Eternal best college major / education to make a jizzillion dollars thread

[Anonymous No.1224712]

Engineering student here, I get the impression that engineering is massively oversaturated, thoughts on switching to applied physics?

[Anonymous No.1224718]

>>1224712
You're going to be applying for the exact same jobs with an applied physics degree as an engineering degree

[Anonymous No.1224724]

>>1224718
the way I see it though with an applied physics degree, in addition to having those engineering jobs available, there's more opportunities in R&D than you would get with an engineering degree.

[Anonymous No.1224733]

>>1224724
Also. physics has alot of quant work you can do for finance. I know engineering can do that as well, but, physics are still more sought after and physics people tend to have masters, phds etc oppose to the engineering bachelors and fuck off.

[Anonymous No.1225416]

>>1224724
The R&D opportunities are there if you go for a PhD, but that applies to both physics and engineering

[Anonymous No.1225444]

>>1224712
Hey OP I'm here to agree with you. Not only is it oversaturated but it's also overrated extremely.
Im studying electrical and think it's one of the biggest mistakes of my life so far, but since Im so close to graduating theres no going back, I can't switch now. If I could go back in time I would've done finance instead. Several reasons for it:

1. Stem is oversaturated
2. Poor industry growth (meanwhile finance is booming)
3. Engineering jobs don't pay that much (Your salary follows a log curve, meaning you may start at $70k entry, but you will be making $75k 10 years down the line while in finance you might start at $50k but can easily move up to $150k+ in the same amount of time)
4. Stem majors and especially engineers and Comp sci majors are not respected anymore (nobody shows you respect and being an engineer is nothing to be proud of today, your job is not prestigious or impressive as it used to be - look anywhere and youll see people making nerd and autist jokes)
5. Finance majors get cooler job titles

If you are underage and still in HS and posting here. DO NOT MAJOR IN ENGINEERING OR COMP SCI, CHOOSE A NORMAL MAJOR LIKE FINANCE OR ECON and do MATH as your second major or do a minor in com sci if you like it that much. DO NOT MAKE ANY STEM DEGREE YOUR PRIMARY MAJOR.

[Anonymous No.1225446]

>>1224712
This version is shit. How are engineers greater than or equal to physicians? Engies make like 80K on average and cap out at like 120K...Doctors make 200K+ on average and cap out at like a million+ for highly specialized surgeons.

[Anonymous No.1225454]

>>1225446
I assume because you need 10+ years of school and then if you don't have $400k for medschool you are going half a mil in debt. You won't break even until your late 20s or early 30s, at which point your youth is gone. Is it worth it? Probably, but remember that some people want to enjoy their youth.

[Anonymous No.1225477]

>>1225444
That's what you get for both listening to memes and ONLY caring about wealth and prestige (they're very important but shouldn't dictate your whole life).

[Anonymous No.1225494]

>electrical engineering above medicine, pharmacy, and law

lmao

what kind of butthurt aspie STEMfag made this shit?

lawyers from the top 14 law schools make 180 grand their first year, that's more than almost any engineer in the world makes

[Anonymous No.1225525]

>>1225477
It didnt hit me until my second year. People would ask me what Im majoring in and when I said electrical it'd usually be met with okay or something anticlimactic like that. Meanwhile business majors are fawned all over. All those STEM memes (including this picture) are a huge lie. I wish people would stop propagating them.

[Anonymous No.1225541]

>>1225446
stemfag memes/fantasies

[Anonymous No.1225643]

>>1225525
lol, at my uni business majors are looked down upon because we know it is an easy major.

>>1225494
I think this list isn't based on income, it seems like it is based on difficulty of the major and perceived usefulness to society. I don't why mathematics is so high up there. It is a difficult as fuck major, but the job prospects are shit.
>>1225444
lol you are just trying to discourage people from doing your major.

here is some real advice to all. Major in what your passionate about. It could be art history, but if you really do have a passion for it and want to bring art to the public or create amazing art, you will do fine.
The fuck ups are the people who go into a major with no passion and expect that the world will hand them a decent paying job.

If you have no passion, go learn a trade or some other form of labor that is paid decently.

[Anonymous No.1225652]

>>1225444
This applies to me, am I falling for a meme?

[Anonymous No.1225660]

>>1225444
>finance is booming
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/may/30/goldman-sachs-internship-applications

[Anonymous No.1225665]

>>1225444
>http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/may/30/goldman-sachs-internship-applications
>>1225660
I though the headline was in the url
>Goldman Sachs receives 17,000 applications for internship programme
>The bank hired 350 interns out of the 17,000 applicants

[Anonymous No.1225674]

>>1225494
Getting a BigLaw job (the only kind that pays ~180 after bonuses) is still like a 50/50 shot out of a place like Georgetown, though the odds get better as you go up the list, of course. But most people don't go to the T14 schools. They go to a shithole or a strong regional university, from where they have virtually no chance at that kind of money, and many of whom end up being entirely unemployed. On top of that, it's an extra three years of school compared to engineering.

[Anonymous No.1225684]

Engineer (aerospace) here.

