/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10350218
Because the old one hasn't technically saged?

>>10350237
it was archived though. so no new posts can be made.

When will my dream dress return from the war?

So what did people think of Tyler's replica video? I had some issues with it.

First, she made it sound like the lolita comm in general is fine with design replicas. There has definitely never been a consensus on this and a huge amount of lolitas don't condone design replicas, so I don't know why she's acting like that.

Second, perpetuating the thought that "lolita is about expensive quality" for everyone. Lolita means different things to different people. For a lot of people, it's about art, creativity, and expression. Cheap stuff like Bodyline can be coorded well and still be valid lolita. I realize that Tyler is all about being a fullset APfag, but that doesn't mean the whole comm is about that.

I definitely lost some respect for her here... she's been in the comm for over a decade, she should know better about these things.

>>10350250
>a huge amount of lolitas don't condone design replicas
Yes because the majority of Lolita’s don’t wear it own multiple pairs of secret shop tea parties...OH WAIT

Oh Christ I continue to read and it gets worse

>>10350250
>perpetuating the thought that "lolita is about expensive quality" for everyone
Yes because quality is essential and if you value cheapness aka “creativity” over quality then you’re an ita and the fact that you are pulling out AP sets as an example of what YOU THINK Tyler is trying to force upon the community...just puts you as the perma ita roleplayer you are.

>>10350250
Because the majority don't care. Replica tea parties are super popular. And don't reply to me angrily calling me a cheap ita. I personally include design replica as trashy, and wear brand shoes.
Including Bodyline as a lolita brand is the dumbest thing you could've written. Even japanese lolitas refer to it as a sex shop. Lolita is a fashion with rules and standards, just like all other hobbies. Your emotional problems and insecurities about being poor/cheap are irrelevant to the fashion

>>10350251
I'm talking about dresses, as she shows in the video.

>>10350258
>>10350259
>this sheer amount of assumptions and projections

How do you gulls deal with giving sellers negative feedback on Lacemarket? A seller recently claimed she couldn’t lower shipping because she was charging me “flat rate” but I’m not an idiot, I know flat rate is less than she charged me. I get that she’s probably just trying to make up Paypal fees but it’s shitty, I would’ve been more understanding if she’d just been honest instead of lying about shipping cost which is easily disproved. I’m nervous about leaving negative feedback for fear of retaliation though.

>>10350268
She likely will retaliate and the mods will change the neg you leave her to a neutral if she whines enough. LM mods are such shit. It's probably not worth the retaliatory neg you will have to carry.

>>10350268
How much more did she charge you? Are you sure she wasn't using a priority flat rat box?

>>10350259
I hate Bodyline rocking horses shoes and whoever recommending it. It’s goddamn replica

>>10350268
You’re probably going to be the one with bad feedback here. Mods will side with the seller if it’s over something so small.

>>10350268
If you’re not ok with the shipping just don’t buy it, kind of a bitch move to complain about that.

>>10350268
was the shipping on the listing? if you bought it and she had the price up, it's your own fault... especially if you bought it and asked her to lower shipping after

>>10350258
t. newfag who doesn't know the history of lolita

>>10350268
You really shouldn't give her negative feedback. If she had the prices listed then it was part of the agreement. If they didn't and a few dollars was this big of an issue to you, you should have contacted her prior to pressing buy.

>>10350268
You agreed to the prices she set, there is no case for negative feedback here unless after you bought it she tried to hit you up for more. Cut your losses and move on like an adult.

>>10350268
If this is the one about the blouse that was 32 dollars plus 12 shipping, fuck you.

>>10350372
I thought that was for my socks, I charged 9

>>10350246
when will my british bear reservation return from the war

So I’m pretty newish, so I might be missing the reason why, but why is nearly everyone coording red with honey cake? Wouldn’t brown be a better choice?

secrets

What big lolita events are worth attending this year in Europe? I am a bit out of the loop. But I saw there's BTSSB in Belgium in May, Street Fashion Europe just announced Halloween themed event in London, Hellocon seems to have Mana as a guest in Finland, and there are quite a many probably smaller tea parties? I haven't worn lolita for a while and I don't have any lolita friends anymore so I'm a bit nervous about going to events.

>>10350388
red and hc is a tried and true combination, imo brown just doesn’t pop as much with such a bright/contrasting print, but I’m sure it works

>>10350388
A lot of sweet lolitas don’t have a ton of brown stuff. I know I don’t. I’m not into chocolate prints, I’d have to coord it with red if I had it

>>10350375
Fuck these flat rate increases and LM not allowing decimals. The amount is $8.40 and a few years ago was $6.80

>>10350271
Are Baby's RHs a knockoff of Vivienne Westwood, then?

>>10350271
VW`s RHS is a replica from traditional Manchurian shoes, so... at least bodyline's is cheap

>>10350259
>Even japanese lolitas refer to it as a sex shop
Rotflmao noob

>>10350268
Why would you just write jer a message about it to clear it up? Retards like this who promptly jump to feedback instead of communicating like a normal human being are the reason I'm not selling on lm or internationally.

>>10350268
Why wouldn't you just write her a message about it to clear it up? Retards like this who promptly jump to feedback instead of communicating like a normal human being are the reason I'm not selling on lm or internationally.

>>10350271
I agree

>>10350393
Where??

>>10350440
Learn something new every day

>>10350258
Stfu and go buy an old lolita bible you capitalist autist. Lolita was never about owning expensive shit, retards like you turned it into that by using the fashion to gain clout and status. Most early lolita was handmade and yes, cheap shit is lolitable. Cry more brand whore

>>10350464

Some of the people originally DIYing lolita items went on to found brands, genius.

I personally mix brand and handmade but even in handmade if your goal is to be cheap you'll probably look pretty ita. If anyone is too capitalist it's you for being so entitled to everything cheaply (including lolita) rather than saving up to get better things.

