/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Mine requires 2 parts, first a video, then pic related. Lor is a troll and I'm very sick of it. She posted this video https://youtu.be/Bfd2axHroNU
Yet she wears the most shitty costume wigs plus posts this and similar photos and actually made the hash tag ’clownlita’. What the actual fuck? It's cringe. Yet my opinion is unpopular because people still stan her as a good lolita. I don't hate her or her costumes. But it's not fair to pretend to represent the fashion well, then pull this costume shit referencing the fashion when you know so many of us wish the costume aspect would be less, not more. It's fake and hypocritical. I think she is a bad lolita and a poor example.

>>10227266
2/2

Fatties are fine and not hurting anyone but themselves just let them be. I’m just tired of threads getting derailed by fatty reeing.

>>10227266
2/2 dropped pic

>>10227270
I agree. I give a strike against a coord for fat but going off on a rant or response about it in any thread outside of /fit/ is off topic. Report threads that do it.

>>10227271
If people can dress up as pirates or sailors in lolita, then clows should be ok too

>>10227273
*clowns

Agreed. It’s so annoying how everythread gets derailed by SCREEE a person who isn’t an A CUP. Like yeah a lot of fat Lolita’s look bad but stop pretending you’re a doctor and giving everyone a diagnosis in the comments.

Another unpopular opinion but I’m tired of people acting like dresses belong to them. It also hurts my soul seeing people stain and misuse brand. Don’t get me wrong. At the end of the day though it doesn’t belong to you. It’s not your property.

>>10227273
It's mostly her hypocrisy and clearly baiting method that bothers me. I know I'm not the only one but far too many people eat her bait. She's not really so much of a ”lovely” person. More and more her Lovely Lor persona seems like it's more of a mocking ironic character these days.

Lolita comms are for people who don't have friends

Most Lolitas are creative hacks
>Totally pan an idea up until they see it pulled off well and then flip opinion of the idea on the spot.
>Ignore bottom-up trends until they hit critical mass, then jump in like they always supported it.
>ugly girl tries something weird, it gets panned. Pretty girl copies ugly girl; everyone forgets the first time this was attempted and the pretty Lolita is credited.

>>10227293
Don't call yourself ugly anon, everyone is beautiful in their own way

>>10227285
This made me smile and I agree. Much more fun to be the lolita among my regular friends of all kinds than to try and find common ground with a bunch of mostly awkward frilly people. I like larger lolita events but not comm meets. I used to feel guilty and try with my local comm but I wear lolita a lot more and they only dress up for meets and cons. I did not find much in common with them honestly.

>>10227293
>>10225084

>>10227285
I agree. I’d much rather dress up in peace than walking around with a group of varing quality. Not to mention some people in comms just aren’t mature and don’t understand that talking loudly and screaming in a tea house is uncouth.

>>10227296
Thank you, anon.
I'm not even trying to imply the first girl did it well, I'm just saying we tend not to acknowledge the history of an weird idea or the evolution of it. If the pretty girl does it better, then good for her, but the first girl should get a tiny bit of a nod for getting the ball rolling.

>>10227293
Is the Sour Grapes thread still up? This fits.

Screamo music is very lolita.

>>10227298
There are lolitas in the local comm who wear it regularly, but I don't feel motivated to become their friend. I already have a social life and there's only 1 weekend in the week. But I'm a ghost member because it's the best place I can find out about local brand tea-party's.

Meetup lolitas are on the same level as conlitas. They’re dressing up for an event, that’s it.

>>10227277
>doesn't belong to them
Chill, Karly dearest.

>>10227305
Th hard truth is that it probably did not look that great on the ugly girl overall. But ugly girls aren't lauded as much as pretty ones for anything to do with looks I aesthetics, why is this news?

People tell ugly girls that their clever creativeness and many other talents can be as ’good or better than being pretty’ and in life itself there is truth to it but in the superficial realm of fashion and aesthetics, unless you are actually designing or making things yourself, it's always about who wears it BEST. Not first.

>>10227309
Provide playlist, pls.

>>10227285
My normie friends are all poor fags so I going to comms for events

>>10227309
Who r u and can I be your friend. I don't know any lolitas who actively also like screamo

>>10227313
Idk who Carly is. I’m just saying maybe we are better off if we don’t act like every ap dress in existence is our personal property.

Tired of people acting like they're entitled to a dress just because it was their dream dress. Other people are allowed to have wishlist items that they buy, and can do whatever they want with their money. As long as someone's not actively buying stuff to make someone mad, there's 0 issue with it and it's retarded to think you are entitled to every dress you like.

A lot of hot weather coords look better without or with minimal legwear, especially if it's a more mature look. If lolita isn't a costume to you wouldn't you want what you're wearing to be weather appropriate? You know... like you do with clothes? I kind of respect the commitment but wearing full coverage tights in 30 C just looks uncomfortable and daft.

>>10227285
>
Honestly, I am tempted to go to comm meets.

I'm the type of person who wears lolita whenever I feel like it, even if it's to pick up some milk, so of course I wear it when I hang out with my friends if the situation or activity allows for it (sorry Action Lolita, but I'm not wearing lolita when I go hiking).

But when I finally did go to my first comm meet, one of the girls kept bringing up polygamy and how she started a relationship like this. Like dude why do you think bringing this up to strangers is okay?

I felt like a prude and I know people feel more comfortable talking about such things now, but I just don't think it's something to bring up with strangers.

>>10227285
That depends 100% on your comm. I managed to make good friends with some people in mine so now we tend to hang out privately without needing to involve the whole comm every time

>>10227332
It's gross to wear shoes without socks or tights

>>10227335
Tights and most socks look awful with summer shoes

>>10227332
agreed, slutty lolita latinas a best

>>10227337
Most lolita summer shoes look fine with it. You’re thinking of normie shoes. Are you even a lolita?

>>10227333
>Like dude why do you think bringing this up to strangers is okay?
for some reason those degenerates feel the need to convert everyone they come in contact with, like it's some sort of cult

>>10227337
Have fun washing the sweat out of your shoes. I have a parasol so it's not a big deal to wear socks.

>>10227340
Did you even read the post? I'm not saying summer shoes look inherently bad with legwear. But in context seeing someone wear printed tights in summer esp. with something like a short sleeved op looks odd. Same principle if you were wearing say, a long sleeved blouse that matches your coord but is evidently not weather appropriate.

>>10227344
You said most, when that’s not true with lolita. Congrats on being a deflecting retard. It’s not like OTKs, UTKs, or ankle socks exist.

>>10227347
Glad I managed to post a genuinely unpopular opinion

>>10227349
It’s not that it’s unpopular, it’s that it’s completely retarded.

>>10227323
Gurl, how can you not?????
iCarly5ever

>>10227361
You made my day anon

>>10227332
Women wore full stockings for a very long-time year round before the 1960’s. It's fine to say that you don't like domething, the problem comes when you make your opinions into pronouncements of what's good and bad, better or wore for more than just yourself. I'm always cold, I wear lightweight long sleeved blouses year round and I hate the feeling of bare legs. I'm not a sweaty person so it's not a thing. So yes your post looks a little dumb to me because my experience is different.

Twinning is only twinning if you're wearing the same coord. Not just the same dress.

>>10227273
Ok but pirate Lolita is cringe too

>>10227285
I don't know why this hurt me, until i remembered that I literally have no friends due to social problems. Then again, I haven't been to a meet or a event yet because of said social problems.

