/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Howlong till they cancel DCC?

>>10355432
Until the government calls it quits I think. Im pretty sure the province of Utrecht will be 'shut down' much like Brabant pretty soon

>>10355434#

They better announce this either soon, or have more strict rules at the con regarding hygene

>>10355432
DCC already made it clear they have no intention of cancelling unless absolutely necessary. So unless nearly all their guests cancel or the "Veiligheidsregio Utrecht" decides to forbid all large events it will just take place as planned. Just don't forget to wear your hazmat suit and don't share your bottle of water.

>>10355432
Might be possible that they cancel (or postpone) it 1 week beforehand, just like (Heroes) Made in Asia in Brussels. I guess they are waiting to see if the situation will change positively.

Tomocon

Kek, how many free tickets did they already pass around?

No way theyre gonna stay under 1500 attendants

Think many cons will wait till maybe a weekend before. And if the goverment is going to get strickter it will probaly change i think cons like tomo and nishicon can not be 100% sure yet

>>10356155
I think you are correct (as we could see Made in Asia do it), but it sucks for the people who are preparing to sell their merchandise. For example, MostCutest has a surplus of products, since Made in Asia is postponed. So they are having a sale to get rid of it.

Let's wait and see what the Dutch government will decide today and later on.

DCC is kill, the government has spoken. Until March 31st all events with +100 attendees are to be cancelled.

>>10356156
Well, all events with more than 100 attendees has be cancelled or postponed, this ban is until at least march 31.

That means that DCC has to be at least postponed.

>>10356185
This will not go well for Easy Fairs.

>>10356185

At least postponed but that doesnt mean DCC has to do it. Travel ban means at least american actors etc. cant travel etc.

I think they will cancel but well means they wont have to refund us because the cause is corona.

oh no muh cosplay :((((((((

On Nu.nl I read that HDCC is cancelled.

>>10356249
https://www.nu.nl/muziek/6037000/deze-grote-evenementen-in-maart-gaan-wegens-coronavirus-niet-door.html
Guess now we'll play the waiting game for an update from HDCC.

>>10356249
>>10356257
Moved to 4-5th of July

That feel when no qt, thick legged, big ass having, kind hearted, ex-cgl girlfriend who lives near Leiden/the Hague ;___;

So we're getting a summer DCC then. Will this reveal more thottery cosplay-wise?

Also I'm getting pretty sick of everyone complaining about how hard they worked on their cosplay and that cons are getting cancelled because of "just a flu".

>>10356821
Well that's narcism. These people can only care about themselves, the world revolves around them didn't you know?

FACTS in Belgium also just got cancelled due to corona. No reschedule, they'll just skip the spring edition and hope to see everyone at the fall edition.

>>10355423
I'm not even Dutch, but I love the fuck out of whoever posted the header image. LunLun is best girl.

>>10356825
What a life. Living in on a planet that fully revolves around one slighty overweight girl and her almost finished boku no hero cosplay.

And there goes Firstlook as well. #Corona strikes again!

Sorry for off topic but wat is the anime on the op pic?

>>10358293
Hana no Ko Lunlun

>>10358291
TIL FirstLook still existed. Judging by the FB responses I can't say I've missed much...

>>10358293
>>10358317
The english name is Candy Candy. Its a classic.

No worries everyone! Tomocon is still happening! :^)

>>10358825
We will see in a few weeks. We can't be for sure at all.

>>10358481
Candy Candy isn't the same anime, but the same style. >>10358317 has the Japanese name but in the US it was localized as Flower Angel.

AnimeCon's 56-hour festival in Rotterdam will be postponed until 2021

AnimeCon's 56-hour festival in Rotterdam will be postponed until 2021: AnimeCon 2021 at De Broodfabriek in Rijswijk, 11-13 June 2021.

AnimeCon 2021 (22nd edition) will take place at De Broodfabriek in Rijswijk, 11-13 June 2021. So they skip the regular and are still planning to hold Classic in 2021 as well.

>> So what about the difference between AnimeCon and AnimeCon Classic?
>>AnimeCon is aimed at any and all (Japanese) pop-culture fans with lots of vendors, extensive game room, a huge variety of food and drinks, concerts, lectures and competitions of all kinds. AnimeCon Classic is our 56-hours continuous convention with more exclusive events, selected vendors, cozy bars and a richer experience all together.

Organization of AnimeCon announced the 22nd edition. It will take place at De Broodfabriek in Rijswijk, 11-13 June 2021. So they skip the regular in 2020 and are still planning to hold Classic in 2021 as well.

>> So what about the difference between AnimeCon and AnimeCon Classic?
>>AnimeCon is aimed at any and all (Japanese) pop-culture fans with lots of vendors, extensive game room, a huge variety of food and drinks, concerts, lectures and competitions of all kinds. AnimeCon Classic is our 56-hours continuous convention with more exclusive events, selected vendors, cozy bars and a richer experience all together.

>>10359206
So no second edition? Shocking!

>>10359403
>So no second edition? Shocking!
Not really, seeing the shit that is going on in the Netherlands with all the cancellations and postponed events, better to ride out the storm and make plans for calmer times.

I am still wondering if Animecon in Almelo will continue or that one is going to be cancelled or postponed as well?

>>10359422
It wasn't shocking even before CO-VID broke loose...

>>10359424
>It wasn't shocking even before CO-VID broke loose...
I guess so, Ahoy was not really an option for them anymore, it was most likely (too) expensive and given that the Ahoy security for example where just shit, they also will never have Ahoy exclusively for themselves unless they grow so much that they would be bigger than DCC. I don't see happen any time soon.

So it seems that if they stayed at Ahoy that they still had to share the premises with old geezers visiting Julio Iglesias or Brain Addams.

The Broodfabriek is a good choice though, a bit smaller usually means you can have that location for yourself, it has in my opinion more atmosphere compared to Ahoy, and again in the Randstad, close to public transport, lots of parking space nearby, I don't know about hotels, there is one close at the edge of that part of Rijswijk.

Anyone else see the news about Tomocon? Instead of postponing, they want it to continue in April. It sounds like such a bad and irresponsible idea.

>>10359696
I read there post as. Most positive senario that they can go on in april

As yes we probably already can predict . Not gonna happen. And then i have the feeling that people stop reading. Senario 3 and 4 is a date in september or in june

I like it more that they keep it updated like then then in comparison nishicon who said 2 weeks ago that it goes on but has not given an update yet. And may is faster here then we think

As they state in their last message, the measures taken by the government are not extended after 31st of march 2020, which is factual incorrect because they already extended the measures up until april 6th 2020.

as the RIVM states: "Sports and fitness clubs, saunas, sex clubs and coffee shops close from Sunday 15 March 6:00 pm to Monday 6 April."

>>10359422
>I am still wondering if Animecon in Almelo will continue or that one is going to be cancelled or postponed as well?

So far I understood this event will take place, but they keep an eye on the COVID situation. Since a lot of things are insecure and the government can give extensions, it might be that TomoCon can get in trouble. It is a sad situation. I'm not even sure if things in May and June will continue as normal.

>>10359696
>>10359702

>>10359703

Everyone in their right mind with at least two working braincells will know just looking at other countries and live kabinet speech this wont be over for at least a month or two before it will become steady/in control.

If this was such a short thing the prime minister and the kind would not have made a seperate video/speech.

Knowing Mark/Tomo he will most likely cancel last minute due to Corona ( while he could already have taken action ) so he wont have to refund everyone. No way he will do another editiion where standholders and visitors wont have to pay.

But seeing how part of cosplay community is acting there will be enough who would still go if given the chance.

>>10360627
>Knowing Mark/Tomo he will most likely cancel last minute due to Corona
They are literally waiting for the moment that the government will say that it is forbidden to organise events. That way they can cancel it without losing too much money. But if they cancel, they need to refund. If you mean that they will not refund when they postpone, also sounds silly. Because not everyone will be able to come to the event. There should be a choice available to ask for your money back. But what is a bit silly is that they are already having other options available and presented to the audience. So they are not having a problem with moving the event to another date, but wait because the government hasn't said it is forbidden to have this big of an event (in coronavirus hotspot North Brabant). That is something I don't really understand. Why wait and give yourself (the organisation) so much stress?

>>10360646
>literally waiting for the moment that the government will say it is forbidden
Aka most Dutch citizens. I'm surprised most people in Amsterdam aren't dead already from eating contaminated poffertjes in the squares or taking yoga lessons in the parks.

>>10358833
You are correct, my mistake. Messed them up.

Opinions on this? https://youtu.be/I_CB6ydMFk0

>>10361406
I am not going to watch this.

To be exact many events will wait till the goverment says no. I mean dcc would not have cancelled or move to another date if the current measurements were not taken. The only thing is i think they knew it was a possibility and alreadybwhere working on a new date without or knowledge . ( i mean you can not change the date that fast normally so i think they where already prepared). But if tomo postpone i would suit to do the same as dcc. If you are not able to go you get a refund

>>10361406
As linking this video here and finding it on facebook was not hard anymore. The chairman of tomo reacted to it that i probably next tomo will be in september

Or so I’ve heard, so tomocon is definitely cancelled then? Despite the fact that this quarantaine should only last till April 6th?

>>10361483
April 6th won't be the end of it, mark my words.

>>10361504
This.

>>10361483

goodbye Tomocon. at least till June

Even Acon at june 5 is very unlikely now!

So I feel like I might’ve spoken too soon by saying this whole quarantine thing wouldn’t last longer than April 6th

Conventions and festival that need to be postponed or canceld: Elfia, Keltfest, Tomofair, Mysteria, Made in Asia, Japanmarkt Leiden.

Animecon Classic is very uncertain at the moment.

>>10361557
And Nishicon!

>>10361543
Good.

>>10361543
On the website it already says 5 and 6 September.

