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What are your unpopular lolita opinions? Could be anything from the fashion itself, to meet-ups and online comms.

DO remember that anons know they're posting unpopular things.

DON'T post something everyone agrees with, or lose your mind over obvious bait.

>> No.10141820 [DELETED] 

>>10141819
Fatty’s should be banned from wearing food coords. Or if they do wear food coords they should be considered as automatically giving consent to be mocked.

>> No.10141824

>>10141820
This gets mentioned like every time we have one of these threads.

>> No.10141825

I think bow headbands which are just the plain dress print are both ugly and lazy. IMO, it somehow makes people look like toddlers way worse than anything else.

>> No.10141826

>>10141820
>>10141824
yeah i wouldn't say it's unpopular to anyone but the fatties

>> No.10141827

Solid white tights are cute

>> No.10141829

I hate Q-pot and fake miniature food jewelry and sweets and food prints in general. Just fuck off.

>> No.10141830

>>10141829
I agree about the food jewelry. It looks tacky as hell. Prints, I'm fine with.

>> No.10141834 [DELETED] 

>>10141826
>>10141824
/cgl/ has a large population of fatties.

>> No.10141835 [DELETED] 

>>10141819
If you're fat, or a tranny, you shouldn't be in lolita.

>> No.10141836

Red matches with almost anything

>> No.10141837

>>10141836
Go away Lor

>> No.10141840

Lolita has turned from a street fashion with punk and handmade roots into overpriced fast fashion for normies who think they're princesses and it's disgusting

>> No.10141841

>>10141840
This, nice costumes girls

>> No.10141842

>>10141840
That has happened to every alternative fashion. It really fucks me up that punk fashion was anti-capitalist and now "punks" just hit up hot topic for everything.

>> No.10141849

>>10141840
The fact that lolita is meant to be a rejection of society’s ideals for women needs to be fucking screamed from the goddamn rooftops. If I hear one more person complain that they can’t wear lolita as much as they want because “my boyfriend doesn’t like it” I’m going to have a god damn aneurysm.

>> No.10141854

>>10141849
Some of us actually enjoy having partners and don't just whore ourselves out you hambeast.

>> No.10141865

>>10141849
While I also wear lolita entirely for myself, I think some people wear it for different reasons. A lot of people just wear it because they like it, which is valid. I do think it's really dumb to drop lolita over a relationship and I hope people stop doing that, but they never will. I definitely would either force my partner to accept it or break up with them. My love of lolita triumphs over love of humans.

>> No.10141866

>>10141854
The implication here that in order to keep a significant other, one must tolerate their hatred of lolita fashion is so revealing, and so depressing.

>> No.10141868

>>10141842
fashion in GENERAL has become fast fashion. How many street styles involve handmaking things anymore? People don't learn how to sew in school these days and they just throw things away when they fall apart. They can't handmake shit because they don't know how

>> No.10141869

>>10141835
Agree

>> No.10141871

>>10141836
Nope. Reds match very very hard.

>> No.10141872

>>10141868
>How many street styles involve handmaking things anymore
>>10141840
>has turned from a street fashion with punk and handmade roots into overpriced fast fashion for normies

The backlash for handmade pieces is something that always hurts me. I really like seeing lolitas trying to make their own pieces, even when it ends up looking awful. This overestimation for Japanese Brands is what probably scares people on trying to start making their own pieces and accessories.

>> No.10141873

>>10141854
>>10141866
my bf loves what makes me happy and says I look good in anything. maybe find someone who's not embarrassed to be with your ugly ass in lolita? or one who's not that self-conscious?

>> No.10141875

>>10141854
>Some of us actually enjoy having partners
Find a partner that respects your hobbies, anon. He or she shouldn't dictate what or how you should wear something.

>> No.10141891

>>10141868
I feel like general fashion isn't about handmade shit. A lot of it is about consumerism and brands. Lolita is going down that same path, owning a lot of shit because it's brand and you wanna flex, not wearing handmade at all, looking like everyone else.
Alternative fashion is inherently about individualism and anti-consumerism. A bit sad that alternative fashion is now going to your local hot topic and buying some mass produced crap and thinking you're different because of it.
Should add I too contribute to this, I buy brand and whatnot. Its really hard to avoid wanting to support brands you love and owning nice pieces. Just hate that the mentality of being different/yourself has been replaced with flexing and being a part of a "community". Seriously so many lolitas care so much more about the community and fitting in than the actual fashion. That's why we have so many lolitas at heart

>> No.10141917

>>10141840
The issue alongside this, and having experienced this myself, is that handmade takes a lot of practice to do well, and is generally looked down upon by the community. Very few girls are willing to or have time to learn the skill of sewing, then it's tough starting out because you're bound to make mistakes when you start, and get posted here and ripped to shreds, which is depressing, and a lot give up and just buy brand because it's easier and you subject yourself to less ridicule. My first half dozen creations ended up here (no, I'm not KK), but I have thick skin and I took it as a learning experience, and I've gone back and corrected mistakes I made. I've also been exposed to OnS and that's helped a lot. Now I split the middle; I have brand, Taobao, and homemade items in my wardrobe. But more sensitive gulls will throw in the towel. I hate to say it, but I think cgl has made it harder to be a homemade lolita.

>> No.10141921

>>10141891
>Alternative fashion is inherently about individualism and anti-consumerism

individualism i get, but anticonsumerism? just because you like a different aesthetic than what's currently popular doesn't make an altfashion fan any more or less inclined to "consume." personally i appreciate that it's easier to "consume" now thanks to e-commerce, and i'd love it if many of the current "alternative fashions" went more mainstream so they'd be easier to obtain and it would be easier to blend in while still looking how you want to look

>> No.10141924

>>10141819

fuck blouses in the summer; i'm cool with wearing some opera gloves or just any arm covers really. my shoulders could use some tanning

>> No.10141926

>>10141820
Banned? You realize people are free to wear wherever the fuck they want- this isn’t an issue of legality

>> No.10141929

>>10141840
Now this is the kind of unpopular opinion I want to see.

>> No.10141930 [DELETED] 

>>10141926
I don't think they meant it literally calm down fatty

Just because we think you look like shit doesn't mean you have to stop wearing lolita

>> No.10141931

People who complain about lolita being ruined because of social media need to get over it, you shouldn't let your passion for something be influenced by what others think or say

>> No.10141932

i prefer that colors align rather than themes. themed coords are fun but the anons who reeeee at star clips being used with, say, a fruit themed coord, or food jewelry in a floral coord, despite how good the colors might look because "mixing themes is terrible" crack me up

>> No.10141939

>>10141932
Agreed

>> No.10141940

I don't like wristcuffs and idk why. They look fine in other people but I always just wear long sleeves or gloves or cute bracelets instead

>> No.10141942

>>10141930
>Just because we think you look like shit doesn't mean you have to stop wearing lolita
That's true but you don't need to say it in every thread. Your opinion isn't unpopular in anyway. That's part of why it's so despised now.

>> No.10141949

I hate busy printed tights with a passion. I think simple otks are better, especially if the print of the dress itself is already detailed.
The main piece should be the main focus and everything else should accent it/compliment it.

>> No.10141950

>>10141942
anon, its not worth replying to that person. They won't change their mind, they want to get a rise out of people. Not like they'd ever say anything in real life. A lot of people like that just have an inferiority complex. Probably an ugly face or something. You can lose weight for free but it's a lot of money to fix a ugly face.
Also, they're probably going to reply to this with fatty. Ignore them like i will.

>> No.10141952

>>10141940
literally same anon, i think wristcuffs only work in sweet.

>> No.10141955

>>10141940
Maybe you have pretty wrists? A bit of a weird thing but I find some people have really nice wrists, maybe subconsciously you wanna show them off.

>> No.10141956

>>10141949
I don't hate printed tights inherently, but I hate how they're always recommended for co-ords that really don't need them.
Solid or lace tights can look great, and printed brand tights just aren't practical for wearing often, they're expensive and delicate.

>> No.10141961

>>10141891
>>10141921
Agree that lolita has never been about anti consumerism. It's always been brand/commodity focused and that's okay. Lolita has always honest about what it is, it's not the same as all the prominent goths suddenly becoming shillstar clones and not listening to the music. Unlike goth though, lolita is a fashion and thus commodity based subculture. Always has been. Yes some people make their own stuff but it's never been a majority, most of us buy secondhand but not to save the planet or whatever. It's because we want a specific commodity. Lolita has never not been a brand and commodity driven subculture. Even in the street snap days everyone wore brand and VW.

As previous anons have mentioned, lolita came out of rejecting society's expectations towards women, the whole "don't stick out, you need to be a sensible mother and wife and nothing else" shitck in Japan. It came from young women saying "no, I don't care. I want to dress and exist for myself" which includes the unapologetic frivolity of the fashion. At it's most extreme extent, it's lolita fashion > everything else. Loving your dresses and sometimes scouring for months,even years to find them. That satisfaction of finally getting your dream dress. No 'anti consumerist' would care that much about their clothes, period. Do you think rococo obsessed Momoko was anti consumerist? Lol.

I think lolita isn't anti consumerist, but as a whole it is still technically slow fashion in that it doesn't provide much instant gratification and generally requires hard work to obtain and wear to a decent standard. Even most big brands are relatively small businesses since the fashion is so niche. When VM announced closure a lot of us were devastated despite not wearing classic because it's a blow for the community as a whole. Even though AP and Baby now produce polyester messes from god knows where, lolita is still not fast fashion. Many of us are chasing dresses from decades ago.

>> No.10141964 [DELETED] 

>>10141926
Be more mad fatty.

>> No.10141967

what’s even the point of taobao when brand can be had second hand for less money and more ease? I own some taobao myself but that was from the one time I bought from there. The quality is absolute shit and I don’t feel good about wearing it. I still hold on to it tho because my lil cousin likes to wear lolita when she comes to visit

>>10141949
agreed

>> No.10141971

I think lolitas should be lovelies. I hate going to meets where people are really loud and rude, it bothers me even more than when people act like that outside of lolita.

>>10141932
I'm kind of the opposite. I don't really care about colors as long as they're balanced and don't clash, but I think it's so cute when people match themes. I also think things like visual weight are really important.

>>10141949
seconded. Printed tights also never seem to read well from a distance even if they have really cute designs.