You don't have to spend an arm and a leg in this fashion or be rich to enjoy it, but if you're obsessed with things being dirt cheap go buy fast fashion and support sweatshop labor and design theft?

Even I'm a poorfag and I get so sick of other poor people treating this fashion like they're entitled to not only wear it but to be praised and asslicked for no other reason than existing because they are self important.

>>10350440
Not really, Manchurian shoes have different sole

>>10350375
Could be. My case I had one of the usual LM scalpers use a secondary account buy a blouse from me after asking me if I would drop it farther to save on shipping because 12 dollars is steep. I live in the other end of the country from this person and even without the flat rate box, it would be roughly 10-14 dollars to ship a blouse. I knew this person was going to try and turn it. I had been trying to rid of it for months. So good luck to them for trying to flip the blouse. They paid the 12 shipping any way.

>>10350469
>support sweatshop labor
daily reminder that buying expensive shit like ap supports sweatshop third world labor too

>to be praised and asslicked for no other reason than existing because they are self important
where did anyone in this thread say any of that?

>>10350473

>>10350440
They’re closer to chopines on the sole, rather than Manchurian shoes, which were worn as overshoes to both protect the more delicate indoor shoes, as well as add height, in places such as Venice.

>>10350464
Wow you sure sound bitter, did your cheap coord get posted in the ita thread or something?

>>10350218
OP, that's not the previous general.
>>10346566

>>10350268
Check the package when you get it. See what it says for the price. Then leave neutral if it's different than what she charged you.

>>10350489
But still, it’s not replica more like vw got inspired from it, unlike Bodyline literally took the whole design and just put on their logo. Baby’s platform has a similar but different design to vw, that’s not replica either

>>10350482

People (especially the anon I replied to) just seem to get so pissed that others pefer brand which is just usually good quality to their handmade stuff that is admittedly focused on being "cheaper" by some and it gets annoying hearing people called brandwhores for not liking their low quality handmade stuff. Handmade can look good (ex: everyone seems to love onlyfrillsandhorses on ig as a great handmade oldschooler who is starting her own brand). The anon whining about ruining lolita with capitalism is really misguided if they think that saying lolita is ideally somewhat about good quality makes anyone a brandwhore.

Also I wear oldschool so I don't really get an opportunity to buy firsthand, and only buy secondhand or make my normie clothes as well as lolita, so I don't directly contribute to whatever brands are doing as far as labor and production but I get your point that brands may be using unethical labor too.

>>10350258
>Creativity in an alt fashion is bad
>Not knowing how to coord and just wearing sets is peak lolita
The absolute state of /cgl/

>>10350259
>Even japanese lolitas refer to it as a sex shop.

this might've been true ten years ago, but not anymore. japanese lolitas will tag bodyline in their instagram photos sometimes.

>>10350516
Shit, sorry. It wasn't showing up in the catalog or getting bumped for me.

>>10350522
i'd only call someone a brandwhore if they judge people for wearing non japanese brands. nothing wrong with having a preference, but saying someone isn't a real lolita just because they prefer western/taobao is jackassery

>>10350489
kek vw shoes aren't a replica of this, are you stupid

>>10350603
Hmmm triggered because you learned that your japanglish shoes are chinese inspired?

>>10350589
More like the absolute state of the current year lolita. CONSOOM CONSOOM CONSOOM

>>10350469
Lol so it really is the poorfags always calling everyone else poorfag over disagreeing with them.

>>10350603
More likely bait

>>10350601
They’re still lolitas, just lolitas with very questionable taste.

>>10350489
>>10350521
>>10350603
According to an article on the website for the UK's National Leather Collection archives, VW said she was inspired by the Japanese 'okobo' worn by geisha to prevent getting kimono dirty and encourage small steps, and also the European 'pattens', a kind of 'raised platform' that hooks to your shoe to keep the mud off.

VW wanted to create a shoe that literally put 'women on a pedestal.'

So, you're all right and you're all wrong.

Just received my first dress by MMM (a recent rerelease) and honestly I’ve never been so disappointed with lolita purchase. Don’t get me wrong, it’s fine but it is actually... nothing extraordinary quality-wise? The print is stiff and bleak, the lace design looks like any other you can find in a regular shop, the construction is simple.

Maybe my expectations were too high since Mana’s brand always looked special in my eyes and the prices are on the higher end. But honestly with AP, Baby and AATP I had an amazing impression holding the dresses with all the tiny details in my hands irl and feeling that brand magic while this one made me suspicious whether I got scammed with a replica (when I was not). Maybe it better belongs to the feels thread but I felt the need to write about it somewhere.

>>10350705
>recent rerelease
there's your problem

>>10350705
Most Moitie designs are simple. It is their look. I think you are only scammed in the sense that you built up a brand to be something it is not.

>>10350705
I've had the exact opposite. I was used to MMM quality and got a BTSSB OP and was shocked at how the entire dress was unlined for some cheapass reason.

>>10350716
People meme about AP being shit quality but Baby is the true garbage quality brand

>>10350716
Was it a cheaper release or a lucky pack dress? Those tend to be unlined.

>>10350722
>>10350716
Just because it's unlined doesn't mean it's bad quality... New AP is all lined but it's honestly a garbagefire

>>10350730
t. Seething babyfag

>>10350716
I've never seen an unlined BTSSB dress besides their cutsew dresses. I mostly buy oldschool tho and not the new stuff. Was it a cutsew OP?

>>10350705
I feel the same, anon, specially regarding their chiffon dresses.

>>10350734
You might buy oldschool but you sure are a newfag considering how much this has been discussed here

>>10350730
I'm actually an APfag but alright anon. Honestly new BTSSB is doing a lot better than AP though AP quality is better for older pieces.