I found this >__<

>>10361824
It is fitting.

So how are all of you coping with so many events being cancelled or postponed and not knowing how many more will suffer the same fate this year? How has it been affecting your cosplay plans and daily life?

I hope you all stay safe and healthy during all of this so we can meet again once all of this has blown over.

>>10361911
Mostly now seeing al the shit go loose on facebook( mostly on tomo but also some other event people saying my dress or costume blabla bla) and mostly suprised how pissed of some weebs get and how much they think me me me and the rest can die

For myself i bought a hometrainer for at home as mu gym is closed . The pool is closed and my fighting lessons do not go through. 2 positive points:most cons will be around the end of the year now so con season shifts quite a lot and i have more time to make costumes now

>>10361911

It is actually going prety well. Indeed enough idiots wanting to push meets, still going out for shoots etc. Hope those idiots will get fined.

>>10361911
The one that gets me the most is Easter with the f senpai :(

>>10361911
I guess I'll be saving a ton of money on cosplay and event tickets, though it'll be pretty sad not seeing my friends at events. A lot of us live far apart so we don't have many opportunities to see each other outside of these events.

Other than that, I can already predict that loads of events will be booked on the same dates if everything gets postponed. Dokomi just announced their new date as September 12 and 13, the exact same dates as the new Summer Tales Boutique lolita event. I can only see it getting worse from this point out.

>>10362019
But Summer Tales is a Lolita event and Dokomi an Anime event, so I don’t think those two will bother each other much.

>>10362019
>>10362124

I now even have more time to prepare for dokomi, so I don't mind the change

Its gonna be a busy summer for cosplay ,

Dcc -start of july (5 and 6)
Castlefest - july-august(30-2)
Nish- start of august(8-9)
Abunai- end of august(28-30)
Viencon -end of august(28-30)
Tomo - start of september(5-6)

If it goes on like this every weekend in summer a convention

>>10362926
Unless the government decides upon an extension of the quarantine period.

Anyone doing the stayhomecomiccon thing? I don't understand what's going on, am I too boomer?

>>10364130
All I know is the person in third place for the compo is blatantly vote manipulating and I'm having fun vote manipulating those in first and second place to make sure that cheater won't win.

>>10364674
>All I know is the person in third place for the compo is blatantly vote manipulating
Glad to see I'm not the only one who noticed this.

>>10364674
Ofcourse they had to host an easy manipulatable cosplay contest. Do they not know this community?

>>10364695
In their defence, the whole stay at home con thing was only set up two weeks ago or so. If anything I'm surprised they managed to arrange all of this to begin with in such a short timespan..
But yeah, it's totally not obvious when you suddenly gain +250 votes as a nobody cosplayer at a rate of roughly 2 votes per minute for 2 hours straight...

>>10364696
I think even for the first place person to get that many votes per refresh is very obvious..

>>10364695
It's always the same people who win stuff like this. More fans = more votes.

This is just a popularity contest.

Animecon is also postponed

Animecon 2021 at "De Broodfabriek" in Rijswijk, 11-13 June 2021
Animecon Classic at Theaterhotel Almelo, 24-26 September 2021

Mandatory update now that Animecon Classic 2020 got cancelled due to Corona.

Good luck fighting things out with the hotel everyone. The arrangement rooms are rebooked to the new date in 2021, but all rooms booked normally you will have to sort out yourself. Same goes for getting your money back if you already paid or cancelling an unpaid reservation.

>>10365135
They also stated you will have to agree to the doubled room price to keep your arrangement next year. So no more trying to get the hotel to stick to the originally agreed price.

>>10365139
It's like they want to drive people away.

>>10365149
>It's like they want to drive people away.
Simple minded fool!

Man, animecon really had to cut down a lot on the artists this time.

>>10366345
At least it fits the 20's theming, especially with the whole epidemic cancelling the con. And here I thought they would just simply mimic Abunai's theme element from last year.

>>10366345
Suffice to say that's not official AnimeCon art. I do like the effort.
>>10367798
Why would they do that? There's no need for that: both have enough ideas and creativity to avoid borrowing.

Hi everyone,

Does anyone have the sextape of angelique? she owns a store and made a sextape a while back.

>>10370252
Why would you even wanna see that. She's disgusting. Also, pretty sure name dropping isn't allowed anymore?

Hohohoho.. Abunai weekend tickets on sale from april 16th for just a lousy 64 euros!

#cossafe

Abunai is getting fucked, one way or the other

>>10374876
Most likely yes. But at least they already stated you can get your ticket refunded in the case of postponing and hotel rooms can be cancelled and refunded free of charge until mid July which is new. So even if the government decides to extend the current measures by only a month or two that still leaves plenty of time for the final decision.

But frankly, for the sake of all event holders I hope the Dutch government will just follow Germany and Belgium and flat out cancel all events this summer rather than keeping everyone in doubt month to month. Simple fact is that for as long as the 1.5 meter distancing rule stays in place there will be no way for a convention or festival to take place.

>>10374876
not to forget the other conventions who postponed to somewhere in August if the Dutch government decide to follow Germany and Belgium.

>>10374891
Rumors are that the government will forbid all events until the first of September, so I highly doubt it will happen.

I've seen a lot of Dutch cosplayers use this hashtag and idk, it seems distasteful. Opinions?

>>10378703
Cringe

>>10378703
What the hell why even

RIP Abunai and Viencon I guess

Well, all events until September first are cancelled. Can't say I'm surprised and in a way I'm glad. At least now organisers, visitors and related businesses know what to expect for a longer period. Doesn't make it any less bitter to me tho...

>>10378986
Tomo was almost directly promoting their free tomotaste event that will take place in September. But we can't be sure if there will be an extension or not...

>>10379031
TomoTaste is just the catering at their events and not a standalone thing. They just like to make "we have a food court" sound special so people get less salty over having their food and drinks get confiscated upon entrance.

Dont really like how dcc is doing. Not to be rude or someting but they are the convention woth the post income. But make it the hardest to get your money back. And them we have tomo who is like . Here take it back.....

Anime hie there refund option in the small english part

>>10380277
you know that every convention forbids food and drinks right? Animecon also checked at both the world forum and ahoy. which totally makes sense since you're not bringing your own stuff to a restaurant either, and that's what tomotaste is: a restaurant! it's just rediculous that some people try to sneak in entire KFC buckets and pizza's.

>>10378986
might as well through Anime Boston in there

>>10380277
>TomoTaste is just the catering at their events and not a standalone thing. They just like to make "we have a food court" sound special
Why am I not surprised?

>>10378703
putting that in your bio and claiming to be an adult..
kinda contradicting bro.

So how do you all feel about stay at home cons? Anything you like, find lacking about them or do you find them just a waste of time?

>>10384538
okay idea, bad execution. waste of time.

>>10384538
So AnimeCon just announced an online convention. You can send in ideas for events, if you want.

>>10384538
Tbh I really don't get what the point is. I mainly go to cons to see my friends IRL.

>>10384538
It was a nice way for artists to make some money on commissions but that's about it. You just can't get the same convention vibe going online.

A bit late but I only now noticed that nozlan is kill.
Who will take it's place?

>>10398910
Probably nobody, honestly. Or some people who whill attempt it but highly underestimate the work/time Nozlan put in

>can find English sewing dictionaries
>can find Dutch sewing dictionaries
>still can't manage to translate many English sewing terms to Dutch

Does anyone here just so happen to know what 'cotton Silesia' fabric is called in Dutch? Google is no help, but I'd prefer to buy from local (online) fabric shops rather than import from the UK.

>>10404383
>cotton Silesia


I feel your pain.

Dutch fabrics just don't get those fancy names but are just named for what they are or named after the way they are made, which makes searching for fabrics kinda hard.

From what I could find out, Cotton silesia is a twilled cotton fabric.
Twilled = keperbinding in dutch.
My guess is that Cotton Silesia is Keper Katoen.

So how was Animecon from home? I heard from friends it was boring as hell.

>>10408607
Well a PowerPoint presentation about swords without any photos sounds really boring (especially when the person who was doing this presentation was rude as hell). The best things imho will start tonight.

>>10408607
horrible execution and rather cringy

>>10408607

It wasn't all that interesting. I tuned in a couple of times on Twitch but quickly tuned out again to do better things. A lot of the content just wasn't for me and the social feeling you get at conventions was missing. I did check the discord a couple of times but it was mostly just the annoying yaoi guy circlejerking with the crew. I was really hoping for something better with the +-60 people watching.

Also missed seeing art and crafting content aside from the usual cosplay guests. I did notice the artist alley on discord but that really was just a separate channel where they all buried eachothers socials.

>>10409439
You know it's bad when the most active member is the creep from the animecon porn video.

>>10408607
I didn't mind the music evening on Saturday.

DCC online? No one any comment?

>>10414295
There's not much to say? It happened and only few cared. People just aren't that interested in At Home conventions anymore now that they've adjusted to the new norm and daily life is picking up again. Personally I unliked their page this weekend after they started flooding artist ads. I sure hope those weren't the posts artists had to pay for.

Also Stay Home Comic Con isn't ran by Heroes nor DCC.

Does luckycat do lewds?

>>10414321
Nah it was all free.
If you applied they would ad you.

>>10414321
Those artists SHCC promotes are pretty shitty too. I'm not going to pay €20+ for something I could've drawn in group 8.

Where were you when Tomo announced they posses 100% effective means to defeat Corona? I forgot where I was myself as my memory got deleted by Tomo for being too cynical.

>>10416687
i don't get why people still go to tomo events, they're organized cheap af and pretty cringe

does anybody know if gamerooms/gamepit or whatever is left of it is doing

>>10416687
It's sad how Tomo keeps removing every comment that questions their ability to host a "100% corona proof" event. People are having serious doubts about their safety at this event in the midsts of a pandemic and rightfully so. But instead of properly addressing these concerns and putting people's minds at rest they just keep deleting their posts. Is this really how you want to treat your (possible) visitors? I think not.