I made it to Engineering Manager of a world known firm simply because the majority of Engineers being churned out of universities are
a) lazy
b) know-it-all types who don't actually know jackshit
c) combinations of a) and b) who come from shit schools and know fuck all
c) Pajeet types who have a),b) and c) types. The engineer Indians typically come from a "better" cast and expect to be treated as such, but are in reality a pile of frauds. Never hire anyone from outside the West.

Like CS, all the above weigh down the average engineer salary.

Put your head down and learn a lot as a junior engineer. Work the hours, take the shit, but learn from it all. Learn VBA too, it's invaluable as an engineer. Office politics are as important in an engineering bureau as engineering work. Get your Professional Engineering status by learning all thi

Protip, you won't make it past "senior engineer" without delving spending time in operations either.

Fire away if you have questions

[Anonymous No.1225692]

>>1225674
>georgeTTTown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuL6cJPz3Nk

Couldn't break 170?

[Anonymous No.1225696]

>>1224712
Fucking pic is modified every time someone downloads it, I swear,

[Anonymous No.1225697]

>>1225692
>brings up t14 schools
>makes fun of me when i use one as an example

[Anonymous No.1225708]

>>1225444
Go for what you enjoy.
If you don't hate the idea of modeling things in CAD all day, go for an engineering job.

Stop picking shit you hate because it makes money because you're going to end up leaving it eventually if you do.

[Anonymous No.1225740]

>>1225684
t. incel white shitposter going to local community college

You can't argue with ethos without establishing your credibility*. Post proof of your job/target school.

*of which you have none.

[Anonymous No.1225759]

>>1225444
>CHOOSE A NORMAL MAJOR LIKE FINANCE OR ECON
>ECON

[Anonymous No.1225761]

>>1224712

>majoring in Political Science
>planning on going to law school
>get shit on by everyone, for not taking engineering/finance

feelsbadman.jpb

[Anonymous No.1225906]

>>1225740
oh look, the local doubting Thomas.

> white
Brings to question your ethnicity, doesn't it? I've interviewed Pajeet after Pajeet (this is Canada after all) and I've only made the mistake of hiring one (see above learning from mistakes). The poor chap seemed to know basic modelling and FEA so I had him hired. That was it for him - he made it and thought he could afford to sit back and drink Starbucks/Tims slurpys at his desk all day. He never made it past probation.

With the exception of a very few, I've found non-white Engineers to be absolutely drastic. Ironically, the two of the best engineers I know, and sadly I don't work with, are white South Africans. A good engineer will create a solution that fits within a 40 hr work week - not 24/7 work. Firms can't afford to pay the OT and won't if they have the choice. Pakis,chinks and niggers are not wrought to be engineers. They neither have the creativity to model an innovative solution nor the willpower to see it through.

[Anonymous No.1225933]

>>1225444

I feel so hard familia. Graduating as CS this year and literally have been considering an hero. I feel like I threw away my future over a fucking meme.

[Anonymous No.1225941]

>>1225759
What's wrong with econ?

[Anonymous No.1225970]

>>1225684
Hey man, I'm on summer vacay right now and I'm sending out resumes to get an internship or coop position. Any advice you can give me on like beginners mistakes/resumes/interview tips? Thanks in advance.

[Anonymous No.1225977]

>>1225684

Ebin advice, senpai. About to graduate and this gives me hope.

Quesiton: what is operations?

[Anonymous No.1225985]

>>1225444
>finance is booming

Yeah I'd stick to engineering anon because you clearly have zero financial acumen

[Anonymous No.1226004]

>>1225660
>>1225665
Goldman Sachs is not the only financial institution there is, its just that it's popular and lot of people apply there hoping for a job. Harvard gets thousands of applicants too and has to reject most of them, yet that doesnt mean that 90%+ of students are unable to attend college.

>>1225652
You are falling for it sadly and so am I. If you can get out Id recommend you to. I have two semesters left to finish up my EE major and its too late to change anything now. I hope my parents will have mercy and agree to finance my MBA too.

>>1225759
>>1225985
Pick any job related to finance/econ/accounting and you'll see that's all of these fields are growing while engineering jobs are stagnating. There is money to be made in software engineering (aka compsci and such) but not for long, and there is no money to be made in EE. If you live in the US, financial services is a way to go. If you live in Africa then you should do EE so you can get that H1B and come to work in the US.

I seriously doubt Ill ever get a job in EE and I most definitely regret deciding to major in EE, I shouldve focused on getting into a good financial school instead.

[Anonymous No.1226017]

>>1226004
The grass is always greener

If you weren't such a weak inferior person you wouldn't be posting in this thread about your failures

[Anonymous No.1226019]

>>1225684
Is it difficult compared with other engys?

[Anonymous No.1226022]

>>1226017
>The grass is always greener
Except there is no grass on my side and yours is actually a jungle.

I wish I could go back in time and slap some sense into me. My hope is that at least my math background will help me once I decide to move to the financial sector. I hear all these stories about engineers being hired by various firms to do algorithms, analysis or whatnot which kind of makes me hopeful.

