/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10367811
Vendetta much? You didn't even bother to link the previous thread.

>>10367822
>Sat

>>10367823

>>10367821
the previous thread was deleted because of some off-topic argument about CP. stop trying to cry "vendetta" about random shit you paranoid retard

>>10367811
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>>10367811
I don't trust any friend of garbage-chan and I'm sick of this girl already.

>>10367811
so sexy, i want stomp on please mommy, let me succ titty please goddess

>>10367830
Is that why you made this thread? Another excuse to bring up garbage woman?

>>10367830
ah i see so it is vendetta

>>10367821
>Vendetta
There is nothing good about this.

huh?

>>10367811
how she doin that?

>>10367841
Jump

>>10367811
I weirdly like it, not because its good but because it gives me super early 2000s "weeb who just found out about lolita and wants to be like misa amane" vibes
I know that's oddly specific, but its a thing

>>10367841
sit on a stool and photoshop it out

>>10367841
obvious ps

>>10367811
Closet of photoshop - daily Lolita shopping
Imagine having such sad wardrobe that one can only grab attention by photoshop

>>10367811
Cant lie I like this. Feels like good old early 2000s “just read xxxholic” vibes

>>10367811
Ngl this girl is super cute

Lolita: expert
Sewing: expert to a degree

Thought i would give some inspiration to people due to the whole cronavirus killing the fun out there

Hi I'm <name>
Been doing sewing & knitting since the age of 4 I make my own paturns came from a family where my mum was a pro seamstress & she left me with all her sewing gear since she passed on in 2018
my first Lolita skirt I made i called the topsy turvy skirt as it is all Alice in wonderland theame & all metal keys cups & teapots that are for steampunk gear they come off so it can be put in the wash waist is black thick cotton the rest is some sort of stretch fabric lace is nylon

Wtf is going on in this thread?

>>10367846
Really?? Thought she was like Carrie or Matilda or something

>>10367882

>>10367884

>>10367886

>>10367887

>>10367887
This looks wild (in a good way)

>>10367811
This is really cute, not lolita, but cute.

>>10367886
This whole meetup looks v sad

>>10367892
How is it not lolita?

is she scratching her vag

>>10367896
Rosie Bow incarnate

>>10367886
That bag is so cute though. Anyone know sauce?

>>10367887
This look fine and creative. Like an actually successful mix of two fashions.

>>10367896
It's tight around her chest, the flower crown would be better as a bow, and the wig is a little unfortunate. But other than that this isn't really bad enough to be ita (unless I'm missing something?)

>>10367821
She’s completely Ita. No headwear, undergarments showing, cheap amazon looking stockings, goff platforms with a sweet coord. The only thing cute is her face.

>>10367902
Emily temple cute

>>10367823
This one would be nice if it had different legwear and some sort of hair accessory— it’s really not so bad I think.

>>10367888
Stop. Using. This. Pattern.

>>10367921
Nitpick much. Can you form a proper critique

>>10367855
Idk I'd rather see more creative photos in COF than the same old mirrored pictures. If you're going to wear a creative outfit, you might as well find an interesting way to take a picture of it too.
I don't think the outfit is necessarily great as lolita. The color balance isn't great and I'd rather see her with some kind of hair accessories. But kudos to her for bothering with interesting outfit presentation

>>10367876
i so badly want to ask people who label themselves experts but dress like this for concrit, i want to know what's going on in there.

>>10367941
The absolute kekery
Help now I want to as well

>>10367941
Right? Idk if I’d call myself an “expert lolita” and even my worst coords are 100x better than this. What could possibly make people like this think they’re an expert?

>>10367884
oof

>>10367887
i don't hate it? hard to tell how good it actually looks though because it's so clearly color edited

>>10367888
literally an ita final boss holy shit. i love how the heels of her shoes are fully submerged in the grass.

>>10367896
the biggest crime is the wig and headwear, the rest is just very generic looking

>>10367887
this looks dope as hell with the yumekawaii inspiration. not everything is ita just because it doesn't perfectly fit the definitions of your noob handbook.

>>10367992
>shilling kawaiigoods
anon no!

>>10367998
what the actual fuck are you talking about, newfag? do you not know what yumekawaii is?

Why are Itas so obsessed with Glittertale

>>10367940
It’s not a creative outfit, though. Most people who post strangely staged or edited photos have mediocre or downright ita coords and seem to be compensating. I have nothing against creative photos per se but COF is for fashion first and foremost.

https://youtu.be/rC8HCLPyPEQ

>>10367999
read the fucking picture, retard. kawaiigoods tagged it.

>>10368018
https://youtu.be/qZI5n0z8AjQ

>>10367999
It's from the kawaiigoods IG, anon. Do you not see the huge tag in the picture? You sound like the newfag now.

>>10368010
>It’s not a creative outfit
Agree
>Most people who post strangely staged or edited photos have mediocre or downright ita coords
Eh, is this really true? I can think of a few who are more creative with their coord pictures and they're definitely not bad

>>10368025
i generally agree with >>10368010. creative or interesting photos are way different from stuff like in the OP or the shock value crap fahr used to do. i don't think all editing is bad, but stuff like the OP pic where she's greasy and literally in front of her closet door looks like shit and wasn't done with care. i'd say 75% of edited photos are like this.

>>10367940
I'd rather see some good fucking coords

i literally thought this was the new girl in my comm's april fools joke but she was posting it as a serious coord

Taking makeup advice from drag queens was a mistake

>>10368049
God whyyyy do people do this to their faces. The worst part is it's not terribly applied, I bet she could do really cute makeup if she tried.

>>10368053
>not even terribly applied
excuse me???

Speechless

>>10368085
>Ideia
Even her spelling is ita.

>>10368085
This is so poor taste I can’t believe someone thought this was acceptable.