In the time it took them to monitor and remove all those comments they could had easily taken control of the situation by making a proper follow-up comment or post addressing these valid concerns. Hell, even something as basic as editing their preventive measures into the actual announcement would had been enough. But no let's continue making the same mistakes every single time and not learn anything from them. Now have a meme.

>>10416735
These guys are really sure of themselves and rude, what else do you expect of them? We just have to ignore them, then people will forget about this event we should not name.

>>10416687
Next edition: TomoClinic

>>10416687
At least they are smart enough to organize this in late april next year. Maybe they are silently hoping that the authority are not that strict anymore around that time and perhaps we will have a vaccine then.

If that is the case they can turn this market into the usual Tomo-shit fest that it usually is.

>>10417352
TomoCon is moved to 2021, yes. We are now talking about the TinyTomo that will take place in the beginning of September.

>>10417352
Thought they discussed this with the municipality of Oss to get this through. I guess it is according to the rules, but the whole corona proof thing is a bit silly. But they always know how to promote such things.

>>10417352
TomoCon has moved to next year and instead they are now doing a 100% corona proof TinyTomoFair on 5 & 6 September. Oh sorry, a "markt" with a main stage and game room which is totally different than a fair because fairs are considered events and thus are not allowed.

>>10417352


Tomocon is moved to next year, this "market" is supposed to happen this September. They are already claiming this market will be 100% corona proof.
>>10417359
Best way to figure out if they really discussed this through with the municipality of Oss, is by contacting the municipality of Oss about this 100% corona proof "market"

Also let the Municipality know that people have concerns but Tomo is not answering any questions and deleting any comments about it as well.

Seems like DCC fall edition is on and also calling itself "coronaproof". Not a word on their measures however which will be interesting considering it's a +20.000 man indoor event.

Elfia is also trying to make their edition happen after all. Guess they'll have it easier with it being outdoor tho.

>>10422884
Nothing will really Corona-proof for the time being.

It all comes down to how much square meters do you have available on your location, that minus the space you need for tables and other things leaves you with a netto amount of space available for your visitors while still being able to keep social distance.

>>10423431
so conventions in big trade fair event locations might have an advantage then

>>10424404
Not really. Distancing means you can now fit 1 visitor where you could once fit 4 or 5 and most of the events in large venues already use their floor space to the limit under normal use. The only advantage they have is the option to perhaps rent another hall which is expensive as fuck. If anything I expect some form of crowd control and some new measures.

General areas: limited total amount of visitors, wider two way paths and keeping right, limited seating space to demotivate groups from forming, toilets being cleaned more often and hand sanitizer points being installed. Hopefully also mandatory face masks as indoor ventilation often is poor and there will be situations where one won't be able to keep distance from others.

Dealer area: limited number of people allowed in to allow distancing in what is always the most hectic location at any event, wider paths, mandatory one way routes, no lollygagging to prevent paths from clogging.

Gaming areas: limited amount of people allowed in, sanitising controllers after use, limited play time to prevent groups of people wanting to play next from forming.

Main stage: limited available spaces for visitors, no helpers allowed backstage, added waiting area for those competing in contests.

Photography: banned in most areas to prevent clogging and taking up valuable floorspace. Just take it outside, especially at say DCC.

Anyway it will be interesting to see what the events announce themselves and how they plan to enforce their rules. I just hope the community will be able to actually follow them.

>>10424953
>Dealer area: limited number of people allowed in to allow distancing in what is always the most hectic location at any event, wider paths, mandatory one way routes, no lollygagging to prevent paths from clogging.
This will be a deal breaker for vendors, limited numbers of visitors means less income while the price for the stand/table will at least stay at the same level or perhaps even rise. Is it worth it for the smaller vendors?

>>10425728
>This will be a deal breaker for vendors, limited numbers of visitors means less income while the price for the stand/table will at least stay at the same level or perhaps even rise.
That's why you only let a limited amount people into the dealer area simultaneously and make sure the flow of people keeps moving. This way everyone attending the event can (eventually) enter the dealer room in a relatively safe way and dealers will still be able to make sales as usual.

>>10425774
>That's why you only let a limited amount people into the dealer area simultaneously and make sure the flow of people keeps moving. This way everyone attending the event can (eventually) enter the dealer room in a relatively safe way and dealers will still be able to make sales as usual.
They won't make the same sales as usual, keeping people moving is one of those things, to maintain social distancing you need more free space than usual, meaning less room for stands and tables and certainly for the bigger main stream stuff selling dealers less space available means less revenue from sales. Big conventions are still big money spinners for them.

It also why smaller dealers have relatively speaking more trouble in running a decent revenue than the bigger ones. Forcing bigger dealers to go smaller is a potential no from those dealers, and you as a organisation need that revenue brought in by dealers.

>>10425788
>to maintain social distancing you need more free space than usual, meaning less room for stands and tables and certainly for the bigger main stream stuff selling dealers less space available means less revenue from sales.
Hence why you enforce one way paths which have a larger capacity and limit the amount of people per area. That way you can greatly reduce the amount of additional space necessary to allow for distancing. There's also plenty of room to regain by playing with table placement but that all depends on how the venue is set up. But in the end I expect things to be a clusterfuck either way which is why I refunded my DCC ticket. People can't even follow basic distancing at a grocery store, let alone a busy social event.

And I agree most dealers are probably fucked anyway. There will likely be far less total visitors due to venue limits and visitors not attending due to safety concerns. I also wouldn't be surprised if the "postponed, not cancelled" meme forces dealers who had already signed a contract for the "postponed" edition to show up on the "new date" and pay the rates they originally agreed to or pay a no-show fine.

https://www.dokomi.de/en/covid-19

The Covid-19 rules for Dokomi that is being held at 26th & 27 of september 2020.

Note that they went from about 60.000 square meters to 108.000 square meters and still only allow a max of 15.000 visitors per day. Masks are mandatory and showing symptoms of infection like fever and running nose will get you kicked out.

Now remember this is Germany (North Rhine-Westphalia) and not the Netherlands, still interesting to see how they are planning to handle large crowds.

>>10427543
That is indeed an interesting development! I'm curious to how this will play out.

Anyways, their comics are super cute btw.

>>10427640
Me to, almost twice the space with just half of their usual visitors.

>Masks are mandatory and showing symptoms of infection like fever and running nose will get you kicked out.

Yeah good luck spotting my runny nose underneath a mask

>>10428382
<snirf, snort>

>>10428382
Snirf, snort... cough wheeze
Hey lets check your temperature with this IR-thermometer...

Maybe someone can help me out? I never used to be a big figure collector but I just got into it a bit more. Now I accidentally bought a bootleg figure. I was way too excited so I didn't check it on flaws.

Does anyone have experience with this and knows if I can return it to the store and ask for my money back?

>>10432793
That really depends on when, where and how you bought the figure anon.

Online purchases from Dutch stores you can return for up to 2 weeks after delivery. There's no reason necessary and a full refund will be given as they are required to do so by law. With international orders it all depends on the seller.

Returning in-store purchases depends on the store in question. They aren't required to allow returns nor are they required to give cash when taking returns. Most stores will give you a week however, sometimes with store credit instead of cash. Being friendly also helps to get them to make an exception for you.

If it's a second hand purchase through Marktplaats or Facebook the seller isn't required to do anything. You could report them to Marktplaats or a group admin for selling bootlegs and that's it.

Also if you can't return the figure you could try selling it to someone who doesn't care about buying bootlegs. At least that way you can make back some of your money. If you're feeling creative you could try customizing the figure. But no matter what, don't forget to leave reviews everyone about the store selling bootlegs, especially if they tried to pass it off as an official figure.

>>10432937


Selling bootleg is illegal in this country, doesn't matter if you're a store owner or average joe.

If you bought bootleg at a store I would return it stating it is a bootleg and demanding your money back (since you know, selling bootleg is illegal which makes your contract of sale non existent.) If the store pretended it's a real figure your contract of sale is still void because of deception and the seller had no sincere intention to be fair. If the seller says he/she "didn't know" he/she failed their duty to investigate, and that also voids the contract of sale.

tl;dr: demand your money back, do not try to sell the bootleg!

>>10432793
Well anon, how did it go?

What does everyone else think of the new lolita comm mods?

>>10441930
Good choices

Doed anyone know what the fuck is happening in Cosplay Verkoop? They just posted a public apology but closed the comments after they already got some backlash.

One of the admins was bashing a member of the group in a public discord and was kinda hyping up her ban. Said (ex) member found the discord posts and screenshotted them and posted them on her Facebook, which resulted in a big backlash to said admin

Everyone who wants to sing terrible on television. Here is your opportunity. SBS6 is look for another cosplayer to portray as fictionkin and make a fool of.

>>10445153
“We are not trying to make a fool out of you, but we are looking for a cosplayer to sing a sing even if they cannot sing.”
Sadly there are still certain people that fall for this kind of shit...

>>10445071
>>10445079
Christ, could you be any more obvious about self posting and trying to bait for negative replies?

>>10445079
Her facebook post was trashy and she kept bringing up that the admin was probably mentally ill or whatever. Both were in the wrong anyway.

She and her BF are fucking tools who have no reading comprehension whatsoever.

but hey, TIL that blackmailing will get me back into the group if I ever get banned.

Getting back into the whole costuming scene after a very long hiatus (at the worst possible time, I know) and was I imaging things or didn’t there use to be an EFF/Elfia forum? I can only find the FB group and some old individual posts scattered across random other forums now. Is there any other kind of centralised discussion hub anywhere that I’m missing?

