/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10686854
I really wonder, looking at her milk. Doesn't she basically align with the whole SJW agenda? SJWs harass people as well. How much do you want to bet that the lolitas that harassed Tyler and Lor are getting off scot-free with harassing other people.

I'd rather have a ban list for the people who keep harassing others like WF

>>10686861
>the lolitas that harassed Tyler and Lor

only like a handful of actual lolitas did that and wf is a perma ita while av*na is not really wearing lolita anymore as much as she wants to convince people her bad lady outfits are lolita coords. other actual lolitas didn't really care/get involved or contribute to that nonsense.

>>10686882
*bag lady not bad lady kek sorry

>>10686882
Do we even know if the majority of lolitas harassing other people for SJW conduct are even lolita or not ita? I mean it's the same vein. I doubt they even are "lolita." I think it's just a slippery slope to start making lists for randos virtue signaling. I'd rather ban the harassers.

>>10686887
based on the people who said stuff on twitter and the self admitted non lolita followers of lor VS the people who publicly wear or post themselves in lolita on socials it seems like it was a twitter hype cancel train more than actual lolitas. other jfashion wearers also jumped in too but many of them are not lolitas and often more into woke stuff imo. not many involved were actual lolitas, much less ones going to meets or paying to go to a lolita con

>>10686905
That really figures. Well, they have no bearing on our community and somehow that gets Tyler banned from events. So that's ironic. I really want to get away from these outsiders being able to police our community and I think ban lists for *actual* lolitas are probably going the wrong direction because twitter hype train will ban literally anyone and everyone without bearing or reason. I'd rather prevent them from being involved in the lolita community's judgement after harassing other people who wear the fashion. I mean it's no different than someone seeing one of us on the street and yelling obscenities around prejudice. Those are literally the people we *don't* want in our community.

>>10686907
I mean what's lost when they go "I don't want to support you in supporting people *I want canceled*" Seriously. They don't wear the fashion, they won't buy the fashion and if they do that's for themselves, they won't be involved or spending money around it. I just think it's strange to go off twitter cancel hype. Who even are they?

>>10686693
Ehhh most cons keep a ban list. They just don’t advertise it and only specific con runners have it. But to get on that list is pretty specific and it’s usually only one or two people who’ve violated the law at the event prior, verified harassment claims or some other serious event involving police.

>>10686922
True, but most cons don't publicly advertise that they don't call the police and go full Sjw retard in their code of conduct.

>>10686943
>Retard
Don't you know that's offensive to retards? That could have made one cry if they understood you. You're going on the list.

>>10684342
Kuroshiro Kawaii will be in the show I've heard. Maybe some RPA and Meta will be walking? Best of luck to those applying. Tell us how it goes.

>>10686977
If there's any non lolita jfashion then Kuroshiro Kawaii has a lot of ACDC Rag and Sexpot Revenge as well. But for lolita I think it's just indie, RPA, and Meta.

Meta has been doing really well with releasing cute desirable prints and if anyone volunteering to model is larger they'll likely have the bigger sizing available to model and people can finally see what the plus sizes look like on someone well styled and actually fat or tall rather than just putting the big size on the normal size model. Obviously not everyone cares about that but I am curious since I've not yet seen anyone wearing the newer Meta plus or plus-plus sizes.

>>10686977
How tf is meta going to be there when you're not allowed to even wear it there kek

>>10683605
>"Please note that ALL ATTENDEES MUST BE FULLY VACCINATED TO ATTEND ROYAL VEGAS RETREAT 2021. "Fully vaccinated" means that it has been at least 2 weeks since their final dose of vaccine. Attendees must show proof of vaccination to pick up their badge. Attendees arriving from inside the US must show their vaccine card. Please stay tuned for concrete guidance on proof of vaccination for attendees outside of the US."

whelp, that made it easy to decide to try and go or not

>>10686989
Weird they didn't do vaccine proof or PCR test like big mainstream events have. Glad the rules helped you make your decision tho.