>>10368085
I wrote a paragraph to explain everything that was wrong with that idea and that coord but she deleted the post before I could post

>>10367949
I think it's possible to be an expert in terms of technique while being completely clueless about a specific substyle. I think the biggest issue is that all of these diy itas dont do any real research before making anything. That, and they try to cut corners with costs. Between the lack of knowledge of the community, and the use of shit quality materials creates the ultimate cringe. That being said, this bitch doesnt look like shes an expert in anything clothing related- that fit is atrocious

>>10367811
She misunderstood "hoverloli"

>>10367876
That face is pretty much the face i made seeing this

>>10368049
crepe paper blouse

>>10368095
The temporary insanity must have passed and given her rational side time to save herself from herself

The v neck tshirt really completes the coord

>>10368129
dropped pic like a tard

>>10368001
Ive literally never seen an ita wear glittertale
Only ladysloth and aliexpress shit

>>10368085
She needs a therapist not edgy fashion.

>>10368150
Plenty of itas wear glitter tale bc custom sizing. Anything that offers size range = ita bait

>>10368085
Even if this idea wasn't in poor taste, this isn't even lolita. She just looks like a 50s housewife with costume pearls who didn't bother to do her hair.

>>10368039
It's almost impressive how perfectly they got the "mid 2000s gaiaonline" look in the year 2020

>>10367811
so glad this is being called out for being bad. I saw it and was like, oh... bet everyone's gonna love it bc it's a skinny chick

>>10368023
>>10368019
obviously, but what does that even have to do with what i said? i only mentioned yumekawaii, which isn't a synonym for the shop. i don't have their catalogue memorized so i don't know how much of the stuff in the picture is theirs versus just a coord involving some of their products

>>10368200
it says the brand name across her shoe

>>10368201
again, you dumb bitch, i can see it. what does that have to do with my initial comment?

>>10368182
Show pics of itas in glittertale bc I haven’t seen any

>>10368200
>>10368204
We are saying not to defend the shit that kawaiigoods puts out even if you like the ita as fuck coord. We all know what the yumekawa aesthetic is supposed, and this shitty tossed together shop ad ain't it. It's a poor representation of yumekawa used in lolita.

>>10368205
Join the plus size lolita group on fb. You can see for yourself

>>10368220
Am I the only one who likes Kawaii goods?

>>10368237
she did a lot of stupid shit back in the day - maybe she still does - but >>10367887 is a cute outfit

>>10368240
Mind clarifying? Genuinely missed all the drama, I remember when she was one of teh biggest artists for fairy kei back on tumblr. What's wrong with her/her store?

>>10368132
I've seen my fair share of large people, but when I saw this my jaw literally dropped. How can you get this big???

>>10367821
It's not a vendetta if the OP looks bad.
The old thread was nuked so how did you propose they link it?

>>10367876
This was posted last thread but I'm so glad it came back.
This is hideous.

>>10367886
The whole outfit has everything shoehorned in. How is that possible?

>>10368049
She could be so cute, and have done something so much better for her face, but she chose.... THIS.
A pity

>>10368085
This pissed me off. And the people who were really saying it was acceptable?
Fuck their ita asses too.

>>10368085
I'm not even sure how this is inspired by Menhera-chan besides being hardcore ita.

>>10368245
>What's wrong with her/her store?
Overpriced for badly traced art, not to mention she sends her fanbase after the artists that call her out on stealing.

>>10368282

>>10368284

>>10368277
No one said it was ok. It was quickly filled with no’s and deleted

>>10368220
except it isn't ita to anyone but you. i don't know what old drama you're sperging about but this coord looks fine to us.

>>10368292
>us
>implying
it's bad and you should feel bad.

>>10368085
kawaii abuse uwu

i hate people.

>>10368282
Wow I used to be friends with the syringe artist on top, what a small world

>>10368198
So how fat are you? 200 - 250lbs? More?

>>10368293
implying...what? multiple people in this thread think it's fine including me. that plagiarism is shitty, sure, but the coord is fine

>>10367811
I love the photo. It's a creative shot. She's very pretty, but the coordinate is undeniably flawed. Imagine if she was just standing and taking a mirror selfie. The pink at the top doesn't work. It's not cohesive and a white or black blouse would be better. She has no accessories. That doesn't make a coord ita, but she even lacks a hairbow. The socks don't match the blouse, obviously. They aren't terrible but lace OTKs would be better. The shoes clash with the style. She's got a sweet blouse, old school goth velveteen skirt, witch striped ebay socks, and instagram/western gothic shoes. No accessories or anything on top of it. This honestly feels sloppy. I think she's new and doesn't own very much, so my advice is to buy more versatile pieces and accessories.

>>10368292
Not the same anon but it looks like an ageplay outfit to me.

>>10368326
jesus christ, what could possibly be ageplay about it

>>10368292
How is this not ita?
>lolita book sunglasses
>giant plastic earrings
>ill-fitting longsleeve tee instead of a proper blouse
>cheap plastic bobble bracelets
>regular socks worn over stockings
>badly painted platform sneakers
>kid's store purse
>multiple sequins bows tacked to the beret

>>10368331
Everything.

>>10368335
like what? what could possibly be "ageplay" about it that wouldn't also write off yumekawaii as ageplay? you have no idea what you're talking about

>>10368334
because it's obviously heavily mixed with yumekawaii and isn't pure lolita. this should be obvious

>>10368337
Like the fact that her "blouse" is by Melonhopper, an infamous ageplay store, besides all the kid's section accessories.

>>10368338
>this
>yumekawaii
newfag detected

>>10368344
Pic related.

>>10368337
>you have no idea what you're talking about
Then please explain me which part is the mature content that yumekawaii consists of to contract with the pastel element.

Not everything is a fucking fetish jesus christ

>>10368344
and? wearing vivienne westwood RHS doesn't automatically make my coord punk just because her brand is punk. don't be retarded, fashion doesn't work that way.
this outfit doesn't even have the baby bottles, teddy bears, and even MLP shit which you can often see in yumekawaii coords. this is far from ageplay

>>10368344
>infamous ageplay store
it just looks like Yandy had a baby with the american definition of "kawaii"
I wouldn't necessarily call it ageplay

>>10368358
so you're confusing it with yamikawaii. glad we cleared that up.