>>10227406
>lonely socially handicapped lolita
this make me really sad, I wanna pat your head, good luck, I hope you overcome your social problems

>>10227285
I'm sorry you don't have cool lolita friends who are also in your comm anon

Btw I want a sexy semi pr0n lolita thread. I bet that's a thing.

>>10227406
I’m with you on this one, anon. We’ll make it!

>>10227367
Frances?

>>10227413
baito dai yo

>>10227367
Agreed. For most of history people have worn socks ususally up to their thighs. Socks actually make you way less sweaty. If you wear anything except Sandals and flip-flops without socks? Ya nasty.

So idk what this counts as but. I was super into lolita when I was really little, and wigs especially pastel wigs, seemed like they were an absolutely requiered item. (2009-2012 ish)
Now it seems like pastel wigs even if they are good quality are cringe, and cat ears are accepted. I feel like I fell into another diamention. I kind of miss seeing coords with wigs and fun colors. I wear my natural hair too sometimes but. A lot of people’s natural hair is very flat and unstyled, doesn’t match coord, ect. I mean good for people for wearing what makes them comfortable but I’m not sure I /always/ like it. I miss well styled wigs a little.

>>10227340
Can you clarify what you mean by summer shoes?? I've literally never heard this term used. Do you mean sandals or what?

>>10227432
Whoops this was meant for >>10227337

>>10227417
Lol, no, ew! I think Frances probably without a doubt is a sweaty person, even his posts were slightly moist. Sorry to disappoint though.

>>10227381
Agree. It's just dumb otherwise because lots of us have and can wear the same dress as someone.

>>10227303
Hard agree, I’m mortified to be in public with some of the lolitas in my comm, not because of what they’re wearing but because of their behavior. Yelling in a quiet place, no table manners at all, running around like they own the place in a public place with other customers, and loudly bitching about prices in an elegant place. What’s the point of dressing like a lady and then acting like that?

>>10227399
Yes. Yes it is.

>>10227270
>I’m just tired of threads getting derailed by fatty reeing.

I feel like this is the popular opinion and the fat circlejerk is just the same 3 or 4 loud outliers over and over and over.

>>10227428
>pastel wigs even if they are good quality are cringe
Unfortunately a lot of people think so, yes.
>cat ears are accepted
Only if brand, and even then it's still hit or miss.

Maybe not an unpopular opinion on /cgl/, but men shouldn't be allowed in lolita communities and we should have the right to enforce a women only rule. I think more communities should use the excuse "We have underage members" to keep out unwanted men.

i'm a nostalgiafag but i think peeking bloomers looks terrible literally always and i cringe when people suggest it to people looking for ideas/concrit

>>10227437
this is a consistent issue in subculture communities

>>10227450
>needing to make up bullshit excuses to keep men out
just be upfront about it, we don't want no men, period

>>10227450
I think the only way to do it is to have a general info comm for the area, then a private comm with only the already well dressed lolitas and no men, invitation only. Seems like a bother though, it would be better to move away from these ’attract everybody, get more members ’ open comms. But then I don't care if I'm mostly a lone lolita. I do have a comm and even most of the women in it are tacky and badly dressed.

I already stonewall any male lolita at larger events. I don't usually even speak to them. I've met a few really entitled Hons too. I just give them resting bitch face and I'm not social with them at all. Too much awkward silence makes them not talk to me twice, and problem solved.

>>10227335
>>10227367
>>10227420

Nayrt, but even though people in the 50s wore tights it was mostly a "sockless look". There's also those invisible slip-on heel socks to protect shoes these days.

>>10227450
Absolutely. There's a rule protecting trannys in the comm nearest me and its why I don't go there.

>>10227450
I think more comms need to be very closed off and require photos of the person in question in a lolita coord. Trannies, sissies, and men will be filtered and rejected, with just a simple "Your membership was denied" as a reply.

>>10227481
True. And no ddlg bullshit either. When someone shows up with a kinky collar on to a comm meeting I always cringe so hard.

>>10227450
Boyfriends need to be treated like service animals. If there's not a medical reason for him coming, he shouldn't be there.

>>10227309
I feel like screamo is more decora but hard agree that alt music in general is peak Lolita.

>>10227285
Yes. Having Lolita friends to be salty with together is a comfy feel though.

Unpopular opinion I feel like white items look cheaper than ivory/ecru items. I can't quite put my finger on why and if anyone else feels this feel an explanation would be appreciated.

>>10227487
I've tried to figure that out too. I think it's because a lot of white cotton is used cheaply, like in t-shirts and thin taobao prints. Whenever ivory or ecru is used, it's usually with purpose and a stylized choice in fashion. Also, vintage clothing uses ivory more and they're just oftentimes more quality.

>>10227481
based homophobic lolitas, but w8, what if the tranny pass a 100%? second filter huh? you're alright grills
sadly you can't be 100% upfront about tranny refusal nowdays and expect no backslash, godspeed my low key nazi sisters

>>10227485
>Boyfriends need to be treated like service animals
I see this in my comm though and I'd rather it be reversed.
There are quite a few couples that show up to meets and the girl basically has a dog on her arm at her beck n call - for example, getting their tea for them, getting their plate for them, walking them to the bathroom, etc. Just any menial task she could be doing on her own and instead her man servant is doing it for her.

>>10227485
>Boyfriends need to be treated like service animals.
bonner pls no

>>10227518
it's getting hot in here

Most gothic coords literally all look so similar that I can’t tell who’s regularly posting anymore. All the same silhouette (long lampshade with a black underskirt) and all black with fluevog-style shoes, somehow incorporate a cross or a coffin into the coord, and voila you have a gothic coord. Kudos to the lolitas who don’t fill this mold. They’re rare but amazing.

The coords that get the most likes on CoF aren’t necessarily the better ones but the ones with better photography, lighting and posing skills. I’ve seen so many amazing coords get 100 likes max and never talked about on cgl because of bad lighting or because they didn’t have someone to take a picture for them.

>>10227517
What board did you come from?

>>10227522
Posting where? I follow a ton of gothic lolitas on ig but I rarely see what you just described.

>>10227527
I tend to casually scroll through CoF or occasionally seeing what Instagram suggests to me on the lolita tag.

>>10227526
isn't it self evident? but originally I was a 2009-2010 /b/tard, tits or gtfo

>>10227526
I see it is confusing, /pol/ not /lgbt/ lel, after lurking for 1 day and a half I'm starting to enjoy this board, I'm needy for female attention

>>10227536
Kys incel cuck

>>10227536
>>>/out/

>>10227536
There are no girls on the internet, anon.

>>10227534
>tits or gtfo
Nigguh, this ain't /b/

The correct vernacular is
"coord or gtfo"

>>10227332
I also think sheer tights with a design work well! a lot less stuff than most hosiery but still gives the coord some polish; I cannot stand ankle socks though.even more when people pair them with heels or sandals, it looks super tacky to me

>>10227540
>There are no girls on the internet
That meme died with the advent of the smartphone.

Get with the times, grandpa.
This ain't 2006.

>>10227522
I find that gothic lolita is stagnant and has been for a while. I think what gothic lolita needs is more print variety and use of other motifs. There's more than skulls, bats, and crosses, but no one ever seems to act like there is.

