/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10307455
Love that it comes in a set, and those bonnets are cute as fuck

>>10307455

I will never not be a fan of tartan as much as AP lets me down in other areas.

>>10307455
I like the coat, but this dress looks a little cheap, especially on risa? I normally love tartan dresses, but here I'm not a fan of the lace, bodice or even the way the fabric quality looks

>>10307455
Looks like bodyline

>>10307470
I thinks the lace they used is the problem. I usually prefer tartan with a thicker lace.

>>10307469
based and tartanpilled

>>10307478
Honestly I think L066 is cuter than this. Only if BL restocked it...

dumb question but does anyone have that pic of milkyfawn (it was her right?) laying on a pile of her brand like she’s dead? i can not find it anywhere

>>10307455
I’ve used to look for this set (really low priority item tho) so I’m pretty tempted to grab it as a substitution. Can’t decide if I’d rather go for tartan or solid thing tho.

>>10307481
The red lace looks awful

>early December
>is 19th December
>still nothing
I've waited since August to see the designs for the angelic pretty x BT21 collab, how much longer are they going to take reeee. Is it possible that this is never even going to come out, this was supposed to be for a pop up cafe that closed like last month

>>10307497
>angelic pretty x BT21 collab
sounds like the ultimate ita magnet

Sheglit is underrated.

>>10307488
This one, anon?

>>10307515
The only people I've seen talk about it on twitter are people who don't seem to wear lolita or are fatasses complaining about angelic pretty sizing, nor have I seen an army wear lolita well, so yes. Won't stop me from buying it to wear to the next bts concert though

I actually saw a pair of lolitas at the bts concert I went to. They were wearing oldschool gothic. Wish I would've approached them.

>>10307490
>>10307470

These look like LLSIF costumes. While tartan bonnets are a really neat idea, these are a hard pass from me.

>>10307523
I know who you’re talking about, you’re better off not since they’re weary of strangers

>>10307518
well, duh

>>10307521
Nearly all koreaboos are fat or hideous, so that makes sense

>>10307518
Sheglit cotton makes my heart flutter.

Lolibrary is offline? Is this news or is it just temporary?

>>10307529
Well, it's not too versatile. Probably wolf hood could be worn with some East-European fairytale inspired dresses by Baby and OP could work as another solid navy dress. From this point bolero looks more wearable, partly because ears rather look like bear ones. It may go well with bear dresses.

>>10307560
Well god damn, it looks like some major updates have been made and a lot of additions have been added!

>>10307570
Oh wow, I'm pretty excited for this. I wonder what spurred it? I'm happy about it.

>>10307570
Hell fucking yes but we still need a site the community can upload to

>>10307570
FUCK YEAH SHOES SECTION!1

>>10307521
I know a bunch of lowkey bts fans who are lolitas, including myself. We just don’t talk about it.

how do you think is fairytale lolita gonna be a big thing next year? I kinda feel this trend coming up.

Has anyone had problems with japonica markets shopping form. Doesn't seem to work for me at the moment

I had a dream where I bought a mechanic style jumpsuit from a Lolita store, but I feel like it was a real thing that I'd seen irl before. I tried looking up if it was meta or btssb, but nothing comes up. Was this real? Did I imagine a world where a brand actually made kawaii pastel mechanic jumpsuits?

>>10307570
Did they restore old deleted entries?

>>10307602
teddy motors

>>10307570
the patreon link isn't working

>>10307603
nayrt but they were taking the piss

there's entries being added now, though, so they just look stupid

>>10307602
Real thing. Meta's Teddy Motors.

>>10307605
Thank you!

>>10307612
Dang, that's cute. I kinda want it...

>>10307612
I would die for this jumpsuit

>>10307599
I thought the latest trend was 1950s

>>10307616
It is, the vintagey milkshake diner shit is just about played out but probably will last most of next year

>>10307599
God I hope so. Hopefully with some black or red colourways too.

>>10307160 #
Oops never saw we had moved on to a new thread, but I feel a bit skeptical. I haven’t seen the brand guests post on social media to announce that they are coming, while normally brands are very quick in announcing such kind of things. I personally want to wait for that, before buying a ticket.

>>10307616
The fairy tale style is my favorite.

>>10307599
Judging by the styles being showcased in Kera and other street snaps, and also brand releases, it seems like we'll see a revival of late 00s trends.

For lolita that means we might see lots of decora-inspired looks and the modern-inspired OTT sweet looks (cartoon cute vs the classical/rococo OTT sweet that's been popular for the past few years). Lots of punk and 50s/60s inspiration. And the oldschool trend is just as popular in Japan as it is in the west, so that will probably continue.

Some nanchatte is leaning very heavily into kogal looks and there's been a bit of a revival of some gyaru elements and decora in general, so I think there will be an upswing of "weird" jfash again. (The last few years in particular have been VERY normie and mainstream in jfash and now it seems like people are starting to get experimental again.)

I doubt fairytale stuff will be very trendy. It hasn't been very long since Grimoire looks, mori kei and dolly kei went out of style. I think we'll see a lot of inspo from modern looks first, and then in a few years we might see a very strong folk inspo trend. Plus, the taobao brands have been releasing TONS of fantasy and folklore stuff and I haven't seen it be very popular among western or Japanese lolitas.

>>10307616
>>10307688
I thought that vintage aesthetic is rather AP’s thing, but what about fairy tale stuff Baby rereleased Fairyland Red Riding Hood set this year too. I guess it might become some common trend.

>>10307455
>>10307470
I was in love until I noticed the vagina curtain. And how Risa is conveniently covering it.

>>10307520
yes thank you!!!!

How do you guys prepare for a meet?

>>10307976
Forget about it until the afternoon of the meetup, panic and throw together a cord from my closet

>>10307976
>take a look into my closet
>decide on the main piece I wanna wear based on mood and sometimes season
>make a coord with stuff I think is matching
>do makeup, hairstyling and accessorize
>try to remember to take an obligatory picture for insta and cof

The only time I meticulously plan out coords is for brand teaparties

>>10307470
this is the ugliest fucking tartan I've seen on a dress. it's like cheap tartan wrapping ribbon from the early 2000s.

>>10307976
>look a day or two before
>think about what I feel like wearing
>sometimes try to match what style others will be wearing sometimes dgaf
>sometimes get brother's input if I'm torn between two coords
>put together coord
>wear coord

>>10307976
If it's a themed meet, I'll start planning a coord after being invited. Sometimes I wind up buying new things specifically for the coord.

If it's a normal meet, I usually decide on a dress one or two days ahead of time and plan around it.

>>10307976
Choose a dress and put together a coord a month beforehand, then wake up the day of and wear something completely different.

Only a few more days til honey cake

>>10307983
>>10307985
>>10308237
It seems to be common to just throw together coords for lolitas.
If this is the case, why is concrit so harsh if the usual coord is just going to be thrown together last minute or with little thought outside of being sure to match.

>>10308258

"Throwing" a coord together doesn't always mean it doesn't match. If your wardrobe is cohesive or well stocked you have certain items that are easy to pair with others and blouses and shoes, accessories, etc. That can go well with multiple things in your closet that need minimal mental energy to arrange together.

I'm mostly an oldschooler tho so my shit is often easy because it is mostly black and white blouses and other staples with solid and white lace or patterned and white lace JSKs and neutral mary janes or other lolita appropriate styles of Doc Martens in various shades of brown so things come together quite easily.

>>10308258
You don't need multiple weeks (or hell even several days) to decided on a coordinate. If you think of it in the way that graphic designers or digital artists build up skill by understanding concepts, and are able to utilize that skill to make something quicker than say, someone who has just begun practicing art.

Also people can just retrofit previous coords with a different blouse or socks and be good if it's the same kind of color and aesthetic balance, imo.

>>10308258
Because I’m capable of dressing myself without planning for 2 weeks ahead of time? What?

That being said I do find impractical nitpicks like “she always wears that purse” annoying.