>>10368365
Thanks for confirming to be a newfag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtDp2FumekI

>>10368362
Forgot, wearing 90% kids section and ageplay gods but with an AP jsk suddenly makes an outfit lolita, right

>>10368363
They advertise themself as such on social media tho.

>>10368362
>Vivienne Westwood
>punk

Maybe when she started 40 years ago, not now. There’s nothing punk about high end, mass-produced fashion. People into jfashion think punk is just a couple safety pins and some plaid. Not a single punk I know wears those things. It’s as bad as the itas in BSOLF thinking every square dance dress or grandma’s 80s Laura Ashley dress is loliable. You look just as ridiculous to most people into punk or rock music as those little sisters to do most decent lolitas

>>10368272
Did you see her trying to defend herself in the comments because holy shit

>>10368368
>posting this video again and only paying attention to 1 sentence while ignoring everything about the actual fashion
do tell me what "mature content" you find in these outfits

>>10368369
>calling typical yumekawaii ageplay
kys. literally nothing about this ageplay unless you're a pervert. get your mind out of the gutter and stop shitting on other styles

>>10368372
don't care enough about the brand to know that. as an outsider, I'm just telling you how I see it.

you on the otherhand seem to know a lot about ageplay, what brands to shop at, what makes a "ageplay outfit", so on
I highly suggest that you stop projecting your own repressed fetish onto strangers.

>>10368393

>>10368383
Anon, tartan has historically been a part of punk because of its roots in the UK. Safety pins were a staple because lots of poor punk kids who had to personalize their own jackets weren't exactly great at sewing. RHS were made 35 years ago.

I'm sure your friends don't wear these things but they're just historical facts about the fashion.

>>10368393
fucking preach, im so goddamn tired of people crying "ageplay" at the drop of a hat.

>>10368397
I’m aware of the fashion roots lol, I’ve been a punk for 15 years, I’m just saying it a ridiculous preconceived notion that punk = plaid all the time and all you need to do to be punk is put safety pins on a t-shirt like listen flavor does. Then all the other jfashion people are so impressed with how “punk” you are. It hot topic punk and lolitas love it while simultaneously hating hot topic lolita. If what hot topic does to Lolita offends you, you shouldn’t do the same thing to other subculture fashions

>>10368414
Hot Topic was cringe back then, but by now it's nostalgic. Punk posers were cringe back then, but by now it's so far from the origins that it's its own aesthetic.

>>10368414
RHS are "hot topic punk"? That's the only thing that was mentioned so I assume that's what you're ranting about?

>>10368282
Well then, that sucks. Thanks for sharing, I suspected it may be art theft but didn't expect there to be proof

>>10368415
horrifying

>>10368414
>iM pUnK aNd EvErYoNe NeEdS tO kNoW hOw PuNk I aM

>>10368415
It looks so bad I love it
Huehuehuehuehuehue

>>10368414
You're not a punk, real punks wear whatever they like, be it plaid or whathaveyou. And they wouldn't complain about other people's outfits not being "punk enough" tbqh.

>>10368414
You sound like one of those crackpot gatekeeper punks lol. I frequent punk clubs and a lot of the younger people there wear jeans and T shirts with their docs and still mosh twice as hard as everyone else and are in bands of their own. I agree with >>10368472 punk is what you make of it, and you can wear whatever you want

>>10368486
>>10368472
>>10368463
>>10368417
Ok, have a nice time being super edgy and punk in your black and white striped socks and red plaid skirts. Don’t forget your safety pins and heart shaped chokers!
Not gatekeeping, just don’t like my subculture being a costume. but I see for you all it’s only upsetting when it’s done to YOUR subculture, not other people’s

>>10368498
kek stay mad

>>10368498
ok bloomer

>>10368498
Your the punk that punks hate. Stay mad. Sorry you got kicked and shunned from your own punk community and you feel the need to bring that to NON PUNK threads. Go be angry somewhere else you sound like a 30 year old white guy who only listens to "real punk music" .
punk is a fashion and feeling not a brand stupid

>>10368498
Tartan skirts/clothing and safety pins (pic related) have been a part of punk since it began in England, as I explained above here >>10368397
If you're actually bitching about this then you're retarded.

>>10368513
*here:

Also Rotten wore entire suits of tartan

>>10368498
A fashion that has existed for half a century with communities located all over the world might exist differently to how you and your buddies dress? Wow who would have guessed

>>10368514
Yeah no shit the Sex Pistols wore tartan. Johnny rotten also wore a safety pin through his ear. Y’all take cliches like that and run with them just like itas take black and white and think that’s all lolita is. It’s like buying t-shirts of punk bands from Walmart. It’s completely ridiculous and antithetical to the what the subculture stands for. Thinking that stuff or modern mass-produced VW makes you in any way punk is laughable.

My eyes hurt.

>>10368519

>>10368518
Sex Pistols, Vivienne Westwood, and Malcolm McLaren invented the British punk look and sound as we know it today. Punk has evolved since then, but to deny its roots makes you the ill-informed poseur. Punk is fashion, music, and a subculture. Punk music and fashion have been nothing more than commercialized fashion statements since their inceptions. Punks have all sorts of political beliefs and "the punk lifestyle" can hardly fit under a single umbrella. High school druggies who dress in plaid and listen to DKs are punks. 20 something y.o vegan jackoffs in a band are punks. 40 y.o. boomers who remember the good ol' days, wear tshirts and jeans, and hate the pigs are also punks. Literally piss off you underage troll you don't know shit.