>>10350734
The only completely unlined BTSSB dress I owned was an old school cotton OP. Their newer jsks have unlined bodices and waist ties but they do have skirt lining.

>>10350750
Oops, meant for >>10350732

>>10350747

No one said I was or wasn't new, was just asking a question but be petty for no reason if you want I guess?

>>10350750
Yeah I have never had a dress with an unlined skirt, only bodices unlined (other than cutsew OPs). Even though I find Meta better quality, I do notice that BTSSB elastic seems to hold up really well on fully shirred bodices compared to Meta pieces that I've owned around the same age despite the elastic being exposed on the inside of the garment.

>>10350750
As an APfag it’s the reverse experience for me. Baby’s older pieces are better quality and AP is killing it nowadays. Still if you aren’t new I don’t know how you haven’t heard about the discussion about Baby’s quality issues on here,

>>10350705
I'm assuming you're talking about Sleeping Garden? Or Neo Gothic Arch?

I haven't seen either in person, have only heard what other anons have said. But please don't let those skew your entire perception of MMM.

imo where they really shine are their older solids and screenprints like Gothic Arch. The construction, weight, and attention to detail is absolutely phenomenal, and their beauty is in their simplicity. This may sound weird but I just love the character and elegance of their old designs so much.

I don't want to overhype them because I'm sure that's what led to your disappointment in the first place...but Sleeping Garden and/or Neo Gothic Arch aren't their best by a long shot.

Misakos recent upload, her aging is showing really bad here

>>10350826
She's like 40 of course she looks old

>>10350826
age comes for all of us, one day you too will wrinkle and sag.

>>10350826
wtf she looks fine you wacko

>>10350833
She really looks rough there anon...
>>10350826
Oh wow, this is... unfortunate...

>>10350826
She looks like shit

>>10350835
>>10350844
better kill yourselves before you get old and wrinkly too

>>10350826

It's mostly bad lighting, the light's behind her and you can practically trace the shadow near her eye being cast by the curl next to her bangs (not to mention her bangs and everything else casting their shadow too).

Human faces make weird shadows when the lighting isn't right, that's why some daylight or bathroom selfies (diffuse light) look better than those taken indoors (overhead lights, usually cold temp too)

A bit surprised they didn't use another fill light or at least tell her to sit the other way. Looks like a well-lit shot except for her entire head and chest area.

>>10350826
Hilarious considering most women would kill to look like her at 40. God, I know I would. She looks older but still gorgeous.

>>10350826
God forbid a woman ages. Gracefully, I might add

>>10350826
a middle aged woman looking middle aged? blasphemy!

Looks like a bit of a sore spot was touched on eh gulls? Sad you can’t admit to someone aging

>>10350863
Literally no one is saying that. Learn to read.

>>10350865
I can FEEL the seething coming off of this post

>>10350870
I’m not mad at all, actually. I just feel sorry for you.

>>10350863

Eh, I'll admit I'm aging, I'm even older than Misako.

It's not that scary, you honestly turn a corner and some hormones back down and you literally just stop caring. It's like you finally stop being a moody teenager, quite nice really.

Anyhow, if Misako can actually get paid to rock brand new releases from burando you can bet I'm hanging on to my AP until the fashion police comes for me.

>>10350871
>I-I’m totally not mad!!!

Sure Jan

oh boy here we fucking go

>>10350884
Sounds like you’re projecting

>>10350464
Demanding labour to be cheap is literally the definition of capitalism, you may want to check up the meanings of words before using them

>>10350522
>onlyfrillsandhorses
>a great handmade oldschooler

This post perfectly demonstrates how lolitas like to talk about quality when they don’t know shit about it. Materials she uses are passable at best but her garment construction is terrible. Definitely not an example to use when talking about high quality handmade.

Does the MTO Honey Cake have a side zipper or is it like a lot of huge new AP with shirring only and no zipper? Just idle curiosity about the construction, really.

>>10350907

People seem to like her pieces and I've yet to see a negative comment before yours other than someone who didn't like her purse/bag

>>10350907

Her stuff is better than those tacky Joann novelty prints a ton of obese handmade itas love. But I guess many people have a low bar for handmade. And a low bar for brand too these days desu.

.. I just got one of these for cheap and I’m excited. I wish brands did swimsuits again. It’s looong over due.

>>10350907
>onlyfrillsandhorses
Shiiit thats a old username recalled deep from my memories. I use to talk to her on tumblr like 5+ years a ago.

>>10350907
Finally someone said it. Also it’s one thing to make yourself borderline btssb replica designs, but I hope she’s not planning on selling those

>>10350826
I really respect older lolitas, and misako looks great for her age. We’ll all age, it’s nothing to be ashamed of

>>10350945
Damn that's cute. You're going to have the best summer, anon-chan!

>>10350924
No side zipper.

>>10350907
The cutsew she previewed for her brand looks so cheap, it makes me sad to think of how many people will buy it.

can MmM’s Juliet OP be worn with a petti? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a pic of it worn well with a petti even with the short length

>>10350993
What kind of retarded question is this? The model in the photo is wearing a petti with it and looks fine.

>>10350959
Damn what did she replicate?

>>10350907
>>10350929
I find it hard to believe no one noticed the sad excuse of lace topped handmade utk’s she wears with EVERY coord. If you are so cheap you can’t even buy some quality socks maybe you shouldn’t make your own lolita, let alone start your own brand.

>>10350992
hard agree. I like her skirts and jsks. I'd be a lot more likely to buy something like that from her.

>>10351013
I definitely notice kek she coords everything the same exact way

>>10350826
It's probably been a bad week for her. She works as a nurse, doesn't she?

>>10351013
this post reeks of jealousy

>>10351036
nayrt but they're not wrong

>>10351036
Jealous of what? The same pair of worn out socks? Come on.

