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[Anonymous No.9045370]

https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/987284883457310721

What's Vitalik's end game? I hate this fucking kid.

[Anonymous No.9045463]

>>9045370
confirmed oinionboy

[Anonymous No.9045466]

He's just pointing out that that guy's tweet is fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.9045483]

wow he eats GMOs

[Anonymous No.9045520]

>>9045370
I am disgusted by people who look up to Vitalik

[Anonymous No.9045567]

>>9045370
Why would you use this tweet to show why you hate him?

[Anonymous No.9045587]

>>9045370
Wow that pedo really told that guy!

[Fuckvitalik No.9045606]

>>9045567
Lmao I cant believe the tweet where Vitalik defended child porn

[Anonymous No.9045610]

>>9045466
this.
it's vitalik taking a shot at nassim for being a talentless hack. vitalik is moving up in the world. very alpha play.

>>9045520
bow before him pleb.

[Anonymous No.9045620]

He's LITERALLY autistic, I don't know what you faggots are expecting.

[Anonymous No.9045640]

>>9045610
Nassim new books are garbage basically. If he was really that good of an economist he'd already be in crypto. The guy can only teach

[Anonymous No.9045661]

>>9045370
He’s educated beyond his maturity.

And he’s still a brainlet compared to Craig Satoshi Wright

[Anonymous No.9045675]

>>9045370
He's just making fun of the guy's Tyson de Grasse-level tweets, you have issues if this makes you hate him.

>>9045606
you can't believe it because that was not his intention. retard

[Anonymous No.9045682]

Never curse our sacred money skelly

[Anonymous No.9045687]

>itt: insecure ALPHA basedboys who will never make it dogpiling on a literal genius who basically helped make the scene they're hoping to make it off of
gross

[Anonymous No.9045715]

>>9045370
Wtf is that sand nigger trying to say? Bet 45 mins and a week? That gmo are an intellectual fraud? What?

[Anonymous No.9045717]

>>9045687
This

[Anonymous No.9045736]

>GMOs are a fraud because P/NP
>Oh I get it instantly now
what a stupid tweet lmao

[Anonymous No.9045895]

He still didn't explain why GMO would be bad. He's just a fucking organic food retard.

[Anonymous No.9045921]

something something free cheese pizza for everyone

[Anonymous No.9045964]

>>9045715
>Wtf is that sand nigger trying to say?
This. I need a translation
>intellectual fraud
I those jews were smart and witty and shit, this doesn't make any sense

[Anonymous No.9046031]

>>9045964
He's against GMO because they have unknown ecosystemic effects up to and including total catastrophe. He's saying he can explain it easily to computer scientists who know about p/np. He's also saying that people who think supporting GMO are on the side of Sciience! (aka your average redditor who has an iq of 98 but wants to look smart) but actually they're just useful idiots and don't understand anything.

[Anonymous No.9046059]

>>9046031
Can you explain p/np to a brainlet

[Anonymous No.9046146]

>>9046059
It's the traveling salesman problem.
>how to reach every most efficiently
Not relevant at all to this besides dick flexing about
>muh academic knowledge

[Anonymous No.9046168]

>>9046146
every CS student learns about this in their first year, it's not even esoteric or anything. I genuinely don't get how it relates to GMOs

[Anonymous No.9046171]

>>9045370
I don't think he should engage in random discussion on twitter (it might hurt Ethereum's brand), but he's right.

[Anonymous No.9046181]

>>9046168
it has nothing to do with GMOs.

Taleb is just trying to flex his supposed academic knowledge to make himself look smart.

[Anonymous No.9046186]

>>9045606
You can't believe it because you didn't read the context of his tweet and/or you didn't understand his point.

[Anonymous No.9046196]

Why is Vitalik talking with the person who shot up YouTube HQ? I thought they died

[Anonymous No.9046197]

>>9046171
Elon Musk engages in random online discussions on Twitter all the time and people still invest in him. TSLA is still chugging along

[Anonymous No.9046274]

>>9046059
P - polynomial time, set of problems that can be solved + verified in polynomial time
NP - non-polynomial time, set of problems that may be able to be verified, but cannot be solved in polynomial time
if P = NP, every NP problem is really just a P problem that we haven't found a good polynomial time solution for yet
if P != NP, NP problems are their own special class where no polynomial time solution exists

traveling salesman is the classic NP problem example, but there are many others
there is also a fancy subset of NP called NP-complete, basically an NP-complete problem is a special problem, that you can represent ALL other NP problems as a version of. A polynomial time solution to any NP-complete problem, would be trivial to transform into a polynomial solution to ALL NP problems, and would constitute proof that P = NP.

also buy BCH

[Anonymous No.9046349]

>>9045895
Taleb's a tail risk manager. To him, GMO's are something whose effects are difficult to calculate in advance but easy to verify afterwards if/when they do, indeed, fuck shit up.