>>10355423
I left this group years ago. You're all shitters and get a fucking life. Got to work at industry conventions instead of being a coomer going to meme cons. Imagine actually having an anonymous coomer party cult losing it's anonymity

>>10448170

When people say the discord people are salty they obviously haven't met this person yet :)

>>10359206
>>10359422
Redpill me please. I've been to AnimeCon in 2019 when it was in Ahoy. I don't really have any interest in cramped/'cozy' editions though, so would you recommend me to skip Classic?

>>10454131
>Redpill me please. I've been to AnimeCon in 2019 when it was in Ahoy. I don't really have any interest in cramped/'cozy' editions though, so would you recommend me to skip Classic?
No, it is still 13 months away!

>>10454131

> I don't really have any interest in cramped/'cozy' editions though
> so would you recommend me to skip Classic?


Seeing how Classic is aimed as a 'cozy' edition; Yes

I would recommend skipping classic anyway, it is smaller but also way more expensive than the regular edition. Plus I've seen the staff justify the doubled hotel room prices and try to guilt trip people into paying the raised price.

> "it is not the same package Nishicon offers"
it is the exact same deal and the same deal the hotel offers for any other special weekend, yet because of Animecon somehow it is double the amount.
> "We (staff) paid the same price"
> "Why are you making a fuss we didn't get a discount either!"
> "Don't get any legal advice, the hotel has the right to change their prices after booking."
> "Why don't you sleep on it and think if it is worth it, after all, it is a 'special' package..."


You'd think they really need the money or something...

>>10454501
Shame. Good thing the original's still planned though.
>For 2021 we are preparing two festivals: A regular edition AnimeCon on June 11-13 and AnimeCon Classic on September 24-26.
I guess I'll just go to that one then.
Anything else that's kinda fishy that I need to know? Most I remember is being a VIP and barely having anything worthwhile accessible to me. Just a shitty 'goodie bag' with an armband and a bottle.

>>10454501
>You'd think they really need the money or something...
Only the sun will rise for free.

>>10454531

rumor has it they are pretty broke

>>10454538
How would they be broke? 2019 had a stupid amount of visitors afaik.

>>10454557

Shit happened in the Hague, shit also happened in Ahoy.

>>10454586
What happened if you don't mind explaining?

>>10454538
>rumor has it they are pretty broke
But yet they are not bankrupt, they still exist as a foundation. This either means that they are not broke or that they have a deal with the creditors. In both cases you still need money, a lot more of that than your average gymzaal-convention.

>>10454557
ahoy was a financial disaster, that is pretty widely known. and since then the only had further costs and no income due to the pandemic. so yeah, they need money to stay afloat urgently.

>>10456975
Welcome to the events and festival branche who have landed on hard times because of this pandemic.

But you are slightly wrong on one point, they already started selling tickets before the pandemic started and then asked if you wanted a refund, use that ticket next year or donate the ticket-fee to the J-Pop foundation? And I guess that they are using some kind pandemic-regulation as they exist to help small companies and such, it would be stupid if you don´t use those.

Time will tell which of these organisations will stay afloat and who will sink.

It feels weird how normally we would have been chilling together in de Abdijbar by now and having random fun. Here's to next year! Hopefully by then not everything will be cancelled.

Saw this post being bumped in that cosplay nl eighteen plus facebook group

Anyone hear anything from that Shady guy from REKINDLE?

>>10466685
Omfg hahaha is that a *worksafe* plug? Ahahah
Kek xD KOLKOLKOL (kekoutloud)

>>10466688
??

>>10466685
>Anyone hear anything from that Shady guy from REKINDLE
Yes, Rekindle is dead and he now has 2 new projects going called Angeldust and Westmoore. A few people in the community have been approached to join but dropped the moment they found out he was in charge. Good thing really, means we learned from the scam that was Rekindle.

>>10416735
>It's sad how Tomo keeps removing every comment that questions their ability to host a "100% corona proof" event.

At some point in time they probably got tired of all the hate, vilification and misinformation people were spreading on their page that instead of engaging with all the facebook morons, they simply delete them.

personally I don't understand why you would even spend time writing hate comments on their page. just ignore them and don't go there.
Live-and-let-live.

they do have a video tho explaining shit:
https://www.tinytomo.nl/100-corona-proof/

>>10467896
>>10467896
100% corona proof does not exist. So why claiming that it is?

>>10467934
especially when there are visitors who are planning to have group hugs at this event

>>10467938
advice: don't!
If you violate the 1,5m rule twice you get kicked out.

Gotta love how even a poorly made Big Mac looks more like the picture on the menu than what Tomo's execution look likes their advertisements.

>>10467896
Again, a simple clarification would had stopped the "Facebook morons" from "hating, vilificating and misinforming". The only clowns in this circus were the ones in charge of Tomo socials. Guess that must be a hard pill to swallow considering your choice of words.

>>10468522
They probably tried. It's facebook you know, those aren't the smartest people. They'll always find something to bitch about. Best is to just ignore them.

>>10468535
but they also need facebook to do their promotion, otherwise nobody will come. hate love relationship.

>>10467934
Nitpicking things like that is retarded. It just means they follow all government guidelines. It's also not a protected term so they can advertise with it just fine, just like how they could say it's 100% fun.

>>10468660
I think this 'nitpicking' was done because we are talking about public health and we are currently still in a pandemic situation. But okay whatever, right?

Gotta love the tone here. Facebook morons, retarded nitpicking... Leave damage control to the ones in charge NN.

>>10468840
Welcome to 4chan.

>>10468498
>Promote with big fancy arcade pictures, in reality it's a party tent with an arcade cabinet
>Promote with Japanese street food, only have a stand with french fries
>Promote with 9000m2 of wooded area, it's actually a grass field
>Promote having a huge market, turns out to be 13 dealers total
>Say tickets are almost sold out for weeks, yet not even a quarter has been sold. Probably gave away too many away for free as usual and counted those as sold.
>Advertise a paid shuttle bus service, still requires a 10 minute walk from the stop
At least covid hasn't changed Tomo from their usual trashy behaviour.

>>10469773
Ha!

Facts fall edition in belgium will be held

Please come and hold me also :-(

>>10469773
I get your point but you're a bit too harsh
Let me add the eased circumstances:
>Promote with big fancy arcade pictures, in reality it's a party tent with an arcade cabinet

It was more than one cabinet, altho they weren't "real" cabinets, more self-built ones with aliexpress parts.

>Promote with Japanese street food, only have a stand with french fries.
They did have gyoza, kara-age and takoyaki, but apart from the takoyaki most of it sold out quickly. Basically bad inventory management.

>Promote with 9000m2 of wooded area, it's actually a grass field.
It had woods around them so it's technically "wooded"
I heard they had to do literally everything outside because then the coronavirus doesn't spread that easily.
So big open space with nothing in it. No wonder the safety region approved it!

>Say tickets are almost sold out for weeks, yet not even a quarter has been sold. Probably gave away too many away for free as usual and counted those as sold.

Some timeslots were sold out but definitely not everything. Afaik not a single ticket has been given away for free. It wouldn't make sense economically since you can't have a lot of visitors in the first place due to the coronavirus measures.

>Advertise a paid shuttle bus service, still requires a 10 minute walk from the stop
Yeah of course! The entrance was 200 meters up a bicycle lane! How would you park a bus there?!

>>10469816
dokomi in germany will be held as well

seems like cons might slowly come back

>>10473756
Seems there will also be a digikomi 2.0 in the same weekend. If you are looking for discounted tickets, in the facebook event there are quite some people selling their tickets for dokomi.

>>10469873
Don't get why you're defending them when all this boils down to is that they still fucked up, just in different ways.

>>10474314
because he is obviously one of them, I recognize the writing style, also the reddit spacing

>>10468498
big sad

>>10474265
apparently ticket data can be changed until tuesday.

I'm curious what they will do with digikomi during dokomi. that seems like an interesting concept if they execute it well.

>>10474730

Uhh, well, he is pretty much spot on.
The place was shit, but at least it was kind of the very first "event" in/after corona time.
Right now, conventions cannot be held, so you either got that, or nothing.

>>10468498

Would like to see you do it better.
No animecon, no abunaicon, no nishicon...
However trashy you make it look it, they at least did it, compared to the oh so beloved other conventions, who cannot.

>>10476800
Make that for >>10469773

>>10474314
Not defending at all. it was shit, not denying that, but if you're bitching about tomo, at least bitch about the truth and don't make up shit.

>>10476750
Yes, me too. I haven't attended the first digikomi edition.

I rather enjoyed the digikomi twitch stream the first time around. Didn't watch everything, but it definitely gave me happy con vibes and it looked good!
Pity it was almost 100% German though.

>>10476800
In case you hadn't noticed, there was an event ban in place and no clear indication on when the ban would be lifted. The big three you just mentioned require months of preparations by volunteers to pull off. It's pretty much impossible, nonsensical and extremely demotivating to keep moving the date around hoping one of these days you can finally have your event. Skipping 2020 is only logical for these large events that put quality first.

The main problem here is Tomo going for false advertising. This isn't anything new to them as they have been doing for years. Covid or not, there is no making that scummy behaviour right.

>>10476857
I'll check out the stream again and also the new meetup world. Anyon wanna have a seagul metup there? I miss talking to people in a convention atmosphere

>>10476800
>However trashy you make it look it, they at least did it, compared to the oh so beloved other conventions, who cannot.
Ahoy, Broodfabriek, Veldhoven, Jaarbeurs, huge and expensive locations normally with a limited amount of options for dates, Covid threw a nice spanner in the works by making these options even more limited once the quarantine measure are lifted. You could gamble on the last months of this year like DCC does, but if they fail to generate enough money than they are in knee deep financial troubles. Easyfairs who are in even stormier waters is not helping them because they are just nice guys. They have invested money in DCC, Return of investment within a certain amount of time.

