Ven

[Anonymous No.8912917]

You are fuckin idiot if you dont have any of Vechain for incoming 2018 bull!

[Anonymous No.8912922]

>BMW """partnership"""

[Anonymous No.8912924]

cursing at potential buyers. Alt coin shills losing it

[Anonymous No.8912949]

most overhyped shitcoin ever

[Anonymous No.8912954]

>>8912922
Wait for their official news this month.

[Anonymous No.8912975]

>>8912922
We'll see who's laughing next month you fucking son of a bitch

[Anonymous No.8912977]

>>8912949
Please, there is a lot of space for Vechain to grow.

They are going public in late June with more than 200 companies in the pipeline.

Fuck off you just spreading FUD

[Anonymous No.8912979]

>>8912954
So it can be another BMW partnership? Kek

[Anonymous No.8912996]

>>8912979
It will be Maserati this time! Just you wait!!

[Anonymous No.8913002]

>>8912977
So why do you need to shill ven that much if you believe in it?

[Anonymous No.8913005]

>>8912979
Stop saying it's fake you goddamn liar, what the hell is wrong with you

https://twitter.com/BMWStartups/status/978536096664612864

[Anonymous No.8913019]

>>8913005
Because it is fake.
They enrolled a BMW startup competition, not made a partnership with BMW like they lied about it publicly.

[Anonymous No.8913024]

>>8913005
Yes! The rumor is true ...

[Anonymous No.8913049]

>>8912979
Not another parnership idiot.
They already sad they have parnership with them now they will give us more info what exactly they will do for BMW and you will see they will do much

[Anonymous No.8913070]

>>8913002
I am not shilling that much bro. Its my first post on /biz since few months.

I just belive in next ETH of 2018, and want u people to do proper research instead of calling ven scam and showing the arguments like bmw „parnership” its so fuckin stupid

[Anonymous No.8913075]

>>8913019
Did you read that tweet? BMW calls it a goddamn partnership you motherfucker.

https://en.munich-startup.de/2017/06/26/talk-bmw-startup-garage/

>The process works as follows: the first step is to let startups know about BMW. We need to communicate our added value and objectives on a global scale. A large number of startups have started sending us applications, with 90% coming from outside Germany.

>The next step is to choose the best applicants, meaning market leaders who offer something that we at BMW and our current suppliers do not have yet. Startups that work with us have to be better than say Intel, SAP, Qualcomm, or whoever might work in that specific field.

>After the first order has been completed successfully, the startup receives follow-up orders. The BMW Startup Garage does not buy shares, but instead the technology, even if it is still in its prototype stage. As already mentioned, the product is validated in an initial project within our ecosystem — be it in a car, factory or service. The goal is to get to know each other so well within those four months that we are able to establish a long-term partnership and the corresponding follow-up orders.

BMW considers VeChain to be a MARKET LEADER.

[Anonymous No.8913109]

>>8913075

So basically it's a startup competition, not a partnership.

[Anonymous No.8913114]

>>8913075
The goal is to get to know each other so well within those four months that we are able to establish a long-term partnership and the corresponding follow-u


It’s been four months since the rummor of BMW and VEN parnership come to internet. Now they promise news this month connect

[Anonymous No.8913172]

>>8913109
A competition in the capitalist sense, yes, they were competing with other startups for partnerships, a partnership being defined as a working relationship where BMW is a client of VeChain's and they integrate VeChain's tech into their products. As in that link I posted:
>BMW becomes the startup’s client, so the startup receives a supplier number and purchase order just like any other supplier.

[Anonymous No.8913283]

the bmw partnership will be announced by bmw during the bejing auto show in late april btw. now is a good time to buy. also haward and french luxury goods which will only will use ven this month. also TA looking good. the downtrend will have an end. april will be great just be patient faggots

[Anonymous No.8913296]

>>8913283
As CCK sad. April is here!!!

[Anonymous No.8913313]

You dumb if not buy Vechain. Good coin better than any. So many partnership it crazy and great project. Good things come soon so soon. Buy while cheap or regret.

[Anonymous No.8913322]

Sunny is insider trading his bags, he's admitted that. Claims not to know who CCK is - and you guys believe him. Yes sir, good investment sir. A lot of partnerships, sir.

[Anonymous No.8913338]

My biggest argument against VEN shills as a previously-loyal VEN holder:

This coin has so much shit in the pipeline and so many incredible partnerships, but is worth shit. If nobody else is willing to buy into it since it's "obviously" so promising, why do you think a few NEETs here are somehow the chosen ones?
Yeah it's got a lot behind it but it's worth shit all if it doesn't make you any money. You probably bought at ATH. Will probably dump after mainnet even with the lockup.

[Anonymous No.8913346]

i forgot: also xiaomen partnership. the worlds largest RFID company. you must be brainless hodling link

[Anonymous No.8913375]

Naiticus.io is the ico I've been looking at.

[Anonymous No.8913377]

dont forget that they claimed an oxford university partnership and oxford BTFO'd them and told them to delete it because it was fraudulent

[Anonymous No.8913404]

Maybe you haven't heard yet /biz/

https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/introducing-assetlink-a-joint-supply-chain-management-application-of-xiamen-innov-corelink-and-4ce7d114f118
>From now until the release of mainnet, Xiamen Innov and Smart Corelink will be working to onboard their existing customers onto this service
>With already established partners such as Coca-Cola, Hyundai, Von Braun Labs, Samsung, Lenovo, Huawei, Coolpad, ZTE, APPLE, DELL, ASUS

enjoy your fomo from ~June when network transactions start to blow up the price of VET

[Anonymous No.8913430]

>>8913338
Let's have a look at the wallets:
https://vechain.whenlambomoon.com/nodes/vethor
There are 4433 VeThor Node wallets (At least 6000 VET, or $20,580)
There are 1951 Strength-X wallets (At least 16k VET, or $54,880)
There are 468 Thunder-X wallets (At least 56k VET, or $192,080)
There are 452 Mjolnir-X wallets (At least 156k VET, or $535,080)

That's how many people put serious money into it. NEET money is mostly inconsequential. Tim Draper bought into it. Jim Breyer bought into it. Now we wait.

And I didn't buy at ATH. I bought when it was less than 30 cents last autumn.

