/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10274627

How do I get out of feeling like I can't buy anything that's not brand? I see girls in my comm.buying taobao/indie and I'm always like "wow, that stuff is nice" but I see it as inferior. If I spent money on taobao I'd see it as a money sink (I used to have 3 taobao dresses and I sold them all after wearing them about once). How can I get over this mindset? Should I even get over this mindset? I have weird measurements and I feel like brand isn't always what works on me, as I have a long torso. But I just want to shake this mentality of "only buy brand".

>>10274630
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>>10274630
Is this a copy paste? I have read this blog post before

>>10274633
No, it's my Saturday morning rambling. I guess if you've read it before, it's not a unique problem. Still something I'm searching for an answer to.

>>10274632
I'm asking for advice, that is lolita related. It's not a stand-alone feel. Thought the general might be able to help but I forgot that it's slow as shit these days with everything being redirected to other threads.

>>10274634
This is the kind of emo stuff that'll derail the thread and nobody can give you an answer that's good enough for you because the "problem" is between your ears.

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>>10274636
It's not derailing though if it's lolita related? I'm pretty confused at this sudden gatekeeping.
>Back in MY day
Well, if anyone has any ideas, shoot. Or if not, just ignore. I'm not responsible for if you guys choose to derail it over derailing.

>>10274630
Honestly taobao sucks, I have a few taobao dresses and they're all shitty compared to brand. As brand cuts get worse the quality still is better with materials, details, prints, etc. I used to stan taobao but I can't in good faith anymore, too many flimsy shitty dresses to show for it

What do you guys think of Melody Basket? I can't find any reviews

>>10274630
Burando is life. Don't comprise.

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>>10274627
Finally some good fucking food.

>>10274628
Is this the church from silent moon?

>>10274627
I don’t know why, but I’m such a sucker for nun dresses. Interestingly, a Taobao dress made me like it - Nameless Poem.
Since then, I got an older nun dress from Atelier Boz. Now I’m looking for the Thierry OP (pic related).
What are your favorite nun dresses? Do you own any or are you looking?

>>10274643
Same. I used to get easily taken in by promotional pics but every time when the piece arrived I was sorely disappointed, though I know I shouldn’t have expected anything better for those prices. A lot of modern brand isn’t my jam either but that’s where the secondhand market comes in.

>>10274654
I love nun dresses but they're so unflattering on my wide shoulders, so I just admire from afar.

>>10274654
My favourite is this one from Seraphim but I don't normally like nun dresses

>>10274643
Yeah this, Taobao is perfectly fine for accessories, blouses, pettis, etc, but it's pretty rare that I'm impressed with the quality of a Taobao main piece.

>>10274654
My favourite is the Elisabeth op by Boz. I love the buttons on it and just how elegant it is. It’s also very comfortable. I love my long Giulietta as well, but I’ve always wanted the precursor to it, with the buttons running up all of the sleeve.

>>10274643
I've only had 2 dresses I liked enough from taobao to keep, most of the time something is "off" compared to brand with material and design choice and durability. The ones I do have I would say are comparable to my less well-made brand dresses but don't hold a candle to the older one

>>10274670
Same for me, I've bought around 10 and sold all but 5 or 6 (and I tried to sell those but no one would pay even half what I did using a SS)

>>10274627
Fuck the size. 93cm bust for the smallest size? WTF? Is this Haenuli now?

>>10274630
Just buy the things you want, anon. If you're thinking about reselling value, then yes, Japanese brands are better, but if you're just thinking about wearing stuff because it caught your eye, then buy regardless of the brand name. I have a nice mix of Chinese and Japanese pieces and they do complement each other if you have good eyes for choosing the right things.

Also, if you're buying polyester, Blouses from Chinese Brands have more variety in colors, sizes and designs.

>>10274676
And there's still fatties complaining that moitie isn't catering to larger sizes.

>>10274678
They're catering so much to the larger sizes that the small sizes are slowly being forgotten. As if every time they release a new piece the smallest size isn't the one to sell out before.

>>10274670
Our of interest, which dresses did you like enough to keep?
General question to everyone who had multiple Taobao dresses and decided to sell for quality reasons.

I cant find that Google doc that cgl made to show the difference between "western style" bangs and Japanese triangle/hime bangs.

>>10274681
Nameless Poem for me, that's the only one. I haven't bought too many, though.

>>10274684
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1g50lVpiWbsZJrNh6Omwn2u1Ol6rBb7HAl8WFr8KVeI8/edit?usp=drivesdk

>>10274681
Nayrt, but I have a bunch I like: Krad, Miss Point, Lulu Garden, Larme D'anges, CEL Design... I have once had one from Surface spell Gothic that was pretty good quality,but wasn't Lolita per se.

So what did everyone think of the new dresses at the Hellocon AP fashion show?

Brand lolita nowadays is boring as hell, and this is coming from an AP brandwhore who goes to great lengths to buy brand shoes, bags and pretty much anything you can get.

IMO Chinese lolita has a wide range of creative and gorgeous styles, have you seen the hanfu lolita series lately? They're to die for. I just find everything they put out is so diverse and there's so many different ideas if you actually look at various shops, you don't have to keep going for the same basic taobao stores every time.

No one's arguing that brand isn't better in general, we all know the quality is far superior and they have amazing details. But when all they release is OTT pieces that you only wear once to a tea party, or boring designs that are barely any different from those in the past (not to mention the god awful high waists) I'm just not feeling it anymore. Seems like the big 3+ brands just have a really slight difference to what they've always done, there's nothing new or fresh.

>>10274676
I feel like this dress is meant to sit loose and that you use the waist belt for shape. So I don’t really think this was meant to be for bigger sizes, more to sit loosely on you.

>>10274692
I had a Lulu's Garden dress and sold it. The quality of everything but the fabric was bad.

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>>10274628
MMM releases cute things and here i am broke until December

>>10274676
That's too big for me and I'm literally 6' tall.

>>10274630
I used to have this problem as well, but then I realized the only reason I wanted Taobao was the fear of being seen as a brandwhore. I just accepted this and mostly buy brand now, because it’s just exactly what I like and everything is matchy-matchy.

>>10274704
Mte, imagine seeing a nun wearing something that fits tight around her boobs.

>>10274630
buy what you like. if what you like is brand, who cares. non brand stuff isn't inherently inferior, however it's okay if brand is what you like. if you want to shake it, look for indie stuff you like. go through sites and see what's there.

>>10274630
I much prefer Korean and European indie brands over Chinese/taobao. You don't have to get over that mindset unless you think it's rooted in racism or something.

>>10274633
Mte, pretty sure I've seen that post before about liking the taobao stuff comm members buy.

>>10274700
I kind of like that brand releases so many staples because there's an infinite supply of classic cuts and styles that I'd love to own one day.

