/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I'm here for it! Being a drag queen fan myself, I would love to see more people dressing up like their favorite queens.

>>10388779
>>10388788
>posters: 1
pathetic
also drags can GTFO

I like drag and respect it as it’s own art form but I don’t think it has a place in lolita fashion. The two aesthetics don’t work together.

>>10388790

there is enough drag pandering among lolitas as it is

I fucking hate drag.
It's really misogynist and disgusting and I don't understand why do many woman are in love with it. So men get to exaggerate female features and female negative personally traits and be praised by the women they're making fun of. Why has this not been called out for what it is? Wtf?!?

>>10388830
OP here. No.I didn't mean in lolita. I mean people cosplaying as their favorite queens. Sort of like cosplaying a character in a movie or celebrity.
Do you know anyone who has cosplayed one before? With Drag being a popular fad right now, I'm surprised I don't come across it more often at events or the internet.

>>10388913
That's because it's not popular.

I agree with>>10388911 I find drag mysoginistic and sexist. Not to mention hideous. I cannot think of a single "drag celebrity" besides Ru Paul who is famous enough to garner that amount of fandom and even then, what context does she have to video games/anime or anything else con related.

>>10388911
Agreeeed. The adult panels at cons around here usually have some drag guests and I just don't get it. They co-opt female pronouns as if it's easy to take on or take off the sense of belonging to a group. Can I dress up and pretend to be black to get praise?

I miss when cosplay, anime, vidya etc was just nerd shit and not faggy millennial political tumblr shit pushed by virtue signalling manchildren on twitter and reddit to crush "muh patriarchy" or whatever.

>>10388911
I don't get why people take drag as on offense to the entire female gender when drag queens are specifically obsessed with famous diva celebrities like The Real Housewives and Nicky Minaj who specifically act outrageous for entertainment. Like, nobody is trying to clown on you and your vagina, Becky. If you haven't worn a dress made of meat like Lady Gaga, then it's not about you.

>>10388948
I don't get why people take black face as on offense to the entire black race when people who black face are specifically obsessed with famous black celebrities like Obama and Nicky Minaj who specifically act outrageous for entertainment. Like, nobody is trying to clown on you and your skin, Shanice. If you haven't worn a rhinestone glove like Michael Jackson, then it's not about you.

>>10388978

>>10388914
There is some big blonde one I have seen a lot. I don't follow drag at all. Lady Bunny or Bunny something??

>>10388978
It's time to realize that the entire world isn't out to get you or hate you for your gender. Woman the fuck up, get some therapy for your anger issues and victim complex. It'll do you wonders.

>>10388948
>>10388911
>>10388936
What's really sad is people only knowing about drag in the context of a singular reality tv show, ignoring its roots in vaudeville, the golden age of hollywood, the 90s resurgence, etc. You could go back even further to Shakespeare times I suppose.

To reduce the art of gender performance and satire to simply "making fun of women" is ignorant of how it also celebrates various facets of femininity and how queer culture has supported many female artists and their careers.

Radfems sure love to put their blinders on and decide to despise things despite the facts

>>10389057
To reduce the art of race performance and satire to simply "making fun of black people" is ignorant of how it also celebrates various facets of black culture and white culture has supported many black artists and their careers.

Black people sure love to put their blinders on and decide to despise things despite the facts

>>10389042
Exactly. You dont know. I dont know. Because they aren't big celebrity. So why would there development a trend for people to cosplay them?

>>10389051
>if you dont like it, stop being hysterical
Yeah sexist tropes from decades past will surely strengthen acceptance of your offensive hobby. Drag is becoming a caricature of a woman. Its putting on our gender as a costume as if that is all that defines womanhood. Drag is plagued with autogynophiles who force themselves into women's spaces. Its offensive to many. Please do my gender a favor and dont "woman" up.

>>10389057
>sexism and sexist representation goes back centuries so it's good
Maybe you should get up to date with the drag queen story times and how a few of them w are child molesters. Add that to drags rich history.

>>10388911
This. There's nothing funny about making fun of womanhood and acting like an exaggerated caricature.

>>10389057
>Shakespeare times
Do you honestly think that policy of "no women in theatre" that lasted through centuries is somehow comparable to drag culture? I guess greek actors were drag queens too.