[Anonymous No.1226024]

>>1226022
You're not gonna make it

The problem isn't your degree, it's your character you fucking manchild weeb.

[Anonymous No.1226030]

>>1226017
>If you weren't such a weak inferior person you wouldn't be posting in this thread about your failures

Honestly Im just hoping to help some of the HS kids here who are on the fence about their major make the right choice. As I said, finance is much less intense than engineering which is why I recommend double majoring in math. You'll technically be able to compute anything an engineer does (and more) but you won't have to learn all the other stuff.

>>1226024
>The problem isn't your degree, it's your character you fucking manchild weeb.

Its hard to feel hopeful when you have 0 job prospects.

[Anonymous No.1226035]

>>1226030
You would have failed regardless of your major. You are the problem.

>hard to feel hopeful
Neck yourself then you weak faggot

[Anonymous No.1226036]

>>1226035
How about you fuck off you degenerate? What is your major?

[Anonymous No.1226046]

Information systems here. Where do I fit in? I don't know whether I go in the same tier as business or IT.

[Anonymous No.1226101]

Reminder that Aerospace Engineering majors can intern in the City and become investment bankers straight out of university.

[Anonymous No.1226107]

>>1226046
Same same phamilia

[Anonymous No.1226111]

I have degrees in EE and Physics and I work in EE now. That should tell you something.

[Anonymous No.1226113]

>>1226111
How is everything going so far?

[Anonymous No.1226124]

>>1226113
Well my EE degree is from a top program and I'm good at what I do, so I'm fine. It's true that the payscale doesn't go up quite as nicely as CS does, or finance for that matter, but I like what I do.

[Anonymous No.1226129]

>>1226113
i work in EE and its great
the only thing i see people bitching about is that it salary caps out in THE MID 100Ks
the fucking NEETs on here have never made more than minimum wage so i realize the concept of income is difficult for them to understand but an engineer getting paid 100k for 40 hours a week and a finance guy getting paid 200k for 80 hours a week IS THE SAME PAY

[Anonymous No.1226154]

>>1226129
also if its oversaturated i dont know it
the number of engineers that graduate on time with good grades and internships must be tiny

[Anonymous No.1226160]

that feel when no major interests you.

I was considering geology for a while, but the market is dried up too so I hear.

Really though the geology class I took was the only one that somewhat interested me while getting my AA...even that not so much

Now I have my AA, no debt, some money in the bank from a deployment, and a free ride for my undergrad and masters through the National Guard

I could do a trade, but they take at least 2 years of apprenticeship...plus I already have my AA so might as well get my bachelors and masters

What should I major in /biz/?
If you say follow your passion, well the only thing that has been of interest to me over the past few years is going SF. I'm already infantry and have been training real hard... I've talked to some SF and they can end up getting gigs working for intelligence agencies... hm I dk /biz/

inb4 die for Israel

[Anonymous No.1226187]

>>1226160
Geology is dried up to say the least. Though the market always goes up and down after all. I specialized in geochemistry and went for mining - which is doing a bit better than O&G at the moment. I know a lot of people going for their MSc now while waiting for things to clear up.

If you decide to go for geology, make sure you pick up courses in hydrology. It's more useful than you'd think.

[Anonymous No.1226207]

>>1226187
Alright good to know. thanks.

[Anonymous No.1226244]

>>1226160
dentistry

[Anonymous No.1226653]

>>1226187
>If you decide to go for geology, make sure you pick up courses in hydrology.
why?
that is actually what I want to specialize in.

I'm going into geology, I don't even hear that many bad things about the career prospects. I have a genuine passion for exploring what is under the earth and working with natural resources. I decided to specialize in hydrology because it is the most valuable natural resource.

I used to be a comp sci major, but that shit is so god awful imo, and working for google is such a meme.

[Anonymous No.1226690]

You don't need the best job. Just one that nets you enough money to play with in investing.

[Anonymous No.1227240]

>>1226019
Mech and aero are very similiar. Aerospace systems as a whole tend to be more complicated, but it's rare that a junior engineer will focus on more than a small aspect of the aircraft.

The job market is also more volatile - aerospace goes through cycles. We have just come out of a design phase and have entered a production phase. This will continue for the next ten years, when the maintenance market will pick up, and then back to the design phase. A lot of designers are being laid off and manufacturing/methods engineers are in demand.

>>1226101
This is a faux pas - there is very different in terms of education between aerospace, mechanical, biomedical except for perception.

>>1225977
Production, manufacturing.

>>1225970
The experience counts, and a lot of the folk I graduated with went to work with the same company they did internships with. Apply to all the big shots - Rolls Royce, Boeing, Airbus, Safran, UTC. A key point that many university students don't know about is that aerospace is comprised in a hierarchy as follows - airframer (Boeing, Airbus, Embraer, etc), Tier One suppliers (Goodrich, Messier, Rolls Royce, Triumph, GE, etc. who supply large components such as landing gear, wings, engines, fuselages), Tier Two (who supply the Tier One) and so on. Airframers are assemblers (they put the parts together) and Suppliers are nearly always manufacturing. Aim for Airframers and Tier One.

