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867671 No.867671 [Reply] [Original]

Who /losthope/ here?

25 interviews later and my summer is completely wasted. I
>graduated with a BS in math
>worked with over a dozen staffing agencies
>applied to positions and companies well below me
>went to a career coach and spent 400 dollars for hours of counceling and a redo of my resume, LinkedIn and cover and thank you letters
>use sites like Indeed, Glassdoor, Beyond, TheLadders, Dice, ZipRecruiter, Monster, etc..,. almost everyday
>stopped jerking it, playing vidya in order to maximize productivity
>spoke with hiring managers to get feedback for not getting the job

Having a STEM degree and a years worth of IT internship experience isn't enough to get me hired for a 30K a year position at some huge conglomerate or a small company.

/losthope/ general also don't fall for all the memes that I did /biz/

>> No.867677

>staffing agencies
>paying money for resources you can find online and skills you should have gained by your degree
>not spending your time on personal projects to make yourself more interesting

>> No.867678

>>867671
I don't believe it.

How in the fuck can you not find a job when I was a 28 year old mildly autistic socially anxious idiot who took 8 years to finish college and smoked tons of weed the whole time. I had no experience and no internship and no connections. Yet in 12 months time I had a job paying 40k with benefits. I'm still here three years later and I guess they're happy with me because they keep giving me raises.

>> No.867682

>>867671
Why don't you work in software? I don't believe it either.

>> No.867684

You should have worked through your uni to do these things anon

>> No.867693

>>867671
have you tried relocating to an area where your position is in high demand?

maybe the market of your area is saturated?

>> No.867709

>>867671
>>867678
I have 6 six years of engineering college total, 4 undergrad and 2 grad, with enough grad courses to be awarded a coursework only masters. I wanted to see what's available in the industry and the only offer I got was for 40k/year. Needless to say, I didn't even bother calling back.

>> No.867713

>>867671
>>867709
apply for shit jobs you twatburgers.
i'm not saying mcdonalds or labour jobs, do something like work in a call centre or anything. Get some confidence, get good at what you're doing, get some references and then apply for harder shit to get into.

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867725

I'm a 23 y/o fresh grad software ingeneer with 2 years of experience developing based web Lab and HealthCare Management Systems. Am I a good catch?

>> No.867744

>>867725
no, because you also browse tumblr

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>>867678
>How can you not find a job after 3 months?
>I found one after 12 lol

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867827

>>867671
>BS in math
Why did you get a useless degree? So you could shitpost about how gay the engineers on /sci/ are?

>> No.867887

>>867827
>le useless degree maymay
thought I'd go into research but nope

also made this thread so I could tell other /biz/ness men not to fall for the memes that I did.

>> No.867888

>>867709
LMAO there's your problem. You take what you can get and work your way up. Beggars can't be choosers you entitled weeb. You may not like this job but at least you had the chance to get some real world experience that could be used to apply for better, higher paying jobs in the future. Too bad you blew it anon.

>> No.867916

>STEM majors
>Not being sperglords who can only follow direct instructions

I dont know why 4chan has such a hard on for STEM majors. The select few who have decent social and critical thinking skills have it made, but the rest (i.e. 4chan's population) are fucked.

Should have picked up a respectable liberal arts double major.

>> No.867932

If you're an American with a math degree all you need is your teaching license and you'll have more jobs than you can imagine. The downside is that they'll all be teaching degrees. But hey, summers off is pretty sweet.

>> No.867949

>>867671

I don't consider B.S. Math as STEM.

Maybe because I'm an engineer? lol. Math is all theory. Should have went to engineering something which is a lot more practical. It is not too late. Go back to school.

I graduated in 2010 and it was a bad year for jobs. Stayed in school for a master's and I had three internships during that time. Graduated in 2013 and got a job after 11 months. I only had 7 interviews so I guess you suck at interviews like I do.

I bet you are a quiet guy. Very reserved, shy. That is why no one is calling you back.

The only reason I was hired was because my friend happened to work at the company that I applied to. I ended up interviewing for a position in his group and he told the hiring manager that I was good.

Ask friends to help you out.

Let me know if I am spot on about you.

>>867725
Your job will be outsourced in your lifetime.

>>867709
40K is better than 0k. Take whatever u can get and move on. You are not irreplaceable. Always remember that.

>>867932
That is why I chose engineering. I couldn't see myself being a math teacher. Oddly, my classmates always thought I'd make a good teacher. I'm good at explaining math stuff.

Captcha: pasta or noodles

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867959

>live in alberta
>took a 2 year college trade program
>oil prices means everything is fucked
>nobody is hiring, even if they were there's thousands of people laid off who have tons of experience
>4 months and only 1 job interview
>just started looking for general labour positions

>> No.867963

>>867959
Welcome to the global depression oilsandsbro. It's the same shit in Toronto only with the service sector.

>> No.867967

>>867963
>>867959
muh oil bros

I work in the supply chain in Texas and I've had like 10 hrs of work these past 2 weeks. I've been going to college in the meantime and trying to figure out how to get partial unemployment.

>> No.867969

Threadly reminder not to respond to frog posting faggots

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>>867709
>the only offer I got was for 40k/year. Needless to say, I didn't even bother calling back.
Unless you're an MIT grad you're going to start at the entry level.

>> No.867979

>>867959
>>867963
>>867967

I'm losing 72% of my investment in a Canadian oil stock. I'll be holding for years... unless the company goes bankrupt. But I believe the sand niggers will bring the price of crude back to higher levels.

Captcha: soup

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>>867671
> mfw I studied economic history because I loved it, regardless of what the STEM fags told me about employability
> mfw I get accepted to every job interview or internship I apply to because I can namedrop my university (top-3 world ranking)

Stay mad STEMfags

>> No.868007

>>867949
>The only reason I was hired was because my friend happened to work at the company that I applied to. I ended up interviewing for a position in his group and he told the hiring manager that I was good.

Does that only work when you're going into a department your reference works in? How good are references that work in the company but not the same department?

>> No.868010

>>867949
>I don't consider B.S. Math as STEM

Then what does the M stand for?

>> No.868016

>>868010
Meme, as in "Let's meme an entire generation to flood the labor market and drive wages down."

>> No.868025

>>868010
medicine

>>868016
You know it's true though. Fuck the STEM meme. Now you have people like OP shitposting about no work when you know they were one of those that wouldn't shut the fuck up about their job prospects.

>> No.868029

Is Actuarial Science a meme degree or does the finance portion of it redeem it?

>> No.868030

>>868029

It's a meme degree if you don't get recruited before you even graduate.

>> No.868032

>>868030
So it's just like every other degree?

>> No.868043

>>868032

Yes, so long as there is somebody more fortunate to mock you about it.

>> No.868062

>>867949
>math is all theory
Stopped reading

>> No.868065

Realistically, what are the best ways for someone after graduation to get a job if they've never had an internship? I'm two years out of Uni and I've been working temp jobs and hourly office gigs. I think I might have something good come through for me soon but I can't be too sure.