>> No.10141978

>>10141940
i don't dislike them but i have never looked at a pair of wristcuffs and been like "i want these" and have never looked at a coord without them and thought "this would be better with wristcuffs" nor have i looked at a coord with them and been like "yes these wristcuffs add substance to this coordinate"

like there is no appeal, they are just...there. i'd probably wear them if someone bought some for me but it's never anything i've felt compelled to admire or spend money on

>> No.10141981

>>10141971
I actually agree. I hate the forced bitchiness some lolitas have. Like they don't have a personality so they just force one they learned through other bitchy lolitas on facebook or on here.
It's nice meeting nice lolitas.

>> No.10141984

>>10141967
It's not for you, it's for Chinese girls. The only reason to buy from them is if you like the designs.
>>10141961
It's never been the case that everybody made their own clothes, but clothes were made with so much more care back in the old days. Now the vast majority of things are made in some shitty third world country by a person who's never even heard of lolita. It's a pretty big difference.

>> No.10141988

>>10141950
>Probably an ugly face or something. You can lose weight for free but it's a lot of money to fix a ugly face.
wow, you're just as bad as they are actually.

>> No.10141994

>>10141967
a lot of the appeal of taobao, at least at first, was their designers' willingness to take risks (especially with prints) and pursue more novelty than brands did. the handful of taobao pieces i own didn't have brand alternatives/substitutes, because at the time brands weren't willing to experiment with more novel themes like whales, egyptian themes, menhera, etc. i only get your standpoint when it comes to situations like "oh i need a new blouse" because it's better to fill that wardrobe gap with a secondhand brand piece than a taobao piece

>> No.10141996

>>10141981
>>10141971
same. i hate hanging out with other lolitas and they miss basic etiquette things like standing up straight, speaking clearly, and eating neatly. it doesn't matter how cute you're dressed if you behave like a pig.

I feel like i meet a lot of lolitas who lean to hard into edginess too because they "i MaY dReSs LiKe a LaDy bUt i DoN't hAvE tO aCt liKE oNE HURRRR but you just look stupid.

>> No.10142000

>>10141950
you know, you can be attractive and make fun of fatties. I'd honestly even call my ego pretty large and deservedly so, so there's no inferiority complex. I don't make fun of uggos or tall chans or whatever, because I know they can't help it. I just dislike fat lolitas because they ruin the clothing (literally, by stretching it out) and expect brands to cater to them for unhealthily stuffing their face. That's just being selfish.

And the funniest part is that you CAN lose weight for free like you said! But they STILL don't! I find gluttony especially repulsive in a fashion centered around femininity and being dainty.

I do have respect for ex-fattychans who lose the weight, or fatty chans who get custom clothing that fit them, but anyone who whines about not fitting into brand because they're too large is just a walking embarrassment.

>> No.10142004

>>10142000
Not them but I guarantee you’re not as good looking as you think you are, much like all of cgl lolitas.

>> No.10142008 [DELETED] 

>>10142000
Agreed with all of this. Fatties are the bottom of the barrel. Them looking disgusting is entirely their own fault and they can do so much to change it but they don’t and get upset when you call them out on it.

I’m not anachan levels of thin, but I have a BMI of 18.9, so we’ll within the normal range. Bought a JSK I hadn’t in a different colorway recently, and I was ASTOUNDED by how stretched out it was. The elastic was busted to hell and the entire piece just hung off of me. She said nothing about damages. Fuck that seller. Fuck all fat lolitas desu.

>> No.10142009

>>10142004
I don't really care to prove it either way.

>> No.10142013

>>10142008
it's flat out disrespectful to the clothing and the fact that it's a limited piece of history when they treat it like trash to stuff themselves into

>> No.10142016

>>10141978
Same. There's usually nothing about them that interests me and I barely even take notice of them in a coord. I don't wear sweet so maybe that's why but honestly I'd rather just wear long sleeves or some pretty jewellery. I can never justify the price either when I could get a headpiece or cute tights/socks instead.

>>10141984
>Now the vast majority of things are made in some shitty third world country by a person who's never even heard of lolita.
What brands are you buying anon? Unless you exclusively buy exclusively brand new AP or taobao flavour of the month prints I struggle to see how you're going to get stuff like that. Even baby still makes most of their main pieces in Japan.
>clothes were made with so much more care back in the old days.
Most lolitas still buy older pieces though. They're highly sought after and you'd be hard pressed to find many lolitas with a closet of 100% recent releases in any substyle.

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>>10142009
No one asked you to, because again you mean less than you think

>> No.10142030

IDK why everyone is arguing about fatty hate. It's not an unpopular opinion.

>> No.10142031 [DELETED] 

>>10142023
ok sure, whatever. fats are still a disgrace either way and you've done nothing to disprove it

>> No.10142034

>>10142030
it wasn't a few years ago but it is now.

>> No.10142039 [DELETED] 

>>10142030
Recently you see fatties here getting really upset about it here. We’re becoming softer here, and not for the best.

>> No.10142048

>>10142039
kek, literally

>> No.10142055

I like taobao brands more than actual burando im so sorry

>> No.10142060

>>10142055
BTSSB and AP are interchangeable to me honestly. taobao has more character and puts out more interesting shit

>> No.10142070

>>10142000
This. They have options. Violentfane does custom sizing. (She made me something extra small before. I'm not an ana-chan but I'm legally a little person and pretty slender to boot)
Dollbe has quite a few decent pieces, too, that go up to really large sizes. (And she seems to be working on losing weight herself. Good for her, desu.)
Fatties HAVE options to wear lolita. They just don't want them because they feel entitled to burando. Which shows they care more about the "lolita cred" than they do about wearing lolita.

>> No.10142103

Maybe I’m completely fucking retarded but I honestly do not understand why north american lolita brands cannot seem to get off the ground

>> No.10142104

>>10142103
Usually just not enough good design sense, not enough seed money, too much catering to landwhales who don’t know how to dress themselves on the daily, much less in a subculture fashion, and thus wear the brand poorly and make it look like shit. That’s IMO anyway.

>> No.10142112

>>10141932
In my opinion, matching theme is great for bigger meet ups and tea parties but if you’re wearing lolita daily it doesn’t matter.

>> No.10142114

>>10142104
But is there really that much more design sense and money in Japan?
Im sure I’m thinking the same way every failed indie brand and boarded up storefront once thought.
Though, i guess being fed up with language barriers and shipping costs isn’t an unpopular opinion by any stretch of the imagination

>> No.10142118

>>10142114
Lower barrier to entry with dense population

>> No.10142126

>>10142008
Are you sure it was damaged? A lot of dresses are just big. It's not a new thing, there are big dresses now and there were even in oldschool era

>> No.10142129

>>10142008
No one, and I do mean no one, asked or cares about your BMI. Nobody asked. Please take your embarrassing humblebrag elsewhere.

>> No.10142131
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10142131

I don't care if Otome as a term doesn't exist in Japan. The whole olive girl style was ugly, I use otome to refer to a specific aesthetic and I don't care if it's wrong. Even if otome was a Japanese style in the 80s its not a term Japan uses anymore, so who cares?

>> No.10142133

>>10142126
>>10142008

If it's damaged you can usually tell, the elastic feels stiffer and weirder. In which case message the seller and ask for a refund, or open a paypal case, and leave feedback saying seller didn't disclose damages. Really no different from someone who didn't disclose a stain, shit sellers are shit no matter their weight.

If the elastic isn't actually stiff and can still stretch and shrink (not to your size, if it shrinks back to whatever size the dress is without becoming bigger each time), then it's likely the dress was bigger in the first place. I've met some oldschool fatties chasing down ~20 year old dresses because some of them had busts that fit >100cm.

>> No.10142134 [DELETED] 

>>10142126
>>10142133
I have the jsk in another color, it isn’t like that at all. The one I was recently sold is definitely damaged. I’m opening a PP claim against this hambeast.

>>10142129
Spot the fatty.

>> No.10142137

>>10142134

lol no. Someone sold me a damaged dress too. That's why I said go message the seller and open a paypal dispute.

>> No.10142138 [DELETED] 

>>10142137
>that’s why i told you to do something you already did

Alright. And what post are you? The only one that “lol no” would be appropriate to respond with is >>10142129 where I responded calling you a fatty. Nowhere did you tell me to open a PP dispute if you’re that post. Or are you somehow fucking up reading that post?

>> No.10142144

>>10142138

Dang I misread. My bad.

>> No.10142147

Lor tries way too hard to be nicey-nice and politically correct that it comes off as grating

>> No.10142155

>>10142103
>>10142114

Labour costs is really high. That's why burandos and taobao are all producing their stuff in Asian countries where labour costs is so much cheaper. Plus if you're not big enough you won't be able to find the 100+ orders that you need to get a factory to mass-produce the clothing, and the 1000 yards MOQ you'd need for custom printed fabric (if you decide to go the novelty route). If you sew every dress yourself while offering custom sizing really you're signing up for doing a custom paper pattern for every order of free while the selling a $300 dress that isn't even cheap to produce.

So the costs are already high, margins are thin with not much room for error, and then the lack of fashion sense (aka special snowflake designs because they need to stand out from burando) and catering to fatties (so all their customers made their products look kinda shit, putting off other customers), or pouring money into promoting a design that doesn't take off (paying models, photoshoots, even sending free dresses to someone on insta costs money) will pretty much tank a brand rather quickly. Add to that you're actually competing with everything ever made because lolitas buy secondhand, and the market just got harder and smaller.

I think there's actually a couple of small tiny indies that keep going -- Eat Me Ink Me, and Sweet Mildred. But they don't really try to make it big with the biggest "it" print of the year, they just seem to keep on trucking selling things as a business.

>> No.10142157

>>10142013
Here's my opinion.

Nobody's obligated to keeping pieces in pristine condition for other people. This isn't the sisterhood of the fucking shark dress. It's second-hand clothes.

If you don't want to risk buying stretched out brand, buy it new.

Beyond that, someone might be normal size, who bought it off someone who was normal size, who bought it off someone who was bigger in Japan. How can you trace everything and expect everyone to have perfect history? You can't.

Better to suck it up, fork over the money and stay off the second-hand market unless it's new with tag or you can verify every piece. Give up buying old pieces unless they're new. How can you expect something from 10-20 years ago to be pristine when god knows how many people have owned it before you?

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Angelic Pretty doesn‘t deserve the hate it gets online.
The quality barely declined, they always had better pieces and not-so-good pieces, but noone remembers the bad quality pieces from 2009.
Also, the designs were always hit or miss and the reason they have mire if them, is because they release a lot more overall. There is almost no week without new items added to the shop.
They are still going strong and keep the fashion alive together with Baby and IW. And of all the brands they are experimenting the most, trying to appeal to other fashion communities as well (I find pieces I can wear to work more often).
And if I recall correctly, they are doing much more events like in-store and tea parties.