Contract companies will also work directly with Airframers and you have the chance of gaining real experience in an airframer. These contract companies are not very popular, their turnover is high and so is the workload. But you do get real world experience working directly in an airframer which is what young engineers often need. Likely they'll have you working as a Project Engineer rather than hard maths.

MROs are a different side, as are airline operations. MROs are gritty work, airline work is cut-throat, irregular hours, and not great pay.

[Anonymous No.1227293]

>Computer engineer
>Higher than computer science
What even.

[Anonymous No.1227343]

How about you just have passion for what you do and let the millions role in instead of obsessing about if you got memed in the ass. Love what you do and people will cuck

[Anonymous No.1227353]

>>1227343
You are the epitome of naivety

[Anonymous No.1227358]

>>1227353
Your the epitome of mediocracy faggot

[Anonymous No.1227379]

>>1227358
*you are

how embarrassing

[Anonymous No.1227403]

>>1227293
>knowledge of computer architecture, hardware, and software vs. Pajeet codemonkey
Ok, pal.

[Anonymous No.1227408]

>>1227403
More like jack of all trades master of none

[Anonymous No.1227412]

>>1227379
*naivete

how embarassing

[Anonymous No.1227435]

>>1227412
> acute e
> umlaut
It's like you are doing this on purpose

[Anonymous No.1227449]

>>1227435
No, see, that would have been autistic. You're just a pedant who also happens to be retarded.

[Anonymous No.1227463]

I definitely fell for the engineering meme, now I'm trying to transfer schools but it's hard because muh grade deflation. The material is p bad if you're not interested in it but by far the worst part of engineering is the people involved with it. The smugness was unbearable

[Anonymous No.1227482]

>>1227463
How bad can it be on the inside? I'm a psych major so I've gotten more than my share of engineering major smugness. Especially on /r9k/ back when I frequented it. Thank God I don't go there at all anymore.

[Anonymous No.1227566]

>>1227463
It's mostly just your typical Reddit STEMlords, with some normie types thrown in because guidance counselors are pushing like every decently smart person into engineering. The thing that bugged me was that no one had any real interests outside of school and like video games and shit. Maybe it's just because I went to a big state school, but I honestly felt like engineering was making me into a more boring person

[Anonymous No.1227568]

>>1227566
Meant to reply to
>>1227482

[Anonymous No.1227592]

Jesus all these kids who are getting upset at STEM because it isn't a "get 100k starting job with no competition free card". News flash: There's gonna be competition and struggle no matter what you do. Do what you like (within reason) and be the best you can be at it, that's all you can do.

Don't just get angry when you run into a slight bump in the road. You only "fell for the STEM meme" if you picked the major because everyone told you it was good and not because you love it.

[Anonymous No.1227617]

>>1227592
the only career that i can see making 100k+ a year consistently at the get go is medical

[Anonymous No.1227618]

>>1227617
>taxes
>debt
Good luck getting 100K out of that.

Most doctors make ~140K before taxes and work a lot. If you're not a specialist, you're fucked. At least the pensions are usually good.

[Anonymous No.1227638]

>>1225444
>I can't switch now
Well punned. Giggity.

[Anonymous No.1227649]

>marketing
>meh tier

Pick one faggot. Get a bachelor's in marketing with a minor in basic ass monkey coding and you'll have a guaranteed 100k+ a year job at any respectable company in a non shit big city doing web promotion and shit. It's literally so easy for the money.

[Anonymous No.1227651]

>>1227649
Tai Lopez?

[Anonymous No.1227657]

>>1227651
I fucking kek'd

[Anonymous No.1227671]

>>1227592
They need to stop pushing stem so hard then. Im mad that they lied to me, not because im not making 100k.

[Anonymous No.1227675]

>>1227649
Marketing is hard, I like something thats not as abstract.

[Anonymous No.1227677]

>>1227293

comp sci is pretty much majoring in getting outsourced.

[Anonymous No.1227680]

>>1225444
>1. Stem is oversaturated
Says who? How so?
>2. Poor industry growth (meanwhile finance is booming)
Lolwat?
>3. Engineering jobs don't pay that much (Your salary follows a log curve, meaning you may start at $70k entry, but you will be making $75k 10 years down the line while in finance you might start at $50k but can easily move up to $150k+ in the same amount of time)
So save more when your starting out, get dat compound interest from banks or stocks instead of from assumed promotions
>4. Stem majors and especially engineers and Comp sci majors are not respected anymore (nobody shows you respect and being an engineer is nothing to be proud of today, your job is not prestigious or impressive as it used to be - look anywhere and youll see people making nerd and autist jokes)
If you decide what job you want based on what others think of you, you're not mature enough to decide on a career anyways
>5. Finance majors get cooler job titles
How many Lamborghini's can I buy with my cool points again?

[Anonymous No.1227688]

I got accepted to Cal Poly Pomona for Computer Engineering. How fucked am I at getting a job when I am competing with people?

[Anonymous No.1227704]

>>1227688
Change your major while you still can.

[Anonymous No.1227760]

>>1227688
That's the college I go to. Engineering is pretty reputable there but many people I know who were that major had switched.