Maybe with the exception of Nishicon, but all the other larger cons need a certain minimum amount of time to organize, and most of that is still done with volunteers who also life under pressure at the moment because of this pandemic.

>>10476861

Alright, I can respect that.
However, keep in mind that Tomo has a "fair" upcoming, which is basically a "market", and can handle a good amount of people.
Why is Abunai or Animecon or Nishicon not planning such a fair, sure, even Tomo needs to plan this in advance, but I wonder how come Tomo is able to, but the others not ?
Says more about the experience and expertise when it comes to organizing, over the others.
Sure, I agree Tomo is not exactly the best quality over those other conventions, even the price makes it pretty obvious, but at least they are trying to run a convention, even in corona time.

Either way, hope next year the corona bullshit will be less then it currently is.

>>10476876

Then they shouldn't kick out staff members that actually did a good job, or push staff away that actually did had motivation to organise it in a orderly time frame. I mean, why the fuck are they still using this vintage karaoke Soramimi, which has been already superseeded by both Performous and Ashgard sings... ? I don't understand why Abunai is keeping this out-dated karaoke setup, when there are so much better options. (I know why, cause one of the staff members is forcing Abunai to use it over the better ones)

>>10476861
What part was false? In advertising you're allowed to over-exaggerate certain things and make them look better than they actually are. Tomo does that, just like the food industry.
For example, milka chocolate where they present a picture of two ladies in the mountains hand-mixing the chocolate in a wooden barrel with big wooden spoons, while in reality, it's just mixed automatically in a steel bin in a factory...

I really don't see the difference here...

>>10477182
Would be interesting if they would sell the chocolate milk inclusive with the ladies... :D

>>10477180
The others simply aren't interested in organising a fair/market. Also it's way more work to organise a traditional convention than to a fair. No surprises there.

>>10476864
Oh right they have a digital space now. Sad I gotta work AFK that weekend, hope it goes well because it seems like it should work well. Wanted to check it out.

>>10477206
You have no idea how much work it is.
Still even with corona in mind, it needs still a shit ton of work, including making sure people follow a certain way, and such.
I guess this is already too much work for the other conventions.

>>10477237
I once volunteered for them
They start at midnight building the fair and run the event immediately after
People with children always tell me that I don't know what being tired is since I don't have any but I think I know really well what tired is from this one experience

I do not have the energy to do that
still great respect for those who do have the persistence and will to keep doing that over and over again

>>10477181


Because the board members and older staff members are Autistic AF and do not like changes, they pretty much suffer from superiority complex. Suggest some changes? BLASPHEMY!

>>10477237
>You have no idea how much work it is.
I find the Eurovision Song Contest a good example of an event during Corona time, they are planning four scenarios at the moment. Four times the planning, four times calculating a financial picture and still not knowing until very late which scenario you can use!

I can imagine that the bigger con's are doing the same, at least two versions, a normal one and one with quarantine rules in place. the one with a limited amount of visitors at the site, a limited amount of visitors also mean less income, less events but still what are the costs and will it break even or do you take some loses.

>>10477181
>Then they shouldn't kick out staff members that actually did a good job, or push staff away that actually did had motivation to organise it in a orderly time frame.

I heard this so often but they only one of who I know was kicked out of animecon was with good reason, because if this was a company than this would have been fired because of disturbed work relation that made this person impossible to function. And that is putting it mildly.

>>10477613

> I can imagine that the bigger con's are doing the same, at least two versions, a normal one and one with quarantine rules in place. the one with a limited amount of visitors at the site, a limited amount of visitors also mean less income, less events but still what are the costs and will it break even or do you take some loses.

Uhh, Abunai and such are already taking a risk with playing anime's and such without the correct licenses, so that kind of does not make any sense.
With corona time, you could better prepare late then early, cause it would change with every month.

> I heard this so often but they only one of who I know was kicked out of animecon was with good reason, because if this was a company than this would have been fired because of disturbed work relation that made this person impossible to function. And that is putting it mildly.

No idea who or what you are talking about, but if the response is like "you're being too much in our face" which in fact was meant as "you are being too fast and good, we cannot fall with that speed, let's kick you out" kind of attitude.
If someone does not do it's work correctly, then OBVIOUSLY you get kicked out, but that does not make any sense when a person is getting kicked out because he does it too good...
When you have a team of 2 people, when one person does everything and tries to get the other to do it's work, and does not listen or communicate, and eventually complaints about you with any negative things, forgetting all the positive things, and you get "fired" for that, does that seem right to you ?
This is how Abunai operates, they kick out the people who undermine their authority by doing their work correct, and fast.
That is how it is, not as how you are depicting it.

Then I haven't even started out with the fact that a staff member got off the hook by being violent to a guest, and guest was kicked off, staff member is still there.... Really now..

Why don´t you start your own convention because you seem to know a lot on things that other are doing wrong.

>>10477181
>vintage karaoke Soramimi
What's wrong with soramimi and what makes other karaoke booths better then? They're mostly the same in my opinion. You request a song, get so sing your requested song in maybe an hour depending on the queue and listen to some other tonedeaf weebs.

>>10477631
Ah the usual "I have nothing more to say, so let's write something completely out of the context to make a point" response... Have fun with your life :)

>>10477657
What is wrong with Soramimi ?
Pretty much everything that recent apps and systems replace it.
They are not the same, Soramimi has minimum new songs applied, not to mention that it MUST be all Asian, and nothing else (...right), also the karaoke software has limitation. Trust me, I have worked with it and timed songs for it.

>>10477657
Just so you know, not even the original software developer of Soramimi, had no idea that Abunai was still using it, and pretty much does not support anything for it anymore, he doesn't even have the source code of it anymore... Can you imagen...

>>10477690
>>10477692
I still don't see the problem. As long as visitors can still enjoy singing their favourite weeb songs and destroy everyones eardrums without problem then it's fine right? While I do love de kabouterdans, it's not a dealbreaker for me. It's an anime convention so it makes sense that the songs are all anime- and Japan-related.

>>10477703
> I still don't see the problem.
People seems to notice the difference between Soramimi and Performous, so it does seem to become a problem, when people notice how inferior Soramimi is....

> As long as visitors can still enjoy singing their favourite weeb songs and destroy everyones eardrums without problem then it's fine right?

Reminds me of that meme of the dog where everything is on fire, but it's fiiiiiine....

> While I do love de kabouterdans, it's not a dealbreaker for me.

That is exactly the thing, it isn't for YOU, but you are not the overall guest. Not that I don't mind someones opinion, but it is just not a good example for the overall guests.

> It's an anime convention so it makes sense that the songs are all anime- and Japan-related.

That's fine but some variation would not be such a bad idea...

>>10477705
The avarage visitor doesn't notice. Most of them are just 14 year olds singing my hero academia opening theme or some shit like that. Who cares if their code is terrible and out dated. It's not professional but whe're talking about an amateur karaoke booth at a cosplay convention. It only has one job: make people sing karaoke. Nothing is on fire, nothing horrible is happening except for the people singing, it's just karaoke.

>>10477709
Your vision of how it is, is pretty outdated,
Yes, there are a lot of youngsters, but also a lot of older people are singing, and they notice it very easy when the karaoke software feels lackluster. Oh yeah, and the setup of the karaoke room is also feeling pretty lackluster compared to the other conventions. So yes, Soramimi's karaoke feels pretty outdated and less interesting, and you know why? When people are asking "when will the good Karaoke setup be placed here?", it is pretty obvious.
Either way, you make it sound like Karaoke is just a simple beamer screen, a few speakers and mics, and nothing more. Sadly for you, this is not good enough anymore at this time, but I guess you are naive to think otherwise.

It's just karaoke ? You mean it's just press play on a damn CDJ and do not mix anything... Sigh... Karaoke needs a pep-up, but you seem not to want to see that. oh well... Have fun...

>>10477709

Here, a example of Soramimi vs Performous.
Well, technically just Abunai (since Soramimi is nowhere used other then there...) vs a random Performous image found on google.

Have fun.

Keep up the salt "totally anonymous" person.

>>10477730
He's not who you think he is.

>>10477730
Àhhh did I rub too much salt in your wound?
Dude, go cry in a corner if you cannot accept a pretty obvious truth.

>>10477734
Judging from what I've read from your talks and with the other anon(s) it's time you take a long overdue reality check. The obvious truth is that visitors genuinely don't care about who handles the karaoke. Visitors also don't care about who organised a convention, what effort all the volunteers put in or who hosts any of the events. Shit could go terribly wrong behind the scenes and even then visitors often won't care even if they noticed. But you know what visitors do care for? Having a great time at an event and making fun memories together.

In this scene you're not special for doing anything. There will always be those who dislike you for your work, for who you are, or for what stunts you have pulled in the past. You will never be the best either and that's fine. Because the way I see it, you're putting in all your effort not just for yourself but for the visitors. To allow them to experience the same excitement and magic you once did as a younger weeb and (hopefully) should still do to this very day. That is the only validation one should seek in a non-profit environment like the Dutch anime convention scene. Not the approval from some semi-anonymous assholes on the internet, but the visitors. Add in some personal growth in the form of picking up new skills, traits or friends and you've got a perfectly healthy thing going on.

If you find you're no longer getting the validation you require, it might be time to take a break or stop for the sake of your own sanity. Just close your eyes, take a deep breath, take a step back and look at the greater picture. Ask yourself why you care so much, what is holding you back, if it all even matters and what changes you can make to be feel content by what you do. Don't all these angry posts seem silly now? Life is more than just conventions, live it.

>>10477918
> Judging from what I've read from your talks and with the other anon(s) it's time you take a long overdue reality check.

