/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10341028
Its ok if your petti is showing. "Petticoat is an underwear" is dumb, cause underwear is bra and panties while petticoat is a fucking SKIRT

You are not a proper Lolita until you can do one full brand cord. Brand is superior to any taobao.

>>10341031
Except for shoes cause burando shoes are overpriced crap

>>10341029
Somebody posted this in an older thread and I agree: as long as you have thin thighs you can get away with your petti showing or the dress being too short because it still looks innocent and cute (like OP). If you're curvy, it quickly looks too sexy and therefore not appropriate for lolita. That's also why japanese girls in old street snaps can wear mini skirts and still don't look ita. Meanwhile for fuller western girls just a bit above the knee can look off.

>>10341031
That's not unpopular on cgl at all.

In my opinion "small" shoes like tea parties often don't look flattering because it gives the illusion of your lower half being shaped like a carrot: poofy skirt, legs obviously taper towards the bottom and then tiny feet. Chunkier shoes or heels make you look a lot more balanced. Again, only really skinny legged girls can get away with wearing that.

>>10341032
plus shoes
who doesnt own burando shoes

>>10341039
Women with bigger feet than the tiny japanese girls brands make their shoes for?

Lolitas should behave like a lady. I hate when someone says it's just clothes It's so off putting when you see pretty girl wearing frilly dress and a bow who smokes, drinks and swears.

>>10341032
Ok yea I do agree with that.

>>10341065
In my book lolitas and normies should follow to the same rules. Having a drink is a normal social activity but smoking stinks and gives you literal cancer and swearing shows that you're a nasty immature twat who never learned any manners, so don't do that (no matter what clothes you wear). But I guess that's happens because some lolitas think behaving like neckbeards is "quirky" and behaving like drag queens is "sassy". You can be fun and have a personality while still acting like an adult. Original lolitas in the 90s/early 2000s also drank, went to vkei concerts and some liked edgier things but that doesn't mean you have to be downright gross and/or rude.
I hope that lolita weed thread that showed up a couple days ago is just a troll.

>>10341073
Have you heard that people who swear are 80% more honest as a person ?

>>10341074
No.

>>10341032
I used to think that but they are hit and miss, some of them have lasted me a really long time

>>10341073
Fuck outta here with that bullshit.
Yes, I have learned manners, so I know when it’s not appropriate to swear.
But when I’m with likeminded friends or on some anonymous Mongolian tapestry forum, I swear when I feel like it.
Luckily, I’m not some 19th century woman that has to keep her mouth shut and adhere to whatever arbitrary rules society thinks she should follow at all times. I just dress like one.

>>10341065
I have a similar opinion to you. I know it's never going to happen but I think lolita should only be worn by those who have a good heart. No, you don't have to act saccharine and super feminine but just be a decent person that doesn't put others down and start drama all the time, you know? I find it so off-putting how so many lolitas have the most rotten personalities and I feel like they don't deserve to wear or represent the fashion. I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion on cgl of all places but that is literally what this thread is for so don't start with me.
>inb4 lolita is supposed to defy expectations of what women are supposed to be so don't tell them to act like lovelies!!!
Listen, I don't wish for women to be kind because they're women and that's what they're supposed to do, I wish for people to be decent regardless of their gender because it just makes the world a better and less annoying place to be. Also, I know clothes shouldn't change your personality, but lolita is supposed to be such a positive thing, yet we have so much pointless vitriol in the community that it legit turns curious girls off the fashion and that's a shame.

>>10341073
>swearing shows that you're a twat
uhh

>>10341073
In our culture is normal to swear unless there are kids around. Of course no one likes the vulgarest words but describing something with Fuck (fucking cute, fuckton) is normal.

>>10341081
cringy chuunibyou shit.

>>10341108
>murican culture is adding 'fuck' in front of literally everything
Ok
In many other countries it's considered annoying, rude and shows that you're trashy.

>>10341039
Burando shoes are shit quality though.
Only the leather ones are ok, I've had too many pleather shoes flake out on me so fuck that overpriced shit.

Sneakers are cute for casual lolita, fuck people like Tyler who can only coord in the same old cookie cutter style.
Experimentation keeps the style growing and fresh.

>>10341117
I’ve had multiple pairs of AP shoes that have lasted 7 years. It really is hit or miss. I also think a lot of people don’t mind the way they walk and act surprised when their shoes don’t last more than a year. Lolita shoes or regular.

Disabled people shouldn’t wear lolita. There’s a disabled lolita I follow and she has a nice wardrobe and coords but she’s posted about having to use a wheelchair in her daily life and all I can think of now is how stupid she must look rolling around in a wheelchair dressed in lolita. If she never posted about that I wouldn’t know but now the illusion has been broken and it just seems a waste that her pieces aren’t going to someone normal.

>>10341116
Ntayrt but I’m a Eurofag and it’s the same here.
Unless children are present, no one minds some „bad words“ every now and then.

>>10341028
creepshot ar ok

Bonnets look stupid and ugly. No wonder you are called little Bo Peep if you a wearing this nightmare

>>10341121
this is actually one of the most disgusting posts I've ever read.

>>10341039
my feet are half a cm too big, so this Brand Whore doesn't.

>>10341065
okay roleplayer.

>>10341081
>I find it so off-putting how so many lolitas have the most rotten personalities
>rotten

>>10341039
i do own brand shoes but...
Heres another unpopular opinion: I don't fucking care if someone is wearing replica shoes.

>>10341121
I might be on CGL right now, but you just sound like a shit person. I hope you end up in a wheelchair.

>>10341121
She likely doesn't look any weirder than an able-bodied lolita sitting down, which is an activity that those of us WITHOUT sticks up our asses do regularly. Get a hold of yourself.

>>10341123
Incorrect statements sure do make gr8 b8

People who only wear the fashion once a month shouldn't call themselves lolita.

>>10341121
I never make posts like this but it’s really the only explanation. You sound jealous of her wardrobe and you’re just latching onto some bullshit reason that she’s “unworthy.” What difference does her being in a wheelchair make to her coordination abilities? It’s not like lolita is a physically demanding hobby that you need to be fit for. You’re a terrible person.

>>10341120
Lolita brands put most of their effort into their main pieces, blouses, hair accessories, and for some, accessories. Shoes and bags are often an afterthought.

In order to make shoes and bags that would be at the quality standards of their main pieces, we'd be looking at designer costs. As big as AP and Baby/AATP is, it's still not worth their investment into making high quality shoes and bags.

Some of us might be willing to fork out $300+ for a nice pair of shoes or a heart or star shaped bag in a color, we almost always coordinate with. But if you're someone like me who literally owns probably 20+ bags, 20+ shoes, you're not going to spend that much for everything. You end up splurging on a few items worth your investment, and going cheaper or finding deals.

Hell, I have some taobao bags that are far nicer than anything I've owned from AP or Baby and will never peel and were also cheaper in price than shit I'd buy at Walmart or Target.

I've owned AP shoes and bags (bought new, never used with tag/packaging but 2nd hand) that peeled in 10 minutes, others that still look new after multiple wears. I tend to care for my stuff. Lolita is also a collecting hobby for me. So they're on par with figures or comic books in my mind. It's disappointing to invest money into these items and see them deteriorate so quickly when you are careful and gentle.

>>10341120
My regular shoes last for years but my baby ones just died after like 3 wears or something. I also live in a hot and humid country so it could be cause of that.
My bodyline shoes outlasted my Baby ones so I'm not sure how I feel bout that.

