anyways

But currently they seem to get permission from older designers for their work (Alice), Mana does have a hand in some designing but not really much of it, and basing off previous work.

Most brands aren’t clear about designers so it’s hard to know who it is atm

>>10442735>>10442731

Maybe we could ask about it on the Q&A next time lol

>>10442676
It is almost exclusively used for dresses in japanese. Search it yourself and see how many t-shirts you can find in the results.

>>10442683
>what is marketing
<50 IQ take

>>10442867
T-shirt dress in the sense that it’s a t-shirt long enough to wear on its own as a dress. Dress being a one piece. They have the same concept normie shops. One Piece just means dress. You can have a t-shirt that’s also a dress.

Anyone else have any reveals of the Moitie lucky packs yet? I'm super nervous to get mine now.

>>10442885
Fucking this. It's still a one piece because it is intended to be worn as dress.

>>10442616
I want to like this. I want to be able to encourage them to make prints in addition to solids, but WHEW that's bad.

>>10439521
Speaking of FR, anyone know if she’s modeling these new releases?
Maybe not because of COVID and all but it would be nice to see.

>>10440069
I love that BPN cardigan so fucking much, I would have a problem with buying cardigans if it weren't too warm

>>10440174
Any of their print tulle OP's. But my basic bitch answer is I just want short Royal Gate in black...

>>10442437
Years ago, I was browsing their booth at a con and found pic related, it was gorgeous, with lots of nice details like the speckled buttons. I still regret not buying it- they definitely have had some lovely print pieces outside their typical corset OP wheelhouse, even if they weren't original prints.

>>10442399
>>10442404
I love this tartan series, it reminds me of some of VM's tartan releases. The blouse is lovely, too. I have a bunch of accessories from them but I wish I had pulled the trigger on a few Sheglit dresses in the past year or so (especially those summer cape-sleeve ones), because I'll probably have to wait at least a year to ensure I can responsibly afford to blow a bunch of money on them.

How do Sheglit's blouses feel against the skin? I'm used to buying mainly IW and VM ones because they're so comfortable.

>>10442990
Same don't want iron gate I want royal gate

>>10442990
That fabric is called toile, I don't really understand how floral gobelin became a meme but toile is almost never seen outside normie fashion brands

>>10442990
I only have one (this one) but I find it very comfortable and I'm really sensitive to rough fabrics. It's a nice light fabric, not at all scratchy. It compares very favourably with my IW blouses.

>>10442303
The comments are back up, if anyone's interested

>>10442743
Oh please do!

>>10442990
I have multiple Sheglit blouses and a couple of cutsews, and they're all made of different fabrics. They're all beautiful, and I find them comfortable to wear, though I wouldn't recommend them for another bustier than 90-91cm if you want it to fit comfortably; and even then there might be some gapping depending on the blouse cut. If there's a specific one you're looking at, I might own it or another blouse with a similar fabric and can tell you my thoughts on it?

>>10439035
I’m pretty sure this is the exact same umbrella that AATP sells with a different logo on it. It’s normal for brands to stick their labels on various made-in-China stock products, but AATP’s is half the price of this one.

>>10443128
Ok, looking again they’re different. But my point about the price still stands.

>>10443131
>>10443131
Yeah, and I honestly think the AatP one looks better too. Its bat shape is more pronounced. When Andrea opened the Moitie one in the most recent diary it looked pretty much like any generic umbrella.

>>10443131
Half the price for half the umbrella? The AP one is quite small and the moitie one is much bigger.

>>10443128
I've owned this parasol and I was pretty disappointed with the size (it looked like it was meant for a child, hardly usable for actual rain), so yeah I would prefer that Moitie one.

>>10443128
Their full size parasols are the same price range as Moitie. In fact most brands have theirs in the same pricing. You don’t have a point besides you are too new to know what brands sell.

>>10443042
Thank you anon! I don't have any particular blouse I'm eying at the moment, I'm mostly curious about their overall construction quality and fit. My bust is under 90 cm though so I should be fine (usually wear IW size M).

Also on a similar topic, but what can gulls share about abilletage's quality? I've been eying blouses from them as well, lately, as well as some accessories.

Speaking of Umbrellas, has anyone owned pic related? I'm considering getting it , But I'd like to hear something from other anons, first.

>>10443021
Huh it wasn't even that bad, just 2 or 3 rude comments. That Moitie fangirl attacking everyone came out of it looking the worst. I used to like her coords but that attitude is cringe.

>>10443258
I’m interested too, I really like how they look and most opinions were positive, but I can’t help but wonder if the frill isn’t making rainwater stop on the umbrella. This one is pretty simple, but they have more intricate designs and water constantly being on your umbrella seems really impractical.

>>10441596
every day we stray farther from God's light.

>>10442451
I still hate it.

>>10442885
>One Piece just means dress
Nice, then we agree.

>>10442946
If they intended it to be worn like a dress, they would have designed it as a dress and not a t-shirt.

>>10443558
NAYRT but a T shirt dress is still a dress, are you thick in the head?
Japanese people call those big T shirts OPs because it is a dress, that's all there is to it.

>>10443275

The frills won't do much. I have a similar Meta parasol, and I know btssb has way, way frillier brollies than this. All of which have been in production and quite popular for years with zero problems. I'd say the main problem is getting them to fold up properly, but there's zero issues with rain at all.

I'm more curious to know how solid >>10443258 is, though. Didn't someone say the ones with novelty handles felt less solid?

>>10443234
I would say that overall the quality and fit are very good, they're usually even nicer and more detailed IRL than they appear in the stock photos. They almost always have a waist tie in the back, as well. One last thing I should point out though is that sometimes the sleeves can be a little short, so I wouldn't recommend most long sleeved blouses for taller or longer limbed people - though again, it depends on the blouse itself. Their Victorian blouse is a bit longer in the arms and wider in the shoulders vs. their other blouses, and I have a long sleeved cutsew that hits my knuckles.

>>10443558
The fact you don't know what a tshirt dress is really shows your ignorance. Google is your friend.

>>10443558
so i guess all those other tshirt ops that japanese brands make are "designed wrong".

>>10443721
maybe anon's brain is fried because the tshirt op isn't for lolita. how could mana allow this to happen?

>>10443742
Not to mention that Moitie isn’t billing it as a t-shirt dress, but an a-line OP

>>10442622
>>10442625
also photoshop and shit quality

Thought this was a pretty creative way to make the Moitie shirt look cute

>>10444061
I really liked the coord from the mmm insta

>>10444074
>>10444061
ngl, this actually does sway my opinion on it a little. I would still rather have real lace on the shirts but these are nice coords.What's the name of that skirt?

>>10444074
This one is ok, it still doesn't make me want to shill a hundred bucks on it, but it's pretty cool. >>10444061 on the other hand makes me mad, because it would look so mhch better with real lace and without that stupid ass ribbon.

Candelabra JSK listed on fril

https://item.fril.jp/d8992f61c1f924075f137531ff6736f8