But I do see where you're coming from. Even Meta (which I normally appreciate for doing wacky stuff) just put out a polyester teddy bear line lol.

>>10274743
Really hope we're not going from the golden age of cotton to the bronze age of polyester. Plz no regression. AP has already succumbed, we don't need other brands churning out poly releases.

>>10274627
Why all these long cuts from moitie? Where are the short cuts for the goth giraffes?

>>10274700
This was posted by a chinese shill bot.

>>10274676
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>>10274704
That's going to be loose in a very unflattering way. I once tried an IW size L because M was sold out, and it just looked frumpy in a bad way. This is even bigger! So disappointing.

>>10274769
my thoughts exactly. the long cuts are lovely but not my personal taste; knee-length cuts are the essence of egl to me

>>10274709
You and me both

>>10274676
Every brand is becoming bigger and bigger. AP has been steadily increasing size over the years (just look at the Honey Cake MTO!), Innocent World barely has an S size anymore and now Moitie's smallest size doesn't even fit the girls it used to cater to. If we want to have something that fits, all that's left is buying old releases secondhand.

>>10274832
The new sizing could be because of a growing western market that skews larger than the typical Japanese size, or might be because the typical buyer is older than they used to be. IIRC lolita was mostly bought by teens and young women back in the day. Now those lolitas have grown up. There are still plenty of teens around, but they're not the biggest demographic anymore.

>>10274846
I mean yeah, but it leaves those of us on the smaller side struggling to find stuff that fits well. I already have enough issues finding normie clothing that fits off the rack. One of the things I really appreciate about lolita is that it fits me so well without sacrificing sleeve length and so on...

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>>10274832
I wonder if this might be because a lot of small girls will buy brand that is too big for them anyway, possibly planning to get it altered. Meaning the market is opened up to bigger girls and they aren't losing the smaller customers in significant numbers.

Whatever the reason, it's super frustrating.

>>10274856
We need to stop doing this. If we want to buy stuff too big to either be swimming in or get altered, we shouldn’t do it directly from the brands. If we continue to just deal with it and hand over our money we’re sending the message that we want these massive sizes so brands will keep making them. When they have smaller options we should buy them instead.

At least we still have VM.

>>10274865
Let's just hope they don't go the way of Mary Magdalene.

>>10274867
We have to keep supporting them then. Instead of buying dresses 3 sizes too big for us.

>>10274865
I barely buy anything new because I hate wearing stuff that's too big on me, but it's really frustrating to see the direction things are going. I bought some pieces before thinking "oh, it won't be so bad" but I sold them all because too big is just as unflattering as too small.

Sadly modern VM is not my aesthetic at all but I do appreciate what they put out.

>>10274627
Oh fuccck is that free waisted?

Unrelated to the current conversation, but today I started my new job at a fabric store. The pay is shit. Goodbye burando. Thankfully I already have a bunch of Otome no Sewing books, so hello handmade wardrobe made with an employee discount.

Don't mind me, I'll just be daydreaming about my frilly future...

>>10274639
I think they mean this has been discussed to death and then some. You could search the archives because asking here now is just going to garner the same opinions that were previously posted when other anons cried about this sillyness.

>>10274656
>waiting room at the maternity hospital
Seraphim is a good choice for pregnant lolitas.

>>10274787
MUH CHINESE RORITA BRAND CONSPIRACIES

>>10274865
Just admit you're too poor to get it altered

>>10274895
This goes in the feels thread

>>10274894
No

>>10274885
> I bought some pieces before thinking "oh, it won't be so bad" but I sold them all because too big is just as unflattering as too small.

Fat people look bad in clothes that are stretched out, and skinny people look bad in stuff that they're swimming in. I especially have this issue with modern Moitie. The last thing I bought new from them was pic related, but the waist is too big and the shoulder width is so wide that it looks stupid on me. It just hangs and I look like I'm a kid wearing my mommy's shirt. I just don't feel good in it.

I know how to sew and could take it to a tailor if I was desperate, but it's not worth diminishing the resale value when someone else could love it more than I can. The seams are all overlocked and the fabric feels quite delicate and like it could be prone to fraying. Even if I tried it's just an insane amount to realistically take in, it probably wouldn't look good. I don't want to lose any fabric in case I do sell it. The only reason I haven't yet is because I love the colour and want to have a good replacement for it before I get rid of it. If anyone has suggestions lmk.

I want to support brands directly, but I'm not going to spend 40k yen on a plain, ill fitted, polyester dress that I would look ridiculous in just for the sake of it. I genuinely hope all the bigger girls who requested these sizes do support the brand and buy this stuff. Even if Moitie is a mess now with their ugly handbags and just slapping a logo on everything I want them to do well.

So when will the old school and moitie trend finally die? There should be something new to replace it by now.

>>10274905
t. chinese shill bot trying to distract

Anons livejournal started putting these annoying clickbait ads on their website. We really should got some kind of archieval going.
I already tried to message the wayback machine about the nuked entries before 2011 but they don't respond.

>>10275030
Over my dead body, anon. Moitie 4ever.

What new trend are you waiting for?

>>10275030
get over it

>>10274832

Honey Cake MTO is significantly larger than just about everything else AP has been putting out and not a good representation of what their sizing is like (still pretty big and could fit a US XL with a large bust in their full back shirring stuff like MCD or HCS and all but nothing else is as huge as HC MTO), plus the bigger end going up larger doesn't mean all small people will look awful since the shirring will hold it in. Risa looked fine in it so hopefully they're using the same dress as the actual MTO for the models so we can see how thin people will actually look in it.

I don't really count older pieces that had full shirring and just happened to fit fat people by chance as a good size representation either (older fully shirred meta, Baby, and AP JSKs and OPs especially) because they will always look bad in it stretching out the shirring. It doesn't "fit" if it's straining the materials the same as things not fitting smaller people if they're too huge.

Really the increasing lengths as of late are more of an issue to me than size. People can change their weight and size but not height so brands releasing so many long cuts is hell on people who are both small sized but also usually short (shorter people who are height weight proportionate are usually thin/small too). Especially since in sweet there are so many border prints and it's harder to hem a dress like that without losing the bottom edge of the print.

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>>10274832
Just get it altered. Altering things to be larger is much for difficult than taking it in. I'm glad that there are more opportunities for chunkier lolitas to wear classic and gothic, because it's not as accessible or accommodating as sweet is. I love classic and gothic and I want everyone to enjoy it.

>>10275055
Long cuts are usually a completely different style and silhouette though. It doesn't equate to brands making larger bust/waist sizes. The height equivalent would be if the traditional knee length skirts suddenly got a few inches longer to accomodate taller lolitas but alienating shorter lolitas because they end up hitting mid calf.