>> No.868067

>>867709
This cannot be real. Why not search for that better job while receiving a paycheck?

>> No.868069

>>867888
>>867949
>>867977
I'm currently employed and fresh graduates with just a bachelors were getting offers for at least 50k/year. Anything else than 55k/year was actually pretty uncommon, and 60k/year was the average. An offer for 40k/year after I've been out of undergrad for two years and have experience that matches closely what they want is not even worth wasting more of my time on.

>> No.868070

>>868069
Anything less than 55k/year*

>> No.868076

Fucking normies with degrees and highschool education complaining about how tough life is.

Fuck you.

>> No.868080

>>868076

Get the fuck out, higher education isn't even hard nor expensive if you play it right, so you just fucked up.

>> No.868098

>>867684
What's the point of university education, if you have to already be working? If you're working, you already have a god damned job.

>> No.868104

>>868098
> get good grades by working hard
> get into a top-tier (20 ranked) university
> get internships/job offers just based on the name of your alma mater

>> No.868120

>>867949
>you should work harder!
>you should study harder!
>you should market yourself harder!

>except for me, i got my job through a friend...

This is how the world works. Right there. Stop it with the tired old internet advice. People here came from warm and well connected families, they are divorced from the reality that most people face and they hate everyone outside their elitist groups. Be careful, they want to give advice but truly have no idea what they are talking about

>> No.868143

CompSci major here
I just used the connections on campus to land interviews. Basically went to the head of the CS department and asked if he knew who was hiring. Skipped the application process ask had three interviews set up for the next week. Offer was 65k (not in California, so it's actually a competitive offer) for entry level. Within a year and a half negotiated three raises to 80k. Now I'm shopping around for a new job and leverage my current firm to either pay me more or get a better job at a better firm

Take what you can get when you're just starting out, and climb from there

>> No.868150

>>868143
Do you think I can still use school for connections or is it too late after 2 years? Should I focus on getting back in touch with former classmates who landed good jobs?

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>>867671
5 years hardened, "seen and fixed a lot of retarded shit" sysadmin here

Not only have I been pegged as only being able to do finance IT, I can't find a position within finance IT because of my lack of college degree.

I've been applying to shit like helpdesk and Tier 1/2 support position and I either get told I'm overqualified or that my lack of certifications is a problem, but I'm never told which certifications matter because HR doesn't know when I ask them.

I'm just going to commit suicide soon, my 401k is worth nothing now because the stock market crashing and Best Buy won't even call me back.

>> No.868167

>>868150
Former classmates that aren't your current friends aren't going to care, they're trying to get ahead. I'd recommend looking through your alumni directory instead

If you do have any classmates that you're still friends with, ask them to refer you. Companies will dangle a referral bonus (mine does anyway). It won't be a shoe in, but it can probably land you in a better spot than sending your resume to jobs@company.com
>which is usually a proxy for trash.bin@jobs.com

>> No.868172

>>867949
Leave it to an engineer to be total fucking idiot. Your field is going to be outsourced.

>> No.868174

>>868069

>working a job, gaining experience, and getting paid $40k is a waste of time

This is why NOBODY will hire you. If you're too lazy to do work at $40k, what is going to change with another $10k? I'd much rather have the hard worker who is hungry for an opportunity than someone who thinks he's entitled to everything.

If you had taken the 40k, you could have that 50-60k job right now probably. Instead, you have shit. Good job fido.

>> No.868176

>>868167
How about former bosses in companies I temped for? I got along well with my last boss but she worked in a financial service company. She offered to put in recommendations for me if I ever asked (which I have done, I'm under review for 4 positions at the company thought it's been ages and there's been no news).

>> No.868180

>>868143

What had you used to initiate each raise? Also, had the mentioned that you were asking for raises over and over?

>> No.868193

Only been NEET a few months and this thread is making me nervous.

>> No.868200

I have been a NEET since last summer. I've never had an interview and I applied to hundreds of jerbs.

>> No.868205

>>868193
What kind of NEET? A NEET or a college educated NEET?

I'm not a NEET but I am underemployed as hell. Don't fuck it up like me.

>> No.868214

>>868205
A NEET who worked the same job for 15 years without needing a degree before getting fired on some bullshit. Almost done a two year music production degree which was more about helping me network than anything. I'm shit at networking though and I barely spoke to anyone because I was so dead from work and school. Good thing I have at least 6 months of rent saved up.

>> No.868223

>>868080
I didn't even finish high school, so fuck off normie scum.

>> No.868228

Non-STEM here.

Fucked up my best prospective interview a few weeks ago. Would've probably been 40k, maybe more. Suicide is constantly on my mind.

>> No.868237

>>868228
Join the military or trades.

>> No.868251

>>867671

it's because you're a white male and the so called economic recovery is actually just a smoke screen.

>> No.868252

>>868237

Military maybe. I'm 26 with a master's degree, so I assume I could find decent POG work.

>> No.868264

>>867671
25 interviews? must be your personality.

dont you have friends who can hook you up with a job?

>> No.868272

>>868007
I did not know that my friend worked there. The hiring manager saw which school I went to and asked if I knew my friend. This is my first job. I don't have experience with references.

>>868120
salty

>>868172
your job will be outsourced before mine. oh wait, you don't have a job! faggot

captcha: kayaks

>> No.868273

>>868174
I'm getting paid almost as much for what is essentially a part time job with no real supervision over how many hours I work, you retarded fuck. If I took that shit offer I would be doing nothing but setting myself back because future employers would also know they can offer me shit.

$40k/year straight out of undergrad is garbage. Two years later when I virtually have a Masters degree it's an insult. I live in one of the largest cities in the US and 40k/year is absolute shit here.

>> No.868279

>>868228
money is worthless, for everything else there's mastercard.

money is not worth your life. your life has worth!

captcha: food

>> No.868282

>>868223
sounds like a personal problem

>> No.868287

>>868273
nigga! no need to yell.

i hope you're learning valuable skills in the meantime.

>I virtually have a Masters degree

VR? Virtual Reality? lol. get it done son! quit bitching.

captcha: waffles.

>> No.868295

>>868287
No, I have enough course work completed to get masters if I were to withdraw from the program that I am currently in. Hence, why I "virtually" have a masters degree.

Grad school sucks, but it doesn't suck enough to accept an offer for $40k/year now when I can grind out three more years for roughly the same pay and get an offer for at least $80k/year. The $40k/year offer wasn't even the initial offer I received, but what he bumped it up to. Not to mention that job wasn't interesting, or even the position that I originally applied for.

>> No.868314

Hey /biz/, how's the market world-wide for someone with masters in CS?

>> No.868320

>>868295
i know what you mean. was just messing with u.

finish that project or thesis! or take the oral exam if your school has course-only option.

you better hurry. recession is coming up soon. 2016-2017

captcha burritos

>> No.868323

Mechanical/Aerospace Engineer here.