Whether modern transgenics are really all that different from ancient and current selective breeding is debatable, but that's how Taleb's getting the P-NP analogy.

[Anonymous No.9046369]

>>9046168
IT has to do with the potential ecosytemic implications of genetic drift. You don't know how bad you fucked up until it's unfixable.

[Anonymous No.9046386]

>>9045466
>doesn’t know who one of the greatest staticians is
Okay retard. Guy has made more from trading than you can possibly imagine.

[Anonymous No.9046439]

>>9046059
P is the stuff you can find easy.
Np you could search forever and never find exactly what you’re looking for
What he’s saying is that it’s very difficult to determine the outcome of gmo due to it being an np problem. Something you can’t just apply a simple solution to.

[Anonymous No.9046447]

>>9046349
Every single action you take has effects. How does he justify his claim that GMOs are riskier than anything else we do and therefore require special risk management.

[Anonymous No.9046459]

>>9046439
Never finding what you’re looking for is what happens when you don’t have enough info or enough cpu that is.

[Anonymous No.9046478]

>>9046447
Because the parameters are basically infinite with dna. It’s chaos balanced by processes we don’t understand

[Anonymous No.9046564]

>>9046181

This dudes a complete tool. He talks with authority on shit he knows fuck all about. Even in his own field. He’s written entire books about economic concepts he scarcely understands. Antifragile is one such example. Fucking obnoxious too. Sam Harris has a story about him.

[Anonymous No.9046580]

pseuds tweeting at pseuds

[Anonymous No.9046584]

>>9046478
But that's true for nearly everything in the universe. You jerking off to trap porn might be a pivotal decision that leads to nuclear warfare.

[Anonymous No.9046710]

>>9046584
You are conflating changing the code of a system (ie inflicting changes to biology which would take eons to evaluate the outcome) to what modern psychology could predict. I shouldn't have to explain why these are two very different problems. Human psychology is pretty well understood and its why people walk around with guns to ensure total collapse doesn't happen.

[Anonymous No.9046727]

>>9046274
>also buy BCH
rip credibility

[Anonymous No.9046786]

>>9046197
He's not discussing heroin and child porn though. I think you should be very careful what you say it public when you're the face of a huge project.

[Anonymous No.9046796]

>>9046710
mfw then whatever we do is a P=NP problem. what DO we know everything about.

what this shill is basically saying is that we don't know everything about the long-term effects of GMOs. do we know the long-term effects of exposure to gasoline in the air? or cellphone use?

everything can be seen that way.

[Anonymous No.9046816]

>>9046786
or maybe burgers shouldn't get all worked up. you know your politicians and celebrities are all fucking kids, right? i mean, you guys basically accept that. why is what vitalik said so outrageous in comparison

[Anonymous No.9046828]

>>9045370
What's the problem here? Vitalik isn't wrong. There's nothing inherently wrong with GMO foods. Literally every single thing we eat is GMO one way or another. On top of that, GMO foods are often designed to have higher densities of nutrients and be naturally insect repellent so harmful pesticides aren't needed to be used in large quantities. Why do literal brainlets think GMO = poison, when all it is is changing the DNA of the plant to create more favorable and nutritious food. It's not like shooting lead and mercury into food, it's simply changing it's genes to make it better. Christ people are dumb.

[Anonymous No.9046836]

>>9046710
>to what modern psychology could predict
Jack shit. The best statisticians around couldn't even accurately predict the outcome of the most important election in the world.

[Anonymous No.9046855]

>>9046836
fuck
>this

[Anonymous No.9046858]

>>9046796
yeah but one of the crucial things you are missing which computer scientists tend to think about is rates of change.

if a crop reproduces every year then the effect grows exponentially without any interaction while any given technological advancement has an upper limit as a function of human population size as well as policy changes.

Which thing is going to get out of hand really quickly with very little ability to put on the breaks? sure CO2 emissions are of the same category but we are talking about rates of change with DNA which are unprecedented.

If people die from a cellphone that sucks but who cares, you're comparing ecological meltdown to increases in cancer rates.

[Anonymous No.9046869]

>>9046836
They're closer to propaganda outlets, not unbiased statisticians. Nate Silver gave trump like 1/3 chance to win iirc which sounds about right.