>>10308275

Agreed. Lolita isn't that much more complicated than dressing well as a normie but given many people dress super casually/ jeans and t shirt or other kinds of simple low effort clothing when not in lolita it makes sense that it may be harder for some people.

The only time I'd plan a coord that far in advance is a big event that I'm very excited for.

>>10307523
late but who are you? you went to the chicago dates?

>>10308263
>"Throwing" a coord together doesn't always mean it doesn't match
Well that's not what I said at all.

I understand the importance of a cohesive wardrobe. I have one myself.

But that doesn't answer my question about why concrit is so outrageous if a coord was just put together on a whim?

>>10308271
I never said anything about that kind of time frame. Like the other anon mentioned, there doesn't need to be that much time taken to decide on a coord if you have a cohesive wardrobe.

It's not the same as practicing art. That involves muscle memory where as lolita just involves buying more stuff that goes together.

like beginner lolitas just don't have a full wardrobe. Over time they get a full wardrobe and then they're no longer new.

>>10308275
Again, where is this time frame coming from?

>>10308368
wait let me rephrase so i dont sound aggressive, it's cool if you were there too! the world is really small and im always happy to see cute lolitas at bts/kpop events. hope you had a good time

>>10307575
item creation is apparently up and running again

>>10307497
I don’t think it’s happening and if it is maybe it was slowed down because of the amount of honey cake reservations. Lots of lolitas have doubted the collab since day one

>>10308263
>>10308271
>>10308275
You guys are defending your coords instead of answering the question

>>10308258
I suppose the only people who throw a fit over concrit are newbs, itas and generally insecure people. I'd actually like to get some concrit for once because I love experimenting with coords and pushing myself out of my comfort zone. I guess those of us with cohesive wardrobes and good eye for color/theme matching don't feel as insecure as someone who doesn't wear lolita that regularly and invests more thought and time into their coords, then gets upset by concrit.
I also disagree with >>10308370
>It's not the same as practicing art. That involves muscle memory where as lolita just involves buying more stuff that goes together.
Because art is not just about muscle memory, it absolutely is about developing an eye for color, theme, composition etc. The professional art field is huge. The more regularly one wears lolita, the more likely they will have a better sense for coording. Especially if they wear other jfashion such as larme/himekaji/yumikawaii/etc casually instead of jeans and t-shirts. I don't even have a big lolita wardrobe either, but it goes well with my cohesive jfash wardrobe.

>>10307976
Since most meets have themes i go based on that a couple days prior and lay things out on or hang them up together to see how it looks

>>10307976
I wear lolita often and go to meets like every week, so I may be different here. It also takes me quite a bit to get ready/travel to places so i could never pick something the day of. Since I have a big wardrobe planning is just picking things out that I like, I am not like buying new things for a meet anymore but I buy often enough new things anyways.

Usually the outfit is planned either based on what I am hyped to wear (new items I bought, matching someone, a theme) and could have been planned days to weeks ahead depending on the notice. I also sometimes have ideas of outfits that I have just around waiting for a good time to wear them, ie fancier outfits dont really work for a casual meets with friends so i wait for high tea, or the season is wrong for the outfit. I enjoy making outfits so its more just part of the fun than something I need to prep that far in advance. I have maybe 4 outfits on the go for stuff depending on how busy/active I am.

I wear my hair naturally so I try to prep that ahead if I can, I need to know the style I am going and that usually goes hand in hand with what hair accessory Im working with. If I curl my hair I do that the night before.

I think, if a person loves both kink and Lolita or other jfash, they shouldn't mix them within one profile. Like if they have lolita pics, they should have another profile for any fetish or erotic pics.

Otherwise their stupidity makes our MAIN PROBLEM even worth. Their stupidity will strengthen people's misconceptions about lolita fashion.

So, people like that, they should be
1) banned from any lolita community, both online and offline
2)banned from any secondhand markets
3)banned from any lolita meets, any teaparties

They should become outsiders. If they don't understand the results of their actions, we must explain them by getting rid of them.

>>10308258
>>10308370

You're probably preaching to the choir since we have an active ita thread that wonders about people being too sensitive to receive concrit.

At the same time though, honestly a lot of it also depends on context, who says it, how it's said and other factors

For eg, if a newbie tried giving me advice, it'll automatically hold less weight, especially if they don't have any photos of themselves in lolita that I can judge against, or if their profile shows they're even worse than me or know even less than myself.

Another is if they tried to drag out the conversation, as if they're wielding the "concrit" like it's an "in" to a longer conversation, debating what I should have worn as if it's an intellectual exercise. This is just poor concrit, in fact it's not even concrit at all, and I don't have the patience to listen to someone trying to exercise their verbosity.

Then the ones that expect you to follow advice can be pretty creepy too, it's one thing to ask "did you try x and why didn't you like it?", it's another story when they basically go "why didn't you do what I told you to do?" like hello, you're not my mom, thanks.

Then there's those that don't understand the event is already over. It's not that I won't take your concrit, but if it's a themed event that won't repeat, means I won't wear those colours again, means the concrit is useless too.

I guess I should caveat this, I'm one of those that usually responds with a "yes, thank you" to every concrit, so maybe I don't really fall into "won't take concrit" type of people. It's just, sometimes the people giving concrit are even weirder than the ones not taking them, so I wanted to point this out.

(I'm just going to ignore that sometimes the concrit is about things that can't even be helped, like if the correct shoes got thrown into the mud five minutes before the photo, so you'd already know you're wearing the wrong shoes. Concrit, no concrit in that case doesn't change anything)

>>10308427
>Because art is not just about muscle memory, it absolutely is about developing an eye for color, theme, composition etc. The professional art field is huge.

>The more regularly one wears lolita, the more likely they will have a better sense for coording. Especially if they wear other jfashion such as larme/himekaji/yumikawaii/etc casually instead of jeans and t-shirts. I don't even have a big lolita wardrobe either, but it goes well with my cohesive jfash wardrobe.

With any hobby, of course practice makes perfect. Putting together a lolita coord is not an art, though. It doesn't actually involve skill, it just involves buying stuff that goes together which a lot of people in this hobby don't even do on their own. Most girls post coords and then ask what needs to be changed and then they just buy a thing. Stop kidding yourself that this hobby involves skill.

The only people who have skills are the ones who make the dresses and blouses you buy.

btw. I was both posts. You quoted me twice.

>>10307738
Is there some sort of a fb page with a calendar of European lolita events?

I really want to go, but I need to plan everything carefully. I've never been to Brussels and I'd love to go there.

>>10308527
This. Unless you handmake your lolita, it makes me laugh whenever people say "omg, [name] is so amazing!! She is so skilled and no one could do it the way that she does!!" Like, it's just money. She had enough money to buy pretty things that someone else designed and wear them together. And you could do the same thing if you could just find and buy the same items as her. A lot of lolita coords aren't that creative anyway since we're so anal about matching and sets.

>>10308514
Yeah, I guess because I used the word harsh, people assume I'm talking about those who don't take it well. I'm definitely talking as an outsider as I don't post my coords anywhere. But I'm just talking about how concrit is seen, because a lot of people expect it to be harsh.

I like your breakdown of different concrit coming from different kinds of people.

But my original point, and question, was how come concrit is seen as a necessity for everyone when it seems that most lolitas don't really plan their coords in depth. The majority seems to just throw on what they have unless there is a theme, it's ILD, or it's a brand tea party.

Like sure it's fine for newbies, but if someone has a full wardrobe and they just throw their clothes on - what is the point of nitpicking it to death?

>>10308530
>A lot of lolita coords aren't that creative anyway since we're so anal about matching and sets.
This is so true.

Please stop abusing empty paragraphs.

>>10308532

Concrit isn’t always necessary though~?

The ita thread will automatically focus on people who won’t take concrit, because if no one ever told the itas they were doing it wrong and could improve, then it gets harder to blame some ignorant people who just don’t know better. The reluctance to take feedback is the salt on top of the ita, so to speak, so it will always get brought up that someone has already been told how to improve, therefore, the lack of improvement is entirely their own stupid decision.