>>10351033
Yeah. I think it is probably just bad lighting too. That one you posted in clearly smoothed in photoshop or something. We are not used to seeing our models in a more normal state.
She still looks dang good for her age.

>>10351033
It just looks like they laid off the photoshop. She looks perfectly fine for someone her age.

>>10351037
>>10351042
>talented seamstress starting her own indie brand who puts together nice coords and is generally well liked by most oldschool lolitas
>hurrrrr i don't like her socks so she shouldn't pursue her ambitions to start a brand
idk seems kind of petty and irrelevant.

>>10351033
I think she looks good for hed age but wtf is the dress she's wearing here? Looks like a cosplay outfit from aliexpress or something.

>>10351045
Second anon, you’ve got to be joking. Not everyone wants to open up their own brand.

>>10351045
speak for yourself.

>>10351045
Nayrt but
>talented seamstress
...please.
You either have no idea about quality or wking yourself. Not a good look.

>>10351045
I wear pretty much exclusively old school and while I don't think her work is bad, I don't find it up to par in quality with old brand and generally I think she falls flat in the small details, so I won't be buying her clothing personally. I feel like she tries to emulate old baby, but it's just obviously not as nice unfortunately

>>10351047
You can be jealous of someone without wanting to actually do what they do you know

>>10351055
But nobody here is jealous of her busted ass socks or indie brand.

>>10351057
This. Why is it that people always insist gulls are jealous when they get any criticism? Are you that much of a narc

Is the reign of Puppet Circus as one of the top 3 overpriced dream dresses over? The ivory OP sold for less than $400 today.
Or was it because it was stained, kek

>>10351059
Stained + ivory is the least desired colorway. Talk to me when the wine or black is dipping that low regularly.

>>10351058

I like her stuff but all I see is ig photos and I don't look super closely so while I can't attest to quality I love the way it looks. I don't think people are jealous for not also liking her. They just have their own opinions. She seems like a non edgy unproblematic old schooler that does a decent enough job so I'm shocked people dislike her so aggressively though when I'd never seen anything but positivity in the CoF threads before when she'd get posted.

>>10351057
You can criticize someone then without being a total cunt about it. It's one thing to not like someone and explain why in a constructive way, but you sperging rudely sounds like you either want to stir shit or have a vendetta.

>>10351070
Anon wasn't being "a total cunt", grow a thicker skin.

>>10351062
This is what makes me think the anon going on about how bad her craftsmanship is may be trying to shit stir. I agree those socks don't look amazing but nothing else indicates she has poor quality.

>>10351070
Seriously you shouldn’t white knight yourself on 4ch. No one owes you constructive criticism and people already told you that your handmade socks look cheap and garment construction is mediocre, you just don’t want to accept it. Maybe you are not as talented as you think.

>>10351062
I don't hate her or anything, but she has always rubbed me the wrong way with how she refers to herself as a jfashion model and spams her pictures everywhere she can even before she was starting this brand. She just seemed very into herself and attention and that's just a quality I don't like. Her sewing is good, but nothing incredible. Like someone said above, the community's quality standards for handmade and even brand are just so low at this point

>>10351070
no one was being a cunt

>>10351079
If you can't read the aggressive tones in the posts upthread you may be an actual autist

>>10351070
>total cunt
>”jealous of what? A pair of warn out socks?”

You’re way too sensitive for this website

>>10351076
I’m the original anon who posted about this and at least 4 people agreed with me after that. There are a lot of other indicators of low quality if you look for it actually, like bad fit, puckered seams etc.

>>10351080
Get over it. We shouldn't have to tiptoe around anyone's feelings to express what we want to say, especially on 4chan. Maybe this isn't the place for you

>>10351080
>weh their tone was aggressive and hurt my feewins!!!

Are you for real?

>>10351084
Agreed! Her stuff isn't the worst ever, but for someone trying to claim she's her own brand, she needs to be better than "not the worst", it's just common sense.

>>10351082
>>10351085
>>10351087
I didn't say you had to care about anyones feelings. the one anon was being overtly aggressive, it's sus of shit stirring

>>10351078
As someone that's into a lot of other jfashion styles in general, she'd constantly spam her fairy kei/cult party kei/whatever the fuck else kei pictures in groups and get almost no interaction because her outfits were sub-par + she's fat. She finally got some attention with oldschool so she jumped ship on everything else and wears it solely now kek

>>10351092
THIS

>>10351090
It’s not just “one anon” though, it’s at least two people. Probably more. It’s not sus if it’s a group of people saying things like this. You’re just a sensitive WK

>>10351093
i just can't take this ""love"" of oldschool sincerely after seeing them try and fail to get a following in literally every other alt jfashion a little over a year ago.

>>10351090
Which anon, >>10351013 ? I think they are just being honest. If you don’t even have money to buy/make a good pair of socks lolita is just not the fashion for you.

>>10351078
Her face annoys me a bit

>>10351095
I feel the same exact way. She also used to get so much shit for her crappy makeup and coords literally less than a year ago and I don't understand why some people wk her so hard when at best she just does cookie-cutter, basic old school. Why is everyone's standard so low?

>>10351092

Maybe she lost weight or lolita hides it well but she doesn't seem overweight to me?

>>10351073
Or maybe just get a reality check and go outside. What's the point in being so unnecessarily vitriolic?

>>10351104
she's not overweight but she's fatter than most of the under 100lbs e-fame jfashion girls she kept trying to compete against. oldschool hides her shape better and has shirring to fit her larger size

>>10351110
.....are we even talking about the same person? How in the fuck is she fat?

>>10351114
>she's not overweight
>but she's fatter than most of the under 100lbs
can you not fucking read? she's not overweight but when you're 140lbs in a sea of 100lbs girls you're going to look fat in comparison. reading comprehension, get some.

>>10351114

>>10351116
god this looks terrible. this also reminds me how much i hate when girl follow a makeup tutorial to a T. adjust for your face ffs!