[Anonymous No.9046880]

>>9046836
>Jack shit. The best statisticians around couldn't even accurately predict the outcome of the most important election in the world.
yeah those weren't totally biased or anything

[Anonymous No.9046915]

>>9046274
>also buy BCH
ya blew it

[Anonymous No.9046957]

>>9046828
they're genetically modified to be pathogen and herbicide resistant so they can spray them with round-up

[Anonymous No.9046995]

>>9046880
>statistician
>biased
>not a statistician

[Anonymous No.9047065]

taleb is a huckster

[Anonymous No.9047100]

>>9045466
but that guy's tweet ISN'T fucking retarded
GMOs are an absolute fucking scam
GMO companies patent the genes, put it into seeds, and then when one farmer buys it and plants it, ALL farmers in the surrounding area get sued for patent infringement
whether GMOs hurt people or not (and you'd have the iq of a fucking napkin to think that random genetic mutations induced on a plant by a company that has it in with the regulatory board that allows them to sell this shit in the first place could not possibly be dangerous, jesus fucking christ), it's all a giant fucking scam that has never produced anything of value
they rely on people like you to exist so that you can waste your precious limited passion and life force on defending their global scam on its purported nobility and how "pro-science" it is, you dumb fucking prey

[Anonymous No.9047107]

>>9047100
>never produced anything of value
sauce?

[Anonymous No.9047112]

>>9047100
Hi Nassim.

Nice seeing you on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.9047115]

>>9047100
The computer science part of it is retarded, though.

[Anonymous No.9047116]

>>9046836

So by your logic all risks are equivalent? So for example developing and testing an extremely virulent airborne biological pathogen is as risky as developing a slightly light M14? That is the level of understanding you have of risk analysis.

Risk analysis = distribution of probable outcomes multiplied by their danger. Creating a super virus = reasonably high risk shit goes wrong and if it does go wrong it goes REALLY wrong.

The net sum of every scenario where GMOs cause severe problems is sufficiently high that when balanced with the statistical risks it isnt worth it. These are boundary limits. Your absurdism/fatalistic 'muh butterfly' bullshit does nothing because by its very own implication any and all decisions are rendered meaningless, we may as well stop even planting crops in the first place because what if by planting them we end up attracting some alien species that is addicted to wheat and enslaves us all.

Fucking brainlet.

[Anonymous No.9047128]

>>9047100
Do you consider Norman Borlaug's work with wheat to be genetic modification? Why or why not?

[Anonymous No.9047221]

>>9046828
GMO is bad because the companies that use it own any plant that gets POLLENATED by their plant. So once their pollen has spread everywhere, they will own all the crops in the world. They will literally sue any farmer in farms that are next to their farms because the wind blows their pollen to the neighboring farm and then the other farmer is "infringing on their copyright". Watch he documentary "Food, Inc."

Vitalik is either REALLY stupid and naive, or just a tool of the establishment. I.e., an actor who never invented anything, whose job is purely PR oriented.

[Anonymous No.9047240]

>>9047116
genetic modification is a far more controlled and precise process than traditional breeding. You're introducing a gene into a plant with a reasonable understanding of what will happen, whereas traditional breeding is a process which results in totally unpredictable combinations of genetic material. The concept of GMOs becoming these deadly or environmentally catastrophic organisms was seeded by hippies and sci-fi nonsense, not grounded scientific knowledge.

[Anonymous No.9047249]

>>9046274
> NP = non-polynomial time
NP actually stands for non-deterministic polynomial time, which means that it can be solved in polynomial time, if we used a non-deterministic Turing machine. Which is precisely why the argument in the post that OP linked to is ridiculous.. The problem they are talking about regarding GMOs is clearly NOT in the class NP, as even if we were given an assignment of all of the potential variables involved in producing GMOs, we couldnt instantly just check the answer and see the results; much in the same way that if we are given the state of a chess board and given a series of moves, we cannot check whether the game reaches an end game state or not, you still have to play the game out. The "GMO problem" is exponential complexity at best. whatever your opinion is about vitalik, that nassim nicholas taleb has absolutely no idea what he's talking about...

[Anonymous No.9047254]

>>9046710
only really in america my friend

[Anonymous No.9047272]

>>9046274
>also buy BCH
KYS brainlet

[Anonymous No.9047284]

>>9047221
That's a problem with legislation, not with GMO plants. Look at the bigger picture.

[Anonymous No.9047313]

>>9047100
If nothing else convinces you that GMOs are fine, this ought to.

[Anonymous No.9047330]

>>9047240

Your original point wasn't that the process was well understood and controlled, you were literally arguing that the risks were irrelevant because everything is risky.

Regardless I am a literal Biomedical chemist and I can tell you for an absolute fact that there's a lot less 'precision' and 'predictability' in this shit than you seem to think. Stop idolising 'science' and release that the prime incentive is and always will be making money and that money blinds people.

[Anonymous No.9047349]

>>9047330
>that the risks were irrelevant because everything is risky
No, the risks are overinflated by people emotionally biased against GMOs.

[Anonymous No.9047371]

>>9047249
bad example, sorry, just woke up. given a set of N moves, you can check whether a chess game reaches an end game state in N steps, so of course that is in NP. a better example would be to ask "given the current state of the board, what is the optimal move" which is basically what "the GMO problem" is posing

[Anonymous No.9047446]

>>9047371
>>9047249
>>9047240
brainlets cannot even fathom the depths of how difficult it is to understand the effects of changing DNA and reduce the problem into simple analogies they can understand.