Other times, people will generally focus on how you react, but not to concrit specifically — it can be meetup drama, comm drama, or yes, it can be how you reacted to con crit. This is just discussion of someone’s personality, it isn’t necessarily about concrit.

But the situation you described where some lolita has an established enough wardrobe that they can throw together a coord for a meetup easily without committing too many fashion sins, those don’t really get concrit anywhere~? Some of the photos people save for inspo might even have come from such a thrown-together outfit, you’d never know.

>>10308416
The question was why would people critique outfits if people put together coords at the last minute and my answer was that it’s because you can put together great coordinates quickly if you aren’t an idiot. Whether concrit is relevant has nothing to do with the amount of time spent planning a coord

Does anyone have recommendations for comfortable / walking friendly goth shoes? Budget is completely open, I just want options that have worked for other people vs taking a stab in the dark on my own.

I wear predominantly flat shoes similar to tea parties. While they don't have as much support as proper walking shoes, they do seem to work well for my lifestyle. Most mature/gothic brand styling I've seen leans toward wearing platforms or heels, both of which I'd prefer to avoid while traveling. While I'm prepared to forgo lolita if I can't find the right shoes, I'd still like to give it a shot if possible. Thanks anons!

>>10308569
Doc Martens sells mary janes which can be quite comfortable. I personally like buying heels from comfort friendly brands like Clarks, which can be quite comfortable if you don’t have medical requirements. I used to be a tour guide and never had problems with heels like these.

>>10308569
I find AATP shoes with low heels very comfortable and every once in a while they’ll release shoes that can work in some gothic coords.

>>10308569
>>10308577
And just saw that you don’t want heels. Ignore me, I can’t read.

>>10308569
Black oxford flats, or lace up boots with some sort of interesting detail like pic related look fine with gothic, especially if you're wearing more toned-down coords for traveling. If your style is less elegant and more punk, you could also just go with docs.

>>10308527
>It doesn't actually involve skill, it just involves buying stuff that goes together which a lot of people in this hobby don't even do on their own.
By that logic ita brandwhores shouldn't exist cause they apparently do have the money to spend on brand, yet they look terrible. You still have to develop an eye for color, texture, silhouette etc if you want to be good and confident in coording. Which is a type of skill set most artists have to develop as well (in their own different ways depending on the field). No amount of perfect muscle memory will help you if your understanding of color is trash. And imo fashion design and fashion styling are definitely part of the vast field of the art & design industry. There's people who do fashion as a hobby and people who want to pursue a professional career, that doesn't make them less of an artist. Just like there's hobby artists and pros.

>tfw the worst outfit I have ever seen in my entire life was a woman dressed head to toe in expensive luxury brands such as LV, Chanel etc and literally nothing matched
>tfw money can buy you nice clothes but no sense of style

>>10308600
If they think fashion isn’t a skill and are complaining about concrit they likely can’t dress themselves.

The only valid point here is that you can technically use money to look good without trying in lolita. AP clones do exist

The CHAD Sweet Lolita

>>10308611
lol is that Rin Rin tho?

>>10308528
Yes there is a group in which all the big events are posted. It is called Lolita Events in Europe. But it is just the big ticketed ones with guests that you will find there.

>>10308530
Depends on your tastes t b h. Most of lolitas I follow don't have any extremely rare or expensive items but they have a good taste and can think new and interesting ways to combine stuff. Yes, I could buy the same stuff and do the same thing but I'd basically be copying them. Similarly I'll never respect those oldschoolers who just copy old street snaps. If I wanted to see jp snaps I'd look at my glb, their glb 2: electric boogaloo is boring af.

>>10308671
i'd take cringe old schoolers over the hoard of poorly dressed sweets you see on cof. it's incredible how little people actually know about basic fashion and outfit cohesion.

>>10307983
kek, this is me.

>>10307976
Some meets I'm less excited for and just decide the day before, but for the ones where I go all out, I consider the season, the size of the meet, my hair washing schedule and when to wash as it aligns with my hairstyle, if one of my close friends is going (sometimes I'll wear something I know they will like), my own mood, my own health (bloating, stomach issues necessitate looser clothing), the weather (heat or rain), amount of walking or activity, amount of time expected at the meet (longer time needs more comfort), if it's a themed event, whether any brand designers will be there, whether anyone will be there who gave me a lolita related gift which I can incorporate into my coord, the look and feel of the venue, etc. I really love strategizing about everything and it's not as stressful as it sounds, having a coord perfectly suited to the event is really pleasing to me.

>>10308527
>>10308530

Tastes, not skill. You say it like it's easy, but every route in lolita has its pitfalls. Go taobao, have you seen the weird shit that comes out of it, a full set can look cute, weird or just cosplayish. Go full burando, scroll up and see the lace vag curtain. Go older pastel sweet, try looking up the socks for Sweet Cream House paired with the set miniskirt, and that's a set that's supposed to go together and we're supposed to be really anal about.

Coording in lolita isn't hard, which is what makes the ita thread popular -- how can it be so easy and yet so many people still fail at it?

As for the skills, that's in makeup and photography. Plus the dedication to keep a steady flow of selfies going. So many pictures in the ita thread is grainy, some weird angle, or has some dirty room or public loo as the background.

Sometimes all it really takes is a steady flow of doing the simple things right.

>>10308684

>>10308254
What day? I got it in the Japanese release but my SS never confirmed if there was a set release date.

>>10308717
Someone in Lolita Updates asked staff at LaForet and they apparently said that it’ll be released around or after Christmas

>>10308678
Both ita sweets and oldschoolers lack talent, oldschoolers just hide it better. At least with ita coords you can start a discourse about what you like/don't like about it, it can even potentially inspire you. Then what are you gonna say about oldschool ones other than "nice copypasta"? If today's oldschoolers were in 90's japan they wouldn't even get their snaps taken. Mind you magazines didn't take just anyone's pics who managed to not look shit, they snapped people who did new and interesting things.

That's why I'd get someone who experiments and sometimes ends up ita over someone who wears the same cookie cutter non-ita coord over and over.

>>10308603
What I'm saying is that no amount of money in the world can buy a sense of styling. This goes both ways to the brand itas and ap clones. I think most people mix in offbrand items into their coords which does take some skill to make look good because not all offbrand can actually be used for lolita. It takes time and experience to train your eye for this which is a skill all artists in general must have. That's just my perspective as an artist and lolita, my understanding of color theory actually plays a huge role for my coords.

>>10308719
I got an email from the USA shop asking for my address since it will be ready in few days

>>10308830
Oh I 100% agree! I’m just saying that technically in that one instance you can buy a good coord without any skill (buying a fullset)

>>10308833
Yeah I agree with that, sometimes I wonder what the ap clones would do without matching sets kek

>>10308724
It's weird that you're into this fashion for the competition aspect rather than to just wear clothes you enjoy. Not everyone has to be the most unique game changer. It's clothes, not a cosplay competition. There's no prize for being different and special, unless you're chasing e-fame and clicks.

>>10308832

Are you sure this is true? The USA MTO was suppised to arrive later than the Japan one. I ordered from AP USA and I didn't recieve anything like that for my order.

Where do you buy old school shoes (esp with a wooden like platform/cork sole) that aren't too expensive? Antaina is ridiculously expensive and you can't join them by email anymore

>>10307600
They raised their prices especially for shipping didn't they? Last time shipping fee i got were ridiculously high for what it was

>>10308842
If you want good old school shoes, you just have to suck it up and pay unfortunately

>>10308842
pony up and buy VW

>>10308832
anon, would you mind posting some sneak peeks of this release when it arrives?

I’m trying to do a wardrobe cull, something I have been unsuccessful with for years now. I have hoarding tendencies. Need help. Please advise. Good articles or blog posts on the subject, maybe?

>>10308862
I really liked the KonMari book, it has been far more helpful than all the YouTube videos and blogs combined. Even the manga is more in-depth than those. No offense to the bloggers, but none of them go as deep as KonMari herself.