>> No.10142166

>>10141961
>It's always been brand/commodity focused and that's okay.
>Yes some people make their own stuff but it's never been a majority,
This is completely wrong for the western comm and partly wrong for the japanese comm. Please refrain from such dumb blanket statements if you don't actually know about the time you're talking about.

>> No.10142172

>>10142157
Holy shit that strawmanning. They aren't talking about keeping dresses in pristine condition, they are talking about fatties damaging and stretching out brand. And yes, that can be avoided if fatties just wouldn't wear shit that doesn't fit.

>> No.10142174 [DELETED] 

>>10142157
There’s a difference between an item having normal wear and someone stretching out the seems or blowing out the elastic. Those things are considered as major damage.

>> No.10142195

Tea party's are super ugly.

You can wear a lot of bright colours in a lolita coord and mix patterns.

Casual lolita is the best style.

>>10141836
This is actually a common opinion in Japan, some of them even consider it as neutral as black and white.

>> No.10142196

>>10142157
>>10142172
>>10142174

This is fine. And even if you're not a fatty if you keep your shirred dresses in some hot environment then dry rot sets in and still ruins the elastic. Same if you keep tossing it in a hot dryer.

Just be a normal human being and disclose the damage when you sell it, price it down according to the damage. Nothing wrong there, people buy cheap wrecked up shit to fix all the time.

>> No.10142197

>>10141961
>it's never been a majority,
It was the majority in the beginning. It took years for some lolitas to finally start their own brands. Japanese history of lolita says the first lolita brand was MILK but they didn't make that many real lolita clothes. It used to be much more difficult for Western lolitas to buy brand from Japan too, so the majority was handmade and off-brand. People who owned real Japanese lolita brand were admired though. Even now if you look through twitter you see a lot of handmade, and Otome no Sewing is the only regular lolita magazine still in print.

>> No.10142199

>>10142131
Otome is still a used term in Japan, that's why you look retarded when you use it wrong. The correct terms for the styles you mean would be casual lolita, emikyu style or girly style.

>> No.10142202

>>10141820
How fat is too fat though?

>> No.10142208

>>10142131
Otome is still a very normal word in Japan, but they use it in a very different way. It means maiden, so saying you wear „otome style“ would be like saying „I wear girly style“. No japanese person would know what style that is.

>> No.10142220

I think as a general rule, all comms should raise their standard for entry
It's just miserable to be dressed beautifully and have to take group photos and walk around publicly with chubbers wearing no makeup, no petti, old nasty converse, and an ebay wig
I wish we could just like, maybe post coord photos to the facebook event page before every meet up, and once your coord meets the standards, you're invited
And I do mean every time too, some girls have like one good outfit and the rest of the time they try to show up wearing Target-kei

>> No.10142221

>>10142208
They use otome for boyfriend RPG so they might think you are cosplaying that lol. Also some of the articles linked here >>10141388 are not that old, which suggests they still use it for the vintage style too, it's just not as popular anymore.

>> No.10142222

>>10142131
same, and i say kodona too. i don't care if people use it in japan because i'm not in japan.

>> No.10142226

>>10142222
Let me guess.. You're one of those people who thinks blackface is fine if Japanese or Europeans do it because they're not American.

>> No.10142233

>>10142226
Not that anon but that's the most retarded reach I've read all week.

>> No.10142249

>>10141996
>basic etiquette things like standing up straight
The fuck? What of someone has back problems? Does that somehow make them rude?

You're like one of those old timers that thinks having your elbows on the table is rude.

>> No.10142251

>>10142000
>I don't make fun of uggos
And here you are, using words like "uggo" and claiming to be anywhere near attractive.

>> No.10142252

>>10142031
>you've done nothing to disprove it
It's just your opinion and it's not even an unpopular one. Why are you even in this damn thread.

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Well gulls, seems like we've reached that point again.

>> No.10142259

>>10142249
Not gonna lie, you're right. Im basically a grumpy grandmother.
Obviously health issues are an exception, but slouching looks gross and it wrinkles your dress. It's bad for your back anyway.

But keeping your burando clean is also a helluva lot easier if you put a napkin on your lap, keep your elbows off the table, and eat slowly. A lot of accidents can be avoided with simple manners.

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>>10141819
Not adjusting your style and make-up as you age just makes you look like you're in denial. You can still wear Sugary Carnival at 30, but you CANNOT still coord it like you're 17.

>> No.10142281

>>10142039
I'm a fatty and I think y'all arguig about it is stupid, but fun to watch. Some of us are here to work on bettering ourselves and I agree that the ones just whining aren't doing themselves any favors, but literally all anyone on either side has to do is roll their eyes and move on. This is an opinion thread after all.

>> No.10142282

>>10142249
I have 4 spinal injuries in various areas of my back. My doctors have said sitting up straight is one of the best non-drug methods to avoid chronic back pain.

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Everytime I see someone screeching about Trans, Fat, or Jewish/Black/Etc. folks, I can't help but assume it's just some /pol/ who has come over trying to get e-poon. Nothing you say will ever be able to convince me otherwise.
Lolitas always seem more invested in the actual clothes, and while fatness will certainly impact that, it's just not the focus on a large number of shitty complaints. Hell, Brolitas and Crossdressers do pay attention to the clothes more than the people who come here to start shit.

>> No.10142288

>>10142129
>no one, and I do mean no one, asked or cares about your BMI
I care.
Provides a context for the rest of her post. You trying to speak for all of /cgl/ is much more embarrassing.

>> No.10142289

>>10142282
Ouch sorry to hear about your back anon.

>> No.10142297

>>10142284
I fully believe that's what you think, and I get that if you spend a lot of your time in environments where most people stress tolerance and acceptance to trannies or fatties. (Disregarding race, especially jews, because I barely ever see anyone here mentioning that.)
The thing is, though, I don't think most people here are mentioning trannies or fatties just to start shit. Beyond tumblr a lot of people, yes, even women, find a large percentage of trannies and fatties in lolita disgusting, and rightfully so.
You can disagree with the notion that fat people are unhealthy and gross and trannies are mentally ill and tend to be creepy. You can even disagree with both groups generally not looking good in lolita. But you can't disregard your fellow lolitas having those opinions and lie to yourself about them being from /pol/. Hordes of /pol/ migrants suddenly coming to /cgl/ to complain about stretched out shirring? I don't think so.

>> No.10142305

I don't understand why everyone says tea parties are uncomfortable? How about just buy shoes that fit and stop trying to smash your wide ass hobbit feet into a narrow or rounded shoe.
I've never had a comfort issue, I've worn tea parties for all-day events with no major damage to my feet or major aches and pains beyond what one would expect from being on their feet all day.
I'll agree that tea parties aren't the most attractive shoe choice and they definitely aren't my go-to, but they certainly aren't uncomfortable.

>> No.10142306

>>10142280
A 17 year old can't even afford to own Sugary Carnival unless their parents are wealthy tho. I think you can coord however you want at any age as long as it still looks good on you. Most 30 year olds in the fashion still look fucking good and you probably won't be able to tell how old they are. Meanwhile with normie makeup and fashion trends there are 21 years olds running around looking like 35.

>> No.10142318

>>10142220
I wish we could have a general discussion group and a separate, vetted meetup group. The general group would have the same admission rules as my comm does now; have an interest in wearing lolita even if you currently have no pieces yet and don’t be a fetishist or creep. People could post there to discuss new releases, ask for advice on what pieces to buy, how to coord, etc. Newbie meets, swap meets and maybe super casual picnic or convention meets could be posted there too for people who absolutely feel like they must meet some lolitas or see the clothes in real life before making their first purchase.

The meetup group would be for people who actually have at least two real full coords together and have proven to be serious about the fashion. Sure it might be “elitist” but the only real requirements would be to be an actual lolita who wears the clothes. My comm’s mods have made it clear that these standards are too high for the general region wide group, but why can’t we hold the people we meet up with face to face to these standards? I’m so tired of going to meets and being surrounded by people in cosplay wigs and AliExpres trash who spend all meetup crying about AP being too expensive and size-exclusionary or whatever. Plus it would significantly cut down on annoying guys who are just looking for a >qt loli gf.

>> No.10142323

Fluevog shoes are ita. I know, there used to be 2-3 good loliable designs in the past like the Caravaggio, but these are not the shoes I am talking about. I'm talking about those fugly multi-strap/witch toe/chunky abnormination shoes that are 99% of their models.

>> No.10142324

This probably isn't really unpopular, but if you have no interest in going to meetups or interacting with other people, don't join a damn community.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to be a lonelita, but don't whine you've been removed when you've been inactive in the comm for years and declined every single event invitation.

>> No.10142325

>>10142324
What if the only comm near you is full of itas, sissies, and gender specials?

>> No.10142326

>>10142305
A lot of people have fallen arches and don't realise it. Plenty of normie shoes have a little arch support as standard which would alleviate the discomfort, but tea parties don't have that.

I've found that a special insole makes a world of difference, I can wear tps all day where I couldn't stand it for an hour.

General fit is an issue too but I'd bet my petti that's the reason some people with otherwise normal feet can't manage it.

>> No.10142327

>>10142325
Leave? There's literally no reason to want to stay if that's the state of it. My condolences if that's your situation, anon.

>> No.10142329

last 2 dresses I have bought off of LM have been stretched to shit, shirring fucked, but were listed in good condition and even though "general wear" was written there's a difference between some slight stretching and being stretched enough to make the shirring look wonky

that shouldnt be allowed

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>>10142297
>jews

>> No.10142334

>>10142249
Elbows on the table is rude and will always be rude. Sorry you're an embarrassing slob. Your mother is probably very disappointed in you.

>> No.10142338

>>10141988
i mean, i'm on /cgl/, i'm not gonna pretend i'm nice.

>> No.10142340

>>10142327
Im not in it but I'm lonely as a lolita as a result. I just want well dressed lolita friends who care about the fashion the same way I do to go out and do things with, even if its something small like seeing a movie.
I have 3 friends who have one very simple coord each.
But none of them care about new releases. None of them have dream dresses to share the feels of hunting them down with. None of them put as much effort into their coords.
Im going to a cherry blossom festival next week in the next state over and theres a casual meet up for that comm. Im going to try and introduce myself and see if I can join them, even if Im over an hour away on toll roads and bridges. (Ive joined their FB group.)