>>10388978
>>10389111
This. Can't believe how people try to be woke as shit condemning anyone for blackfacing and then turn around to celebrate drag and come up with all sorts of excuses how it's actually not misogynistic and based on making fun of feminine stereotypes. Not to mention the blatant sexism in the drag community too.

>>10388911

Agree, and I'm saying this as someone who used to be a huge fan of Drag Race. Most people will grow out of this dumb phase, drag queens are obnoxious as hell. Loud, vulgar, and trashy. Minimal talent and maximum attitude. Sex-obsessed freaks with a myriad addiction problems.

>>10389134
See this is why I can't understand why drag gets a free pass while if you get a tan the internet accuses you of black face.

Both black face and drag have roots in really problematic shit but drag is somehow culturally accepted?

>>10389143
Please give me an example of blackface that wasn’t blatantly racist. Because the only time I have seen is not to “celebrate” the culture. There are plenty of ways to appreciate other cultures with painting your face another race.

>>10389155
Please give me an example of drag that wasn’t blatantly sexist. Because the only time I have seen is not to “celebrate” the gender. There are plenty of ways to appreciate other genders without tucking your dick.

>>10389170
Dude we get it, you have a hateboner for drag. You know that instantly going for blackface as a comparison for anything discriminatory is just watering down the actual historical meaning of blackface, right?

>>10389214
Black face is to black people as drag is to being female. It is an exaggerated caricature worn as a costume by men instead of an exaggerated caricature of black people worn as a costume by white people. It is a costume they can take off every night. They do not experience theharshio but choose to do it as a fetish. They are appropriating femininity for entertainment. Its sexist and offensive.

>>10389057
I hear this argument all the time and I’d honestly like to have this explained in more detail. Having roots in misogynistic/transphobic theater practices is not a good argument for drag being a a celebration of femininity, and the relationship drag has to queer culture and trans rights is certainly important but it has nothing to do with drag being misogynistic or not.

I’ve repeatedly heard how drag isn’t mocking femininity but celebrating it, but whenever I ask how it’s a celebration the answer seems to be, “it just is, you clearly don’t know enough about it to understand.”

>>10389252
>“it just is, you clearly don’t know enough about it to understand.”
I too would like to hear this explanation.
I dont hate drag, but I'm not fond of it either, and I'd like to hear someone's explanation

>>10388779
drag is disgusting

>>10389145
I agree with this

>>10389153
Because it's always women that get called out for petty bullshit like this, i.e. getting blasted for tanning for a cosplay or emulating the black pornstar style in case of instagram thots. Men get to do whatever the fuck they want because they're not socially conditioned to give a shit about others' feelings like women are. That's why people try to explain away the misogyny of drag and keep moving the goalposts or just straight out making up shit to make it somehow more acceptable than blackface when it's basically the same goddamn thing. Women weren't allowed to be actors so men played their roles. Blacks weren't allowed to be actors so whites played their roles. If a woman had a vulgar, OTT role like drag queens do, she'd be universally hated for being a shallow aloof whore even if it was just a character she was playing. You don't have to be a ~*radfem*~ to realize how hypocritical this is.

>>10389281

This is so true. Look how Lena Headey was treated for playing Cersei.

>>10389256

I think it really just boils down to a bunch of men who hate themselves so much that trying to become a weird pantomime of a woman is seen as a celebration to them, as anything is better than living in their own skin. It's bizarre.

If you think RuPaul's Drag Race is about celebrating femininity (slaaaaaaaay qween yass!), watch the British version and tell me there's nothing misogynistic about drag.

>>10389403
It's about hating their mothers.

>>10389281
Why precisely do women get the exclusive right to makeup and dresses? Perhaps your conceptualization of what defines a woman is archaic and rooted in the fact you're another dime a dozen white Becky type?

Blackface is different because they don't have a choice to be black every morning, you have to elect to put on a clownish amount of makeup.

>>10389462
Nayrt, but It's not only about putting on makeup, anon (and many man do that easily, see Gerard way ). Drags are called by feminine pronouns, they ask to be treated as women, they emulate exaggerate stereotypes of femininity and assume a female persona for their roles. Nayrt, but I cannot see how drag contributes to the "emancipation of women" or any other issue women already have to daily fight against . For me, the ridicule or degrading role drags often play makes it all harder on women.