[Anonymous No.8913603]

>>8913430

I raise you the top holders of ChainLink:
https://etherscan.io/token/0x514910771af9ca656af840dff83e8264ecf986ca#balances

People will put exorbitant amounts into anything.

[Anonymous No.8913632]

>>8913338
Your arguments are sucked from the finger bro.

Do proper reaserch and come back to this discussion if you want to. But stop acting like fuckin i know everythig guy, with nothing actually to say.

They have great companies in the pipeline, support of the biggest investors, and hugo global partnerships already using product

[Anonymous No.8913675]

>>8913632
I know plenty about VEN, like I said, I used to hold it. I firmly believe, though, that unless you hold a fuck ton of it (node level) it's not going to be worth it.
I know about Breyer, all of the companies that they work with, and their "hugo" global partnerships, but that's irrelevant if you can't answer this question:
If VEN is such an obvious win, why isn't it worth more? How many times have VEN holders claimed it would be worth a ton already, and then a new, huge partnership comes out, and it dumps?

I mean, good luck, you could have chosen worse coins, but if you only have a few hundred you have many better options out there.

[Anonymous No.8913677]

>>8913632
But how much is VET worth?!? What is a proper valuation? Not fucking $100. VET mooned already. It's not going to climb much higher than it's already been. Sorry you fell for the hype machine.

[Anonymous No.8913756]

>>8913675
>what is a market
>>8913677
whatever someone is willing to pay for it.
the fact that it generates Thor and Thor is always going to be valued lower than VET incentivises VET to appreciate in value. simple economics.
it all comes down to how much the network will be used, and at this rate it's obvious that it will be very very active with massive enterprise use.

[Anonymous No.8913783]

>>8913756
A market is the thing VEN is in, and it's not doing so hot. What is your point? You still haven't answered my question: What if it isn't going to be worth nearly as much as you think, which is entirely plausible considering the market we're in?

[Anonymous No.8913805]

>>8913783
>If VEN is such an obvious win, why isn't it worth more? How many times have VEN holders claimed it would be worth a ton already, and then a new, huge partnership comes out, and it dumps?
>A market is the thing VEN is in, and it's not doing so hot.
you answered yourself

[Anonymous No.8913817]

>>8913805
So I'm right, then. Good luck, you'll need it.

[Anonymous No.8913823]

>>8913675
>why isn't it worth more?

Because its not even fucking released yet? Apart from a few pilots there is shit for adoptions? Also apart from those few pilots, no one is actually using it?

Does your tiny mousebrain expect adoption to happen overnight, with companies and CEOs flipping shit in their offices just to get this funny little blockchain-thingy integrated into their enterprises? This takes years, decades even. Just take a look how SAP started out, take your add medication and open a book for change to educate yourself

[Anonymous No.8913849]

>>8913817
the market just shat itself. nothing gains speculative value in a market like this.
key word: speculative
this won't be speculation anymore when they have a hugely active network. it's painfully obvious.
as for how that translates to value/price increase, see >>8913756

[Anonymous No.8913896]

do you think somebody who buys 800€ for his prada shoes , or his 150€ vine cares about 0.01cents or 2cents for his vet. lmao

[Anonymous No.8913905]

>>8913675
You understand that everything in speculative at this stage, right? And that the true value is revealed as adoption grows? The absolute state of /biz/.

[Anonymous No.8913946]

>>8913823
Sure, but that's still not an entirely functional argument. Don't you think others have considered that? What about all of the coins that have risen higher based on less? Many other coins have far less by way of actual applications.

>>8913849
I'll admit that's a good point, but if that's the case do you still believe VET will actually be worth the massive amounts others are claiming?
It does come back to one question: Do you think VET will be worth it if you only hold scraps, as most of this board probably does?
That's a personal question since realistically, it probably won't pay off.
Most of this board is likely on that boat and are under the belief that their dreams of $1000 VET will happen so they can buy a new car with their 50 VET. Or in some other cases, poor snowmobile guy. It's delusion in another sense.

[Anonymous No.8914008]

>>8913109
a market leader sure is not someone taking part in a startup competition

[Anonymous No.8914032]

Remainder that Sunny retweeted “$4.88 is a damn good buying opportunity” in February. Get in now or stay poor.

[Anonymous No.8914061]

>>8913946
You dont think as we see real world usecase concretizise the value of this disruptive new technology that it might affect other blockchains perhaps purely speculative value? You think everything stamped with "blockchain" will be huge success?

[Anonymous No.8914068]

>>8913905
This is correct and why I'll argue very strongly that VET will not explode. It's value is determined by the THOR it generates. There is no other reason to hold VET. Fundamentally, THOR has to be consumed cheaply if the Vechain network can survive.
Anyone who thinks this is going to increase in speculative value independently of THOR consumption hasn't thought this through very well.

[Anonymous No.8914075]

>>8912917
to many 'partnerships' oh & the whitepaper with 'this is not a white paper, it just isn't' WAY to fuckin casual, imagine how casual they are going to be with this project.
FFS if you own this shit you obviously can't do research, stay poor

[Anonymous No.8914081]

>>8914068
Its a platform token also.

[Anonymous No.8914082]

>>8914032
Sunny is a part of the hype machine who has been getting rich dumping on you fags. $4.88 was not a damn good buying opportunity in February, was it? Think for yourself fag.

[Anonymous No.8914097]

>>8914081
How much does that increase the value of VET?

[Anonymous No.8914100]

>>8913946
If there is another run anything remotely like 2017/2018 then yes, I believe it's probable VET will hit $100+ in a relatively short space of time.
Regarding value increase due to usage/adoption, there's no way of knowing a specific time span yet, other than knowing value appreciation of some magnitude is true.
I've been around to witness people claim $10 the top of BTC and $50 the top of ETH, so I wouldn't call it delusion at all.

[Anonymous No.8914104]

>>8914082
I was being sarcastic :^)

[Anonymous No.8914106]

>>8914068
Dude nobody cares about speculative value, we care about the value in actual use. The fact is there is only a certain amount of THOR produced, so the more companies actually using it it, the higher the value it has. It's pretty simple and I don't know why you don't understand it.

[Anonymous No.8914138]

>>8914068
NO. This is wrong on so many levels.