These days the only shoes I buy from brand are the JM leather ones

>>10341121
Gross

>>10341121
Just WTF soul damage does one have to actually believe this & post it?

>>10341146
>It’s not like lolita is a physically demanding hobby that you need to be fit for.
Tell that to all the people who claim they can't wear it because muh depresshun

Victorian maiden isn't lesser Mary Magdalene

Many of AP's recent releases look cheap.

>>>10341081
I have the opposite unpopular opinion, I think we should be more openly critical and rude.

>>10341121
>tfw if anon just replaced the disabled with fat, no one would bat an eye or reply

>>10341142
Aww get the fuck out. Real life situations may keep a person limited but their cash is invested, their time & passion is there. Once a month is fine. They may have 12 main pieces of brand and a fuck ton of accessory pieces. You don't know. You sound bitter. And the meets once a month might be what is keeping them alive and here on the cursed planet. It's a hobby fashion. Get over your unrealistic self imposed regulations. Should it be every day? 15 days a month? What is your stupid ass minimum a month to qualify?

>>10341165
Being disabled and having to use a wheelchair every day is not a choice. Being fat is. Huge difference.

>>10341166
Idc about your excuses, if you only wear lolita to meets and only once a month you're just playing dress up and aren't actually wearing it like a fashion.

>>10341116
Ayrt I’m eurofag too. Like this anon said >>10341122 it’s all about swearing moderately. Absolute prohibition is just stupid.

>>10341165
Did you seriously just compare being fat to being disabled

>>10341037
Thanks for reminding me how much I hate my legs

>>10341142
>only wore twice this past year due to pregnancy.

Well fuck, gotta earn my lolita card back.

>>10341142
Some people have good, professional jobs where they can't wear lolita, you know

>>10341167
Being fat is not a choice for everyone, ignorant cunt

I'm neutral about replicas.

>>10341181
Yes it is.

>>10341073
I really wish that people in my comm would get over their drag queen phase already.

>>10341168
My unpopular opinion is that the vast majority of lolitas use the fashion to play dress up, and that there’s nothing inherently wrong with that.

>>10341178
If you work 24h a day you should find a better job anon

>>10341181
It is for most people. This is coming from someone who has a thyroid disorder in addition to taking medication with weight gain side effects, and is working to get fit anyway.

>>10341187
That's not unpopular, or else there wouldn't have been anons immediately triggered by the first statement.

>>10341173
>implying fat people aren't disabled

>>10341183
I’m kind of the same way. Like I wouldn’t bitch at someone for wearing one because I think what they spend their money on is their choice, but I would never personally wear replicas because it’s just incredibly tacky

>>10341197
Mentally maybe. But being out of breath because you couldn’t put the fork down isn’t the same as being in a wheelchair because of a genetic issue or an accident. You are the only person who can make yourself fat.

>>10341184
>medical issues, mental health issues, eating disorders, and medication don't exist

>>10341181
>somebody baited with "sometimes fat people are ill/not at fault"
My prediction: shitflinging for minimum 8 hours, everybody will get accused of being a fatty-chan themselves at least once.

>>10341203
All maintaining weight boils down to is CICO. Even the typical excuses like thyroid problems or POCS only slow the metabolism down by a 100~ cal margin. Not enough to excuse being fat. You need to adjust your diet if you’re on a medication. Most medicines that “make you gain weight” only increase your appetite. Other medications require diet adjustments, like no eating x thing or drinking alcohol and people manage. So fatties should be expected to manage the weight gain. The only valid reason you listed is an eating disorder.

>>10341203
See this:>>10341189

I have a thyroid disorder, mental health issues such as bipolar, and I take medication that causes weight gain as a side effect. That’s three of the things you listed already, and I’m working on losing weight anyway because I don’t want to be fat. It makes it harder, but not impossible. It’s still a choice.

>>10341205
if you don't think mental health is a valid reason, you clearly don't know how horrible it can be

>>10341208
Ok fatty. See >>10341208 and stop making excuses.

>>10341207
>everyone's experience is going to be exactly like yours

>>10341208
Ok fatty. See >>10341207 and stop making excuses.

>>10341204
>and none of it will get deleted or moderated

>>10341212
>people who are so mentally ill that they can barely live daily life should be able to just lose weight!
you are gross

>>10341162
depression keeps you from doing activities you enjoy which isn't limited to lolita. sorry you don't have any other hobbies

>>10341215
Keep making excuses and you’ll keep being fat, which is clearly something you’re sensitive about and upsets you. Instead of getting upset with everyone else change yourself first so you won’t hate yourself so much and be bothered over people spitting facts.

>>10341216
Read the post again slowly, including to what it replies to.

>>10341215
Exercise can help mental health a lot, and so does being happier with your body

I think it's pretty weird that most people in the lolita community seem to think that we're some kind of hivemind or something, that all of us need to behave in a certain way. A while ago someone posted a photo of them with a pacifier in our local lolita community fb group and people told them not to wear a pacifier with lolita and the reason for it was "because it enforces the stigma lolita fashion has and we don't want to be associated with that kind of thing" and to me it's just so weird. Imagine telling a stranger not to do something because you think this stranger somehow is responsible to keep up with your ideals. It's even worse because I've heard our local community has events with burlesque and pole dancing, as if that doesn't make randos think lolita fashion is something sexual and fetish related.

There's constantly people going "don't wear this with lolita, don't do that while wearing lolita, you can't like thing x and lolita at the same time" and to me it's ridiculous.

>>10341216
You have the same mentality like fatties. Depression isn't physically holding you down from wearing a dress or performing hobbies.

>>10341222
it isn't physically doing anything, it's draining you mentally?

>>10341211
I’m aware that it’s difficult. I’ve experienced horrible depressive episodes that made it near impossible to do anything, much less exercise. I’ve seen myself just not lose weight even when trying and fear that it would be impossible. And for some people it may be even more difficult. But it’s almost never 100% impossible, and when people say it is, all that does is discourage others and make them think they’re stuck with a body they don’t like.

>>10341222
>not denying it
Sad!

>>10341221
Finland comm, right?

To think this started by someone shitting on a person with an actual disability bad enough to need a wheelchair daily and it turned into a shitfling fest when an upset fatty got triggered that people have empathy for a legitimate disability but not her unabletoputtheforkdownitis

>>10341224
Yes, exactly. It can take some joy out of your hobbys, but it doesn't freeze your body so you can't try them, hence why people who say they CAN'T wear lolita because muh depresshun are retarded and pretty much putting themselves on the level of actually disabled people.

>>10341227
>responding to half-assed personal attacks
You didn't try hard enough, but I guess that was also the fault of presshun.

>>10341231
anon, look up depression lack of motivation and you'll find your explanation. sorry some depressed girls have nicer wardrobes than you or a dress you want but shitposting about it won't change anything

>>10341232
lol what, do you think i'm the only other person itt. don't be retarded

>>10341233
Lack of motivation doesn't paralyze your body.

>>10341235
>not denying it
As expected

>>10341221
>It's even worse because I've heard our local community has events with burlesque and pole dancing

I'd like to know the story behind this. No shaming, I'm just wondering how did they make it work for lolita theme, like is dancer dressed as ero or something?

>>10341142
I own 100+ main pieces and haven't worn the fashion in half a year

>>10341237
>Lack of motivation doesn't paralyze your body.
it actually does.