>>10227381
omg yes this, fucking tired of the "oh we're wearing same dress so we are twins!" like fuck off, there's nothing special about that. plus in a comm where people have similar tastes, its bound to happen. but wearing just the same dress is as low effort as you can go

>>10227540
I know, but I've seen a few, in depth
>>10227541
just learned something new today :3
>>10227538
2 much truth in that insult, except I no longer have a gf so can't be cucked, but this new e-gf... and btw I've been thinking about it lately, neck on the railroad is my choice for now, just saving it for a special occasion

>>10227547
btw, what u grills mean when you say coord, how is it not equivalent to dress, is it the socks shoes and lace?

>>10227548
>just learned something new today :3
I'm glad you didn't get all butthurt about it.

Now, show us your man tits.

>>10227381
No.
Twinning is when you whip out your dick, and your friend whips out HIS dick,
and you both stand next to each other, side-by-side, with your dicks erect.

also called "Twin Dicks",
or "Twin Dicking".

>>10227545
that's actually not as unpopular an opinion as you think, Anon.

Most "Lolita" threads here make me cringe for that very reason. They'e more like "LOL, Ita".

>>10227550
Coord is the full look, so shoes, socks, the dress piece and how it all works together.

>>10227554
and your dicks have to be the SAME SIZE.

>>10227332
I wear tights every day. Usually black ones for work or normie outfits. Having bear legs make me feel naked and regular tights aren't that heavy. They don't even keep me warm in the winter unless they are the thick kind.

>>10227569
I'll keep you warm, baby ;D

>>10227551
I have non, I have a slight belly due to my psychiatrick medication, schizophrenia, I'm stable, don't worry, I used to have a glorious 6 pack and made 2 girls fall for me once as I took off my tshirt as I was about to enter the changing room

btw you sound fun ;3

>>10227558
I'm glad I was able to deduce it, thanks for confirming mah grill

>>10227285
Me, lmao. I don't mind though. I'm friends with people in my comm outside of frills. Making friends after college/one's early 20s can be difficult.

>>10227561
Damn. What happens if they're not the same size?

Getting tired of the same shills on IG doing their story circlejerk sessions to try to get more interaction. I rarely get new names out of these anymore, it's literally the same people going over, and over, and over again to try to get new followers. Might unfollow them so I get less clog on my feed.

>>10227607
Then, it's "Double Dicking" (or Double Dong)

>>10227472
Unrelated, but your pic reminded me of how I wish people gave more credit to the Dior New Look silhouette when describing lolita fashion. I get that it's easier to say Victorian/Rococo fashion inspired, especially when it comes to explaining it to the 100th normie interrupting a meetup because they JuSt HaVe tO KNoW, but when it comes to explaining to genuine newbies (like a panel setting), I seldom hear an explanation that Lolita is a modern and transperiodic inspired fashion.

This summer trend of tall lolitas wearing dresses that only hit their mid-thigh, with no tights or underskirt, is not okay. It looks pretty slutty.

>>10227624
> It looks pretty slutty.
oh my, pics?

>>10227609
Big feel.

>>10227525
You don't need great photography skills or equipment to take a nice photo. You can get a cheap tripod on Amazon and take pictures on your phone. Even most efamous lolitas don't use any additional equipment. If you go to the effort of putting on a beautiful coord but can't be bothered to do more than a mirror selfie, you don't deserve to get asspats on an FB group meant for sharing pictures.

>>10227517
There is nothing homophobic about not wanting disgusting men invading women's space. What are you on?

>>10227517
cringe

>>10227636
They're trolling you

>>10227450
God how I wish the comms in Commiefornia would ban scrotes but literally everyone here is a “muh intersectional feminisms” tranny dick sucker

>>10227667
It's literally the most liberal state in the whole country, why would you expect different?

>>10227517

>>10227669
I’m not expecting anything different, hence why I said wish anon. I’ve accepted being the only tranny-excluding lolita liberal in Cali

>>10227381
Yes. I love twinning but almost nobody ever wants to do it right. Either commit or look like crap.

I don't care about the 'rules' anymore. I'm 30. Just let me wear my tacky Meta without petticoats or with ankle socks in peace.

I'd rather see pinned up uncut bangs than sloppily cut ones on wigs.
And I feel like at least 50% of the wigs I see in lolita have terrible looking cut bangs.

>>10227329
Agreed. There was a girl in my comm who used to go ape shit when people would buy her dream dress and post on here about them “biting her style.”

Also hate people who comb through tags on IG and randomly ask you if you’d be willing to sell something you had never mentioned you were even considering selling “because it’s my dream dress pleeeease I’m so desperate to find it but I’m not willing to pay market value for it”

>>10227722
I’m fine with that. Just don’t post it on closet of frills and get pissed at concrit

>>10227521
What will taking our clothes off help in this situation?

>>10227722
I think as long as you aren’t tagging lolita it’s fine. Just tag the brands. But don’t pull that kind of coord in lolita tags, please, or we will have some bad comments for sure.

>>10227718
I never twinned with anyone yet but I like wearing similar variations in a theme together. Of course I don’t call it ‘twining’ but it has a similar fun feeling of harmony/symmetry over 2 coords. Latest with my friend was ‘sick girl and her nurse’, another last year was ‘angel/demon’.

Not sure if confession, unpopular opinion or both but I high key judge Lor for being such a piss baby about lolita being so uncomfortable in lolita coords and only wearing it the minimum time she can, usually only long enough to film.
10 years in the fashion and bish, you still have not sorted out how to comfortably wear lolita for longer periods than an hour outside a con?
Superior Lolita lifestyler IS actually judging you.

>>10227270
>I’m just tired of threads getting derailed by fatty reeing.

Pigs will always squeal. That's just nature. I'll back you up on this opinion. Body acceptance is just a PC way to excuse fatties from taking care of themselves. Walk a few miles and put down the chicken tendies you purchased at the con.

I shouldn't have to applaud someone who doomed their body into a size and shape their cosplay will revolve around.

Lolitas shouldn't be using Ko-fi to fund their brand purchases.

Also, no, I do not support you ripping apart a dress in order to make another dress larger. Especially if you're a man. Double especially if you're a fatty.

>>10227675
Make that two of us.

>>10227780
>cosplay
this a lolita thread, you autist

>>10227550
Fuck off

I wish my comm would make a seperate comm thats specifically lolita instead of this shared general jfashion one. I get that a lot of memebers wear more than one substyle but jfc I don’t wanna these half assed decora coords littering the feed.

I think black girls that wear ouji or classic look oppressed and makes me think of slavery....especially when the ouji is posing with a Caucasian lolita

>>10227309
Fuck yeah! I love blasting my screamo and metal music in my car while wearing a sweet coord with a bonnet. Some of the looks I get is very amusing.

>>10227332
I think it's ok to wear a jsk with no blouse, a light petti, cute sandals, and your natural hair in the summer time. It can still be lolita and you'll be cooler.

>>10227799
kek

I mostly wear oldschool and I love brand utks. I'm sick of people calling ageplay as soon as they see them

I'm tired of seeing cats on every other print. Can we through more of other animals into the mix.

>>10227799

Huh. I thought it'd be black girls dressed in maido lolita (eg- something like AP's Silky Lady last weekend).

>>10227277
>people who buy dresses don't own them reeeee
please go outside

>>10227824
I think anon was trying to say the opposite.

>>10227450
Any time someone enforces women only space I feel like there’s a huge chance those people are not really fun for other women to be around. You want to make women only space, cool, but did you ask me if I wanted to be locked up with these nuts.