Brands are intentionally putting out tea length and ankle length dresses because that is what's on trend at the moment and that could just as easily change as trends go back around to shorter lengths. Brands making their standard sizing to fit heavier people isn't going to change as long as those sizes continue to sell and small lolitas continue to just deal with it.

>>10275057
Not everything can be altered in a way that looks good and/or preserves the resale value. If brands want to be inclusive and accessible they could make a few more sizes so everyone could enjoy them. Some brands already make an M and L size, they could make an S too.

What is it with all of the scammers on LM lately? Watching this shit meltdown with user rireth who keeps deleting their listings when asked for proof. And then left retaliatory feedback on the person asking for proof. Yikes.

>>10275065
Who?

>>10275065
lmao left positive on accident but damn

>>10275064
ayrt, I agree completely. I just don't get the shitting on fatties because "ITS MYYY BRAND"

>>10274846
I am going to add that I saw and spoke to quite a lot of Gothic Lolita’s in Japan, who were complaining about brand sizing and them only fitting in to a few brands. I found it very interesting as we often just point fingers at the west and say that we are the reason. Maybe the market in Japan has switched as well?

>>10274627
I would definitely buy this but the bust still is too small for me. (All the other sizes are fine, but my family is just cursed.) I hope they will sell separate nun-collars someday.

To everyone complaining about Moitié only catering to big girls, big girls still can’t fit this, as a 97cm bust is still too small for most plus-size Lolitas and definitely way too small for the obese ones. (They all would need at least three digits for the bust.) I can understand it is frustrating when the sizes brands start to release are not your size, but this definitely cannot be blamed at the fatties, as they can still not fit. For Honey cake you are free to point fingers!

secrets

Did anyone else get on the limited Strawberry Doll MTO and hear anything back from AP/an SS yet?

>>10275081
Honestly I don’t understand why the need to treat this like ‘reee fatties it’s my burando’ vs ‘get it altered skinny poorfag’ when we all obviously all know what it’s like to be alienated by sizes not catering to us and we all just want to feel good in our clothes.

Expecting skinny girls to just get things altered smaller or put up with clothes that are huge on them is just as bad as expecting bigger girls to make do with shirring to squeeze into stuff that isn’t big enough. We all look like shit.

Instead of turning on each other as if there can only be One True Size and everyone else can eat dust we should be asking brands to expand more. We all know AP has the nouveau riche Chinese licking their asses and lining their pockets while their quality has gone down, so it’s not unfeasible for them to make different sizes. Moitie and IW already have an L and M, they don’t even seem that different so they could easily make one bigger or one smaller. It’s no longer 2005.

>>10275100
Based!

>>10275103
Where is this image from

>>10275105
Othello

I absolutely adore all the releases from Love Nikki so far, but not a single one has shirring, and I have actual breasts. It's so fucking tragic. I want them all so bad...

>>10275083
Did you really? When I've gone to Japan (3 times so ymmv) most lolitas were average or chubby, very few are thin. But I don't ever go to events just saw lolitas walking around

>>10274676
Are japanese lolitas (or girls in general) getting larger too? It would seem odd for Moitie to alienate them.

>>10275085
Loose some weight dahlia, the problem is you, not moitie.

>>10274920
Maybe because that was made for men

>>10275125
Isn't this cosplay? They're dresses from an anime game

>>10275100
The sizings are getting better but quality overall decreases. IW quality is so disappointing these days. I bought a dress off them a while ago and the fabric is like crepe paper. After washing it, I had to iron three times over it to finally get rid off all the wrinkles. It also looks like shit when worn because it has no lining at all.

Did mercari start nuking listings that are over a certain amount of days old? Half of my wishlist is suddenly deleted.

>>10274737
Where are the OPs from? They're super cute!

>>10275057
Except if I'm paying 300+ dollars for a dress I don't want to have to spend on top of that just to get it to fit my body. It's not more accessible if they just change the size to fit a different demographic instead of actually doing multiple sizes so it fits a wider range. If I'm not fitting into these clothes, then the average Japanese or Chinese girl isn't either. I just don't get the idea behind it.

>>10275094
They’re not being shipped until next year. May or July I believe.

>>10275180
Baroque

>>10275136
There are probably also a lot of thinner Gothic Lolita’s, I know as I follow some on twitter, but I noticed that all the bigger Lolita’s I saw in Japan this time wore Gothic Lolita. And when asked their favorite brand they immediately started about sizing, which I found really interesting. Like if someone asks me my favorite brand I will just state it, whether it caters to my size or not. I won’t start about the sizing, I actually felt a little shocked when they started about it. It feels like such a western thing to do, it is weird.

>>10274627
Please say no to cultural appropriation.

>>10275184
This. Also I don't know about you guys, but alteration services are expensive where I live. 50€ per dress add up quickly.

>>10275184
Isn’t it obvious that they like the oversized look and fit? It probably adds in to the uwu dolly look in their eyes. That’s why sack cut dresses are in too. They’re big and baggy and evoke smallness and innocence.

>>10275142
Not Dahlia nor am I saying Moitié is the problem, learn to read anon. I am just trying to put the whole situation in to perspective. People keep saying Plus-size/fat Lolita’s are the cause of Moitié’s sizing getting “huge”, while in reality what you perceive is “huge” is actually still way too tiny for them, like way too tiny anon. If Moitié was catering to plus-size Lolita’s they would need their busts to have at least three digits. Try to find another group to blame the changes on as plus-size Lolita’s definitely aren’t the instigator in this case.

>>10274920
Sheglit has a blouse in a similar color and it's decently sized.

>>10275269
Who cares about catering to obese people who can just lose weight though? No one is blaming fatties for making sizes bigger anyway, it's the brands doing it. I'm all for size variance to a reasonable degree, but it's absurd to suggest that every possible size in humans should be catered to in an exclusive fashion style. Tall-chans can't help being tall and with that often comes naturally bigger measurements at a healthy weight, if obese people really need to wear lolita they can just focus on losing weight instead of expecting the world to change for them.

>>10275174
I wonder if the two are related? I know mainstream western fashion cuts a TON of corners to be able to produce such a large number of items in different sizes. They market baggy and thin fabric as "chic" so they don't have to bother tailoring stuff lol.

>>10275236
If you're referring to the nun thing, many styles of clothing are directly lifted from the military and the clergy, including very basic things. Fashion doesn't just pop into existence, it's usually derived from a practical form that came first.

>>10275289
I agree, it is not very profitable for brands to make so many sizes anyway.

I'm spending my Sunday evening going through the glory days of btb. It's nice to relax and laugh at the drama, outdated opinions and sometimes see that what they predicted came true.
What do you think we'll be thinking 5 years from now? What will lolita even look like? And why did people stop making secrets?

