/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

The drag x lolita discussion on Rufflechat left me speechless.

>>10268833
I love watching drag race, but if someone wears lolita as drag, they are destroying the very concept of lolita. There is no way to do drag lolita. Sue me.

>>10268838
Agreed. Why does everyone have to constantly cross over shit with lolita, we're not the MCU

someone posted this pic saying:
>"Evah Destruction (who is currently on Dragula Season 3) has done some amazing lolita coordinates with her drag."

Such a hypocrite. If this was done by any girl it would be instantly in ita thread.

>>10268838
>destroying the very concept of lolita
What do you mean?

>>10268833
The worst part is that the queen in question is likely a little and literally did an adult baby look that was really gross.

>>10268860
I feel like when I think of “acceptable” Lolita Drag I think of Scaredy Kat and some ott cutesy shit with some way over the top cutesy makeup but this shit just looks like someone popped your average drag queens head on a mediocre coord.

>>10268833
I really don't get why lolitas are so into drag, especially considering that drag queens haaate it when anyone comes to their show wearing anything cool that could upstage them. Drag queens aren't the only people wearing interesting or avant garde clothing, and I think it's kind of silly to worship them for it. Their outfits are costumes, and they use lolita inspired pieces to go for the whole "I'm a literal baby" valence. They don't care about the history of the fashion, they care that it reads as a weird and provocative statement.

>>10268911
You have a very narrow idea of drag.

>>10268911
My friend went to one of the RuPaul Drag Queens show tour thingies in Lolita and all the queens were fangirling on her coords, saying it reminded them of KimChi or something.

>>10268833
I feel like all the examples posted in the thread are just so poor. Especially the OPs photo. Like it should not be that hard to do a crossover, just take Hime Gyaru hair and make-up and take it a bit more extreme, while using some OTT Lolita coord. However all the queens posted in the thread had just awful make-up or coords in my opinion. Why do they all have to do the most awful-looking contouring? Like I know the countouring is important in drag, but these all just look like a poor make-up job, especially OPs photo. Blend that thing/use tones suitable to your skin color...

But I agree with >>10268838 We always complain that Lolita is not a costume, but letting people treating it as a stage outfit, also just a costume, is not particularly helpful.. But then again we worship men who used Lolita for the same cause, so it is not so surprising everyone is fangirling over Drag Lolita.

>>10268896
That and the obvious Melanie Martinez references are gross too. Keep that shit far the fuck away

How’s the Michigan Comm?

The company that I work for is promoting me, but the catch is that I will live in Metro Detroit.

>>10269236
They are awesome. It might take you a few meets to find the regulars, but definitely attend the big meets hosted by C. to meet some of the older crowd.

oh god the girl in lolita humour saying she wants to wear a coord and "act stupid" at jury duty kek

>>10269405
hi katie

>>10269420
Na that's not Katie, I've met her irl and she's a total bitch. She'd say something much worse than this.

>My comm is holding a meet at a cool cafe
I'd be really excited to go but
>Another close by comm held a meet there literally a month ago and I went then
Am I being weird or is this weird?

>>10268972
Hi Eden

>>10269420
>>10269521
Stop

>>10269481
I think you're being weird; if it's a cool cafe it makes sense it'd be popular for meets. if you enjoyed the cafe, no harm in going again, but if once is enough and your bored of the cafe there's no problem with not going either.

>>10269481
You’re being weird

it comes up like twice a week currently in CoF and BSoLF... people asking what to do with short hair in lolita.
buy a wig. a wig. a wig is what you can use if you have short hair. wig. there is the anwser. a wig.

BSoLF seems to be full of REALLY stupid questions currently and its so hard not to just snap at the itas and babylitas but man. use your brain please. You can ask for opinions but stop asking the online communities to hold your hand through it all.

I’m not sure where else to ask this, but I’ll be visiting California next month for 5 days. I’ll start in San Diego and then drive up through Irvine to visit the Hello Kitty Cafe, and then on to San Francisco to visit AP and Baby, spend a night or two and then drive back down to San Diego to depart back home.
Are they’re any local places you can suggest I visit? I’ll have a car while I’m there.

>>10269591
Tbh I think short hair can work with lolita, but it has to be properly styled and a flattering haircut for the person. A Twiggy-esque pixie cut would be adorable adorned with a headbow.

I do agree that bsolf is too coddley though. I managed to skip the ita phase by doing a ton of research about lolita. My early coords had parts that could be nitpicked, but it’s not that hard to not be outright ita.
Big sisters and middle sisters also all focus on easy to answer questions that really only need a quick google search or with common sense, so you’ll get a ton of replies to “do I need a petticoat?” but little to no replies on legitimate questions like coord suggestions on a hard to coord dress.

>>10269599
SF has plenty of places to have tea. Lovejoy’s is a favorite of the comm’s and there’s a tea place (Crown&Crumpet) on the first floor of the building that BABY is located in.
The sf comm also has an active Facebook group that I suggest you join and ask for suggestions there.

>>10269603
I’m not very active on Facebook unfortunately, but thanks for the info! My boyfriend will be with me, so I don’t think It would be fair to make him go to more than one tea room in one week, so which one do you prefer? I’m trying to make sure I get the most out of my week since I won’t have time off again until June 2020

>>10269599
Why are you driving? SF to SD is going to take over 12 hours, worse if there's accidents (there always are) but flights are cheap and fast.

Anyway, there's always Disney. LA has a VW store if you're interested in that pilgrimage. Otherwise maybe check out the observatory. The museums at Balboa Park are always neat.

>>10269591
I agree that it’s annoying, I hate it too. That said, I feel like part of the issue is the online lolita community feels a bit decentralized right now. Sure, people are on IG and FB, but the way FB groups are formatted they don’t lend themselves well to sharing previously posted information. Sure, people can use the search function but it doesn’t always work the best + admittedly it can be difficult searching through a thread with lots of comments trying to find what you’re looking for (esp if so many people ask a question the results are now bogged down with multiple threads of no answers, just people saying it’s been discussed before). There will always be dumb questions but I feel like as we’ve moved from certain platforms/some sites get deleted etc it has gotten a tad bit harder to directly point someone to a solid piece of info like a link to a blog? A lot of blog posts now too have also become a bit outdated IMO.

>>10269707
That's why we need a proper wiki.

>>10269420
>>10269521
Tea?

>>10269707
I agree, the info is outdated and images are almost entirely gone from all old blogs, making half of the entries irrelevant

There are a scary amount of sissies and sissy apologists in our online comms. Racist ones too.

>>10269765
Imagine comparing a degenerative fetish that likely is a symptom of some sort of mental illness/trauma to a physical characteristic you can't help.

I want to be shocked that sissies are still managing to worm themselves into the community, but then again, we live in a society where trans rights propaganda is rampantly brainwashing people. How sad.

>>10269601
That's because little sisters are so exhausting. I used to try and answer questions but it's not worth it if everything I say is constantly discounted by the OP because they either can't afford it or some other excuse or other little or middle sisters that give trash tier advice that the little sister OPs just eat up. Sometimes people are just straight up rude to those who give good advice for newbies to avoid certain ita staples and pitfalls. It's just not worth it.

>>10268838
Hard agree. I'm not too keen on drag in the first place because it's just men dressed up as a caricature of a woman and playing up the "bitch" personality. A drag queen wearing Lolita feels like a weird slap in the face, like they're treating the fashion as though it's a stage costume.

Adding to >>10268860
it's almost always terrible, just a quick attention grab.

>>10269604
I haven't had lovejoys, but I can vouch for Crown and Crumpet. Every time I go there, the tea and food are exceptional and I am always full. Also, if you do join the Facebook comm group, I'm sure someone could host a meetup on the day(s) you're going. I for one would love to hang out and say hi! :)

>>10269741
I don't know about the Katie thing, that wasn't me. But this Eden girl ( I assume Eden is her drag name) was hopping on every comment on Facebook that didn't 100% agree with drag queens doing lolita shouting, "Look at me! I'm a drag queen that does lolita! Your argument is invalid because you don't REALLY know drag is!" Shit was annoying.