>>10227627
There are non, she's likely just one of those fat midgets who love to shit on taller girls.

>>10227858
Easy, just don't join comms, then you don't need to be "locked up" with them.

Black > everything
Mono > print
Short > long sleeves
Shorter > longer dress/skirt
Ankle socks or OTKs > UTKs or thights
Real hair > wig
Blonde, brunette, black > any other (unnatural) colour
Old > new school
Less > more accessories

>>10227862
Triggered giraffe detected

>>10227869
This is the unpopular opinion thread. You just listed every current trend.

>>10227871
Shitting on tall girls seems to be the latest trend on cgl, the last couple months.
When there's no fatty, simply reee about tall girls looking "too slutty" in lolita.

>>10227858
Id rather be able to express myself freely with just the girls, than tip toe around some sissies feelings

>>10227874
Taller people have, on average, bigger brains compared to shorter people.

So, tell those short shits to suck your brain's MIGHTY COCK!

>>10227869
>thights

>>10227869
>Ankle socks or OTKs > UTKs or thights
My unpopular opinion is that I love UTKs.

>>10227882
You need a bigger brain to move your huge body, that brain capacity doesn't go to intelligence

>>10227885
I'd like to "move you" with my huge body, baby ;D

Maybe if our heads touch, our brains can communicate,
and transfer pokémon.

>>10227885
>You need a bigger brain to move your huge body
Is this why fat shorties are so dense? Not enough brain to both move their huge bodies AND think logically/not act like retarded asses?

>>10227318
Where 2 post? Last.fm?

>>10227321
I think there are much more, they all just hide somewhere.

>>10227487
True!

I wish we'd just change the name of the fashion already.
It's already bad enough having to constantly explain that there's no connection to the book or lolicon (and thus look defensive af because we CONSTANTLY have to talk about it - especially for any article, documentary, or video introducing the fashion.)
Then there's the confusion with DDLG bleeding over into our #lolita and #lolitafashion tags.
But worst off, now we're suppressed on pretty much every major social media. If it's not outright blocked, then we're repressed and hidden by the algorithm.
Using EGL or EGLcommunity is an alright work-around, but it's confusing to newbies who don't know or understand the abbreviation and will continue to search and tag "lolita," thus leading to the community being fractured in general.

Fat, black or tall girls (and of course men) shouldn't wear lolita, it just never looks good on them.

>>10227907
Shit taste, navy, purple, dusty pink and ivory main pieces look the most beautiful on dark skin.

>>10227799 >>10227820
If it makes you feel better, at one point near the end of slavery in the Americas, 40% of slave owners in New Orleans were black men.

As a black Lolita I'm getting sick of people projecting this onto me. Sorry; black people lived in the 18th and 19th and if they lived in the western world then they wore the fashions at the time. btw, everyone wore white gloves at some point if they were rich enough. Stop saying I can't wear white gloves.

>>10227895
who r u constantly having to explain it to bc this literally never happens to me
where are u located

>>10227895
All of these ‘problems’ can be solved in a very simple manner by giving less fucks. It began as a lacy rebellion, it is a subversive ‘fuck you’ fashion and we don’t have to explain anything to anyone. Or sort out anyone’s confusion. Or be spokespersons, representatives, etc. Or even say the name of the fashion. Stop frill-splaining and fucking oversharing and you’ll be fine. That’s actually part of the problem.
‘What are you wearing?’
‘Japanese fashion.’
Full stop.
If you even decide to answer.

>>10227916
I hope you keep wearing them. I love them in a pretty coord.

>>10227892
Last.fm or anywhere is good, yep.

>>10227611
Same anon that posted the picture and I agree! I use 50s style as inspiration a lot and have made a few coords out of it, although I don't share it in lolita spaces. My unpopular opinion is that sleeveless and skin-tone tights in a 50s style is a lovely way to focus on a solid/patterned a-line dresses if combined with well styled hair and appropriate jewelry. Especially with hat and gloves. I would like to see it explored more in an actual lolita way.

>>10227796
Our area split into 2 comms when one person flounced because she wanted to wear general j-fashion to lolita meets and someone asked about ‘her cosplay’, kek. But actually it worked out well because we keep to Lolita, Aristo and Ouji in the good group and that j-fashion comm serves as the containment comm because the bar for entry is so low and the leader is always trying to ‘grow the comm’.

>>10227789
Lolitas should only be asking for donations if they do or maintain a project of benefit to a decently big segment of the community. And then, I think they should cap it at covering their out of pocket expenses for the project. These diy’ers ans youtubers etc should incorporate and figure out how to make a sustainable small business from their project. If they want to buy their burando and take a tax deduction then cool, but dont expect to ride on someone else’s dime for your hobby, pay for it yourself.

Also people like Lor and Tyler as con guests makes me cringe. Invite and spotlight a couple of lolita Indy guest designers instead.

My unpopular opinion is that many sweet lolitas do age out of the super sweet. Meaning the really babyish toy prints styled in a very girly way and using the acrylic brand jewelry, pastel wigs and tea parties, lace-trimmed ankle socks, very frilly pastel bonnets etc. I’m not saying they can’t keep doing it because ofc everyone can wear what they like...but when their face ages, it’s kind of an uncanny look. That said, I really love sweet coords done in a more mature style and rather than leaving lolita, I wish sweets would just grow up their coords a little bit to show more elegance and maturity.

>>10227895
Also, according to my research, when the fashion started over in Japan, they specifically did choose the name "Lolita" because of what it meant. Not a direct 1:1 with the book, just the meaning of the word itself, but it wasn't a coincidence that they choose it, especially since some older magazines did look on how to get the "American Lolita" look.

They chose the name for a reason, and we should stop acting like it's just an unfortunate coincidence considering that wearing lolita during those time was considered a childish thing to do for a woman, kinda adjacent to the kawaii movement.

>Men should be kept out of lolita

I wouldn't have an issue with this under most circumstances but half of y'all would blow your shit if someone came up with any type of "men's only" space. The reason you have this issue is because women way back when wanted to be everywhere the guys were and even now women blow their shit at the thought of anything "male only" even if it's a shelter or abuse center

>Using underage members as an excuse

Just say you hate men and want them kept out and move on. If guys talked about women the same way gulls do those same gulls would lose their shit.

>>10227437
Reading stuff like this makes me grateful that my comm is mostly well-behaved adults.

Fatty chans have no place in lolita. They're greedy and they're ruining the planet. All they fucking do is bitch about how the can't fit into brand when every fucking brand dress I've gotted was too loose on me. Like, how fucking fat are you? How fucking fat are you where something that fucking huge is too tight? Just lose weight. I refuse to buy from fatlitas, even accessories. It's been rubbing agaisnt they're bodies and probably soaked up their fat people essence. Children are starving while you're being fat and buying brand and weed.

>>10227970
10000% agreed.

>>10227965
Are we living on the same planet? Men pull all kinds of stupid fucking gatekeeping shit to keep women out of things. Do you see women doing the same shit? Males walts into beauty and fashion and get rich, women get shit if we try anything in male communities.

>>10227962
Misako even lists the movie ‘Lolita’ complete with photo, in the reference section of her book. People getting butthurt over the reference need to lighten up. Humbert was an abusive pedophile, yep! But Lolita the character, was precocious in the book. Many girls are. That’s part of the point and the brilliant icky-ness of the book, making us really feel uncomfortable about the whole thing. And about perception, appropriateness, reliability of POV.