>>10275327
Pure brainless consumerism with even the last drop of creativity sucked out of it. Less and less people will wear lolita and just buy endlessly.

>>10275305
I think they were joking, dear.

>>10275368
Oh.
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>>10275269
Unless you're fairly tall, those measurements are definitely overweight. Sorry America has gotten so morbidly obese that you think normal humans are way too tiny.

>be me
>marshmallow-chan
>tall, 180cm
>bustier than most my weight because boob genes
>not mad at dresses that don't fit me
>joyful for the dresses that do fit me
Brands keep designing and producing, the world keeps turning.
I treat myself with things that work for me when a cute new release comes out that won't work on me
it's all about your mindset, ladies. being mad and pointing fingers is just ruining your enjoyment of the fashion. not everything is for me. not everything is for you. it's okay. pic related is out and is cute as heck but I'm too big for it. Am I throwing a tantrum? Narp. Just scored an old school IW jsk that will flatter and feel nice. There's also nothing wrong with putting extra time and money into a piece you really want towards altering it for your body.
A lot of anons in here sound like older siblings upset there are new babies in the house and they're no longer only children. Brands aren't going to starve you, they are just thinking of others in addition to you now. They are not perfect but trying to reach their fans.
I know people bullied you for your stature and build, and you've brought that pain and bitterness with you into lolita. Personally, people called me Chewbacca growing up (not a particularly feminine figure) but I'm not deterred from being cute in this fashion.
Anyway, brands are still thinking of you. I'll never be able to fit into a roland or an antique beast op. but I still admire those styles and try to approach that look with other gorgeous pieces.
If you're vocal and advocating for more options, that's awesome. But, if you're spiteful, trying to punish your sisters and rewind to a time with more exclusive sizing, that's not a cute look.
I'm not out here wishing death-by-drowning on people who can fit my fav releases. that's horrible. Take a more loving approach and everyone can enjoy.

>>10275396

It also helps to keep in mind that while Japanese people are small in stature and as a result size, modern Japanese women are much taller and as a result slightly larger too which could account for brands changing up sizes and styles along with previous statements about aging lolitas getting larger as well since most people originally wearing the fashion were both shorter and smaller than an average woman then (because they were teens and young adults vs full grown adults) and much younger and more "misses" sizes. Now brands realize older and taller and foreign women want their clothes and they are trying to adjust.

>>10275380
Wow you must have tic tacs for tits or just be unaware of the fact that some people are smallw ith big boobs. Some people are small but large breasted and while they can fit the waist and hip and whatnot bust or shoulder measurements can mess with the fit. It is very possible to have a smaller waist and an over 90ish cm bust if you get up to D cup or baove in US sizes. Actually fat people (US XL and above) probably need triple digit busts or waists as a previous anon stated

>>10275169
A lot of them are lolita, or lolita-inspired if you want to call it that.

Preorder for the Violet Fane x Peppermint Fox collab is out

>>10275404
I'm buying this lil bud too

>>10275400
Nayrt but my friend is slightly overweight with a dramatic bust waist hip ratio and her bust is around 100 cm. It used to be higher when she weighed more too. Besides, there are different standards for plus size in mainstream fashion and plus size for lolita/other jfash. I wouldn't call 97 cm plus size for normie wear but in lolita it definitely is

>>10275206
I'm talking about the JP in-store reservation only limited run. Delivery date is for this month, so wondering if anyone else got in on it and heard something back either from jp lolitas on twitter, or from their SS.
https://ameblo.jp/ap-sannomiya/entry-12446859053.html

>>10275404
Nice concept but the print isn't contrasting enough. I was a bit disappointed when I saw the fabric irl, it doesn't really have a good focal point.

>>10275434
It'll probably be around a month late, every mto ive bought has ben

>>10275413

Yeah I'm similar where even at a healthy weight my bust is over 90cm and when I get a little chubbier it all goes to my chest and thighs first so my hip and bust measurements can get up to 114cm despite a 70s-80s cm waist (still able to fit into older smaller brand waist wise) when I'm into overweight BMI territory. "hourglass" shapes are considered desirable amongst normies but really if you like fashion and have anything other than a small chest or at most a pear shape you're screwed, Jfashion or otherwise.

I'd rather be thin with a refrigerator shaped body or just less pronounced curves so I can feel cute and not deal with stuff looking frumpy...

>>10275443
Cool. Just want to make sure I have enough money on-hand to pay for the rest of what I reserved haha

>>10275445
Nice blog

>>10275400
> if you get up to D cup or baove in US sizes.

You should read up on how bra sizing actually works -- D is SMALL.

https://www.bratabase.com/browse/by-photo/

>>10275459
btw if you think you have a D and are going by Victoria's Secret-tier size charts or fittings -- you probably should actually be wearing several cup sizes bigger than that and band sizes smaller than that.

Low-quality bra makers spit out sizes in 32-38 bands of A-DD and use incorrect size advice to force everyone into that range because it's more expensive to make other sizes.

When I was a true 30D, I had markedly small tits.

>>10275459

D or ABOVE depending on the underbust which is dependent on genetics and weight; D can be smaller on a smaller person or bigger on a larger person. D is the smallest cup size people in the US consider "big" for boobs but many people have much larger cup sizes.

Point is, you can be too big in the chest for brand without being fat elsewhere, and brand sizes (other than Honey Cake MTO and accidentally fatty-friendly shirred pieces) aren't catering *that* hard to bigger people beyond having more items that fit people being taller or just non-petite sizes.

>>10275460

Victoria's Secret bras are laughably poor in fit and quality for sure.

Honestly all this talk about busts and things is making me wonder if any anons would be interested in a bra thread; like what sizes you might want to be below to fit certain pieces or what bras give less issues with certain cuts of brand items, or even list some good comfortable minimizers.

>>10275463
>D is the smallest cup size people in the US consider "big" for boobs

Right... but they're wrong, because your average jane doesn't actually know what size she is.
Did you read my follow up post?

>>10275466
I'm for it but it runs the risk of being even heavier than normal on pervs

>>10275459
This is confusing as shit. I'm a 34DD and my tits are gigantic. Am I measuring myself wrong?

>>10275494
You're almost definitely using an incorrect size chart or calculator that uses the "+5" method (bad!)

If you can stomach reddit, r/abrathatfits is a very useful resources for getting properly sized.

>>10275472

If I have time maybe I'll test out making the thread and if it gets overrun by scrotes it'll die out anyway or at least no lolitas will want to post in it so it's sort of a self regulating thing.

We can also always redirect simple or basic bra questions to the stupid questions thread.