You idiots are going to get the thread archived or deleted, shut the fuck up already

>>10351118
the thread was shit from the start, if it gets archived/deleted and another has to be made all the better

>>10351118
Who cares? It’s not like a new one won’t immediately get made in its place

>>10351116
FAS?

There's an AP x Pullip collaboration
>https://twitter.com/AP_onlineshop/status/1228228825516916737

>>10351114
She used to be fat but she lost weight and definitely isn't anymore. Does no one remember when she posted those weird "old school roomwear" photos of her in a tanktop and bloomers looking dumpy?

>>10351123
These photos and outfits were so unflattering, it's painful

>>10351123
she's just as fat as she was before, oldschool just hides it better. but you can't hide how fat she still is with those arms in the second photo.

>>10351123
she looks skinnyfat not actual fat. working out would help

>>10351131
That’s not what skinnyfat means. Skinny fat is thin but flabby vs toned. She’s not thin.

>>10350826
I wish I looked as good as her at 36

>>10351095
Can you post some of her old jfashion attempts?

>>10351123
I wouldn't necessarily call her fat, but she seems to have a stocky build and thick legs

>>10351121
Nah, just average brit

>>10351100
She essentially throws money (miles of expensive lace) at it to hide the poor quality sewing, the puckering seams, and the ill-fitting bodices. The 2nd hand market for old school is so dry atm they will buy anything.
>>10350959
She's currently ranting on facebook about some indie brand called GlitterTale stealing her designs, designs that she likely stole from Otome no Sew or the GLB's. Pot meet kettle.

>>10351144

>>10351145
I don't see any resemblances personally.

>>10351144
If you have evidence she stole it then post it. Not denying she didn't do it but speculation =/= proof. Glitter tale also makes direct replicas of brand pieces

>>10351145
My god she's self absorbed. She hasn't even started her brand and she's already calling people out for copying? They're both unoriginal designs

>>10351146
The design is more than different enough that calling it copying or stealing is a real reach imo.

>>10351146
she makes a red tartan suit and now all red tartan suits are stolen from her? please sit down bitch

>>10351147
Lolibrary exists. “Stole” is a strong word because it’s a basic ass design but same goes for GlitterTale too. She has no right to cry about it.

>>10351137
you can literally just scroll down her insta from not even 6 months ago anon. she tried everything under the sun until something stuck. im sure if they licked her ass enough in fairy kei we'd be getting tutu skirts and pastel sweaters with her (mediocre) art on it, instead.

>>10351139
And weirdly low boobs that hit too low in bodices. Maybe that’s why she looks better now, she’s making clothes that fit her ood shape correctly

>>10350826
Who cares, she's still cuter than must lolitas anyways.

>>10351155
Oof. Ty for the spoonfed.

>>10351158
Maybe we'd all be better off. What is even going on with these scalloped hems? (From one of her BTSSB design replicas)

>>10351146
More like this

>>10351158
Wearing a bra over a dress might sound like an interesting concept in theory, but I really didn't want to see that.

>>10351146
And the skirt

>>10351173
Nice email

Here's some more of her Japanese Brand level sewing complete with underarm stains(?)

>>10351176

>>10351176
>>10351173
>>10351181
are you hosting your meetup so you can post everyone and call them itas on here after?

>>10351183
I’ve never posted anyone here so it’s fine, say whatever you want

>>10351033
Honestly it’s her expression that’s doing her no favors. I hate that sad-seductive sleepy face all the japanese models do now.

>>10351059
yikes, iconic or not is a +10 years old velvet piece. I bet soon they will come with their own ecosystem

>>10350993
Of course it can as long it's not a poofy cupcake-shaped one (common sense, duh). I think a slightly deflated a-line petti would look best.

>>10351060
>ivory is the least desired colorway
Weird pink is. Ivory comes somewhere between black, red and pink.

I know it won’t happen but I would love for AP and Baby to make some kind of collab dress.

This new cgl mod is deleting posts criticizing a girls sewing now, how sensitive can you get before this site is unusable.

>>10351208
What do you think it’ll look like? Ott sweet or crazy lacy tea party gown?

>>10351208
When pigs fly

>>10351209
lmfao all of the comments insulting her weight and appearance are still here but actual criticism of her sewing that relates to the contents of the board? MUST DELETE

>>10351123
That's not fat, definitely not "skinny", she just has very low muscle tone and a normal body weight.

>>10351123
You can't tell me thats not a man

>>10351254
I’ve always thought she was actually male but couldn’t prove it. Even the face always just looks like a boy with makeup

>>10351206
You just blew my mind. All this time I thought the pink was just ugly faded red

>>10351255
same. i have never seen someone in the community who was so consistently shit at makeup.

>>10351123
>tfw I weigh 105 lb at 5'7" and I look chunkier than her
I don't understand, what is wrong with my damn body.

>>10351254
oh come on do you say that same about lolitas who are uglier but better-dressed like josine and tyler lotv? no you don't.

>>10351255
she sounds like a woman irl. she just looks awkward. not every woman is some sort of willowy beauty

>>10351254
>>10351255
even ugly women look distinctively different from men. you sound like bitter TIMs

>>10351271
>>10351269
It's not about looking ugly. I was referring to body and face shape. If she is actually a she, then that's really unfortunate. Her upper body is the shape of most guys, and her face looks like a guy's.

>>10351263
Re measure your height and weight, because even skinny fat people won't look chubby at those measurements

>>10351273
I think it's because of her top looking unflattering, she definitely is a woman and this whole "debate" about her gender based on one photo is misogynistic as fuck.

