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I'll start

>buying second hand heps to support brand because seller might use that money to buy new brand
How on Earth do you know what are they going to use money for? It could be leaving lolita sale or they're just downsizing their wardrobe, or basically need some money to pay bills. Like literally whatever reason.

>if you can afford [dress name], try looking for indie.
Okay, I'm NOT telling to support replicas, but what's the point of redirecting people into buying random ass things. It's like telling a person who's looking for fries to go get some apples.

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>> No.10343683

>>10343621
I agree with your first one.

>This is an expensive luxury hobby!
Like uh no, there's fucktons of affordable options with Taobao. It's only an expensive luxury if you only care about Japanese brands.

>> No.10343696

>>10343621
>but what's the point of redirecting people into buying random ass things.
the point is that most people like a specific style rather than just one singular print, and indie brands will have something similar.
>It's like telling a person who's looking for fries to go get some apples.
no, it's like suggesting a cheaper restaurant with the same type of food to someone who can't afford an expensive one. sure it won't be the same dishes prepared in the same way, but it will satisfy the craving.

>> No.10343722

Completely agree with the first one. Any time I've bothered to get off my ass to list something it's because I need the money for an emergency, not because I'm going to buy more lolita with it.

Mine is

>wearing a color that's not in the print is ita
Not every color is going to look good of course but damn, learn some color theory.

>> No.10343728

>>10343621
>buying second hand heps to support brand because seller might use that money to buy new brand
I partly agree with this, but it's obviously not the norm. When I sell something it *is* for the purpose of gaining more funds for brand usually. But not always solely for lolita.

>>10343722
God yes, I hate it so much when noobs who barely can dress themselves/don't have any pictures of their coords online give this shitty concrit. As long as the (under)tones match who cares?

>> No.10344096

>>10343621
Most of us use sales as an excuse to buy more or a means of making new dresses less of an extravagant purchase

>> No.10344193

If i sell something it's because "fuck i need some room in my closet"

>> No.10344198

>>10343683
If someone doesn’t care about the brands that literally created this fashion then they can get the fuck out of it imo

>> No.10344201

>>10343683
>>10343696
>>10344198
OP's here, my point is that better advice would sound to the effect that work yo ass untill you afford the stuff. Actually, one of the best advices I read here on cgl said focus on getting good job because it won't take a lot of time to build nice wardrobe with bigger budget. Idk, leading people to taobao sounds unnecessary here.

>> No.10344282

>>10344201
telling someone to make the money to get something isn't advice, retard, it's common sense.

>> No.10344306

>>10344282
you'd be surprised

>> No.10344323

> If it goes above your measurements, it'll fit!
Sure, you can get it on your body, there may even be plenty of room left. But that doesn't mean it's designed to fit you. If you are not close in size or shape to the intended patterning, you're going to run into issues. Styling in ways that flatter your body is somehow fatphobic in the post-tumblr internet, but it shouldn't be. Learning what cuts and details suit you can go a long way in helping you to look and feel more confident in your wardrobe.

> Buy your petticoat first.
Everyone screeched this when I started 8 years ago, and I still hear this. If you don't have your dress, you're not going to know what type of petticoat, length or fullness you're going to need. Get your first dress first, and then determine your petticoat. You're going to need a variety of shapes and fullness, and no one petticoat is going to rule them all.

> Brand stuff is just better, so you should always buy from brand.
Don't get me wrong, I love supporting my favorite brands. If you want high quality from brands, focus on their main pieces and their matching items. Otherwise, it's not worth paying full price for other items they carry.
- You are not getting a significant change in quality between some cheap shoe on Taobao and brand. At worst, you may get some slightly funky bows, but they're often constructed out of similar materials and they're going to peel and crack. Your $160 shoes are subject to the same wear and tear as the cheap ones. Just buy some indie shoes if you need a variety of colors and styles.
- Brand bags are also subject to peeling, cracking, and do not hold up after many years depending on the environment stored in, even with light wear or kept new.
- Brand pettis still need to be layered.

>> No.10344327

>>10344306
still, it's not really advice for "i can't afford x thing what do?" they already know they don't have enough money. it's not an eye opening concept. it makes sense when people go on about how do you guys afford so much burando?

>> No.10344353

>>10344282
>>10344327

By the same logic, by the time they get to "I can't afford x thing what do?" then they already know the very obvious answer: They can't afford it. Don't buy it, don't get into an expensive hobby that's beyond your means. Why is this even a topic? You can't afford it, don't buy it, cos you can't anyway.