This is the exact reason a two token economic system exists. VET value will not be pegged to the price of Thor. VET is free to experience market fluctuations including moons and crashes and Thor price/generation rate will be controlled according to that in order to keep it constant. Price of Thor doesn't matter in enterprise use, its consistency does. A company doesn't want to pay $1 one day for Thor and $10 the next. The dual token system solves this.

[Anonymous No.8914159]

>>8914138
Correct

[Anonymous No.8914185]

>>8914032
Remainder again that CEO of VeChain called $4.88/VET a damn good buying opportunity. Sunny definitely knows what he’s talking about.

[Anonymous No.8914212]

>>8914097
Well platform token in the same sense that eth is. No porn icos obviously. Adaption is the key to vet value as some enterprises will likely want to cover their expenses on blockchain by acquiring their own node. Two months.

[Anonymous No.8914213]

>>8914106
80-90% of THOR will be generated by master nodes. How much will you be generating?
How much do you think a transaction on the network will cost (in USD, not THOR)? It has to be fractions of a cent in order to be a viable solution to the enterprises that mean to operate on the platform. Think of their use cases and how many transactions will be required. A decentralized block chain platform is valuable to them so long as it is offered as a cost savings solution to their current problems.
Louis Vuitton won't be spending millions of dollars a year to register handbags anon.

So in order to justify $100 VET, how many transactions (at a fraction of a cent) will the network have to be supporting? A fucking lot. It's not going to happen EOY like you guys want to believe. It's unlikely to ever get anywhere near that unless they make some big changes to the current token economics.

[Anonymous No.8914238]

>>8912917

I'll pass thanks.

Already own AMB and it's a piece of shit, like every other supply chain coin, it does nothing.

And the fact this is a Chink scamcoin, means I won't be touching it with a 10-foot buy order.

[Anonymous No.8914251]

>>8914138
No dude, use your head. Would you pay $100 for a VET token if it's only generating THOR that's values at $5 a year? What kind of bullshit ROI is that? Greater fool theory won't carry this to the moon. It will grow with organic use of the network, but the speculative market is squashed by adoption. At that point we can crunch the actual numbers and understand VETs actual market value.

[Anonymous No.8914270]

>>8914251
I bet Sunny crunched those numbers and came up with $4.88 /s

[Anonymous No.8914304]

>>8914213
I have a Strength X node, so I'll be doing just fine thanks. Obviously widespread adoption to the point of me being able to literally live off passive income is going to take a few years, but why not wait for that?

[Anonymous No.8914321]

>>8914238
Have fun on your speculative vaporware while the bubble bursts. Oh yeah i forgot this is the greatest bullrun of our lifetime.

[Anonymous No.8914332]

>>8914304
You're not going to be able to live off the passive income from a strength node dude.

[Anonymous No.8914346]

>>8914321
>Have fun on your speculative vaporware while the bubble bursts

Yeah, like I said, AMB and all supply chain shitcoins are a piece of shit. At least AMB is not a Chink scamcoin piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.8914361]

>>8914346
AMB at least has room to grow. VET mooned already. I don't understand anyone still holding after the rebrand.

[Anonymous No.8914362]

>>8914213
Its not matter because those companies will have already close VET witch will be generating THOR so they dont need to buy from market, so its not really mattet what’s the price of thor is in this case

[Anonymous No.8914364]

>>8914304
>passive income
>free money

[Anonymous No.8914372]

>>8914332
Pretty sure I will, even though VEN is far from my biggest holding. Assuming passive income will be in the 5-10% bracket and the price reflects the immense value of the network when it's fully operational and mature, I'll be very comfortable.

[Anonymous No.8914383]

>>8914362
???
So why would you want to hold VET if you don't think there will be a market for the THOR you are generating?

[Anonymous No.8914398]

>>8914372
Maybe if half the world is operating on the Vechain network... that's mighty optimistic anon.

[Anonymous No.8914404]

>>8914398
Maths isn't your strong suit, I can tell.

[Anonymous No.8914413]

>>8914213
>has to be fractions of a cent
You're looking at this all wrong and your math is complete ass. I've already BTFO your shit posts in other threads.

and why does VeChain roll out 5 new partnerships every week? Because they know they need mass adoption. That's what they're doing. Louis Vuitton and BMW are just for legitimacy. That's not where the big money will come from. Look at what they're doing with food industry, carbon bank, tobacco, etc. Commodities will be performing millions of transactions.

not to mention, VeChain is going to be competing with Ethereum for Dapps. There are many in the pipline. Dapps and ICOs that will be paid for in VEN.

you had a "dudeeeeeeee" stoner moment and think you have this shit all figured out. All of the top executives at VeChain get paid in VEN and have a 2 year lockup. Do you have the hubris to believe you know more about their numbers than them?

[Anonymous No.8914419]

>>8912979
>he doesn't know that BMW will announce details of their Vechain program at the Beijing auto show this month

[Anonymous No.8914427]

>>8914213
Its not matter because those companies will have already close VET witch will be generating THOR so they dont need to buy from market, so its not really mattet what’s the price of thor is in this case

[Anonymous No.8914432]

>>8914404
Not every coin follows metcalfe.

[Anonymous No.8914443]

>>8914413
Vechain marketing is a scam dude. They have zero transaction on the network right now and you have no idea the extent to which their "partners" mean to utilize the platform. I doubt very much that it will live up to the hype and would be surprised to see anything but pilot programs running this year.

[Anonymous No.8914447]

>>8914383
There will be a market but big companies will not buy from there couse they will generate their own THOR is so fuckin hard to undersand?

[Anonymous No.8914462]

>>8914447
If that is going to work, these companies are going to have to buy huge numbers of VET in the first place. What does that tell you about the price? jfc

[Anonymous No.8914478]

>>8914447
What's hard to understand is why you think this is a valuable hold.

[Anonymous No.8914483]

>>8914213
The value of VET is determined by more than the value of the Thor it generates. It is also dependent on the demand for VeChain ICOs like BitOcean, interest in VeChain's asset exchange, and so on.

[Anonymous No.8914498]

>>8914462
You don't know how VET/THOR works

[Anonymous No.8914504]

>>8914498
Yeah nah, I do. Explain why my post doesn't make sense you absolute brainlet.

[Anonymous No.8914538]

>>8914504
you spent 5 minutes researching the project 2 months ago and think you understand it.