>>10351284
Agreed, it’s genuinely vile and desu I bet most of the people chiming in are sad incels who’ve never spoken to a real lolita in their lives and are just mad at the idea of a woman becoming even mildly successful in her artistic endeavours

>>10351286
Nah I think her coords are cute, I’m a cis woman and I support trans women and I respect pronouns, I’m not being paranoid. I just think her face looks like a boy’s and her broad shoulders don’t help. Since she’s been wearing old school I think her body looks a lot more feminine, the stuff she was wearing before was just accentuating her broader shoulders. But her face is just uncannily boy-like. Nothing I can put my finger on, not strong jaw or anything like that. It just always looks to me like a boy putting on make up and I can’t shake the feeling. When I look at her I want to call her a he just instinctually. Maybe it’s the face expression she always uses and pictures? Or her make up?

>>10350945
I'm not sure you'd be interested but I think I saw the dress that matches this on eBay!

>>10351290
I think you're just weird, anon.

>>10351290
God who fucking cares you absolute cretin if you think she looks cute then why drone on and on about her being ****gasp**** a man??? Clearly some nasty attempt to bring her down don’t pretend to be a saint

>>10351290
fuck off larper

>>10351290
oh ok, so you'll bend over backwards for trannies but attack real women

>>10351290
I cant stand that girl but man this is some bad roleplay

>>10351286
i highly doubt that, this is a huge reach. i think she's a bit unfortunate looking, but not like a man, but of course crazy anons will call her a man it has fuckall to do with her "success" she's not even successful.

>>10351321
She has nudes and partial nudes on her insta so I don't know why y'all are debating this. Her titts are massive.

>>10351322
She’s chubby so calling them massive means nothing

>>10351322
>I don't know why y'all are debating this
i'm not debating it lol, it just makes sense that people are calling her a man. she's unfortunate looking. also this pic is fucking greasy as hell looking damn.

>>10351286
For real what's up with the trend of calling girls trannies/traps recently when they clearly aren't? Part of me thinks it's actual delusional troons trying to "claim" actual females as own of their own to boost their self esteems.

>>10351329
where have you been the last decade? calling ugly girls men has always been a thing.

>>10351329
It hurts their feefees because lolitas want to be hyperfemme sapphic faggots.

>>10351331
It's not just ugly girls though is the thing. tsuruko, anzujaamu, alterhacker, all very feminine girls get called trannies all the time. Also this girl in question is not ugly anyway, she is very average looking and clearly not a man.

>>10351329
>trend

Is this your first day on the Internet?

>>10351263
Dysmorphia or you're shit at measuring

>>10351318
My god these scallops are painful to look at

>>10351332
wtf does this mean? people like you are the reason girls in egl are AFRAID to be anything but froofy pink and AP-clad with precise but light makeup... because god FORBID anyone in this already weird alt-fashion do experimental makeup or wear frumpy dumpy oldschool lest they literally get accused of not being girls

>>10351333
it’s honestly nothing to do with their appearance though it’s literally just any girl who gets a tiny amount of internet points incites this roiling fucking nastiness in people here on cgl

>>10351339
Kek please, there are plenty of lolitas who wear old school and don’t just try to look “pretty” or whatever and do it well, cry harder

>>10351301
Nayrt but saying they look like a boy or man is not an “attack”. I honestly don’t give a fuck if they are a man or a woman but I would be lying if I said they didn’t look masculine.

>>10351326
Chubby people can have no titts

>>10351263
You sound like you have body dysmorphia.

What happened to sucre-dolls?

>>10351208
Why would direct competitors collab on anything? When has that happened with any product ever?

Wtf is up with this chick and buying/bidding on a bunch of Honey Cakes?

>>10351401
Um duh it says it right there in her name.

>>10351123
is she still shitting up the old school group with constant crossposts? it got so annoying I left.

>>10351398
Died :(

>>10351433
They've been liking/retweeting stuff about the corona virus on twitter so I guess they just didn't feel like keeping up with AP. Thanks for making me think the person actually died so I went to google to find out if so.

>>10351398
Who tf is that?

>>10351453
person that runs (or ran) a tumblr database of every AP release + would update lolibrary, randomly stopped posting on tumblr a couple months ago

>>10351459
I think she still updates lolibrary? I’d be really surprised if she stopped being interested in the fashion. Maybe she’s just not posting due to issues.

>>10351398
For some reason they have me blocked on tumblr and I have no idea why.

>>10351459
Most people stopped using tumblr when the purge happened over a year ago. There’s been a huge drop in user interactivity over the last 17 months because of it.

>>10351400
Nayrt but don’t start running your mouth when you have no idea what you’re talking about, it makes you sound idiotic. Ford and Toyota have designed a car together, and Apple and Microsoft have worked together more than once. It’s not uncommon.

Just made a pull on my viyella dress by soft plastic measuring tape. How fragile that thing even is?

>>10351400
One popular company = large profit
Collab between two equally popular companies (regardless of competition) = even larger profit

>>10351522
The ford and toyota collab fell apart and apple and microsoft are hardly direct competitors. Maybe in the past but not anymore

>>10351511
>>10351489
I liked the tumblr because they'd also post coordinate photos of the clothes from the brands, which lolibrary lacks, so if they've given up on it permanently I'd be pretty sad. Their last post was in Dec, maybe updating lolibrary is enough of a beast...
>>10351508
maybe the tumblr account you followed from looked "suspicious" (kink/fetish/etc) so they blocked

>>10351522
>telling other people they don't know what they're talking about when you have no idea what YOU'RE talking about
Oh boy. Domestic and foreign cars are not DIRECT competitors, and Microsoft is not anywhere near a DIRECT competitor for Apple.

>beginning of this thread: no one cares about design replicas!!!
>this thread now: sperging out about that tartan design replica
why is /cgl/ so dumb

Here's a question for the room: what do you wear when you aren't wearing lolita?
Normie clothes? Goth? Some other style?

>>10351617
Who’s sperging tho? Everyone’s saying it’s a basic design.