>>10686983
From the rules it seems as though meta won’t be allowed, but that’s kind of the only thing Kuroshiro sells that any one might want. Also why is RPA allowed after the whole sexual assault/harassment thing? Bodyline should be banned too no?

>>10687005
Bodyline isn't owned/at least not operated by yan anymore. I was under the impression they just meant don't wear the nazi set, not that you can't wear Meta at all. In a roundabout way this rule might keep any well-dressed fatties wearing brand that actually fits and not taobao clolita trash away from the event.

>>10687005
Sexual assault/harassment?? Royal Princess Alice has drama???

>>10687016
>a coordinate or piece from any brand or nationality that uses nazi, fascist, or alt-right aesthetics or symbols, defined broadly

The rules aren’t really clear. Is it that specific piece from any brand? Or do they mean any brand that profits off of nazi imagery etc.

Also wtf do they mean by nationality. A piece from any nationality that uses nazi imagery? Wtf does that even mean? Even putting on my sjw thinking cap I can’t figure it out. Do they mean people wearing period costumes from nazi Germany or the confederacy or something?

>>10687005
>>10687023
Also, considering how explicit the dress code is/what you cannot wear is so painfully and unnecessarily spelled out, I'm sure it'd say "no Metamorphose" if that is what they meant. Nif has a ton of pictures on social media of her wearing Meta, too. It'd be mega hypocritical.

>>10687025
idk maybe they were trying to get around people being like 'im jewish so i can wear dw'?

>>10687005
I'll want some proof of that RPA claim. That's a new one.

>>10687030
this

>>10687030
I do remember hearing about a model claiming some kind of sexual harassment by one of the company reps. I can't find any links but I also can't google in Japanese so idk. I wouldn't buy their stuff anyways. Quality is TaoBao tier and price is crazy high.

Isn’t BABY going to be at AWA at the end of this month? Why does everyone keep implying its impossible for a fucking lolita con to get a Japanese brand right now, when some anime con can?

>>10687457
I wonder how much they cost to come over.

>>10687457
>>10687574
They probably aren't coming over from Japan, Baby still has a US presence, so I imagine that's what they're referring to given the circumstances.

Theoretically, AP USA could have come to rvr, especially since they sell a bunch of other brands, but they might be on the ban list and I don't think they'd want anything to do with this plate of hot garbage anyways.

>>10687582
Jesus, if they couldn’t get a single japanese brand then im not going. It’s the bare minimum for a J-FASH convention

>>10687582
Especially if they want to be political. AP USA would be wise to stay far away from that and remain neutral.

>>10687638
Lol no one is going to think AP USA is suddenly SJW because they chose to promote themselves at the only lolita convention in North America that’s confirmed happening since covid began.

>>10687638
If anything ap is already banned because the owner is cOnSeRvATiVe

>>10687674
I thought the conservative owner got pushed out

>>10687735
How do you really think an owner gets pushed out of owning a business? What fantasy world are you in?

>>10687735
They just fired the tranny. The owner of AP USA and the jfashion shop they share space with is conservative. Not like full blown q anon but by rvr standards may as well be hitler because you know, disagreeing is AcTuAL ViOLenCe

>>10687025
>a coordinate or piece
>from any brand or nationality
The rules are clear, though. A coordinate or a piece [from anything]. So it's specific coordinates and pieces that would be banned. Nothing in there suggests any brand's entire catalogue is banned.

>>10687818
If that were the case, then the "from any brand or nationality" would be unnecessary. It would just say "a coordinate or piece that uses nazi, fascist, or blablabla".

For example, the nation of Japan "uses fascist symbols, defined broadly". So now "a coordinate from [Japan]" is banned? Someone retarded wrote this.

>inb4 ur just dumb hurr durr

We know they didn't mean the rule to come off that way and must have just fucked up the wording. But it obviously isn't written clearly at all since numerous people in this thread are interpreting it that way.