>>10269765

>trying to be SJW about sissyism
>"the blacks"

he doesn't even care about black people he just wants to compare people who think their fetish is gross to racists to try to guilt them into letting him force his fetish on real women.

fuck sissies.

>>10268860

I want to post them there, this coord is seriously ita material just for the makeup alone. But I think it'll get beat down by people who want to scream about how it's "performance art" and not actually real lolita though.

I mean, I get performance art or whatever drag is trying to be, and I'm used to people using "it's otome/casuarori/softloli/my shoes didn't come in time/etc" as their excuse for being badly dressed. It's just kind of a whole other basket when girls are actively using drag queens as their inspiration and basically going "Oh I'm trying hard to look really ugly on purpose today because I loooove dudes in dresses soooo much I want to copy their terrible makeup don't yell at me you don't know what I'm about". Girl, it's ugly, which means you have bad taste; that's all we needed to know.

>>10268860
I hate drag makeup. No amount of explanations will make me like it. 98% of it is hideous.

>>10268833
i heavily dislike drags and gay men in general,as a lesbian.
Lots of them if not all (but they're men so are we surprised?) are obnoxious and mysoginistic.
Drag is ugly as sin and even more so in lolita.

>>10269765
they support trannies,off course they'd support sissies

>>10269872
I feel the same but I can never express how 'problematic' I find some of these people's behavior cause I don't wanna get called a TERF

>>10269872
I feel this. I’m bi and ok with openly gay guys, but I HATE flamboyant “omg yaaass kween” gay guys. I think they make the gay community look bad by being so obnoxious.

>>10268111
Have you guys ever experienced a comm wither away?

>>10269910
It’s amazing how quickly some people will rally behind sissies and you’re the bitch if you call out their gross behavior

>>10269923

i've only seen one shrivel up, it was very sad desu

>>10269923
Beach Cities

>>10269914
Those type of loud gay guys created the gay community

>>10269931
I choked laughing

>>10269929
or call you transphobes lol

>>10269931
>>10269949
What's the story here?

>>10269840
Thanks for spoon-feeding me Anon! I did see that, completely forgot their name was Eden. What an annoying assmad person.

>>10269867
The hilarious thing is that they all hop on saying that drag makeup HAS to be intense, but that's so not the case. Give me some fucking fantasy!! Beat that face until you're unclockable bitch

>>10269961
farrah moan is the perfect example

>>10269873
one of these things is worse than the other

>>10269923
My comm. My comm has 0 activity since Feb. There were only 4 of us out of the 70 in the fb group that ever showed up to anything or actually owned dresses. I'm moving away and I can admit moving to an active comm was on my pro list on uprooting our lives.

>>10269603
Is it safe to wear lolita to walk about in SF? If I ever go I'd love to wear lolita to visit Baby but I've heard that it isn't super safe on certain streets.

>>10269982
Farrah Moan practically looks like a woman already, Miss Fame is a much better example. Her work on other people is incredible, she can make even the most masculine of faces look modelesque.

>>10269604
If you plan on going to tea (either tea shop) on the weekend, make sure you get a reservation. It fills up pretty quickly.

>>10270024
Yeah it’s safe. I’ve walked through the Tenderloin in full on classic lolita before. Nothing happened other than some stares and some guy yelling “Where you going, Cinderella?” at me. I’ve also worn lolita while walking through the Mission several times and it was always just stares and no interaction.
If you’re that worried about being targeted for wearing lolita, wear a casual coord or bring your coord with you and change in the bathroom on the same floor as BABY. The Japantown mall bathrooms are grody so I wouldn’t recommend changing there.

>>10270024
I genuinely don’t understand this mindset. The vast majority of the time it won’t be any less safe to wear lolita anywhere. If you’re already walking through a shady part of town your clothes won’t make a big difference, if you’re worried just make sure not to be alone.

>>10270024
yeah its fine. The area around baby and AP aren't the worst part anyways. Some girls in the comm got harassed like two months ago but it was teenagers so it wasn't too bad. If you feel unsafe just walk into a place of business where there's witnesses. The funny thing is that you're dressed up so weird that even the hobos leave you alone lol

>>10270024
the area around Baby is probably the best place to wear lolita, japantown is like in it's own little secluded section. When I went in July, there were other Lolitas / other people in j-fashion hanging out

AP's a bit weirder because it's next to a bunch of high-brand stores so you're gonna get some looks, but you're like not going to get mugged or anything at either location

>>10270024
If you're any big california cities (SF, LA, san diego, etc.) you're going to get a lot of weirdos, druggies, and homeless people. I notice they tend to be the most vocal towards lolitas but they're generally not dangerous. They just yell at you to get a rise, and it's best to simply walk away.

>>10268904
Scaredy-cat is awful. Totally a little and “her” make up ain’t cute.

>>10269923
Yes, I brought it back from the dead and now bitches are out to kill it again. Sux.

>>10270177
Congrats. Want a medal?

>>10270120
This. If you wear lolita in public at all, you’re already putting yourself out there even if you’re at a meet. Of course people shouldn’t harass you or take photos without permission, but there’s really no safe space to wear lolitas except at cons and tea parties.

>>10270229
I don't get it, I have absolutely no problems wearing lolitas. Homeless people never bother me and a lot of people actually run away while I'm wearing them. Maybe it's the kind of lolitas you're wearing or it might be my area, not sure

>>10270246
I don't find the discussion of homelessness in San Francisco to be an anomaly. There are a lot of homeless walking around Harajuku amongst lolitas.

quick question why are there so many retards on Facebook

>>10270120
You sound kind of naive. When you're in a bad neighborhood it's best to blend in and not draw extra attention to yourself. The shops anon mentioned aren't in particularly bad areas though so she probably shouldn't worry.

>>10270181
nayrt but they were answering the question so what's with the attitude?

>>10268904
They were literally the point of the orignal fb post though. And wore a diaper on the show so can't agree on that.

Excited for a meet on Sunday! Life kind of sucks right now and I'm always busy, so I'm glad to be able to take some time and hang out with my friends in the comm.

>>10270588
Probably one of the bitches.

>>10270584
I live in a big city but thanks, good to know I haven’t lost my youthful innocent appeal

People like this shouldn't be allowed to post it lolita groups

>>10271683
By exciting she mean Ero or military/jeweltone cats is all she's into. search the person across the groups, it's pretty cringe posts all around. Admits to buying ebay trashlita and being wowed by bodyline's material

>>10271683
>convincing themselves that having the flashiest, most 'exciting' prints are the most important thing in this fashion in order to make themselves feel better about not owning any higher quality pieces
> also acting like this is an unpopular, never before thought of viewpoint instead of something poor/fat/lazy itas tell themselves to feel better instead of putting the effort into learning to shop smart and building a decent wardrobe.

Also why do people like this always act like AP and their prints are the highest pinnacle of lolita? They seem to treat it as the threshold for just about everything with in this fashion.

I wanna host a sewing/embroidery meetup but I live with my parents who are mildly intrusive. Them popping in to check on us would be most embarrassing behavior and I would probably quit my comm there and then. I have no ideas for other venues
What do, gulls?

>>10271939
Our local library has community rooms for rent for parties. Community centres do too. Otherwise cohost with someone who's got the space.

>>10271939
Do you have a Joann's near? Their teaching space can be borrowed for no cost, they'll even set up guests with spare machines if needed. You just have to coordinate with their class schedule.

>>10270133

Nope. The area around the New People building is among the worst places to wear lolita. It's full of tourists and you will be treated like an exotic zoo animal or asked if you're a "performer" 100% of the time. Clueless old people and obnoxious teenagers will just start taking pictures of you and asking you weird questions. Practically anywhere else in SF is better. Speaking from experience.

>>10271941
>>10272006
these are great ideas, thank you! <3

My comm wants to do everything downtown, but I don't want to get stabbed...

>>10272096
are you racist or just classist?