>>10308868
Agreed, and I went through a full minimalist phase so I’ve read just about every major book and blog on the subject

>>10308862
another konmari shill, its hard and will take some time but her books really do help. ive gotten to the point where i sort of purge my possessions every season and have learned how to truly distinguish when i want something vs. impulse. shes helped me so much and im a happier person now (plus i save money lol)

>>10308850
Nayrt, I want to buy the VW ballerina rocking horse shoes but they only make them in black and that would be a stupid investment for my very not black wardrobe.

>>10308862
Just sell everything you haven't worn in 3 seasons or a year and, if you're really bad, also the things you forgot you own.

>>10308882
I’d be selling everything.
>>10308871
>>10308868
I’ve read the konmari books but clothes is the thing I struggle with most. Her books haven’t helped me in that regard, because I find that the clothes that bring me joy to look at are not clothes I’ve ever had any desire to wear, and the ones I do wear feel like filler for the sake of wearing something. There’s always something wrong, be it the material, construction, cut, length, etc.

>>10308862
I had to learn to do this myself a long time ago (grew up in a hoarder house, had to learn to de-hoard on my own bc I couldn't afford internet or self-help books). The simplest step is just getting rid of pieces you don't like or genuine trash (broken shoes, etc.). Then after that my process was something like this....

1. First get rid of any "problem" pieces. This means stuff that doesn't fit right, is stained/damaged, doesn't suit the climate where you live, too transparent, etc.
2. Get rid of things that don't match or can't be coorded with your current wardrobe.

After that you have to get more picky.

Take an inventory of what you have, and decide what your personal "style" will be. NOT substyle. I mean like "I wear sweet in blue colorways with star+astrology themes" or "classic with woodland animals" or "gothic in blackxred with motifs of trumps and carnivals". If you have and want to keep a large wardrobe you can pick multiple styles, but you should clearly define them to yourself.

3. Group your items into those style categories. Get rid of any items that don't fit into those styles.

>>10308886
definitely get rid of anything you don't actually wear. that's pointless

>>10308872
They dont only make them in black, but it is eoy so it seems like they are mostly sold out. Wait a few months for the "new" stock to come in.

Anyone got any emails about Honey Cake MTO? Any news from your SS? When do you think it will be shipped out? And do you think people are going to resell it for as much as the cotton ones around $500 or original price??

>>10308933
why would it go for that much now that it was made in an unlimited amount? if anything, the market will be flooded with it when people decide to resell

here's another one of my impressions of a lolita: *checks tracking* *checks tracking* *checks tracking* *checks tracking* *checks tracking* *checks tracking* *checks tracking* *checks tracking* *checks tracking*

>>10308934
Cause scalpers

>>10308938
man, chill. get some nice distaction. have you seen that jedi the movie?

>>10308886
>I find that the clothes that bring me joy to look at are not clothes I’ve ever had any desire to wear, and the ones I do wear feel like filler for the sake of wearing something
That's your answer, get rid off those. My mom at first was worried a lot that she'd have "no clothes left" but in the end was surprised how much she actually had left over. Do you have a dress form? Maybe keep just some of the pieces you feel strongly about but don't wear for display. This could also be a good opportunity for you to reflect on everything. KonMari is more than just discarding everything, it's about thinking really hard what you *actually* like. Once you figure that out, you can invest into your wardrobe again thanks to the sales profit. Good luck!

>>10308951
I’m looking more critically and getting rid of all of the pieces I like the concept of but will never wear because they are too small, short, etc. I’m up to over 10 pieces in my sales pile, and that’s the ones that are easy choices!

>>10308872
It says on the site they customize shoes, email and ask about getting pink

>>10308933
APUSA set me an alert that my order has been fulfilled/getting shipped from Japan - but all I ordered was the ring

>>10308933
The dress won't sell nearly as high, considering how many differences there are from the original - polyester and a much larger size.

>>10308977

I got nothing yet from AP USA (got just KC and JSK) so maybe it has to do with the size or type of item ordered?

>>10308982

It might sell high for poor fatties who are happy gor the larger size who didn't get a chance to get it MTO because of timing. People forget how many chubbylitas there are out there. Altered or large sized items sell super quick compared to what you might imagine.

>>10308991
or maybe the jewelry is ready before everything else - I got the KC and bag from AP JP, and haven't gotten any notification about it either

>>10308998

Possibly. It's basically just plastic and metal and maybe easier to make more quickly?

What the fuck is wrong with Soapbox?

She posted this top under hair acessories with no description or title?

>>10309010
It’s hard to be a scalper. So many items to list.

>>10308841
Bust down anon busssss it here’s the proof
>>10308861
I’ll try to but pretty sure some other anon will beat me to it

>>10308991
Their emails are shoddy, email them first. I ordered the full set and necklace and got an email

>>10309058

I went ahead and sent an email. If things come earlier I'd be super happy!

>>10308955
You can do it, anon! If sales go too slowly, just do big sets of stuff you don't feel too strongly about at a good price or with a small starting bid.
What also helped me with parting from certain pieces was "talking" to them. Basically just say all your thoughts out loud and conclude it with "I hope you will bring someone else more joy than me. Thank you for giving me joy in all this time. Thank you for showing me, that I actually don't like (texture, cut, fit) on me. Goodbye". I know it sounds silly but it helped me part with some really sentimental stuff and if you're alone then nobody will be around to judge you.

Very happy HC will arrive sooner than expected!
Already got my email and the order should be here in a few days
I'm still kinda iffy about it not being cotton but maybe it'll be ok

>>10309010
I honestly start to think there's some money laundrey going on, really wtf at everything that she does. Is she in a hurry or what?

Scammer alert: https://egl.circlly.com/users/yosei

They're using images of a listing from a seller on Fril: https://fril.jp/shop/6b4caa6c498532e8a1ab2fb3a79ebbd9

>>10309116
ughhhhhhh I wanted something they listed too, good thing I didn’t buy it or send them money

>>10309116
Someone should buy all the items and not give them money

>>10309116

They seem to have no listings up. I hope no one bought their shit. Sometimes I wish you could see LM history on a user besides just via feedback like a FB timeline so you can tell what they've bought and sold and if their comments are douchey or shady

>>10309095

I still haven't gotten my email...I hope AP USA replies otherwise rip in pieces

Has anyone tried cleaning a headband before? I just got this for free but I’d like to try and fix it, I’ve never tried removing these stains, can I wash it with water ..? I’m assuming this is rust and the headband inside is metal.

>>10309164
What brand is the headband from?

>>10309010
>Moi

>>10309166
baby

>>10309116
Post in lolita reviews too. I saw someone there also posted a scam post for fancy candy

>>10309010
Shes a piece of shit who scams and scalps

>>10308991
The JP locations haven’t said anything. I wish they were reliable like US one

Other versions of this dress on LM that sold from a quick search only sold for $300ish.

Is the wine colorway of this puppet circus level or something just because it's printed velvet? Or is this person charging far too much?

People who overcharge often put VERY RARE in the titles so I was curious if their description saying only 50 dresses are in existence is true and even so why the other colorways sold for far less than this?

>>10309339
800 is way too much but 300 ain’t it either. Shoulder frill sells for 400-500 on its own.

>>10309339
I’m guessing because its velvet and AP doesn’t make prints on velvet anymore. Some dresses were only released at teaparties too so maybe this was one?

>>10309339
This specific girl used to be a scalper back in lj days. I guess she still kind of is?