You guys want some advice on finding work? I work for a small business contractor doing short contract work. Most the big companies (Northrop, Lockheed, etc) hire the cream of the crop graduates and then subcontract the rest of the work out to small business contractors so they can fulfill small business goals that the government mandates. Instead of applying for these big companies, look for local small business contractors nearby and look through their job openings on their sites. Often enough, their jobs don’t get advertised on job search engines and top candidates don’t apply for these companies because they don’t want short term jobs. This usually means that these small companies can’t find enough qualified people to fill these jobs and they don’t get paid on the contract unless they fill the positions.

The only downside to these jobs is that they’re short term (anywhere from 4 months to a few years). The goal is to get experience though and leverage that to get a better, more permanent position later. You end up working with the cream of the crop graduates, doing the same work, making the same pay, but your badge is just different.

I spent a year after I graduated trying to find a job and was finally able to get an industry position making 50k. Not only that, I’m actively being scouted out by other contractors here for future work. I’ve been pointing most of my friends in the same direction and giving them the same advice.

This might not help all of you but maybe it’ll help some of you.

>> No.868325

>>867949

Fucking lol. You literally read instruction manuals for a living.

>> No.868357

>>868325
nigga!

i'm designing my own circuits! designing my own PCBs!! testing, automation.

what do u do?!? faggot!

captcha: soup

>> No.868361

>>867671
>BS in math
Lol

>> No.868371

>>868279

Th-thanks /biz/.

>> No.868399

>>868323
This. You STEM guys are going have to work with subcontractors for the few years of your career. The big companies only hire from the top schools. Its elitist but that's how it works. Eventually when you're mid career no one will care where you got your degree.

>> No.868420

>>868399
Is Purdue a top school for CS?

>> No.868426

>Had an internship for a year
>Didn't get a permanent job offer

You're probably not that good.

>> No.868431

>>868426
or the company didnt have budget?!
companies have been laying off tons lately

>> No.868434

>>868431
Unless the company is totally sinking, you won't get laid off if you bring value.

>> No.868445

>>868434
>bring company value
>company is losing money
The company comes before you, I hope you realize this reality of life. A lot of companies have been laying off people and the tech sector is laying people off in the tens of thousands.

>> No.868454

>>868323
>You end up working with the cream of the crop graduates
>making the same pay
>making 50k
You seem to be severely misinformed.

>> No.868458

>>868431
Even if that's the case, >>868426 is what the recruiters will think. If they do offer you a position it will be a low ball offer because they know you have zero leverage.

This is actually what the $40k/year offer I mentioned earlier in the thread is. I applied for a full time position and they offered me a year long internship with the possibility of full time employment afterwards.

>> No.868461

>>868176
It's interesting that you had good terms with those former bosses and yet they didn't extend a more permanent position. Situations differ I guess. But yes, I'd go so far as to ask former bosses if they have open position, especially at an internship level (shoot for paid). Good references are good but they won't bother with any reference you list until you're more towards the end of the process

>>868180
I simply said I was being head hunted and asked for a performance review early and often. You should do this anyway because you want to make sure that your bosses see you always looking for feedback and you're eager to outperform. Be careful not to over-ask for this feedback though. Then it looks like you're in need of hand holding.

They never said anything about getting repeated raises

>> No.868463

>>868434

my previous employer just layed off 25% of the workforce. some 3,000 employees. a year later, they have been acquired and will lay off another 2,000 employees. from 13K employees soon to 8K.

i'm sure the company didnt have money to hire him. specially since he was there for an entire year. if he was not look, he wouldnt have lasted that long.

>>868445
he must not be an engineer. i know msft, brcm, qcom have or will lay off thousands. i'm sure there are more but those are the first three that come to mind. boeing layed off thosands here locally.

captcha waffles

>> No.868481

>>868463
Tech and engineering are heading for a bust cycle. Plus you have to pay the execs their tens of millions of dollars salary and bonuses. Msft has been going to shit ever since that Indian guy took over. Qcom is the same. They laid 30,000 people and a lot of them were engineers. Engineers are valuable but they're always the first to be cut, because of their insane salary requirements. Twitter should be laying off people soon. They're doing pretty shitty financially. That's why their founder step down as CEO.

>> No.868484

>>867671
>BS in math
>IT internship experience
Looks like you are competing with CS degrees who most likely have minors in math. Which do you think an IT company wants OP?

>> No.868492

>>868323
How exactly do you go about finding these smaller business contractors?

>> No.868495

>>868492
Just use google. Literally type engineering contractors in (your city). You'll find dozens of them, and they usually have a lot of openings for engineers. Also you'll work with gray breads who know what the fuck they're talking about. These beards used to work for hte big companies but were pushed out for ageism.

>> No.868500

>>868495
Oh, engineering firms. Sorry, my degrees in Actuarial Math. I don't think they'll have much use for me.

Thanks for the tip though. I'm sure it will help someone.

>> No.868516

>>868500
Actuarial can be used anywhere. You can try financial analysis. You're more than qualified for it, I think.

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868519

I'm 20(about to be 21) and I haven't even gone to college yet and also have no idea what kind of degree i even want

is it too late for me

>> No.868523

>>868516
Really?

Well then I really do appreciate the assistance with that.

I'll certainly take a look at what I can do. Thanks for the advice.

>> No.868526

>>867671
Informational interviews
Networking
Use job postings as leads. Find likely hiring manager on LinkedIn. Meet him for informational interview.
85% of jobs are never posted online. Companies will always hire the person asking to work for them before they post a job, mostly on ambition alone (if they're not promoting from within)

Network to as many people as possible.

According to the Carnegie Associatiom for Advanced Learning, even in technical industries like engineering/stem, 90% of ones financial success is due to their people skills, ability to network, work with people, influence people.

Of course 99% of faggots on /biz/ don't know this, which is 99% of the board is faggots complaining or not knowing anything.
>inb4 HURRR DURRR MUH STEM
Fucking retards. I majored in communication and I'm making more than 90% of the STEM faggots here on /biz/, 6 months out of graduating

>> No.868531

>>868461

Were you being headhunted?

>> No.868536

>>868526
Just find the director of human resources and ask why your resume hasn't been viewed, yet. Most of them time, people don't ask or look for them. Hiring managers are HR peeps and they don't know what the job entails, so you ask them do you know anyone who i can talk to about the position or why its taking HR very long to read your resume.

>> No.868540

But did you looked him at the eye and shook his hand with a firm handshake?

>> No.868557

>>868540
No, I looked him in the eye and jerked him off with a firm grip.

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868589

>studying computational mathematics with minor in finance
>tfw even if my job search fails post uni my husband still makes 150k a year

who /housewife/ here

>> No.868606

>study journalism
>land 50k a year job

Stay mad, stemcucks

>> No.868611

>>868606
Can't outsource perfect English grammar and perfect verbal english skills to Punjeet from Inia can we?

STEM on the otherhand? You literally have all the Indians and Chinks in the world ready to replace you.

HAHAHAHA.

