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SP500 futures mooning at open

>> No.9413054

>>9412827
bump stillrising

>> No.9413609

>mooning
>0.19%

>> No.9413681

>>9412827
Nuuuu plz spy pls
Me opened short Friday close plsss

>> No.9413704

>>9413681
What part of golden bull run dont you understand?

>> No.9414549

>>9412827
It's going to take a beating again when the feds do another rate hike.
Can somebody start the /smg/ thread up again?

>> No.9414617

>>9414549
lol no
Do you realize how delicate the yield curve is right now? They arent rising

>> No.9414632

>>9413609

Holy this its up over 1900 one millionths of a dollar!

>> No.9414644

Nasdaq +.40%

>> No.9414669

>>9412827
Watch it dump like bitcoin dumped when futures cameout

>> No.9414709

>>9414617
>how delicate the yield curve is right now?
It's around 0.5% from inversion.
This literally means nothing until it actually inverts.
The feds also only have 2 hikes penciled in, which would put the yield curve right at 0% between 10 years and 2 years.
Yeah, spooky. But, that's only if the gap doesn't widen anymore and the feds actually go through with both rate hikes.

That's what you were getting at, right?

>> No.9414748

>>9414709
It will invert but only on 2020
therefore interest rate hikes not relevant to todays market

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>>9414632
>one millionths of a dollar
>t. brainlet that doesn't understand leverage or options
Will they ever learn?

>> No.9414813

>>9414748
>but only on 2020
>interest rate hikes not relevant to todays market
So many errors here.

First,
>but only on 2020
Why only in 2020? I certainly hope you aren't backing that with the foolish mentality of bull markets dying of old age -- they don't, it's only the result of an underlying issue such as a credit bubble

Second,
>interest rate hikes not relevant to todays market
Jerome Powell said 2 more hikes penciled in. They want room to drop them for when another recession does actually occur.
How could they be "irrelevant" to the current market?

>> No.9414859

>>9414813
No Im referring to debt over wealth cycle
Im not calling for recession either, just a bear market in 2020 when debt over wealth reaches 60% and a flat yield curve

Its all so obvious. But sp500 will be 4000 by then, therefore it doesnt matter

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9414861

>>9412827

>> No.9414951

>>9414859
>debt over wealth cycle
>debt over wealth reaches 60%
I have never heard of this before and couldn't find anything good on Google. Have any good sources for reading about this?

>and a flat yield curve
I've heard a flat yield curve has no correlation with recessions or stock market declines.
Only that a truly inverted yield curve is correlated and that it occurs at least 6 months ahead of a recession.

>> No.9414993

>>9414951
Idk what official terms they have now
like for instance: in 2007 the debt over wealth was 50 trillion to 150 trillion
and now it is 150 trillion to 320 trillion

>> No.9415013

>>9414951

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/an-inverted-yield-curve-is-a-recession-indicator-but-only-in-the-us-2018-05-07

>> No.9415039

basically, the debt to wealth ratio is increasing, which means any further increase to interest rates will literally destroy the world

>> No.9415366

>>9414993
>and now it is 150 trillion to 320 trillion
Where did you get those numbers from? That would help me start to figure out what that means

>>9415013
Seems to confirm my current stance, with the caveat that it only applies to people in the USA, which is all I cared about to begin with desu

>> No.9415410

>>9415366
nigger google 'total us debt to total us welath'
my numbers SLIGHTLY wrong, but percentages are right

>> No.9415422

>>9415366
The point is that the numbers are so small, you might not want to rely on it as an indicator.

It'd be like saying that pink IDs ITT almost always roll 1, 3, or 9 but the 1-3-9 rule doesn't apply to other colors.

>> No.9415466

>>9414861
underrated. I hope this old fudding fuck dies off soon.

>> No.9415497

>>9415466
speak for yourself crypto chump
unless you refer to his IBM fud

>> No.9416318

>>9414549
i don't think this market cares too much about rate hikes, it'll take awhile for the rate hike to effect the market imo

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>>9415466
>>9415497
>not betting on Warren buffet death with BRK.B puts

>> No.9416422

>>9416387
if my grandma live to 99 he can go much longer

>> No.9416433

>>9412827
Helios & Matheson Information T
A twelve dollar stock for 67 cents

>> No.9416456

>>9416318
The previous rate hikes kicked off the VIXplosion in February and the huge tech sell off in March/April.
We have 2 more left for the year.