>>10275030
I want it to die so badly, I hate how overpriced oldschool is getting

>>10275638
It's so crazy to me, I bought a bunch of cheap old school pieces back in 2014 when I was a newbie lolita who couldn't afford anything else and they'd cost at least 5x as much now

>>10275545
yeah, sounds like it would be pretty self limiting. but wearing a correct bra size is such a great improvement for any size woman, plus or not. Wearing a proper fitted bra for smaller buster girls makes you have a bust that looks larger and more proportional, and for larger busted girls it helps you less fat because your breast tissue isn't loafing or all over the place.

>>10275494
you're almost certainly measuring wrong. Generally anything larger than a 34-36ish band is going to be on a plus sized woman. I'm solidly american average/japanese chubby (fffffff) and I wear a 30F. I promise i don't have big ol anime tits.

>>10275380
You are correct I am actually very tall. I know American obese has completely changed the mindset of some, try to join a plus-size Lolita group and they will say to you that you are not plus-size unless you are above 115-120cm. It is so ridiculous! Just because some brand dresses (mostly just AP anyway) can go up to a bust that big, doesn’t mean you are magically not plus-size any more if you are below it. But most of the time the ones complaining about the sizing, that are obnoxious enough to send emails to the brands, are the ones who also say things like you are not plus-size if.

Since Dream Bear released this past weekend in Japan it is likely going to come out this weekend or the next for AP USA right? Want to make sure to grab either pink or red JSK and at least one matching hair accessory...

>>10274630
I agree with those who say that you should only buy what you like. Don't force yourself to buy taobao for the sole reason of buying taobao.
But if you want to start viewing taobao/indie differently, maybe get more information? Subscribe to groups for news about new releases (there is a separate group for taobao - Chinese lolita updates), look up for more pictures on weibo/instagram, pay attention to smaller items, not only main pieces, ask lolitas from your local comm if you see pieces that you like but cannot identify. Maybe something will catch your eye. Or not - and that is perfectly fine.
I think that the best way to find better fitted stuff for long torso in Western indie brands, or even something custom made. Chinese do not believe in taller people and like everything high waisted even on their own models. I'd say that wearing an item that fits is a totally different feeling. For me brand OP's are a bit uncomfortable but on Taobao I was able to buy size up and be fine. It was a real change for my closet and my perception of lolita.

>>10275494
Honestly I suggest finding a bra specialty shop and getting sized there, all the big stores will lie to you to sell their small range of bras but the small specialty shops specialize in all sizes. I recently did this, and found out that what I thought was a 32D was actually 30G! The new bras at the specialty store did cost more but now my tits are actually comfy and it's been a huge life improvement.

>>10275404
I really don't trust anything by them. Looks fine from a distance, but up close you can tell how shoddy the construction and fabric are.

>>10275168
I bought the women's cut.

>>10275282
I think I know which one you mean but every time I look it's sold out. Hopefully they restock or something similar comes up soon. I hate keeping stuff I don't really wear or love so the Moitie blouse has got to go.

>>10276342
Nayrt but yikes. I always like their prints but stuff like this makes me hesitant to buy from them. Such a shame.

>>10275436
Same, it looked really muddy IRL.

>>10276342
This is why I just stick to the accessories of the releases I like.

>>10276390
You could get the bag, it has the print and it's only 30 euro. The skirt is only 90 euro. Notebook 10 euro. I'm sad it doesn't come in more colours.

>>10275750
Why don't you just buy it from ap japan..?

>>10276342
I was hoping that this would be Peppermint Fox quality, not Violet Fane quality...

>>10276342
When I bought the first version of the Asylum dress, the colors had already transferred onto various parts of the dress just from being folded and sent to me. I know this was ages ago, but I’m still hesitant to buy any of her dresses now.

The [>name culture] meme on instagram really brings out how shallow and boring most lolitas are.

>>10276342
This is one of the better pieces
>comes from someone who had several really bad construction issues with vf

I´m still that salty about what happened in the past that I can not buy anything from her. She has wonderful designs but her skills and behaviour are aweful

>>10276520
Because they're doing it in the first place or because you think the things they're writing on their bingo cards are boring and shallow? If it's the first, why? And if it's the latter, how do you suggest one should go about conveying a complex and three dimensional human being via writing a couple of words in some tiny squares? Finding things in common with strangers will always be a shallow endeavor at first, I think you're reading too much into it.

>>10276526
I love her jewellery but I had to return one of the skirts I got because the sizing was wrong and the material of the skirt sucked.

It's a shame because I actually do like her designs and would pay the prices if her standard was up to par.

>>10276492
Dye transfer was an issue with the latest release of Asylum too.

>>10276482
Same...

>>10276520
That's just the nature of social media. People are probably less likely to share someone else's board if they don't get a bingo or close to it, so that encourages more generic boards.

>>10276589
Damn, really? Was seriously hoping there was some improvement with that. Sucks that the dresses are so shoddily made since some of her print designs are quite nice.

>>10276526
>behaviour
How so? She's acknowledged the problems with her construction and lack of experience in the past.
I think it would be nice if her brand became successful enough for her to hire someone for construction so she can just focus on prints, but afaik she still has a different job next to this brand and does everything herself.

>>10276461

Because my desired cut and color way is sold out and there's no point In using a shopping service if AP USA plans to release the same thing?

>>10276715
She lied to customers, also said she would take a break from sewing after the big issues came up. Well, she never said how long the break would be.
>After wheep to angry customers for a day it´s enough of a break. Let´s release three new collections with construction errors

Anyways, if you are not capable to do your business right and constantly upset your customers because it is not your main job than maybe you should quit one or another?
She is making excuses and apologizes for many years now. I´m always suprised that there are still people buying her shit and not complaining openly about it. I think it´s just because she can sweet talk herself out every time and people are just too tired to write a negative review online.

>>10275044
Sweet needs a moment again. I'm tired of gothic and classic. And not this classic-sweet nonsense, I want some real 2012 pastel vomit, but with maybe some new interesting motifs.

Maybe something like dinosaurs, or monsters, something typically boyish or "dark" but made super cute? I'm not sure, but I do know that I'm equally sick of flowers, sweets, tiaras, presents, cats, etc as I am of drab classic and gothic solids. No hate, I just want to be visually assaulted by AP again.

Any other lurkers who hate how Instagram is now forcing you to sign up to view public pages? I'm not interested in making an account, I just want to browse tags and look at coords.

>>10276824
I want snakes. Snakes with bows.

>>10276828
Yup it's incredibly annoying, but not annoying enough to make me sign up. I hated having an ig back when I did

>>10276824
Sweet's moment hasn't left. It may seem that way because old-school/gothic are a little more trendy now but sweet coordinates still far outweigh gothic ones.

>>10276824
Ngl I'd like AP to take inspiration from 2006-2009 scene with neons+black/unusual tartans/pink leopard print/cute illustrations of dinosaurs/etc. I'm aware of my shit taste but god I'd love that

>>10276859

Meta used to be the king of weird shit and even they have toned down into the sweet-classic stuff.