>>10272110
NAYRT, but some downtown areas of cities are legitimately dangerous, especially in full lolita.
I've seen a few meetups fail to sell all their tickets because the hosts picked out a venue in a bad area. This isn't a new or unreasonable concern.

>>10272110
I think they’re just stupid

>>10272178
That last comment, Mana modelling for Baby hahahahahahahhhaha

try harder

>>10272178
How do people with brains this small even remember how to breathe?

>>10271716
I don't get the dichotomy Taobao <-> AP in that post to begin with.
It's not like AP is the only Japanese brand and "Taobao" in itself is such a huge oversimplification of all the Chinese lolita brands that sell there that it makes no sense at all in this context.

>>10272193
EW WTF NO

>>10272193
God can they stop already

>>10272178
Didn't Kaya explicitly say he's not a drag queen? How did he participate in the scene besides attending than one con in America?

>>10272198
That's what I don't understand. They act like the whole entire fashion is binary. Not like people have varied wardrobes or know how to shop for cheap brand or anything.

I know AP sweet gets the most representation but it really weirds me out that they never at least mention BTSSB or something.

>>10271716
>>10272237

It's probably the one thing that most newbie can recognise -- not the fabric quality, not the trim details, not the lace, not the way the lace is ruffled (which is a huge deal on most replicas, even non-AP replicas).It probably forms their one and only reference point because it's the only thing they can recognise.

As for why no mention of btssb -- I think a lot of girls like sweet pastel AP. In fact, I'm convinced the ones whining the loudest about why AP is Not The World's Greatest(tm) are probably the ones that desire AP the most but for some reason or another have decided they can't own any of it, so they go out of their way to tell everyone that they don't want it anyway.

>>10272244
I guess you're right, and AP is probably the most replicated now that I think about it too, so within their shitty newb ita 'brand is impossible' circles they probably see a lot of 'AP' whereas btssb is less trendy. Probably for the best, a lot of secondhand btssb is dirt cheap, more for me.

>I'm convinced the ones whining the loudest about why AP is Not The World's Greatest(tm) are probably the ones that desire AP the most but for some reason or another have decided they can't own any of it, so they go out of their way to tell everyone that they don't want it anyway.

Pretty much. They've decided that they just can't have it because it's just so expensive/small/hard to get so instead they delude themselves. It's also ironic that the ones who complain about price always end up paying out the ass for a closet full of cheap replicas or bodyline/taobao/literal amazon trash, because AP is just too expensive and not 'exciting' enough.

>>10272216
Yeah he did, multiple times and even recently like in within this month or something. He really didn’t do anything else than attending Drag Con and become friends with that one contestant.

>>10272182
I think they’re talking about Kaya modeling for Baby

>>10272193
Be miffed.
Tyler was right though. Lolita and drag don't go together, especially RuPaul's version of drag.
Plus he only proved that Lolita and drag are ugly as fuck since he went with that god awful Amazon dress

>>10272193
>>10272307
Samefagging, you can't convince me that F+F, why is it so shiny?????

>>10272193
Well, that sums it. Lolita is not a costume, but his person seems to think otherwise lol that's why these shouldn't be mixed.

>>10272310

F+F has always been like a more customiseable Bodyline, actually. There's a handful of ita stuff you need to avoid, some fabrics you should never buy, and at one point about half the shop was simply movie costumes, like Alice in Wonderland's curtain dress used to be mixed into the other lolita stuff.

They also do custom clothes, so it's even possible that this started out an all right design but then the ita picked out a fabric that's shiny and cheap.

>>10272166
Sorry if this is retardedly obvious but what is the semantic difference they're drawing between "costume" and "performance"? It'd be like seeing one of these guys and having them tell you this isn't a costume.

>>10271683
>>10271695
They are also a self-proclaimed MS. Honestly there should be a stricter requirement for MS too cause there's too many newbs masquerading as one.

>>10272323
HAMMER TIME PANTS

>>10272316
My first thought was "she probably bought this in their costume section".

>>10272345
I never get it, Some people just don't know how to internet. I'm kinda surprised this op at least knows how to use taobao. Similar cases I know from my personal surroundings just don't get how to use any of these sites and mostly buy stuff in person at events or in facebook groups because they can't handle any other way of shopping.

>>10272345
>>10272406

The really big magic for me is she somehow figured out Bodyline and taobao, but jump to Japanese burando and there's only Fril? I mean closet child and wunderwelt are in English, and it's not like you don't come across the odd bargain on lacemarket itself. Y!ja and mbok are even available to zenmarket even if she didn't use Fril.

Or if she knows how to use the other stuff she could've just asked "Which shopping services can buy from Fril" rather than beat around the bush talking about secondhand brand and then acting like Fril is the only Japanese secondhand market?

>>10272323

I'll take a shot at this.

There's a lot of lolitas who talk about discovering themselves, or how dressing in lolita reflects their personal style or statement. One of the older GLBs had a mana spread that went one about the lady in the mirror who is their inner self.

My guess is they kind of conflated it to mean something like "living a performance", as opposed to a trained street monkey that dons a costume and dances for a few peanuts. It's like their existence is supposed to be some kind of art statement (I mean, I don't know WHAT kind of statement requires that kind of face...) that's supposed to be thought-provoking even if it wasn't your stereotypical art hanging in a museum or performed in a theatre.


.......If you ask me they sound downright delusional and chuunibyou as fuck. At least the street performer was just looking for his next meal so his costume can be excused, or if they're an actual drag queen then it's publicity for their show (which is still inappropriate for CoF -- they really ought to start banning drag queens on the grounds of "unsolicited advertising is not welcome"), if they're just randomly tossing on bad makeup with a terrible outfit I don't really know what their "art" is for.

>>10272174
>she is my mom who gave birth to me
Yeah, I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. Seriously those men are disgusting.

>>10272193
I wonder why they shooped out the chest hair for this picture when it's super obvious and gag causing in other photos. Why they knew theyd be roasted alive if they posted that version.

Looks like it not a problem anymore

>>10272574
>lots of positive attention
>on COF
>implying it means anything given half the people there have awful taste and cannot dress

>>10272574
Trans my ass he has referred to himself with masculine pronouns many times in the past. It’s only now that he’s being called out on his bs that he is claiming trans.

>>10270246
>I have absolutely no problems wearing lolitas.
>Homeless people never bother me...while I'm wearing them.
>the kind of lolitas you're wearing

Back to >>/x/ with you, skinwalker-chan

>>10272574
when i saw that post i thought he was a woman so gj i guess...? LMAO

>>10272624
His obesity is giving him female secondary sex characteristics so I don't blame you anon.
>moobs
>round face with no definition/ no jawline

>>10272323
>>10272529
I think some lolitas see themselves as "living doll" type situations where their appearance is so extreme or bizarre that they become a spectacle whenever they go outside or post online. Or they think their wardrobe is completely revolutionary and akin to avant garde.
I don't personally consider my lolita wardrobe or look to be art, performance or otherwise, but I've had some people in the art industry comment on my "artistic lifestyle" or "performance art." Maybe it makes them feel smart to talk about it in an academic context?
IMO, the big difference between considering your wardrobe as a "costume" for performance art is intent. I could see it if a lolita rented out or specifically utilized a certain space to locate a performance piece, but seeing as most lolitas don't do that, I can't actually call it performance art. There's no specific location involved and no greater artistic concept the clothing is being used for.

>>10272574
Thank God. Keep your shitty drag pics out of CoF.

>>10272622
Ams honestly? It's this bullshit that makes me hate transtrenders in Lolita.

Now they're gonna claim we aren't inclusive because we're sick of his ugly ass clogging up the Lolita timeline

>>10272193
their makeup gets worse and worse. western drag makeup will NEVER work with lolita styles. lolita has rules. and i fucking hate people trying to throw crossdressers (mana, community members etc) under the bus with these ugly fuckers. DRAG as what we know DRAG as will NEVER work in lolita. the dresses + styles do not suit the makeup.