[Anonymous No.1227826]

>>1227760

Was there a reason as to why they switched?

[Anonymous No.1227828]

>>1227649
This. Memes will literally be your profession.

[Anonymous No.1227832]

>electrical engineer
>god tier

[Anonymous No.1227833]

>>1227688
You fell for the meme.

[Anonymous No.1227855]

>>1227240
I'm actually in Automotive Engineering which I should have mentioned but Aerospace has always been an alternative that I'd be interested in. I'll assume the same advice about applying to big name companies but I don't have much experience and it feels like I can never get an interview. Then again I've had colleagues who've applied to hundreds of jobs before getting that lucky interview.

[Anonymous No.1227982]

>>1227826
Something with fulling math reqs and graduating sooner. One switched to comp. sci. and the other to accounting/some business shit. I guess it was kind of a pointless thing to say but I felt obligated to reply.

[Anonymous No.1228036]

Don't go Medical. The fact you're worried about money disqualifies you for that path. There are much easier ways to make money. Not to mention you'll graduate anywhere from 250k-400k in debt depending which specialty you choose to pursue. Not to mention you won't graduate from school till your around 26, and for most specialties you'll in residency training till probably 30. After that you can expect to make a decent living of 150k+. The money will only really start rolling in when you open your own practice (unless you stayed in training till 40 for Plastics and Reconstructive surgery or the such). But that's assuming you make it into Medical school on your first try, which the acceptance rates for most hang around 5%. Not to mention you also might get caught dead in residency where you made it through medical school but can't find a training position to become an actual licensed physician. This is also overlooking the fact that you are giving up your prime decade to 7 days a week of all day all night studying and prepping for the next test to pass or person to impress. Also, you have to be prepared to be sued often throughout the rest of your life for attempting to help that same person. This is a path for absolute idiots who want to help the common man for some ridiculous reason. I'm one of those idiots who just got accepted into med school. I'm 22 years old, and I'm already 50k in debt with a useless biology pre medical degree. The last 4 years I've volunteered 2000+ hours of my life to free labor.
If I could go back and tell myself to change my mind, I'd say fuck it, buy a $10,000 lawn mower, a $300 weed eater, a $500 blower, a $10,000 3/4 ton truck with a $5,000 trailer and mow yards for a living, easily making $150k+ a year for working from 6am-2pm. or whatever the fuck hours you want because you work for yourself and you weren't a dumb fuck who went to college like everyone said to do.
#FirstWorldProblems

[Anonymous No.1228081]

>>1228036

As a CS major who wishes he'd done pre-med, let me tell you the grass is always greener. You are going to make big bank doctor money no matter where you choose to live. I am stuck in the shit tier bay area if I hope to make a meaningful salary, where my salary is cancelled out by the high COL anyway.

[Anonymous No.1228099]

>>1228081
>>1228081
Oh well,
I just wish I wasn't going fucking insane with regret for trying to help people and going into a health profession.
You can still freelance, you can do a whole ton of shit.

[Anonymous No.1228168]

CS majors, ne prepared to be outsourced to pajeet.

CS is literally the easiest thing to outsource, programming requires the least intelligence of any STEM career.

EE is a far more theoretical subject and thus the number of poo in loos competent in it at the graduate level is much less.

[Anonymous No.1228175]

>Thinking you're going to high roll with an engineering degree.

All that talk of huge amounts of money being made right out school are wrong.

You don't make the classic
>60k starting
Until you have like a masters in a sub-specialty and at least 5 years experience on the job.

Competition to breach the 20$ an hour labor market has become utterly outrageous, and will stay outrageous from here on out.

The actual starting salaries of most engineers are usually in the ballpark of ~40-45,000 a year, and that's for a 50 to 60 hour week.

So your actual hourly pay is in the teens, once you factor in the "overtime" coefficient.

[Anonymous No.1228188]

>>1225444
>finance is booming
Source?
As far as I know, they are laying thousands of people off in finance. Only Chinese finance sector is booming, European finance has the biggest problems and American finance is barely doing "meh" right now.

[Anonymous No.1228208]

>>1228168
There's really good money in fixing the stuff that pajeet fucked up, especially on a short time frame.

[Anonymous No.1228211]

>>1228036
princeton grad here
college is worthless
until wikipedia and the rest start charging 1000 dollars a month to access information on the web, paying 50 thousand dollars a year to learn what you could learn for free is a ridiculous waste..
steve eisman (see steve baum>played by steve carell in the big short) calls the student loan fiasco "subprime goes to college" for good reason..
do i regret graduating princeton? no... its one of the top 3 unversities on the planet
would i regret graduating some fashonista joke like gw or au for 10k more a year than princetons tuition? fuck yeah id regret it...
being a doctor these days is retarded anyways...
in med school they tell you to memorize a few thousand pages worth of textbooks just because the doctor professors are bitter about the fact they all lost their looks/hair back when they suffered in med school themselves... theres no reason to memorize something you can look up in a second..
pretty soon there is going to be a symptom flow chart app/program that allows doctors in mexico to make better life saving decisions than a yale med school professor with 25 yrs exp...
the future of med school will be finding the true geniuses out there who can best use the systems/apps that will save more patients lives...
its like doing calculus with pen and paper and not using a graphing calculator> you still need to understand the fundamentals, but theres no reason to make ur life harder
also, if you think med school means anything, look at this joke of a medical school in one rundown old shit hole building in harlem
(tourocom osteopathic school)

[Anonymous No.1228213]

>>1228211
I don't know anything about you, but from this post alone I can tell you that you are NOT a Princeton grad.