No shit sherlock, but I wonder, why you all have to bitch then at Tomo where most of the people don't care about the bitching and moaning you guys start, and when it's being thrown at Abunai and Animecon, you all go into a defensive convulsion. It's pretty naive also how you say one thing, when it's pretty much bullshit.

> In this scene you're not special for doing anything.
When a conventions do the same, year after year, and people claim it takes a lot of time to prepare a convention, it is kind of mind-blowing that you need that much time for doing the same for years. It's also funny how you state that the customer doesn't care about quality, but that is exactly what happens on Tomo, it is not quality, but people still have fun. Contradicting there...

All by all, you kind of make it sound like "life is just a game", and yes, it is, but does that mean staff members of conventions should stab you in the back, kick you out of the team, just because you want to give quality ? Rather awkard isn't it...

>>10477922
So my guess is that you are a former Red Shirt at animecon. Or better said The former Red Shirt.

>>10477926
I am known around the world, and no, I rather kill myself then being a staff member at animecon...
Sure, I was staff at a few conventions, but you learn a lot of how these conventions work in the inside. It's pretty funny how people think to know how it's organised, when they actually don't know shit about it.

>>10477181

Yeah, Soramimi is outdated which makes it impressive they can deliver quality.

As for the others, Asgard Sinds is definitely the better of the two... the guy who runs Performous has been bashing other parties on more than one occasion; in fact, I heard it even was his sales pitch for Performous..

>>10477180
Every year Tomo organises many markets and it is the same in terms of structure. So they are trained to put up such small events in a short amount of time making it routine. They don't even have the need of promoting it much, since most people know that the markets are coming since it is cheap. It is not the same for those conventions who are focused on big festivals where the market is a small addition. And to not step on the toes of Tomo, I think it is smart of the conventions to focus on the big events (Animecon even has two events planned) instead of the smaller events with all those extra rules added due to covid. It is a headache. And who wants to have 10 Japan related markets?

>>10477930
>the guy who runs Performous has been bashing other parties on more than one occasion
Asgard does the same. they all find themselves better than others.

>>10477930
> the guy who runs Performous has been bashing other parties on more than one occasion
Yeah he did, I've had discussions with him often, but he has valid points though. Right now, he really doesn't give a fuck anymore anyhow, because one, he already made his point known, but sadly people still don't want to accept these factual things. and the other is that he is leaving the Netherlands anyway, because fuck this country :)

At least, he has opensourced his software, compared to Soramimi that will always be a out dated piece of code.

Oh, btw, Ashgard Sings is using the same software, so I have no idea why you think his is better, probably just because you hate "the guy".

>>10477931
You're missing the point, that these bigger conventions (animecon, abunai) has always got the same routine year after year. Do you see anything "different" from each other, other then the "thema"? I don't.. So no, I'm not actually agreeing with your point you're trying to make, because it doesn't make any sense if you know what I mean.

>>10477935
Yeah, I missed the whole conversation.

>>10477933
>he is leaving the Netherlands anyway, because fuck this country :)
Smart decision

>>10477922
>No shit sherlock, but I wonder, why you all have to bitch then at Tomo where most of the people don't care about the bitching and moaning you guys start, and when it's being thrown at Abunai and Animecon, you all go into a defensive convulsion.
/cgl/ isn't a collective hivemind. Every event gets shit from people here and has at least one person lurking here. Some of those people you simply more defensive than others. Don't believe me? Just look up threads from after each major con. The only difference is Tomo having more events a year so of course they're going to get "more" shit.

>It's pretty naive also how you say one thing, when it's pretty much bullshit.
What is?

>When a conventions do the same, year after year, and people claim it takes a lot of time to prepare a convention, it is kind of mind-blowing that you need that much time for doing the same for years.
Even when most appears the same, behind the scenes things are always changing. Workloads don't magically decrease and there's way more to organising a convention than just arranging content. And while most work gets done in the final 3 to 4 months, the process typically starts 9 to 12 months in advance.

>It's also funny how you state that the customer doesn't care about quality, but that is exactly what happens on Tomo, it is not quality, but people still have fun. Contradicting there...
I'm saying they care mostly about having fun and making memories and how the people behind the scenes don't matter to them. That doesn't mean you shouldn't aim to improve things for the sake of your event and more importantly, yourself.

>All by all, you kind of make it sound like "life is just a game", and yes, it is, but does that mean staff members of conventions should stab you in the back, kick you out of the team, just because you want to give quality ? Rather awkard isn't it.
Mate I have no idea who hurt you but just let it rest already. Give it a place and move on instead of holding onto some grudge.

>>10477935
>bigger conventions (animecon, abunai) has always got the same routine year after year.
True but Tomo has it better arranged with that routine.

>>10477716
>>Have fun.
okay

>>10477962
Very nice paint job. Did you do this on Windows XP? ;)

Saw some people dressed up at Utrecht centraal last saturday and I almost forgot that Elfia was still a thing since almost every event got cancelled.
Has anyone been to Elfia this weekend? Anything interesting to report?

the tea is spilling and it's super salty

>>10478087
Time to switch up to a different tea.

>>10478094
By meme bombing? How childish

>>10478094
if (false === parser::canContinueDiscussion) {
return memes::randomStupidResponse;
}

Looks like dokomi sunday tickets are still available. I've never been to a German con, is it worth visiting? I want to visit a con but I still have some standards.

>>10478343
>>10478365
But we are on 4chan. What else can you expect? Serious and constructed conversations? Talking about stupid responses...

>>10478365
thank you, thank you, my pleasure

>>10478374
I think you got it all wrong here.
The stupid responses are more in the view of you people that don't want a constructive discussion.
That's all fine and dandy, but don't be retarded about it, when someone actually LIKES to do a constructive discussion.
Even when the responses are plainly wrong, and deceptive, that doesn't mean people are not allowed to have proper criticism.

That you want to respond with a completely out of context, retarded meme's, is fine to be honest, but don't try to be the smart-ass and prevent people from having a proper discussion.
But I guess, you are just another kid around the block.

>>10478382
chill. not even the same person.

>>10478365
What a big brain response

>>10478386
"You have not enough IQ points to understand this string, please try again later..."

>>10478385
Doesn't matter if it isn't the same person.
This was more a response globally, but I guess that flew over the head of most people, so I'm guessing.

>>10478391
What you could do next time is to ignore the memers and continue the discussion.

>>10478392
The response to the memers was just a observation, and, hopefully, a hint that it is quiet a non-response, but I guess this 4chan, and nobody gives a fuck . Oh yeah, you could also ignore my response, if this hurts your feels.

>>10478393
boohoo :(

>>10478415

TomoFair is last minute moved from Nijmegen to Oss.

>>10478513
On the same goddamn cold ass hill as TinyTomo as well. Im so extremely entertained. Cant wait till people find out you have to walk like 10 minutes from the shuttle bus to the terrain as well

>>10478515
Rain is expected the entire weekind and maybe thunder on sunday morning. Best moment to be on a muddy hill

beetje dood he

twitch channel of dokomi got banned after they showed a hentai manga ad

>>10479652
can't have lasted lon, they were streaming on dokomitv just yesterday

why are all dutch 10Kcosplayers trying to start onlyfans now and going topless to get more fame
Kinda sad?

>>10482711
recently came across one of them naked on reddit , but ''cosplay'' amirite

>>10482879
Is it kimu cosplay? I know she’s always thirsty for attention lmao

>>10482884
No. I know she's thirsty but I don't think/hope she would go fully naked (unless i missed something.) This girl had nothing but a wig on, unfortunately.

>>10482711
hilarious! bitches ruining their lives cause they don't know how social media and the internet works for a few bucks.

>>10482711

The three ways to get the big likes/followers is:
- Skills, talent and knowing how to network ( also beyond the Benelux ). Social skills is a plus.
- Buy bot followers like that cosplayer 'model' for the number one dutch weeb clothing brand.
- Sell your body to compensatie everything you lack.

The rest is just keeping it low effort for fun or smart enough to have ditched the scene before going full Onlyfans.

>>10483127
Isn't that the epitome of being a leech ?

Facts is cancelled

So ronery

>>10484228
Ouch, that´s gotta hurt for Easyfairs!

>>10484774
From what I've heard FACTS was allowed to take place but pulled the plug themselves. Too many foreign visitors, guests and dealers who wouldn't be able to visit.

DCC is definitely getting cancelled as well, they just don't want to call it yet. Currently the Jaarbeurs Utrecht is only allowed to open for cultural events, with a hard limit of 250 people. I'm really not expecting measures to be scaled down any time soon. (Source: https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2020/10/01/willekeur-coronamaatregelen-irriteert-evenementenbranche-a4014341 )

>>10484774
bancrupcy all over the place...

>>10482884
I bet it's that Multifluff girl.

>>10485997
It's not

>>10486020
Are you sure?

>>10485997
>>10486753
its adia. she has her own subreddit where she posts them

>>10488353
Meh, she uses too much babyoil and I don't like her nipples

>>10488353
Yikes her tits still looks like shit even after a boobjob

Gelukkig kunnen we weer corona halen by Tomocon, want "het is een markt en essentieel voor de levensbehoeften."

>>10491026
Is this about that facebook post from today?

>>10491026
Where do they even say this?

>>10491513

there was a lot of discussion on the tomo zwolle event but they deleted the comments.

but that announcer guy from animecon made a post about it with some screenshots on facebook

>>10491026
>>10491240
>>10491591
Not that anon, but Tomo actively trying to avoid Covid measures has been going on for some time now. Early October it got announced/leaked they now officially identify as a market ("warenmarkt") rather then an event. Their reasoning is that events get banned due to Covid regulations while markets don’t, thus Tomofair Zwolle can take place no matter what the world situation would be like.