>>10272627
this. god maybe if he lost some weight. hes just so ugly i cant. i vomit every time he posts a photo and says some dumb shit and the second anyone is like "hey what u said was dumb" he throws a tantrum like grow up you ugly man baby

>>10272574
apparently everyone who commented in that thread are TERFs now because bloated corpse chan didn't get the asspats he wanted.

This person is so confused or stupid, considering that rupaul comment is reflecting what tyler said and everyone else in that fucking thread.

>>10272679
He looks like the cook brothers from Little Nightmares kek.
Also ofc he is crying about twanzphobia lel, men are so entitled and will go to lenghts to prove THEY are oppressed.

Gtfo lolita, busted excuse of a drag

>>10272751
oh my god he does

>>10269843
i love how you go on to say "black people" kys whitey.

>>10272679
Fuck this bloated tranny corpse and his harem of handmaidens. Nothing says "I'm a woman" quite like using a misogynistic slur.

>>10272762
I now must invoice you for a new keyboard and monitor as I spat coffee all over mine.

>>10272770
>his harem
Gross

>>10272827
They sure sound upset.
Good thing they're staying away from our fashion,but geez,if they can't handle a fashion community they probably can't handle life itself and just sit at home being a NEET like the spoonies they are

Anyone else in the otome closet group tired of this girl spamming her vintage coords in the group?
She has no idea what otome is and it shows.
If you want to post your vintage outfits just post them on instagram like everyone else.

>>10272918
This is just all vintage, I wish she'd stop.
The outfits are nice but they just aren't relevant to the group at all.

>>10272918
she has a super punchable smug face, like ben shapiro

>>10268896
>Likely

>>10272986
I find her face rather kissable myself...

>>10272918
>>10272920
I don't even like otome or vintage but she's pretty cute. I'd follow.

>>10272987
I was thinking about Scaredy Kat but eeeeww.

>>10270003
Agreed, I'm cool with trans people, just not fake trans sissies/adbl.

>>10272986
>>10272988
Both of you are fucking cringey

>>10269599
Know that he drive from SD to SF is loooong-- took me around 16 hours last time I did it. Anyways, in LA there are several Ladurees (the Grove one is the best) and SD has a restaurant called extraordinary desserts that's cute and yummy. I like vintage shopping in Magnolia Park in LA, and check out the fabric district if you like to Sew and little tokyo for the weeb shit. Also in Irvine near the HK cafe theres a cute specialirt macaron shop.

>>10273040
Is it really that long? I estimated about 10 hours. I would be leaving about 10am on a Sunday morning so I didn’t expect to get there till late at night anyways, and start my shopping on Monday. This is what my gps estimates

>>10273069
There are some factors that'll play into it-- LA traffic is generally always crazy and since you're taking the 5 then you're likely to run into it. There's a border patrol station north of SD that often causes ~1 hr delays for no reason. Between LA and Stockton there is never traffic, but once you get into the bay it gets crazy again. But it's good that you'll go on a Sunday since you'll avoid construction traffic. Tbh if you want a really fun drive try taking PCH for some of the drive.

>>10273069
You don't think 8 hours is long?

>>10273096
nayrt but no it's really not.

>>10272679
If you're a man who identifies as male and someone says your dress looks cheap WHAT the fuck does that have to do with trans? Drag was a mistake, its all cishets wanting to feel special now

>>10272997
I used to like drag because it was a culture that told me hey, you can express yourself freely and be accepted as you are. Now drag to me is sissy degenerates and parents who exploit kids for money. Kinda makes me sad, I miss the days when it was a comforting, accepting community to me as someone who’s had to be closeted all my life :(
But I can’t just look at shit like this and pretend it doesn’t exist, either.

>>10273096
euro detected

>>10273116
I mean, it's a work day for most people.. but ok?

>>10273129
Wrong. I'm in the US.

>>10272679
Someone reported his profile kek.

>>10273140
based

>>10273140
I don't understand how someone can identify as female, have a female name change, yet not even bother to look like who they identify as, as clearly shown in his other images with beard and chest hair. At this point, Andrea is actually looking legit compared to this gross sissy-sounding transtrender

>>10272918
nah, this is cute. otome is a fake made up term anyway.
not to mention, that group is so dead. at least she's posting regularly.

>>10273162
Angel is a male name in hispanic cultures. Just sayin

>>10272918
I'm with you my dudette. This has no styling whatsoever. Just add something to make it look cute, like a necklace or a headband, I don't ask for much.

>>10272679
He can fuck himself with a spike desu.....

>>10273096
Nah. I once did a 31 hour ride and that wasn't long to me.

>>10273186
So does that mean that I can start posting generic Jfash shit in that group now?

Made up or not, there's still a certain aesthetic and straight up vintage ain't it Karen.

>>10273230
sounds like you can die mad about it

>>10273237
Sorry no one cares about your vintage coords. Learn how to jfash before spamming the group.

>>10272918
>>10272920
These are just vintage coords, but most of the girls in the otome group don't know how to dress themselves either.
Clearly they can't tell the difference between otome or vintage now so what's the point.

>>10272633

Yes, the art intent is what brings it out for me, and I don't even really need there to be a rented space or something. If you have a message, an idea, something you want to promote, or even very normal things like you have a show or some trinkets you want people to buy, or something, and you essentially turn your whole online life into some kind of promotion material for that then it makes sense to label it performance art, it's not really reflecting reality or your actual real life, it's all a show put on for one reason or another.

And I kind of get there's no way to escape what other people call you -- I dressed in black one year and became known as "goth girl", didn't manage to lose the label even when I dressed in pastel AP. People will make up weird shit, I don't blame folks if they get an odd label slapped on.

But... just going into it and slapping a "it's performance art" on yourself isn't some magic card that gives you immunity towards people thinking it's ugly. Ugly is ugly, there's not getting around it just by throwing a bunch of words around.

If anything, with the amount of attention they're getting for being ugly, that should have puffed them up. There's people looking at their art (sure, it's ugly, but there is attention on their "art"). Instead this person started deleting stuff and runs away like a butthurt ita. What art is that.

>>10273162
I don’t think he changed his name. I think the middle name is most likely made up bs. Angel is a man’s name. I’ve never met a girl with the name angel, just a bunch of ironically, fat douchebags, so this guy fits the personality type this name is associated with too.

>>10273315
Angel is a common female name in Southeast Asia and less commonly in English speaking countries, but I think it’s a male name in Hispanic cultures? Anyway I can believe that he legally changed his name to be basically “Angelface” because... yeah. Though if his parents’ really were the ones to name him that I guess it explains something about how he turned out the way he did.

>>10272918
That's J, right? Aka the same girl who constant spams 5+ year old pics on CoF? She's gorgeous but I'm getting really tired of her attention seeking. She doesn't even wear lolita any more irl.

>>10269232
Melanie literally did nothing wrong

>>10273315
I've known a couple of girls called Angel. It's not a white people name where I live (euro) it's more black girls who are named that here than white girls. Angel does sound like the sort of name a girl would call herself as a 'loliable' name.

>>10272574
>>10272679
Blogpost incoming.
I'm pretty unimpressed with Drag-chan for baleeting and telling everyone that I'm a TERF. When I made the feminine spaces comment to which this person refers, I had no idea what their gender was, and I would have said what I did to a cis woman, too. The irony of this all is that I'm nothing like what these people >>10272827
have assumed. I am kink-critical, but otherwise a pretty open-minded queer woman, and I do everything in my power to make the trans women and transfeminine people in my comm and in my life feel safe to be themselves.

This garbage behaviour of turning a form of dress that all kinds of women and men love and wear every day into a costume for a stage performance without any regard for the subculture it comes from grills my fucking cheese. Lolita is a love letter to femininity in every day life. Making a costume of it is an insult to everyone -of all genders- who loves this fashion and everything it represents.

>>10273348
So you dont mind molesting your friends when they are high on spliff eh

>>10273436
I totally agree.

>>10273322
Well I am Hispanic, and he looks like he is too, which is why I have come to my conclusion.

>>10273436
>Lolita is a love letter to femininity in everyday life.