4chan, home of the pseudo intellect manchild who has accomplished absolutely nothing with his life

kill yourself

[Anonymous No.8914540]

>>8914504
Most of those companies sure as hell aren't market-buying.

[Anonymous No.8914553]

>>8914538
Ah yes, I see my mistake now. Here I was thinking increased demand for the product would result in a higher price. I'm sorry and bow before your superior intellect.

[Anonymous No.8914564]

>>8914443
yes, that's why they have 100 employees and are hiring an additional 100 developers by end of year. Surely pilot programs are enough to fund all of that

you're in this thread for contrarian validation and nothing more.

[Anonymous No.8914568]

>>8914540
They aren't now because Vechain is allocating it directly to strategic partners to get the ecosystem running. In the future they sure as hell will be buying on the open market, as has already been clarified in AMAs.

[Anonymous No.8914588]

>>8914568
You're delusional

[Anonymous No.8914596]

>>8914553
superior intellect that can read the medium business AMAs they publish

[Anonymous No.8914614]

>>8914564
Explain how pic isn't marketing "scam."

[Anonymous No.8914616]

>>8914251
You don't have any clue about the economic model of this. Please stop and go read some more, really.

[Anonymous No.8914619]

>>8914588
>>8914596
And the salty walties still don't refute my very simple arguments.

[Anonymous No.8914626]

Is it true that the binace delisting is going to possibly be reversed?

[Anonymous No.8914647]

>>8914568
kek I replied to the wrong guy. my b


>>8914614
this is literally the best you can come up with? Holy shit. I'm almost positive you're the same retard from the other threads a while back.

why are you in a VEN thread instead of a WTC thread where they have literally committed scam marketing? You're here for attention

[Anonymous No.8914680]

>>8914647
Either 1) Sunny has done the math even though we know it's near impossible to do so or 2) unabashed marketing.

[Anonymous No.8914708]

>>8914680
didn't you sell the absolute bottom? Some guy who sounded just like you sold his entire stack at trough of the dump a few months ago, then proceeded to endlessly FUD

[Anonymous No.8914715]

>>8914680
actually PwC, Oxford Mathematics and Michigan State have done the math, but whatever a /biz/tard says I guess..

[Anonymous No.8914735]

>>8914708
What I do is irrelevant to the pic. I'm here to listen to good arguments against this but have heard none.

[Anonymous No.8914970]

>>8914715
what math is that? source? or just more hot air

[Anonymous No.8914985]

>>8914970
they literally all work with Vechain. What do you think their purposes are?
jesus fuck

[Anonymous No.8915017]

>>8914970
I suspect the math will never be made public because Sunny wants speculatively high VET price.

[Anonymous No.8915022]

>people still shill this shitty coin
I want flags on this board so I can know who these retards are.

[Anonymous No.8915040]

>>8915017
or they just don't give a fuck about explaining to retards on biz acting like the next Gordon Gekko because they already know it works

[Anonymous No.8915050]

>>8914985
So where are the numbers? And who's on the dev team?

[Anonymous No.8915058]

>>8915050
DYOFR
google exists for a reason

[Anonymous No.8915062]

Have 1k ven, will I make it?

[Anonymous No.8915081]

>>8915058
I have. There's only videos of either sunny or kevin feng talking or some b/s power point. I want facts not a sales pitch.

[Anonymous No.8915090]

>>8915058
You literally can't google up anything on the lead Blockchain dev lmao.

[Anonymous No.8915120]

>>8915081
it's all there if you actually take time to look.
i suspect you won't though because you're the type of person that gives up if it isn't all packaged up for you in one little 5 minute youtube video.

[Anonymous No.8915145]

>>8915090
yes you can you're just an idiot who doesn't look at chinese search results because you think the world revolves around western society

[Anonymous No.8915171]

>>8915120
source?

[Anonymous No.8915196]

>>8915171
sure, refer to >>8915058

[Anonymous No.8915201]

>>8915145
kek

[Anonymous No.8915215]

>>8915022
I know who you are. You are jealous and cancerous newcoiner who is trying to get an edge fudding.

[Anonymous No.8915233]

>VET shills constantly respond to criticism they can't answer by spouting the same old rhetoric "DYOR"

I see nothing has changed since December except a lot less $1000 EOY predictions.

[Anonymous No.8915242]

>>8915196
So whats his name and experience? Or is that written in a medium blog too?

[Anonymous No.8915257]

>>8915233
VEN shills literally BTFO by a question.

[Anonymous No.8915285]

>>8915242
what part of doing your own research is hard to understand?
i had to do it at some point
i'm not here to help anyone out of the goodness of my heart
i'm here to satisfy my urge to btfo trolls and other fucking degenerates with irrefutable logic

[Anonymous No.8915325]

>>8915285
>>8915285
>m here to satisfy my urge to btfo trolls and other fucking degenerates with irrefutable logic

Sure doing a great job only playing defense.

[Anonymous No.8915351]

>>8915325
i've yet to see a point of mine be successfully refuted so, yeah.

[Anonymous No.8915359]

>>8915325
He thinks VET is the next BTC or ETH. Good luck arguing with that.

[Anonymous No.8915401]

>>8915359
you done sucking his dick yet?
i've never stated that's what i think but it's actually already more useful and has higher adoption than BTC and ETH

[Anonymous No.8915404]

>>8915351
All you have said is DYOR.If ven was as legitimate as you think, wouldnt we all know the technicalities and who is heading the team of devs? As well as maybe some progress reports, but no. We get DYOR and VEN generates thor and 100$ end of month bullshit.. KYS

[Anonymous No.8915432]

>>8915233
Haha rekt

[Anonymous No.8915439]

>>8915404
as i've said before, they are geared towards enterprises and professional use, they don't give a fuck about you nor I having all the information we ask for. that said, it is already out there if you really want to find it.

[Anonymous No.8915465]

>>8915439
>it is already out there if you really want to find it.
>or they just don't give a fuck about explaining

[Anonymous No.8915469]

>>8915439
An actual cogent response, but more of the same behind the curtains type answer.

[Anonymous No.8915473]

>>8915404
https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/vechain-and-yunkean-logsafer-a-leading-supply-chain-risk-management-platform-enter-into-47cc11694674

No one ever talks about this, but the potential for VEN in this specific market is what gets me most wet. DNV GL was behind this strategic announcement so you can be sure that this will be shilled to their clients once the product is ready for mass adoption.