>>10389465
In what capacity do homosexual men owe it to heterosexual people to emancipate them of their own sexist culture? The fact that you think Drag is about you points to how narcissistic the average female is.

>>10389467
>men
Here, you just said it.

Your inability to understand how men are responsible for the impression women are subjected to is exactly why women find Drag offensive and may not support it.

I will stop here as to not derail this thread any further, but you should reflect upon the damage something causes when people who feel damaged by it speak up.

>>10389467
>>10389467 #
>men
Here, you just said it.

Your inability to understand how men are responsible for the opression* women are subjected to is exactly why women find Drag offensive and may not support it.

I will stop here as to not derail this thread any further, but you should reflect upon the damage something causes when people who feel damaged by it speak up.

>>10389467
So why are you here seeking out validation for this fucked up aberration? As you said it, it's made by men and for men. Women are not under the obligation of appreciating degenerates that mock some of their common practices and mannerisms.

>>10389462
>Why precisely do women get the exclusive right to makeup and dresses?
Isn't it contradictory to your idea if allowing men the right to wear makeup and dresses is only acceptable when they go by feminine pronouns and emulate women? Why not accentuate masculine features and retain male pronouns while wearing makeup and/or dresses if the idea is to promote equality of expression and dismantle gender stereotypes. Drag doesn't dismantle anything, it just flips them.

>>10389467
Straight men wear drag too, not all heterosexual men wear drag. What point are you trying to make here? You can't pretend to be woke and misogynistic at the same time.

I think cosplaying a drag queen is a bit weird in the kind of way that I think cosplaying a youtuber is weird. I don’t think they’re far enough removed from regular people that cosplaying as them wouldn’t be awkward.

I could see someone recreating a specific look of theirs as cool, though. That wouldn’t be as weird to me for some reason.

If drag is so garbage, why do you allow the crossplay thread?
>>10300242
In theory drag is no different from crossplay, only difference being it can go both male-female or female-male and it's only playing a character straight as opposed to playing a character over-the-top like drag queens do.

>>10389496
Anon, you need help if you can't see the difference between crossplay and having a persona as a drag.

>>10389498
No I'm just honestly curious. I'm aware I need help and that's why I'm asking...

>>10389496
At this point I want believe you're just trolling.

>>10389499
You see, I shouldn't spoon-feed you, but when you cosplay you do not assume a persona or another personality. You emulate a specific character and it's mannerisms for photos. No one is going to call you "madoka-chan" and use feminine pronouns. You're still you, you're not assuming the personality you choose for your self made character. You don't ask to be called a woman or a man (when you aren't those) when in Crossplay specifically because you're still you.

Crossplay is just clothes and makeup, and drag would be fine if it were only these too.

>>10389503
I'm sorry I honestly just saw a lot of the arguments ITT and thought a lot of them applied to crossplay as well. Sorry for being retard...

>>10389462
Lol you’re pretending that drag is the same as women wearing pants, bait harder dipshit.

>>10389486

Please stop with this red herring. Drag is a gay male pursuit. The amount of straight men who do drag is so ridiculously tiny it's not even worth mentioning.

>>10389541
It was in the context of a homoesexual vs. heterosexual argument that has no basis in drag, but you're not wrong that the community is extremely small.

>>10389462
Men can wear makeup and dresses all they want. I don't care if men want to explore more "feminine" pursuits for themselves.

I do care when a guy paint a face of clown makeup on, gives himself the name La Quifa and Parades around like he knows what being a woman means. It's the over exageration and characters that make drag offensive.

I really think Drag needs to be kept to it's own bubble and not mixed in with other subcultures. You can do drag costumes inspired by and based on other subcultures but trying to directly integrate it weird me out; partly because "Nerd Spaces" have often included underage children. Sexuality is a very difficult-to-hide aspect of Drag, it's a key part of it, and it's bothering me to see how children are being encouraged to go to drag shows and perform via taking off layers of clothing while receiving money from the audience.