I love this, and I'm agreed with you. Lolita isn't a costume; it's beautiful clothes, sure, but it's also (for me personally) a community I've been a part of for nearly a decade; it's an extension of my femininity, an extension of my love for history and fashion; and a way for me to hold on to certain aspects of my girlhood now that I am older and in my womanhood. It often feels like girlhood and childish things are looked down upon, and girls are supposed to grow out of their girlhood at earlier and earlier ages. Women who hold onto "childish" things, cute things, or who do not dress and act according to the male gaze are scorned, or at least labeled weirdos. I want to be able to hold onto those innocent things that I associate with girlhood--like stuffed animals, pastels, bright colors and cute rather than minimalistic clothes, fairy tales and tea parties--and be able to still enjoy them as part of my life as a grown woman. And I feel like Lolita encourages that, or at least gives me the confidence to do so.

I'm sure that my feelings don't speak for all Lolitas, but I am equally sure that Lolita holds some type of personal significance to all of us. And that's why it shouldn't be something to be paraded on stage as a costume, or used for shock value or as a method for gaining likes or notoriety in a community someone doesn't even belong to.

>>10273436
I agree with you, and if you were a TERF (and I can't stand those) I would still agree with you. Cause you're right anon. BloatedCorpse-chan needs to chill the fuck out. They can't take any criticism and that's their problem, not ours. Looks like shit, wears it as a costume and then calls it art hoping they'll get away with it. Everyone with critique is a terf apparently. I don't get why sjw's defend this idiot so much imo. They don't see BloatedCorpse-chan is just using their gullible asses. Not sure I buy the "I'm trans" act either, why would a legit trans person want to be a drag queen? They want to be taken seriously as a woman, not as a caricature of one I'd assume.

>>10273467
The actual trans people I know don't wave their transness in people's faces all the time any more than the cis people I know wave their cisness in people's faces. They just are people who happen to be trans.

>>10273467
> Looks like shit, wears it as a costume and then calls it art hoping they'll get away with it
I didn't even watch LWLN's video, so I can't comment on anything she said. But this my issue with Drag-chan. Yes, OTT lolita exists, but you can still have shitty OTT cords. I admire nicely applied drag makeup, but I have yet to see a lolita incorporating it. Drag-chan just straight up looks shitty and has a shitty attitude. It's not that deep or hard to understand

>>10273467
> Looks like shit, wears it as a costume and then calls it art hoping they'll get away with it
I didn't even watch LWLN's video, so I can't comment on anything she said. But this my issue with Drag-chan. Yes, OTT lolita exists, but you can still have shitty OTT coords. I admire nicely applied drag makeup, but I have yet to see a lolita incorporating it. Drag-chan just straight up looks shitty and has a shitty attitude. It's not that deep or hard to understand

>>10273162
it didn't get a name change the facebook profile lists its real name now (confirmed via linkedin)

>>10273315
>>10273322
>>10273351
its name isn't angel, on facebook the (name) is the real one

>>10273140
what a sad existence

>>10273348
>Melaine apologist
>Jojo meme
checks out

>>10273469
true,and they also mostly recognize they aren't "real" women or men. they are TRANS women and TRANS men.

bloated corpse chan is the kind to be trans just as a way to invade female spaces and silence women by calling them TERFs at the slightest argument.

>>10273543
Curious as to how many trans people you actually know if you think they wouldn’t be offended by people saying they aren’t “real” women/men

>>10273436
I think a majority of us agree with you, and I'm sorry degenerates came for you like that.

>>10273542
I hate all the so-called lolitas obsessed with Melanie Martinez. Get out and stay out, ageplayers.

>>10273464
Can we have a comfy thread again? Please? I totally agree with this statement. Please let's get away from this argument about drag and TERF's.

>>10273613
What if I think 1 song is a banger?

>>10273649
I specifically said people who are obsessed with her, no need to get your bloomers in a bunch

>>10269941
no, they didn't.

>>10272827
why are these creeps allowed in this group?

>>10273348
Accusations or no, I don’t want her baby shit anywhere near lolita.

>>10273520
What are you on about? If you look at the post he is claiming Angel is his real name.

>>10273655
No bunched bloomers, lol.

>>10273520
Apparently he "proved" it to Fazcebook but yeah I am pretty sure his real name is in the (section)

>>10273790
This. She was disgusting before the accusations and she’s still disgusting now.

>>10272622
if you go through their old photos they are obviously female

>>10273882
Just looks like a fat lil kid to me. My friends kid looked like this when he was younger.

>>10273520
found this

>>10273882
No, I have a friend with 2 fat (bio)male kids and they have similar long-ish wavy hair, they look just like this. Some boys look a bit feminine when they are fat. Drag-chan was kinda adorable here in this pic, too bad they turned out to be a creepy psychotic snowflake and shit at doing drag make-up.

>>10273887
linkedin says he's a starbucks barista, live ur dream queen~*! kek

>>10273882
Looks like my brothers fat friend

>>10273327
Yeah I didn't notice but you're right! It is J.
No idea who she is.

I'm fine with her posting old coords on CoF, but I wish she'd keep her normie clothes out of otome closet.

RC should be renamed “Post whatever you want as long as you vaguely mention lolita at some point: pity parties for everyone edition”

>>10274275
As an Asian-American, this sounds made up. That or OP is overly sensitive.

>>10274275
I honestly did not understand what the huge deal was, obviously her dress was inspired by traditional dress so it makes sense that a stranger gets curious about that? Ffs how is that even comparable to the negative stereotypes she apparently experienced before, just tell her it's not a traditional dress but it's inspired by her culture or something.

>>10274281
I was thinking the same thing, or at least exaggerated. Like I know some morons who’d say things like that but only directed at weeaboos to rile them up, not actual Asian people.

>>10274275
are you just farting into your hands & typing the farts onto the internet?

>>10274290
lol I’m a white European and I’ve been asked if my coords are my country’s traditional costume literally every time I’ve visited the US and Canada. People are curious and often kinda dumb, it comes with the territory when you dress alternatively.

>>10274293
I was also asked by some Asian guy if I'm from Russia because of my coord. I don't even look Russian at all and the coord in question did not have anything that looks remotely close to Russian culture. But I suppose that maybe he saw some lolitas in Moscow or something, a lot of indie designers seem to be based there and I heard that the comm is pretty big. Speaking of Europe, I can see how some JSKs are prone to be mistaken for German traditional dress, the real ones are very high quality and go for the same price point as brand.

>>10274298
I totally love the dresses that are styled after European traditional dresses, and I consider my favorite 'substyle' even if there is no label for it.

>>10274440
It’s my favorite style as well, but I think that’s all technically shoved under the country lolita label although imo it should be it’s own substyle. Folk lolita, maybe?

>>10273588
That's only the truth though.
Transmen and transwomen will never be real men and women.
Ever.
And if you think otherwise you are deluded,no cutting your penis or mutilating your vag will make you anymore of a woman or a man

>>10274496
^^^ this, all you can do is change how you present to the world socially, hormone therapy and surgeries won’t change your chromosomes, it’s cringey as hell imo when people say that “trans women/men are WOMEN/MEN”, because really they’re not, that’s why they’re *trans*

>>10269872
yes, someone said it, fucking thank you

>>10273464
I love you anon. I feel the same.

>>10274275
poor oppressed asians.

>>10274462
I named it "Storybook Goth".

>>10274275
sounds like a fake asian
because actual asians know that oriental is used to describe carpets, not people
i bet shes autistic

>>10273464
I am a brolita, and I totally agree with you. I keep my effeminate self hidden.

>>10274275
Boohoo. People ask if it's my traditional dress all the time. If you let comments get to you, why bother wearing lolita? Especially since an old lady calling you an Oriental is just an eyeroll. People will say much worse things about lolitas, is this really the worst she's got?

Anyone else weirded out by this fucking troon?
No one has banned him yet,they even use "she" on him

>>10274847
This guy was posted before, he's into ddlg and proudly incontinent

>>10274440
I think it's part of "country" style, but not the out-in-the-countryside meaning but the different-countries meaning like wa and qi. Awkward that it's the same word for both.