>>10341243
Nayrt but No it fucking doesn’t. It makes it harder, sure. But you aren’t paralyzed.

>>10341243
Good job proving me right lel

>>10341217
>only fat people could possibly want to call out your discriminatory bullshit
sure jan

>>10341231
Depression is legally and medically considered a disability. You are really ignorant

>>10341246
I have never seen a person of a normal weight get this triggered over people saying an actual disabled person isn’t the same as someone who ate their way to being out of breath after walking a mile.

>>10341249
literally no one said it was the same. just said it's not always a choice.

>>10341248
You are not paralyzed and bound to a wheelchair, no one is holding you back from moving your body in order to put on lolita.

>>10341250
It is though, unless you have an eating disorder. It is your choice to eat more than you need. And that’s literally all that goes into getting fat, CICO.

>>10341250
Except someone ~literally~ did say it was the same upthread

>>10341253
Your mind can paralyze you and hold you back. That's why a lot of people can't even get out of bed. It's a legally recognized disability. Stop being ignorant

>>10341253
If you people used Google instead of shutting yourself into image boards all day this kind of posts could be avoided.

>>10341257
It does not physically paralyze you. How are you this dense? I’m saying this as someone who’s struggled with depression too. But I would be wholly retarded to try and say I was 100%, legit paralyzed by depression. It’s bad, you don’t have to dramatize it to make people understand that it’s bad. You just end up sounding ignorant and like a special snowflake who needs to be the sickest to feel special.

>>10341257
So do all depressed people just shit and piss in the bed then? That's new to me desu. How about your fingers and arms, how invisible depression people aren't paralyzing those muscles?

>>10341259
I did, but posting depression memes to show how helpless and relatable you are doesn't really constitute as proof.

>>10341260
No one who has actually been mentally ill would be this ignorant and cold about it. It doesn't "legit paralyze" people but it does LEGIT DISABLE them from doing many everyday things. It is a DISABILITY.

>>10341262
There's an entire spectrum of depression. Why are you willfully this ignorant.

>>10341266
>No one who has actually been mentally ill would be this ignorant and cold about it.

YOU are the ignorant one to think everyone’s experience is the same. Believe it or not people can have experienced mental illness and not want to throw the worlds biggest pitty party for themselves over it. Nice backtracking though. For several posts it was all about how it “paralyzed!!” People, but now it’s just a disability? Nobody is arguing it’s not a disability, just that it does not paralyzed people nor is it the same as needing a fucking wheelchair every day.

>>10341266
See >>10341253
And where is that spectrum suddenly coming from, I thought a lot of depressed people are paralyzed?

>>10341032
None of them fit my feet...

>>10341249
>I've never seen it so it must not happen!
Get some new one liners while you're at it. It's getting stale.

>>10341250
Nayrt, let's say fat is not a choice due to some medical conditions that prevent person from losing it unless they starve themselves to death, okay. But does it low the quality of life as much as disability do so people should feel equally sorry for that?

>>10341222
You don't consider the brain to be physical?

>>10341276
No they shouldn’t. Fat people did it to themselves.

>>10341279
No, your mind does not paralyze your muscles.

>>10341282
It's kind of sad you're zooming in on 1 word in order to win an argument

>>10341205
I think I need to get checked gulls, 1200 a day for two weeks, using scales to calorie count, not drinking my calories 0lbs lost. I am 5'3. Just went down to 600 cals. I am overweight but not deathfat.

>>10341282
Nayrt but it does lol. Read up on neural plasticity

>>10341284
No you don’t. You’ve hit a plateau. If you aren’t underestimating your calorie intake, you can expect to see a sudden drop within the next 4-6 weeks on the scale. It’s called the whoosh effect. Where you are losing fat but hold onto water so it looks like you’re the same weight but then the number on the scale suddenly drops once the water weight stops clinging

>>10341283
You mean like >>10341279 ? There is nothing to win, it's a fact that depressed people aren't actually paralyzed no matter how hard you try to twist it or try to move goalposts.

>>10341284
I tried to lose weight by dieting alone. I was super strict with calorie counting and it did fuck all. The only thing that really worked was cardio for 20 mins or more, 3x a week, and eating relatively healthily.

>>10341289
You are the only one who cares so much that some anon used the word paralysed and you took it too literally

>>10341293
You probably just messed up calorie counting. It’s very easy to do. Look up the show “secret eaters.”

>>10341295
Nayrt. There’s been more than one person calling the anon for using the word paralyzed for ages and then backtracking once called out for it

>>10341295
>twisting a conversation that is readible and less than a day old it this much
The original point was that some depressed lolitas act like they are on the same level as paralyzed people in a wheelchair and several anons itt proved that statement right kek.
I'd love to see your spoony asses roll into a meet for paraplegics and explain to them how you "literally can't move :'(". Please go ahead and report back how it turned out.

>>10341284
What about your measurements? That shows loss a lot more honestly than the scale.

>>10341284
If you feel it necessary, see a doctor. 600 is very low and not typically healthy in the long run. Focus on being healthy; make sure the calories are of quality. If you aren't already incorporating cardio and resistance training consider doing so. These things will help to promote your immune system, bone strength. muscle definition and have the added benefit of yellow fat reduction. Keep at your goals and be well.

>>10341081
I agree

Only Eastern Asian girls, particularly Japanese, look good in lolita. Black girls are sometimes cute too. White chicks ruin this fashion, are almost always too fat and their faces look extremely old and androgynous, which doesn’t fit the cutesy image and it makes them look like some freak show dudes.

>>10341314
This is the most tired b8. And black girls are the antithesis or what looks good in lolita. So extra b8

>>10341314
>>10341315

>>10341032
Same with bags. IW bags are hot garbage, i've owned bags by SWIMMER which are the same quality. BPN is alright bags wise, but it's best to just buy a VW one or something.

>>10341136
This is a character flaw that Momoko needs to overcome by the end of the movie (her rotten soul). You missed the point of this scene.

>>10341081
Ehhh mixed bag on this. Even outside of lolita, people should just be nice and not act like an asshole for the sake of it. I am okay with gatekeeping because if we were more inclusive, lolita would disintegrate into maid outfits and whoreish goth outfits. Gatekeeping and criticism is necessary in order to maintain lolitas "sanctity". That being said, a lot of lolitas are mean and critical for the sake of it, or just because they think being mean is the ultimate way to fit in with other lolitas. It's funny to me how the meanest, bitchiest lolitas are often the ugliest or the least well dressed. They act mean because they care more about being top dog and fitting in, rather than an actual love of the fashion. They just wanna punch down to look good.

>>10341241
ok roleplayer

>>10341284
you're just going to rebound if you do this and fuck up your metabolism further. this is not healthy and you won't lose weight.

>>10341323
Better than being called a hoarder I guess

>>10341248
Do you know that psychiatrists make up illnesses? So people would have to take heavy drugs that causes addiction and it's a lot of money actually.

>>10341335
They don't make them up, they just misdiagnose and overdiagnose whenever possible for the reason you stated.

>>10341343
>>10341335
>being this american

>>10341065
haha I remember you
I smoked weed in my brand yesterday and drank and had fun with my friends. It was a wonderful time and I regret nothing.

>>10341284
Use a TDEE calculator. At your height you can lose weight around 1k cals with exercise. 1200 is slightly over your natural tdee at your height.