>> No.868619

>>868611
It's harder to bait with post IDs, man

Everyone can see how hard you are trying though and applaud the effort

>> No.868620

>>868536
>Just find the director of human resources and ask why your resume hasn't been viewed, yet. Most of them time, people don't ask or look for them
I did for Twitter and the bitch said I wasn't qualified even though I was

Then the job got taken by someone with a history degree and one internship with shit grades. Don't ask me how I knew that, I extracted info out of an employee

>> No.868627

>>868620
She probably knew him through friends or family. Also your interpersonal communication might have been shit when you talked to her. Or she was banging him on the side. A lot of casting couch in the corporate world. Very, very common.

>> No.868639

>>868461
It wasn't a higher end temp job and I decided to leave for a permanent position in hopes that I could move up in the role I had just taken. Bit of a mistake really, as only realized just how limited advancement in the company was until I started.

She had surprisingly good connections, got me some informational interviews with actuaries in the company and whatnot.

>> No.868643

>>868619
nice job. lulz

>> No.868644

>>868526
Just how much should you stay in contact with the person you have an informational interview with? I got a contact from mine and I've asked him questions every now and then but I really would like to get the most out of the relationship that I can.

>> No.868646

>>868627
I'm genuinely considering suicide, and tbis isn't an act of showing off. I'm really not in a good position now after graduation and already taken up a retail job and a dishwashing job

I have a Econ and psych double major, I wanted to work in any entry level business development like role and it's not helping. I went to professionals and my resume isn't the issue nor are my custom made covered letters targeting unique employers

I've applied to 180 in two months. Can anyone offer me advice? I cry myself to sleep every night

>> No.868657

>>868646
>two months
Jeez, I have been looking since last summer. You're barely beginning.

>> No.868662

>>868657
Not too different from you m8. I've been at this from the beginning of 2014.

>>868646
Try for a temp job. It's a good way to get in a company and develop some office skills in the meantime. I'm not going to give you some uplifting speech. It's shit for all of us.

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868670

>mfw Australian
>never have to pay back crushing student loans
>feeling pity for americanbros who have a lifetime of crushing debt servitude ahead of them

>> No.868675

I'm in my first year, in my first week of college. I'm studying pre-physics/astrophysics. I have an ROTC scholarship that'll kick in next semester provided I do well enough in class and pass a PT test. Is there anything I can do to better my chances in the future of getting a job? Keep in mind that I'm going to be commissioned as an officer in the army leaving college for a few years.

>> No.868679

>>868670
Canadafag here. Same deal though we are slowly catching up with those cunts especially in the more popular universities where demand is seemingly high af.

>> No.868686

>>868679
No. Literally. Australia has a system where we get interest free loans that we aren't obliged to pay back. We only do it through our taxes if we earn over 51k a year.

I love Australia.

>> No.868695

>>868646
Be retardedly aggressive. Don't just send your resume, keep on calling potential employers until they interview you. If they fill the position, ask them what they didn't like about you. Lie about yourself if you have to, seriously lying works fucking wonders. Try to meet people in person as often as possible as well. Network like fucking crazy, go to job fairs and have actual conversations with everybody, not just the employers. Make friends, and once again, if it'll help you build relationships, lie about yourself.

>> No.868698

>>868686
Is it interest free forever or only until you finish schooling? Because we have something similar called "OSAP" or some shit and the deal is that interest starts after you finish school (even if you don't have a job yet).

>> No.868706

>>867725

In a way, no. Business owners that hire others always know who is going to stay for life and who -like yourself - is destined for more than a shitty salary at a 9 to 5

So while perhaps youre a good catch, you're a slippery fish that will soon escape, and if it costs time or money or both to train you, it may not be the best idea

>> No.868708

>>868698
It's adjusted for inflation.

>> No.868711

>>868698
"There is no interest charged on HELP debts.

Your accumulated HELP debt is subject to indexation, which is applied on 1 June each year to maintain its real value by adjusting it in line with changes in the cost of living (as measured by the Consumer Price Index (CPI) figure released in March).

Debts are not indexed until they are 11 months old."

>> No.868717

>>868708
>>868711
Wow. Australia has higher fucking standards than Canada.

Though I'm still happy because no matter how bad it gets, it's still better than in the south. Prices are in general at least a third of what they are down there not including conversion rates.

The only real problem is if shit hits the fan in the U.S. and suddenly they git the bright idea to stampede over to our noble wasteland pieces of tundra. If that happens. Pray for me Ausbro.

>> No.868722

>>868646
I applied to over 300 jobs and averaged 1 interview for every 100 jobs applied to.

100 applications = 1 interview.

i got a job because one of my friends happened to work in the group i was applying for. i had no idea he worked there.

and it took me 11 months to find work. don't kill yourself lol. it's just money.

captcha pickup trucks

>> No.868728

>>868717
>Implying Americans are fit enough to have mass exodus

More like a fatodus amirite

>> No.868731

>>868679
>catching up with those cunts

amerifag here. what do u mean?

>> No.868733

>>868731
It means your country is trash.

>> No.868736

>>868731
I specifically meant university tuition prices. Of course there is a lot of variation though.

>>868728
Oh you.

>> No.868737

>>867959
come to Quebec, our economy isn't resource based so shit is pretty booming now that we're on a good currency to export with.

>> No.868738

>>868536
>hiring managers are HR peeps

You are so fucking wrong. The hiring manager is usually the manager who you'll be working under if you get the job.

>>868644
Ideally you meet him once, and ask him really good questions, get him talking a lot. Ask for some advice on what to do short term. In about a week send them a message thanking them for meeting, and show that you've taken their advice and how you see it benefitting. For example, a guy told me to get Google Analytics certified. I got my GA certification a few days later. I messaged him thanking him for the meeting (he made a lot of great points) and how I got Google Analytics certified like he suggested. I then asked if he had any open positions because I "think he is a strong leader." He gave me the job. Over 50 people applied online, but not one of them took my approach, and the boss liked that on principle alone.

>> No.868751

>>868738
>I then asked if he had any open positions because I "think he is a strong leader."

Well shit, I could have handled my version of it better. Still, I think I'm in a better boat than anyone else. Basically, after a few weeks of seeing actuarial positions open up that I wasn't qualified for I saw one open up that I could apply for. I emailed him and inquired over whether or not the amount of actuarial exams I had passed was sufficient qualifications. He said it was so I applied and told him I had and sent my appreciations. I think he did put in a good word for me because the next day my application went from "Submitted" to "Under Review". I'd never seen one of my applications switch over that fast so I must have done something right in his eyes. However, it's been a month and I've heard nothing back so I am a bit worried. However, they could be holding back on hiring what with all the market turmoil. Still, at least I haven't gotten a denial.

Shit, I really wish I had done something like you. You're good at this shit.

>> No.868755

>>868523
Anything risk management related is right up your alley. Trying doing the CFA Level 1 to get some basic finance background and you can probably get a job at any small shops (if you live in such a big city). Learn to program on the side as well so you can possibly get into the HFT algo game. If not, you can always do risk management for insurance companies. There's plenty of work out there for you...

>> No.868771

>>868120

anon gets it.

>> No.868777

>>868755
CFA, huh? I suppose studying for that wouldn't be too different from studying for my actuary exams. As far as programming what kind of languages would you suggest? I have some background in Java.