Also side question: Does An*tai*na customize the heel height on their shoes? The Amazon seller selling their products said they could make a boot for me with a lower heel than the one in the listing but that I had to buy the item first and then they'd customize it for me. I wanted to confirm if they have ever done custom heel heights before? (buying through Amazon for the extra protection and easy refund if things go wrong)

>>10274865
Atelier Pierrot, Boz, Millefleurs and Sheglit are still ok as well...

>>10276824
Sweet is already the most popular substyle.

>>10276912
/cgl/ polls say otherwise, although I dunno if that's representative of the broader community

>>10276918
Idk if sweet is most popular but it's the substyle with the most recognition and attention to normies or non lolitas possibly. Most irl lolitas i know lean towards gothic and classic most of the time.

>>10276930
I think sweet says "Japan! kawaii!" to people so they associate it with lolita a little more strongly than the other substyles. Even if lolitas don't necessarily wear it the most.

>>10276492
if i have to read about fannie “crust hunting” one more time ill rip my eyeballs out

>>10276786
I don't want her to quit even though her clothing is not perfect. Her tights are better than some brand ones I own. Since you can return the product if it has flaws, it's not a big problem to me.

>>10276997
What does she even mean by that?

>>10277006
Going to "crusty" (I guess old/kind of dilapidated) cafes and restaurants to take aesthetic pictures for instagram

>>10276824
>>10276853
>>10276859
No shade but maybe you guys should look into quirky repro vintage brands like Lindy Bop instead of lolita.

>>10276930
>>10276950

When normies come across classic lolita they're more likely to associate it with "vintage" or "retro" clothing. Gothic lolita gets lumped in with gothic (western gothic).

Sweet lolita stands out because there's no real western equivalent, so they recognise it more readily. Though I think you're right, a lot of newbies seem unable to grasp that "Japan" "kawaii" and "harajuku" don't necessarily equate to "sweet lolita" and that fairy kei, decora, menhera, etc are their own non-lolita thing by themselves.

>>10276918

If it's the one attached to the secret santa it had an issue where people would purposely not admit they were sweet lolitas to avoid being gifted cheapo children's accessories, so it isn't accurate.

>>10276930
Most lolitas in my (very large) comm claim to wear classic and gothic in polls but only because they think AP and Baby prints in brown or jewel tones are classic and Halloween prints are gothic. Our membership is in the triple digits but I can count the people who wear VM, MM, JetJ, Millefleurs and non-print IW on my fingers. Same for MmM, AtPi, Atelier Boz, Sheglit etc.

Idk maybe I’m a purist but when I think of classic and gothic lolita I think of VM and MmM respectively, not AP’s Mercator Antique Shop and Holy Lantern. Although I must say I still prefer AP’s ‘classic’ to the recent trend of ankle-length Taobao renfaire garb OTT ‘classic’.

>>10277004
She should just stick to stuff she doesn´t make by herself like the pins and tights. That´s it.

>>10277035
This is such a mood. My comm is mostly sweet lolitas and every Halloween they interpret gothic as "sweet, but in a dark colorway" basically. There's a reason kuro and gothic are different: it'sall in the styling. Obviously the Baby/AP Halloween releases can be styled in a gothic way, but overstuffed pettis, tea parties, and heart eyelet lace? That's not it.

>>10277035
Boy do I know this feel. I follow some amazing gothic/classic lolitas on instagram, so I know the substyles aren't dead, but every time someone posts a "classic" coordinate with an AP main piece and wine tea parties to cof my heart breaks a little.

>>10277004
>though her clothing is not perfect
>...not perfect...
https://youtu.be/0M9Ch9sSbB8

A human without limbs is not perfect huh?
Maybe her sewing is not as bad as it was three or more years ago (still hear complains from recent releases though) but still delivering bad constructed products for an unreasonable price is ridiculous. That you can exchange if you are not satisfied doesn´t make it better since a lot of girls are too shy/embarassed/whatever to do that. Don´t be a fangirl in that case. I advice to buy only stuff you can see and examine at events.

>>10277066
I don't own any of her clothes, I just really love her tights lol

Has anyone seen this/posted this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF0eBZnajBQ
It's from awhile ago but I'm just now stumbling upon it and I'm ashamed.

>>10277066
This looks like what happens when I thread my sewing machine incorrectly

>>10277028
I have a few Lindy Bop dresses actually. I love traditional lolita themes (esp children's illustration-inspired prints) and I don't want those to disappear, but I wouldn't mind one or two more unusual themes in my closet.

>>10277059
What is wrong with wine teapartied?

>>10276853
I like this idea too. How about Dear Snake? Milky Snake Dream?

>>10277400
Nothing, but they’re not classic. That was anon’s point.

>>10277405
Serpent's Dream Room Cosmetic Box

>>10274920
Wow you're so privileged, complaining that moite doesnt fit you because you're too THIN holy shit

>>10277450

Cry more fatty

>>10277450
>being fat is being unprivileged now
w-what? You know there are MORE diseases that lead to weight loss than weight gain right?

>>10277461
Fat people face discrimination that skinny people don't, even in the corporate world. there's been several studies on it

>>10277464
Why the hell should that preclude people from complaining about finding stuff to fit them though

>Should we be out of stock of your size, please contact us and we will have a pair custom made for you within 12 weeks. Please note an extra 20% of the original price will be incurred for this order.
Did you guys know this? Why nobody told me VW now custom makes RHS?

>>10277464
But anon I'm ugly even though I'm skinny. Consider your nice skin privilege.

>>10277395
I don't understand how she is not constantly consumed by guilt sitting on her arse buying brand and blogging while her bf works two jobs.

>>10277464
then lose weight

>>10274920
>it's not worth diminishing the resale value when someone else could love it more than I can.
Getting it altered means you get to keep it and it will fit you better. I bet you never had anything tailored to fit you.
You might actually love it if it fit you better... but you sound like a weak bitch that just gives up and sells.
Don't complain about brands catering to certain sizes when you basically sell to the same people.

>>10275100
>Expecting skinny girls to just get things altered smaller or put up with clothes that are huge on them is just as bad as expecting bigger girls to make do with shirring to squeeze into stuff that isn’t big enough. We all look like shit.
Yea if you have a shit tailor.

>>10277592
some of us don't like to keep clothes for years. I have a small wardrobe so whenever I want something new, I have to sell something else. That's why the resale value is important, and alterations are basically damage to me anyway.

>>10277601
You can resell altered items. People like me will buy them.

>>10277605
Maybe you will, but I would never buy something altered.

Lolitas who have bought a dress to flex on someone, what's your story?

>>10276882
To answer your An-tai-na question, yes, they will customize the heel height. Go browse the taobao storefront to see pictures of the various heights.