>>10341168
I am a lifestyler, I just don't think putting minimums on people is right. So what is your minimum number that they must wear the fashion to be called a, "Lolita?" What is it. And who determined this. It's ridiculous, just another way to divide the community and create hate.

It's ridiculous to say that lolita is just clothes and to shame people for wearing it during being in their little state at the same time. It's like "just clothes but you should wear it only when we approve"

>>10341385
>being this upset about it despite being a "lifestyler"
Just stop larping already jfc, I'd rather have you post about how drinking tea makes you a lolita at heart.

>>10341121
Shitting on fatties is fine, but disabled/mental retarded aren't? lmao

drag is mysoginistic as fuck and has no place in lolita,nor should be praised.

>>10341230
I think this is because most of the wheelchair lolitas are fat ones who use them part time, as an accessory or just to avoid getting exercise

>>10341402
We've gone over this. Being fat is a choice. Being disabled isn't.

>>10341406
This is the UNpopular opinion thread anon

>>10341387
I don't think people have an issue with private sex lives and lolita, it's when people have to put the two together publicly and give the impression that the fashion is just a kink.

>>10341414
you haven"t seen all the sjws "yassss kween"ing at them and in the same voice defend women's right and being against caricatures

>>10341335
>>10341343
you fucking dunces

>>10341414
>>10341406
popular on /cgl/, but most lolitas seem to like drag.

>>10341387
No one gives a shit what you do in private in your cothes. People wear their lolita stuff while doing kinky shit all the time.

But when you post your weird fetish shit on the internet, you're inviting lolitas and normies to comment on it and bringing attention to stuff about yourself that should be PRIVATE. Unless you're posting to a little comm, no viewer wants to see your pedokink bullshit. And no lolita wants randos assuming their jfash is a fetish thing.

chiffon blouses are great and are the only way i can wear lolita when it's hot and humid here, which is most of the year. chiffon haters can kiss my ass

>>10341168
You sound like a teenager with no full time job to be this deluded.

>>10341469
You sound like you do nothing but sit on your ass after work is done.

>>10341406
the point of drag is to make fun of those perceptions of women, anon. Just because your head is too empty to tell doesn't mean you're right.

>>10341406
>>10341418
>>10341423
>conflating drag and lolita
spicy

>>10341387
It's ridiculous to have a pedokink and expect people not to think you're weird, anon.

>>10341481
it's just typical radfem posting and talking points, as usual
god knows this board just exists to act like a dumbass and then get mad people call you a dumbass

>>10341480
>to make fun of those perceptions of women
if it were women doing it, ok. But men?
nayrt but still reads as misogynistic to me.

>>10341486
The practice began due to harassing gay men by the stereotype of them being feminine, so they mock people who mock women. Not everything a man does is misogynistic, if anything they're on your side.

>>10341028
My unpopular opinion is that large headbows are ugly. They aren't going to completely ruin an otherwise good coord granted, but they're the worst form of headwear and I've never seen a case that wouldn't look better if anything else were used in the same color and aesthetic.

No, this isn't a "oh skinny pretty asians can pull it off!" thing, either. No exceptions.

>>10341492
i hate this opinion. truly unpopular

>>10341493
Thanks, I tried to follow the thread theme like OP requested. I do keep this to myself in public since I know it's not the general consensus lol

>>10341489
This actually makes sense and I can understand where they're coming from, but I can't be the only one who kinda thinks it's not entirely dissimilar to 'hurr I was only pretending to be retarded' meanwhile women still end up being the butt of the joke.

>>10341489
Thanks for this explanation. I don't know much about drag but I felt like there had to be a reasonable history to it.

>>10341506
Women do reverse drag too for comedy though. One of the funniest skits I've seen is the "Cacao" skit from Portlandia where the male and female comedians dress up as the opposite gender and act out a ridiculous scenario based on a safe word taken to extremes.

I wish sweet lolita would just become a different fashion entirely. All the retarded drama, sissy stuff, and ddlg stuff comes from sweet lolitas. The spiciest thing I can think of that came from gothic and classic lolitas is how Fanny Rose is whiney about her likes or maybe crazy old moitie ita.

Does anyone else really wish they could be Asian and cute? White girls are ugly and don’t suit lolita at all, and it makes me hate myself.

>>10341489
it perpetuates stereotypes of women being catty bitches who are obsessed with makeup and clothes. it's one step below blackface. it's disgusting.

>>10341537
no thanks, i enjoy actually having tits and ass instead of having the body of a 10 yr old

>>10341537

Good.

>>10341539
Cope.

>>10341539
Lolita isn’t supposed to be sexualized

>>10341537
>>10341539
Two wildly different approaches to self-hatred; both equally racist; well-done. Very interesting.

>>10341547
It’s funny when people on here try and b8 with the “only Asians look good in lolita” because lolita is just Japanese people ripping off white historical fashion. And also how badly so many Japanese people want to be white.

>>10341550
Why the fuck would a Japanese person want to be white?

>>10341553
You can’t be serious. I refuse to believe anyone who managed to find themselves on this site doesn’t know Japans fascination with blonde foreigners.

>>10341553
Because whites are superior. But >>10341557 is right, basically all Japanese makeup techniques that get used frequently nowadays are to mimick white features. Eyelid tape to give them double eyelids/bigger eyes, lightening their skin, nose shadow to give them taller noses, etc.

>>10341546
i don't wear lolita for 100% of my life. i want to look sexy in my lingerie or date night outfits, thx

>>10341537
Japanese girls mostly think the opposite, that it suits white people more.

>>10341553
not all of them but plenty of japanese girls use eye tape, stuff their bras, wear padded underwear etc to try and look more like westerners

>>10341514
I completely agree with this.

>>10341514
>>10341563
thirding

>>10341561
Implying that Japanese people don't have double eyelids. This is so stupid to assume that Asians do these things to emulate Westerners.

I can’t understand lolitas who only wear lolita to meets or cons. What’s the point of spending hundreds of dollars on an outfit you’re too scared to wear out of the house unless there’s other people to act as a buffer? Why even get into an alternative fashion, especially one of the most expensive ones, if you’re going to be such a puss about it?

>>10341570
>This is so stupid to assume that Asians do these things to emulate Westerners.
But they literally do, I think everyone has noticed by now that K pop stars and filter apps like meitu try and look as white as possible.

>>10341477
Yeah duh, cause I get home at 7pm from work? Do you expect people to put on lolita after work to lounge at home?
What flavour of crazy are you.

>>10341572
Same can be applied to cosplay
>why spend hundreds for a costume you’re going to wear to a con

>>10341573
In what world do kpop stars look white?
Sorry but the world doesn't revolve round you.

>>10341576
I mean I hold similar views to cosplays but at least cosplayers don’t hold on so fervently onto the idea that their hobby isn’t just wearing a costume occasionally

>>10341574
Nayrt but what sweatshop are you working at that you have zero days off a week to wear lolita? I have one max a week and wearing lolita makes me feel like I’m truly making the best of my free day.

>>10341577
Looks pretty heavily influenced by white instagram beauty trends to me, especially the girl with the red hair.

>>10341582
That anon specifically mentioned after work, so yeah. I do wear lolita on the weekends when I can, but sometimes I travel for work so I wear it 2 times a month tops.
The irony is that I have all the money for burando, but no time to wear it.