>>10308836
Not at all. I don't even post coords online, I'm just talking about what kind of content I like to see. Everybody's free to wear their boring af cookie cutter coords but you bet I'm gonna mock them if they act efame hungry posting same shit on CoF or insta. I view those for inspiration and there is nothing inspiring about "20th matching set" or "same glb coord but now on a western lolita"

>>10309339
god thats a dream dress. fuckin hurts man. good bye i will never own you. the poorfag mood bc the secondhand market is so fucked rn. (im not even poor just will not justify the prices some people ask for this shit. a 300-500 is reasonable if its limited, rare, special, a whole set... more than that is a bit unreasonable)

>>10309339
>”I am extremely disappointed in this seller. Please do not purchase from her. It has been 7+ weeks and still no tracking number or confirmation that the skirt I purchased has been sent. She hardly ever reads messages or emails and I even had to email her directly to her PayPal email and got zero responses there. I also sent a message through PayPal as a dispute and she has not responded so I had to escalate it. She has been blaming customs (when she responded almost a month ago to my questioning where the tracking number was and if she had shipped yet) but at this point there has been plenty of time to reach a resolution with customs if there were any issues in the first place. She even charged me for part of the PayPal fees that PayPal charged her for doing business. This person is a deadbeat seller. Please protect yourselves and do not buy from this person.“

>>10309436

Ah welp they're a scammer and scalper so that explains the price. I'm suprised the buyer didn't report them to LM

>>10309444
Im guessing theyre selling it for such a high price so they can pay her back for her skirt when paypal inevitably demands her to pay her back fully

>>10309448

Ahaha probably if it hasn't been forcibly taken from them yet

>>10308991
Nah, I got the KC and JSK from AP USA as well and I got an email, pic related.

are there any scans of the new volume of le panier?

>>10309454

Fuck I hope they respond to my email. I searched my spam and inbox and nothing...I've been waiting months and I got the initial email and confirmation back when I ordered.

>>10309164
Honestly you can try Bar Keepers Friend Cleanser (just the plain kind). I'm not sure if it works for old rust, but recently I got bleach on a headbow and it started rusting like crazy. I used Bar Keepers and scrubbed it in with a toothbrush and let it sit for a minute or two and it was good as new. I'm just not sure how it works with colored fabric.

>>10309454

Oh shit wait I got it a few days ago; I had to search for the angelicpretty-info email and not just angelic pretty to find it.

Thank fucking god I'm just a retard and things are fine lol.

>>10309454
When is JP going to get their shit together??!!! My SS is on holiday too, at least send me an email or something !?

>>10309480


It's weird because so many other things about Japan are timely and organized but a handful of things are just random and you have to trust they don't fuck it up.

>>10309481
All I can do is hope, USA shoppers will be getting theirs this week and JP shoppers will be waiting two more weeks, bet.

>>10309480
My SS said they got no info from AP. It's so infuriating. How is it that AP USA is ahead of Japan on something?

I have never done an MTO with an SS before and they just keep saying they dont know and to contact AP... how exactly am I supposed to do that if I ordered through them and technically do not directly have an order with them.

It really bums me out because I got the first La Foret reservation which was supposed to arrive first.

>>10309485

That's frustrating.

I waited for AP USA cause I wanted to save money and order directly and expected it to come late. My email did say something like sourcing from JP so maybe that means it will still come after AP in Japan?

>>10309485
Same

Someone please euthanize this dumb cunt

>>10309480
AP doesn’t call until they physically get the dresses in the store

The whole look is so neat. Also GIGANTINC ASS KUMA YAY!!

>>10309529

What the actual flying fuck this is so cute!

If they release an Usakumya this big I will throw my entire next month's paycheck at it

>>10309552
Pretty sure they already have???

>>10309552
From what I got, they aren't doing kuma-bears this time, but will rerelease bear shoes (personally I am less hype for these tho).

>>10309557

I've never seen any secondhand for sale so if they have it'd be easier to obtain direct from BABY if they were planning to release another.

>>10309558

I've seen similar shoes for sale on LM before. I'd only have one dress to really wear them with so I'll probably never buy and just admire them from afar

>>10309552
This bear used to be a thing in 2017 and it costed around $300. Gorgeous beast, but it's hard to give it the wear it deserves.

>>10309164
You need to un-do the stitching at the end of the headband, slip it off the wire, wash it, and when it is dry, slip it back onto the wire and hand stitch it closed. It’s really easy.

>>10309563

I just checked lolibrary and they had a big boi Usa as well. If they re-released it or I saw it secondhand I'd definitely buy one. For now I'll just dream about it and settle for the regular large Usakumya rucksack next time I find one in my desired colorway.

>>10309456
no

>>10309573
How new are you? They’ve done giant usa in white with pink ribbons, white with blue ribbons and all pink.

>>10309598

I have looked through the different sizes before but I guess never realized how big the big one was since I didn't see worn photos and always thought they had only done the super big size for kuma kumya.

I guess I'm somewhat new as I've only been wearing lolita for 4 or 5 years.

Has anybody ever had issues with Mr. Muuh before?

I'm asking bc a friend of mine started using her recently as well to buy from auction sites and she is also experiencing weird things similar to me?

Some examples:

>Muuh shipped to the wrong address, I asked if it was sent back to her if she would cover the cost of sending it to my correct address since it was her fault, she refused.
>Purchase an AP ring, kinda rare, leg is missing. Only $20 nbd. A week later Muuh claims it's a scam bc she's not gotten a shipment notice. Refunds me; I never see the ring come up for sale anywhere else ever again. (Did Muuh get it and decide to keep it?)
>(This has happened to both my friend and I multiple times now) purchase not-super-rare listings that have been up for WEEKS that we watched and waited until we could afford them, send the links to Muuh for quotes, suddenly told 'Sorry it's sold out' and it's sold out right after Muuh has read the messages.
>Purchased an AP ring in perfect condition. Receive it and it's broken. Ask Muuh, 'Oh, sorry I thought I packed it well!' No offer for even a partial refund, even though she openly admitted it was her fault.
>Generally comes off in messages as a bit rude/brusque.

Opinions?

>>10309673
Forgot to add,

>Friend bought a severely damaged item but the seller's photos were shit. She asked Muuh to take pics upon receiving the item so that way she knew what to expect (ie what materials to buy beforehand to prepare for fixing it.) Muuh said sure, never did and just sent the item to my friend anyways.

Items always come in their packaging from the original sellers, unopened and containing notes to the buyer (Muuh in name) which makes the thing with my ring breaking all the more bizarre???

>>10309673
On the whole sounding abrasive and not taking responsibility for damage, etc., I'd say that's just a frequent thing from Japanese people. Especially via message unless people are close friends many Japanese people may mistakenly come off rude but in reality they are just speaking formally to be respectful.

But frequently in Japan shipping issues, small mix ups at restaurants, etc. are often sort of just not considered the service provider's fault and the buyer loses out (ex: once i was in a pretty new karaage restaurant in Kyoto near where I worked that just finished construction; I was eating my cabbage/salad on the side and then notice something shiny, pick it up with my chopsticks and its a LITERAL SCREW in my food. Never had anything that bad happen before in any country and so we tell the staff and they bring a new salad and that's it. My boss who was with me and is Brazilian Japanese said in Brazil or some places in Europe they'd never make you pay for your meal after something so embarrassing but in Japan it's just sort of like that?)

>>10309680
I don't think Muuh is Japanese, her name is Hispanic or LatinX(?)

like her last name is Gutierrez or smth like that

>>10309680
You do have a point though, I forgot that back in the day even brands like Innocent World and Baby did shit like that all the time. But they've also definitely changed some of their policies/customer service behaviors in the last few years, because you never hear about BtssB banhammering people anymore, or IW not accepting returns/refunds for faulty products. So I've still got kinda mixed feels about it?

>>10309673
Maybe she picks favorites? I use her a lot and never have these issues. She's sent me burando freebies before too and always asks before shipping anything
I've also had her buy pretty rare things for low prices too

>>10309690

Oh I didn't realize Muuh was a foreigner living in Japan. Maybe though she could be Brazilian Japanese; she or her parents could be from there and have latin influence and still be ethnically Japanese. I attempted to buy from her once but the item I wanted was out of stock in store and online so I don't have any reference to compare to.

>>10309673
I love her, I know people have problems with her and I believe them but she’s always been good to me.

>>10309673
Also if the broken leg ring is the AP milky chan ring I'm pretty sure that seller was inactive, not Muuhs fault there.