[Anonymous No.9047461]

GMOs really need to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.

Glyphosate-resistant crops let farmers drown their fucking fields in glyphosate. Consequently, higher concentrations of glyphosate residue end up in the final product. The carcinogenicity of glyphosate is up in the air right now, and there is a nonzero possibility we're all giving ourselves liver cancer by eating GMO corn chips and meat raised on GMO corn.

Golden rice on the other hand is rice with a gene inserted that makes it produce vitamin A. That's literally it. It's just more nutritious and keeps a lot of thai babies from getting goiter or rickets or whatever the fuck it is you get when you don't get vitamin A.

The technique is no more or less dangerous than selective breeding. It's just what you do with it that may or may not be dangerous.

[Anonymous No.9047472]

>>9047313
>this

[Anonymous No.9047495]

>>9047446
Yeah Taleb's analogy wasn't very good.

[Anonymous No.9047497]

Watch "Consumed" if you have netlfix. It's a fictional movie based on companies like Monsanto.

[Anonymous No.9047588]

>>9047495
>Yeah Taleb's analogy wasn't very good.
thinking about things and thinking about the outcomes of things are the same thing.

sure man

[Anonymous No.9047684]

>>9047588
but the point is that solving P=NP in the affirmative is not going to make the problem any easier like it will with classic NP problems like vehicle routing and password cracking. It will change a lot of things, but this particular problem will still be just as hard, because it is harder than NP problems. regardless of what you think about his argument, the analogy he made, that "the GMO problem" is in NP, is bad

[Anonymous No.9047706]

Computer Science is for literal brainlets

[Anonymous No.9047798]

>>9047684
dude it obviously went over your head because he's not making a claim about solving that problem.

Hes not even making the claim that GMOs work or not, he's saying that its impossible to affirmatively know that GMOs will not blow up in our face. Given all the technology which has blown up in our face this isn't really a bold claim by any means.

The burden of proof is on others but it requires experiment results which are impossible to provide.

e.g. make 100 planets and fuck with the genes of life on those planets and come back and tell me what happens. this is an impossible experiment and its the only way to affirm the claims which have been made about GMO safety.

[Anonymous No.9047802]

>>9045370
hes eager to join the ranks of the global elite. this is unvirtue signalling to the power structure that hes totally cool with poisoning the general population and is encouraging the sheeple that follow him to consume products linked in study after study (including monsantos own studies they were sued into releasing) to leaky gut syndrome, cancer, and infertility.

are you surprised. hes a genious and an autistic sociopath that sees the rest of us as animals.

also, LOOK INTO HIS EYES, if you cant see the evil there you are fucking blind. look at that mans face and tell me you would be ok with him babysitting your kids for the night.

possibly his whole backstory is bullshit and he was selected by the establishment to perform this role. same as bill gates or the zuck.

ethereum cant be trusted

i dont even want to buy any now

[Anonymous No.9047828]

>>9047798
to add onto what exactly is happening here vitalk is basically supporting any claims made by people at monsanto about being super sure that nothing bad will happen.

that in my opinion is the retarded side of the argument. vitalk is the person making claims to know things not nassim

[Anonymous No.9047882]

>>9046349
>Whether modern transgenics are really all that different from ancient and current selective breeding is debatable
thats just some bullshit they tell you. you cant take the genes from one species and put them in another through selective breeding.

do you have any idea how complex the ffects of gene alteration can be. you change one gene and it effects things generations later you cant even predict. eating this shit when no proper studies have been done, when the few studies that have been done show its not safe. eating this shit is the height of ignorance.

its eugenics. put poison in the food supply, ideally something that makes people infertile within a few generations. and then warn people its poison. those smart enough not to eat it dont get killed off. so in a horrible way maybe theres a silver lining here if it makes the race stronger killing off gullible twats.

[Anonymous No.9047896]

>>9046796
yes we do know the effects of cellphones and its not good. the studies all came out in the last year and its pretty fucking conclusive that if you put a phone in your pocket every day and sleep beside it at night youre fucked. youre just fucked. stop that shit now or you are fucking dead. its that simple.

[Anonymous No.9047903]

>>9046796
also diesel fumes in the air lead to alzheimers

you assume we dont know this shit because its not reported in msm. because the people who own msm are the ones doing this to us.

there is an establishment, and it hates us. figure it out

[Anonymous No.9047943]

Vitalik is an absolute cunt.

[Anonymous No.9047947]

>>9046828
> Literally every single thing we eat is GMO one way or another
gmo shills like to lump selective breeding in with transgenics. even though in common english when someone says gmo they really mean transgenic.

so right off the bat we have a disingenuous person here.