>>10341584
I don't see it, they don't look anything like those beauty youtubers with thick ass makeup.
Also girl with the red hair is half white so. yeah

>>10341573
>>10341550

These make me glad something like >>10339915 and Lulu exists, even though I normally find them a bit too much and rather ridiculous.

They aren't trying to look white, ya idiot. There'd be more apps that xiuxiumeitued them into white girls rather than BJD abominations if that were true. Even Lulu picked Asian moe animu aesthetics rather than a whitey Barbie doll to emulate.

>>10341585
Shame, I’m in a similar boat. Hope you get to a point in your career where you can carve out more free time for the things that make you happy.

>>10341032
Same with the AP pleather purses
those things peel, fade, and wrinkle like crazy. It's a shame since they're so cute

>>10341570
who else are they trying to emulate by simulating big tits and ass? not to mention dying their hair blonde and wearing blue contacts

>>10341570
>eyelid tape
>white eyeliner on waterline
>circle lenses
>shooping their eyes bigger
>doing absolutely everything they can to make their eyes look big and round

>>10341593
Get the patent ones if you can, those are the only ones that have lasted for me.

>>10341610
>>10341610

>>10341561
Im pretty sure the average japanese girl is fine with how she looks just how the average westerner is fine with how she looks. it's only mentally ill women who spend too much time obsessing over appearances who do anything like this

>>10341588
Thanks anon, you too.
Work is a challenge but I just take it as an investment for a stable future. Lolita is just a frivolous hobby, so it takes the backseat for now.

My opinion— theres a huge difference between boobloafing and just being big breasted in lolita. Loafing would look constricted and have a weird flat yet bulging profile on the chest. Being big breasted at least you can tell its two, not one, and they still keep their rounded shape.

I dont think cgl can tell a difference since we have major hateboners for anyone above a C cup, but i dont think its fair to say anyone with tits is automatically loafing. Pic for example of what i see as proper loaf

>>10341029
Petticoats are underwear though, historically and currently. This is lolita, not cheap rockabilly swing shit. It looks terrible and unkempt.

>>10341623
Possibly non an unpopular opinion but big boobs have no place in lolita.
Burando looks like trash if you have huge cow tits, pic related. At most you can custom make a dress but it still won't look great.

>>10341073
So how’s the autism going?

>>10341321
She was referring to OP you moron

>>10341629
As someone who was skinny and is now fat with big boobs I agree. I can hide them with a binder with a select few dresses but I stopped wearing lolita because it looks like shit on me now and I’m trying to lose weight before I do again. There are other fat girls in my comm who are like “dont not wear it if it makes you happy!!! You don’t need to be skinny” with all this body positive hullshit and they don’t realise that I don’t hate my body I just think it doesn’t suit the style and therefore wearing it doesn’t make me happy. I love the fashion and I miss it a lot but I refuse to wear it and look like shit. I have near 100 brand pieces just waiting for me to get my shit together lmao

>>10341570
They literally created a self proclaimed halfu trend in which they tried to make themselves a look half white lmao Jesus it’s a thing there

>>10341537
This is bait

Jsk, especially sweet, look really ageplayish while worn with blouses.
Like, i wore normie blouse and jumperskirt when i was 7 and younger and i believe most of you too. But adults dont wear this, so it's really an ageplayish thing

>>10341637
No they don’t, you’re thinking of pinafores which are also worn by adults. Just because they don’t bear you, doesn’t mean they aren’t worn. Many fashions and styles wear tops and blouses under dresses...

>>10341639
Near*

>>10341623
I wear a 65E and I think stuffing your boobs into dresses not meant to accommodate them looks trashy and pathetic. Most Japanese clothing wasn't designed for my body type. That's just life. It's why I'm learning to alter and sew my own clothing so that it actually flatters me and doesn't make me look like I'm borrowing a smaller girl's clothes.
Also certain MM dresses are surprisingly busty so I'm hoping to hunt down more of those.

>>10341632
You can do it, anon! I'm rooting for you to get down to a good weight to wear your favourite clothes again.

>>10341586
No she’s not, she’s just full Thai

>>10341637
Pinafore dresses are all over normie fashion and overall dresses and skirts are really in right now.

>>10341652
Ah right the Swiss guy's her stepfather. I don't really care about kpop, always just thought she was mixed.

>>10341032
Exactly this, my AP shoes fell apart after one wear... honestly such poor quality

>>10341406
>dressing up and acting like bimbofied version of a woman while real women cheer them on is totally not sexist and not perpetuating stereotypes, it's to fight back against other men who were homophobic decades ago
Gay men get away with being disgustingly misogynistic way too often. Does everybody who's defending this know how drags call us? "Fishy" because that's how our vaginas supposedly stink like. But go on, throw your money at them and be their knight in shining armor whenever somebody says that this has got nothing to do with our fashion.
It's not like there aren't enough degenerates in lolita already, let' s welcome "womanfacers" too.

>>10341537
I 100% agree, it's my biggest (and sadly impossible) dream.
I always suffered because of my tall height and matureness but since I got interested in lolita that feeling turned much worse. I never thought of myself as curvy but now I can't help but feel disgusted by my cowtits. Same with looking old.
I would never say this out aloud to not make others feel bad about themselves but I don't think any white girls look cute in lolita, it always looks like ageplay - especially if you're as huge as me. Most of us simply look too big and too haggard faced next to japanese girls. Black girls at least of round noses and fuller lips, but white noses are simply too big and our lips too thin, that's just an old people trait and therefore the opposite of that suits lolita. Even out hair is too thin and frizzy for most lolita styles and sadly many also don't bother enough with foundation to make their skin look even and not red and wrinkly.
I wish I could make myself unlike japanese things and instead turn to stuff that fit the way I look but it's too late lol

>>10341629
Not all girls with big breasts are fat. A slender figure with big breasts can look just fine in lolita

>>10341679
If you have cow tits you will look fat in lolita no matter what, since the rest of your slim body is hidden. People will just think you're a fatty who happens to have somewhat slim forearms and calves but they'll assume that the rest of your body underneath the dress is fat too.

>>10341684
Who hurt you, chestlet?

>>10341348
Your parents must be so proud

>>10341688
Throwing that right back at you. Only women with small breasts don't know the problems of having big ones.
Boobs are literally useless, I wish I magically could get rid of them.

>>10341698
You can surgically lessen them, retard

>>10341674
Wear gothic and embrace the haggardness, it's part of the aesthetic.

>>10341679
The way lolita is cut just doesn't fit big boobs, sure you can squeeze in when you're thin but the proportions would still look off.

>>10341684
You seem way too concerned about this anon.

>>10341734
Nayrt but surgery is costly and full of risks. Not everyone can get them.

>>10341489
Ayrt and I hope to be able to see male drags in a better light some day. But, for now, I feel like the stereotypes men are mocking are still very much the identity of many women out there. Also, the way many represent their bodies, as products, but only when dressed as overlysexual women, feels like a disservice to me.

Anyway I'll stop here. Thanks for taking your time to explain it.

>>10341221
Just compare what’s normal behavior. Is using a pacifier as a fashion accessory seen normal? Nope. Are pole dancing and burlesque normal hobbies with adults? Yes.

Lolita fashion can be lavish and doesn’t look normal to all people but wearing clothes, dresses and bows in your hair is normal or was at some point in our history.

>>10341574
That sounds like you have some freetime before your shift. Man I really shouldn't have to tell you to wear the clothes you claim to love and be passionate about, there is always some occasion and opportunities to make unless you are some third world slave. There are plenty activities yiu can do in the evening too, you just choose to miss out on them.