[Anonymous No.8915504]

>>8915473
A wild shill appears.

[Anonymous No.8915510]

>>8915233
You do realize that means you're all lazy cunts, right?

[Anonymous No.8915514]

>>8915469
because i'm not here to be accountable for this project to some fucking lazy faggot on /biz/. I already know the answers to what you're asking, but finding out the actual answers is not the reason why you are asking here and that's why i'm not answering.

[Anonymous No.8915526]

>>8915504

[Anonymous No.8915525]

1. Circle- Breyer- Poloniex
2. Bitocean- Japan- ATM
3. Renault- BMW- eGrid
4. Xiamem- Corelink - coca-cola- lenovo - gp motors- etc.
5. LV - Paris incubator- luxury


And many many more, you need to be stupid to dont see how they are setting up in front of your blind eyes.

Show me other coin like that.

[Anonymous No.8915530]

>>8915514
if you know the all answers, then you're making yourself look like a liar. Just answer the question then. WHO IS THE DEV?

[Anonymous No.8915603]

>>8915530
oh, i look like a liar. i'm glad i give a fuck.
you'll be able to find out whether i actually am lying or not by spending some of your time looking a little harder. but we all know you won't and that's why you're here.

[Anonymous No.8915618]

I don't care about spoonfeeding, but from what I've seen in the past:

>Person asks a specific question which they can't find the answers to via Google or they can only find purported rumours
>Shills respond by saying "DYOR"

Yeah, as you can see, extremely helpful response, why not just answer the fucking question if you know everything?

>inb4 use Baidu

Lmao

[Anonymous No.8915620]

>>8915603
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vechain/comments/7kt90m/the_vechain_leadership_team_best_in_class/

Where's the dev?

[Anonymous No.8915633]

>>8915618 meant to be a response to >>8915510

[Anonymous No.8915641]

>>8913675
>it's the year 2011
>How can bitcoin ever be worth $20,000 if it isn't worth 20,000 right now.

[Anonymous No.8915655]

>>8915620
not on there.

[Anonymous No.8915765]

>>8915401
>it's actually already more useful and has higher adoption than BTC and ETH
It's hard to refute this when all we have to go off of are exaggerated partnerships/hype with no actual math/code.

[Anonymous No.8915768]

>>8913675
Chink hype scam
You would think the coin is worth 50 dollars by now
But can't blame Ven , all coins follow the same trend now. Pump for news and announcements dump after

That hodl shit is dead. Everyone wants to pull a profit

The days of neo eth growth are over.

[Anonymous No.8915774]

>>8915655
This is pathetic. This thread's getting screencapped as an example of the uncertainty and deception ven shillers have willfully bought into in hopes to make money. If something is too good to be true, it more than likely is.

[Anonymous No.8915830]

It's so fun to see how people yell scam scam scam when it seems like no one remembers their most important partnership: DNV GL. As soon as I read that in november I bought as much VEN as I could. And holy fuck it paid off

[Anonymous No.8915831]

>>8915765
>exaggerated
VET already being used by one of the biggest logistics assurance companies in the world
show me businesses with any impact that use BTC and ETH in the real world
protip: you can't
tell me, will your grandmother know how to set up and maintain a cryptographic wallet for easy payments?

[Anonymous No.8915848]

>>8915774
there are literally none of the dev team stated in that post. what other response would you have liked me to give?

[Anonymous No.8915852]

>>8915641
Such a shitty comparison. Bitcoin had nothing backing it in 2011.

[Anonymous No.8915885]

>>8915831
Anon you come off as a moonboy who fell for Sunny's hype because you're not STEM and don't understand the need to back arguments with numbers.

[Anonymous No.8915939]

>>8915285
I really dont think responding to everything with "USE GOOGLE I WONT TELL YOU NANANANANA" counts as "btfo" someone out, using "irrefutable logic" or making a great argument. And I say this as a Vet holder: you seem like an idiot and you clearly can't answer their questions.

[Anonymous No.8915944]

>evolved from peeing into bottles
>TO POOPING IN PLASTIC BAGS
>Triple bag and tie to cover smell, use baby wipes, put in my own personal freezer until trash day so it doesn't smell

[Anonymous No.8915953]

>>8915885
again, i couldn't give a fuck how i come off as on /biz/.
you've all made it clear why you're here, and i've made it clear that i'm not feeding you with what you want because i'm secure enough to know what i know already.
so either you don't know and are too lazy to find out, or you're here to attempt to stir the pot.
as i'm a degenerate that has been here for many years, i don't mind jumping in because what the fuck else am i doing with my time. but it really isn't hard to find out what you're supposedly looking for. you just won't get it from me.

[Anonymous No.8915969]

>>8915848
Maybe refute my post with your own source of info. This is fucking sad

[Anonymous No.8915987]

>>8915939
i'm not on biz to answer their questions. neither are they on biz to find out genuine information. only a fucking retard couldn't see that.
the fact that they haven't been able to actually find out yet tells you a lot about this place.

[Anonymous No.8915999]

>i'm secure enough

>24 posts in this thread
>not a single valuable response, only "GOOGLE IT" "DYOR"
>comes off as a fedora tipping neckbeard soon to be seen on a high school murder spree

[Anonymous No.8916016]

>>8915969
ok, fine. to keep this going, i'll entertain.
lead dev is mentioned in a medium article.
some of the dev team have been made REALLY easy to find out in the past 2 days.
that's all you tards get.

[Anonymous No.8916021]

>>8912975
Still him.

[Anonymous No.8916026]

>>8915999
>valuable responses on 4chan
newfaggery

[Anonymous No.8916030]

>>8915987

[Anonymous No.8916051]

>>8916026
I think we've offered you fresh responses/perspectives in this bread, but you refuse to listen.

[Anonymous No.8916052]

>>8916026
You've clearly not been here before the big boomer invasion, otherwise you'd known that most of the threads back then actually were helpful.

Now we are stuck with angry manchildren like you, great.

[Anonymous No.8916064]

>>8916016
Link if it's REALLY easy.

[Anonymous No.8916066]

>>8916052
>4chan since 2005
>biz since 2014
try again

[Anonymous No.8916082]

>>8916064
kek

[Anonymous No.8916122]

>>8916082
Are you gonna cry now anon?!