>> No.868785

>>868646

opportunity is everywhere, you just have to consider the most extreme possible things you could do.

Go Jack Kerouac on everyone's ass.

anything is better than suicide.

>> No.868819

>>868646
I'm on the same boat. Graduated over a year ago, sent bulk applications everywhere. Have had two interviews. First one I thought I did well in, but they ended up going with the kid of another departments boss, second one the guy that interviewed me couldn't have made it any more clearer he didn't want me there at all.

If it wasn't for me owing my parents a fuckton of money, I probably would have offed myself already

>> No.868842

Due to a medical emergency I had no control over, I was fucked up for a mere couple of weeks. Lost my job and have been trying since to get a new one. Anyone. I had to drop out of college too since I was paying out of pocket. I tried to get financial aid but was denied even though I had no source of income and my family is poor as fuck. I fucking tried everywhere. Even Taco Bell.

Nobody is hiring, and the places that are get flooded with thousands of applications. I think I am truly fucked.

What should I do? It's been 3-4 months. I am legit malnourished and scrawny as fuck.I don't have a car to sleep in and ill get kicked out soon. legit 0 in my bank account. My credit is fucked due to not being able to pay $3,000 in medical bills.

>> No.868845

>>868842
Please help me. I'm really scared of the near future.

>> No.868872

>>867671
why don't you apply for positions well above you? by applying to positions well below you, you only show your worth is well below what it actually is.

>> No.868873

>>868842
Where do you live? Do you have any friends or family that you can crash at until you get your shit together?

>> No.868875
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868875

>>867671
>Graduated with BA in History
>Got a cozy office job since my mom works there

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868879

>>867671

This
>>867678

Seriously I fucked around in a fraternity, smoked weed, got a BS in chem and got a job offer before I even graduated. Where'd you go to college OP?

>> No.868883

>>868873
friends maybe. I live with parents right now but they are losing their shit at me "for not trying hard enough" and saying shit like "back in my day I could find a job in 2 weeks tops, pay debt/get new car within 1-2 months". Even though he is working the exact same job he had since he moved to america 20 years ago.

I can't stand being shamed by them every day every other hour. Plus they might kick me to the curb anyways. Which pisses me off because another reason im not in college anymore is because i gave them lots of money when they begged for it over some stupid credit card thing.

I'm only 19, turning 20 in feb.

I live in northern virginia 10 mins from washington DC. I am completely lost, depressed as fuck, and starting to go a little crazy. I even fantasize about robbing a bank or some big heist and moving far away and starting life over. Fuck.

>> No.868894

Just get a job off the job tree faggot (PS it's in Joblandia).

>> No.868898

>>868519

Naw, seems to me like you're ahead of most of the people in the game for not dropping 100k on a useless degree.

>> No.868901

>30
>two apartments
>non-wageslave job
>no money
I think I'm doing alright...

>> No.868910

>>868883
do you have any talents? what did oyu do your entire childhood?

I got really good at guitar and setting up audio, so worse comes to worse I can always move to Seattle or something and squat with hobo musicians.

>> No.868915

going back to school after 5 year lay-off
have shit gpa from last go 'round
returning this year to finish a math and econ double
have no idea how i'll get any sort of interview with a 2.2 gpa
i really want to be an actuary but my school has no program for it
reading up on everything but it's intimidating and seems a lot more competitive than just finding some shit analyst position
here goes nothing i guess

>> No.868916

>>868910
No talents really. I'm super weak so i dont think construction would take me.

>> No.868917

>>868883
>"back in my day I could find a job in 2 weeks tops, pay debt/get new car within 1-2 months"

If they actually view things like this and compare it with today then they are so stupid that they are not worth conversing with. With that being said though you could probably buy a car in 2 months after getting a job as well. Though it wouldn't be a good one.

Just keep searching man one day something has to turn up. If you get kicked out tell your patents to remember that moment. World is on the cusp of the greatest depression in the world and they are throwing their son/daughter into the street. Literally crash at whoever's place you possibly can. When things get better in 10 years (let's hope) remind your parents what they did to you when they start coming around for help.

>> No.868918

>>867671

Grad school :)

>> No.868920

>>868916
hmm. are you hot at least?

>> No.868922

>>868915
>shit GPA
that's no hurdle for a job. Lots of people with shitty GPAs in the corporate world.

>> No.868924

>>868920
If I were to get fit i'll be average atleast, but im skinny as fuck and look like a skeleton, worse when im tall.

But I did had sex with a few decent girls. So I much not be that ugly. But that was a confidence thing, I feel nothing like I used to.

>> No.868925

>>868924
go to CC and live out of a van then

>> No.868926

>24, college dropout, no work experience
>been trying to find work for like a year and a half now
>gonna try some church employment program and see if I can find something there

>> No.868927

>>868924
Just search LinkedIn for the hiring manager or director of HR. Then message them on LinkedIn or if they have an email in their profile. Ask about their job or if the company is hiring.

>> No.868929

>>868922
i've just been reading actuary forums and they seem to be highly selective in the hiring process. i should stop reading that stuff and plow forward.

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868933

>>868883
>10 mins from washington DC
>I even fantasize about robbing a bank or some big heist
IT'S PAYDAY FELLAS

>> No.868939

> be minority with bachelors in CS
> get ez internships without even trying
> always called in for interviews
> had job before I even graduated with a 2.8 gpa
> reneged that job offer at the last minute because someone else offered $15k more
> get offers from head hunters on LinkedIn all the time

why do people even choose to be white anymore?

>> No.868941

>>868929
Just don't put it. Most jobs don't ask for it.

>> No.868945

>>868939
Holy shit this. I'm a black male with a 3.6 from an Engineering Program and I got so many god damn offers it isn't funny. Stanley Black & Decker, Pratt & Whitney, and Sikorsky all offered me very nice positions within their companies but I went with a smaller firm that was willing to pay me 10k more a year.

>> No.868947

>>868933
Let's be honest here guys, if you feel that your whole life is fucked and nothing but dead end jobs, poverty and misery is in your future wouldn't you say fuck it?

I worked hard all my life, never broken the law, never took handouts. I don't even want a high paying job or to become rich, I would gladly accept tho, I just want to survive.

I'm a minimalist, I just want atleast basic income. a small apartment, enough food, internet connection, a cheap car and clothes(I usually buy from thrift stores, highly recommend goodwill in rich white areas). That's all I want man. Not the newest cars or iphones and other pointless status symbols. I just want a simple life and I can't even have that.


Sorry for being all emo and faggy, hard times man.

>> No.868957

>>867709
Jesus fucking christ stop spamming this board with your retarded grad school failure story.

It's painfully obvious that your problems in life are entirely your doing. You are a fucking immature manchild. Please stop posting; you contribute absolutely nothing of value to this board.

>> No.868961

>>867949
>I don't consider B.S. Math as STEM
>Science, Technology, Engineering, and MATH
Either you're baiting real hard, or you are completely and utterly retarded.