80% of the corn, onions, sugar, and canola is gmo unless otherwise stated. and this shit is in all processed foods. easy enough to avoid if you dont eat processed garbage soft kill poison eugenics food from bilderburg globalist food corps

>that sounds crazy
life is crazy bud. doesnt mean im wrong

gmos have been banned in many countries including scotland and russia.

[Anonymous No.9047958]

Ethereum will be number 1 cryptocurrency. You can twist as many of Vitalik a tweets as you like in any way you want and nothing is going to change that outcome.

[Anonymous No.9047974]

>>9047903
welp, do you think your average billionaire that owns major shares in these companies don't do anything your average joe does? does he not breath this shit because he knows it's bad? hell no, he breaths it and doesn't give a single fuck, just like me, and you.

source: am a billionaire and own shares in Shell.

[Anonymous No.9047977]

>>9045370
270 IQ pleb stay mad

[Anonymous No.9047978]

>>9047798
> thinks i thought he said he was solving P=NP
he gave an explanation of NP complete problems and then goes on to ask if the determination of harm from GMOs is in this complexity class, with the implication that he thinks it is. my point is that problems in this class are very special in that if someone was to suddenly one day find out that P=NP, every problem in that class would suddenly be very easy to solve (vehicle routing, boolean satisfiability, etc) and i dont agree that "the GMO problem" WOULD become easy to solve if we suddenly found out that P=NP. the problem he describes is at least exponential, so he should have said that it was NP-hard at the very least.
Its a semantic argument, i know, but if he is going to use an unrelated concept to try and give intellectual weight to his arguments, he should make sure he knows what he is talking about, or else it is hard to take him seriously in the other things he says. It was an unnecessary analogy and a bad one at that..

[Anonymous No.9047980]

>>9046836
dude those were fake polls
real polls predicted a 50% chance for trump more or less. (while new york times predicted a 99% chance of hillary victory lol)
all the msm polls said one thing, every other fucking poll said something else. the methodology was flawed on purpose, it is so easy to bullshit a poll that you shouldnt trust a poll unless you understand exactly how the poll was conducted

[Anonymous No.9047997]

>>9047100
exactly

[Anonymous No.9048033]

>>9047240
>You're introducing a gene into a plant with a reasonable understanding of what will happen
thats the problem, they know what theyre doing, and the shits still dangerous. what does that tell me, that theyre trying to kill us. slowly of course, from many different directions. while lowering fertility. its population control thats all.

meanwhile the effects generations down the hard cant be predicted at all. would be hilarious if after some mutations generations later their precious gmo soft kill poison actually becomes healthy by accident. that would be rich. but i doubt that will happen

[Anonymous No.9048037]

>>9047461

First good post in the thread desu

[Anonymous No.9048047]

>>9048033
>generations down the road

[Anonymous No.9048054]

>>9047802
this. vitalik is in with the global elites. just look at his pedo quotes. ethereum is globalist organization and the elites are fond of it.

[Anonymous No.9048073]

>>9047974
the people doing this to us are so evil that they dont care if they kill themselves and their children in the process of harming us.

you dont uinderstand evil. its the opposite of good. and just like how a truly good person will risk his life to save another; a truly evil person will risk his like to hurt others.

evil people are in power. because good people are naive and cant understand or even believe in true evil. they do what they do right out in the open, its not a big secret, doesnt have to be.

[Anonymous No.9048084]

>>9047947

Ah yes Scotland and Russia the global leaders of science

[Anonymous No.9048109]

>>9047313
>>9047472
>being convinced gmos are fine without looking at a single study or article outside of the mainstream establishment press. being convinced gmos are fine just because you dont like a comment made by someone who doesnt like gmos

protip: theres a reason the guy arguing gmos sounds retarded, because vitalik doesnt want to be debating a dude that knows his shit on this issue. this is propaganda in the 21st century

[Anonymous No.9048125]

>>9047349
the risks are underinflated by people who blindly believe everything theyre told by the mainstream. people who judge the truth by consensus and view anything outside as the norm as literally crazy.

[Anonymous No.9048175]

>>9047461
reasonable post

considering that monsanto is the chemical company the dowsed us soldiers with agent orange during vietnam, im not likely to trust their motives. also the establishment and government cant be trusted, the peer review process in science is a fucking joke and you can read peer reviewd studies proving that delibrately fraudulant studies can get published in a major science journal no problem. just slap a major scienst or universities name on the study and it becomes a popularity contest where all the brown nose scientists quickly approve the study. its scientism. the fda didnt even look at monsantos own studies on bt corn before rubber stamping that shit as accepted safe.