>> No.10142344

>>10142297
It doesn't matter if most people find it disgusting. The point is that real lolitas wouldn't have conversations about it all day. They would prefer to talk about unpopular opinions related to lolita.

>> No.10142345

>>10142306
I started working at 15 so I could afford brand early on in my life. I imagine a lot of younger lolitas work.

>> No.10142347

>>10142326
That is definitely a fair point, if there's a medical reason that they are uncomfortable then that's totally understandable, I have to wear insoles in my vintage docs because they have absolutely 0 support so I feel, but the boots themselves actually fit.
I suppose my complaint is more directed at the folks who have their foot meat spilling over the sides who complain about the shoes putting pressure where there shouldn't be any or the shoes rubbing the skin to the point of bleeding and totally ignoring the fact that those shoes just arent made for them. Their feet are uncomfortable because the toes are smashed to an oblivion and there is no proper circulation, it has nothing to do with the shoe itself afaik.

>> No.10142348

>>10142344
nayrt, but those ARE unpopular opinions related to "ReAl loLiTa", you just don't like it. there's nothing wrong with being tolerant or kind to people who are different than you, but youre a literal walnut if you dont understand why we talk about these issues.
this is an anonymous board, nobody cares about your moralfagging here.

>> No.10142356

>>10142284
Do you even know other lolitas? We censor ourselves at meets sure, but get to know us and ask us how we really feel about fatties, brolitas, etc.

This isn't even an unpopular opinion, it's just wrong.

>> No.10142357 [DELETED] 

>>10142284
>even if you present me with facts you can’t change my mind

Typical fatty.

>> No.10142358 [DELETED] 

>>10141854
>>10141873

t. hwc

>> No.10142361 [DELETED] 

>>10142358
Anon, it’s been 3 years, you need to move on past that dead meme.

>> No.10142362

>>10142345
The amount of free income you have as a teenager working part time after school and on weekend is nothing when you’re adult with a real job.

>>10142280
So how do you coord sugary carnival as a 17 year old versus as a 30 year old?

>> No.10142365

>>10142249
found the anon with no manners

>> No.10142366

>>10142259
Slouching isn’t feminine at all. No one wants to see a hunchback-by-choice wearing lipstick.

>> No.10142368

>>10142284
>putting skin color on the same level as gluttony

Thanks anon but being born with melanin isn’t a self-induced disease. And it doesn’t make us ruin Lolita clothing.

>> No.10142369

>>10142323
Duh, it’s not like they claimed to be a Lolita brand.

>> No.10142370 [DELETED] 

>>10142361
>but anon, people never return to /cgl after taking breaks!
ok, hwc.

>> No.10142371

>>10142329
It isn’t. File a complaint.

>> No.10142372

>>10142362
nayrt, but when I was a working teenager I had more disposable income than I do now. I worked but I still lived with my parents and I didn't have rent or real bills to pay at the time, unlike now.

>> No.10142373 [DELETED] 

>>10142370
>accusing randos who act and type nothing like her of being her out of your need to cling onto some shitposter that probably was just bullshitting everything years later
Imagine being stuck in 2016 and unable to move on.

>> No.10142374

>>10141819
I think that nun lolita is highly disrespectful to Catholics, as well as really costume-y. I usually find religious prints to be kind of disrespectful in general if you aren't part of that religion. The only religious iconography in my wardrobe (unless there's a small cross somewhere on a print that I didn't notice) is a cross brooch, and the only reason I have that is it was included in a goodie bag I got at a tea party.

>> No.10142375 [DELETED] 

>>10142373
>imagine trolling the with the same old 'kys fattie' comments that hwc used to use
You could take your own advice

>> No.10142376

>>10142358
>the only person who could possibly have a supportive bf who finds them beautiful is hwc

Anon that’s sad. I really hope your relationship improves to something normal and happy like the rest of ours

>> No.10142377 [DELETED] 

>>10142375
Where do you think I said that? Because I didn’t. Not every post you reply to is the same person.

>> No.10142378

>>10141842
I notice most of the people who think they're "edgy" or "hardcore" are "punks" often ironically end up being more capitalist than your average Joe. It's nothing new, though. It's always been that way. If you want to preach anti-capitalism, you have to commit to it as much as feasible. I get that we live in a capitalist society and you're going to contribute to it somewhat to survive, but your average punk could do a LOT better.

>> No.10142379

If you've worn the dress even once, it's "Like New" at best, NOT "New Without Tags." And even if it doesn't have obvious stains or tears, just pilling or that worn feeling of the fabric as it's washed and ages means it's NOT "Like New" anymore, it's just "Good Condition" and goes down from there. Stop deluding yourselves Lacemarket sellers, I've just stopped trusting the condition categories because ya'll abuse the definitions so much and it makes me so much less likely to buy from any of you now

>> No.10142380

>>10142375
Wow you must think hwc runs all of 4chan then, if that’s the low bar youre setting to spot her

>> No.10142381

>>10142375
That’s one of the most basic trolls here. It’s not original or unique to HWC. Never was. It existed before her.

>> No.10142382

>>10142374
Are you Catholic?

>> No.10142384

>>10141875
This anon would probably give up their pets or become a housewife/mom even if she didn't want to for a guy.
Talk about whoring yourself out...molding yourself to be exactly what a boyfriend wants you to be is pretty whorish.

>> No.10142388

>>10142384
oh i didn't realize you knew her personally. tell me more

>> No.10142390

>>10142374
Lolita and goths being "disrespectful" to catholics is fine and all, but i wish brand could also release designs that are "disrespectful" to islam

>> No.10142393

>>10142390
Islam doesn't fit with european clothing. Same reason they're not releasing shit with Hinduism and Buddhism.

>> No.10142401

>>10142390
don't go full retard just to make a point. Japanese people don't even include much Shinto in lolita despite believing in it themselves. Christianity is much more popular because of its prominence in the regions where lolita takes most of its inspiration from. And slapping crosses on things isn't "disrespectful" to Christianity at all so I don't get why it's being seen that way. The only thing Islamic people find disrespectful is the depiction of their prophet, but that's not in their art anyway. The only reason you'd show that is if you were purposefully trying to be a disrespectful and inaccurate douche. The moon/star, floral designs, and geometric designs are all very popular Islamic art motifs so if they wanted to make an accurate portrayal of Islamic art, that would be the way to go.

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>>10142401
see pic for an example of the calligraphy/floral/geometric designs which are popular. I don't see why anyone would include it on lolita clothing unless they were doing some extremely historical Spanish inspired thing, but that's several centuries before the time periods that lolita is inspired from

>> No.10142416

>>10142362
But people who work full-time, professional jobs also make far more money than a 16-year-old working part time at McDonald's.

>> No.10142419

>>10142416
hasn't it always been more popular for 25+ aged women in Japan to wear lolita?

>> No.10142421

>>10142382
No, that's why that tiny cross brooch that I got for free is the only remotely Christian thing in my wardrobe.

>> No.10142436

>>10142372
Sounds like you need a better job, friend.

>> No.10142461

>>10142325
Have a lot of fun. The weird personalities can make it enjoyable.

>> No.10142463

>>10142461
>sissies
>a lot of fun
Do you usually socialize with men who get off on wearing frilly dresses?

>> No.10142467

>>10142374
Ill enjoy my valak themed coord with metas mto prayer sister set this halloween even more with this. Thanks.

>> No.10142470

>>10142467
Better be careful not to cut yourself on that edge while you're getting dressed.

>> No.10142471

>>10142463
Nayrt, but honestly if your comm is that shitty you can either ignore them or go to one of their meets with 0 expectations and try to have fun without thinking about the cringe.
Honestly if I were you I'd probably go slightly drunk and try to make the best of it, but I'd fully understand if you aren't degenerate enough to do that.

>> No.10142475

>>10142470
If its a coord for Halloween its hardly that edgy, anon.
Declutch your rosary and let people have fun.

>> No.10142476

>>10142374
whats it like being this sensitive? i think molesting children and letting the priests get away with it is far more of a disgrace to catholicism than a nun themed dress ever possibly could be. this isnt even an unpopular opinion this is just feeling offended for people on their behalf about a non-issue because you have nothing else to be offended about.

>> No.10142477

>>10142416
That’s literally the point I was making

>> No.10142482

>>10142348
No, they are just things nobody gives a shit about unless you're a crosdboarder. If you came to cgl because you're into lolita fashion, you're not going to bitch about fat sjw trannys in literally every thread.

>> No.10142486

>>10142475
Deriving enjoyment (or pretending to) out of ruffling people's tailfeathers is tacky faux-edginess no matter what time of the year. Also I already said I'm not Catholic or even Christian but okay.

>> No.10142487

>>10142378
Why are people only allowed to be into anti-capitalist and anti-materialism if they commit to it as much as feasible? People usually aren't extremely committed to one way of living, they have to be flexible.

>> No.10142488

>>10142379
This is a fact, not an opinion

>> No.10142489

>>10142486
>getting offended on behalf of other people, when there's literally nothing offensive about wearing a cross

>> No.10142490

>>10142476
I'm sure people would be in a far bigger uproar about hijabs or Sikh turbans but because Catholicism isn't a minority religion in the West nobody cares.
I think the biggest disgrace to Islam is how there's an entire chunk of the world where it's acceptable to commit atrocities like stoning women for having sex out of marriage or throwing gay people off of buildings with the defense of their religion yet nobody talks about that.

>> No.10142491

>>10142490
anon you must either be retarded or never turn on the news if you think nobody talks about that

>> No.10142496

>>10142477
No, the point I'm making is that while a 16-year-old working some part time retail or restaurant gig can spend most/all of their paycheck on luxuries or frivolities, and adults have to set aside parts of their paycheck for necessities like groceries and rent/mortgage, they generally make more money than the teen in the first place, so depending on the job and the expenses, they're often going to have the same amount of spending money as the teen.

>> No.10142499

>>10142490
People talk about it literally all the time on national TV and Muslims aren't even our biggest minority

>> No.10142501

>>10142487
Because they're a massive hypocrite otherwise?
I said as much as FEASIBLE for a reason. Some people have circumstances that don't allow them to commit to that kind of lifestyle as much as they'd like, but there are people who just call themselves anti-capitalist while spending every spare dime they have on luxuries (not necessities) that just feed into the capitalist machine they claim to be against.

>> No.10142503

>>10142490
>far bigger uproar about hijabs or Sikh turbans but because Catholicism isn't a minority religion in the West nobody cares
or because hijabs and sikh turbans have nothing to do with lolita. are you having a stroke or do you actually think lolita is inspired by middle eastern/indian clothing?