>>10351623
normie clothes and jane marple

>>10351605
McDonald's and burguer king have collabed, as well as a bunch of high end designers such as vvw X other ppl

>>10351623
Punk or pinup

>>10351644
>Burguer King

Is that French?

>>10351558
My account isn’t associated with kink and my username is just my name so I don’t see how they could think that :(

>>10351629
a lot of comments have been deleted at this point

>>10351623
Normie shit, t-shirt and jeans. I wish I could pull off more edgy goth looks, but I just don't have the body for it right now, nor will I ever have the right face for it. fml.

>>10350907
>>10351084
>>10351089

... So I'll come out of the woodwork to defend this chick. I recently actually BOUGHT one of her handmade pieces, an OP, and not only is it well-constructed (it's better than most taobao) it's a really good-quality cotton fabric (again, better than most taobao and, at the moment, AP) much like something Metamorphose would do. The stitches are all even, the thread is strong, and the lace is also very high quality (evenly sewn onto the hem of the dress, no catches, and cute bunnies design). There are no out-of-place seams. The ribbon sewen into the lace is straight, flat. The dress fabric doesn't even wrinkle. And, bonus, the whole dress is lined. She sewed a petticoat into it. The whole thing reminds me of my older Meta pieces, and I'm being honest here. Call me a whiteknight, ok, but I don't even know her (she lives in the UK, I live in the US). I liked the dress, it went with my older Meta apron, and it's worth the money I paid for it. I will continue to buy from onlyfrillsandhorses and I think if you do too you won't be disappointed. And even if you are, she sounds like a sane adult who would work through any problems like a professional CSR.

sage for this sidetrack but it's not really off-topic.

>>10351095
this. but at least the girl can sew/source, and I wish her luck.

>>10351114
>>10351116
>>10351123
she's not fat, she has lost a lot of weight and good for her. I lost a lot of weight over the summer, but then gained it all back. It's incredibly difficult to keep weight off you've lost.
>>10350945
ugh anon this looks sooooo cute I love it

>>10351033
she looks really nice. esp for her age. stay salty, anons.

>>10351623
Big sweaters and leggings and warm socks bc wintery climate

>>10351623
Nanchatte

>>10351623
I wear lots of larme-inspired stuff, most of it being black, white and pink. I like keeping a narrow colour-scheme in both my lolita and my casual wardrobe. Inb4 LaRmE iS dEad: no1curr

>>10350826
Who cares, shes pretty

>>10351226
Melty Jewelry Swine~Fly Me Over the Moon

>>10351623
Generic larme inspired stuff, cutesy forever 21, Liz lisa and gunne sax

>>10351623
General kawaii jfashion and at this point I don't care enough to figure out the exact label for each non-lolita coord, though I'd say it's himekaji and larme/a blend of both. My wardrobe is pretty cohesive I'd say so I mix and match whatever I like based on mood and occasion.

>>10351673
Haha I feel you, the magazine is still running and while it's unfortunate that the western online comm died I think it's for the better. So many tryhards tried to establish LaRmE rULeS only to reee about it when the next released issue took a different direction

>>10351659
could have retweeted something that was innocuous to you but raised alarm bells for them? I dunno, I'm not them. Could even just be a bug with tumblr. Who knows.

>>10351666
you seem like a nice person, keep it up.

>>10351666
Okay satan, I'll bite. Can you take some pics? I'm curious.

>>10351660
I have been following the thread from the start actually. My point stands.

>>10351666
That’s a lot of words but honestly pictures speak better >>10351318
>>10351123

>>10351717
I can only speak for the one dress I now own, but I'm p sure that the actual dress speaks louder than a picture of the dress babe.

you just keep on doin your thing tho

>>10351698
thanks. i'm still full of salt. i'm just one of the oldfags, anons, so i'm not as needy for attention, like some of you other russian robots out there.

>>10351704
I inherited pic related >>10351717 and dont mind taking close-ups. particularly this fabric and the lace. i can take pics of my wrinkly old apron too lol. that's the thing about this OP. I bought it bc I knew I'd be covering it with the apron. but honestly it does remind me of those older dresses we all spent $100 on.

>>10351725
I mean great if you are happy but if you don’t see that messed up armhole or sad scallops I doubt that you know what you are talking about.

>>10351717
I've met this girl and her speshul snowflake orbiters and they were just awkward as fuck.
The construction of the OP doesn't look anything comparable to brand, >>10351725 I'm glad you're happy with it but the money could have been better spent on an actual old school piece.

>>10351760
If >>10351725 fits that OP, do you think she can fit into old school brand pieces?

>>10351773


They'll max out the shirring but they could probably fit fully shirred JSKs. I used to be fat and could fit fully shirred old school BTSSB and meta, some AP but no OPs because of the shoulder/bust not being shirred.

Why are people paying so much for the Honey Cake bag? The jewelry makes more sense since it can be worn with other dresses, but the bag will never properly match any dress besides Honey Cake and $200 is a lot to spend on a bag for one dress. Is it just for full set clout?

>>10351623
short and slutty dresses/skirts
i'm weird like that i guess

>>10351788
If the jewelery can be worn with other dresses so can the bag

>>10351788
The dresses have held up better over the years than the bags. There are less bags in useable condition in existence than the dresses.

>>10351796
Not really. Yellow bear dresses aren’t unheard of but the pancake mix box is a very specific design.

>>10351800
Not every dress has a print and if you're matching by color, the jewelry matches way less than the bag does.

>>10351800
>>10351803


Could be an interesting thread to do a coord challenge with unique brand items (sticking to brand as I really don't want someone sticking somePayless shoe in there saying "COORD THIS").

Off the top of my head I think the bag could work with anything that seems retro and breakfast-ish, so all the diner waitress dresses they've been releasing lately come to mind, as well as maybe French Cafe print. There's probably some way to make it work with sweet lolita apron coords as well.