[Anonymous No.9048190]

>>9045370
to redistribute the means of production

[Anonymous No.9048197]

>>9047798
no fuck you its totally safe i love science and trust the government

[Anonymous No.9048296]

>>9047896
Sauce

[Anonymous No.9048304]

>>9048175
lol at you cucks
it was the us army who dowsed us soldiers with agent orange

[Anonymous No.9048311]

>>9048084
>muh science
science isnt about mainstream consensus, youre thinking of scientism, thats what youre into

the gmo corn corss pollinates with non gmo corn. and thats why scotland and russia banned it. because you have a choice, your country can have gmo corn or natural corn. if you try to do both cross pollination fucks everything up. they chose natural corn, that stuff weve been safely eating for centuries. even if your too willfully ignorant to be a conspiracy theorist theres a risk reward calculation here. unknown long term risk for poor reward. easy choice

[Anonymous No.9048324]

>>9048296
aright just give me a minute. there are two studies that come to mind but ill need some time to find them again

[Anonymous No.9048365]

>>9045370
He's a commie jew.

[Anonymous No.9048369]

>>9045370
>GMOs are an intellectual fraud
What is this even supposed to mean?

[Anonymous No.9048388]

Monsanto should be added to that soiboy pic that has all the logos

[Anonymous No.9048485]

>>9048296
>“If you keep the device by your body you will exceed the safety limits provided by the FCC.”

https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/15/dont-keep-cell-phones-next-to-your-body-california-health-department-warns/

>The CDPH recommends not keeping your phone in your pocket, not putting it up to your ear for a prolonged amount of time, keeping use low if there are two bars or less, not sleeping near it at night and to be aware that if you are in a fast-moving car, bus or train, your phone will emit more RF energy to maintain the connection.

i know people will just dismiss this but i dont really care. also what this article fails to mention is that this was known for many years and only recently released by order of a judge. "Draft and Not for Public Release," is what it said. hilarious

[Anonymous No.9048496]

>>9045370
>guy who created a shitcoin which is literally _the_ platform for ponzi schemes calls himself a computer scientist

kek

[Anonymous No.9048548]

>>9048496
vitalik is a fucking genius, credit where credit is due. i hate the guy and i think he knows gmos are bad, he wants to join the club, become one of the elite, and that involves letting the elite know where he stands and that hes willing to play ball with their agendas. either that or hes just swallows mainstream consenus scientism as absolute truth due to extreme naivety.

[Anonymous No.9048682]

>>9048296
>>9048485
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23248293
https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/ucb%E2%80%99s-joel-moskowitz-springs-suppressed-cell-phone-health-guidance-prepared-cal-dept-public-health
http://www.pathophysiologyjournal.com/article/S0928-4680(14)00064-9/abstract
http://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2011/pdfs/pr208_E.pdf
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/05/26/055699.full.pdf
https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/ucb%E2%80%99s-joel-moskowitz-springs-suppressed-cell-phone-health-guidance-prepared-cal-dept-public-health
http://www.ipsonet.org/proceedings/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Paper-11-Cell-Phones-Electromagnetic-Radiation-and-Cancer.pdf
http://jme.bmj.com/content/37/4/249?sid=905cb3bc-a961-4710-8544-5f0509a6b599
http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124
http://wifiinschools.org.uk/30.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24927498
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0006446
https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-13-39A1.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4416385/

>cellphones are safe, i know this because i trust that if it wasnt safe they would tell us and the general public would listen and i would hear about it
LOL

already everybody, eat shit, goodnight

[Anonymous No.9048683]

>>9048109
source on someone with a reputation that doesn't sound retarded saying GMOs are made by the devil?

[Anonymous No.9048702]

>>9048682
i meant to write alright and i wrote already. really ruins the eloquence of my statement suggesting that you all eat shit

[Anonymous No.9048729]

>>9048683
why bother
you assume that if it wasnt safe they would tell you and the general public would listen and youd hear about it.

as long as you have that assumption there will be no getting through to you.

[Anonymous No.9048760]

>>9048084
> who are james watt, alexander fleming, lord kelvin, alexander graham bell, john logie baird, james clerk maxwell...?
> mfw i cant name any russian scientists other than alexander popov and andrey kolmogorov. but thats mccarthyism for you...!

[Anonymous No.9048831]

>>9048683
https://previa.uclm.es/Actividades/repositorio/pdf/doc_3721_4666.pdf
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0069805
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23756170
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/tx1001749
http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/15/4/1416
https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/detection-of-glyphosate-residues-in-animals-and-humans-2161-0525.1000210.pdf
http://www.organic-systems.org/journal/81/8106.pdf
http://static.aboca.com/www.aboca.com/files/attach/news/risk_assessment_of_genetically_modified_crops_for_nutrition.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17017038
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19146501
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12355105

granted, a lot of these studies are more about glyphosate then gmos specifically. but all the gmos on the shelf right now are glyphosate resistant allowing them to dump fuckloads of the stuff on plants. healping weeds build tolerence over time so they have to keep upping the dose.

of course you will nitpick until you can find a single thing you dont like and then dismiss the rest. i know full well that im not going to get through to you at all. this is more for the benfit of people that are legit curious

[Anonymous No.9048867]

im going to bump this thread because it really breaks my heart that all the dudes on here i talk to daily are being poisoned deliberately

please bump to spread awareness. goodnight frens

[Anonymous No.9048898]

Hi, Reddit here. Not convinced.