>>10368516
No one but a weeb would think that’s punk

>>10368525
last time i checked this wasnt a punk thread. this is why our threads keep getting deleted

>>10368524
We all know where the roots of punk were, are you just showing off how much trivia you know? Did you read Wikipedia tonight? Gold star for you. The point is that spoiled school girls in a red tartan skirt, a safety pinned British flag t-shirt, and expensive modern VW shoes made in a sweatshop are not punk, it’s a costume to them and it’s insulting and to see it worn as such and have an entire community of lolitas think they’re sooooo punk. The same people throw a fit if something is ita or come here to mock and shame the people in this thread for tagging their stuff as lolita, but do the equivalent to punk fashion. You get mad the lolita tags on Instagram are used by efame tryhards and pervs? Stop doing the same to punk. And yes, punks are doing the same mocking of you

>>10368525
>what I don't approve isn't punk
kek that's not how fashion works, especially with a fashion this globally expansive. the person in said picture is literally a fashion designer

>>10368528
Maybe I’m trying to get it deleted

>>10368519
this is just a fucking mess of color

>>10368530
>it’s a costume to them and it’s insulting and to see it worn as such and have an entire community of lolitas think they’re sooooo punk
no one is saying it's punk when worn with lolita. That's quite literally the opposite of what the initial poster was saying.

>>10368530
Lolita itself is a punk scene so it doesn't matter if they're wearing union jack or whatever you decided is considered "real" punk lolita. It is subversive to the norm, and real punk comes from those individualists. You sound like a karen, but maybe with a septum piercing and a bad green dye job. You don't get to decide what's punk or not, so stop being such a narc about it.
>It's NoT vErY pUnK oF yOu to be a gatekeeping square on a Vietnamese millinery forum. Gtfo.

>>10368539
>Lolita itself is a punk scene
nayrt but hard disagree with this. classifications like this may not have set definitions when it comes to art, but I don't think most lolitas would consider ourselves punk other than when it comes to a punkloli substyle

>>10368539
>>10368543
take it to general please

>>10368543
You obviously don't know what punk means in that case.

>>10368543
you know for a fact thats not what was ment. you are trying to be stupid at this point

>>10368550
>thinking it’s the same anon

>>10368530
Listen the knock offs and possibly Mellisa collaborations are made in sweat shops. The real deal rocking horse shoes are still made by hand in the uk you poor penny pinching shit. Don’t talk shit about stuff you don’t know. Westwood tried to keep as much of her stuff uk based as possible.

>>10368234
NAYRT but that would be really awkward for a normal size person

>>10368519
Really poor use of color, the complete lack of red in the print and sax in the rest of the coord is very jarring. It's like she copied someone's honey cake coord but couldn't afford honey cake

>>10368498
>don’t like my subculture being a costume.

GAMERS
ITS TIME TO RISE

>>10368519
Didn't people comment about Chikfila being anti gay or something on her post? Those comments are gone now, wonder what happened.

>>10368338
yumekawa is a theme, not a style. the outfit is poor, and has dumb shit shoehorned in.

>>10368549
I'm sure that lolita is punk to you. I understand that lolita is subversive and why you personally classify it like that, especially if you are also part of the punk scene.

But the reality is the vast majority of us don't consider our style to be punk and will never use that term when explaining it to others. Realistically, that's kind of all that matters since there's no other real way to classify anything subjectively in art or fashion. Though I'm sure lots of us would consider lolita to be an "alternative fashion" like punk.

>>10368550
New here? "Nayrt" means that I'm not the same person as the other anon.

>>10368591
whoops, meant "way to classify anything *objectively" instead of "subjectively"

>>10368591
nta, but she means that it's punk as in counter-culture, not as in a literally punk rock style. i don't know why you're mentioning anything about explaining it to others. choosing to disclose certain things to normies has no bearing on reality. also her post didn't imply you were the same anon, just that you have shit reading comprehension.

>>10368594
Sure, I guess? I mean it's a modest fashion that idolizes royalty, uses a lot of religious imagery, and portrays classic youthful femininity so I don't know if I'd personally describe it as very counterculture. Obviously, goth is more counterculture than sweet and classic. Though I do see how just dressing different from normies and standing out would be counterculture for some people.

>her post didn't imply you were the same anon
She said "you're trying to be stupid *at this point*" implicitly implying I talked to her at some other point (I didn't). That's why me and >>10368552 assumed what we did.

>>10368600
How new are you to this fashion? A counter culture just rebels against the norm, in this case, beauty standards. Lolita is a rebellious counter culture fashion at it's roots, this death of the author shit is just tiring. You seem to be stuck in some bubble where counter culture has to be some edgy, dark style. Using religious imagery for fashion, especially when you have prints of jesus or saints and the like, is pretty edgy to begin with. I'd even argue that sweet lolita is almost more counter culture because it focuses on shunning ideals of "maturity" and focuses on youth. Even now, there is still a lot of focus, both in Japan and the west regarding how Lolita defies beauty standards set by men and how empowering that is.

>>10368311
literally I'm around her size. or should I say, your size, since no one but the OP would be able to defend those hideous yru nightcalls.

>>10368608
don't forget her greasy ass hair.

>>10368600
"Dressing different from normies"
That's literally what the word counterculture means, you dolt.

>>10368519
Please tell me this is an April fool's joke coord. Fruity Lemon deserves better than this.

>>10368520
>>10368519
why do both of her bags look pained?

>>10368272
The tags on there really mean fuck all. Just because you can, doesn't mean you're good at it. I wonder if these "experts" ever get embarrassed when someone of that skill level does post.

>>10368612
Pretty sure it was meant to be a non-serious quarantine coord

>>10367811
Cute shoop, shit coord

>>10368617
Not ita

>>10368606
>A counter culture just rebels against the norm, in this case, beauty standards.
A lot of it doesn't though, at least not for sweet and classic. It's a hyperfeminine fashion emphasizing your small waist and you typically wear feminine and cute makeup to look conventionally pretty. A lot of men and women find it conventionally cute or even (ugh) sexy. People in other fashion subcultures don't have to put up with as many unwanted sexual advances as we do. I suppose the religious imagery can depend on if you yourself are religious, but I would say it definitely reveres the imagery more than ridiculing it.

>>10368610
That's just one aspect of this style though. On the other hand you have lifestyle lolitas trying to act like the patriarchal ideal of a woman who drinks tea, bakes, sews, appears modest but pretty, and looks youthful.