I mean, this topic by itself is just so obviously obvious you'd think no one would ever ask that either and yet here we are today.

If people need to ask how girls afford burando, then the basic, honest answer is still "get a better job" anyway.

>> No.10344435

>>10344353
Likewise, there's the notion being spread around everywhere that:

> Lolita is for everyone!!!

There are budget-friendly options, there are options if you're fat, two bars of entry that kept people from entering the fashion in the past.

On the other hand, if you can't afford to drop $100 on a full coordinate and add more to that, this fashion probably isn't for you. Either cut things out of your budget, find a way to make it work, or sit on the sidelines until you have the money to do so.

If you're used to buying all of your clothes on discount day at the thrift store, you're probably going to have a bad time in lolita.

Sewing this shit isn't a cheaper bar to entry. A well-made garment requires both skill developed over years of experience and the money to invest in proper materials. You're better off buying a $30 Bodyline dress.

If that's too expensive for you, sorry about your finances. Maybe you shouldn't be worrying about a hobby that involves acquiring lots of clothes and accessories.

May I suggest the dollar store craft aisle for your hobby until you have more money?

>> No.10344471

>>10344435
Saying
>X may not be for you
is considered practically hate speech nowadays, even if X is completely frivolous and the reason is purely practical.

>> No.10344490

>too short skirt will look ok with tights

Nope, it will look like bad with or without ones. Learn to use underskirts.

>There isn't such thing like too much poof.

Yes it is. Lolita isn't about cosplaying a parachute.

And ofk there are short parachute skirts worn with tights...

>> No.10344500

>>10343621
>buying second hand helps to support brand because seller might use that money to buy new brand
I've heard that secondhand can stimulate firsthand sales by way of advertising a brand by wearing it, which makes sense to me.>>10343621

>if you can afford [dress name], try looking for indie.
>Okay, I'm NOT telling to support replicas, but what's the point of redirecting people into buying random ass things.
You sound like a roleplayer. Giving people alternatives to buying replicas is what all good lolitas do.
Reason to suggest taobao: replica-chan is cheap
reason to suggest alterations: replica-chan is fat
reason to suggest saving: replica-chan is a poorfag.

Does that answer your question?

>> No.10344502

>>10344435
>>10344471
this level of entitlement is hilarious to me. I think back to the days when it was near impossible to get brand, and people are complaining NOW about the fashion being inaccessible foh.

>> No.10344504

>>10343621
Buying 2nd can support brand, a person may like the quality of the clothes and more buy items from the brand

>> No.10344506

>>10344198
Except that's not what I said at all? I'm saying you don't HAVE to buy the expensive shit.

>>10344201
Taobao is significantly cheaper than most secondhand brand, especially if you're looking sweet border prints. Even the cheapest AP prints go for over $100

>> No.10344509 [DELETED] 

>>10344327
No, the answer is buy a cheaper alternative from Taobao, of which there are hundreds. This hobby absolutely does not need to be expensive, it's easy enough to wear it for cheap.

>> No.10344514

>>10344504
There are tons of people who exclusively buy secondhand brand and always have. That doesn't support brands at all, to think so is delusional.

>> No.10344520

>>10344471
It is hateful tho. The only difference is that nowadays people are more encouraged to call bullshit out.

>> No.10344521

>>10344353
No, the answer is buy a cheaper alternative from Taobao, of which there are hundreds. This hobby absolutely does not need to be expensive, it's easy enough to wear it for cheap.

>> No.10344522 [DELETED] 

>>10344471
if your reason is "ew poor people" then it is hateful

>> No.10344523

>>10344506
There are brand other than AP. AP is actually overpriced and you can easily find some Meta, IW or Baby under 100

>> No.10344526

>>10344523
But those brands don't have the same aesthetic as AP so they're not good alternatives. Except for BTSSB's kumya prints, which all go for over $100 as well. Personally I think Meta and IW are hideous.

>> No.10344527

>>10344514
A secondhand market for something keeps the value of new items up because it means people will be able to recover some percentage of the cost originally. It gives an incentive to people to continue to buy new items.

That, and it also helps brands gauge value so they know what's worth re-releasing etc.