[Anonymous No.1228227]

what about expanding your skill set to become a better engineer.
like learning drafting and design
architechture
gettting a welding certification
learning about cnc and other fabrication techniques
becoming a brick layer/mason/carpenter

unless they cover all this shit in your engineering program.

[Anonymous No.1228228]

>>1228175
Where are you? Sounds absolutely retarded.

I was making 18-20$/hr as a summer student. 60k outta school.

Hell, train engineers get more than that. Move somewhere better dude.

[Anonymous No.1228297]

>>1228227
Good luck. I went to shool for architectural drafting and design. I got an associates in Drafting technology. Upon learning cad and revit, what they don't teach you is codes. I was making 25k as a draftsman for two years. That's shit wages for a shit degree and there are zero jobs hiring for it. Go to school for soemthin that hires way more frequent.

[Anonymous No.1228301]

>>1228213
AWE.... im sorry sweetie!
did ur mommy and daddy tell you that one day you would cross paths with A REAL LIFE princeton graduate and that he would be glowing and enthusiastic and want to be your friend?
sorry poor boy but i probably wouldnt want to be ur friend...
you think that in order to get into princeton you have to act all pc snooty and scholarly..
but really all u need is alot of brains and signs of a personality...
we arent any more mature than u or ur loser friends anon
we are just worlds more capable
but believe what you want...
listen to ur ego

[Anonymous No.1228306]

>>1228301

all I can say is you fucked up if you can't make use of your Princeton degree. The whole point of it is the networking with the upper crust and the prestige of going to Princeton. Not "muh knowledge you can find on wikipedia".

Of course you'd know that if you went there

[Anonymous No.1228384]

>>1228175
lol this must be what its like for people with 2.5 gpa's

[Anonymous No.1228541]

>>1224712
The dweeb that has made this hierarchy is so fucked in the head.. tell me the difference between statistics and finance actuarial mathematics when compared to Accounting? Obviously some nerd that has been raped by student loans trying to get a triple degree wants to show off.

[Anonymous No.1228772]

>>1228306
Mike burry went to ucla undergrad.
Most of my classmates at ptown were overachieving library whores who spent 5 hrs a night studying in hs.
I actually didnt open a math or sci textbook from 7-12th grade. And i still got in.
The fact that it astounds u a princeton graduate would be on 4chins just shows you have a low opinion of people who crave politically incorrect free speech, and that reflects HORRIBLY on your intelligence. The people at princeton who you obviously masterbate to the thought of, bidaily, wouldnt even be able to make friends with the wall streeters who themselves were to dumb to see the crash coming. Thats how far down the chain u are

[Anonymous No.1228775]

Inv4 "too"

[Anonymous No.1228779]

>>1228775
Inb4 inv4

[Anonymous No.1228789]

Hey guys.

I just graduated Jackson State university with a masters in African American History.

With an advanced degree, I should be entitled to at least 70-80k a year starting.

But all the jobs I've been applying to have rejected me and the only ones that have offered interviews are like fast food work and movie theater crew...

If I was white, I'd be rolling in a 100k job right now. Fuck this racist country.

[Anonymous No.1228793]

>>1228301
i-is this what autism looks like?

[Anonymous No.1228827]

>>1225643
>Major in what your passionate about

no this sentence is everything wrong with millenials. its silly to expect a teenager to have a passion for the pigeonholes that college provides.

1) the student is not old enough to have experienced any of the subjects in detail

2) college work is not meant to be fun so any passions that do exist would be challenged instead of nurtured

Instead the student should major in something that will allow them to have the lifestyle they want. "lifestyle" means the things that the person ACTUALLY enjoys (passion) but couldnt get paid to do (video games, sex, eating great food etc,). Training to accomplish hard tasks regularly and efficiently is the most important thing in college.

[Anonymous No.1228833]

>>1224712
Can someone tell me why marketing is just meh? I may be a bit biased since I study it, but isn't it almost as important as the product/service you are selling? I mean you could have the best product, if you don't promote it right people won't buy it. Of course there are exceptions, but still. Also marketing managers earn like 100k.

[Anonymous No.1228835]

>>1225643
>Major in what your passionate about.

I majored in African American History and now I have a job at Arby's and $85,000 in debt.

But at least I'm passionate about what I studied!

[Anonymous No.1228884]

>>1228772

OK well your one example is a dude who went to med school. obviously your undergrad is irrelevant if you go to med school. also why are u creating random stories about me? seems like you're the same as those "library whores", completely detached from reality

[Anonymous No.1228902]

>>1227403
Comp Eng is almost entirely about hardware and is basically a specialized electrical engineer. It's better to go either computer science or electrical engineering. There's a reason the top universities (in UK anyway eg. Oxford, Imperial etc) don't do comp eng degrees. Additionally comp eng earns less on average and is less employable than comp sci.