>> No.10142504

>>10142499
They talk about it the same way they talk about an earthquake in a third world country. "Isn't this awful? That's just how things are over there, tho, we're not going to suggest reformation of Islam because that's being Islamophobic and if you're Islamophobic you might as well be a Nazi!"
An organizer of the women's march openly supports Sharia Law (you know, the law that these countries operate under) and nobody bats an eyelash.

>> No.10142505

>>10142486
Considering the coord was already made before you said that, it was hardly the intent of the original coord.
Youre on 4chan. You say some overly sensitive offended horse shit, people are going to laigh at you.

>> No.10142507

>>10142503
I mean on a larger scale, since wearing crosses because they're "trendy" isn't a phenomenon confined strictly to lolita. Go to any nightclub on Halloween weekend and you'll see at least one girl in a "sexy nun" costume, but no "sexy ISIS bride" costume.

>> No.10142509

>>10142496
Edit: I'm a fucking idiot that misread the original post, disregard.

>> No.10142510

>>10142504
what the fuck are you talking about? a bunch of people ripped her apart for it and she was humiliated on national news. a major issue for the US's foreign policy was reform in Iraq after the war. Are you seriously this stupid? And what does *any* of that even have to do with somehow shoehorning offending muslims into lolita fashion now?

>> No.10142511

>>10142507
probably because nuns aren't victims of abduction and rape like ISIS brides. I don't even know why you would pick those two as remotely comparable, or how wearing a cross on a lolita outfit is comparable to a halloween slut.

>> No.10142514

>>10142507
hey anon since you want to get offended on behalf of other people, can you explain what's offensive about wearing a cross on a dress that pays homage to fashion from Christian majority countries?

>> No.10142516

>>10142504
You seriously need to watch more mainstream news, it sounds like you got all your info from right-wing clickbait facebook ads.

>> No.10142518

>>10142516
I can't imagine how right wing their news must be if they don't even watch FOX.

>> No.10142524

>>10142490
what the fuck are you on about.
I only used the example of yuckpriests because you're saying something as retarded as a dress or theme is offensive to a religion that has a lot more problems going for it than some gothic lolitas wearing clothes that look like a nun's habit. the more you keep trying to prove your weird ass point, the more convoluted it becomes.

>> No.10142527 [DELETED] 

>>10142518
Facebook "news" ads are on another level

>> No.10142529

>>10142518
Facebook "news" ads are on another level

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>>10142524
"the japanese are disrespecting Catholicism because women like wearing dresses with tasteful crosses and gothic nuns"

meanwhile, in the US, pic related

>> No.10142635

>>10142259
>put a napkin on your lap, keep your elbows off the table, and eat slowly
God you sound southern. I never get anything on my dresses and my elbow has always gone on to a table.

>> No.10142647

>>10142348
>ReAl loLiTa
>walnut
>moralfagging
You sure do sound like you post on other boards..

>> No.10142650

>>10142531
I'd like to point out that crosses and nun outfits are two different beasts. Plenty of Christian people buy jewelry, t-shirts, etc. with crosses. But they don't dress up as nuns. That's kind of like wearing a Native American ritual headdress, I'd imagine - in poor taste.

If I wore an outfit with a cross I'd feel like I'm simply lying about my religion. But if I wore a nun outfit, I'd feel like I'm disrespecting a religion.

And you don't even have to go as far as this movie for what can offend Christians. My religious stepdad didn't even want me reading Harry Potter. Thankfully, my mom is sane.

>> No.10142651

>>10142531
I don't think shitty jump scare movies are a good representation of American culture. And I say that as a horror fan.

>> No.10142656

Coords with barely any accessories (no necklaces, bracelets, rings, etc) are a lot cuter than those with a ton. Just a headpiece is good enough, the rest just looks gaudy.

>> No.10142659 [DELETED] 

Black girls don’t look good in lolita in general but especially not in sweet.

>> No.10142660

>>10142651
No one is saying it’s representative of “American culture”. Just that our country is majority Christian and they don’t even give a shit about a movie featuring an evil horrific nun.

>> No.10142662 [DELETED] 

>>10142659
Well that’s certainly unpopular. I personally think no one looks good in sweet, especially not with those ugly fake ass candy colored pigtail wigs.

>> No.10142664

>>10142656
Sort of agreed. I do prefer minimal accessorizing to piling shit on but there's a middle ground imo and sometimes a necklace, choker, or some accessory on the wrists makes coords look more complete.

>> No.10142667 [DELETED] 

>>10142662
You say that like that’s the only kind of wig that’s worn with sweet, stop acting like such an uppity porch monkey.

>> No.10142671 [DELETED] 

>>10142667
I didn’t realize hating sweet as a personal preference turned me into a lazy black person but sure anon, let’s throw out insults that make no sense.

>> No.10142672

>>10142656
Agreed. Less is more in most cases.

>> No.10142675 [DELETED] 

>>10142671
It’s your breeding that makes you a lazy nigger

>> No.10142676 [DELETED] 

>>10142671
>falling for obvious crossboarder bait

>> No.10142677
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I like floordinates and often prefer them to worn photos. Not sure how unpopular this actually is but they always seem to get a lot of complainers on the CoF threads and there are so few of them in CoF itself

>> No.10142679

>>10142660
I'm not concerned about offending the college boy who would watch this drivel. I'm concerned about offending the zealous granny who will start saying aloud that I need to repent and that people like me are ruining the country, and she is not out there enjoying The Nun on opening night. I'm not so much concerned about Christians' feelings as the repercussions. There's no way I'd wear a nun-themed coord in Texas.

>> No.10142680

>>10142672
There’s definitely times when too little makes it look like you put no effort into the coord.

>> No.10142682

>>10142679
Oh yeah, I mean if you’re afraid that’s a different story. That anon wasn’t scared for their own safety, they were trying to be all SJW about not hurting Christian feelings with nothing more than a print with crosses.

>> No.10142686

>>10142682
Yeah, the Christian people whom I truly wouldn't want to offend are the same ones who are too kind to get offended by such things as pretty dresses. The rest are ones I just want to avoid negative attention from.

>> No.10142704

Almost everything being sperged about in this UO thread made Confessions this week (fatty-hate, ableism, can't afford brand, etc). As soon as someone hates on lemon-themed prints and hime bangs, it'll be perfect.

>> No.10142716

>>10142704
Confessions?

>> No.10142718

>>10142677
Hella unpopular opinion, I'd say. But an interesting one.

>> No.10142725

>>10142362
I never said that it was a lot of money, but when you're a teenager working part time making 200 every two weeks, you can easily save up and start building a decent wardrobe at 15.

>> No.10142726 [DELETED] 

>>10142716
>crossboarder detected

>> No.10142733

>>10142704
I also don't know what confessions is.Is that the thing on amino? Or do you mean secrets?

>> No.10142738

>>10142345
I started working at 15 and had 15 AP dresses by the time I was 16, I bought them all with my own money, people make it out like every young lolita just leeches off of their parents, it kinda pisses me off

>> No.10142745

>>10142436
I'd love one, are you hiring?

>> No.10142746

>>10142635
>a Yankee
bless your heart, that certainly explains your lack of manners

>> No.10142747 [DELETED] 

>>10142660
>>10142667
>that obvious bait

>> No.10142750

>>10142738
I get that but dude, unpopular opinion af haha.

Good for you for being 15 and knowing exactly what you wanted to spend your money on; but be realistic. Rarely will a 15-17 year old that works will also be paying for all their living expenses - car, rent, utilities, phone, etc. My opinion isn't worth anything, but as a 25 year old lolita I can say with certainty that most of the younger crowd has little to no financial responsibility; so I don't understand why they tend to be the ones most into flexing about the dozens of items that they own. To me it's insincere.

Leads me to another of my unpopular opinions. If you have more than 50 pieces and you're not a lifestyler or haven't even worn half of your collection (that's what it is, not a wardrobe), you're only slightly better than those lolita at heart people. Just to be able to say you have it. I knew a girl that had a massive collection of old AP and Baby, and never once did I see her wear it in the 3 years we were friends. I used to refer to her as the person who got me interested in Lolita, but I would never categorize her as one.

>> No.10142755

>>10142746
I love how obviously southern you are. Makes me wonder if Paradiso is going to be full of people like the yankee lmao.

Idk why being southern and proper is a bad thing? or likened to being elderly? I mean, lolita is all about maintaining some type of proper-ness isn't it? like being sticklers for rules about silhouettes, wearing blouses, gloves, looking pristine, etc? I would think that southern mannerisms fit right into that.

i'm not trashing the punk or edgy people, but i think when they go out and do ironic shoots next to garbage or lay on the ground, idk. i know lolita means something different do them but i can't help but feel sorry for the nice dresses and accessories that get ruined.

>> No.10142758

>>10142750
A lot of really young people want e-fame. I think that's a big part of it. When I was a teen I desperately wanted to be famous on the internet. Now that i'm older and a bit wiser, I don't want to be e-famous at all. So that might be part of the flexing thing? Also teens who are newer to the fashion might be way more excited to show off than an older person who doesn't really have a group to show off to. Just a theory, based on my experience.
I agree with your second opinion. People who hoard dresses are just collectors. not really lolitas.

>> No.10142762

>>10142746
nayrt, but what's rude about it? besides the fact that tradition for certain cultures says it is

>> No.10142766

>>10142635
You don't keep your elbows off the table to prevent getting stuff on your dresses, you keep them off the table because it's trashy to rest them there while eating in front of company or at an event.

>> No.10142767

>>10142745
Yes, actually. How's your C++14?

>> No.10142781

>>10142131
This. It's nice to have a name for the style. And in the west at least, it's definitely perceived as a separate thing from lolita here.
>>10142284
You seem like you never get out of your echo chamber. It's not just /pol/acks who think fat people or men in dresses look gross. And it's pretty insulting to categorize Jewish and black (neither of which you can choose to be) alongside fat and trans people. The reason people don't talk about it in person is because it's unnecessarily negative and can make you look bad in front of people you don't know very well.
>>10142677
Me too anon.

>> No.10142784

>>10142677

I like floordinates too, they’re nice for aesthetics, but I don’t get people like you. Shouldn’t clothes be worn?