>>10341560
In early questionnaires they called the white burando models ugly.

>>10341539
>>10341688
>>10341679
>>10341623
C O P E

>>10341039
People who care about their feet. I buy Yosuke because leather wears so much better.

>>10341734
>Doctor, I'd like you to amputate my breasts.
>Why anon? They seem to be normal sized? Do you have back pain? Are you trans?
>No, but in the frilly japanese fashion I like being as flat as a boy is the superior look!

>>10341740
I'm so tired of everybody acting as if surgery is no big deal. Nowadays you can't complain about a thing without immeadiately getting told to just get surgery. Just because I'm not willing to go as far as ps, doesn't mean that it's not a big problem for me.

>>10341736
Maybe in normal goth but gothic lolitas are still supposed to look cute and youthful.

>>10341748
That's interesting. Do you happen to know the source? I only remember model-san and this girl modelling for VM in the very early GLBs.

>>10341648
I feel like >>10341623 was misunderstood based off these replies.

The unpopular opinion is i think its possible to look good in lolita with a larger-than-c-cup chest if the dresses fit (which there are some that do). But people automatically call anything more than chestlet a loaf when it doesnt even look uncomfortable or squashed, just bigger.

That being said, you have ACTUAL cow tits. Holy shit. This was more in reference to people who have maybe a D cup, not tits so big they dont even look good in normie clothing.

>>10341753
>But people automatically call anything more than chestlet a loaf
No, they really don't if you actually wear clothing that fits.

>>10341752
No one was saying about amputation dumbass. You don't need any reasons to reduce your tits a size or two, the only limitation is that you can't actually remove it

>>10341743
I didn't say anything about what's normal. My point is that people telling others not to do/like/wear something while wearing lolita because they're scared it will affect how some random person on the street will view all lolitas is dumb. The pacifier thing was just an extreme example that happened recently and got me thinking.

This attitude happens with very little things too. "Don't mix up your cosplay hobby with lolita, we are not cosplayers and don't want anyone who's not familiar with lolita to think so. Don't carry your ita bag while wearing lolita, we don't want people to think this is an anime thing. Don't wear a garterbelt with lolita, it looks too sexual and gives strangers the wrong idea. Don't go to pride parade in lolita, there's people wearing fetish gear and we don't want people to think lolita is fetish gear too." I've seen all kinds of dumb takes on how people are telling others how to live their life just because they're scared it will somehow "tarnish" lolita and affect how someone else views the fashion.

Why should we care if some stranger is wearing a pacifier? It's ok not to like it, but going ahead and telling them not to have it with lolita because you don't want to be associated withit and it might make others think lolita is age play is dumb. If you arrange a meet up and someone shows up with a pacifier, I think then it might be ok to ask them to put it away because it's not appropriate, but who are you to tell others what to do on their own time?

Why do you wear fashion that's based around the idea of not caring about what others think if that's all you think about?

>>10341752
http://web.archive.org/web/20080919214537/http://hillieras.ld.infoseek.co.jp/gothloli/fuman.html

>>10341168
Honest question: what if I just like playing dress up? Does that make me a bad person?

>>10341746
Honey I don't do shift work, it's a regular 9 to 5 job that pays well. I do activities in the evening but just not in lolita, why would I change out of work clothes to lolita just for a 2 hour dinner? I don't know what planet you live on.
I love lolita but I wear it only when I can, which is the weekends. It's called being an adult with responsibilities.

>>10341753
65E isn’t actually all that big. It’s sister size to a 70D or 75C.

>chestlets
>cow tits
Do you just disapprove of anything that’s not your own size or...?

>>10341756
You're ddlg fetish is disgusting, it's universal opinion and not limited to lolita. Thinking about you tarnishing it with your pedo fetish and getting off on it is disgusting. It's the same with sissies. And I've literally never heard or read any of the things you quoted in the 11 years I've been wearing lolita.

>>10341759
No, but then at least be honest about it and call yourself what you are, a cosplayer.

>>10341760
>why would I change out of work clothes to lolita just for a 2 hour dinner?
>I love lolita but I wear it only when I can
Checks out.

>>10341753
>not tits so big they dont even look good in normie clothing.
You do realize that most normie stuff at least in the US is made with busty girls in mind right? Or at least to give off an illusion that a girl is bustier than she looks?

Either way it's not that hard for me to find lolita stuff or normie stuff that I like in my size since I'm mainly into moitie OPs and some IW thrown in.

>>10341760
>it's a regular 9 to 5 job
>I get home at 7pm from work
Do you work in another country?

>>10341756
I have no problem with mixing weebshit and lolita as long as it isn't that retarded ass 'cosplaylita' garbage, but DDLG is literally just pedophilia.

>>10341222
It physically drains your energy though?? That’s literally one of the major symptoms

>>10341758
Thanks, that's interesting.
>The top photo on the new [Victorian] Maiden homepage is SCAAAA-RY!! Setting aside the makeup and the fact that they used a foreigner, isn't that close-up just too close? With their adjustments to the level of detail in their clothes and using a foreign model, is Maiden trying to say "If you don't have a body like this, don't dress lolita!"? (rueful smile)
>Yes! I totally agree!! What's so "Victorian" about that picture!? And that model is no "maiden (young girl)"!! Grr!
I guess this is the girl I posted, she was in a few photoshoots of theirs.

>[Victorian] Maiden's foreign model and Metamorphose's coordinate model--they're both too extreme to be of any use when imagining what I'd look like in the clothes. (rueful smile)
>Metamorphose's models sure are ugly! I shrank back a little when I saw the blonde one in person. Sorry for being frank. I was discontented with her.
I can't really remember Meta using a foreign model back then? Does anybody know?

>>10341755
I already said that my tits aren't extremely big, just too huge to look good in lolita. 2 sizes less wouldn't leave me with much, so most doctors wouldn't do that. Also, complications and ugly scarring could happen.

>>10341492
Not if you have big hair to balance it out.

Realistic cat ears with lolita look as bad as cheap cosplay ones

>>10341758
>I'm not particularly fat, but I'm tall, so I've had passers-by say, "Whoa, look at the Giant Lolita!" (cries) I was really sad. If you're fat, you can diet, but tall people can't shrink!! (screams)
Reading stuff like this makes me sad. If they already consider tall japanese girls (so ~165cm?) an abomination, just how disgusted are they by much taller white girls?
Even Misako told a tall lolita that she should stick to gothic instead of sweet... Most short girls don't even realize how lucky they are.

>>10341763
Ok roleplayer, you're the best lolita. You win. Want a cookie?

>>10341766
Figuratively 9 to 5, I end at 6 ish and go to the gym.

>>10341766
Some commutes are long, especially with bad traffic. Their point is that work life and full Lolita doesn’t mix well and we know that’s true.

I wear dresses casually to work but it isn’t a full outfit. >>10341766

>>10341168
Nayrt but you sounds like a salty poorfag.
If you get a job that allows you to wear lolita daily then good for you. But that's not the case for majority of the adult lolitas who can hold down proper work.

And no, wearing your bodyline daily doesn't make you any better than the rest of us.

>>10341786
>wearing a fashion more than to meets and your local con and actually in your everyday life is somehow a foreign concept out of this world and something so impossible to master that it must be roleplaying
Like I said, just be honest (to yourself too) instead of lying to justify how you absolutely can't wear the fashion you "love" so much and how anyone else saying otherwise must be a teen/jobless/roleplaying/bitter/not have responsibilities/any other cope.