To both of you, I do see both sides of it so you can stop with the unnecessary condescension. I can't personally make up my mind so I'm playing devil's advocate. Obviously, every time I wear lolita people stare or sometimes are dicks to me just because I'm dressed differently, so I get firsthand why that would be considered rebellious and counterculture. Especially in Japan where individualism is frowned upon. But my inner radfem is also aware of the stereotypes this perpetuates about femininity and what "being a lolita" means to lifestylers. Too many normies look at our fashion and often immediately think we're dressing as a fetish for men.

>>10368628
>I can't personally make up my mind so I'm playing devil's advocate.
no, you're just factually wrong and whining about being called out. your definition is wrong, get over it. if you think that lolita of any style embodies modern beauty standards then i'd love to know where you live! it's also pathetic that you think a few people fetishizing something makes it overtly sexual. it's also weird that you assume gothic lolitas (who arguably appear more mainstream) are somehow rebelling more.

> inner radfem
this explains so much, namely your outdated frame of reference for beauty standards ripped straight from the stepford wives. and your weird obsession with branding everything remotely feminine as patriarchal.

>>10368617
Nitpick. Needs better socks and shoes and to dye and deep condition her hair

>>10367811
every time this person posts it's to be an edgelord. I've yet to see a good coord.

>>10367824
This girl's caption is so fucking cringe

>Who says lolita and kung fu can't mix?

>>10368649
still peddling this shit? you people are one step away from ageplayers and are confused with them for good reason: half of you are. go dress like daddy's dolly and have a teaparty. you're materialist sellouts. that's not fucking punk at all and the definition of punk isn't just "normies laugh at me". otherwise all the religious preachers i see on the street would be punk

>>10367895
Anon... more than half of it isn't lolita....

>>10367940
Closet of frills is about sharing COORDINATES not your uwu aesthetic photo composition ffs. White wall, stand up straight. it's not that fucking hard newfags.

>>10368656
It's ugly af, plain, and completely uncoordinated but what's not lolita about it? I've seen lolitas wear pieces similar to those successfully in better coords.

>>10368020
top-tier cringe

>>10368649
> no, you're just factually wrong and whining about being called out.

I'm not and have no reason to lie about that but if you want to feel like you're fighting valiantly for a cause then you can continue to believe this.

Certain aspects of it absolutely embody modern beauty standards (makeup, plenty of hairstyles, etc), but yes obviously almost all the clothing does not. Luckily, that's not what I said.

The biggest difference to me is that I didn't join lolita to be counterculture and subversive unlike people who dress gothic or punk, so yes the attitude feels extremely dissimilar. Appearing weird to normies is a symptom of my choosing the fashion, not the cause. I don't feel like I'm sticking it to the man every time I wear lolita, far from it. I feel like an even easier target, especially for sexual harassment.

Also, beauty standards and patriarchal standards are not the same thing. Lifestyle lolitas practically act like Stepford Wives themselves, with their baking and sewing and being dainty. They're expecations that people still push on women today.

>>10368654
LMAO you're so pressed. i'm not the one using the term punk, but i'll throw some sympathy your way since that word is the only thing you can hold on to.

>>10368662
you seem extremely sheltered and barely radfem if you think you're a target for sexual harassment just because you wear frilly dresses instead of goth or punk. also goths and punks don't do it to be counter culture either much of the time, my point is that it comes with the territory, you should understand that contributing to something associates you with it. i'm done talking to you now because you seem dense and naive (and really defensive).

>>10368663
oh so then you agree. lolita isn't punk. you should probably stop arguing for that exact position then

>>10368628
when did patriarchal beauty standards become "dress like a grandma rug threw up on a bisque doll" or "dress like a pastel 80s girl's cartoon threw up on a cupcake"

>>10368665
Oh, I know they still deal with it. That's why I said they experience it less than uss, rather than saying they don't experience it at all. I went through a punk phase way back when and personally did it to be subversive like a lot of punk kids. I felt much more fearless than when I wear sweet lolita.

I don't know how my experience with a lot of sexual harassment would indicate I seem sheltered to you. In your last post you said my being radfem "explains so much", and now you're saying I seem barely radfem. Most radfems I know look down on lolita. I also never said I experience the harassment "just because of the dresses", I said that the dresses exacerbate it. Which they do.

A lot of your points seem like misunderstandings or misreadings of what I actually said.

> (and really defensive).
Ironic, since I haven't insulted you once. I've only calmly clarified assumptions you were getting wrong. I wish I could say the same for you but you keep showing aggressive and emotionally charged behavior.

>>10368000
How do you manage 5head with a wig?

>>10368132
I don't blame you for dropping, it looks heavy.

>>10368284
>$235 for a resin pendant with some falsies on top

Yikes tho

>>10368668
Anon doesn't seem emotionally charged to me, are you just not used to image boards or something? I also kind of feel like you seem defensive because you keep typing walls of text. I agree that you seem sheltered as well and shoehorning words like radfem or patriarchy into everything makes you sound even worse.

>>10368617
Put a wig on her and this is fine

Different socks and a nice wig and it'd look really nice.

>>10368676
i personally hate the apron tho.

>>10368667
THANK YOU.

>>10368675
My long posts are almost entirely consist of discussing my points to refute yours. It's just a genuine interest in fleshing out a topic that I find interesting. Anything short of properly responding would be laziness to me.

Defensiveness would be samefagging at the end of an argument everyone else has clearly long since stopped following, simply because you already said you would stop responding and don't want to lose face.

Anyways this is obviously getting off topic so I'm heading out.

>>10368513
>posting the frontman of one of the most mainstream manufactured punk bands to prove rEaL pUnkS woRe It
you just posted cringe bro

>>10368687
>everyone who disagrees with me is the same anon!!

I've been watching the conversation and none of your replies seem to come from a place that wants to learn anything.