>> No.10142858

>>10142784
of course! but when it comes to seeing an outfit, I love to see it staged in a floordinate just as much as on a person, and often moreso because it seems like there's less "clutter" in the image if that makes sense. like in an outfit shot (a regular one, not a photoshoot one) there's the person's posing and expression, photo quality, background, etc. as well as the fit of the clothing, that can compete with or even disrupt the coord's presentation. in a floordinate there's none of that. it's easy to control the lighting and staging and backdrop.

that said, if floordinates got more popular, there'd probably start to be just as many poorly staged/arranged/photographed floordinates as there are worn coord shots

but yeah bottom line is clothes should of course be worn, i was talking more about a coordinate's presentation on the internet.

>> No.10142872

>>10142766

Well, that, and depending on your height resting your elbows on your table automatically causes a slouch because most tables are a bit lower. Also sometimes it causes awkward angles if you try to maintain your elbow on your table while trying to put the spoon to your mouth, which is probably what anon means when she says it's easier to keep your clothes clean if you don't indulge this kind of slouchy table-elbow stuff.

(I'm not grandma anon, in fact I'm trying to break out of elbows on the table habit as it's getting annoying to me lately, and I'm speaking of my own bad habit)

>> No.10142900

>>10142660
That's because times have changed. You don't know anything about horror movies and it shows.
Silent Night Deadly Night was boycotted in the 80s because of a scary Santa claus character. America is different now and shit like paranormal activity is mainstream as fuck.

>> No.10142902

>>10142677
Those posters in the CoF threads are definitely just trolling.

>> No.10142904

>>10142755
>Idk why being southern and proper is a bad thing? or likened to being elderly?
For me personally, its because I moved away from the south where people are still into these ancient traditions like made up table manners and being baptists. That anon reminded me of my grandma from Tennessee. Who also had an eating disorder.

>> No.10142905

>>10142750
I don't have 50 pieces but I do have 30 which enough to be daily but I don't wear it to work. I wear it every weekend however. I just like having variety in my wardrobe and yes, its still my wardrobe. I have a wardrobe full of other styles too..

>> No.10142906

>>10142872
>Also sometimes it causes awkward angles if you try to maintain your elbow on your table while trying to put the spoon to your mouth
The fuck are you on about. It doesn't.

>> No.10142910

Halter straps are great for bigger breasted lolitas. I alter most jsks to halter top bodices (which is too easy) so the dresses look right. Otherwise it looks awkward and way too high.

>> No.10142914

>>10142746
Stop making southerners look bad. Only Confederate flag waving trash uses the term "Yankee" at other Americans. You throw all your etiquette out the window with that.

>> No.10142916

>>10142781
Otome is a separate thing from lolita in Japan too, you just do not want it to look like that for some reason so you ignore reality. You just want to wear ETC dresses with a blouse, petticoat and matching colours but still act like a special snowflake who's different from lolitas.

>> No.10142917

>>10142916
I’m not trying to be a special snowflake, and I just like having a term to search for coordinate inspo. Japan doesn’t use a lot of terms we use. Fairy kei doesn’t really exist in japan, did anyone use the term cult party kei either? Either otome is a style in japan, or it isn’t, but no one can give a straight answer regusrding that.

>> No.10142918

>>10142917
People have given you a straight answer but you choose to ignore it

>> No.10142919

>>10142917
>no one can give a straight answer regusrding that.
>>10141388

>> No.10142920

>>10142919
Thanks now I need to buy the pillow book

>> No.10142924

>>10142905
there's a pretty significant difference between 50 pieces and 30 pieces. wearing every weekend means you're wearing your clothes. you are not the kind of person i was referring to.

i do have friends in the fashion that impulse buy constantly and end up with too large of a wardrobe - enough that their dresses basically sit in a closet because they will never get worn (i remember one of my friends asking if she should sell a nwt dress because it sat in her closet for over two years. i told her yeah, unless you truly love it and want to keep.) I try really hard not to be judgmental about other people's spending habits, but i ended up cutting off friends who would pressure me into buying shit just because they wanted to have someone who would enable them. and Lolita fashion is unfortunately great at exacerbating shopping addiction.

i don't mean you have to be a lifestyler, but atleast in my wardrobe, my goal is to wear each piece at least once every other month or 3. I have 10 main pieces, so i feel like that's achievable.

>> No.10142925

>>10142904
that's fair but please accept reality, table manners were and continue to be a thing. i hope you also complain about dress codes at events at restaurants, getting multiple types of silverware when you go eat, etc. In some cases, table manners are useful and prevent you ruining your clothes. Even tho i'm from the south, i don't really care if someone wants to put their elbows on the table or talk with their mouth full. but that's just me.

>> No.10142927

>>10142677
They've literally only been complained about in the past 3 threads. And your opinion is the popular one.

>> No.10142928

>>10142858
I think you have a point there about the presentation, but in the end worn coord photos will always be more popular because there's a big difference between a flat lay and seeing said coord on an actual body

i do like floordinates though! i get kind of tired of seeing things coorded badly and seeing them posted in this manner gives the owner an opportunity to experiment with a coord without being named and shamed (usually)

>> No.10142939

I like how naming a print re-focused the point to "how could a teenager afford that print" instead of getting the point, which is that that's a very dramatic sweet print made by a company who's older dresses are rather short.

>>10142362
As you get older, you might want to adjust the color balance of your coordinating accessories, change out the shoes and make sure your make-up compliments the current appearance of your face and not how you remember yourself 10+ years ago.

Example: You might want to swap out pastel platform tea parties to pastel kitten heels / more tradtionally-shaped (not in color) high heels. Your body shape might be starting to look for "womanly" by 30, so maybe you want to cover your knees. Upper arms can also start to get a bit flabby; so maybe change out your sleeve length. Look at your wigs; are you still feeling the big hair? Or maybe it's time to focus more on how your wig compliments your face and not how much it makes your coord "pop".

>> No.10142946

>>10142329
I’m lucky in that this has only happened to me once :/ my worst issue was buying used shoes which I stopped doing after my experiences. The sizing was either off or the shit was way more damaged than listed. One pair I got was labeled as barely used and it fell apart after one use lmao

>> No.10142948

>>10142306
This. Why does every 15-22 year old insta thot or e-girl look like they’re 35?

>> No.10142951

>>10142948
Too much make up, tanning, bad diet.

>> No.10142968

Not sure how unpopular these are but:

- No bangs is just as good as with bangs.
- Everyone is welcome in the community, no matter their gender, sexuality, fetishes, age, body shape etc (as long as they really love lolita as a fashion and don't mix it with other stuff ofc).
- You don't need make up with lolita.
- Posting someone in the ita thread is an asshole move.
- Usually brand is better than taobao.
- People who post their coords on their social media are not necessarily attention seekers.
- You can post a coord even if it isn't perfect.
- A lot of lolitas are cringy for one reason or another.
- Sneakers *can* look good with lolita.
- Same for jeans jackets.
- There's too much hate in the online community.
- Simple lolita coords are pretty.
- lacemarket is overpriced as hell and not a good place to buy from.
- If you wear short sleeves please don't wear heavy tights, it just looks bad.
- Cotton > polyester most of the time.

>> No.10142971

>>10142939
Different anon, but your advice sounds better for a 40 year old than a 30 year old. Most 30 year olds I know aren't nearly that decrepit.

I'd say a 30 year old could pull it off by using natural hair instead of a pastel wig, fewer/simpler accessories instead of piled on plastic bangles, wearing a simpler hair accessory instead of a giant head eating bow, etc. Maybe avoid too much glitter, pastels, shimmer, etc in your makeup as well. Basically just style it more simple sweet instead of ott and it's fine for any normal 30 year old.

>> No.10142980

>>10142968
>brand is better than taobao
If this is an unpopular opinion, the fashion is at an all time low.

>> No.10142991

>>10142968
I agree with just about everything except the makeup.

>> No.10142994

>>10142914
Nayrt, but the vast majority of people use Yankee light-heartedly. It's not that deep.

>> No.10143000

>>10142968
>fetishes

I'm sorry but no, Sissies can fuck off. Littles are on thin ice but if they keep it to the bedroom that's fine

>> No.10143006

>>10142656
Agreed. I would even go so far as to say that a lot of coords are fine without a headpiece if you're going for a more casual look (for example for work or family outings, I've noticed the headpiece is often the part that makes people think it's a costume or weird princess dress up moreso than any particular dress) and that a lack of headpiece doesn't preclude an outfit from being lolita. Some coords look better without headpieces.

>> No.10143007

Whoever linked otome to Olive was reaching. While olive was a girly “maiden” fashion it’s just as relevant to otome as it is to lolita. It might have influenced the backbones of girly retro fashion but Otome didn’t evolve from it.
Japanese people call what we refer to as Otome, Lolita. Why is that such a big deal?

>> No.10143011

>>10142755
nayrt but when i do edgy gross stuff in my lolita, i don't ruin it. all my brand is kept neat and i properly clean all of it well before i wear it next (and especially if i'm selling) these pieces mean so much to me and i would never risk putting them in danger for the sake of an ironic photo shoot and i'm sure most of the other edgy lolitas would probably agree and say they do the same.

>> No.10143021

>>10143007
Olive magazine literally wrote articles about otome, sorry you can't read Japanese

>> No.10143025

>>10143007
I think it just feels weird to have lolita be something different in America compared to what it is in Japan. If it's called lolita in Japan, it's lolita in the rest of the world too. I'm not going to stop wearing ETC dresses just because some people on cgl decided it's not lolita, and I don't wear otome kei because I don't like vintage and mis-matching colours and patterns.

>> No.10143042

>>10143021
Post these issues of Olive that explicitly CALL the fashion Otome then? I can read Japanese and just bc the word “otome” (literally maiden) is used doesn’t mean “Tbis is called otome” when it’s literally called Olive. It’s the equivalent of calling stuff that features in Larme “Fetish Phermone” because they had a spread named that once.

>> No.10143047

>>10143025
Unpopular opinion I think it’s perfectly reasonable for lolita to be different in the west as opposed to japan. The whole counter-culture aspect gets removed when you take it out of, yknow, Japanese culture.

Idgaf about the otome shit anon is going on about tho

>> No.10143049

>>10143047
I agree though, that was the point of my post. It’s not called Otome in Japan but that’s fine. We call it that and that’s fine.
Just don’t expect Japanese people to know what you mean. They only use the english tags to get more likes.
Try googling 乙女ファッション or 乙女系 and you’ll see what I mean. The only mildly related one is the first one, which only displays “maiden” fashion and the Otome no Sewing Book (literally Sewing Book for Maidens)
乙女心 means a maidens heart, which is something many lolitas have. A girly, frilly, cute heart.

>> No.10143050

>>10143049
Also if Olive magazine evolved into anything it was Zipper magazine, which actually did segments on throwback Olive style.