Btw, I found out where the /smg/ posters are hiding -- the 8ch board that teh profit created

>> No.9416458
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>>9416422
kill your grandma anon
break the cycle

>> No.9416476

>>9416433
I got a strangle on them.
It has over 40% short interest.
It's either going bankrupt or getting a massive short squeeze.

>> No.9416480

How do I short buy the s&p is it like crypto?

>> No.9416499

>>9416476
Ru a pro trader?

>> No.9416500

>>9416456
>Btw, I found out where the /smg/ posters are hiding -- the 8ch board that teh profit created
what board is that? /biz/? i doubt he made it.. do they have /smg/ on there i remember someone saying they were going to make one when 4chan kept shutting down

>> No.9416511

>>9416480
SPXU if you want the 3X bear ETF
SPDN if you're not retarded

>> No.9416534

>>9416499
>Ru a pro trader?
i am

buy BGFV and MNKD

>> No.9416561

>>9416499
lol no

>>9416500
The board name is autism incorporated /tisminc/
They're trying to keep it low profile
If you're a phone poster, good apps are omnichan and overchan

>> No.9416564

>>9416456
infinity chan is the communist honeypot, dont go there

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>>9416534
Don't forget CARV and good ol' TVIX incorporated

>>9416564
>infinity chan is the communist honeypot, dont go there
I've heard that before.
I fucking hate commies. Don't they have a very large leftypol community?
I have no fucking idea how anybody can believe in communism in the 21st century.

>> No.9416646

>>9416561
>The board name is autism incorporated /tisminc/
https://imgur.com/RejB0CI

>>9416564
>infinity chan is the communist honeypot
it really is.. i don't even want to post there

>> No.9416713

>>9416646
>The board name is autism incorporated /tisminc/
I wasn't joking, to be clear

>>9416646
>it really is
Maybe that's why teh profit wants the board to keep a low profile
Is it not just contained to their leftypol board? How bad is it and any stories or how it got like this?

>> No.9416766

>>9416611
yes leftypol rAids biz but so far they appear to have left, since the markets are going up and they lost all there money shorting
we did it!

>> No.9416767

>>9416713
>I wasn't joking, to be clear
i know.. i already went to it

>>9416713
pedos

>> No.9416875

>>9416476
I'm willing to bet they survive. They have several months of operating income and have been adding tons of marketing.

>> No.9416978

>>9416387
> thinking it's not priced in
> the absolute state of bizlets

>> No.9417081

>>9416766
>leftypol rAids biz
I had never noticed them do that.
I see bear posters all the time, but I don't consider them alone to be communist since short selling is pretty normal.

>>9416767
>pedos
Kek. Yeah, more pedos in 8ch
Reminds me a bit of what I've heard about old 4ch with WT snacks. There still are a few lurking pedos here, but they're not nearly as brazen.

>>9416875
>I'm willing to bet they survive
I wouldn't be surprised if they do too. I'm just not going to count on that shit.

>>9416978
You've got a point.
>>9416387
The death of Steve jobs actually seemed to have a negligible impact on AAPL stock.

>> No.9417149

>>9417081
short selling is not normal
Its newbs thats dont understand the current market or Communists that hate economic growth

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>>9417081
I usually choose one thing every year or so to invest 5% of my portfolio on, a risky thing. This is my longshot, but if they rebalanced their books and I made 75k out of 5k I would be more than happy. If it fails, eh whatever maybe next time. It sounds like the model works they just need more scale, and with amt up marketing endeavors my chips are on the table.