>>10368543
>punkloli
GET OUT

>>10368575
CoF mods don't like discussion

>>10368692
i hate this. i will also never be able to say "gothloli" out loud without wanting to kms even though i know japs do

>>10368694
no one like unnecessary virtue signalling in a fashion post. bitch probably just wanted a chicken sandwich, it's not that deep. besides, most companies we all use on the daily have done awful shitty things so it's both unnecessary and irrelevant

>>10368658
>Silhouette
>Skirt length
>HALF OF IT IS NORMIE

>>10368657
you sound boring we see thousands of boring photos and clothes on a body are only so interesting, fun aesthetic edits or poses make things more interesting or else you could all just post floordinates

>>10368662
>I don't feel like I'm sticking it to the man every time I wear lolita,
So you're a poser Lolita, got it.

>>10368696
Maybe Gosu-rori if I'm talking about the roots of the fashion, still want to kms tho.

>>10368702
go to instagram then, there's a fuck ton on aesthetic shit for you to fap to there. I'm just trying to see coordinates.

>>10368682
Ok, that doesn't make it ita.

>>10368703
wtf is this gatekeeping? i also don't. i just do it because i think it looks cute. sorry we didn't get the memo that all lolitas must conform to your arbitrary rules. are you the same retard who was calling lolitas posers in the CoF thread for taking selfies and posting them to instagram? i swear to god i've been seeing the dumbest shit on cgl lately

>>10368708

>>10368709

>>10367836
Experimental dick flatteners.

>>10368387
>>10368388
You seem to confuse yumekawai=pastel, it always had a dark/mature element, hence "poison" or "yami".
>kys
Go back to Tumblr.

>>10368707
go back to shitposting elsewhere.

>>10368393
>you on the otherhand seem to know a lot about ageplay, what brands to shop at, what makes a "ageplay outfit", so on
I highly suggest that you stop projecting your own repressed fetish onto strangers.
Not really, it's not like this and littleforbig wouldn't flood jfashio tags, everyone and their mom knows those due to how hated they are among the community due to tag abuse.

>>10368713
>says the edgelord who only wears lolita to get attention for being different

>>10368388
You probably think >>10368374 is yumekawaii too.

>>10368712
anon, yume isn't yami. yumekawaii and yamikawaii are two different phrases. you literally could have taken 5 seconds to google this

>>10368718
See >>10368368

>>10368628
>>10368654
>my inner radfem is also aware of the stereotypes this perpetuates about femininity
>go dress like daddy's dolly and have a teaparty
I don't even have to comment on anything, you just outed yourself as a whole idiot. If this is really what you think about lolita fashion then you don't actually know anything about it.

>>10368720
stop shilling this awful channel.

>>10368721
>thinking i'm that wishy washy lolita
i'm a punk you absolute fucking retard.

>>10368724
How is it awful? Ichigo Rinahamu invented yumekawaii and it always has been defined that way, different to yamikawaii which is /dark/.

>>10368707
I don't have CoF because...

>>10368716
>wears lolita to get attention
...I don't wear it for attenttion. I wear it in spite of the attention. I wear it because I'm tired of dressing for other people in the way they find acceptable. I wear what I want now, whether it is normal and attractive or not.

>>10368728
Thank you.

>>10368726
NTA but >>10368628 is definitely a lolita.

>>10368720
the woman in the video is literally wearing an MLP shirt and children's accessories. where is the yami in her outfit at all?

>>10368730
...she literally explains that in that vid... Did you even bother watching it? Doesn't seem so, I call troll.

>>10368727
Lolno. For the last time yumekawa isn't a fashion, it's an aesthetic. No one invented the idea of cute fluffy dreamy pastel things.

>>10368732
Roleplayer detected.

>>10368729
>again, thinking i'm that wishy washy lolita

>>10368732
Then Spank! style doesn't exist either because ~nobody can invent 80s pastel aesthetic~.

>>10368732
And this is a lolita "ita" thread so fuck of with bad excuses trying to make it a thing.

>>10368728
there's literally an entire manga about a woman who wants to wear lolita but is way too afraid to draw attention to herself. you all slurped that up but it's good to know that apparently now you all think she's a poser

>>10368519
This is hilarious, and their frozen lemonade is delicious. But it's still not a cute outfit, and giving homophobes the time of day is in poor taste. I guess I think it's half-ita.

>>10368739
The manga is about her becoming a lolita - becoming unafraid. Did you only read the first page?

>>10368736
>>10368733
This has been discussed again and again and again. Unless you speak Japanese you can sit the fuck down.

>ゆめかわいいという言葉は2012年頃から使われ始め、画像投稿サイトなどで「ゆめかわいい」が広がります。また、その頃から急激に普及し始めたUVレジンによりゆめかわいいアクセサリー作りに夢中になる女の子が激増。ゆめかわいいハンドメイドが流行となり、さらに「ゆめかわいい」という言葉が一般に広がりました。

ハンドメイドというと編み物やビーズアクセサリーなどのイメージが強かったと思いますが、一般家庭で「ハンドメイドらしくない」本格的な樹脂アクセサリーを作ることができるUVレジンの登場は、とても鮮烈でした。

画像から広まったゆめかわいいがレジンの流行によりゆめかわいいハンドメイドとして、実際に身につけることができるようになった「ゆめかわいい」は、TwitterやInstagramなどのSNSにより拡散され、今では世界から注目されるほどのワードとなりました。

そして、若者の文化だった「ゆめかわいい」には大人たちも着目するようになり、ポピュラーなカテゴリーとして扱われるようになります。今では有名ブランドからもゆめかわいいアパレルがリリースされたりと、話題に事尽きません。

This explains the term so unless you can read it, stop shilling shitty videos.

>>10368746
>calls the video shitty
>uses the description of yumekawaii from a mainstream kawaii shop
newfag

>>10368746
By the text, the outfit called ita isn't yumekawaii either because it doesn't feature anything resin or handmade.