>> No.10344528

>>10344526
Post i was replying too was stating that most second hand brands are more expensive than tao released IN GENERAL. It wasn't about AP sweet style.

>> No.10344574

>>10343621
This is just a thinly veiled excuse to complain about the replica debacle/Tyler's video, isn't it anon?

>> No.10344593

>>10344506
I bought Whip Factory, Cotton Candy Shop, Baked Sweets Parade, Country of Sweets, Fruits Parlor, and Jewelry Jelly for under $100.

>> No.10344595

>>10344514
the 2nd hand market helps brands to identify trends.

>> No.10344637

>>10344520
Yeah, this totally applies to everything. People living on welfare should have their homemade cardboard bags accepted in communities for people who collect luxury handbags, and people who are well over 300 pounds should totally be allowed to go horseback riding

>> No.10344640

>>10344506
i just bought a secondhand AP lucky pack print set for 75 dollars

>> No.10344644

>>10344595
>>10344527
>helping brands gauge interest
This is hardly the case except for few items that sell for way over the original price. The truth is brands have little way of collecting data from most secondhand sites, and they rarely have a solid marketing department capable of handling the data to begin with. Buying and selling secondhand is sustainable and great for the environment, but let's not kid ourselves and say that it actually benefits the brand significantly

>> No.10344651

>>10344644
Personally I’m more likely to buy new when I can’t tell if I’ll like certain details or the cut will look good on me because the secondhand market is good enough that I can get a significant portion of my money back if I try it on and hate it. It’s a fallacy that you can always get your money back, but you can walk away only losing $75 instead of $300 and sometimes lose none at all. If there was no secondhand market I wouldn’t buy new brand unless I could try it on in the store, so I’d only buy it when I was in SF once a year if they had something I liked in stock (not likely, only the fugly stuff is in stock)

>> No.10344652

>>10344520
Jesus I thought I was a sensitive person. If someone can't afford something they can't afford it and it's not the job of people who can afford things to make them feel better.

>> No.10344658

We should stop telling new lolitas that sewing is cheap alternative.
Guess what? It's not. You need good materials and it's very time consuming. Also your first several tries will be 100% garbage.

There is a much cheaper option with loliables. E.g. you get a blouse and you add decoration. Do i need to say why this isn't beginner-friendly?

>> No.10344671

>>10344644
>brands have little way of collecting data from most secondhand sites,
are you an absolute retard? it's extremely easy to go through yahoo auc or mbok and look at sold out items of a specific brand. no one is talking about demographics or some shit. the second hand market and social media is the only reason AP re-releases things to begin with.

>> No.10344673

>>10344526
Not everyone sucks APs arse anon, and most of the taobao I've seen tends toward darker sweet styles, gothable, or OTT classic hime types.

>> No.10344694

>>10344595
brands don't give a shit what westerners like

>> No.10344696

>>10344593
>>10344640
Let me rephrase: popular, coveted, universally loved AP prints don't go for under $100. Sure, you can get some ugly unpopular shit for less.

>> No.10344697

>>10344694
no one mentioned westerners retard. see >>10344671

>> No.10344703

>>10344697
considering we're nearly all westerners here, yeah that's what we're talking about.

>> No.10344717

>>10344696
>unpopular or listed for cheap = ugly
sorry you dropped hundreds on your tacky honey cake just because it was trendy

>> No.10344719

>>10344717
anon pls keep honey cake out of this

>>10344696
they can if you can fit into the skirt. melty cream donut, melty berry princess, dream sky, and more always sell for 250+ but the skirts go for <100

>inb4 the skirts are ugly and don't count reee!!!

>> No.10344724

>>10344696

I can't say for sure the others since it depends on the colorway and I never paid attention to them but Cotton Candy Shop is absolutely popular (the JSK generally sells quickly when I've seen it, especially pink or lavender) and pieces with popular sweet AP prints like that rarely go for under $100 so the anon was able to get a good deal on a desirable piece. Not sure why you think it is ugly or unpopular?

>> No.10344737

>>10344719
That's because it's a fuckin skirt. It's not worth anywhere near $100. Come on now.

>> No.10344751

I hate the concept that if you're not always doing something new and 'out there' with your coords you're boring and ita. There's nothing wrong with figuring out what you like and what suits you and sticking to it

>> No.10344824

>>10344737
>Not worth 100
It is, if someone is willing to pay that price.
I prefer skirts, keep sending them my way.

Your argument is dumb.