I don't want to sound like a negative nancy, but as an old nerd I've always felt like hobbies that are incredible kind or sexually-themed are best staying as their own thing people can walk over to, enjoy, and then walk back over to the "e for everyone" zone. I don't like pushing Drag culture into the same space as pokemon, Lolita Fashion, Super hero comics and family-friendly tv shows.

>>10389462
not that anon but come on, drag isnt just dudes wearing makeup and dresses, theyre doing ridiculous over the top caricatures of what a woman is perceived to be, its mocking us.

>>10389652

I think this is a good point, one of many problems with drag queens (and frankly with homosexuals and other perverts in general) is they bring sexual perversion into everything they do, they can't just enjoy something for what it is without shitting it up.

cosplay of drag queens is a bit weird as it's their own personal design that they worked hard on. There was a drag queen that specifically make a makeup tutorial for people because he was getting tired of people looking like a messed up version of his design

You do know that Dragcon is a family friendly event too? Also with all the thots running around cons hardly wearing any clothes is also pretty sexual. Anime can be a pervy media.
How is a drag queen putting on a costume and acting any different from a cosplayer cosplaying an OC or role playing as a character? Drag queens are playing a character.
Remember when people cosplayed as Daft Punk, Prince, Freddy Mercury or Lady Gaga at cons? I DO! They are all eccentric performers, like Queens. That's why I would have no problem someone cosplaying their favorite Drag queen at a con.

>>10389652
You see what kind of people your thinking aligns with?
>>10389803

Pull the stick outta your ass. You don't give a shit about children being exxposed to things too early, you just don't care for the gay. Nobody is "pushing" drag into public spaces. People want to dress up as icons and they do. Deal, snowflakes.

>>10389803
>they bring sexual perversion into everything they do
you just described all men, regardless of their orientation
let's just ban men from everything, honestly

>>10390037
>>10390026
>the only possible reason for any criticism has got to be because you are homophobic
>women are whores so it's fine to offensively impersonate them as a fetish
And this is why people hate drag queens and their "woke" enablers. You ignore every valid point in this thread and attack women for rightfully being uncomfortable. Drag queens are notoriously sexist and misogynistic towards women. Aggressive to say this least and here is that behavior on display.

>>10390037
When you're confident that your logic behind an opinion can be calmly explained and make sense you don't care if a wingnut also happens to agree. Being afraid of whom an ignorant person might associate you is what drove people to hide in the closet and for women to hide in the kitchen. Try to hold your own opinion while not being afraid and you too will see progress in whatever direction you hope society to go.

>>10390026
Yes, it's suppose to be and it usually is. But it's at dragcon where women introduce their children to adults who are willing to host underage drag performances at adult nightclubs. Drag is a form of performance, but what differs is that Lady Gaga or Freddy or Prince are not a "culture", they are an individual. A Drag Queen persona is a fictional character that exists in a greater context that it is dependent on. Again, there is nothing wrong with the character Trixie Matel, but Trixie needs to bring along and invoke Drag culture to make sense... So in short my issue is I think Drag culture and Nerd culture don't mix well because Nerd culture is meant for a very, very wide age group and Drag culture is for a more selective age group.

. . . Overall I don't care about what people do outside of comic book / anime conventions, but I would like to think of myself as encouraging a non-rape culture, non-harassment, non-sexual predation of children culture at these events. I want cons to be carefree; I want Lolitas not to get up-skirt cammed, children not to be invited into party rooms and cosplayers not to get humped because "it's okay 'cause I'm a girl too!"

>>10389868
Ariana Grande's design team brazenly copied a drag queen's costume last year and he was pissed.

>>10390069

>>10390037
>> Nobody is "pushing" drag into public spaces.

Drag queens forced their way into libraries to read books to 5 year olds. Then it was discovered that some of them were child sexual offenders

But they aren't trying to force drag on unwilling participants. They aren't questionable at all.

>>10388978
Dropping truth bombs like a Kirov.

>>10390093
Yeah that shit sucks. Like, I know you guys are fans but you can't just use someone's personal design and personality as a Halloween costume because they worked so hard to perfect it and you made it into a mascot character.

>>10390213
Sauce?

>>10390252
you can literally google drag kids reading convicted sex offender.

>>10390252
https://www.newsweek.com/sex-offender-busted-drag-queen-who-read-book-children-city-library-1365384

so you have no excuses.