>> No.10143053

>>10142900
that's literally what I said. America is different and doesn't care about a scary nun. no one cares about your irrelevant autism-tier movie knowledge

>> No.10143055

>>10142951
its because fat and contour. no one tans anymore

>> No.10143068

>>10142939
I think any woman wearing kitten heels and high heels with sweet like sugary carnival would just look worse. This also has entirely to do with how you look and age. Misako looks fine in her 30s in Sweet.

>> No.10143081

I think a lot of the pearl-clutching /cgl/ does about stuff like lack of poof, blouseless coords, alternate shoe choices, plain tights, casual coords, "a la mode" style stuff, etc. comes from RPers who don't actually wear lolita regularly.

They treat lolita like it's a costume, like there's a checklist you're supposed to hit to be considered properly "lolita", rather than as a fashion where the outfit is judged on whether or not it looks good.

>> No.10143082

>>10143011
yep, same.

>> No.10143086

>>10142968
I agree with almost all of this. I think most of this wouldn't be unpopular if you asked a real lolita to their face. Since most of this board is rpers, lolitas at heart, and crossboarders, a lot of what ends up in these threads as far as hate (towards anyone or any part of a coord) can be dismissed as normie asshattery. I would say about the makeup that you should probably sticker yourself in pics if you're not going to wear it when you take full coord shots--you'll just save yourself a lot of trouble. There's also a lot of headpieces out there that look awful or strange, in my op, if one doesn't have bangs. And I personally can be very cringey even when not wearing the fashion--if anything, I think wearing it makes me less cringey.

>> No.10143087

>>10143081
Yeah, while I understood the necessity of "rules", especially when the fashion was super new in the west, and to prevent more super ita noob dumpster fires from saying they are lolitas in their f21/hot topic stuff, the western communities took the rules as the ONLY way, and anything diverging from the "rules" at all is ita or wrong. I honestly just wear what I want with my lolita. If it looks bad, I make changes next time, if it's good, I usually try to improve upon it. I couldn't care less if people don't like my clothes though, I dress for myself and not likes and asspats.

>> No.10143088

>>10143081
it's a weird balance because of trying to explain what lolita is to itas who will throw any shitty cheap lacemonster on and call it "lolita"

>> No.10143090

>>10143047
My issue is only when people post lolita coords in the otome kei thread and then give "concrit" that it's too matchy-matchy or something.

>> No.10143104

>>10143068
Misako looks great in Sweet, but have you considered that this is probably because as time has progressed she has adjusted her sense of style to stay in line with how she is aging? That was my original point; people look bad if their style never evolves to match / keep up with any physical changes that happen to them. Some of the "worse" looking Lolitas to me out there are the ones who cultivated a look for themselves 5-10 years ago and then since haven't changed anything to make sure it looks good on their current body/face.

>> No.10143108

>>10143104
you act like her skin pruned as soon as she hit 30. She could still wear sweet like 20 years olds if she wants to

>> No.10143111

>>10143108
. . .
I never said there's anything wrong with any part of her body. My whole point is that Misako is probably still considered an icon because she is sensitive to the concept of making sublet adjusts to her style over time in whatever way matches best with her current self. My entirely "unpopular opinion" was that there are many Lolitas who don't seem to have this awareness, or who might be in denial, but either way look bad as a result of not "keeping up" with themselves as the years go by.

>> No.10143117
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>>10143104
Well that’s not really fair, Misako never had OTT wigs or pastel vomit in her daily style even when she was younger. Her style wasn’t adjusted anymore than lolita trends have adjusted, most people in lolita don’t go deco or wear colorful wigs anymore. High heels are becoming more trendy than flat tea parties. That’s just the trend.

There are still older lolitas who look great, like Spiro, Shelby Cloud, there’s probably others out there who aren’t open about their ages who you’d never guess would be in their 30s because they don’t fit your idea of what a 30 year old looks like.

And it also shouldn’t matter what we think. It’s stupid to nitpick among ourselves if we think X or Y are too old to wear pigtails past 30 when most normies think we’re stupid for wearing them past the age of 10 in the first place.

>> No.10143123

>>10143117
Wow... Shit keeps flying over your head. So, some pointers; the best way to debate someone on their opinon is to not the project a laundry list of things onto them. Never said there were specific items you CAN'T vs. CAN wear depending on age; specifcally I stated more then once that as your body changes, SOME items (depending completely on how you look in the mirror right now) will go from flattering to unflattering. What things do or do not flatter you at certain ages is highly variable depending on the individual.
Next, you are implying I had ever stated Misako had a specific look, made of specific pieces; which is untrue. Your points have no legs because you are assuming what was said instead of reading what was said. Lastly there was never an implied notion that Lolitas in their 30s are a negative, so there's no reason to depend someone being 30 or older. Please go back to school and learn to read.

>> No.10143151

>>10143123
You suggested that Misako has changed her style as she aged, implying that she followed some of the “guidelines” you pointed out here >>10142939. I said that’s not fair because Misako’s style has been pretty consistent throughout her modeling career. I’m not only speaking to you but on the general topic of lolitas dressing a certain way after 30.

>> No.10143155

When I'm 50 I'll follow no fucking "guidelines" on how to dress and whoever disagrees will have my burnt cakes shoved up their ass

>> No.10143164

>>10143123
then, pray tell, what things are you saying misako has changed? and what things are "unflattering" past a certain age which aren't already "unflattering" at age 20 to most normies?

>> No.10143169

>>10143155
Okay so don't call it lolita fashion when you do that.
No one is stopping you from doing that now, just don't look at the comments people post about you here.

>> No.10143170

>>10143169
Is there an age limit to lolita fashion that’s hardwired in the rules or something?

>> No.10143171

Novala Takemoto is 51 but I guess it’s fine for a man in his 50s to write about lolita but god forbid a woman over the age of 25 wear the fashion

>> No.10143177

I think the extent of color marching in lolita is costumey and a little uncanny valley. If I have a bag or shoes that match a dress perfectly I’ll always use a neutral or another color instead because it’s easier on the eyes.

I also agree with the anon above that few or no accessories looks better than piling them on. Quality over quantity.

>> No.10143178

>>10143170
short answer: no
long answer: well, no

>> No.10143196

>>10142968
>People who post their coords on their social media are not necessarily attention seekers.

I mean...they fundamentally are? It's not a bad thing to share something you're proud of and want people to respond to it, or to share something you're unsure of and want people to give concrit about it. Humans like giving and receiving attention. The only time it's bad is when it's cringe-inducing

>> No.10143200

>>10143171
Good point... Mana is 47 or 48 and nobody is complaining about him either.

>> No.10143203

>>10142925
>table manners were and continue to be a thing.
Only in fancy restaurants that attract rich snobby people.
You reek of no fun allowed.

I don't talk with my mouthful but that's because theres good reason for it. Keeping your elbows off the table is just made up phoney tradition.

Penn and teller did an entire episode of Bullshit on why manners are goofy. I'm with them.

>> No.10143204

>>10142994
Yeah lets talk about the real problem with the south. Its filled with backwood rednecks who are usually racist, hate gays and trans and anyone out of the ordinary for that matter, repressed, ott religious.. the list goes on. And don't get me started on modern country music. Fucking yikes.

>> No.10143208

>>10143200
Goths are usually more forgiving about age in my experience

>> No.10143218

>>10143204
>Its filled with backwood rednecks
Nayrt but only the backwoods are filled with backwoods rednecks. Orange County in CA is as bad or worse. And southern Indiana, yikes. Everywhere has terrible people.

>> No.10143222

>>10143204
>hate trannies
Good
>racist
Nah, try going there sometime

>> No.10143227

>>10143203
you talk as if you're not taking part in a fashion that attracts rich snobby people that want to dress in historical-inspired clothing lmao. maybe the culture of manners is outdated, but it's not this huge deal you're making it out to be. if that makes me "not fun", well, there's worse things to be

who cares if they did a episode? why am I not surprised you turn to tv for your logic; maybe you should look to places other than magicians turned comedian/skeptics for your resources.

>> No.10143257

>>10143171
>god forbid a woman over the age of 25 wear the fashion
Anyone who says this unironically is either a normie, a retarded child, or both. Either way it's a sign for you to immediately stop taking anything they say seriously.

>> No.10143259

Maybe I just think this because my wardrobe is IW and Meta so like nicer poly fabrics but I think that people are too careful about washing their lolita and not careful enough about not staining it in the first place. Almost every dress I own goes in the washer after I wear it twice or even once if I get even a tiny bit sweaty. I've never had any of my lolita clothes run color. Also it's really easy to not stain your brand, just look up how to remove stains, carry tide pen, etc. I have been sent so much stained brand and most of the stains vanish in one wash. I don't know how these gross bitches live

>> No.10143274

>>10143257
I don't think everyone who disagrees with me is a normie, but there are a lot of users on here who are loudest about topics that apply to themselves. The ones who whine about fatties are chubby themselves. The ones who are loudest about someone being too old are likely on the cusp of that age themselves, they just like to think they're an exception. "I can make fun of other fatties because unlike them I only wear flattering things".

>> No.10143276

>>10143227
>not this huge deal you're making it out to be.
Replies in a thread like this one are never a big deal. You're the one over reacting.

I mentioned that episode because they did a lot of research and had good points. Plus I grew up in the south, so I have good reason to side with them.

>> No.10143309

>>10142904
Table manners aren’t ancient, I live in Tennessee and I find that people who behave when at the table (and act with manners in mind in general) are very charming

>> No.10143323

>>10143222
>>racist
>Nah, try going there sometime

depends on where you go. most metro areas are fine. go to rural areas and report back, people even plaster racist shit to their vehicles & put signs in their yard in some places

>> No.10143332

>>10142650
Being a nun isn't a culture, it's a job, and it's nothing like a native american headdress, you're really stretching.

Is circus themed lolita disrespectful to carnies?

Is meta's mechanic suit disrespectful to mechanics?

>> No.10143333

>>10143309
Have you ever considered that there are people who don't care about what you think of them? Lolita fashion was and always will be about individualism and dressing how you want to be rather than how society wants you to. It applies to everywhere in the world as it's a niche fashion.
Most table manners were created by people to make themselves feel above other people. It's traditional prejudice, which is exactly the problem the south always has.

>> No.10143337

>>10142872
I dunno about awkward eating, but I agree that it helps you be not as slouchy.

Less of your body over the table = less opportunity for you to bump into something and spill it, also.

>> No.10143340

This thread has gone full tumblr, we've somehow equated table manners to racism.