>>10227965
If you want to form your own migtoe sissy comm then go right ahead
>If guys talked about women the same way gulls do those same gulls would lose their shit
Men hate women already, so why is it such an issue for us to hate men as well? I’ll keep hating men until the day I die so it doesn’t bother me much if you scrotes chimp out over it

>>10227976
Humpert is an unreliable narrator to top it off, we only hear his side of the story and he paints lolita as promiscuous. Her voice is silenced. That's the point.

>>10227967
You are in the minority of comms then because most aren’t like this. They really should be. But they aren’t.

My unpopular opinion is that we SHOULD gatekeep the comms and only let people in who have a photo of themselves in a complete coord. You aren’t ready to come to your first lolita meet until you complete your first coord. Comms are for people who wear the fashion already. First the coord, then the comm.

>>10227965
The way men talk about women is WAY fucking worse than the way any gull talks about them. Go to /r9k/ or any PUA site. Fuck them, they're scum and I laugh at their suicide rates.

>>10227970
>every fucking brand dress I've gotted
kek

>>10227979
Right, we all know this. But one of the reasons it was a controversy and eventually notorious though is because young girls do act like that sometimes, to a greater or lesser extent, so it’s somewhat believable on some levels and we are left not knowing what was Humbert perversion plus imagination and what was Lo’s precocity bring horribly taken advantage of. That’s where the yuk factor comes in. No one should take advantage of a minor but to say no young girls are precocious is to never have been one.

>>10227985
Yeah I'd say it's part of the message that young girls being precocious doesn't diminish the responsibility of an adult taking advantage of them.

>>10227824
They're saying the opposite, if someone bought a $400 dress and ruins it with modifications, yeah it's sad but it's their property and they can do what they want.

>>10227277
Everyone who isn't an a cup is a slut desu

>>10227895
I changed the name of the fashion years ago. In my life, at least. There's a whole list of alternative names by now that people already use. I can't decide on which one I like most, so if a normie asks what I'm wearing I give them a different "name" of the style depending on what my coord looks like. If they're genuinely interested in getting into it I just give them the webshop of the brand I'm wearing. I don't use the lolita tags on social media either, just brand tags.

>>10227607
It's gay

>>10227962
Your research sucks, sorry. Lolita was first used for a collection of MILK clothing and magazines started using it more after that. The people wearing the fashion didn't choose it.

>>10227976
Misako would say MILK was the first lolita brand.

People who want to talk about literature should go here >>>/lit/

Menhera is for tweens and teens and looks cringe on adults. Lolita is a hobby for adults, but looks cute on kids sometimes.

>>10228018
I think sweet lolita looks the cutest on kids. Gothic and classic are well-suited for adults, though.

>>10228018
It's literally a mentally ill womanchild fashion, people who wear it look exactly how they should. I appreciate that menhera-chans label themselves so I know what to expect.

>>10227780
Way to not read, well anything but the word 'fatty' really...

>>10228012
People who are so narrowly focused that they can’t grasp the implications of influences and origins should go here >>>/hell/

I will be glad when both Dollbe and Haenuli fuck off with their ending sales. But I bet Haenuli will be back.

My unpopular opinion is that Lolita should be renamed into something more wholesome like Frilly Fashion or such.

I don't know if you gulls watch the news, but pedos also love the term, Lolita. The word itself has a bigger negative connotation than what the fashion/anime knows it to be. Typing it in certain sites gets you flagged as a possible pedo.

Also, it doesn't help that the world's worst pedo's plane was nicknamed the Lolita express.

>>10228030
Agreed! We desperately need a rename. I’m so sick and tired of being associated with pedos when I just like cute fashion. I think as a community we really need to make the push into calling it something else. /anything/ else.

>>10228030
Thank you dumb crossboarder, what would we do without your extremely valuable knowledge.

Hint: We are more than aware about that and have constantly been trying to find ways around it for almost two decades. Lurk more or go back.

>>10228030
I searched for Lolita shoes the other day and now I have some kind of ddlg diaper outfits in my recommended items. I had to clear my history. ew.

I think we should include design replicas in our collective hatred for replicas. Sure, nobody has copyright on a simple heart bags or mary janes with ankle straps, but the more iconic shoes that the big brands have done have notable replicas.

>>10228037
>Thank you dumb crossboarder, what would we do without your extremely valuable knowledge.
>Hint: We are more than aware about that and have constantly been trying to find ways around it for almost two decades. Lurk more or go back.

When you say try, do you mean the response you typed? Because that's the only effort I've seen on all of /cgl/ to change the name from Lolita to something else. This thread is literally named "Unpopular Lolita Opinions." So much for trying to change the name as a community. LAWL!

If you can't notice that, then I'm going to assume you're a clueless Ham-Chan. Go back to your mirror and contemplate why the brands you buy are constantly tight around the waist.

>>10228054
Everytime someone on cgl brings up a name change, others who claim they want the same fight them and tell them to shut up about it. It's so dumb.

>>10227962
During your ''research'' you didn't find out that Japanese lolitas already tried to change the name and partly succeeded? And that the fashion didn't take inspiration from America but from the UK and French history?

>>10227950
I've used the reprinted version of the top right pattern to make a few dresses. The collar is so large I don't always wear a blouse with it either.

>>10227950

I've done a few this way, and while they're well received in their respective social media spaces, I'm a little salty that cgl is too reactionary to consider it as lolita. But gulls gonna gull I suppose

>>10228048
Good idea. Also call the BTSSB shoes that are replicas of Fluevog Elizabeths, as replicas. Totally serious here.

>>10227970
Well the weed part was a bit random

>>10228048
Agreed.

>>10228087
They don't have the same design. What are you on?

>>10228048
I acknowledge that I'm a hypocrite as I would never buy a replica bag, but have a lot of Taobao tea parties.

While almost all of my bags are brand, only three pairs of shoes are...

>>10228065
>>10228054
Bullshit, we had several suggestions upthread and in the past but how are you supposed to know that. What do you expect us to do? Fly to japan, bitchslap brands and tell them to re-do everytime they mentioned lolita? There are thousands if not millions of blogs, websites, pictures, tags, sources and other mentions connected to it. Making up a new term or tag now won't do anything in the community, not to mention that we wouldn't be able to make up our minds and choose one word. It already failed in the past (for anyone who remembers the Quaintrelle thing). The only thing we can do is claim something different as individuals.
Your opinion isn't unpopular, it's just impossible.

>Ham-Chan
>can't even get cgl's shitpost phrases right

>>10228111
There are not millions lmao. And we're not making up a new term, there are already several in use as others have mentioned. You know in China they call it lo girl and in Japan they changed the spelling?

>>10228113
What do lolitas taste like?

>>10228118
Salt

>>10228113
>And we're not making up a new term,
OP literally suggested that, which I was responding to.

>there are already several in use as others have mentioned.
Which is what I also said? But lolita will always dominate for the reasons I explained.

>You know in China they call it lo girl and in Japan they changed the spelling?
Lolita was barely accessible to China for a long time, it only became popular fairly recently, as in 5 years ago. And the different japanese spelling is still the same pronounciation, isn't it?

>>10227341
I have weird feelings on this because I'm poly but I never admit it to anyone. Too afraid to desu, but they're probably (poorly) seeking out anyone who feels the same. I don't think a first meeting with others is the place to do this regardless of the social setting, though.