>>10274855
>proudly incontinent
I hate trannies, but that's based af

>>10274875
The way he discloses it reads as diaper fetishism, but maybe that's just me being jaded.

>>10274876
diaper fetishism isn't that based, but proudly incontinent is, hhhmhhhh...

>>10274847
Ugh, this disgusting sissy diaperfag again. I don't get why they don't ban the very obvious fetishists.

>>10274496
>>10274498

so confirmed neither of you actually know any trans people, got it

>>10274605
"oriental" (or a variant of it) is the proper word for "asian" in a lot of non-english languages. just sayin

>>10275048
They are their biological sex and sex is unchangeable, so how are TIMs "real women" and TIFs "real men" anon?

>>10275048
Wow, tell us about this amazing transgender person that you totally know who managed to change their sex chromosomes on the molecular level.

>>10275097
it's also a quote here, so the woman called her "oriental", not the op herself.

Seeing people post their coords in the comments of other girls coord submissions on CoF is so embarrassing.
You bitches look so thirsty for asspats

Anyone familiar with the New Orleans comm? Just moved down here and I'm anxious

>>10274847
>trans lesbian
of fucking course

>>10274612
If you're a brolita you never had a girlhood or a womanhood. You're not a woman, so you simply cannot understand what Lolita means to women.

>>10275364
They can still enjoy it and have their own special meaning tied to the fashion.

It just isn't quite the same as for women because we are socialized so differently and our relationship to femininity is different than that of men, even gay or effeminate ones.

Even trans women who were usually still raised and socialized as men and decide they're women later.

>>10274876
>>10274880
did you guys miss where he said he was an abdl (adult baby diaper fetishist) in his instagram bio as well as a “sub brat little age 3”

>>10275345
Yes I've visited them a few times, they are quite nice!

>>10275364
>girlhood
As a cis woman I have to ask: wtf does this mean? Trans women didn’t grow up being put in dresses and having their hair in pigtails?

Girls in my comm:
>tfw not straight
>ugh I'm sooo gay
>tfw no qt lolita gf to hold hands with
>speaking as a member of the LGBTQ+ community...
>haha stupid cishets
>hey it's LGBTQ+ visibility day/week/month so LOOK AT MEEEEE

Same girls a week later:
>hey can I bring my boyfriend to this meet

>>10275840
They could be bi or pan, anon.

>>10275356
That never made sense to me..... Just because you think you're a girl, doesn't mean you're a lesbian. You still got a dick.... You're a dude. How does that work....

>>10275891
nayrt but I'm bi and I wouldn't say any of this unless I was single or dating a woman, especially because well she's in a straight relationship... talking about LGBTQ visibility day or being a member of the community is fine tho, but if shes dating a guy shes not gay or looking for a gf at all?!

>>10275891
Bisexuals tend to be the least cringe part of the LGBT community. If someone is being a cringelord pretending to be gay then end up in a straight relationship, I'll sooner assume they were putting on an act than them actually being bi.

>>10275802
First off, learn to read. The anon you're replying to says that trans women never experienced childhood as girls. Therefore it's not about trans women in pigtails or not.

Girlhood has become a term within women's studies to contain the particular experience of growing up as a girl. Childhood is shared across genders, but girlhood is specific. The term comes hand in hand with the supposition that most girls living under the patriarchy ran into similar cultural influences, not to forget the biological experience of puberty as we transition into womanhood. Boyhood is a term too, of course.

>>10275891
Pan
Do you mean biphobic bi?

>>10275840
The unfortunate side effect of bi/pan girls counting as LGBT even when they’re in straight relationships (this coming from someone who is bi/pan). I see lot of this “lol i’m so gaaayy~” stuff from women who are literally married to men and have been for years. Yes, you don’t suddenly stop being attracted to the same sex when you enter a het relationship, but these types always seem to be the loudest about it. Doesn’t help that the fashion seems to attract the worst attention-seeking types.

I wish they would at least stop overusing the word “gay” to describe themselves so there’d be less whiplash when I find out they’re in a committed relationship with a man.

What do you do at a meet when you want to order a 4-course dinner (and some others, including the host, want to as well) but other attendees only want to order 1 course with 1 drink?

Nvm, I thought I was posting in the comm thread but I see this is actually /lgbt/. My bad.
>>10276053

>>10275802
>"as a ciswoman"
>girlhood equates to girls being put into dresses and having hair bows

(x) doubt

>>10276059
Yeah they totally forgot the sleepovers where we paint each other’s toenails and have erotic pillow fights!

Incidentally, one sissy and another brolita-who-insists-he’s-not-a-sissy-but-is-probably-a-sissy in my comm both tried their darnedest to organize sleepover/makeover meetups at someone’s home. The scariest part is that a handful of underage members were actually willing to go so thank god the mods shut that shit right down.

>>10276066
Nayrt but damn that is creepy. Glad the mods intervened anon.

>>10275956
kek

>>10276066
Why weren't they banned from the comm?

>>10276102
The obvious sissy got the boot, but afaik the shady brolita is still around though I haven’t seen him at any meetups. I believe this has happened in more than one comm though so it’s possible you’re thinking of a different one.

>>10276066
>underage lolitas
were they wearing sweet as well? Holy shit link me to some pics.

>>10276053
I'm usually the person who orders one large plate of something because I have GI issues and if there's 4 courses, I probably won't be able to eat at least 75% of the menu. If someone wants to order 4 courses, I'd be okay with that, it's not a cult, we don't have to all eat the same thing like heavens gate or something.
>Tfw auto correct to 'heavens gay'. No fucking lie.
Tl;dr.do what you want. I went to a meet last year where half of the girls had afternoon tea and half had normal food. No one cares about what you're eating.

>>10275802
The shared cultural experiences that girls have from being raised to be nice, thin, cute, kind, caring, sweet, etc. As opposed to how boys are raised to be competitive, "strong," creative, hard working. It's across cultures, I was raised in the west but the Sailor Moon stereotype of the pretty, ditzy girl was extremely similar to how my friends and I were treated by our parents. No one valued our successes and encouraged us academically, they just put down our looks and weight. A lot of my friends are now obese, I had an eating disorder and am now healthy. Lolita is an awesome motivation to stay healthy so dresses look good

>>10276206
This rambling makes 0 sense, please blog about this elsewhere, thanks

>>10276208
ok tranny

>>10276066
Which comm?

>>10275364
True. Lolita doesn't mean sex to me. I just like (more than just passively) the same things about Lolita that lolitas like. I also love dressing in Lolita.

>>10276066
How can I possibly forget that? TIMs and sissies don't get that all that teen porn they jerk off to is fake. I never once had a pillow fight, I wrestled with the boys (or straight up beat the shit out of them) when I was younger. Scrotes are truly the inferior sex.

>>10275802
Yes

>>10276059
I’m asking what the fuck “girlhood” means in the context it’s being presented in. Not every cis woman runs in the same circles as you and will not know the implications of every term just because you happen to know it. You didn’t know it at one point yourself, right?

>>10276206
So basically if a girl isn’t raised in this particular way she’s less valid as a girl or something? That’s sort of weird.

>>10276403
Nta but no, all biological girls and afab intersex people have this in common. Nobody is raised in a vacuum so even if parents are actively trying to raise their children gender-neutral, they still pick up this socialisation from their peers and society at large. The concept of sex-specific socialisation is fundamental feminist theory so if you’re genuinely interested I suggest you look into older feminist literature rather than trusting an anon on a Vietnamese basket weaving board to articulately explain it.