>>10277464
>consumes a lot more than body requires
>"other people have privilege reeeeeee!"

>>10277464
This is like saying people who are naturally pretty and look put together have privilege over colleagues who look sloppy and smell bad. It's true there is bias against people who look bad, but there's no point in attacking the pretty and clean women.

>>10277645

>>10277066
This video was over four years ago and the uploader said vf replaced the faulty garments. Is there anything more recent?

>>10277643
Actually, naturally attractive people are generally treated better/received better than ugly people. But we never see anyone claiming uglyphobia

>>10277653

No one wants to admit that they're ugly. This whole 'everyone gets a trophy' is taken to an all new level with everyone wanting to believe they're pretty.

>>10277653
That's what I'm saying

>>10277610
Ok well just because you don't do something doesn't mean it applies to everyone and there is in fact a market for selling altered clothing.

>>10277653
>naturally attractive
Define this without being subjective.

>>10277659
An extremely small market that I don't want to contribute to

>>10277464
Don't act like fat people don't discriminate the fuck out of thin/average people.
Here are a few examples I personally heard from fat/obese women after I lost weight.
>You look so thin, are you ok? Are you sick?
>Eat a hamburger.
>You should eat more if you want to look healthy.
>She's probably anorexic (behind my back but deliberately in earshot).
>Don't you know men want REAL women with curves, not skin and bones?
>You are so thin, a gust of wind will blow you away LOL.
>You have a body like a 12 year old boy.
>You fit in kids clothes? That's not normal, you must have an eating disorder!
I'm only 155cm (5'1) 53 kilo isn't even skinny ffs.

>>10277667
Oh god I had finally forgotten about the fucking "real women have curves" movement. Fuck that shit. I was so insecure as a teenager about my skinny body and that really really didn't help.

>>10277667
Mte. My best friend was bullied because "her arms look like sticks". It's true her arms were not very beautiful, and she was very skinny, but you don't need to say it to her every day..

>>10277667
This.
I was bullied so much growing up because of how thin I was and don't even get me started on my small chest

As always, good job at staying on topic whenever weight comes up, bravo gulls.

>>10277450
I wish I had the privilege of being able to make some simple diet and lifestyle changes to better fit brand but unfortunately nothing is going to shrink my fucking skeleton.
>t. grumpy tallita

>>10277683
We're only human, sorry Vulcan-chan.

>>10277568
Many lolitas are satisfied enough with their replicas or can't afford actual RHS.

>>10276520
what do you expect people to put on their boards?
>zoroastrianism uwu
>only wears underwear with days of the week on them
>hates eating blue crayons

my favorite was someone who said they have a phobia of poop, imagine being afraid of something that comes out of you every day

>>10277660
clear skin, shining hair, naturally white teeth, proportional body structure

>>10277664
How the fuck would you know the size of it when you aren't even involved in it.

Shut your uneducated ass up.

>>10277654
Well I for one am butt ugly but I don’t talk about it because doing so makes people uncomfortable (for good reason)

>>10277654
I'd be the first to admit i'm ugly. It's just that ugly people usually get shit for calling themselves ugly because all the pretty people think we are virtue signalling when really we are just speaking out truth.

>>10277695
Alright human, what prevents you from moving this discussion to lolcow's /ot/ instead of filling yet another cgl thread with it until it hits autosage?

>>10277568
I wish they were truly custom, I inquired about different colors, but they don't do that right now.

>>10277017
It wasn't even her thing to begin with but now she's trying to make it seem like she invented it.

>>10277752
This

>>10276541
hold on.. what?
I thought liking someone for their appearance was shallow.. not like, trying to find out what someone likes as a person?

>>10277712
Do you think she has an actual phobia or just grossed out by it? I can't imagine actually having a shit phobia just because you would get panic attacks every time and probably just shit yourself or something.

>>10277982
>you would get panic attacks every time and probably just shit yourself or something
I see what you did there

>>10277737
We can all see listings of altered things on lacemarket, you don't have to be "involve" lol

>>10277966
I guess I worded that badly. What I mean is, finding talking points with people you don't know is going to be superficial at first because there's no guarantee that you like the same things for the same reasons or have anything else in common at all. To take an example that I saw some people put on their bingo cards - I have OCD, but that doesn't necessarily mean I have anything to talk about with other people who do. Someone might like South Park for the satire while another person just likes it for the poop jokes, etc. Something might mean a lot to you, but when you bring it up in conversation with a stranger there's a fair chance they'll only be able to relate to it on a superficial level, which kind of prevents you from having a deeper conversation about it. I'm not going to try to launch into a deep conversation about how much (insert band name)'s lyrics mean to me if I meet someone who just likes them for their catchy tunes, because that would be a very socially awkward thing to do.

>>10278038
>you don't have to be "involve"
Involved* you dumb ass.
And yes, those listings sell. So do the ones in FB groups.

>>10278045
That makes a lot more sense.

>>10278101
Yeah it does sell, when you price honey cake at 150 lol

> Is boy
> Can't wear any of this cute stuff
Why has god forsaken me

>>10278121
Im pretty sure there was a twice altered honey cake that sold for like $500

>>10278125
I mean you can but it's just not as well received in the community because of all the male fetishists/sissies that try an infiltrate lolita. I know some male lolitas that just genuinely like the fashion and look cute

>>10278125
Just wear the clothes, coward

>>10278133

If you like and want to wear the clothes either alter them and stop caring about resale value like fashion is a business, or don't and keep the value and feel frumpy. Otherwise if you don't complain to the brand directly your complaints will never be heard and nothing will change. You can't have everything at once so just pick and choose what you want to do to resolve the issue you have.

>>10278171
Uh what? Did you mean to reply to someone else? I just wanted to correct >>10278121 that they're wrong. idgaf about altering

>>10278174
Sorry my bad I meant to reply to the one who was saying that you can only sell a Honey Cake for $150 if you alter your stuff.

Also if people are trying to make above what they paid new for a set of used/worn clothes, I wouldn't call it scalping but like...a little greedy if they care more about profit than just fitting it properly recouping the cost to afford another item.

>>10277636
I bought a dress I genuinely wanted to own, and soon after this girl went batshit crazy about it in the lolita discord. She tried to claim I skinwalk her, that I stole her dream dress, that I ruined her life. Needless to say I laugh every time I wear it now. It's not even a rare dress, just expensive. It was available on lacemarket and closet child the day she flipped out.

>>10278185
Which dress tho

>>10278186
Also would like to know which dress

Anon's friend sounds like a salty jealous poorfag

>>10278185
Wow, she sounds cray cray.

>>10278189
>email in namefield
welcome to /cgl/, newfriend

>>10278201

It autofilled after posting in the BST thread and I forgot to delete it, that's all

>>10278181
I didn't say that. If you look up altered listings on LM, there's literally a honey cake for 150 and a bunch of unsold expired listings.