>>10390269
>sex offender POSING as a drag queen
Not invested in either side of this arguement. Just came to spectate, but this seems like a purposefully missed point.

>>10388779
Drag is good when it’s good. Pic related are my nine favorite looks in Drag Race.
Also these are some very talented queens
>Roxxxy Andrews
>Sharon Needles
>Kim Chi
>Valentina
>Tyra Sanchez
>Raja
>Raven
>Manila Luzon
>BenDeLaCreme
>Trixie Mattel
>Violet Chachki
>Aja
>Phi Phi O’Hara

Why hasn't this dumpster fire been moved to >>>/lgbt/ already where it belongs?

>>10390553
Because it started as a conversation of how Drag culture interfaces or crosses over with cosplay and conventions in general but then most rebuttles don't address it but then people try to bring it back to that point and then all the Karens on both sides try to steer it off course again.

>>10390515
Is it okay to use their designs as a cosplay tho? I feel like it almost steals it from the creator since you're not the creator.

>>10390882
If you can wear a Sonic the Hedgehog costume, you can wear a drag queen costume. You don't own Sonic, right?

i hate it as it's often not accurate at all and all drag makeup looks off when cosplyaing literally any anime/manga character.

stop trying to make drag in cosplay happen, it's not gonna happen

>>10388936
jesus christ, that's a lotta buzzwords!

>>10390778
>karens
Opinion discarded. Jelly tranny detected.
Go dilate.

>>10390900
there's a difference between "I made this for myself to wear and other to enjoy" and "A group of professionals made this to be plastered on every item known to man"

>>10390778
Karen isn't every woman that you hate.

The transexuals force their way into yet another space. Yay...

>>10390040

Low IQ take, yaoi fangirls, e-thots on onlyfans, etc are only two extremely obvious counters to your stupid post

>>10388911
Keep seething bitch

Stupid clown makeup.

>>10389462
Because women are inherently jealous about the fact that men does everything better than them except for getting pregnant. Literally if you look at famous makeup artists, designers, all those more feminine stuff men are the most famous often because in the end they work harder. Women will never and can never understand the struggle of being a man. That's not saying trannies are right though, fuck that and fuck the politicization of it all. But the the case that men are just bettet than women in general is just a known fact.

>>10391201
I don't agree with that anon either and yaoi fangirls and those con types that grab everyones boobs are counters to that, but onlyfans thots only exist because of mens sexual perversions. Do you think onlyfans thots would still exist if men weren't as horny?

>>10396218
>Because women are inherently jealous about the fact that men does everything better than them except for getting pregnant

But men aren't needed to do anything. Women can do everything men can do, even if it takes a little bit longer. Men cannot birth children.

All the world needs is what's reserved in the sperm banks. If men all dropped dead tomorrow, the biggest problem would be the stink.

Men are useless for everything. Nothing they do is irreplaceable. Men are more violent, too. Even among gay people, gay men are more violent than gay women.

Men created their own struggles by being territorial and violent.

Women are better than men. It's just a fact.

>>10389057
The same could be said about minstrel shows, it took talent and was a very popular art form for it's time. Not to mention, some of the performers perceived themselves as rejecting their own race, and there were black people who participated in them as well. Sometimes things with a rich history just need to die.

>>10389803
Scrotes ruined mlp for little girls everywhere :(

>>10396251

yes, instead of selling nudes online they'd be selling their bodies on the street corner, there is no difference in the end, they are whores

>>10399257

Agree 100%

>>10399266

But if men weren't horny there wouldn't be any market on the street corners either. Just sayin

>>10399266
Prostitutes on the street corner and a middle class white girl who needs attention the easiest way possible are different. Either way, neither would exist without men.

>>10399273
>>10399287

They could just not sell their bodies, but I guess women are too stupid and worthless according to you two to make money otherwise

>>10399348
>Stop accepting cuck bucks it makes me butthurt whaaaa

>>10399349

>it's men's fault that i'm a whore reeeeeeeeeeee

>>10399350
Men are the only ones that care if you're a whore my man, who cares what they think? Find a beta provider, fuck chads on the side and collect debt from simps. Being a whore sounds pretty nice uwu