The second wave is going strong with a mild lockdown currently in effect. Hospitals are forced to drop regular care yet again, non-essential travel is strongly advised against, the horeca is taking another bullet to the head, all events are banned, the cultural sector on the brink of collapsing... all this so we together can keep our heads above water during this global once in a hundred year event.

I don’t mind Tomo doing events with the proper precautions, but considering the state we're in and how they’re now actively trying to bypass regulations all I can say is fuck you. And for *that guy* to have the guts to play the victim card in this, get real! But hey, what do we know? In their disillusion eyes we're probably all just jelly for not hosting our own market during a fucking lockdown <:•)

>>10491606
I appreciate they try to do anything within the rules to help the dealers who are hit by this lockdown as well. is it responsible? absolutely not! but I always try to be reasonable and view it from multiple angles.

>>10492474
Sure, let's try to help the dealers by exposing them to a pandemic.

>>10492476
Sigh... Nuance is non-existent on the internet.

>>10492476
are you mentally retarded? many of them have no income at all since months and for many months to come. Of course they are happy for any chance to get some kind income again.

But a jobles loser living in their parents bedroom wouldn't understand what that means.

Adult people do adult decisions. It's not just black and white you imbecile.

>>10492561
Keep playing that victim card, it does not change the fact that Tomofair is a non essential venue. That Tomo is an organisation that has a long history of taking rules and regulations not that serious or disregard them completely.

As for retarded and an imbecile, I leave that name calling to you.

>>10492561
What's wrong with you?

Dutch Comic Con has been postponed until next year on June 19-20

>>10493407
No surprise there right? I wonder if we'll see enough changes the coming months to make events possible again by that point.
Probably not.

Everyone is probably in the discord now but anyone feel like sharing some recent crafts?
I for one could use some motivation looking at cool stuff people manage to make despite all the nonsense going on.

>>10493407
It always was a matter of when not if it would be postponed with the venue limits and current climate. Also on a positive sidenote, despite being allowed to HDCC decided not to push ticket refunds forward to after the new date. Really wasn't expecting that.

>>10492578
Not a single market can be considered an "essential venue" since there's supermarkets everywhere.
To be honest from what I've seen from tiny tomo, I think tomofair's probably more corona proof than most markets in Amsterdam/The Hague/Rotterdam

>>10495277
Markets are still being held by spacing market stalls wide apart and only allow the sales of fresh produce, fish, meat, cheese, prepared foods, flowers and plants.

Essentials! Get it?

>>10492474
The dealer stands are still as expensive as ever, and there's a sad amount of people going to their events in comparison to pre-covid. It's a waste of time and money for the dealers, the only winner in that transaction is Tomo. Why do you think there were barely any dealers during their "corona-proof" events?

>>10495510
Tomo is an ANBI (Algemeen Nut Beogende Instellingen) they are literally unable to make any money.
Who does make money are the dealers.

>>10495764
An ANBI may not make a profit with all of its activities that serve the public interest. An ANBI however is allowed to make a profit from commercial fundraising activities. The condition is that the profit benefits the main activities of your ANBI.

Yes you are even allowed to have paid employees as long as they are paid from those commercial fundraising activities.

This is a very slippery slope that Tomo is treading, Tomofair is only a commercial fundraising activity, that is why the other organisations are plain and simple not an ANBI organisations.

>>10495764
I can't find them on the ANBI list. And if they have that status, they need to publicize their financial information. Which they'll never will.

>>10495841
>they need to publicize their financial information. Which they'll never will.
The Tax Office has the last word on that. Even an ANBI organisation won´t escape from the clutches of the Tax Office. For good reasons.

So TomoFair Noord: Zwolle has been cancelled by Tomo.
They are refunding everyone the full amount! (even the exhibitors)

So at least their cancellation policy is way better than DCC.

>>10496894
Now there's a surprise.

>>10496894
Stroking your ego already Brian?

>>10496894
You mean ordered to cancel. There is no way they would bow to peer-pressure and the anime-community.

>>10496912
As one of their volunteers I can confirm that they cancelled it due to the amount of pressure they received.

This was a missed opportunity to do the right thing and pull the plug on the this whole debacle before their intended public called out with voices of disagreement.

And that would have given a more positive image instead of censoring and blocking those voices. Nowhere did I get the impression that Tomo actually gives a fuck about opinions other than those uttered by bootlickers and was quite willing to once again to walk on the edge and willing to stretch and bend the rules.

>>10497184
Tomo's facebook gas been flooded with "opinions" (read hate speech) since their beginning. It was only a matter of time until they start banning ppl which is completely understandable. That you'll also filter out some legit criticism is a pity, but again understandable.

>>10497193
>(read hate speech)
How can that be?

Such an loving and caring organisation, not like the others who are just in it for the money.

>>10497219
But why would they need to be flooded with hate speech? Why not just ignore them?
All the hate speech tells me more about the toxic community then the organization being targeted.

>>10497253
just a few loud toxic people =/= community

>>10495764
Have you never heard of Red Dot Commerce? They're directly connected to the Tomo organizers, and they're always the biggest vendors on their own conventions. Anyone thinking the Tomo organization is doing these conventions for the dealers "out of the kindness of their hearts" is laughable.

>>10497304
And still they cancel a market out of peer pressure which will cost them at least 18k. Makes sense.

>>10497325
>And still they cancel a market out of peer pressure which will cost them at least 18k. Makes sense.
So this will be the end for Tomofair?

>>10497325
>peer pressure
It's unlikely they were going to be allowed to hold the con at all now that the corona situation is worsening, on top of them getting negative feedback on the previous 2 "cons", and deleting and blocking any negative responses on social media. They knew the risks well in advance, and are now using this cancellation to pretend they're (finally) listening to the community. They have nobody else to blame but themselves.

>>10497347
And that justifies mass harassment?
How low people have sunken is beyond comprehension.

>>10497378
>And that justifies mass harassment?

And blocking people for negative feedback and deleting their messages is not harassment?

I saw someone cheerfully claiming that he was finally on the Tomo-ban list, when asked why. Because he answered a question, is Tomo deleting message and his simple answer with a single word and that word was yes! And for that he was banned. So much for harassment from him.

>How low people have sunken is beyond comprehension.

Speak for yourself Tomo.

>>10497396
Great to know that you think dodgy and questionable, but legal practices are a justification for threatening volunteers (illegal) and mass harassment (illegal)
In that case you guys have sunken below their level.

>>10497408
Poor sod!

>>10497378
It doesn't justify mass harassment. It does justify customers being very upset. Tomo already barely delivered on their convention promises pre-corona, and the past few "corona-proof cons" brought out their worst. Blocking your own customers when they want clarification is the most ass-backwards thing you could do from a company perspective.

But they'll probably continue operating and continue raking in money anyway. Most of their convention goers are clueless to these kind of things and just want to go to a cheap/free entry con, and clueless vendors will continue to pay the same stand price as they do for bigger cons with way higher visitor numbers/bigger operating costs.

>>10497408
At least you're admitting they're dodgy. I'm sad for the volounteers though, they probably aren't told everything.

Tomo says they are losing 18k on the cancellation of this Tomofair.

>>10497599
Sucks for them and the whopping 36 people who were going.

>>10497599
That's tough, but they probably can get part of that back from the government, if they jump through enough loop holes. I wonder if they would try to get it from the people that pressured them into it?

>>10497691
>but they probably can get part of that back from the government
Maybe, but that comes with conditions.

>>10497599
so rip tomo, another event down. Animecon first, not it's tomo. Are any dutch anime event's left after corona? Or are they all broke and gone after next year?

>>10497753
Only if they file for bankruptcy, which is required if your debt is due for payment but you no longer have the means to pay.

Until then everyone´s favorite event is still up and running. Only Tomo is spouting some financial figures where the others wisely keep their mouths shut!

I can't tell if there's someone actually from Tomo management posting here, or if it's just a volunteer unable to fathom Tomo would ever do anything wrong.

>>10497925
Tomo can do stuff wrong, but every time they do the reactions are as if they comitted a terrorist attack.

At the same time, animecon is being followed like Apple. The can't do anything wrong. If Apple makes a design flaw in the iPhone, they simply say "you're holding it wrong" and all the iSheep believe it immediately without a doubt.
If animecon fucked up everyone is like "welp, that happened, but they're doing their best. We understand Can't blame them."

When tomo fucks up it's "your the devil!! Die!! Followed by the biggest tsunami of hate in the history of the internet."

And I don't think that's fair.
The most astonishing thing is that even staff members of animecon and nishicon join the shouting matchm you know, people you would've expected to act more mature. But a single tomo fuckup shows their true nature. Even if they benefit from tomo in the long run.

>>10497925
You can recognize them by their poor English grammar.

>>10498076
I agree. I was astonished by this community's behavior as well. And even how shit Tomo can be sometimes, they didn't deserve what happened last weekend.

>>10497753
Animecon is still around? Broodfabriek and Theaterhotel are still in planning stages for next year.

>>10498076
Uhm, announcerguy only made a point because of the planning-a-con-during-a-apndemic thing, not because Tomo is shit all around. Other people werent as polite, no, but Acon ppl generally kept their cool afaik.
Its public knowledge that Nishicon crew hates Tomo with a passion because of stunts pulled in the past, so no surprises there.

>>10498111
>Its public knowledge that Nishicon crew hates Tomo with a passion because of stunts pulled in the past, so no surprises there.

tomo tried to make up for that a few times, but apparently they're still deeply butthurt.

Still, it's quite unprofessional of them to act this way.

>>10497717
Nope they wont. As it canceled due to there own accourd it will be fully in there hands . And on there own cost.

>>10498113

> tomo tried to make up for that a few times

Yes, and did the very same thing again afterwards. So Tomo's word is tainted, to say the least.

> Still, it's quite unprofessional of them to act this way.