>>10228121
lolitas, not gulls

>>10228113

>>10228019
I don't think I've ever seen a kid do gothic but now I want to

>>10227727
Right? I've gotten DMs about certain pieces like "How much?" and it's so awkward. If I were selling it, it'd be listed for sale somewhere and I wouldn't be wearing it around!

>>10227765
I don't watch her videos, but if you're uncomfortable because of something other than the temperature, you're dressing yourself wrong.

>>10227261
I think a coord can be intentionally not-perfect (because you just went out casually or to a normie occasion) and you can still post it.
Also, not wanting concrit from strangers unless you’re a newbie and need guidance is completely okay and doesn’t mean you „just can’t handle the harsh truth“.

How many of you Lolitas actually have boyfriends and/or girlfriends

>>10228129
Still stands.

>>10228136
I got an e-boyfriend

>>10228140
How long have you been together

>>10228002
>Milk was the first brand
Damn straight

>>10228104
Lol, my thought

>>10228147
3 years

>>10228138
I'm sorry your comm is so shitty

>>10228153
Good shit anon I wish you the best of luck

>>10228140
You are all my e-lolitas <3

>>10228168
>You are all my e-lolitas <3

Wonder who's behind this post.

>>10228136
I have a gf, all my rl lolita friends have partners or are married.

>>10228136
I have an internet bf.

>>10228136

I bought fifty boyfriends off of ebay and sucked all their dicks.

>>10228194

>>10228136
i have an online girlfriend, 2.5 years now

>>10228180
Wonder who's behind
this puppy.

>>10228136
I have a boyfriend (now fiance) of 7 years that recently proposed. He bought me Holy Lantern and is very supportive of my weird sense of fashion. He's amazing and I don't deserve him.

>>10228218
Does your boyfriend know who's behind that puppy?

>>10228136
Bf, met online, been together officially for 10 years.

Unpopular opinion incoming:

I think the name "lolita" is retarded, gives normies the worst impression, and I wish we could change it. I can't help but think our comms would be spared a lot of sexual harassment if it was called something else.

>>10227918
>>10227946
My main issue is with social media hiding and shadow-banning content tagged as lolita. Everything else is just the annoying icing on the cake.
I'm honestly glad to see I'm not that alone. For other gulls who have posted about it here, what names or tags do you use to avoid lolita? When normies ask what the fashion is called because they're curious and want to look into it, what do you normally tell them?

I wish I could have a girlfriend

>>10228111
NAYRT and I am not bothered by the name, but I think the Quaintrelle thing was a good thing because she was not trying to shove non-lolita things into lolita, she called it something else instead. In any case she's a burlesque dancer and latex designer now and she didn't drag lolita into that shit either so I am not mad at her way of doing things.

Why does everyone feel the need to over-explain?
It's a frilly fashion.
It's a type of street fashion.
It's a secret.
Why do you ask?
It's a Japanese fashion.
It's a history-based fashion.
It's just my style.

Any of these will do. Short, sweet and with a smile. It's not that hard, people.

>>10228251
Normies don't usually ask because they want to look into it or do it, they ask so they can just quickly put you into the correct mental category because you stick out. See >>10228257

I like kuro-sweet for a gothic style more than an actual gothic coord, I wish gothic lolita emphasized dark cuteness more than elegance.

Speaking of styles, I think the emphasis of only dressing in one style to be restrictive

>>10228251
When normies ask me, I call it lolita. No one has ever questioned or had issues with name so far.

>>10228261
Chinese and korean lolita brands are distinctly different from the aesthetic of Japanese brands and I don't like a lot of them

>>10228251
Tag the Japanese tag, tag your brands and tag EGL. I'm cleaning my tags of the word ’lolita’. Social media can do whatever it wants.
People forget that if something is ’free’ then you are usually the product. Your info, your actions, your data. ’Social media’ is not about community, it's about marketing. They will always decide what to show, what to hide on these platforms. Which sucks but there it is.

>>10228113
>>10228125
The Japanese language literally doesn't have an L sound so they have to spell it ロリタ. They didn't "change the name."

>>10228257
What was the name of that person who tried the Quaintrelle movement?

>>10228270
They changed it to ロリータ and ロリィタ.

>>10228276
Vivien Hoffpauir

>>10227485
Honestly this. I will never understand what’s with the lolita community and unnecessary roping along their obviously uninterested and unwanted boyfriends all the fucking time to everything.

Afros don’t belong in lolita. People who wear them look like they just don’t give a shit about their appearance and their coords always look half assed. Either learn to actually style your hair or suck it buttercup and buy a wig.

>>10228261
Try it and ask for some concrit. You can style sweet in black solids or black prints to be more gothic and elegant but still cute. You can add sweet things to gothic main pieces. It crosses the two styles but as long as you don't get retarded with trying to name it something weird and special, (no ’bittersweet’), just do it. I would not be mad to see this on someone as their personal style choice.

I think concrit here is kind of shitty. I would never trust it. I am lucky to have a few friends I can confide in for coordinate advice, but I tried it once here and if I followed gulls' advice would probably be in the nitpick thread.

>>10228270
You're wrong

>>10228290
ロリータ is for both the fashion and the book/fetish/everything
ロリィタ is for the fashion only, I think novala may have made this a thing

>>10227818
THIS.
More dogs that aren't corgis please!!!
I'm also tired of STRAWBERRIES and CROSSES.
Celtic crosses? How about blueberries?
A lingonberry print would be adorable.

99% of the time, circle lenses look like shit. especially so on white girls, but even other races I find it uncanny.

and I tend to associate circle lenses and that specific type of makeup with cosplayers, weeb trash being some the biggest bunch of degenerates on the face of the planet

I don’t think this isn’t that unpopular of an opinion, but I think most coords look best with very subtle makeup. that bug eye look chinese models for taobao brands always have on creeps me tf out

I'm aware it's a history based fashion, but i hate when people do unironic renaissance LARPs in lolita.

There was a meet where some chick wanted to host a LARP meet up and made up some story about gay princesses or something.

Yes, this happens more often than you think.

>>10228325
I'd rather this than a fukkin Pokemon or harry potter themed meet.

>>10228321
Show us the bug eyes.

>>10228325
Man I’m a huge enough nerd that this concept doesn’t totally put me off. Less “gay princess” though and more court intrigue, drama between noble houses, and maybe a murder or two. More interesting than just the twentieth tea party of the year.

>>10228321
Well yeah, it's shoop

test

>>10228296
>transphobic AND racist lolitas
I'm loving this thread so much, you grills making me want to marry a lolita

>>10228321
seconding on the minimal makeup

>>10228325
I'm completely ignorant to the lolita world, but it seems like to me that some lolitas are trying to emulate a historic dress code, and with history fans there comes LARPing and those kind of historical events everyone dresses in

Even though it's based on historical European clothing, I think lolita looks best on Asian girls. Especially sweet.

>>10228350
/cgl/ + /pol/ = perfect match?

>>10228354
Except for people who history LARP usually care about historical accuracy and production. There's not much overlap of these communities, honestly.