[Anonymous No.9049225]

>>9048867
Based anon thanks for the links

[Anonymous No.9049265]

Can someone explain how the P - NP problem relates to GMOs?

[Anonymous No.9049344]

>>9047240
You're exactly what he's talking about in the original tweet. We know that changing a single gene can affect more than one aspect of genetic expression. So you modify corn to produce BT, but it could have so other unknown effect (reduced resistance to some other pathogen, for example) that can't possibly realized until much, much later.

Transgenics is truly fucking retarded, but often masquerades as helping people.

[Anonymous No.9049346]

>>9046828
Don’t open your mouth again. Biochem fag here. Splicing dna from bugs into tomatoes is not even close to slevetive breeding. Also lead arsenate is regularly used by many large gmo farms as a pesticide. Also the food is much less nutritious.

[Anonymous No.9049354]

>>9045483

>implying vitalik eats

[Anonymous No.9049375]

>>9049265
it doesnt. he's just using it to make his argument sound technical and sophisticated

[Anonymous No.9049397]

>>9047107
Sauce? 1000s of years of evolution surviving on NATURAL crop farming.

If i isnt broke, dont fix it. Monsanto is robbing humanity and anyone who disagrees is a bootlicking kike.

[Anonymous No.9049429]

>>9049344
theres nothing retarded about it, they know what theyre doing to us

[Anonymous No.9049436]

>>9045370
Vitalik is Alpha af, and you're a fag

[Anonymous No.9049449]

>>9045606
You shouldn't, because he didn't.

[Anonymous No.9049500]

>>9046369
There are so many things this currently applies to. Building cities everywhere, ocean shipping lanes, the end of natural selection in humans, burning so much coal, the countless animals we've brought to extinction, etc

Judy because we can't determine something perfectly doesn't mean we should or shouldn't do it.

I'm not arguing for GMOs, I'm saying the argument in ops pic is baseless.

tl;dr OP IS A FAG

[Anonymous No.9049513]

>>9047116
He never said or implied that.

[Anonymous No.9049543]

>>9048831
>of course you will nitpick until you can find a single thing you dont like and then dismiss the rest
lol i can also copy paste every study having to do with RFR. The studies you show aren't even conclusive. read them yourself. read the peer reviews. they fail to dissociate their findings with false positives.

just curious, do you keep a bookmark of all these of did you literally just google them?

[Anonymous No.9049608]

>>9049500
My background is agricultural economics. I had to debate this shit a lot in school a decade ago.

Anyway, I could bother explaining it to again, as has been done by many people more intelligent than I ITT. BUt why bother?

You're gonna live it. This is the future you choose. I've had the pleasure of watching Florida's multibillion dollar citrus industry die in real time, despite the efforts of academics and the industry. I can promise you're gonna see similar things in almost every single sector of agriculture.

[Anonymous No.9049656]

vitalik is a walking illustration of the theory we can only relate to people within one or two standard deviations of intelligence. if you're above 130 IQ, you understand what he says in a few moments, and it comes off as smart both in content and delivery. if you're under that, you misunderstand it completely to the point you get angry


this happens with every single one of his "controversial" tweets. the heroin/child porn one made a point about sovereignty and hidden costs. the series of tweets framed as condoning blockchain censorship actually meant you can spin off your own trading pairs to help people escape dictatorships. his mention of harberger taxes was meant to shift the overton window on economic thinking rather than advocate for a naive implementation of the proposal in real life. and this last tweet attacks fallacious appeals to authority through legit-sounding buzzwords most readers will not understand and yet see as a proof of expertise *because* they don't understand it


for a perpetual thinking machine conversation is a sandbox for exploration
for fags who never had an original thought exploration is confusing and upsetting
bottomline, your reaction to vitalik's tweets is a litmus test and you failed

[Anonymous No.9049699]

>>9045370
>9045370
Nassim Nicholas Taleb is the most insufferable pseudo-intellectual douche. I can't stand normies revering him like he's some deep philosopher

[Anonymous No.9049808]

You should be buying PFR instead of whatever crap youre holding. Their mainnet comes out on April 30th. Do you realize that Localbitcoins now has KYC? Do you understand that once PFR is out, people will all jump ship to avoid having to upload documents? People kept doubting the project but these guys deliver. Do you want to be poor forever..