>>10341787
I'm convinced that the anon who said it is just some teenager who doesn't know how real life works. But it is a truly unpopular opinion so they're in the minority anyways.

>>10341791
Uh I barely go to meets and cons in lolita, when I do wear it out it's to have tea with friends or just do shopping.
What's your point? You're assuming that people who wear lolita rarely are only wearing it for special events.

>>10341789
These copes are just getting pathetic at this point. How am I salty or poor for saying that lolita should be worn as a fashion? I had a regular 9-5 too for 4 years and still wore lolita almost daily whenever I had the chance because it made me happy. You are just hiding behind excuses and talking and circlejerking yourselves into being completely unable to.

>>10341798
>I barely go to meets
>when I do wear it out it's to have tea with friends or just do shopping
right
>What's your point?
Do you read what you're replying to?

>>10341800
So what you wear lolita at home or just out for dinner? Good for you, but that level of fanaticism doesn't make you a better lolita. That school run lady wore lolita daily and she looked ita af.
The number of times you wear lolita doesn't matter, you're a lolita as long as you wear lolita fashion.

>>10341803
Yeah so why is someone wearing lolita like once a month to do normal stuff considered "cosplaying"? Your narrow standard makes no sense.
If someone only rarely wore lolita to attend cons and meets I'd probably agree with you more on that.

>>10341793
I'm not sure how unpopular it is actually, unless it's just the same person spamming their ridiculous opinion all over this board.

>>10341815
I've heard of people not considering conlitas as "real" lolitas, which while extreme is somewhat understandable.
That anon's hardline standard of 1 time a month is ridiculous, and I don't think I've really seen it repeated on this board much.

Also it seems to be just them replying to every post that tells them that it's a stupid standard, so I'd warrant it's not that common an opinion.

>>10341810
>wearing lolita daily or like an actual fashion is fanaticism and ridiculous
>all you can do outside of work is being at home or eat dinner
Unironically sad, The absolute state.

>>10341811
You are playing dress up for specific events instead of treating it like clothing.
>If someone only rarely wore lolita to attend meets
That's literally what you yourself described lmao.

>>10341815
This is the first time I'm posting that opinion here.

>>10341821
Nayrt but that anon literally said they wore lolita out just to do normal stuff. How's that cosplaying? Do you even know the definition of cosplay?

I mostly wear lolita at home to take photos for social media, cause I'm too lazy to go out in my coords.
But since I do that almost every weekend by >>10341142 's definition I'm more lolita than people who wear it out once a month to do regular stuff, that's hilarious.

>>10341756
Haha I think you hit the nail on this one, and now sensitive people are offended, oh no xD

I think women with an ugly face look better in pirate lolita than women with a cute or beautiful face

>>10341651
Thanks! I’m working hard to get my weight down, not just for the clothes but for my health. I always thought fatty chans were delusional but now that I am one it’s solidified it for me, I’m not even that overweight and I feel horrible physically. Health at every size my ass lmfaoo

There's nothing more pathetic than fat people being all "fatty-chans are gross/greedy/lazy/stinky - and I know that because I'm one myself! But unlike them I'm not in denial about it!" just so that skinny people pat them on the back and tell them they're good and sensible fats.
Just shut up. An obese person is an obese person. People can't see what's on the inside, nobody gives af that you yourself also feel disgusted by your body, people will treat and judge you exactly the same as they treat and judge everybody else too. Looking down on others despite not looking good yourself? Congrats, you have a weight problem and superiority complex, what a lovely person. If you're ugly at least don't be a cunt to other uglies.
Not only directed at >>10341851 I constantly see this behavior on here.

>>10341514
seriously, what is with sweet lolitas and all the drama they carry? Every slightly popular sweet lolita has active and annoying vendettas. Is it because sweet attracts younger girls or womanchildren? it's horrible out there.

>>10341905
>only sweets have drama
Have y'all forgotten about all the edgelords in the old school discord?

>>10341913
And apparently cicada-chan... and the countless other examples of drama done by goths and classics. It’s just b8.

>>10341914
I feel like sweet gets the most itas/fatties/tumblrinas but when it comes to girls with shitty personalities sadly all substyles get their share

>>10341916
Sweet is the most popular sub style so there are obviously going to be more people in it to be shitty. It has nothing to do with the sub style itself outside of the numbers of people in it despite what retards on /cgl/ will tell you.

>>10341696
Yes, actually. They are proud of me for making kind friends who I feel safe around and being confident enough to wear what I want around them. My mom smokes a couple of times a year. It's nice having a loving and supportive family.

>>10341761
>not actually that big

You must be fat to think 65 inches in ANY part of your body is an ok measurement.

>>10341175
lose weight fat

>>10342018
I’m not even a Eurofag and even I knew it wasn’t in inches. goddamn you must be stupid

>>10341778
>I can't really remember Meta using a foreign model back then? Does anybody know?

I think they're were talking about a japanese model with blonde hair in this fashion show. There's couple unfortunate looking girls and bad styling.

>>10342020
They're not even fat, just thick, unfortunately.

>>10342026
*they

>>10342028
Same, fuck. I'm borderline underweight but I carry like all my weight in my thighs.

>>10342028
lose the weight

Lolita is a costume.

This is petty, but I hate when people do Instagram shoutouts for others and you always shout out one persons when they ask, but they’ll never do it for you

>>10342030
anyone know what dress is the one on top left

>>10342047
Newfag

>>10341572
Speaking of expensive dresses, they usually require a flashy coord and a certain amount of time invested in makeup, hair and putting everything together. No way I am going to spent 3 hours on dressing to take out a garbage bag.

>>10342048
I gone thru all of the earlier years of lolibrary for meta and still cant find it
I know it was one of the ones that museum curator had but I just cant remember the name

>>10342057
Nta but saying that all lolita coords are flashy and require hours of makeup makes you sound exactly like the kind of coslita they’re complaining about. Are you just baiting?

>>10341637
I kind of agree regarding myself and white blouses in particular. I cannot help but see a middle school kid in a mirror when I try on a jsk over a white blouse. Or a middle school teacher at best if the jsk is long enough.
I don't see this problem with others though.

>>10342059
>all lolita coords are flashy
I never said that.
>>Are you just baiting?
Are you?

>>10342065
Not any of the anons you reply to, but saying it's usually required still proves their point.

>>10341637
When I was a kid I wore jeans or overalls and t-shirts or sweatshirts. Like most white 90s kids. My first jumperskirt style dress was from the Gap of all things when I was 23, so...

>>10342058
They were just shitposting. No one knows more info except for that one mercari listing that the curator bought and later sold, nor is that dress extremely well known.

>>10342058
They were just shitposting. No one knows more info except for that one mercari listing that the curator bought and later sold, nor is that dress extremely well known. According to the original listing it was a dress only made for the fashion show.

People don't understand that the lolita clothing is pretty cheap to make and specially ap and moitie are made cheap as shit and it's almost the same as buying suprime, just for the name. The materials are cheap the labor is even cheaper because if it wasn't we would be buying 700 dollar dresses. It's made in western standards slave labor. I wonder when replicas become better quality and better fitted that the og. I ain't gonna buy 1000 dollar moitie used with colors coming off when I can make better quality dress, and it actually fucking fits.