>>10368746
I like how you left out it's part about yumekawaii featuring "yami" of the copypasta.
>また、「病み」の要素を含んでいるゆめかわいいも存在していて、ゆめかわいいの派生語である「病みかわいい」との区別化は少し難しいです。(病みかわいいについては3章をご参照ください。)

>心の病みをきれいなパステルカラーに変換して、魔法少女になれるような…そんなふわふわしたものが「ゆめかわいい」なのだと思います。

>>10368744
everything that has been translated at this point shows her continuously freaking out in public. becoming unafraid is not the same as intentionally trying to be different. i just wear the fashion because it's cute. being comfortable enough with the attention to do so came secondarily. and guess what, everyone still calls me a lolita. sorry if that breaks your arbitrary rules but that's how fashion works. you don't fill out a personality test to join it, you just wear the clothing.

>>10368753
>>10368752
god you idiots are obtuse as fuck.

>>10367811
This coord is super cute and I have it saved in my inspo folder. Stay mad cgl

>>10368758
She goes and wears it in spite of freaking out, more and more often. How dense can you be? Who said anything about intentionally trying to be different? I said I intentionally wear what I like, just like you, in spite of whether people pay attention or not.

>>10368682
It's the apron that comes with the dress. Baby's Chess Alice Cafe OP

>>10368498
Bitch I'm >>10368486 and that's not even what I said? I said punk is punk even if you wear a t shirt damn. Never said anything about plaid or safety pins but if your gatekeeping ass is so mad then I would suggest a bath bomb and maybe some meditation

>>10368769
Her socks look like low quality party city but I don't mind the rest.

>>10368769
>>10368776
My top unpopular lolita opinion is that I much prefer cute girls wearing semi-ita stuff like this over fat or ugly women wearing coords that technically follow all lolita rules.

>>10368779
that's not a lolita opinion, that's a coomer opinion

>>10368792
No, I'm a lolita. I just think the style is always going to look garish on fatties or manfaced hags no matter how well coordinated they are.

>>10368519
Fun idea, horrible execution.

>>10368615
They most likely lack the self-awareness to be embarrassed. Or to even realize the disparity between that person's skill level and their own.

I have a feeling this guy is a problem waiting to happen, given how he keeps talking about 'curtseying' and his thigh highs. Seems like sissy 'elegant lady' roleplaying.

>>10368779
>>10368810
Wrong thread.
>I'm a real lolita
Nice try. Begone, scrote.

>>10368810
I agree so hard. I wish people stopped accommodating for fatties and just make them loose weight instead, you don't have to be stick thin for it but atleast a healthy BMI. They're all so willing to put this time and money into finding dresses for there fat to spill out the sides they can put that energy towards a new diet.
>bet everyone's gonna love it bc it's a skinny chick
Maybe that's a hint that a Japanese fashion ment for Japanese people who are all fairly healthy looks better on the intended body type.
I'd rather see a cute skinny girl in "ita" than a fatty-chan destroying head to toe brand with her body
>Manfaced
Never really cared for how people look in that sense. Japanese lolitas have said themself that ugly people gravitate towards lolita do distract from their face

>>10368726
Then what are you doing in the ita thread dumbass.
Also, wearing politics as a fashion statement is cringe. I'm probably a bigger activist than you and I only ever wear kawaii pastel ultrafeminine shit. Nothing says "stick it to the man" more than actual activism.

>>10368830
Asians are all "healthy"? Yeah, I'm sure they all follow a strict diety and have a good workout regimen.
Being genetically inclined to be fucking tiny doesn't mean you're healthy. Take a look at Yao Ming. He's a fucking walking stick but he's so fragile he can't get through a season without injuring himself. Yeah, super healthy.
I'm not saying obesity isn't a problem in the USA because damn it is, but that doesn't mean that every non-Asian who isn't short and rail-thin is fat. Think about how many black girls couldn't fit in lolita for the life of them, but are tall, lean and athletic. They're probably healthier than a 5'2" Japanese schoolgirl whose only form of exercise is walking to and from the train station on her way to school.

>>10368834
someones mad about being fat... do you know a single thing about anything your talking about
(someones fat and racist)

>>10368834
>how many black girls couldn't fit in lolita for the life of them, but are tall, lean and athletic.
Lmaaaaaao

>>10368828
>that messy floor
also why does he look like jerma985 in drag?

>>10368828
He looks like he's cosplaying some kind of office worker.

>>10368628
Lolita embraces femininity as rebellion instead of rejecting it. It’s intentionally turning the girlyness up to 11 to make the statement that femininity is not lesser than masculinity. Lifestylers don’t give up things they love to be more lolita, they just open themselves up to new hobbies that are considered traditionally feminine like sewing or baking, both of which are really fun and creative. For me wearing lolita has the same idgaf feeling as telling a guy I hate sports on a first date, I’m girly as hell and I don’t care if men like or dislike it. It may not be the type of rebellion that resonates with you the most but it absolutely is anti patriarchal.

>>10368667
>You must look youthful; use cosmetics to appear so
>It's best for women to be petite
>You must look good and be consumable
C'mon, think of how many perfectly fine coords get posted to the ita thread because the woman has an unfortunate face.

>>10368874
are you confusing lolita with gyaru? what a retard

>>10368875
are you pulling shit out of your ass? what a retard

>>10368875
In what world is gyaru makeup "youthful"? I'm talking about the constant "no Lolita after x years old" posts, and the way petite women like in OP can get away with garbage outfits.

>>10368877
this means very little from someone who thinks this kind of exaggerated femininity is male pandering.

>>10368875
Gyaru is the style that brought us this kinda stuff, the absolute opposite of conventional beauty.

>>10368879
>the way petite women like in OP can get away with garbage outfits.
>is literally the OP of the ita thread
what drugs are you on?

>>10368883
i know, i was being ironic.

>>10368884
>Is literally defended by multiple posters in this thread >>10368779 >>10368830
Sorry about your reading comprehension.

>>10368866
Thank you, finally something of substance in this train wreck of a thread. Lolita has always been about hyper femininity to the point of repulsing and rejecting the male gaze.

Shut up and post itas

>>10368918
no u

>>10368890
the person defending it got called a maleposter by multiple people. are you one too?