>> No.10344843

>>10343621
It’s true that buying secondhand brand = supporting the brand though. Rather disingenuous to say that it’s on the same level of buying offbrand or replica in terms of support. Yes, the flow of money doesn’t directly enter the brand’s pocket but think of consignment shops.Those are indirect sales yet no one would argue that you aren’t supporting the product just because you didn’t buy it from the source.

>> No.10344848

>>10344737
You keep moving the goalposts.

>Taobao is significantly cheaper than most secondhand brand
>that’s not true
>Well I’m only talking about one particular brand!
>it’s still not true
>Well I’m only talking about popular prints by that particular brand!
>still not entirely true
>Well I’m only talking about popular prints by that particular brand in cuts that I like!!

Is Taobao really significantly cheaper than secondhand when it comes to those specific AP prints in those specific cuts that you want? I’m no expert on replicas, so you tell me.

>> No.10345121

>>10344848
I can only speak on my own experience so idk what you expect me to say. I don't buy replicas. I've never seen any of the sweet jsks I want (which is a list over 100 AP prints and Baby kumya prints) go for under $100 on any secondhand site. So yeah, I maintain that Taobao offers the same kind of style for much cheaper. For example the Lolita&Colitas dress which is spot on popular AP style for a fraction of the price.

>> No.10345123

>>10345121
>Lolita&Colitas dress
>spot on popular AP style
yikes

>> No.10345142

>>10344514
That still creates demand for the brand. Why do you think all these MTOs are happening?

>> No.10345144

>>10345121
Lolita&Colitas made only one print that sort of emulates the AP style. Their quality is still shoddy.

>> No.10345152

>>10344703
and? it's already fucking obvious brands don't care about westerners, but lolita has a 2nd hand market in japan that it does care about. i wouldn't care about westerners either. fat entitled itas talking about brands being abelist and racist for not making their walmart vanity sizing are shitting up their perception of us.

>> No.10345174

>>10345121
I even got milky chan jsk & headbow for 5,800 on mercari, anon. Yer talking shite

>> No.10345195

>>10344658
>it's very time consuming
It is not, if you're not a complete newbie in sewing as well.
>You need good materials
Yes you do, but you can still make a decent garment for half the price of a taobao dress (I'm not in the US).
I started as a handmade lolita and I still wear some of my first pieces after 5 years. They are obviously not AP tier in detailing, but you don't need that for your first dress.
I don't recommend handmaking your first dress if you know nothing about patterns, don't own a sewing machine and have never been to a fabric store.

>> No.10345224

>>10345195
It's time consuming if you do it properly. Yep, it's not that hard to do it diy-tier (not something bad it's just mean simplifying things) but do you know how i was taught to make a, lets say, shirt?
1) you draw a technical drawing. And it has sewing tucks that is a real pain in the ass. Than you cut out your details.
2) you make patern1 cut it out too. Put your details together by pair and fix the lines. They should go smoothly!
3)you making your pattern 2
4)sew beta shirt. If it sucks, fix your pattern. Than repeat steps 2-4. If not, well, you still going to sew sewing tucks again.
5)you can sew your goal. But you need to align your fabric pattern as it made out of one piece. And your goal fabric is differeht from beta one so you can fuck up ones more (it happened a lot my first month)
6)and stitches should be neat too! If he had bad stitching, our teacher would just rip our projects and make us do everything again from scratch.

>> No.10345231

>>10345174
I've been looking for Milky Chan in black for a year and never seen it under $100. Yours sounds more like bs to me

>> No.10345275

>>10345174
the only thing that cheap right now on mercari is that awful AP disney collab dress.

>> No.10345280

>>10345275
That's why you check regularly and be patient like everyone else.

>> No.10345291

>>10345280
Or you can just buy from a company that has things in stock and get a new dress instead of used. Nothing wrong with that.

>> No.10345355

>>10344520
Not really.
Perhaps if you make 24k a year, you should be looking at a 2008 Honda Civic rather than crying about Bugatti's prices being classist. They are the price they are for a reason. They are for the people who can afford them, not for 25 year old anon who is a full-time manager at Wendy's.

It's entitlement.

Like, when I learned about the fashion in 2004 or so, it was inaccessible. I made minimum wage and worked 15 hours a week if that sometimes. I lived in a house of chain smokers on top of that. Lolita was not for me at the time. I was not entitled to it. When I had a better paying job and lived in a better environment, I was happy to begin building my wardrobe.