I do think she has extra help now though which may be it. When I first started using her she was a lot friendlier in messages but now she's much more blunt and types differently

>>10309696
>have latin influence
Brazil is Portuguese influenced, not Latin at all. Also not Hispanic nor do they have Hispanic last names.

>>10309698
It was not a Milky chan ring actually, different mascot.

>>10309696
Yeah she definitely types very bluntly and it's not really a grammatical thing, it's how she speaks and acts. My friend specified she actually asked Muuh twice to check the damage of the item and report it to her but Muuh just straight up didn't.

>>10309695
Wow yeah that sounds like favouritism. I've never once received a gift from her and I've been using her for well over a year now, always pay quick and on time and everything. What the hell? At least TRY to treat your customers consistently ffs.

>>10309697
Do you remember anything specific that you've heard?

>>10309673
I used Muuh for the first time recently and while her tone in the messages threw me a little bit off at first, I chalked it up as her being pretty high in demand and kinda stressed. She was super quick with shipping my dress, even a day earlier than she initially told me. >>10309676
>Items always come in their packaging from the original sellers, unopened and containing notes to the buyer
That part sucks though, I was considering to use her service for fril/mercari because my other ss does this shit, I guess I will have to stick with them for the time being.

>>10309700

I could have sworn Portuguese is a romance language which I think means it's originally derived from Latin, but in the context I was referring to many South Americans I know refer to themselves as Latin from many different places. Latin and Hispanic can be considered different things. I know Brazilian exchange students at my uni who refer to themselves as Latina/Latino. Brazilian last names can be often similar to other Latin ones Like Rodrigues (with an s in Portuguese rather than a Z in Spanish for some) and others.

Sorry if it's culturally offensive or something to have said so or if I got something wrong but yeah I was just giving an explanation for how she could have a last name like that and be Japanese still and that could be a personality thing mistaken by Japanese mannerisms. Either way her poor service is an issue that seems far more concerning than just awkward or abrasive communication and people recommend her services a lot so if she is doing things that are shady beyond just being extra nice to favorites she may not be the best person to send newbies looking for SS to.

>>10309705
Yeah for as many times as I've bought from her I can confirm her ton of voice and how she words things is consistently crappy. For a long time I was just trying to pass it off as just her being to the point but after I did one order with Tenshi I was like "wow why have I been putting up with Muuh's crappy attitude for so long"

>>10309712
tone*

She is a quick shipper though I will give her that. But then again so are other shopping services I've now used.

>>10309712

Based on this if I ever want in store SS I'm gonna go with Tenshi instead. Idc how fast shipping is; I want someone who will do a good job and not feel rude.

>>10309716
Yeah after realizing she plays favorites on top of everything else I'm definitely never using her again. I'm gonna go with Tenshi from now on.

>>10309718
Tenshi plays favorites too anon. Every SS does if you buy a lot

REALLY?

>>10309723

Ahahaha I thought I was the only one who noticed

>>10309164
Looks like rust, anon. You'll have to unstitch it as it must have a metal headband inside that;s caused the stains.
You could try oxyclean, or the salt and lemon juice method. It might be worth replacing the metal headband with a plastic one when you restitch it

>>10309722
Idk the first time I contacted her I didn't even end up making the purchase. She was nothing but kind and helpful, especially with how complicated the situation was (it was my own fault to boot.)

I contacted her later to place an order and she treated me with the exact same amount of kindness, consideration and respect, even though I'd wasted her time previously. She was nice and professional, and all the items were packed thoroughly and well. And I know she packed them herself because items I'd purchased from separate sellers/websites were tucked inside of each other, etc.

So if she does play favorites I'd have no way of knowing, anon.

>>10309723
With no proof photos, too...

>>10309116
They keep reuploading the same listings over and over and over

>>10309711
Portuguese is a romance language, I’m fluent.

>>10309732
>packed
All shopping services do. If you’re running an SS who are you going to prioritize, the people who spend hundreds of dollars a mont and get you nice commissions or the people who occasionally buy one ring?

>>10309712
Could you give an example of the way she talks? I was considering using her service but now I'm not so sure.

>>10309718
kek tenshi is even worse with playing favorites

>>10309732
Tenshi please stop shittalking your competitors.

>>10309701
Nothing really specific but I hear people saying that she’s rude quite often, and that’s not the case for me at all. She’s always friendly and I don’t even buy from her that often.

>>10309712
I once commented on this myself in the SS thread in the past and got accused of bullshitting so I’m glad I’m not the only one who has gotten this kind of treatment. Just didn’t seem like she was interested in looking for an item for me at all.

>>10309769
seconded

>kumya I want comes up for sale
>sunny_rnot
Why won’t LM ban obvious scalpers? They don’t even get a cut of the listing so there’s literally no reason for them to allow scalpers.

>>10309680
This is why Meta is god tier, even though the shipping is overpriced for what they actually pay. I ordered a bag and they either forgot the detachable strap, or it got lost/ taken by customs when it was inspected and they are sending me a new one free

>>10309778
Anon you should take a look at the lolita thread on lolcow.

>>10309771
I'm... not Tenshi but

nice reach

I do run a shop but not a shopping service, I'm in America.

How dare people have likes and dislikes, oooOOOoooOOOooo whoooOOoOOo KnEw

>>10309773
Looking back on my conversations with her she definitely doesn't go out of her way to seem friendly, and I've spent hundreds with her. She does the minimum to match tone (ie if I put a smiley face she will send one back) but I always have to be the one to be overly friendly first. And again maybe that's just me overanalyzing, idk her or what her personality is like, but it doesn't really excuse how dismissive she's been in the past? I have mixed feels but yeah I think I'll just stick with someone else.

>>10309774
I'm fairly certain I've seen it mentioned in the past before that Muuh goes on CGL so it wouldn't surprise me if she was in here shitting up the conversations. Just a theory tho, I've nothing to back it up.

I've heard Mintkismet is also really good and friendly, maybe I should try her sometime. But I also kind of just want to build up a rapport with one service and be done with it, I feel like that would make things easier for myself and the shopping service in the long run? Which is what I was trying to do with Muuh but idk I don't really feel like she likes or even gives the smallest shit about my business.

Like I've worked in American customer service for over ten years part of me knows she can absolutely do better but the other part of me is always sympathizing like "MAYBE SHE'S HAVING A BAD DAY" and that's the only reason I've placed my last few orders with her. orz

>>10309673
>Purchased an AP ring in perfect condition. Receive it and it's broken. Ask Muuh, 'Oh, sorry I thought I packed it well!' No offer for even a partial refund, even though she openly admitted it was her fault.
Has anyone else had this kind of experience? I’m looking to receive some jewelry from her and it gives me anxiety.

>>10309836
I mean worst case scenario most AP jewelry can be fixed with a steady hand and some Loctite super glue; that's what I did since I still wanted to keep the ring.

>>10309835
I have worked with muuh, kisment, tenshi, and like at least 5 other SS that don’t even operate anymore. I can say with genuine sincerity tenshi is at the top for customer service. Granted, I consider myself a fairly polite person myself and maybe that’s the reason why, but the golden rule should always be the standard.

>>10309673
If the item is immediately sold out after she contacted them, it’s highly likely it was being automatically relisted and no one until you actually brought it to the seller’s attention, it’s a pretty common issue in japan’s E-commerce

>>10309838
Out of curiosity what was it that made Tenshi better than Mint?

Also isn't there another service like Japonica or something, on Facebook? Last I tried messaging them they said they weren't taking on any new customers and it gave me a sad bc I wanted to try them after being recommended by a friend. I tried to check in my messenger history for their name but it looks like their page is gone?

>>10309753
But I spent hundreds with both lol. The ring wasn't the only thing I purchased in the order.

Also their packing styles are totally different. Muuh seems to take the items as she receives them from the sellers and just plops them all in the box for lack of better words. Tenshi actually seems to unwrap items, nest them inside each other, rewrap and so on to make the most use of the packing space. She managed to fit way more items into a smaller box than Muuh ever did in my multiple orders with her.

>>10309832
>>10309835
Stop deflecting Tenshi, I just searched in the archive and there's not a single post suggesting Muuh lurks here.