>>10687818
I think what people are confused on is:

a coordinate or piece FROM ANY BRAND or nationality that uses nazi blah blah

If they were referring to specific pieces why not either mention them specifically (there's only a few) or say:

Any coordinate or piece that features offensive blah blah. Adding the "from any brand or nationality" is weird and adds a layer of confusion when it could have been much simpler and clearer, unless what they meant is that they don't want to support brands who have profitted from problematic imagery at the event.

>>10687848
>unless what they meant is that they don't want to support brands who have profitted from problematic imagery at the event.
Exactly this. It's not even an outlandish suggestion or something, because they're the type of con that would do this.

>>10684485
Did she already delete her LJ account or was it because of this thread? I was looking through egl and noticed there's a strike through her user name.

>>10687824
>But it obviously isn't written clearly at all since numerous people in this thread are interpreting it that way.
This is important when it comes to public messaging. You have to be thorough and definite, otherwise you'll get ripped into (NORMALLY) and not just by the lolita community. When you're writing for the public, you need to be very careful with wording. The way they wrote it, from my interpretation is for them to be able to ban people, cancel them, and kick people out based on "loose wording." But, that's because I'm used to people doing this shit for power-related reasons. It being a woke cancel culture SJW event makes me suspect it even more.

>>10686536
A lot of people who have written notable papers actually have a pretty hefty background in the fashion and do a lot of interviews. The so pretty/very rotten author also initially just started the book out as a paper.

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/younker/files/lolita_-_dreaming_despairing_defying.pdf

This chick actually interned at MM and worked at Baby in Japan. Definitely makes for an interesting read and id love to see a a panel by her.

Speaking of, did they have any “request a guest” suggestion box on their site? The people they chose are so disappointing. I’d have loved to suggest a lolita history archiver, or a notable model, or one of the so pretty/very rotten authors, or literally anyone who does more than just post garbage on youtube for normies.

It's really sad how desperate they're getting for models oof. I don't think I've seen other cons have to beg for models like this.

>>10688553
That’s because other cons have brands that people actually want to apply to model for

>>10688553
It's to be expected for a first year con to have major staffing issues for even paid/perks gigs, let alone unpaid volunteer positions.

Checked through the brands though and it's def not helping:
-Fluffy Tori: Hideous
-ghostgirlgoods: Not hideous, but not lolita and *barely* J fashion. The only original brand stuff they have are pretty generic T shirts. Not sure how this will work unless they're also modeling the 6%dokidoki that they sell.
-KittyKaya: regretsy tier. Doesn't actually sell any clothing.
-Kuroshiro Kawaii: Doesn't actually have anything in their shop brand, so I assume they'll have people model Meta? That makes them the only "brand" worth considering, and they haven't actually designed anything. Fun Fact: you can get their $65 pettis on eBay for literally $10.
-Puvithel: Has a bad rep, and some of the ugliest items on this list.
-Black Ribbon: has some questionable fabric choices and construction, but is probably the only actual lolita fashion designer on this list.

All in all; they've got 6 "brands" on the list and a third of them don't even produce clothing. Of those that do, 2 are notoriously hideous, and one only makes t shirts.

>>10688667
Enchanted Dream Couture will be in the show, which is the one that might put something decent together. But yeah, I was also seriously confused on how half those brands were going to be participating in the fashion show. Especially when they don’t even make clothes…

>>10688810
They’re not mentioned on the website list. Maybe a last minute addition? But yeah I was also confused. The one girl literally just makes pins and buttons?!? This must have just been everyone who applied.

>>10688667
>you can get their $65 pettis on eBay for literally $10
Glad I’m not the only one who noticed this.
>>10688810
Seriously? Maybe they’re just vending and not in the fashion show, like kaneko. Their dresses look acceptable but a bit shiny. Head and shoulders over the rest though.

>>10688842
No, they are in it. I actually didn't see them on the special guests page, but they are on the fashion show page.

New thread >>10689175