[Anonymous No.1228910]

>>1228884
I didnt go to med school. Just chipl tho with the idea that no smart ppl hang out here. i wouldnt be surprised if there were hundreds of ivy grads swimming around in the chans

[Anonymous No.1228928]

>>1228910

What's funny is no one said "there are no smart people on chan". That dude just started refuting it.

[Anonymous No.1229186]

>>1224712
what would be a best mayor if i am interest in economics and engineering

[Anonymous No.1229203]

>>1229186
There are many types of engineering. Do you have a preference or do you just care about money?

[Anonymous No.1229206]

>>1227649
Do you mean minor in CS or Graphic Design or Web Design? Can you specify to your admissions that you are just interested in learning web programming HTML/CSS/XML type stuff and not C# stuff? That sounds p cool if so.

[Anonymous No.1229212]

>>1228902
>tfw was going to be a comp eng major but switched to comp sci at the very last minute

[Anonymous No.1229217]

>>1229203
>ering. Do you have a preference or do you just care about money?
i like figuring out how things work and solving problems doesnt really matter as long as i get to do that

[Anonymous No.1229245]

>>1228211
You are really negative about the time/money but do you consider that there are few actual literal skills anymore? Like, yeah of course, DUH computers and robots are going to take over the world.

Us fleshheaps are going to be mercifully jacked into The Matrix and allowed to die off relatively painlessly so robots can take over.

Almost everything can be replaced, computers will program themselves and propagate. CS field destroyed. Androids will learn self repair, Engineering field destroyed. Google replaces libraries & VR replaces museums. Anthropology Robots will discover that all of his happened before... just before we get Matrixed lmao.

What is left? Humans taking care of humans. The care that only human beings can provide. I am not just talking about making a surgery/suture bot but actually going through all the steps. No matter what, nobody subconsciously believes the robot cares for him/her.

All of that book knowledge could probably be uploaded into the brain by a bionics though but still in the end its a irreplaceable skill to know how to restore, repair the body and comfort the weak, infirm, and sick.

Its something only they can do and are allowed to do. To achieve being a doctor is just about the only few future proof jobs that exist and ultimate job flexibility and security. That is increasingly more special.

I think I agree that people are beginning to think training until 30-35 is getting retarded though and that computers/bionics/google glass type shit and using those devices should replace book learning.

All doctors should be easily able to pick up how to read the various computers that give diagnosis and won't cause their lives to be an utter waste though, any more than computers diagnosing cars didn't ruin mechanic profession.

[Anonymous No.1229458]

>>1227855
Aerospace is 40 years behind automotive when it comes to manufacturing and is hugely different. We work in job operations, rarely batch, and never continuous. I've come across one or two people that made the switch. They find that the work really grinds down because every last little thing, down to the last rivet, needs to be documented and controlled.

Which is incredibly difficult when you consider that a single aircraft consists of about 2 million parts

[Anonymous No.1229484]

>>1228168
CS isn't just programming. Additionally you don't need CS if you are just going to be a codemonkey.

[Anonymous No.1229506]

>>1229458
Ayy are you in Toronto by any chance? wanna hire me? I'm in Michigan because I couldn't find a job in Toronto. I fucking hate Michigan and want to move back to Toronto.

[Anonymous No.1229521]

Finance major here

I finished at a US university but through some fucked up circumstances I ended up in Eastern Europe.

Currently I'm trying to do my best to earn 550 euros a month (saving ~150 euros a month) but it's taking far too long. I don't have any debts to pay (thank fuck for that) but it's taking far too long. I don't want to go back to US so I was planning to go to UK, but in UK they need all sorts of certifications barely anyone heard of.

Any advice

[Anonymous No.1229544]

>>1224712
>All these people falling for the college degree well give you a higher income.


It doesn't matter what you major into, what matter is the following.

1. How difficult is it to find a entry level job or internship i.
2. Is there job growth in your profession ?
3. Have you built connections in your industry?
4. Does the field offset the cost for higher education?
5. How competitive is your field's job market, and is it stable?

You can major in a good field, but it doesn't matter if your completing with H1B1 visas.

[Anonymous No.1229552]

>>1227617
I'm a Computer Science new grad and I'm making 90k in LA.
If you can ace interviews 90k+ is pretty common as CS.

[Anonymous No.1229555]

What is the most profitable and stable major? My whole life I've been interested in pursuing art. I still am interested in it as a career, but art school is clearly a huge waste of money. I'm interested in pursing a practical degree while doing art on the side. Any advice?

[Anonymous No.1229662]

>>1225444
t. i think 4chan = more than .01% of societies opinions

[Anonymous No.1229683]

I'm starting business studies in September, I doubt I'm smart enough for finance or econ

[Anonymous No.1229706]

>>1229555
Take extracurricular or courses for art stuff. Get a real degree

t. Art major dropout, it fucking sucks and it is filled with degeneracy

[Anonymous No.1229711]

>>1229706
Yeah I'm pretty commited on avoiding art majors. I'm from NYC, and went to an art high school. So many classmates went to SVA to pursue cartooning majors without a second thought despite the ridiculous amounts of debt they would incur.