>>10342093
ok then make it yourself

>>10342093
Moitie is expensive and worth the price because it's made with love...

I highly doubt your stubby fatty fingers can achieve that but go on, try and make your own so that we have something to laugh about.

>>10342093
You're crazy, and also underestimating the talent and work that goes into design.

>>10342043
I agree

To further the shoutout complaints, I hate when people post S4S story games and then repost every shoutout they get from other people. When half your stories are you shouting yourself out (it doesn't matter that you've written "aww tysm!" alongside it, a spade is a spade) it makes you look like a narcissist.

>>10342057
>No way I am going to spent 3 hours on dressing to

Wtf? How ugly are you.

It takes me like 20 mins to put myself together 30 if I'm doing more extensive makeup but like jesus fucking christ anything over an hour is insane.

>>10342093
Ah I found the person who knows nothing about cost of labor and materials

>>10341576
Nayrt but I disagree. Lolita was born as street fashion and is meant to wear in public. Cosplay is a costume and was never meant to wear in public. Besides, the fun part of cosplay is making it, and lolita doesn't really have that so it's even less of a hobby than cosplay is if you're not wearing it regularly desu

>>10342093
>I ain't gonna buy 1000 dollar moitie used with colors coming off when I can make better quality dress, and it actually fucking fits.

When buying 1k bucks dress used, you're basically doing it for the name and popularity, not the material/labor cost.

>>10342093
Can you go be a butthurt fatty somewhere else thnx

>>10342084
it was on mercari? i could have sworn it was on yahoo auctions
its been so long I dont think anyone would have the link so ill search through that, thank you!
but yeah thats what I though, its been a while so was thinking maybe there has been more info on it now

>>10342093
> I can make better quality dress
besides having some exquisite sewing skills you might need some illustration practice for doing prints. it takes years to learn drawing and work on some recognisable and appealing style.

Pink and red coordinates are boring and predictable, you see one you've seen them all.

>>10342116
Right? Like all you have to do is wander into a fabric store and compare the price of nice, high-quality cotton vs. cheapo crap.

>>10342093
Sometimes people get those for the sake of status. That piece has to cost a grand so one is able to be flexing around.

>>10342133
I also dislike pink and red, most of the time it's like visual nails on a chalkboard to me.

>>10342157
Right? And the way people coordinate it is typically the most predictable thing ever. Oh, she's got an AP cherry print in the pink colorway? I sure do wonder if she's going to coord it with red shoes and headbow/beret/headdress, perhaps a red cardigan too. :)

>>10342127
It was on yahoo auctions first, and then whoever bought it scalped it hard on mercari.

>>10342116
materials maybe, but ap's labor is third world slave wage.

>>10341119
Agreed, I wear cute ones to cons when I have a lot of walking to do

>>10342185
i couldnt find it on either one, I was just hoping to see better photos of it.
remember there being a close up of the front

>>10342100
Maybe old moitie but imagine thinking new moitie is anything but Gothic Angelic Pretty nowadays in terms of releases and quality. both are made by slave labor so i mean you aren't going to get great stuff

>>10341913
The only drama from them is stale

>>10341489
This isn't true and you're delusional drag started as a way trans women could present themselves in clubs to sing and dance and preform in private because it wasn't socially acceptable please do research you retard

>>10341031
On another note you're not a real sweet lolita until you can coord a Meta crown label dress in a cute way that's not a basic white blouse white socks coord

>>10342127
>>10342248
fear not, for I am the hoarder of links
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m32879440090/
Museum-chan always deletes her listings after she sold them and scalped them to hell, so I didn't save that one.

>>10342264
Moitie is still made in Japan or Korea while AP moved their production to Cambodia though.

>>10342285
That also isn't true, plenty of drag artists were gay men and never were trans lol.

>>10342174
Yeah, it's the basic bitch combo of lolita. To me it looks as bad as someone wearing mint green and olive green in the same coord, just yuck.

>>10341896
I have always hated fat people and the only reason why I gained weight was because I couldn’t move for like two years. I’m not even that fat, I just have big tits like I mentioned before. I’m definitely not in the obese range lmfao. Fat people who chose to be fat and do nothing about it are fucking revolting and I’m sorry that you’re probably fat and in denial but that ain’t my problem boo.

>>10342374
So you're at a normal weight but still have cow tits? Yikes lmao that's nothing to be so smug about.


Gulls give me your unpopular opinions:
Regarding age, what is too old to start lolita? Everybody always claims "you're never too old uwu!" but really? When should you stop wearing it because it starts looking too awful?
And while we're at it, what boob size do you think is too much and should just stay away from lolita? Is C already gross and makes you look inappropriate?
Is there such a thing as too tall?

>>10342415
If you want to start an argument about height and boob size there's already one going in the ita thread so just post there instead of shitting up two threads with it

>>10342331
Thank you so much! I never though anyone would still have a link for it
You helped me out a lot, hope you find every dress you have ever looked for !

>>10342466
The only one doing the double-thread shitting up here is cowtits anon.

>>10342374
Wow seems like they really hit a nerve there.

>>10342415
In my opinion, it depends a lot on the body shape and face. I dislike sweet and I think it only looks good on people who are slim and looks like 15-25 max. I've seen sweet lolitas who look like soccer moms doing ageplay.
Gothic, classic and otome, however, have way bigger "age rank". If I have to put an age I'd say 35, but I can imagine an elegant >40-50 years old woman wearing something like pic related or even a cute grandma with an ETC-like print.

>>10341463
Natural fibers rich in cellulose, such as cotton, are better for hot and humid climates than synthetic. Not a hater of chiffon, just a fellow tropical country lolita that studies this subject.

>>10341121
Imagine an anime about a disabled lolita with mechanical legs.
>Little girl gets in accident that costs her her legs
>She is confined to a wheelchair
>People's reactions to her being an amputee sadden her further
>One day she sees a dignified and classy lady who looks pretty and in control just by sitting there
>The little girl learns about lolita fashion and philosophy
>Fast forward a number of years and now she is a lolita herself
>Her parents take her to a novelty clock shop where she admires the clocksmith's authentic work
>Her appreciation moves the man, who builds her a pair of mechanical legs
>The girl gets into various misadventures as she rediscovers a world she had shut herself away from
>Also her legs have superhuman strength and a mysterious organization sends cybernetic assassins after her
>As it turns out, the clocksmith used to be a cybernetics engineer for the organization and now they want him back or silenced
>Somehow the girl ends up getting a bf while all this is happening
>More shenanigans ensue as she tries to keep him in the dark about everything, fearing that he will be disgusted by her being an amputee
>At some point he accidentally walks in on her
>She screams
>He gets genuinely excited because he likes machines and shonen stuff
>His pals enter the room through the window and all three start discussing about her legs excitedly as if they were talking about cars
>She kicks them out but eventually they talk her into taking part in illegal car races on foot as a way to make her face her fear of cars and make some money

>>10341081
>>10341165
You appeal to my duality. I like you both.

>>10341189
>>10341207
Hell yeah!

I think bittersweet is cute

>>10341753
>65E = cowtits
Have you ever seen boobs? That's tiny

I think girls with big boobs look fine in lolita as long as they’re not fat

>>10341074
I call BS on that.

>>10341121
Anon, I’m going to think of you every time I’m dressed to the nines in my wheelchair wearing a different coord 365days a year knowing you won’t have a big ass wardrobe as me.