>>10228251
I say "princess fashion" when normies ask

>>10228132
Ooooo spooky dead Victorian child vibes. I’m here for it

>>10228350
If it makes you feel better, these people are in the minority, which is why it is unpopular opinions and they would be trashed for saying these things in public. The constant tranny rant thing though, I assumed they meant men dressing up as women as a fetish and for some reason thinking lolita comms are an appropriate environment to live out their fantasies, rather than a rant against transgender women

>>10228263
That they’ve told you

>>10228357
so it seems, we also want to go back to a place where there is virtually no degeneracy. Would you grills be alright with being a traditional stay at home wife (as many tea parties and clothes shoping as you'd like included in the deal) and having at least 3 kids?

>>10228360
I bet you have a few history nuts in your ranks though

>>10228345
You failed the test

>>10228365
at least there are some ;_;

>>10228136
Married

>>10228309
No more strawberries, please! :(
there are so many other fruit

>>10228229
>Unpopular opinion

this is literally the most popular opinion in the fashion. it gets discussed all the time. i have never met a single person who is like "wow yeah lolita is the best possible name for this fashion subculture"

the furthest people get from dislike of the name is apathy about it.

>>10228378
cherries? whatever you do, not tomatos, I saw a cheapo jewlery brand fuck up a cute fruity collar by just adding a tomato, and btw, strawberries ar extremely cute

>mfw thinking about strawberry panties
oh my

>>10228395
i've loved the tomato dresses i've seen but i also just really love tomatoes so perhaps bias

>>10228136
I have a real life bf.

>>10228309
You guys are getting corgi prints?

There's nothing wrong with wearing lolita mostly or exclusively to events and the people who do this are still lolitas. This is unpopular on cgl.

>>10228395
Cherries saturate the market just as much as strawberries.

Give me peaches.

>>10228396
I'm trying to imagine it and it doesn't look bad, but nothing touches strawberry master race

>>10228401
ok peaches are alright, totally unrelated but I'm completely in love with polka dots

>>10228372
Yes to all but the 3 kids part. 2 max, 1 is better. Need a nanny though so I can make art and be a socialite. And no fucking the nanny. This is a reasonable compromise.

>>10228408
so when are we marrying? If I'm lucky I'm landing a good job soon that can make the nany happen, just one condition though, the nany doesnt take care of the children, we do

>>10228401
Or plums or apples

>>10228401
a peach print would be awesome

I love being surrounded with pussy, thank you grills, and btw, I think a pink hair/wig lolita would be cute/sexy af, also moar erotic lolitas pl0x

>>10228410 >>10228372
you have to be 18 to use this site

>>10228413 >>10228410 >>10228372
you have to be 18 to use this site

>>10228415
I'm over 9000 years old

Subaru_kitten on Snapchat for big Tiddy goth gf

>>10228410
Ok, we can do that, nanny for when we travel though and housekeeper the rest of the time. You need to be making 6 figures to start with and have a decent investment portfolio started. Will you be actively participating in any political campaigns? Have a clean record? Parents have clean records? No hereditary diseases or deformities in your family line? Masters degree completed yet?

>>10228421
You should ask about his internal organs and blood type while you're at it. Those can be sold for a nice amount of cash.

>>10228413
Here you go.

Unpopular opinion.
J-fashion brands are Japanese.
Everything else is just inspired by it and non-Japanese shouldn't call their fashion lines j-fashion.
Another unpopular opinion. I'd like one FB lolita group for coord posting where the main piece is always a Japanese designed burando piece. No taobao, no indy, no Bodyline.

>>10227884
I applaud you for that. UTKs only ever look good on really skinny and pretty girls in my experience, so if you pull them off, you really puff them off

>>10228372
lolitas are child free lesbians who hate men, what makes you think this would be successful at all

>>10228439
>I'd like one FB lolita group for coord posting where the main piece is always a Japanese designed burando piece. No taobao, no indy, no Bodyline.
That's a good idea anon.

>>10228439
What is about lolitas specifically that don't seem to understand fashion spreading and changing in new cultures? Would you say punk is an American fashion only because that's where it started, and every other country that adopted it and changed it up was doing it wrong? No.

A FB group to contain brandwhores would be excellent though, if they also agree to leave the main groups. No more elitist bullshit sounds like a dream.

>>10227895
We really don't owe anyone anything.

Just say the brand name of your dress, no need to say 'lolita' at all. They don't need to know the fashion genre name.

Problem solved.

>>10228454
Let's be honest. If the brandwhores left we would be stuck with mostly itas.

>>10228445
No.
lolitas are foxes that wear fashion, to feel human.

Foxes tend to favor dresses, especially if the dress is
high-quality, rare, and matches something else that the fox owns.

Fantasy MMOs usually feature a class that has the ability to
tame animals, and/or turn into animals (usually foxes).

That class is NEVER male. (unless you edit the game files, which will earn you a ban)

That class is a lolita.

Lolitas like to chat in Global channels,
to Buy/Sell/Trade dresses with one another, in-game. (sound familiar?)

Lolitas will usually talk down to, or laugh at, another lolita with a "lesser" dress.
(like /cgl/)

Foxes are nearly impossible to tame. (Like /cgl/ )

/cgl/ is a fox.

tl;dr Lolitas are foxes. Literal foxes. This includes every /cgl/ poster you ever replied to.

>>10227977
>>10227981
I love you both and want to be your friend so badly.

>>10228458
You are way overestimating the amount of brandwhores on FB or misunderstanding what a brandwhore is. There are plenty of people who wear only brand but don't judge people for wearing indie, those aren't brandwhores. The rare true ones who try to shit talk indies on places like RC get shut down by a lot of people real quick.

>>10228257
I don't want the name to be different because of normies asking what I'm wearing. I want it to be different because I noticed 100% less men and "nymphets" follow me on social media since I stopped using lolita.

>>10228357
You can't have this and also pretend cgl is full of lesbians. They literally want LGBT people dead.

>>10228439
I agree that jfashion = brands from Japan. But I think lolita doesn't necessarily have to be all Japanese brands. Just don't call it Japanese fashion if you're not wearing things from Japan.

>>10228454
Nobody says they are wearing "American fashion" or "British fashion" when they're wearing punk though.

>>10228477
Lol
Old addage, "smart people come to 4chan to be dumb and dumb people come to reddit to be smart."
It's true for every board that isn't predominately female, since we can't take jokes.
Plus all our refugee traffic such as yourself, go back to your own dead site you fucking leech.

>>10228483
You shitting up the thread was a funny joke to non-females?

>>10228481
>Nobody says they are wearing "American fashion" or "British fashion" when they're wearing punk though.
Correct. But OP seems to think that lolita = Japanese only just because it originated there, which is not how fashion works.

>>10228486
Those were certainly words

>>10228487
Punk was a movement.
Lolita is a fashion under a movement, but it isn't one in and of itself.

Please compare things that actually exist on the same cultural taxonomic level.

>>10228303
Do you have a source for the Novala thing? I'm very interested in linguistics.

>>10228355
This a popular opinion

>>10228454
Punk started in England, you walnut.

>>10228502
They're both fashions. Substitute "punk" for any other popular fashion of your choosing.

>>10228517
Hahaha, please go do some research. It spread there after starting in the US.

>>10228547
US gave it music, UK gave it style.
Try me bitch.

>substitute Punk for any other style
And make your argument right by what measure exactly?

Does any other country significantly contribute to the /fashion/ as much or more than the Japanese? No? Then it's still Jfash regardless of imitation.