And I think her "rudeness" is just in the eye of the viewer. She's a shopping service, not your bff. I don't understand what there even is to be rude about when it's just "please buy this item, here's the link, here's my paypal" "ok bought" "great thank you, tell me when it arrives". And like the other anon I also ordered really rare and sometimes criminally cheap items from her without them suddenly selling out. I did, however, notice that the majority of items that sat on mercari for years before have been bought within this year.
Also what is bad about leaving the item in its original packaging with the note? These little notes are cute, sometimes seller even recognize it's a SS and writes in english.

>I don't really feel like she likes or even gives the smallest shit about my business.
What business?

>>10309848

I think they mean their business in the sense that they are a customer giving Muuh their business by shopping with them/using their service.

Like when customers get huffy and say "I'll take my business elsewhere", business in that sense. This anon is not being huffy or anything though but I think that's the context they're using it in?

I could be wrong though.

>>10309753
>>10309845
These posts made me add up how much I spent with muuh the past year... it's around $4000

>>10309842
Mint keeps freebies brands send you when you hit a certain purchase amount while Tenshi sends it to you

>>10309869
I've never gotten freebies from either. I've used Mint twice and Tenshi around 15 times

>>10309848
it’s hilarious how blatant you’re catering to muuh i don’t even care about shopping services

>>10309871
It's likely that you didn't get one in the first place. You'll see in your order if the brand even gave you one. You have to spend a certain amount during events to get them

>>10309872
This is an anonymous board that she most likely doesn't even read, how am I supposed to cater to her and why? I just share my thoughts and impression when I used her.

>>10309877
Oh, I thought you meant freebies from the SS directly not if you buy from the brand

>>10309869
Mint puts the freebies up for sale on Lacemarket which is super shitty.

>>10309877
Nvm I misread your original post, that makes sense

>>10309883
Ugh. What the fuck, how does she keep getting away with it?

>>10309936

Does she say that she keeps them as part of her fee?

Also what is her LM so I know not to buy?

>>10309673
I've used her service for 2 years. She used to be great, but the last time I used her service it was like I was dealing with a completely different person. Her way of working was so different from before. It was weird.

>>10309848
>I don't understand what there even is to be rude about
When you ask her a question and she seems annoyed about it, doesn't answer your questions, doesn't explain how she calculated fees when you noticed a mistake, doesn't tell you which items were out of stock

>>10310005

Honestly this sounds worse than being rude. It sounds like shitty customer service.

>>10310005
Are you absolutely sure you didn't piss her off or annoyed her somehow?

>>10310003
I just noticed she used less smileys and shorter replies directly after she announced she's going from full-time SS to half-time because she's got another job offer.

>>10309673
Personally my experiences have been fine so far, sometimes her responses come off as slightly blunt but I figure that's just how she works since people can just be like that in speaking and not mean anything by it. I imagine being an ss in tokyo and balancing being a shopping service as well as working a job probably makes day to day life pretty busy and stressful so I really don't mind.
She's been patient and let me know I'd used the wrong delivery address in PayPal and has refunded me so I could rectify it.
She's also grabbed me rare things quickly from Mercari/ fril without issue, and keeps things for a while in case there's anything else I want to buy and ships them as one which has been handy.
I wouldn't say that I'm a super frequent customer with her either, I've only requested a couple of MTO's and a handful of items from closet child and mercari/ fril so far in the past year or so, as well as a couple of pieces from her shop, with which she included a gift of sweets as well.
I've also used tenshi for a few things and she's always been great too, and generally has a friendlier manner of responses I find, and her store info is clear to find. For online things I tend to turn to tenshi first, and I go to muuh for instore and exclusive reservations that tenshi can't get to herself.

>>10309673
I asked her to purchase something and was kind of rude and told me about her huge fees. I declined and I live in Japan now and got the item elsewhere without stupid fees

>>10309835
>orz
soapbox ends every message with orz wtf does it mean

>>10310028
Oh...you are that young.

Pls google it.

Honest opinion on Lolita Updates allowing Indie brands post their garbage? I only care about the main brands and important indie brands personally and I think there should be a separate page for tiny indie brands

>>10310038
Better than taobao

>>10310043
>>10310030
Hard agree. Rather see indie than the taobao spam. There are few enough indie brands that it feels fine or is at least easy to ignore

>>10310053
>taobao spam
Theres a page for only taobao updates you know

>>10310055
Yeah but there certainly used to be shittons on lolita updates
Dunno about recently though. Deactivated Facebook a few weeks ago

>>10310058
>a few weeks ago
Then you should have some knowledge that Lolita Updates doesn’t post Taobao shops and items. Theres a separate page called Chinese Lolita Updates

>>10309696
It's bizarre you would just spout shit out of your ass. She is none of those things.

>>10309722
That's only natural, I'm going to be nicer to repeat buyers that make my life easy

>>10310092
Well yeah? even non personal SS do it like FromJapan

>>10310096

I think there is a difference between being extra nice or doing special gifts or favors for favorite customers and giving people that are not your favorite poor service.

Like being decently polite and answering questions seems like a minimum and according to some Muuh doesn't even do that. I only had one interaction with her and she was quick to check the store for me and let me know my item wasn't available so I appreciate the speed and never had an issue. Also if Tenshi or Mint or whatever service literally steals free gifts from brands and sellers I can see why Muuh doesn't even open the packaging in spite of how rearranging items would make shipping more efficient price wise, that way at least you know she hasn't tampered with your stuff. There are pros and cons to that aspect of the service.

Having favorites who get extra is different than giving everyone but favorites poor service and not respecting their business as long as they're reasonable customers. So if Tenshi for example has favorites and does extra for them that's fine so long as the regular non favorites are still getting decent service and just not getting anything extra special.

>>10310091

I didn't spout anything out of my ass. I was speculating based on the information people gave about her name on PayPal or something and their implication that Muuh isn't Japanese. If she isn't that's cool and if she is even better for language and communication skills with brands.

>>10307455

Every time I see owner photos of new AP releases I feel like we are moving closer to the 'hurrdurr AP is taobao quality' meme becoming true

>>10310076
Chinese Lolita Updates is a shopping service

>>10309696
She’s a Mexican

>>10310121
Both Mint and Muuh will buy things that you’ve linked them for themselves. Mint def sells the novelties that should go to customers

>>10310133

Glad I know not to ship with Mint or Muuh for Yahoo auctions/mercari. I guess they have no obligation not to just sneak in and buy the shit you want but it's shady.

>>10310133
Chinese lolita updates posts all the taobao updates though. Does muuh list what she snatches on her store?

>>10310127
It's coming from both sides I think, taobao brands try to copy AP's immense success and AP tries to cater to chinese lolitas to some degree because of how much they spend. It could also be related to general consumer taste evolving as well. I don't think japan cares about old school the way we do in the west, for example.

>>10310135
Mint banned me after my first order with them because I had to cancel the order due to personal issues and they didnt even buy the items yet so I knew it was possible to get my money back. She was like " I will refund you , just know that i will never do business with you ever again". Ever since then I've used tenshi and had no issues. Any one ever got banned from a SS?

>>10310138

I never liked very many AP pieces post 2000s and early 2010s sweet and have since leaned more to old school sweet and casual old school so my perspective is definitely different than current buyers of new AP.

Honestly I just want brands to release more long sleeved cutsews that don't have chiffon mixed in or different material in the sleeves.

>>10310127
I absolutely despise their new fabrics

>>10310076

Then explain this.

>>10310142

Yeah at this point I will just sell my HC set cause I'm sure it will be disappointing in person...or maybe trade it for basically anything on my wishlist even if the value is far lower

>>10310143

That looks like a user in the group/page not the page itself and the person doesn't even seem to be an admin.

>>10310140
Lol that's your fault though

>>10310144
Yeah I'm scared for it as well, I hated Dream cat go round ,Dream Bear and Fancy Noel. They're all that shit viyella

>>10310140
Never been banned because I'm a reliable buyer.