>Your job will be outsourced in your lifetime.
>Actually buying into this meme

>> No.868982

I'm just a janitor but i've never had problems finding jobs.

>> No.868985

>>868957
And what did you contribute, king faggot, other than a whiny posts that isn't even on topic?

My only problem in life is that I went to college rather than going into trades like I originally planned. It wasn't my idea, and I had considerable connections in trades versus zero connections in engineering. If you're not a darkie and/or woman, connections are the only way to get a job in engineering that isn't the bottom of the barrel trash.

>> No.868999

>>868985
>says that I'm the one making "whiny" posts
Au contraire mon ami

>calls me "king faggot"
>claims he's in grad school not middle school

>says he "virtually" has an MS
>doesn't just fucking graduate and get a job because he's a manchild with no social skills
>is probably hated by everybody in his department, especially his supervisor.

>> No.869003

>>868985
>going to college wasn't my idea

>Waahhhh it's all mommy and daddy's fault!
>Why can't they get me a job now?

Nice sense of accountability you fucking infant

>> No.869007

>>868985
>>868999
>>869003
Go get a room you love birds. You faggots would enjoy each other assholes.

>> No.869009

>working okay job at private company
>apply to city job
>score top 10 for the job and they are going to have a bunch of positions because a number of people are going to be retiring
>job basically involves shouting at people (i'm not even joking) and pays more than current job
it's not like your fancy degree jobs but considering the requirements it's pretty damn good

>> No.869012

Reposting from >>868980

>Before I start, I'd like to force home that I am nowhere near "the norm" for my trade in terms of salary. I make several times more than most.
>What I am: A machinist.
>What I make per year, gross: $130k
>What exactly I do: Prototyping for a major engineering firm. Lots of DoD contracts, NASA, some private firms, ect. We get stuff from places like Boeing from time to time.
>Some jobs are all manual work - good old fashioned lathe work, mill work, surface grinders, ect.
>Some jobs I need to use the CNC mill/lathe or the wire EDM, or the laser. Occasionally we'll use the 3D printer. Depends on what's fastest.
>Most jobs, I use at least one combination from the two groups. I'm not just giving the engineers a working prototype, I have to tell them what could be changed to make it easier/quicker/cheaper to manufacture.
>I've got my name on more than a few patents alongside the engineers. I can't tell you how many times we've had to essentially re-work an entire concept because the guy that thought it up didn't look at his print and think to himself "Now how am I supposed to make this?"

>But like I said, I'm at the top of my field. Been doing it for the better part of 40 years. You start at the bottom. Nobody takes you seriously in your first two years. If you're good at what you do and good at selling yourself/making connections, you get a good job, but it takes time. Helps if you're willing to move.

>They'll have to force me to retire at this rate. /biz/ likes to talk big about "hacking it" and being able to retire at 30, but for me nothing beats actually making something. Helping to drive technology forward.
>But like I said, I'm at the top of my field. What's big these days is CNC, and CNC machinists make ~$30/hour on average in the US/Canada these days. Largely depends on who you work for, and who you can work for all depends on how good you are at it.

>> No.869016

>>868999
>>869003
>being so butthurt you have to reply twice to my post
>>>/lgbt/

>> No.869023 [DELETED] 

So I'm almost 30 and working midlevel jobs. Not even management. Never been salaried. How fucked am I?

>> No.869024

got an offer to work as a mobile game tester. It pays pretty well. Should I accept it? I am freelancing as a event executive at a education organization and my target is a job in Marketing

>> No.869038

>>869024
by mobile game tester do they mean QA? if so, that must mean your current job pays pennies and event executive is codework for grunt work because QA is grunt work through and through. It's a mind numbing job because you have to replay things over and over and over to find bugs and do things you normally wouldn't. Gotta find them bugs and replicate them and tell the programmers how to do that so they can fix them. Sometimes your bugs don't even get fixed if the command says it isn't worth the time sink.

if you think you can handle the repetitiveness go for it

>> No.869181

>>869003
Here comes the Alpha!
Must feel good dishing out that "tough love" onto others less fortunate than you.

Because external/genetic/environmental factors don't mean anything right?

If everybody just "tried" harder as you did, they wouldn't where they are? Right?

Let me tell you something. Free will doesn't exist. You can't "will" anything into existence.
People like you believe in magic. Your a deluded moron.

>> No.869218

>>867671
>graduated with a BS in math
>wonders why he can't get a job with a meme degree
Topkek. Only demand in STEM is engineering and computer scientists, anything else is secondary m8.

>tl;dr
You got the liberal arts degree of STEM

>> No.869230

>>867671
>bachelors degree in business at mediocre school
>mediocre grades
>worked at best buy for a year after I graduated
>got 50k/yr jerb

If you have a degree in math try to get something in like customer service. If you cant find anything retail is a good way to go. The work sucks but honestly with retail experience you gain people experience which a lot of hiring managers will value. It worked for me. Working at Best Buy sucked but it was the best thing I'm so glad I stuck it out..

>> No.869278

>all these well educated people can't find jobs
>it's their fault
>couldn't possibly be the economy
>couldn't possibly be anything to do with corporate greed and offshoring

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>>868737
>good currency to export with
>all your exports need American/Foreign made tools/raw materials/packaging etc to be created
>China's currency worthless
>implying people aren't going to be buying the fuck out of Chinese goods cheaper than ever

It doesn't work like it used to. Everything Canadian exporters need has to be bought from the US or Overseas. Thus paying 30% more for what they need to manufacture.

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>>867671
>playing vidya in order to maximize productivity

>> No.870196

>>868080
How does it feel to be a ditch digger?

>> No.870198

>>868080
>>870196 meant for >>868223

>> No.870227

>Mfw no degree or experience
>35k a year
You should be ashamed

>> No.870236

>>870227
It's not that I can't. I already 5k less than that right now and given a few months I think I could move up and make more in my current roll. It's just that I'm not making as much as I could.

>> No.870245

>>870236
In a few months I'll be eligible for a position starting at 51k. You're either marketing yourself,, very poorly, or your resume isn't as good as you think.

>> No.870255

>>870245
How do you go about marketing yourself better? Should I try to find HR managers on LinkedIn and see if they have openings? I'm honestly curious.

>> No.870262

>>867671
>be me
>be 19
>45kUSD
>12k employer contribution to 401k
>no degree

Feels good bruh

>> No.870270

Why don't you try your hand at the actuarial exams? You should be able to crush the first two exams (Probability and Financial Mathematics) based on your education. Alternatively you can go to grad school for Quant Finance if slaving away at exams for 8-10 years isn't your thing, but grad school is obviously the more expensive route.

>> No.870287

>>870255
Bypass HR and network with managers/employees. Employee referals are a big help. Join clubs/ community events/ church groups and network.

>> No.870295

>>870287
Yeah, I actually did that with my last temp assignment. When I left my manager was more than happy to put in some references for me. I'm still waiting to hear back.

>> No.870335

>>870287
Do you think there are any particularly good events to network at? I was thinking about joining a bicycle club.