[Anonymous No.8916124]

>>8916064
play ball with me man come on
please

[Anonymous No.8916143]

>>8916122
no i'm just getting bored of your same response.
you could at least switch it up
again, it speaks volumes of this place today

[Anonymous No.8916186]

>>8914251

>doesn't realize people will continue to speculate about future demand for THOR
>thinks once there's a working product all speculation of future value goes away
>has apparently never heard of Tesla

top fuckign kek

[Anonymous No.8916236]

>>8916186
That's not how THOR works. Sigh VeChain really is a normie trap.

[Anonymous No.8916239]

>>8916186
until there is another better working system paired with someone as big as DNVGL that does the same thing as Vechain then the demand for Thor will remain constant. At that point it will be pretty obvious it's time to jump ship. VET will continue to appreciate though. It's just economics.

[Anonymous No.8916297]

>>8916236
Are you implying that THOR will be fixed in price by the foundation? Sunny already confirmed that wasn't the case back in December.

[Anonymous No.8916315]

>>8916236
>>8916239

VeChain brings on more users of the platform -> demand for THOR goes up -> generation rate of THOR goes up -> VET produces more THOR -> VET worth more


it must be hard being retarded, I feel bad for you

[Anonymous No.8916348]

>>8916315
yes, that's been my point all along.
where's the speculation in that?

[Anonymous No.8916353]

>>8916315
So close.

VeChain brings on more users of the platform -> demand for THOR goes up ->price of THOR goes up while transaction costs remain constant -> Enterprises buy less THOR to cover transaction costs -> VET worth more

[Anonymous No.8916446]

>>8916315
>>8916348
>>8916353

[Anonymous No.8916460]

>>8916446
did you find out yet?

[Anonymous No.8916473]

>>8916348

You can take the THOR generation rate on a given day, and figure out how much THOR you are generating from your VET tokens. You know the price of THOR, so you can figure out how much USD those those tokens are worth. Then you can use something akin to a P/E ratio (or a set rate of return you think crypto investors demand) to calculate what a fair price for VET is. (example: if you know that a VET token at a given point in time generates you $5 of THOR/year, and you know people demand a minimum of 10% return, you might say a fair price of VET at that time is $50).


But if people think in 6 months from now the demand for THOR will be higher, such that the THOR generation rate goes up, and your VET token will generate $10 of THOR per year, and you're still assuming the 10% return being what the market demands, then they essentially think VET will be worth $100 in 6 months from now. And they will buy it up higher than $50 (the current price based solely on current demand) and speculate that it's a good buy even at 55..60...65...70...

this is literally how speculation works. it's why Tesla's stock is worth a fuck ton

to anyone out there reading this, do not ever take advice from anyone on /biz/, this place is filled with trolls unfamiliar with the dunning-kruger effect.


the absolute fucking retard state of /biz/

[Anonymous No.8916504]

These threads really take me back to early ETH threads, same amount of bitter retards that will continue to stay poor once more, keep it coming need more material for the future archive

[Anonymous No.8916509]

>>8916297
My understanding is $ price per service is negotiated and fixed via contracts just like any other. If the agreed price is $1 for a certain service and THOR is $1, then THOR demand is 1. If THOR is $2 then THOR demand is 0.5.

[Anonymous No.8916524]

>>8916460
Ya i did, there is no dev. It's all smoke and mirrors with the promise of buy now and generate money later.SCAM SCAM SCAM

[Anonymous No.8916553]

>>8916473
>>8916473
you can speculate on the price of VET but not Thor. That's the whole point of the dual token system. It's already been covered in detail and worked on by PwC. The point is that VET will always be worth more than Thor and as long as there is sufficient demand from businesses operating on the network for Thor then the price of VET will continue to appreciate.

[Anonymous No.8916590]

>>8916509
We're on the same page then.

[Anonymous No.8916592]

>>8914564
Chinese prison labor

[Anonymous No.8916617]

>>8916590
And I believe this too:
>>8914251
>the speculative market is squashed by adoption. At that point we can crunch the actual numbers and understand VETs actual market value.

[Anonymous No.8916624]

>>8916553
nobody is talking about speculating on the price of THOR. The generation rate of THOR will be adjusted based on the demand for THOR to keep the price of THOR stable. It's the increase in THOR generation rate that will increase the value of VET, plus speculation on future increase in THOR generation rate.

[Anonymous No.8916681]

>>8916504

>References to ETH

Are the sign of every delusional bagholder.

Even as we speak, there are delusional bagholders sitting on millions Reddcoin, DigiByte,Mintcoin, and a whole bunch of other trash, claiming that their worthless shitcoin is really just an ETH in the making.

ChainLink-tier delusions desu.

[Anonymous No.8916690]

>>8916624
agreed. admit i did read your initial post as speculation on thor price rather than demand.

[Anonymous No.8916719]

>>8916681
and how many of those had live products, billionaire venture capitalist interest and were working directly alongside two global powerhouses? you can't even say the majority of that about ETH

[Anonymous No.8916746]

>>8916681
This. But ven will generate thor with all the use cases and adoption DURRR

[Anonymous No.8916822]

Can you faggots stop praising VEN. I'm still accumulating, fucking retards.

[Anonymous No.8916981]

>>8916524
Yea im sure dnv gl does their risk assessment the biz way. You know, -risk assessment, kind of what they been doing for a living about a hundred years? They assessed many blockchain projects and endorsed vechain. But im sure youll be more amused how i kind of said ass many times you retarded shitflinging faggot.

[Anonymous No.8917078]

>>8913019
It's not a competition, it's an R&D program. Can you atleast research before spreading this exact same FUD?

[Anonymous No.8917150]

>>8916822

This.

[Anonymous No.8917204]

>>8916473
Speculation is based on expected future useage. Since this space is so new, you’re free to speculate as high as you want on any coin.

[Anonymous No.8917237]

>>8914251
>Would you pay $100 for a VET token if it's only generating THOR that's values at $5 a year?
Just reread
>VET value will not be pegged to the price of Thor.... Thor price/generation rate will be controlled according to that in order to keep it constant
And use your head to figure out what it means. I'm not going to spoonfeed to you what has already been explained.