>>10228487
No, did I say lolita? I said j-fashion. But yeah it irks me when bigmouth Taobao-chan goes off in public ’It's a Japanese street fashion and it is from Harajuku and it is influenced by Japanese kawaii aesthetic...blablabla...seems a bit hypocritical to ride on Japanese coat-tails when you don't even support the brands or represent in at least some of your wardrobe purchases, you know?

Not everyone who wears mostly burando shits on people who don't wear it in fact most don't! Live and let live, right? But there's also nothing wrong with wanting a specialty coord group and Instagram tag intended to feature and support burando by requiring the main piece to be a Japanese lolita brand, preferably with a link to their website included.

>>10227285
I don't completely agree with your opinion. However I respect it because I went to a meet up with sticker crafts as the main activity. So here we are, 25 years old and up, all making sticker crafts with markers. I have never been back. Talk about age regression...sticker crafts!!!

>>10227312
Agree %.

>>10228547
What if I choose to wear an Italian tailored suit from aliexpress

>>10228459
way to out yourself as a terminal furfag

>>10228735
I love you, foxy <3

>>10227333
"Action Lolita"
Starring: Sylvester Stallone

>>10228716
What the....?
Who was in charge?

An elementary school teacher?

>>10228716
Why did you go if that was the main activity? Or they just said ’lolita craft meet’ and you assumed something actually lolita-related as the crafts? Holy shit.

>>10228454
No, I would say Punk is an international music and cultural movement that happened to also include a certain fashion aesthetic same as later Goth. Since both came from the music, and the music scene was multicultural, the fashions weren't rooted to a specific country like Japanese street fashion is. Lolita is one that has spread widely and there are designers over the world who make Lolita items, that's cool. But if an American or Korean indy designer is in charge of a design house, how can the product they make just magically be j-fashion? It might be Lolita style but it's not j-fashion, theres a distinction.

I think the Japanese designed lolita fashion as a whole still has a stronger sense nationalism despite what people say about certain brands ’bending over’ to Western or Chinese preferences. And yes, some of us just buy Japanese brand, always have so we did not just change when TaoBao came along. Most of us are opinionated on it for our own purchases but not loud or rude about it, what's the point? People can wear what they want, we included.

What makes a brandwhore is not just ’wearing only Japanese brand’, it's when someone is mean about someone else NOT wearing Japanese brand. It's not ’mean’ to want a group to feature Japanese brand main pieces. Anyone who wears them can join and show their coords. Is it mean to make an LV bag group for those fans? Do you think the CHANEL bag fans should cry about it?

>>10228777

I think it’s a non issue that rufflechat often gets the same topics brought up every few months. I have always seen it as a beginner group. Everyone REEEEs “use the search function!” but most people don’t want to add to a topic that is old.

Like, as long as the OP isn’t retarded like Boomer-Chan, the post is well put together and it leads to discussion... I think letting those general, repeat topics live is helpful for newbies and gives people who have only been in the fashion for a year or less a place to give input about their new found passion

>>10228978
There was NO mention of crafts!!! No mention of sticker activity. There was no mention of coloring.

>>10228783
I can't remember. The meet up had no mention of crafts activity. On the table were piles of stickers, paper shapes, coloring markers, GLITTER and glue. Horrified. I just sat in silent shock.

I wanna see lolita panties

>>10229691

New thread
>>10229705

>>10227974
Yes. And yes women do the same shit. Have you seen the beauty guru community? Where women seek to cancel and shit on each other just for having an annoying voice? Or how women criticize other women for not being "feminine enough" or being "masculine enough" depending on your flavor? I'm in a male dominated degree program and I've been met with more shit from women than my guy colleges.

>>10227977
Never said it was an issue, just stop making excuses about it or blowing your shit if you so much as see a guy call a woman a bitch when you call dudes sissies. Unfortunately to be a sissie I'd have to be a guy.

>>10227981
Ah yes the websites that get made fun of by anyone with more than two brain cells.

>>10228002
>Lolita was first used for a clothing collection and more magazines started using it
>People wearing the fashion didn't choose it

did you hear youself? Don't you think people went with it because magazines used it and people wear clothes from magazines...?

>>10228068
You can take inspiration from more than one place. In Japan, they have a style known as the "American Lolita" that was popularized by larme brands and also the "Lolita" that takes inspiration from UK and french history. and all a lot of japanese lolitas did was add the kanji for "clothes" to the name which would translate it into "lolita clothes". It ain't really a name change, it's just more clarification.

So the point still stands the name isn't a 1:1 with the novel, but still ended up getting chosen for a reason rather than just random coincidence.

>>10228290
It literally the same pronunciation.

In japanese, you can spell and say things a million different ways and what it means just depends on the context.

ロリータ
ロリタ
ロリィタ
ロリタ服

And other variants are the same translation with just a different nuance. Idk where people are getting hte idea of "Well, japanese lolitas don't call it "lolita" anymore, they call it "rorita""

and it's just like... the Japanese language doesn't have an "L" sound, so it was always pronounced and spelled "Rorita". They aren't changing the name, they just changed the spelling but the translation is still the same. Japanese is a very context and based language where you can omit a lot of things and still get the point across... which makes it tricky to translate and navigate if you don't know that. To people not familiar with japanese, it looks like it's a name change when in reality, all it is the same pronunciation and same translation. What it means just depends on the context.

Otherwise, brands still sometimes use ゴスロリ and other variations of "loli" when to comes to paring it with a theme or substyle. "loli" and "lolita" isn't as big of a thing over there as it is over here and less people blow their tops over "pervy" or "sexual" contexts as long as you aren't actually harassing people and all that. Not to mention, around the time this was getting popularized with the kawaii movement, there was a lot about how it was childish and not woman-like, so ofc they would choose a name that has a more "childish" connotation to it so to say when the push back against the fashion was because it was considered childish. Now there is less push back because it's more mainstream than 20 years ago but still. Let's not pretend that JPN lolitas (both of the "American Lolita" variant and the "Rococo Fashion" variant) were "totally ignorant" when it came to using the name themselves.

>>10229883
That anon was arguing people already wearing the fashion came up with lolita first. They didn't, and there was backlash against it.
The Larme version of lolita is similar to what Milk designed back then. When Japanese people were trying to make neo lolita a thing, they even said it was based on lolita jfashion from back then (not French history or whatever).

>>10229894
>What it means just depends on the context
The context is that a lot of Japanese girls didn't want to be associated with pedophiles so they changed the spelling. They have tried to make more major changes to the name, but people who didn't wear lolita kept going with what normies called it. Fortunately I don't have that problem, since normies here don't know what it is. I can call it whatever I want and I may wear a full brand coord but not call it lolita.

>>10227487
Because it's too bright. There's no depth to the color, it just looks flat. You see this a lot in wedding gowns, actually. The majority of samples are sent out in ivory or off white. You order it in bright white and it looks ugly, the shadows are harsher, and any flaws in material are made all the more visible. It washes out anyone who wears it too.

Obviously it's an unpopular opinion to buy something from lace market and think it could be shipped out quickly. Because every thing I purchased I get a, "Hey honey, I will mail this out next week sometime."

>>10231539
People have full time jobs

>>10227261
There's a good amount of people that should never preoccupy themselves with fashion and their looks and are better off putting their focus in improving themselves in a mental/carreer/hobby/whatever way instead.

That is because they re never going to be significant in the looks department due to aesthetics and hence never satisfied so this is a very cruel road to walk.

Nobody ever speaks about this because its a horrible thought but most of us know its true.