>> No.870511

/biz/ I graduated in may and still am looking for a job - thing is though I'm afraid I won't really remember much of anything I learned back in school beyond the basics, and because of that technical interviews scare me shitless...
Am I cucked?

>> No.870518

>major in finance
>third job in 2 years
>already doubled my starting salary

>> No.870539

I don't know if anyone would want to elaborate on my situation but here it is.

>high school education
>withdrew from cc (it was not a good school, but the only one my family would support me at)
>also obtained a part-time retail job during this, and became full-time after being promoted to a shift supervisor
>have been doing this for a couple years, purchased a car and have 15k plus a bit extra from a seasonal side job

>family will not help pay for any more college expenses if I choose to go back
>I've been working 6 days a week with both jobs but my full-time place just had massive hours cutbacks
>I volunteered to have my hours halved (40 to 20) and will use the loss to find a second job or go back to school

Now I don't know if I should try enrolling in school when there aren't many fields I feel experienced or interested in and because my money situation is not so good. I was thinking about getting a food-related job just to see if it'd be something I'd enjoy and if it turns out to be what I like then I could go to culinary school to gain more experience or something. I know with retail that it's not something I could see myself staying in as a career, and I don't want to be that person who works in a job that makes them miserable. I just wish my hobbies were more associated with money-earning degrees, I like to draw but I don't know if I could handle something like architecture.

>> No.870565

>>870511
Don't worry. They don't usually ask super technical questions, only ones to see if you can learn super technical things.

Even in this "great job market" according to the fed most new grads are having lots of trouble getting hired.
Blame outsourcing and wall street.

Just read the thread and smile.

>> No.870567

>>870518
Three jobs in two years doesn't look good. One a year is pushing it.

So did you go from 15 to 30k? =^]

>> No.870576

>>868947

I feel your pain brother.

military maybe?

teach english abroad? I heard Japan and China take a lot of people in for that.

>> No.870579

>>870565
That actually... relieves me a lot. I keep fearing I won't know enough or forget everything for an interview or job... now I just have to find one.

>> No.870583

>>868947
>i'm not materialist mang, i just want (list luxuries that most people didn't have)
>why can't i have it all
it's called entitlement anon.

>> No.870587

>30
>graduating with masters in Geophysics
>Oil at $38/barrel and dropping
>no jobs
>no hope
Only reason I don't off myself is I don't want to leave a mess for my landlord, he's a cool dude.

>> No.870588

>>870579
I mean study up on the basics, ask someone who already got interviewed by them for the same position, read up on the interview threads here and maybe post.

But seriously, /biz can have a lot of shitposting and memes. Watch out and rely on yourself and common sense 90% of the time.

For example, I just gave you advice but I'm a 19 year old going into my sophomore year. Yet I know at least this much since I go to a great school and have applied myself in job connection events.
So take my advice with a grain of salt, though my original relieving point is true.

>> No.870599

>>870587
Dude, oil will go back up again in time. It's in a downturn and you got screwed but if you are willing to work for the right price you'll be fine. Get that experience.

>> No.870680

>graduated in may
>1 request for a phone screening interview since
>missed the email because busy with family/doctors
>apologized
>told me we might talk again in september/october when they're hiring again
Fucking shit I have loans due in 3 months and my job opportunities are limited because 80% of jobs for my major require clearances. Should I just go for some retail job to be ready for the loan payments or wait out a few more weeks? I mean if this interview doesn't pan out I'll only have about 1 month before loans :(

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>>870680
trust me fam, don't ever put all your eggs on one interview basket, even if it sounded promising. Unless you have strong nepotism going, nothing is guaranteed.

>>867671
graduated may of this year with a STEM degree. the one thing I can say is I feel sorry for all of you guys with loans out the ass. Luckily my parents had savings so I graduated debt free, essentially. But shit is rough out there. Hang in there anons, we're all gonna make it.

or we won't and the university bubble will crash the economy

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871322

>graduated may in biochem
>no job
I did gay research for a year and decided that wasnt for me so fuck grad school. I applied to all the lab assistant position at the university i attended and havent heard back. think i might get some certification in some lab technician or EMT just to put off my loans and be more likely to get a job

>> No.871628

>B.S. in math

I can't believe this thread has any posts in it. You fucked up.

>> No.871642

>>871322
Apply for a job at Novo nordisk in Denmark.
Guaranteed hire for a biochemist.
You will be making crazy bank and living in the best country in the world.
You can thank me later :)

>> No.871652

>>867677

Staffing agencies are free for the job seeker ya pleb

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>>871642

>> No.871793

Probably been said but you'd be a shoe in for a programming role if you can pick it up quick enough

>> No.871797

>>868785
>>868785
>Go Jack Kerouac on everyone's ass

Damn this so much. I swear to God man people need to have some imagination. There's more productive things out there than just hurr durr gib me a job.

Don't put your future in the hands of employers.

He's free he could literally do anything he wants

>> No.871800

>>870587
if your landlord has multiple properties ask him if you can help him manage him, or you can even offer to do basic maintenance at the property you live at currently for reduced rent.

>> No.871801

>>867949
>Math is all theory

>> No.871804

>>868357
All you can do is call people niggers and faggots, you really had a shit league education, this is why people hate Math majors, they literally have 12 year old boy social skills on a 25 year old man and relate to people as horribly as a athematic pimply nosed fat bully with halitosis.

You kids think all grace, politeness is for the weak and anything not math is silly and useless, meanwhile people with literature, fine arts, philosophy, also chemistry and physics are able to relate to people on the human level and make them laugh and enjoy your company.

Anyway just try to be nicer to people.

>> No.871809

>>867949
>I bet you are a quiet guy. Very reserved, shy. That is why no one is calling you back.
Every math major I've ever met (who wasn't minoring/doubling in education) is an autistic, stubborn fuck that gives no shits and will gladly go great lengths to describe how wrong you are in anything you claim to have an opinion on... I would know.

OP probably just has the friendly persona of a pack of hornets.

>> No.871814
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>>867671
I'm heading towards a worse path since I have no internships and health problems. The only skills I could say are C++ and Python, since I can at least make gaymes and talk to my browser; and two actuarial exams. I'm empty inside.

>> No.871817

>>871809
You're generalizing a lot, but I can see that. Shit, I think I just did it.
There were two guys I knew that were exactly like that for any kind of topic though, it was unbearable.

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>>867671
come to germany
we need more people like you

>> No.871849

>>871831
Not OP, but why do you say that?

>> No.872159

>tfw don't even care
>tfw happy with my $1500/mo job and saving enough to retire
>tfw gonna sip martinis and watch jobs evaporate and basic income replace them

>> No.872164

>>871809
>>871817

i'm the OP that said he must be quiet or shy.

maybe i am mixing him up with engineers. i didn't actually get to know any math majors in school... they were on the other side of campus.

>> No.872183

>>871322
Go to pharmacy school. Depending on the job it can be a slog, but it'll be a six figure slog at least.