[Anonymous No.8917443]

>>8912917
why did this thread blow up? should i add some VeChain to my port. I love coins that have "Chain" in the name most likely scams but also most potential to 100x

[Anonymous No.8917649]

>>8917443
Its the first to roll out with widespread industry adoption and i would not want to be on vaporware shitcoins when the promises of blockchain technology materialisate. I hope the real world implementation and value is higher than the hype.

[Anonymous No.8918029]

>>8917649
>materialisate
what word is this lol

[Anonymous No.8918055]

>>8918029
The world of made up numbers and invisible developers.

[Anonymous No.8918109]

>>8913430

1 out of 468, feels good man

[Anonymous No.8918169]

I see a lot of idiots or kids spreading FUD and coming with the stupid arguments calling Ven scam in this post. I see also people who know what is going on with VEN now and theh see the potential. Those people spend some time on reaserch, read about what they doing and with who! They connect those simple dots, and propably they will profit from that- but the time will show, let’s wait!!

[Anonymous No.8918175]

>>8918029
Some...close proximate, i still dont know how to write it nor would i dare to pronounce it. Materialisize.

[Anonymous No.8918209]

[Anonymous No.8918248]

>>8918055
Fuck off upfiring, turtlecoin, datawallet whatever it is these days.

[Anonymous No.8918252]

>>8918109
>Tfw when corporations beg for my nodes

[Anonymous No.8918307]

>>8915852
Such a shitty response. I responding on the comment that if it was so valuable why isn't it worth more.

[Anonymous No.8918338]

>>8918175
>Materialisize
the word you are searching for is, materialize. The definition is to become certain, fact, or for something to finally happen. Is English your first language..?

[Anonymous No.8918422]

So many salty Waltys and retarded brainlinks in here.

Just buy some vet... Enjoy your normie life and then reap rewards in a year's time. Or.. Keep wasting your time with shit coins that achieve nothing

[Anonymous No.8918572]

>>8918338
No its not my native language. I often use words intuitively, they just pop to my head out of some context even if often i could not give dictionary explanation of them. Materialize is what i meant yes.

[Anonymous No.8918688]

>>8914304
>oh shit our coin is tanking
>peasant nodes?
I almost fell for the node meme too
Sold my "STRENGTH" when they came up with that "X" shit to force more bagholding

[Anonymous No.8918706]

>>8918572
Ill be like "i dont know what it means but i know its the right word, go check dictionary and youll see" my gf be like "no, we cant use words in scrabble unless everybody knows them" ill be like "jesus fuck".

[Anonymous No.8918753]

>>8918706

[Anonymous No.8918784]

I have 1k Vechain will I make it?

[Anonymous No.8918951]

>>8918784
can you name the lead dev? If not then no.

[Anonymous No.8918964]

>>8918951
can u?
no cus i never told u

[Anonymous No.8919021]

>>8918964
Ya he doesn't exist. Chang Doe

[Anonymous No.8919046]

>ITT: /biz/ being exposed for the children they are

The phrase "anon....I" is no more appropriately used than for anyone shitting on VET.

The only arguments that could be made against owning this coin is that you can maybe realize quicker gains playing the market or you don't have 5 figures to invest.

If you aren't an impatient child and have funds are further proof of that, this is one of the most legit projects existing in this space.

There really is no reason to FUD this project unless you're jealous you can't partake.

[Anonymous No.8919066]

>>8919021
i'll give you one last hint.
lead dev is technically an executive

[Anonymous No.8919104]

>>8919046
except ya know like proof of the blockchains technical specs. Since it's been running right?

[Anonymous No.8919133]

>>8919046
poorfags automatically fud any coin in the top 20 because "it can only go like 10x max" and they will still be poor even if they 10x their pathetic $500 stack so they have to go gamble on microcap pnd coins

[Anonymous No.8919147]

>>8919066
Found him

[Anonymous No.8919166]

>>8919147
it only took you a whole 4 minutes to come up with that one. good going kiddo!

[Anonymous No.8919195]

>>8919166
You and your Ventards

[Anonymous No.8919216]

>>8919104
Vechains technology has been audited by pwc. Try harder.

[Anonymous No.8919235]

>>8919216
"PWC China" Basically a franchise, known for scams and fake partnerships to pump stocks. Watch the China Hustle

[Anonymous No.8919266]

>>8916473
you're wasting your time everyone on this board is 20 yo and failed econ 101

[Anonymous No.8919267]

>>8919046
ITT: nontech NEETs thinking cost conscious businesses will buy their overpriced nodes

[Anonymous No.8919285]

Thunder Node here. Can't wait to retire.

[Anonymous No.8919298]

>>8919235
do you honestly believe what you type or just fudding for fun? you seriously think breyer and draper didnt do their research and put their name on a scam project?

[Anonymous No.8919317]

>>8919235
why so rustled

[Anonymous No.8919364]

>>8919298
>>8919317
Please enlighten me who's lead developer? And what are the technicals for the blockchain since it's being "used" by businesses already.

[Anonymous No.8919368]

>>8919267
>cost conscious
>overpriced
>tfw lawyers and compliance costs drastically cut

Anon...I

[Anonymous No.8919390]

>>8919235
Pwc in your Movie?

[Anonymous No.8919400]

>>8919195

Sorry champ but you uploaded the wrong image. The one you uploaded is a bunch of retarded prepubescent fucktards who put all their lunch money into link

[Anonymous No.8919414]

>>8919364
why should anyone give a single fuck about proving shit to you? don't like the coin then don't buy it or read about it. you like wasting your life on things you apparently hate? kys you fucken faggot.

[Anonymous No.8919440]

>>8919390
>>8919400
>>8919414

What platform or platforms can a node run on?

[Anonymous No.8919459]

>>8919414

This

Gave me a nice Monday morning chuckle

[Anonymous No.8919466]

>>8914564
Those 100 developers are there to build and maintain customized apps for enterprises on the platform. This is where Vechain will be making most of their money (90%+)...enterprise software sales.

The network is cheap, it fundamentally has to be in order to be successful. Vechain is going to make a lot of money, but you aren't invested in Vechain....your buy in is just network access. Have you seen?

[Anonymous No.8919468]

>>8919440
kys you stupid faggot. why do you waste your life doing this? you don't like vechain then fuck off and forget about it. is this how you get enjoyment in your pathetic fucken life or are you getting paid for your efforts? either way kys.