>>10351822
I love this idea

>>10351822
Wasn't there an American Diner-theme dress? Bit of a stretch, but it could work

>>10351623
A mix of vintage, general kawaii/jfashion, and the sort of goth/rock stuff that was in Kera

Oh my gosh, gulls. This is the most adorable solid that I’ve seen from angelic pretty in a long time. I didn’t see it in any of the previews, did anyone else? They always sneak in the solid releases with no prior warning

>>10351857
That sax

>>10351857
I love this jsk

>>10351857
I don’t want to love this but I do

>>10351857

>>10351623
Mall goth bordering on e-girl shit, but lolita is slowly becoming the only think I wear outside of work clothes

>>10351857
First I liked it, then I thought it would be nice in cotton, and without the satin bow, then I just realized that I wish it was released by meta

>>10351623
30’s frumpy librarian-kei using a mix of Jfashion, vintage, repro and handmade pieces. A lot of the time I just put on a cozy sweater over a simple classic lolita skirt or dress.

>>10351857
This looks a lot like Meta, back when Meta still made things I liked. Might actually order this, it's really cute and I love the belt accent.

That’s a new one. Do you think she knows socks can be washed in garment bags on the delicate cycle and flat dried?

>>10351623
Goth mostly. Some punk. At work it's just jeans and a t-shirt, same as everyone else.

>>10351623
General jfahion brands like Milk and Katie. I love Milk's new collections and dresses with longer skirts. I also like vintage but I have trouble finding things small enough for me in my city.

>>10351857
Am I the only one who doesn't like this? Looks like a boring normie dress. Not special.

>>10352138
>Am I the only one who doesn't like this?
yes.

>>10351857
I like it but not enough to buy new

>>10352138
I like it but I think it would look like garbage on me. Looking forward to seeing other people's cute coords though.

Of course it's gonna be sideways but here's my very wrinkly apron with that dress.

Bunnies!

>>10352158
Post without apron

Inside hem and ruffles. The fabric is nice. There are pockets!

And here's the dress

>>10352138
I kinda like it. Too high waisted for me, I like a slightly longer bodice. Bodices like this look so shit on western tall and broad shoulder bodies

>>10352165
This look so bad, I hope you paid 5$ for it. Honestly it looks like you could have gotten it from ebay or milanoo, and for your idea of covering it all up with an apron, you actually would have been better off buying a cheap ita dress someone cringe bought than to make this girl think she can have a brand.

The biggest issue is the bodice is sloppy. Adding pockets and choosing nice lace wont change the fact that she didnt figure out how to make a bodice. All she did is just use a ton of fabric and put in shirring because she thought that is how a bodice is, there is no pattern and so there is no structure to the dress. If you look at any full shirred dresses, old school and modern, the bodice unstretched is not just a sack, it still have a defined shape to it because it was patterned to be so. When you look at >>10352165 there is no shape.

>>10351121
iirc she is autistic

>>10352165
I can’t believe you think this is well made

>>10351889
The series is cute but the styling is terrible here in both photos.

>>10352165
For $100 you could have bought a shirring princess jsk....
this is nowhere near the same level to even other indie brands imo looks like someone’s nan just made you a lolita “inspired” op in her basement with some cute lace she got at some rando fabric shop....

>>10352084

Only thing I can think of is she copypastes this onto the end of every listing and forgot that she was listing a sock for sale.


.....though, that does imply she lies about cleaning her dresses in the rest of her listings. Hmm.

>>10352138

Sometimes all you really want is a boring normie dress but done well and done nicely.

If I bought this off a normie brand the skirt wouldn't fit a petticoat, the lace would be cheap and meh, the buttons would be random normal ones and I'm pretty sure they don't really care to add half as many detailing or ruffle the lace on the hem of the dress. The details, man. The small tiny details that normies don't care about are what makes my heart sing, I wouldn't even glance at this from a normie brand because I can guarantee you it wouldn't have enough lace or cuteness in it.

>>10352158
>>10352165

Uh. Well. I have to appreciate that you stuck to your guns all the way and posted photos. Thank you for not abandoning it halfway.

>>10351889
Are these from Spoon? Please, post more pics of non-printed stuff

>>10352138
I wish I lived somewhere where this was considered a normie dress

>>10352362
Same. The closest I’ve seen is vintage repro brands and even with those I constantly have people coming up to me to comment on how out of the ordinary they are. Normie dresses here are mostly sack-shaped and unflattering with no details whatsoever.

/cgl/ has been terribly slow lately and there's nowhere to go for any sort of interesting lolita content or discussion. Feels like the community aspect is really dying. All online communities are either dead or overrun by itas and newbies. I miss Livejournal, and the days when /cgl/ was still active. I hope this at least means the Facebook exodus is nigh and we can find a new platform.

>>10352396
/cgl/ is always slow the past few years, as long as I've been reading it. Browse another board like /a/ if you want a fast board

>>10352396
There's discord

>>10352396
People have been saying everything you just said in your post for years, cgl being slow is nothing new anymore and there hasn't been a new platform to replace LJ, the community is still largely scattered across Facebook, Instagram, Discord, Amino, etc.

new thread >>10352516

So someone on Lacemarket bought a dress from me for super cheap on a new account, they're reselling it for almost 4x the price I sold it to them for on a different account. (It's market value is around 100 dollars - it's double this) I noticed all their other listings are dresses that typically go for around 50-100 dollars all being sold for 100+. I'm fucking pissed.

>>10351717
Front Shirring, for me there is just nothing more disgusting fashion designers could have ever popped out. Absolutely detest it.

>>10352164
Yeah, that's sheeting fabric which has been dyed. How do I know? Did the same thing myself for a Halloween costume years ago. Sorry anon, you've been scalped for a dress which has been poorly made from upholstery fabric and bunny lace which is $10 from eBay and/or Taobao