Can everyone stop shitting up this thread and post itas

>>10368289
You must have missed a couple, I saw at least 4 telling her she did a great job and how though it wasn't lolita, it was a good guro attempt

>>10368930
This is so close to looking cool. Maybe if it fit her properly and she did something with her hair and face

>>10367811
This girl is so pretty, it's no wonder all the salty seagulls keep posting about her. I wish I was even half as good looking as this.

>>10368769
>Saved in my inspo folder
Damn Anon, you can aspire to more than that.

>>10368697
but here’s the thing. Chick-fil-A has contributed to anti-gay organizations and still do. her coord is problematic, offensive, and insulting to gay and trans lolitas. her coord was as bad as those who wear Die Walkure with the swastikas.

>>10368687
I agree with everything you posted, anon

>>10368959
Die Walkure doesnt have swastikas
>>10368950
*Jerk off folder

>>10368947
Damn, bitch we get you like how your photo came out. Just accept no one wants to see your cheap party city socks and incomplete coord coord.

>>10368947
bait

>>10368959
bait

>>10368947
Pretty......?

>>10368965
>bait

that’s your reply? deafening

>>10368575
They're gone because it's not factually true.

>>10368959
Literally every major fast food chain is giant corporation that underpays its workers and pays lobbyists to change the laws on consumer protection, environmental protection, labor rules, etc. etc. to favor their corporation over public safety, public health, and the public good.
The CEOs of these giant corporations are also paid ungodly amounts of money and you bet your ass they’re using Some of that money to contribute to shitty conservative causes. You’re fooling yourself if you think there’s any ethical consumption under capitalism. Just because you know about the shitty behavior of Chick-fil-A doesn’t mean that every fast food chain isn’t equally shitty.

>>10368959
But who cares?

>>10368967
people say this as a warning, not a reply

>>10368969
I know about the wage labor for fast food employees. It’s why we need Bernie.

Tbh, I’m mad the CoF mods shut down the convo. It would have been productive, but they’re a bunch of Trump-loving/Ben Shapiro listeners.

>>10368966
She looks cute here too, what is your vendetta against this girl? Seriously you sound so petty.

>>10368828
It's always the ones with a chin as large as a kitchen stink. Staph. You'll never be kawaii. It's a fashion style, not a state of mind, it's not a boner/"gender euphoria".

>>10368834
3% of Japanese women are obese. In the US it's damn near 40%, and possibly more since BMI underestimates bodyfat, and some minorities have even higher rates because the ubiquity of cheap junk. Everyone uses their car instead of walking to school and any stations. But you haes it up now, go off.

>>10368977
Just bc someone isn’t fat doesn’t mean they’re healthy retard

>>10368959
Like trans lolitas aren't offended by literally everything. You're oppressing them by being cis.

>>10368947
Fuck it, thread's almost dead. Tell me why this is not ita? "She's pretty" isn't an argument. The whole thing looks cheap, cheap stockings, no accessories, color balance is completely off, the "look at my thighs uwu" pose. Defend this. You've made so many posts to keep bringing up how pretty she is. Defend the coord

>>10368978
But if they're fat they're more likely to be unhealthy, fatty chan. This is a scientific fact. Don't sugarcoat it, or you'll eat that too. Just look at the corona victims.

>>10368982
Underweight people are just as at risk retard uwu

>>10368972
>>10368959
Bait. CoF is not the place for political discussions. It's for outfit sharing. It has nothing to do with the politics of the mods (and at least one of the mods is a bernie supporter)
>>10368981
There's no doubt that it's not a good lolita outfit. But having a photographic point of view instead of just standing in front of a mirror is refreshing. It reminds me a lot of older Kera/GLB. But really, people like it because it's a nice photo of a decent looking person.

>>10368978
Do you not realize that the life expectancy is way older in japan? Low calorie diets promote longevity and that's a fact.

>>10368978
Maybe, but someone being fat almost always means they’re unhealthy.

>>10368984
Underweight and overweight aren’t the only things you can be. There’s such thing as a healthy weight, believe it or not. Just because being underweight isn’t healthy doesn’t mean being overweight isn’t just as bad.

>>10368985
The photo itself is bland as well. Whatever fun the shoop brings to the picture is painted over by the bland background. Not to mention it is a fashion group, not a photography one, and what is presented is meant to be considered for its fashion.

>>10368923
I'll give you that the first one is probably a male coomer, the second one reads like a woman posted it.

>>10368982
>>10368986
>>10368987
can we please go back to discussing itas and let this fatty eat herself to death in peace?

>>10368617
It’s very old school or at least it makes me think of the really good outfits from back in the day.

>>10369019
Now THIS is good bait.

Can a listing be ita holy shit

>>10367811
Nani?

>>10369049
Her bloomers and pettycoat are really turning me on right now, thank you for this

Why are Itas so obsessed with glittertale?

>>10369060
because real lolita's would rather spend their money on brand.

it doesn't take a genius to figure it out. why is everyone here so fucking stupid. stop asking dumb questions

>>10368930
Why the before and after ironing pics at the side? Is she trying to show off that she managed to finally use and iron to get the pleats back or show others what they need to do to make it look great?
Also I know the hat it part of the release and all but she doesn’t really suit it. Don’t know if it is the hair style or just her face shape that is causing it but I don’t see how it is ita at all.

>>10368959
You have to be insane to think eating a chicken sandwich is offensive to anyone. Fuck off, you're the reason everyone is tired of LGBT activists.

>>10369021
Hey out of shitty handmade and any shit the someone found the local shop made outfits, there was soo many, this would have appeared amazing even with the hair that looked like she stuck a fork in the plug socket.

>>10368617
Raggity Anne Kei

>>10368826
True. There are a shocking amount of people that will pick up a hobby and then think they can turn around and sell what they're making. So, this shouldn't surprise me.

>>10369049
Is that a scrotum

>>10367811
new
>>10369248

>>10367830
Why do they call her garbage-chan? Does she dig through the rubbish bins looking for free items or something?