>> No.10143347

>>10143333
Nayrt but... dressing how you want to has nothing to do with not chewing with your mouth open or not being a slob at a table. And if you think table manners are for upper class people then you've definitely never had a family meal with poor people. I suppose when you go to tea parties, you slouch forward with your elbows on the table and spear cookies on the end of a knife and eat jam with your fingers and wipe them on the tablecloth?

>> No.10143359

>>10143347
You're whining to the wrong person. There's nothing "high class" about fake manners. If anything, its people who want to pretend that they're upper class who think outdated etiquette is a necessity for "high society."

Also, no one said anything about "spearing cookies with knives." They were referring to things like slouching and arms on tables as being pretentious. Have you noticed that etiquette is different depending on where you are? Like before, its "rules" for people to feel superior when they really have nothing to show for it.

>> No.10143364

>>10143347
Basically being Chinese

>> No.10143366

>>10143359
>They were referring to things like slouching and arms on tables as being pretentious
No, you said explicitly that:
>Most table manners were created by people to make themselves feel above other people
Most table manners were created by people to make eating in groups a pleasant experience rather than a bloody free-for-all.

>> No.10143377

>>10143259
It's exactly because your wardrobe is what it is. I am careful and wash only things that need it because I wear older cotton prints and I have experienced several of them from different brands running. Not just red, also blue and black in prints running onto light areas

>> No.10143378

>>10143377
Nayrt, but I also have a lot of old cotton prints and you should probably just wash all of them in some cold water and mild detergent with a ton of color catcher sheets. Get all of the excess dye out so you don't have to worry about it anymore. Just keep rinsing and rinsing and eventually the water will go clear, and once the water is clear you won't get any color bleed. I've done this on a few old black and red Baby prints and they look great and are so much easier to wash now.

>> No.10143379

>>10143333
I'm so tired of people using "I don't care what you think" as a justification for everything. You eat like a slob, got it. Just keep it together around other people who actually wear expensive clothes and dont want to spit all over the place.
And elbows on the table makes you look sloppy and makes it easier to drop things and have it splatter. Come on.

>> No.10143393

>>10143379
>And elbows on the table makes you look sloppy and makes it easier to drop things and have it splatter.
Lmfao what the fuck are you talking about. I’m not even the elbow defender anon but I’ve never seen anyone more likely to “splatter their food” because their elbows were on the table. The hell autists are you hanging out with.

>> No.10143398

>>10143323
What are some signs and stuff you’ve seen?

>> No.10143405

My unpopular opinion is that I think comments like >>10143393 are offensive to people with autism and I might leave cgl forever now good bye

>> No.10143409

>>10143405
Maybe if you turned down the autism you wouldn’t get so offended?

>> No.10143414

>>10143405
I think most people would agree with you if they thought about it. But on boards like these, despite the anonymity, there's a pressure to seem cool and speak whatever way makes you seem the most jaded and familiar with 4chan. If you don't say shit like that, everyone just says "newfag", "lurk moar", etc. But I genuinely doubt most gulls actually believe this shit about mentally disabled people.

(although the stuff I say about fat people is all true)

>> No.10143421

>>10143405
The way autism is used on 4chan is so far removed from actual autism that I don't get how an actual autist could get offended by it.

>> No.10143423

>>10143421
By being autistic about it

>> No.10143442

>>10143421
I’m only annoyed when edgelords spend so much time here that they start saying that shit in real life.

>> No.10143504

>>10143398
different anon, but when i was in little rock arkansas i saw a fuck ton of weird bumper stickers and signs, like "keep america christian", confederate flags, NRA flags. I was told Little Rock was fairly liberal as well, I dont know how true that is, but the american south is a whole different world. You feel heavier when you get there, I loved alot of that trip, the food, the manners (ahem other rude anons) and the scenery. But that heavy feeling never went away, I didnt see a single poc + non poc walking or talking or kissing eachother, it seemed like there was white people everywhere? it was really strange for someone from california.

To any southern anons I know my experience was limited to a short time in a wealthy area in Arkansas and do not consider my experience there to be an accurate portrayal of the whole south or even little rock so dont crucify me please.

>> No.10143507

>>10143504
No you're right, the south is racist af.

Whats wrong is how anons have equated southern racism to table manners. Grandma-anon never said anything about the south, someone just said they sounded southern and then this thread went off the rails.
Jesus fucking Christ, just stand up straight and behave yourself at tea parties or you look like a fucking slob, regardless of how cute your co-ord is.

>> No.10143510

>>10141836
Thank you for this anon. You have made me feel better about my growing collection of red basics and accessories. I just cant stay away and it goes with almost all my main pieces.

>> No.10143511

>>10142635
>>10142746
>>10142755
>>10142904
>>10142914
>>10142994
>>10143204
>>10143218
>>10143222
>>10143323
>>10143504
>>10143507
God burgers are W I L D

>> No.10143527

>>10143442
I've heard people say it irl who I don't think go here at all, like my mom. People start saying it at other places on the internet and then it "leaks" to real life. I think a few years from now, autistic will be considered a slur just like retarded.

>> No.10143564

>>10143309
>Table manners aren’t ancient, I live in Tennessee
My grandmother is posting on cgl apparently.

>> No.10143565

>>10143340
East coaster spotted.

>> No.10143568

>>10143366
>Most table manners were created by people to make eating in groups a pleasant experience rather than a bloody free-for-all.
We don't live in the dark ages anymore. You should let it go.

>> No.10143576
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10143576

My unpopular opinion. This dress has my favourite cut out of all dresses ever...


...but the print sucks.

I wish AP would make more dresses with this cut but alas they like to make empire waist stuff now.

>> No.10143579

>>10143576
I completely agree with you.

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10143583

>>10143576
Have you seen this dress? Similar cut, I think.It has the same lace around the front and shoulders.
It is more AP Classic-ish though.

>> No.10143592

Most japanese lolitas may be facially cuter but they don't look as well put together as the average Western lolita

>> No.10143627

>>10143332
That's where we disagree.

>> No.10143715

>>10141955
NYART but this is me. I like bare wrists in general and I like my own, they seem to be the only part of my body that is flawless and worth showing. When I'm wearing anything less than OTT teaparty-level, I do not wear any wristcuffs or bracelets or decorations and even pull long sleeves up for comfort.

>> No.10143721

>>10143592
Agree, their coords are usually lacking. There's a stricter adherence to the rules and a bigger pressure to be well put together in the western community.

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10143729

>>10142374
Catholic here. It's really not. If anything, it's showing appreciation for one good thing that came out of our religion dominating Europe (the beautiful art). Nun-themed sex costumes are much more offensive and even then it's not really something worth getting up in arms over. Some people are just degenerates.
>>10142390
Alice and the Pirates did do Scheherazade, which is probably the closest you'll ever get.

>> No.10143736

>>10142647
not sure what you meant by this, a lot of people here post on more than one board

>> No.10143749

>>10143721
Disagree. I think our coords come off as too try-hard and costumy. But maybe I just miss the pre-Instagram lj days.

>> No.10143765

>>10143504
Wow none of those signs are omg waaacist. I would be expecting some NO BLACKS or something. Deal with it but America is founded on Christian pillars and Islamic influence (freedom of religion is one thing) is bad for feminism, freedom of speech, other American values...and you must think Americans own guns only for sport lol

>> No.10143772

>>10143749
Comments like these are so funny because big OTT coords predate instagram by several years

>> No.10143789

>>10143772
It’s not necessarily a matter of OTT vs simple.

>> No.10143799

>>10143729

I'm Catholic too and it's so hard to be offended by people who can't even get basic details down; so many of those fake rosaries you see people wear around their necks don't even have a crucifix.

>> No.10143810

>>10142900
>>10143053
She said nothing that isn't common knowledge in film spheres. Not sure how that's autism tier knowledge but ok

>> No.10143818

>>10143799
as a classic/gothicfag, it's totally on purpose too. I only wear necklaces that resemble rosaries, not functionally religious ones.
It's purely about the aesthetic, and I feel exactly the same as >>10143729, i think Christianity has done more damage than good for most of it's history, but I adore classic art and church architecture. It's undeniably beautiful.

>> No.10143920

>>10141836
Red is the superior color.

>> No.10144047

>>10141840
idk about fast normie fashion. Every normie I meet that asks about my lolita coords is shocked I would spend so much money on 'just a dress'. I've also had some girls say 'I love that style but its just too expensive for me' etc....

>> No.10144051

>>10143332
I think it's not a big deal to wear Christian things because it is a part of the larger culture at this point, but staying being a nun is "just a job" is a little....eh.
That is kind of belittling to say dedicating your life to your church to the extent you can't marry is just a job. A nuns garb is kind of the exact same thing as a religious headdress. The thing that is difference is how the representation has been used over the years and why people are more uncomfortable with native American headdresses being used as an accessory. People still do get insulted by sexy nun shit every Halloween in heavily Catholic areas I have family in.

>> No.10144063

>>10141840
this, grunge is dead

>> No.10144177

>>10143765
You are correct anon, none of the signs are explicitly racist, but the sentiment and corporations behind them are. In particular the confederate flag, People say it means "freedom" and "southern pride", and not all those people are racist, but the idea that the confederate flag stood for anything other than the right for southerners to own slaves is incorrect.

Maybe you are just baiting me but seriously...


anyways back to the thread srry other anons

>> No.10144399

>>10142131
But why not use the correct term, girly style? Did you even read the Japanese wiki about lolita fashion and Jane Marple?

>> No.10144570

>>10142910
Doing this to a friends jsks for this exact reason.

>> No.10144827
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>>10144047
not that anon but to me they aren't talking about the brain dead completely fashion illiterates that are eating up Zara and the like, but the special brand of normies who are buying Nudie Jeans and Jbrand pants for $200-300 a pair, for example.

if anon is bad talking people who drink starbucks while they sip a cup from an indie brand of coffee bean grown and handpicked by a nudist hipster on a remote island, we aknowledge there are people who enjoy maxwell house instant and diner drip coffee but they are out of the equation because they drink coffee out of habit or necessity, the way most people clothe themselves. they do not claim to be afficianados.

i think i agree that lolita has lowered in quality over the years while going up in price, and released more and more failproof sets to coord together. it has taken a lot of the personality and individuality out of the style, especially when people wear wigs and contact lenses that make them look even less like themselves. for a lot of people it seems like it's an escapist fantasy and not a fashion statement, if that makes sense. maybe there isn't anything wrong with that, but it can be problematic when people with such different ideas about what lolita is are crammed into the same label