>>10276410
>>10276206
>all biological girls and afab intersex people have this in common
>Nobody is raised in a vacuum so even if parents are actively trying to raise their children gender-neutral, they still pick up this socialisation from their peers and society at large
Wrong. I don't know what midwestern shithole you grew up in, or maybe you're just an old person (I will admit to being a zoomer), but the idea of
>girls being raised to be nice, thin, cute, kind, caring, sweet, etc
is pretty dated. I'm not just saying the idea is bad and should be abolished, I'm saying it already has been abolished in most civilized places. I was born in the year 2000, and I cannot recall a single piece of modern media from my childhood that pushed that idea. Everything was all about "girl power" and "girls can do anything." Sassy, powerful, "strong" female characters are everywhere and I cannot think of a single Disney show I watched as a kid that didn't feature a "strong" female character. There was the idea of being kind and caring, but I never thought it was directed at girls specifically, more of a general "be nice to people" message. Exact same thing in school. I had a teacher that literally refused to call on boys 99% of the time, but that's an extreme case. Girls basically own English and social studies classes in terms of grades, and math and science are quickly becoming the same way. The "women in stem" thing is being pushed in public schools really hard right now, and in my little sister's middle school, the robotics club is mostly girls. Body positivity is another thing that is everywhere, and being big is celebrated. Now, certain ethnic groups have their own standards, and while in some cultures being thin is still desirable, I grew up being picked on and bullied for being too skinny. And not just the "baby darling, you're so skinny you need to eat here I made you food" thing.
(1/3)
is just... inaccurate and retarded as fuck.

My cousins are still assholes about me being a perfectly healthy weight because I'm not "thicc" and I'm "never gonna get a husband" and I'm "not a real woman" and shit like that. In general you're seeing a lot more fat people in media. I will say that the fat girls are still mostly hourglass in some way, big breasted and thicc thighs/big ass, but "thin," which is what was specicially said, is no longer in.
>boys are raised to be competitive, "strong," creative, hard working
Growing up, the girls I knew and were friends with were far more competitive academically than the boys, even (especially) in high school. In other stuff, guys were more competitive among each other, but they would never dare try to one up a girl unless they wanted to be known as an asshole. I think that's a key thing, that girls can be competitive against each other and guys, but guys can't show any competitveness or small aggressions towards a girl. Guys are actively pushed away from "creative" pursuits like art, theatre, writing, etc. The only "artistic" thing guys are "allowed" to do is band. But I noticed that in high school guys were doing these creative things more than they had back in elementary and middle school. Might have something to do with maturity, might have something to do with times changing. Seriously, guys are not socialized to be creative. Creativity is a female thing now. As for hard working, I really wouldn't say that's associated with males anymore, so much as it's just a general idea
>inb4 that's all anecdotal so it doesn't count.
>I was raised in the west but the Sailor Moon stereotype of the pretty, ditzy girl was extremely similar to how my friends and I were treated by our parents.
>No one valued our successes and encouraged us academically, they just put down our looks and weight.
>A lot of my friends are now obese, I had an eating disorder and am now healthy.
no u
(2/3)

(3/3)
Actually, >>10276410, I'll give you
>Nobody is raised in a vacuum
>they still pick up this socialisation from their peers and society at large
The kids I knew who did have strict, old fashioned, religious parents were still exposed to modern culture at school and still ended up the same as the rest of us. It's impossible to not see "strong women" everywhere, and I'm not saying that's a bad thing (quite the opposite, actually), I'm just saying you're extremely disconnected from reality if you think otherwise.
>The concept of sex-specific socialisation is fundamental feminist theory so if you’re genuinely interested I suggest you look into older feminist literature
I don't give a shit about feminist theory because it's not relevant to real life. Yeah, boys and girls are raised differently, but not in the ways >>10276206 describes.
>>10276403
Guess we can be invalid girls together, because that anon is nuts.

Sage for OT ranting. All gender/feminist theory shit is OT because this is /cgl/, not tumblr or reddit or wherever you fucks came from. I hate trannies as much as any of you, but this idea of universal girlhood that
>all biological girls and afab intersex people have in common
is just... inaccurate and retarded as fuck.

>>10276053
If you don't have another activity planned afterwards like a museum, then just order the full meal. It could be a budget or diet thing for other girls but it won't kill them of the restaurant is the main event. If it's after an activity then some can just leave earlier. But if you guys have something planned afterwards then it could be a drag. Still not too bad though because the people who are done sooner would just go take coord shots and socialize.

>>10275956
this

>>10276549
Nayrt but if the four course is a tasting menu or similar, they usually want everyone at the table to order the same menu

Why is FluffyKawaiiJo encouraging this disgusting sissy in her YouTube comments

>>10276638
Oh then in that case the host should have made everyone pay the ticket price for the tasting menu ahead of time. Otherwise I don't think you're entitled to making everyone order that. You can always go back to the restaurant another time or host a meet where everyone prepays for the set menu.

>>10276640
Same reason Tyler and Lor bow down to these shit people. Because they will get hate brigades launched at them within seconds.

Just another way for shitty men to bring down women.

>>10276648
Give men an inch, and they'll take a mile

>>10275097
>some countries still use x-racist term and consider it proper, because it's their right to define what another culture finds offensive/dehumanizing
>OriEntAl iS tHe PrOpEr TeRm iN sOmE CoUnTries
your country is just racist

>>10276657
Sure they're from burgerland

>>10276662
do you know how to string together a full sentence Anon? Thafugg??

>>10276663
open your slit eyes and you'll be able to read it

>>10276665
so you're racist and retarded. good shit.

>>10276663
Retard

>>10276676
thafugg?? i dont speak chink

>>10276648
But I thought Tyler hates sissies with a passion? The one I'm talking about is such an obvious sissy, I highly regret looking at the channel.

>>10276808
Yes she does

>>10276808
She does. She's made videos complaining about them in length. But from what ive gathered she doesn't mind legitimate brolitas, which i think is fair.

>>10276808
It just occurred to me that >>10276648
is prob referring to when Tyler was willing to take picture with a sissy-looking fan at a con. I know, principles and all, but it's easier to just do it than risk looking like an asshole.

>>10275840
[pixielocks intensifies]

>>10277186

If she doesn't mind legit brolitas she's probably just giving him the benefit of the doubt. Could be a starter dude who hasn't got his look figured out yet, it's much harder to tell when you can't look up their profile on the spot.

>>10277477
Said dude has a fetish for being dressed and treated like an inanimate doll according to his fetlife profile, despite bawwing about being trans. But I agree that Tyler was just being polite. I think it's asking too much of her to call out sissies in person at an event unless the individual in question is doing something actually awful at the time.

>>10277186
I guess it's pretty hard to search someone's social media right there in the spot, and it could be quite awkward to decline photos if you aren't 100% sure

>>10277483

No, this >>10277488

What's asking too much is expecting that she's got all the sissies' profile memorised and can recognise them on sight. She probably has no idea who the dude is.

>>10276648
Getting sick of the inclusivity bullshit..... Just a way to erase women and to cater to men bulldozing women's spaces

>>10277492
>>10277604
He bullied his way into his local comm because he claimed that they were being anti-lgbtq+ for not letting him in. They didn't let him in initially because he looked like a sissy. After he was let in, they found out he was indeed a sissy and was promptly banned

>>10273588
Offense =! Fact

>>10277186
here's the pic..disturbing Tyler faking it

>>10277670
I thought we were talking about this

>>10277661
So in the end he was easily banned and them trying to be inclusive actually didn't harm anyone

>>10277670
I wonder if he was aware of Tyler’s anti-sissy stance and if this photo was some kind of power move on his part.

>>10277674
He shouldn’t have been allowed in in the first place.

>>10277680
A power move? Sissy's love hate, it turns them on. You are literally turning them on right now by talking about them here.

>>10277680
Yeah, but this guy's not a sissy, just a brolita. I know him. He's just socially awkward and probably on the spectrum, but otherwise chill and enjoys the fashion for the same reasons as most everyone else. I know there's not any perverse kinks there with this this guy, and he is a fan of Tyler.

Purple dress, IDK.

How do you tell if people have blocked you on FB groups?

>>10269872
I have a friend who is gay, and he is not misogynistic at all, he is very active in feminism-themed communities and treats women with respect, he's just not attracted to them romantically or sexually. He's a great guy. Not sure about other gay guys, though, I only know one.

>>10272918
She's still posting but now she cuts her face out and calls her coords "vintage style" otome.
Bitch it's just vintage style, nothing otome about that shit.