Likewise, I'm fat right now. AP keeps putting out partial shirring. I'm not entitled to any specific cut. Rather than making demands, maybe I should cut calories and start working out or buy dresses that will fit me.

>> No.10345363

>>10345291
I didn't say there was anything wrong with buying new. Your comment is irrelevant to this specific topic which is buying secondhand.

>> No.10345394

>normie shoes are no-no even when loliable
Good fitting shoes are far more better than unfittin "aesthetic" shoes. Sneakers are bad, but there are plenty of normie shoes that will fit the lolita silhouette.
>lolita is not supposed to be easy to wear
Sure, cry more OTT con-ita

>> No.10345397

>>10345195
Errr - it is still pretty expensive and time consuming if you want anything that isn't a basic skirt, and don't even get me started on how freaking long a blouse with any decent detailing will take. Yes, some lolita patterns like 'basic JSK' won't take long, but doing them properly is still a relatively time consuming process and not something you can whip up in an evening like a t-shirt or underwear.

>> No.10345401

>>10344751

I don't think it's even necessarily that. It's the idea that photos must be so smoothed and saturated that daily coords sort of look like pecans next to peacocks particularly on the gram, and I really resent that. Brighter doesn't always mean better but it will sure get you more likes

>> No.10345419

>>10345195
I know several people who churn out dresses in a weekend and to be honest, you can really tell. Sloppy stitching, puckered seams, pieces cut off-grain, rushed lining/facing (if any) and most of the time they didn’t bother adapting the pattern to fit their body and rely way too much on shirring. None of them ever bothers with a mock-up.

Maybe you’re a natural at sewing and design but personally I can’t imagine wearing something I made as a newbie. I’ve improved so much since then and seeing all the mistakes I made makes me cringe. My beginner projects are either kept as educational examples of what not to do or I’ve cannibalised them for notions and scrap fabric.

>> No.10345422

>>10345195
>>10345419

Honestly, it's really old advice and we already stopped giving it like 5 years back (or at least, there were multiple anons already protesting it back then, so people on cgl stopped giving this advice). I think it was thought up when sewing was a more common thing, so even if you were a teenage newb chances are high there would a mother, aunt or grandma somewhere around to help you put together some of the things.

Current day and age we're inundated with so much cheap fast fashion nobody really knows how to sew anymore. I'm not sure how I feel about this change.

>> No.10345423

>>10345174
Either your dress was stained all over or this was 3 years ago.

The "cheap brand" arguement is so stupid right now. Yes, it exists, but any good/popular sweet AP print that is also cheap and in good condition gets bought at lightening speed on mercari/fril. I see things sell in less than 10 minutes. Stuff on CC and WW sells in literal seconds. It's not about being patient anymore, it's about getting lucky with when your shopping service responds. Just because there are cheap listings doesn't mean dirt cheap AP it's suddenly obtainable for everyone.

>> No.10345424

>>10345423
this. and fuck everyone who kept telling newbies to buy from mercari. now everything is expensive af and people cry scalper when they can't buy popular prints for $50 because they were told "oh you can get that for sooo much cheaper from japan" this is your fault

>> No.10345430

>>10345424
Those people ruined mercari

>> No.10345433

>>10345355
>crying about Bugatti's prices being classist
I’m rather crying about comm members pointing that those things are not for everyone every now and then. I must be too sensitive, but that feels kinda, ugh... tactless. Especially when it comes as advice, so people imply themselves to be helping someone.

>> No.10345443

>>10345419
I still wear my first bloomers btw

>> No.10345456

>>10345152
This

>> No.10345482

>>10345433

Think about it another way. Someone's about to commit precious, hard-earned money that was (for them) difficult to come by, on a hobby where you know it's a bit of a sinkhole. You aren't just expected to buy a dress, we post people to the ita thread if they don't have petticoat and accessories. You are also expected to have a small wardrobe to keep going to meetups. It's not a huge amount of money, but it's not a small amount either.

I feel like warning them up front, "this hobby involves spending money, if you can't afford, don't get into it" has got be a far kinder thing to do. Rather that than sitting back and sipping tea while you watch this poorfag wade themselves into debt, always finding they have to buy yet another thing (a petticoat, the wrong shoes, tights, jewellery, many things that make up a "nice" coord), struggling to pay both rent and their layaway when they get laid off, dealing with feeling inadequate when people backtalk them for wearing replicas, etc etc.