[Anonymous No.1229722]

>>1229711
Which art(s) are you main interest though? NYC is artsy fartsy center so I don't think you'd benefit larger from getting an art degree, as it is a lot easier to just go to places like greenwich.

Besides, it works a lot better as just a hobby. Let's say you love painting and you're a plastic arts major, there is an exposition of this artist you really like. Bam, can't afford it due to debt. If you're a biz/finance/accounting major however and have a job, you won't have to worry about the money

[Anonymous No.1229753]

>>1229722
I'm pretty decent at drawing though I still need a lot of practice. Mainly interested in creating comics. From what I hear it's better to try and get recognition from original works published independently or online and become someone sought after, rather than getting a degree and working your way up through Marvel or DC. Would be fine as any kind of illustrator or concept artist too though. I know of a few sketch nights and programs that are much more affordable than college, and I'm sure there are a shit ton of programs I don't know about as well. Currently got a decent idea for a story that I'm working on in my free time. Figure at best it'll either be the start of something larger and at worst a rewarding hobby.

Curious about how I could take advantage of the artsy fartsy types though. I feel like there's gotta be some way to exploit all that shit. Lots of ignorant rich kids and stupid modern art galleries. I got a decent paying job but with the rent constantly rising, I'm not moving out anytime soon unless I step it up. That's why I want to start studying for something more practical.

[Anonymous No.1229763]

>>1229555
Finance/accounting are here forever

[Anonymous No.1229766]

>>1229763
This is the most correct answer.

[Anarcho-Capitalist No.1229780]

I want to either Major in Economics or Computer Science.

However, I am good at math when you put it into simple equations, but I would like as little math as possible.

Which should I choose?
What kind of job could I get?
I am new to /biz/ so don't be too harsh.

[Anarcho-Capitalist No.1229786]

>>1229763
>>1229766
Is there a lot of complex math in those fields, or is it mostly just equations?
I am interested in economics as a whole.

[Anonymous No.1229789]

>>1229780
For econ you don't need to know anything beyond calculus, and then it's only plug and chug. For comp sci, math is somewhat crucial especially early on with loops and shit.

>Which should I choose?
Choose econ if you are in the US.
>What kind of job could I get?
Any office job.

[Anonymous No.1229790]

>>1229786
You don't need to know anything beyond calculus, however having a strong math background is a huge plus especially if you are going into investments and market research.

[Anonymous No.1229791]

>>1229780
Upper level Computer Science is mostly math.
Upper level Economics is mostly math.

By the way, college level math is WAY harder than high school level math.

Choose Accounting if you can get into a top 10 school for the major. You need to keep GPA high and get into the Big 4, or else you'll be fucked working 60+ hours a week for a 40K salary.

[Anarcho-Capitalist No.1229795]

>>1229789
>>Which should I choose?
>Choose econ if you are in the US.
Why specifically for the US?

[Anonymous No.1229798]

>>1224712
>>1226004
Not for nothing but everyone is running around here like Comp Sci/Engineering is a dead career. I hear nothing but the opposite from people in that industry, working as an intern already. The success rate of finding ANY job in finance is subpar at best and I rarely find anyone who doesn't want to off themselves by 40 working as analysts.

[Anonymous No.1230069]

>>1229795
>Why specifically for the US?
Are you seriously asking me why it's a good idea to study economics if you are living in the largest and strongest world economy that has ever existed?

[Anonymous No.1230072]

>>1229786
Finance major here

I hated math in high school because it was mostly bullshit (only 1/4 was calculus, rest was geometrical reasoning and spatial math) and once I went in uni, the math courses were a godsend.

>>1229791
>missing out mandatory internships/work experience

It does way more now than graduating with a high GPA, a lot of people I know who were more concerned about vacations spent overseas completely bombed their chances at working after university because they have no job experience acquired during their time in uni.

By the time you are out of uni, you need at least 3 months work experience if you're doing your Associate's, 6 months if you're doing your degree. The more the better desu.

[Anonymous No.1230080]

>>1229798
>I hear nothing but the opposite from people in that industry
It's called being in denial.

[Anonymous No.1230084]

>>1225416
yeah nah I'd definitely do a PhD. Some people want to play football, I want to invent and innovate technology. But all right, maybe the differences between engineering and applied phys starts to fade at the PhD level, makes sense when I think about it. I'll keep looking into it, but anyways cheersfam

[Anonymous No.1230101]

btw OP here, I've heard a lot of good things about CS + mathematical modelling, a combination most people aren't good at because advanced level math is really hard for most people (so basically hard to outsource). A friend told me about a guy he knows who got a master's in comp sci and then went on to get a PhD in applied mathematics and apparently this guy makes fucking bank working working some finance job.

Can anyone confirm? Does this sound reasonable? It's what I heard anyways but yeah

[Anonymous No.1230101,1]

>>1225761
fuck you and political science