>>10277746
you can't reply to their comments, but im not sure

>>10277746
They disappear and you never see their posts, and they don’t ever see yours. Unless you’re a mod, then their posts and comments appear lighter colored almost transparent looking.

>>10270034
There's homeless people EVERYWHERE in SF so just be prepared for that. Some of them are pretty scary.

>>10277672
Gross

Is it worth it to make a Facebook to join your local comms group? I missed my opportunity to purchase tickets to the tea party and I’m a bit bummed. I hate the idea of giving any sort of information to the zuck, but I suppose a throwaway lolita account should be fine?

>>10278095
A lot of people have throwaway accounts, but be aware that mods will be suspicious of brand new accounts without any information for security reasons. I know it sucks if you're not interested in social media at all, but if you even have an Instagram or twitter to link to the mods to prove you're a lolita and not a creep that might be a good idea.

>>10277702
This. Tyler is such an idiot for doing this too. What a fake.

>>10278326
Tbh I don't think Tyler had any choice there but to bear with it, even without the whole potential sjw shitstorm. Rejecting that sissy could've turned them on. It's a predicament really and I feel bad for her.

>>10268860
What the fuuuuuuuuck why are none of these queens even remotely fuckable? They all look like that lady that got plastic surgery to look like a lion

>>10269765
I'm gonna get a fuck ton of hate for this but I think the sissy shit is hot. I think that all men should be taught to be sexually submissive to make them less violent and rapey. Women that like dominant men are cucks desu, every man will be a sub for the right woman and that's their natural state of being anyways. They need to know what they are and we cunts can make them self aware.

Someone please explain to me how drag is anything other than female blackface. It's men dressing up as exaggerated versions of women, mimicing out mannerisms and acting stereotypical. Wtf do progressive types love it so much?

>>10278347
I hate it for the reasons you stated. But any time I say that publicly, a bunch of straight white women rush in to tell me how bad I am.

>>10278347
It’s funny how SJW’s will scream about misogyny but then have no problem with drag, a practice imbedded deeply with hatred toward women. Like you said it’s basically gender blackface, but no one is allowed to call it out because of its ties to the lgbt community, effectively making it immune from criticism.

>>10278347
>>10278358
Drag has a long history in the queer community and a lot of trans women/NB people use drag as an inbetween or as a way to experiment with their gender expression. I'm not a huge fan of it either but it's definitely different than blackface in both context and history.

>>10274462
I want folk lolita to be a thing so badly, I love it too

>>10278439
They need to find another way to "experiment" then. Just because it has history doesn't mean it's right.

>>10278347
It’s niche (or at least it used to be) and more camp than caricature. Besides, the really femme gays/trans who started it haven’t exactly had it easy, even if they are men.
I do wish it were less inescapably popular though.

>>10278439
It’s one thing to experiment with “gender expression”, and another entirely to perform as caricaturized sexual stereotypes of women, and use terms such as “fishy”, which is extremely degrading.

Drag is disgusting and its long history should be a red flag, not something that lends it any credibility. Plenty of things have a deep rooted history and are also bad.

Fuck off with your radfem screeching and talk about your local comms.
I'm really looking forward to my comm's Halloween meet

>>10278342
Low quality bait

I wish my comm would do a bring and buy event

>>10279036
You could try to organise one yourself...

>>10277718
Bruh, the dude in the purple dress has been confirmed to be a sissy

>>10278519
I wish my comm would have a good halloween meet. They're all moms though so it's just meets where they can bring their kids for once without people complaining.

>inb4 make one yourself
no one will go because no one likes the "edgy" side of halloween. They all just want to eat candy and pumpkin flavored bubble tea.

>>10280506
Can you elaborate on "edgy" Halloween????????

>>10280513
I just mean what cgl finds to be edgy. Like menhera related stuf.

>>10280506
Wow, why would you want to bring your child to a lolita meet? The whole point of meets for me is that it's me time, not small child time. I have much more practical clothing to run around the park in, which is what they actually enjoy....

>>10280506
Visit a different comm for Halloween

>>10277670
The person in the photo is not a sissy, he is on the autism spectrum. Several of us in the comm have been helping him improve his coords and with posing. If he wasn't truly interested in the fashion, he wouldn't be making strides to improve.

>>10278347
>>10278358
i understand your hate for drag but please look at the history of it and why it began. it's creation was not rooted in misogyny and OG drag queens weren't out to hurt women. they were gay men and trans women preforming within their community (they didnt even want cishets to know about them). modern drag queens are mostly ugly shit heads but please look at some history before saying shit like this,

>>10278519
Fucking thank you. Cgl has been such a hive of this bullshit recently, it's starting to feel like a female /pol/. I'm actually checking this board less because of it, I don't even care about trans politics so reading this constantly just pisses me off.

About my comm, there's been some minor grumbling around multiple Christmas events and badly-timed Halloween events but things are mostly calm. Feels good man

>>10275912
Or maybe she's in an open relationship.

>>10276053
Order yer damn food and eat it while your comm watches you with hungry, jealous eyes.
Even better if you can convince a friend or two to get the full meal too. Once two or three people are eating more, chances are other comm members will join in too.

>>10276054
More like /pol/. I'm starting to wonder if we're being raided, this is getting ridiculous. Oh well, maybe it's time to report lgbt/radfem posts and loudly talk about our comms.

>>10280592
Yeah, a sissy.

in my local com theres this girl that consistently makes people uncomfortable at meets. She does public DDLG but claims muh mental illness when called out for it (she fakes a laundry list of disorders that have all been proven false) or blames it on people around her (said her gf forced her into it) and she "humble brags" about owning things, extensive medical procedures, working for japanese bands to the point of everyone seeing through her lies (shes a compulsive liar) we keep her around for the drama bc while shes a freak we enjoy the show sometimes- last meet she complained about all the admins/mods being bitches and targetting her but didnt realise who she was talking to was one of the mods best friends. any other coms have someone like that? I'd love to hear stories.

>the absolute state of egl livejournal

>>10281453
rip

>>10280694
Boy oh boy. I have beef with this one girl in my comm, she constantly brags about her expensive coords and they're not even burando. They're all taobao. It's not that she doesn't own brand either, she's thin and had the AP fruits parlour set as it was the first set she saw at our swap meet, and a Baby dress. She always buys sets with the exception of this one souffle song dress and can't coord them for shit otherwise and she looks like a fucking toad

She also always brings her bf and he makes everyone uncomfortable. He never looks well groomed, he just skulks around and never interacts with the comm, and one time they got into a screaming match at the meet. He's very unwanted there.

>>10281547
god i really sick of people bringing their non lolita or even jfashion partners to meets. they always bring down the mood and make things awkward from experience - i understand anxiety if you dont have friends in the com but dont bring your greasy incel bf of all people.

>>10277670
Yeah, he's fine, just has a bad rep because he's awkward and doesn't trim his bangs. He's improving, both his coords and socializing. Not a sissy.

>>10281645
>grown ass man with stubble dressing up as a frilly, lacey girl
>not a mentally ill degenerate publicly displaying their crossdressing fetish
Yeah ok.

>>10281648
>with stubble
When I shave in the morning, I always have a stubble by the end of the day. Some people's hair grows faster. Nobody is going to carry around razors in their bag and shave in the middle of the day.

>>10281617
>incel bf
>incel
>bf

>>10281695

Thank you anon I'm glad someone pointed out how oxymoronic that phrase is

>>10281691
Plus plenty of biological women have staches thanks to PCOS (I think that's the one?)

>>10281711
People probably have a general distaste for men in lolita because they're wary of the potential they are fetishists and all. The paranoia is understandable. If this guy is legit that's fine but I think many of us will always be suspicious of poorly executed brolita because it reminds us of gross sissies trying to dominate comms with their kink.

>>10281645
Stop, he had a fetlife account with him dressed as a sissy

>>10281899
Prove it.

>>10281947
You prove he is a sissy.

>>10284291
You prove he's a sissy, you're the accuser.