>> No.9417175

>>9416511
looks like SPDN for me

>> No.9417212

>>9417149
I'm loaded up on $1k of puts as a hedge against another fall in SPY, but also it's of MAT, AMRS, P, UAA, GPRO, BKS, GE which are all shit.
Would you bet money that their outlook is really going to improve?
Some people are just better at spotting duds than diamonds

>> No.9417226

>>9417212
GE is an american icon

>> No.9417248

>>9417212
I dont do options or short the market unless I get the rare indicator that we enter a bear market

I can say this: Never EVER bet against the SP500, NEVER DO THIS. Ok as a hedge sure, but even so, considering the sp500 outperforms everything and is the #1 defensive, theres no point in even hedging it

>> No.9417325

>>9417166
Ok, it's your fun money. Fair enough.

>>9417226
I'd say that I, at the very minimum, agree that it WAS an American icon. But it may have reached obsolescence.
I'm sure that it won't go bankrupt nor is it really at risk of going bankrupt. However, it seems they need to do some serious pruning in order to improve their competitiveness, and a $120B market cap seems generous for what I think will be left when they're done.

>> No.9417341

>>9416978
Millions of shares move a day because of BREAKING: WARREN BUFFETT DID THIS you're retarded if you think that his death can be priced in because a lot of people try to copy his moves and ride his coat tails to the moon.

>> No.9417345

>>9417325
Have you checked your house to see how many GE products you own? because all my refrigerator and microwave and is GE

>> No.9417351

>>9417248
>NEVER DO THIS.
Agreed.
My strategy is that the most I'll ever do is just deleverage myself or simply switch to cash.

>> No.9417360

My Fan: Honeywell

Im going to buy Honeywell tommrow
This is my stratgey

>> No.9417371

Check my Refiegeror: General mills and pepsico products, with also many Krat Heinz products

I will buy these tommrow, they are on sale, this is my startagey

>> No.9417381

>>9417345
That's true, but when was the last time you bought a brand new one of those?
I think there's a fair share of competitors now too.

>> No.9417390

>>9417381
I think they make trains and medical equipment also

>> No.9417407

>>9417381
I havent, but part of my startegy is going to stores and seeing what has the most impact
so tommrow I will go to lowes and home depot after market close and Spy on them

>> No.9417438

>>9417390
>>9417407
All I know is that GE is cutting shit and that Wall Street doesn't like them right now.

>> No.9417508

>>9417438
thats a good buy signal
As Buffet once said: Buy when theres Haunted houses

>> No.9417607

>>9417438
>Wall Street doesn't like them right now.
this is important.. some stocks wallstreet just doesn't like but yet they become undervalued and then when they start to gain traction all of a sudden wallstreet likes them again.

>>9417508
>thats a good buy signal
problem is the waiting for accumulation

>> No.9417619

>drive down the freeway
>see a lot of Penske Vehicles
>remember the Penske episode of seinfeld
>Buy Penske stock
This is my stratgey

>> No.9417632

>>9417508
>>9417607
Yeah, I'm just a filthy market chaser for the most part.
I wanted to hedge my risk against SPY dumping, and they're just what seemed best.

>> No.9417687

HMNY is going to be 33 cents on Wednesday. The bears are going to keep on winning until just under 25 cents. From there, the shorts will slowly close and we'll see a good run until August.

>> No.9417796

>>9417341
it's priced in because the volatility is higher than it would have been if he were much younger

in other words, you're paying a premium on puts

if anything, it's probably more profitable to sell puts for a few years and hoping he doesn't die because the REALIZED volatility is USUALLY lower than implied volatility

>> No.9417840

when bufffet dies Berkshire will moon
Why? because uncertainty will be gone, and buffet already chose a team to carry on berkshires investment stratgey

>> No.9418335

>>9417687
I don't know man, the CEO already made a statement this weekend and I think shorts may get hit Monday

>> No.9418343

>>9414549
implying they wont let it rise indefinitely
implying they will raise rates meaningfully ever again
implying they can do anything else

>> No.9418378

nikkei up a gajillion points

>> No.9419189
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Regardless of rate hikes, NTNX is going to start shooting up, just like OKTA has been doing. Buy in while you can anons!
Also buy BILI, IQ, and of course SHOP if you want to see 20%+ gains within a fast amount of time.
I don’t have any BILI, because my money is split between SHOP, OKTA, and NTNX, among other things. But I really do believe BILI and IQ will hit thirty within a year. Good luck tomorrow anons.