I don't know if it's necessarily a "sensitive" thing either. More like people naturally react negatively to bad news and then shoot the messenger. Would be nice if people can recognise that they're reacting badly with misdirected anger (really, what they're angry at is that they don't have enough money to have fun, and the comm member isn't the person that's responsible for that)

>> No.10345486

>>10345424
>>10345430
There aren't that many newbies here. Maybe you are confused with the thousands of Chinese people who got into lolita and are catered to by shopping services much more than we are. If a newbie from our side of the planet buys things from mercari, at least it has a chance it'll end up in our market and not stay in China forever.

>> No.10345516

>>10345397
I think we need to define what "time consuming" is. A basic IW-style jsk with lining and some lace will take me a week to make. I think it's not a lot of time. Getting a dress from Japan or China will take longer. An average cosplay project or historical gown took much longer. Lolita is more simple in comparison, although I had a lot to learn about details when I started.
I know some people can make a jsk in a couple of hours and they even make tutorials about that. I can make as much as a headdress in 2 hours.

>> No.10345671

>>10345516
When EMS gets to you within the week, then that is a long time.

>> No.10345721

>>10345516
that doesn't account for getting the materials, anon. and what if your local fabric store sucks? you then still have to wait for fabrics and thngs you bought online to arrive, which takes a similar amount of time, if not the same, as a dress.

>> No.10345733

>>10345516
Well i think it's time consuming cause you also need to spend time learning and practicing before you can actually sew.

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>>10345516

It's covered in the post you replied to, I think. They said a basic jsk (ie- IW-style basic jsk) would be simple to knock up, but the blouse that you'd need to go with it can get rather overwhelming for a newbie sewist to draft up.

On the other hand I also think some people are making it out to be harder than it is. A good volume of otome no sewing, and you don't really need the bestest fabric -- just start with whatever, quilting fabric is usually fine too, and usually you can knock out something halfway ok. It won't be top notch burando, but you'd have gained a valuable skill to make dresses exactly the way you want, on top of gaining a dress you won't feel horrible about getting dirty and stained like you would if it was burando.

What I really don't understand is why newbie lolitas seem really averse to using otome no sewing? It's like maybe $20 for a book but you can sew an entire wardrobe with it. The only exceptions I should be seeing are those girls who are out of "normal" sizing (in which case they will have a hard time no matter what anyway), or maybe they ended up buying the Simplicity patterns first (my condolences to those... the patterns should really be burnt for the atrocities that they are) -- but newbie sewists never seem to buy the book and instead blaze their own awful trail of half-assed patterns then turn around to whine about how hard sewing lolita is?

>> No.10346115

>>10346100
I think people get intimidated by the fact that it's in Japanese, isn't like a store pattern and "omg tiny Japanese sizing". I wouldn't have bought any of them if I needed to grade the patterns as it is faster for me to draft what are mostly super basic shapes from a decently fitting block than to grade up most of the patterns. That being said, I started learning the basics of drafting pretty much as soon as I could use my machine so perhaps I perceive that as easier than most people find it.

>> No.10346125

>>10346115
Tbh i started with OnS and its not really comprehensive if you don't know what's going on so i had to get some help.

However it's a great book with awesome designs for those who has some experience already.

>> No.10346126

>>10344323
>focus on their main pieces and their matching items. Otherwise, it's not worth paying full price for other items they carry.
This is so untrue, have you never bought blouses and cardigans?? And a cheap blouse looks even worse when you wear it with a brand main-piece

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>>10346126
I own a variety of brand blouses and a few cardigans/cut-sews, yes.

I didn't include tops on that list and was mostly focusing on shoes and bags as being the things that aren't worth the money. I'd wager some accessories too, but I collect AP plastic. I could see how someone might not value the price point for what it is.

Tops are fine, but I personally don't buy them new. I typically buy them on sale or 2nd hand. It's one of those things where I like to have a variety of colors, styles, and fabrics. So I can't justify spending $100+ on a top even if it's a nice one. But I will gladly pay $350 for a main piece.

I suppose if you stick with a limited color palette and strict cohesive style that would make sense, and you may be able to justify the cost since it will go with more. My wardrobe is everywhere color and style-wise. So for the cost of a new brand top, I could get 2-3 tops and have more coordination options.