True, but I don't blaim them after that shit went down twice. Unprofessional: yes. Understandable: yes, that too.

>>10498158
Nishi did a lot of blatant self promotion on tomo's events. So they directly benefit from them.

>>10498158
I could understand nishicon event organiser. But not Abunai and aninecon. They where never at the same moment.

Still the guy from nishicon was allowed on Tomo to do is lectures/events whatever and promote nishicon. Why than this back stabbing. Then just say hey I don't like you guys and want nothing to do with your events

Btw the reason nishicon is dying is not only due to Tomo. But a lot of managing problems. I mean switching in 5 years time or so from time frame. And also it is not the best location. They can not fully sell it out. The location in zoetermeer was on that part better and also it is in the Randstad which made it easier accessible for more people. And most of there fanbase/ fans of nishicon where from around there

>>10498076
It's not one mistake. It's many. Too many. And that is without taking into account that the board will almost never own up to those mistakes as well. That's why they get shit.

>>10497304
One of the boardmembers has his own event management company as well. They're registered under a different name than Tomo. I don't know how many small companies they already started for events, with Gamerooms, some takoyaki stand and this event company. How many more are there?

>>10498188
Again. Does that justify the mass harassment and threats?

In amsterdam they regularly hold a "sushi fest" it's a huge shitshow every time, and every time they get a flood of hate on Facebook. And they simply ignore them and block everything. Why? Well people come anyway, so why bother?

I know this is a commercial party and not a non profit one, but I can see Tomo going in the same direction if this community keeps acting this way.

So maybe it's better to tone it down a bit? Cause you can do more harm than good in the long run.

>>10498198

>>10498262
Translation: we agree but don't want to admit it so we start trolling with bad memes as always.

>>10498198
The event wasnt a reason for harrasment.

The organisers bashing people with their personal accounts is. Thats not the way to talk with your audience, even more after THEY made a huge ass mistake

>>10498473
Bashing or trying to explain the situation?

>>10498473
I think the community was more bashing. Swering and called out for violence than the 2 only people i saw reacting which where/are part of tomo.

Btw why was this outcry not there with elfia/castlefest.....

To be frank, Tomo allowed the situation to escalate out of control by how they handled everything. It started by proudly announcing how they had found a loophole in the government regulations that would allow their event to take place no matter what. It doesn’t take much to see how this could make you look like a dick who doesn’t care about the ongoing health crisis. Had they had simply gone with “this edition will strictly be a market and thus will adhere to the corresponding COVID regulations” the message would have had a completely different tone. But alas, they didn’t which put them at a significant disadvantage in what was to come.

Ignoring the first few concerns raised before announcing the event to the general public I can understand. There weren’t a lot and no real reason to address them at this point. However, it’s a clear sign that there’s likely more to come and how you should prepare yourself accordingly. Then, the event itself got announced to the public and as one would expect, shit hit the fan. It’s no surprise people don’t take kind to pushing a non-essential market in the midst of a lockdown, especially not with the using a loophole part. And instead of immediately addressing these concerns to put them to rest and seize control over the situation, Tomo decided to silence everyone which only added fuel to the fire.

Next, the situation blew up even more after “a large name” in the community made a public post about all of this. Not only did this spread awareness about the situation, but it also led to direct reactions of a Tomo crewmember who only made things FAR worse in the process. Downtalking these concerns to being mere “gezanik” (whining), flat out admitting all these posts get deleted without reading and how the higher-ups don’t even get to see them, playing the victim in all of this with wacky theories on how everyone has it in against Tomo... People already felt unheard, but now they felt unheard and not taken seriously at all.

(cont)

>>10498526
By now Tomo should had at least tried to take control over the situation, but instead they continued doing nothing but silence people hoping things would just magically stop. Several days went past and by the time Tomo FINALLY posted their video on the safety measures they would be taking, which mind you was the first actual response to all the outcry so far, it was already too late. Their reputation was tarnished, Tomo memes were everywhere, lots of random people had jumped onto the bandwagon because it’s this week’s cool thing to do, and ticket sales were going horribly if the event page is anything to go by. Cancellation was inevitable at this point, and even then, it was decided to throw in a passive aggressive remark shifting blame to the community because “we didn’t do nothing wrong”. No attempt whatsoever to redeem yourself nor to fix your reputation. Also publicly patting yourself on your back on how well you handle refunds? Christ, what great way of making it look like you truly believe none of this was their own fault.

There’s a Dutch saying which goes “je eigen glazen ingooien” (throwing in your own windows) and it fits perfectly here. And even now, we’re seeing some of their crew members making questionable posts and pointing their fingers towards the community. The chaos Tomo caused themselves by how they handled things truly was something to enjoy.

With all of that said, I definitely do not condone the threats made towards Tomo’s people. It’s one thing to attack the event and the choices they as an event made, but going after the individuals is when things are taken too far. Threatening with violence, wild accusations about paedophilia and being anti-LGBT just to cancel the people behind the event, it’s disgusting! Nobody deserves that shit, especially not for what is essentially a hobby. And yes, I whine too. But I whine to see improvements, not to see the end of whatever I don’t like. I sincerely wish you guys the best in all this.

>>10498526
>Next, the situation blew up even more after “a large name” in the community made a public post about all of this.

But this guy refused to call the security region, or try to handle things internally.
He just kept fanning the fire claiming it to be "spreading awareness" which was very, very unprofessional.

And lots of people were overreacting a bit. It's not that the continuation of the human race depends on cancelling a market with 600 attendants, when that same thing is happening every week in Amsterdam.

But I do agree that tomo's announcement of the continuation was a huge disaster, yet that still doesn't justify the behavior of the community.

>>10498527 I sincerely wish you guys the best in all this.

Thank you for this once to hear. As my friends are part of the Tomo Team. And I do not like the reactions on the event but I could understand the outcry of the community.

But I could not understand the personal attacks on my friends. I have seen in private chats . Other groups and so on.
That they needed to set thing on private or delete there account . It just went that far. Even some dead threats.

>>10498563
>yet that still doesn't justify the behavior of the community.

Keep in mind that the people harassing and meme'ing about the whole situation don't represent the entire community. I've seen multiple posts throughout this whole fiasco that were supportive to Stichting Tomo and/or even stood up for Tomo.
Most people that posted on Tomo's social media weren't there to harass but were having genuine doubts about this event and the well-being of it's visitors and others.
Tomo did answer a few of these people but most of the people that were genuinly just typing out their doubts were getting blocked anyway.
The fact that Tomo announced the continuation of this event does justify this behavior.

However what it didn't justify were the allegations, harassing comments and boycots.
BUT this is not the majority of the community. This was a small group within the community that either thought it was funny, wanted their moment of fame and/or were just jumping on the bandwagon. This is not the whole community and the fact that you're trying to frame the entire community under this small group is basically the same discussion as calling all muslims terrorist because there exists a small group of muslim extremists.

This is also the reason why a lot of people are still continuing on about this whole situation, the numerous posts of Tomo volunteers that blame everything on "the community" is the reason why the majority (that didn't have anything to do with the harassments) are not taking Tomo seriously anymore. Tomo volunteers are basically saying that expressing doubts is harassment by calling out the entire community. This could've been easily solved if they said something like "the group of people that harassed" instead of putting the blame on the entire community.
This just brings out more hate towards Tomo seeing as how most people don't condemn those horrible actions but are still being called out for it as if they participated in it by leaving a simple comment.

>>10498620
I doubt the volunteers saying the whole community is harassing Tomo are empathetic enough to realize this is doing more harm than good. It's too late now, anyway.

Previously I didn't care much for "Con drama" between organizations or volunteers or whatnot, but it's a fact that Tomo is trying to organize these conventions that clearly do not live up to their promises, especially in a lockdown time like this. I personally won't be supporting them anymore. I hope more people will do the same, and think about what kind of organization they truly want to support (even though Tomo hands out free tickets like it's nothing anyway) instead of just complaining online.

>>10498977
>I doubt the volunteers saying the whole community is harassing Tomo are empathetic enough to realize this is doing more harm than good. It's too late now, anyway.


Or not. Blaming the entire group is a psychological technique used to correct naughty children. By punishing the entire group, members of that group will start to correct each other.

Another effect might be that they drive away toxic people from their events and start welcoming normies who don't really care that much, which means they can do their thing in peace.

So viewed from their perspective I only see positive benefits for them in the long run. The fact that this community thinks it's bad basically means we still care too much about tomo.

>>10500246
>Or not. Blaming the entire group is a psychological technique used to correct naughty children. By punishing the entire group, members of that group will start to correct each other.

I think you overestimate the positive behavior of a crowd!

>Another effect might be that they drive away toxic people from their events and start welcoming normies who don't really care that much, which means they can do their thing in peace.

Toxic people thrive on this drama, it is why this turned into a tomo-shitfest which could have been avoided if Tomo had pulled the plug early on and stated that they made error of judgement and they where sorry about, but did not because Tomo..

As for Normies you are rather delusional in thinking that they don´t give shite and let Tomo do their thing as usual. Having a bunch of Gerda´s and their spoiled kids jumping on you because you as Tomo did not meet your promises, normies are usually even worse than the crowd that is somehow used to the antics of Tomo.

>So viewed from their perspective I only see positive benefits for them in the long run. The fact that this community thinks it's bad basically means we still care too much about tomo.

Delusional.

>>10500246
There's customers with actual concerns and complaints getting blocked on social media and you call this being "corrected like naughty children"? Do you think this is a kindergarten class or something?

Tomo is cool because it's cheap and I like the people there

>>10500683
I sometimes feel like that. Especially when seeing friends of mine shouting vulgar stuff on Facebook.

Hey, what are you still doing here? This thread has long hit the bump limit and is already on page 9! How about you get on that bike of yours and join me to the new thread over at >>10501599?

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