[Anonymous No.8919491]

>>8919466
>This is where Vechain will be making most of their money (90%+)...enterprise software sales.
Vechain is a not-for-profit foundation you dense cunt, neck yourself.

[Anonymous No.8919494]

>>8919468
Is vechain compatible with ubuntu? Linux? Mac?

[Anonymous No.8919521]

>>8919494
seriously kys you oxygen thief.

[Anonymous No.8919524]

>>8919368
Got a reference for how much administrative costs will be saved?

[Anonymous No.8919533]

>>8919521
How many tx per second on the blockchain right now?

[Anonymous No.8919581]

>>8919494
Nodes will be run on linux. Shady stuff to say the least.

[Anonymous No.8919601]

>>8919533
10000 a sec
Whitepaper is getting released before mainnet i suppose.

[Anonymous No.8919639]

>>8919581
>>8919601
Source?

[Anonymous No.8919693]

>>8919639
Linux was on the system requirements on running nodes just recently 10000tx has been sited for months you really havent read about it at all have you? Google vechain 10000tx like i just did please im on win8 mobile its hell.

[Anonymous No.8919694]

>>8919491
So what are the 100 devs for anon? Those kind of number mean they have many different projects in development. They are building out solutions for targeted use cases...like supply chain management. Accessing that software isn't going to be offered for free.

[Anonymous No.8919707]

Every reddit soyboy is already in this coin. It'll go up but the growth is going to be slow.

[Anonymous No.8919716]

>>8919693
Whos the lead developer?

[Anonymous No.8919744]

Lol @ muh growth will be slow
Ven is the one of a few coins in the top 20 that isn't down 50%+ since jan 1. $2.20 on jan 1st so almost up 100% since this yr. Name one coin in the top 20 thats performed anywhere near as well in that time.

[Anonymous No.8919749]

>>8919694
>what are the 100 devs for
To accelerate the adoption of the Vechain blockchain and therefore increase the valuation of VET.

[Anonymous No.8919764]

This is the coin that bridges blockchain and mainstream adoption, bitcoin had first movers advantage for being the first crypto Vechain will have first movers advantage for being the first to actually be used.

500 billion market cap in 5 years

[Anonymous No.8919770]

https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/https-medium-com-vechainofficial-authority-masternodes-4c1233c6f18e

Heres about the node system requirements.

[Anonymous No.8919787]

>>8919716
Gu Jianliang is their CTO

[Anonymous No.8919830]

>>8919716
Some guy named gu i think. The one with lots of patents, beats me man. Synny doesnt know how to code.

[Anonymous No.8919854]

>>8919787
https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/introducing-vechains-cto-gu-jianliang-to-the-community-81f7343f583b

[Anonymous No.8919859]

>>8919764
I'd like to see VEN hit $100 this year and turn a lot of /biz/ tards into millionaires. I'm rooting for all of us who took the risk to invest in this coin.

[Anonymous No.8919871]

>>8919764
>500 billion market cap in 5 years
Only degenerate speculators will touch VET at that price. Enterprise users will not pay more than they need to for Thor.
>>8919716
Bin Qian. Good luck finding any info on him.

[Anonymous No.8919875]

>>8919764
What incentive would there be to hold a node is the market cap was 500 billion? Everyone would want to be rich as fuck by selling their stack instead of holding to generate THOR...which isn't going to be worth anywhere near enough to justify locking up many millions of dollars.

[Anonymous No.8919887]

>>8919871
VET could be $10,000 a pop and it wouldn't have the slightest impact on the cost to use the blockchain. Pretty smart that twin-token system, eh?

[Anonymous No.8919890]

>>8919875

[Anonymous No.8919902]

>>8919716
So you buying? All those articles may very well be fabricated. Scams are getting more elaborate with lots of money involved. Theres lots of money in real business opportunities also. Wasa wasa

[Anonymous No.8919926]

>>8919887
Duh....you willing to lock up a fat stack of VET at that price to run a node? You kids are delusional. The price of VET is not independent of THORs consumption value. You want to believe it is....but it's just not how this works.

[Anonymous No.8919978]

I think the lead developer was named vitamin...vitali something.

[Anonymous No.8920018]

The icos on vechain are gonna be hot shit

[Anonymous No.8920049]

>>8919887
You have serious mental health issue

[Anonymous No.8920073]

>>8913404
Fucking hell, I have been posting about the high probability of this happening ever since waltoncucks have been spamming the "VeChain outsources their RFID hardware so walton must be better" copypasta and NOBODY FUCKING LISTENED TO ME.

[Anonymous No.8920113]

>>8920018

Best thing is that the Vechain tokens will be locked for 2 years..

[Anonymous No.8920135]

>>8919871
>talks about the wants and needs of enterprise users
>never left his bedroom
I love how the NEETs on this cartoon porn image board know so much about enterprise users. You’ve spoken to many about this?

[Anonymous No.8920136]

I remember after the january crash all the retarded VEN shilling

>MUH $100 by rebrand
>MUH $1K END OF YEAR
>MUH PEOPLE'S BANK OF CHINA

[Anonymous No.8920680]

>>8919926
>>8920049
i guess you haven't read through this thread where the whole thing was explained.

[Anonymous No.8920752]

>>8920136
And it would have happened too, if it wasn't for the pesky crash! Don't forget, Tron went x160 in a month, ADA x100 in 2. VeChain going to $100 wasn't out of the realm of possibility with the level of hype it was generating - unfortunately the market had other plans.

[Anonymous No.8920916]

>>8920680
Shut the fuck up you dumbass

[Anonymous No.8920962]

>>8920916
found the 13 year old

[Anonymous No.8921013]

>>8920916
Man those Walton bags must be astronomically heavy buddy

[Anonymous No.8921061]

The degenerates will fomo in at 100k+ sats

[Anonymous No.8921066]

>>8921013
You must be the same shill with mental health issue thinking anyone who disagree with you is automatically a Walton holder. You are (((pathetic))).

[Anonymous No.8921068]

I think ICON is a much better project :)

[Anonymous No.8921476]

>>8921066
i don't think you know what those brackets represent on this board.
at least we know now who really has the mental health issue.
>hint: it's you

[Anonymous No.8921528]

>>8921013
Any criticism must be a Walton holder. You do realise every single VEN thread is free publicity for Walton right? Keep getting that name out there you idiot lol.