>>10310141
I'm largely an old school fan and have been since well before its resurgence, so I do understand your sentiments on a personal level. I buy new stuff regularly to diversify my wardrobe a bit for convenience but I'll always have a fondness for those charming details we don't see anymore.

>long sleeved cutsews that don't have chiffon mixed in or different material in the sleeves
This seems to be a trend in japan, I see it across different brands. Especially those sweaters with chiffon/mesh cutouts.

>>10310142
>>10310144
I despise some of their fabric choices too, but admittedly I still purchased honey cake just to have an easier travel piece I don't need to stress over. It'd be nice if they offered some choice to the consumer for cases like a MTO.

Is there a time-frame in which Moitie announces new (re)releases? I'm curious to know if I should spend money on another colourway of SM or if I should wait for the next announcement.

>>10310127
Honest question why do current sweet lolitas give a shit about AP when meta and baby are clearly outclassing them in terms of new releases. Old AP is to die for, but if you’re looking at new dresses they haven’t been relevant in half a decade (aside from rereleases)

>>10310183
usually they announce around the second week of the month and release towards the end of the month

>>10310148
Dream Cat Go Round is viyella true but it’s nicer than both the Dream Bear and Fancy Noel viyella.

Am I the only one disappointed that Tyler isn't a radfem? With her hate towards fetishists/men/creeps invading women spaces i'd have thought she was but turns out she's a handmaid too (or pretending to avoid backlash since troons have so much power over online spaces)

>>10310195
You're the only one who likes discussing radfems on here and is dumb enough to give sissy's what they want: attention and shaming

>>10310138
>I don't think japan cares about old school the way we do in the west, for example.

I've been thinking about this, and wonder if it's like we, the west, are feeling nostalgic for an experience we never got to have first-hand (when ordering from brands was nigh-impossible, going to the bridge, etc). Now getting brand is easy, flights to Japan are cheap, we can live out those dreams our younger selves yearned for.

But those in Japan never had those problems, brand was always easily accessible. As soon as someone wanted to start wearing lolita, they were already in the heart of things.

>>10310184

I just like looking even if I rarely wear prints anymore. I mostly wear old school full shirring Meta and BABY stuff anyway (busty and have to search hard for partial or unshirred things that have the right shape to not do weird stuff to my chest). Some new Meta stuff I love and might try out like their last floral release since it has an underbust JSK but I worry it'll make me look slutty and highlight my chest worse. I want Meta to quit releasing Wa bullshit and release more stuff like the floral one, especially since it came with the cute triangular headpiece that feels sort of casual and vintage at once.

>>10310191

Idk from the picture I saw (look upthread) it looked pretty shiny and weird just like Dream Bear.

>>10310140
She has every right to ban you. You broke a term of service. No one cares if it's a personal issue/emergency.

>>10310184
I honestly dont have that much new ap releases , I prefer to collect the older stuff, I am very interested in APs new Ice Cream Parlor print that is super 2010s sweet. Lolitas are still materialistic at meets, most still go by the "if you're not wearing AP or Baby you're not a real lolita" crap so people especially newbs will always be buying new AP no matter how low quality it gets. Especially when go.kishi is posting up in every new release and making them look good.

>>10310127
Man we really need some good AP unboxing channels/videos again with closeups, detail shots and actual reviews on the fit and feel.

>>10310233
You just sound incredibly bitter

>>10310209
Old school is trendy in japan though; just look at snaps. Where are y’all getting this from?

>>10310218
I bought the floral release and it’s great. All of their basic and tartan lines have been to die for and if you are busty I highly recommend

>>10310258

Yeah I feel like among tall and busty girls a ton of Meta is very comfy and good lengths. I kind of like the way some of their non mini tiered jsks hit me at the knee or a little lower even as a short person. It's nice for winter and I like covering up more. One of my DDs is a tiered velveteen JSK in a lovely blue color that I've only seen on lolibrary when searching through old school stuff and it's got a ton of chest room but a waist that is still nicely fitted. All the extra space reminds me of the Deerstalker girl who liked slipping snacks down the front of her JSKs

>>10310247
Still buying AP anyway

>>10310184
That’s why they sell out so often and it’s the most popular brand on LM, right? Because it’s so irrelevant

>>10310276
>most popular brand on LM
>sells out of rereleases
anon go reread my message. no one needs to tell me old AP is good. it’s half my closet. their new designs haven’t been groundbreaking in a decade though

Is milkbox quitting lolita? Shes been selling all her stuff on LM and hasn't posted any lolita related videos in like a year. I liked her YouTube content

>>10309673
Most things on mercari are also listed on fril by the same person so it’s not unlikely it was really sold. Also on those sites some sellers request you comment on the listing first to see if it’s okay to purchase. You’re just being paranoid.

>>10310278
yes

>>10310277
*half a decade sorry

Who's thinking about actually getting girly room or has it?

>>10310282
thank god

>>10310257
from the IG/twitters I follow of jp lolitas, very rarely do I see oldschool coordinates

then again, I only really see oldschool posted here in /cgl/, out in the wild wild west of social media, I rarely see people posting outfits of it

>>10310287
Not all jp lolitas are into old school but not all western lolitas are either. If you look at any snaps there are similar amounts of old school as I see in western comms, plus or minus some more creative and modern takes on the style. brand wouldn’t be dropping this many old school pieces if it was only popular in the west, and old school revival hit japan before it hit the west anyway

>>10310286
Now you have to spill the tea on milkbox

>>10310290
Nayrt but what snaps are you talking about? I follow a few street fashion accounts and very rarely see oldschool, same goes for the kerastyle website.

>>10310143
>a month ago

>>10310135
Mercari and fril have partnered with Buyee for anyone whos tired of slow SS’s

>>10310257
Vintage things are popular anywhere in the world. But for lolita, oldschool is hardly ever seen in Japan

>>10310140
Yikes what a shitty person you are

>>10310332
Buyee sucks, anon

>>10310277
Nobody cares about what you think is “groundbreaking” or not. Facts are it’s still currently the most popular and has been for a long time. Saying it’s irrelevant is retarded.

>>10310304

I see more general kawaii punk and casual sweet lolita in street snap accounts' stories than old school as well. Most people n the insta tag are western (with half not even being old school) or Asian but non Japanese that I see.

>>10310345
I've found it pretty convenient. What sucks about it to you?

>>10310358
see the archives, buyee has a history of overpriced fees and not refunding customers + running away with the money.

>>10310292
I think she must be around 30 by now? Maybe she's simply moving on.

>>10310345
>>10310369
I’ve used buyee for years and I’ve never had issues

>>10310184

Honestly by now I think people just post AP releases on here for the reactions. Whilst some other brands get very little/no reaction, every time somebody posts AP there's always someone complaining it looks bad, someone standing up for it, somebody asking questions, etc. You gotta admit it gets the conversation flowing more than other brands, whether it reflects popularity or not.

As for myself, I've always kept an eye on all 3 brands. It boils down to pockets for me, if Meta started reliably putting in-seam pockets in every dress I'd find it much easier to buy. It doesn't trump the print/design/fabric of the dress, but it's one more thing that pushes me to own more AP than Meta.

Although unlike the other anon I find Meta not really busty-friendly. The measurements are big, sure, but I'm E-cup and own cotton dresses. A lot of times the waist will just be like 2 inches away from my body because of how shallow the bust is.

>>10310349
Anon we were talking about new releases from AP. Please stop being an idiot

>>10310332
What are you talking about? Mercari has, but not Fril.

>>10310186
Thanks a Lot!

>>10310184
I mostly keep tracking the updates looking for rereleases of their older stuff. I have to admit tho I slowly grow tired of sweet aesthetic and would like to try some other styles, but it feels uncomfortable to switch the style just like that.

>>10310554
Try Innocent World if you're eyeing classic. They have a lot of nice pieces that have classic colours and cuts with sweet details and motifs.

>>10310556
idk, I only like some particular pieces of their. I'd rather like some from Moitie or JetJ.

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