[Anonymous No.9049823]

You should be buying PFR instead of whatever crap youre holding. Their mainnet comes out on April 30th. Do you realize that Localbitcoins now has KYC? Do you understand that once PFR is out, people will all jump ship to avoid having to upload documents? People kept doubting the project but these guys deliver. Do you want to be poor forever...

[Anonymous No.9050677]

>>9046828
I enjoyed seeing you get destroyed.

Now please go drink some round up.

[Anonymous No.9050702]

>>9047802
It is E-Coin then?

[Anonymous No.9050781]

>>9049656
>of you disagree with le autistic pedo skeleton u have a low iq because he's just 2 deep 4 u
or maybe we understand what he means and think he's an egotistical retard with zero common sense nonetheless. If he had anything of substance to add to that conversation he would have presented his counter argument instead of merely begging for attention with hollow virtue signalling so all his basedboy fans will le upvote his tweet and further inflate his ego in order to soothe the pain of being intellectually cucked by dan.

Now don't you have some rick and morty to be binge watching?

[Anonymous No.9051015]

>>9045661
>there are unironically people on this board getting paid for shilling that attentionwhore as satoshi

[Anonymous No.9051037]

>>9045370
vitalik is an attention whore. he got rich now he shits on everybody even his own tech

[Anonymous No.9051183]

>>9047882
Apparently it doesn't work as intended, since you're borderline retarded and still alive. Fucking jews, can't even get one thing right.

[Anonymous No.9051187]

>>9047978
computers don't have perfect knowledge.
"we can figure out what gmos will do for sure" is an untenable position period.

[Anonymous No.9051469]

>>9047221
Sure sounds like an amerifat problem to me

[Anonymous No.9051497]

>>9047100
Biochemistry major here. There's some truth to the twitter guy's statement, but at the end of the day Biologists need to get paid, just like code monkeys. We can find cures to diseases, genetically modify safe supercrops (dude, half the fucking board is all about white supremacy, why the FUCK wouldn't you want 1 superior species resistant to everything), etc. but we don't do this because it provides a permanent solution to a long standing problem.

It takes brilliant minds to do these jobs, minds that want to bleed out the cash cow because there is no way they have initial $ needed to start up their own business, buy tech., fund their own research. So when you finally develop your resistant strain of crop, some inbred farmer who bought your crop decides to freely reproduce your special strain (because spending 10+ years to get shit patented, fda approved, etc. only costs several millions) of course you sue the fucker trying to get away and sell your magic beans to other farmers as if they created it.
Everybody has such a hate boner for agricultural tech giants like Monsanto that they fail to realize theyre legally in the right most of the time.

[Anonymous No.9051518]

>>9051497

who cares they need to die lol

[Anonymous No.9051616]

>>9051497
>the appeal to white supremacy
>see, transgenic abominations are racist too, just like you
lol, pathetic
you cant have one superior species resistant to everything, monoculture is dangerous because you cant beat the evolutionary rate of bacteria. no matter how smart and arrogant you are. and once one plague wipes out that basket you put all your eggs in, you are fucked. it happened with the big mike banana and it had to be replaced with the shitty cavendish bananas we eat now, and it will happen with your gmo superfood. also what will happen, is unpredictable mutations generations later triggered by the fact that we cant predict what the fuck is going to happen down the road with this kind of reckless genetic tinkering.

also, the people in power, running this shit. they dont want a superfood. they want us to die, because they are evil. i know you dont believe in true evil, i know you think the people in power are just like us. but theyre not, some of them are i guess, but there is a deep state, and part of that deep state is evil. believe it or not i dont care. if you dont keep the motivations of the people delivering the technology in mind, you wont be prepared for the trap they spring for us.

even smartphones are a trap. all you wanted was to browse the internet with a pocket computer and they provided a complete surveillance state and you bought and paid for it. we all did.

>that sounds paranoid and therefore you are wrong
lol ok thanks

[Anonymous No.9051702]

Why are people so in love with persian bootlicker Taleb?

[Anonymous No.9051736]

>>9051616
But we absolutely need genetic engineering to progress past the most mundane aspects of human needs. I wouldn't care if this rapid technology growth benefited those who don't truly deserve it (me, third-worlders, other degenerates), what I do care about is seeing general development and ascension of human beings as a whole. It sounds pretty fucking ridiculous sure, and I absolutely understand the risks associated with g. engineering and how gene diversity has only existed for millennia for diversity/evolution but we as human beings have the power to change ourselves and other living beings at the genetic level. The technology exists, I just want to live to see certain thresholds removed.

[Anonymous No.9051837]

>>9047221
>Vitalik is either REALLY stupid and naive, or just a tool of the establishment. I.e., an actor who never invented anything, whose job is purely PR oriented.
Crypto = NSA