>>10278213
Nayrt but I'm pretty sure that could've sold for higher if they auctioned it. There are also more sold altered listings than unsold

https://youtu.be/aUFASFgsU0I

Is LM broken for anyone else? Non of the picture load

>>10278221
It's working fine for me.

>>10278215
Sold for lower than what it would have sold for if it was unaltered

Is lolita dying slowly? I wonder if we are about to have a new kind of j-fashion emerge

>>10278239
lolita is definitely not dying.

>>10278239
Where are you even getting that impression?

>>10277568
I prefer the shape of the Melissa ones to the VW ones. The VW ones look kind of flat.

>>10277395
That's kittykinns, right? Ironic since she's a professional sex worker who dresses guys up in sissy clothing.

>>10278304
I'll take leather over the weird Melissa plastic any day. I do wish the leather ones had ribbon instead though because it's impossible to keep the leather lacing up. Maybe I just need bigger calves though.

>>10278202
>forgot to delete it, that's all
Yea that's exactly how you fucked up

>>10278121
Sorry you don't know how to price things.

>>10278125
wear ouji!!!
we don't have enough actual male oujis

>>10277642
A lot of overweight people are that way because of medical conditions or medications. And yeah they do face discrimination because people like you assume they're overweight because they just ~eat too much~

>>10277653
apparently you've never met incels? they claim that. a lot.

>>10277660
symmetrical facial structure is considered 'the most attractive' basically everywhere in the world

>>10277667

Wtf, 53 kg at 158 is on the larger end of normal bmi too

>>10278349
pills alone don't make you fat

t. someone on medication with weight gain as a side effect that's also a healthy bmi

>>10278239
Just the way we used to treat it

>>10278351
Makes sense. Fat people act about as entitled as incels do.

>>10278432
You don't see fat people running around acting homicidal, but you don't see fat people running.

>>10278428
there's literally a ton of studies out there proving that medication like antidepressants make people gain a ton of weight. it's uncontrollable.

>>10277636
Someone in my comm was stirring up a shitstorm about me on cgl so I actively hunted down her wishlist for months and bought the top priority ones. I wore them to meet ups I knew she’d be at, and then I resold them privately so she would never be able to get her hands on them (from me anyway).

>Pettiness intensifies: she liked sweet whereas I’m more classic/goth

>>10278507
Most fat people can't use this excuse.

>>10278527
>over 25 million adults are on antidepressants
maybe not "most" but you know, literally millions.

>>10278349
There are only few people who gain weight due to medication. And this is usually just staying thin in hard mode. Like, they have to consume even less to stay at a low weight. And just because it’s even harder for them that’s no excuse to just be fat.

>>10278532
Yeah okay, let's ignore all the medical science that proves otherwise and just believe your personal opinion.

>>10278507
>>10278349

They're in the minority. You need a proper study/census that tracks how many people are fat due to meds and how many are just fat, to prove your point.

>>10278535
Since you like science, maybe read up on studies for both then. Last time I checked studies said medications cause a higher calorie intake of about 300-500 calories.

>>10278536
the point is that they're discriminated against by people like you who think all fats got that way just from stuffing their face.

>>10278530
>everyone on antidepressants experiences the adverse effect of weight gain
At least stretch a little before reaching.

alright gulls who wanted a tapir print.

i mean im happy for you but i did not see this coming

>>10278542

>>10278536 is my first post. I'm overweight myself and don't discriminate against them, please don't discriminate against me either.

I just don't like seeing inaccurate data thrown around. I may be overweight but I'm not also delusional and stupid, thanks.

>>10278551

Whoah which print is this?

(not one of the anons interested in the print but I like the flocky stuff)

>>10278551
WHats tapir?

>>10278560

some Asian animal.

It also doubles as Japanese folklore dreameater, "baku".

>>10278560
It's the weird dog in the center of the circle

>>10278541
Yeah, there you have it. Does the medication take control of your body and physically force you to eat those extra calories? Of course not, you do that all by yourself and therefore if you have proper self control you won't gain weight.
It might be more difficult if you're on medication but it's no excuse.

>>10278352
>Mfw fucked jaw makes me feel like a stroke victim
>Mfw Mf
> W

>>10278304
Same, wish I had bought several colours of the Melissa ones

>>10278323
It's amazing you actually deluded yourself into believing altered pieces sells for just as much as new condition pieces.

>>10278526
Seems she was right to stir up a shitstorm, you sound insane

1st November, 1500 JST Silent Moon release
34,000 yen + tax
>https://twitter.com/moitie_official/status/1187973391711686656?s=19

>>10278507
anon you're retarded, antidepressants don't "make" you gain weight. i've been on a ton and haven't gained a pound. what happens is people just feel better so they eat more.

antipsychotics can make people gain weight because they're literally fucking tranquilizers, but i doubt all fatties are also on antipsychotics. sounds like you got fat, grow some self control.

>>10278305
Yeah that's her, do you have more details on this though? I haven't heard

>>10278526
You’re insane and I love it

>>10278605
good for you. medical science says the exact opposite. it literally fucks with your brain chemistry to make you uncontrollably hungry all the time.

>>10278777
Anon there's no point in convincing people that brain chemistry will change people's behaviour. They will say "yeah it makes it more difficult but you just have to make a bigger effort". It's the same when you try to explain why someone comes to a meet late because they have ADHD, or doesn't socialise much at a meet because they have autism. They will just say it's no excuse and they should learn to deal with it.

>>10278597
so many silent moons but no iron gate. not even any alike gate print.

>>10278125
You can wear it if you can get it on and fastened. Too tight is an issue. You will need a wig. The real problems will be shoes and blouses.

>>10278348
i feel i would be too awkward/ugly to do it lmao

>>10278836
Do visual kei makeup and hair so nobody knows how you really look

>>10278801
Iron gate image files got corrupted.

>>10278801
He said he lost the design but I think he just wants it to stay rare and not become a meme like holy lantern.

>>10278876
I guess people would be happy if they did some Antique Gate or something, just alike gate print in original colorway and cuts.

>>10278897
What I'd give for a metallic gate print...

>>10278576
Still no excuse, but if you're used to being able to just listen to your normal hunger response, and medication alters that, you'll gain weight. But uh, weigh yourself and realize you're gaining weight and then reign it in??? Sincerely, someone with an underperforming thyroid

>>10278897
>>10278906
I'd be happy for a Royal Gate rerelease honestly.

>>10274652
Yes

>>10278929

I own Royal Gate and I'd still be happy for another gate print honestly.

new thread >>10279064

>>10278876
They could be restored or recreated.

>>10276853
We need a carnival dress featuring insects.