>> No.872190

>>867671

Top kek

>Be 26
>Graduate with an MA in psychology
>Immediately landed job straight away making about 60k

Planning on getting my PhD and opening a private practice so I can pull in 100k-200k+

>Stem master race
>kek

>> No.872201

>>871831
What if we cant speak german? What kind of people are in demand there?

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>>872190
A master for 60k? I went for a CS bachelor's, did 1 year of 43k, then jumped to 70k. That's 113k made in the 2 years it took you to get the masters where you lost money instead of earning it, now I'm still making 10k more with a big raise coming in January when funds get reallocated and my promotion finalizes.

I'm beating you, and I suck.

>> No.872215

>>872204
How about engineer with MBA, unemployed?

>> No.872217

>>872204

You can always make more money being a code monkey, if you can handle the tedium and the eye strain. But better than being poor I suppose.

>> No.872229

>>872190
Ayyyy

You got an MA in Psych, then? I was planning on going for an LCSW degree after I get my BS in Psych. I intend to go into generalized therapy. Am I making a poor decision? I am not concerned with making an intense amount of money, or I'd go into something far more lucrative. But I would like to maximize my earning potential within my chosen field.

Any tips, bruh?

>> No.872238

>>868675
Youre getting a commision and an 0-1 salary if you dont fuck up and army needs alot of meat so you really have to suck to not get your commision.

Source: Just graduated Marine Corps OCS but declined my commision because it was the most miserable I have ever been. No food, no sleep, getting weaker and more internal every day. No amount of money is worth that. I kinda started to feel like dying in battle isnt that bad because compared to the shit you have to deal with in the field, death is preferable.

So happy I no longer have to wake up at 3 am everyday to re mark gear or eat a Beef Stew MRE at 0000 before the 9 mile hump starts at 0030.

Legit dont feel bad for anybody in any job after going through that. Dont even feel bad for the slaves.

Beat the devils tattoo by Black rebel motorcycle gang, that is the theme song to Marine OCS.

>> No.872282

>>870583
food, clothes and internet and shelter aren't luxury items you dunce

>> No.872368

>>868223
lol

>> No.872433
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>Complete economics bachelor
>Want to do my master abroad, pick England
>Apply for LSE because I heard it was good, get accepted after some hassle
>Get there, make some friends
>Everyone is already going to interviews for jobs that won't start until next year
>Go to 3 firms, because it seemed a reasonable thing to do
>Think I came across as an autist, ill just look for a job after I'm done
>Get a call from one of the firms to come back
>Get hired, can start next year if I get my degree this year. 90k Pounds starting
>The other two firms called back a week after, but I already accepted the first offer
>Don't even know what the fuck is going on when I hear other people complain about how hard it is to get a job
>I start monday
mfw

no but really lse was kind of hard

>> No.872448
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>spend all free time in college drawing porn.
>know majoring in anything art related is a waste.
>graduate with BA in comp sci
>do nothing for 6 months.
>check LinkedIn on a whim because I'm getting bored with no actual job.
>apply for software development position at the first thing I find.
>get called the next day for a phone interview.
>get brought in for a real interview the next week.
>say for 40k when asked for my wage preference because I was expecting mediocre entry level.
>get hired at 50k with full benefits and huge room fir growth since its a multinational corp.
>Patreon becomes a thing.
>perverts give me an extra $1k a month to do what I was already doing for free on top of commission work.
>most of my other popular porn artist friends are depressed, impoverished, NEET or McJob slaves.
>Mfw nobody listens to me when I tell them art as a primary income doesn't work.
>Mfw people claim finding a real job is difficult or that "real jobs" would eclipse their passions.

>> No.872456

>>872238
>Beat the devils tattoo by Black rebel motorcycle gang
Bretty gud :DD

>> No.872458

>>872433
>>872448

It seems that trolling neets on /biz really gets you off. You even went as far as using proxy for this purpose. What you should have done is make your "success stories" a little more believable.

>inb4 we're different guys and getting a job with 150k starting isn't that hard u jst hav 2 b yrslf

>> No.872470

>>868160
>because HR doesn't know when I ask them
There's your problem, asking HR anything. You could ask them to name 2 places that sell hamburgers and get the same dull stare.

>> No.872471

>>868434
Yeah, this is patently untrue. A jealous coworker or manager can easily get an overachiever fired.

>> No.872482

>>868646
I remember being there in 2004/2005, except I had a software engineering degree. Used to keep a log of all the places I applied so my mother would get off my back about not trying to find a job. Took about a year to find a contracting job, then 3-4 months later a government position that I liked enough to stay for several years. Probably mailed/e-mailed 2000 resumes/applications to get there, all while working retail ~30 hours a week (yes, full-time was a myth before anybody even heard heard of Obama).

I really don't know what to say to somebody with a less specific degree than mine. I got mine to write software. Teachers get theirs to teach. What do economics or business students do? I guess you apply for more open-ended jobs?

Regardless, have you tried lying? Maybe the people you're dealing with aren't worthy of respect. Tell them what they want to hear, use the opportunity to learn, and dump them for greener pastures when it suits you.

>> No.872518

>>867916
Anything that isn't STEM is pretty much fucked, I mean come on there's a fucking reason anyone in my country gets in easy on any humanities major but has to suffer to get into STEM. Even the fucking jnternships are ridiculous by comparison, humanities fags are getting paid in dung and fruits to perform menial labor or pretend to be writing something while STEM fags get actual respectable positions.

>> No.872540

>>868646
>Can anyone offer me advice? I cry myself to sleep every night
Chill the f out. I worked a conveyor line for two weeks when I was 14. And before you call bullshit - noone checked or gave a damn. Earned a little bit of pocket money on the winter break, but damn that was the shittiest, hardest job I had. It really changed my outlook on life.

Are you hungry? Do you have a safe place to sleep? If No and Yes are the answers then relax. Keep applying - try different things. Make an experiment, one type of resume with different skills and format for half your applications, another type for the other half. Good luck, we're all gonna make it brah.

>> No.872552

>>868731
What the hell do you think he meant? It means Canadian unis are hiking their tuition faster, same way as US ones do, just not to the same extent. Same quality of education of course, its just commercialization thats driving prices up. Its fucking bs.

First year of my engineering degree was $7100/year. Last year - I forgot, but it was A LOT more.

>> No.872632

>>870295
Keep ringing him

>> No.872705

>>867677
how does one make money doing personal projects?

>> No.872870

>>867671
Same thing happened to me. Graduated with a degree in Biology with three years of experience. I gave up after a year of not getting hired anywhere. Nowadays I pray that I can find some sort of self-employment before it's too late.

>> No.872874

>>867671
At least you're getting interviews, that's a great sign. I interview well, but in nine months I only got invited to about a dozen. All it takes is one good one.

In the course of my search I did informational interviews with people in STEM who took two years (some pre-2008). Three months is tame if you don't have connections or luck on your side.

>> No.872895
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>studied media technology
>couldn't find work
>3 months without job.jpg
>finally job
>make some shitty low wage job which is based on time
>firm closed after 2 years
>writing 100000000 of applications
>after 3 years and some mini time jobs that have nothing to do with what I learned still without a secure job
>getting depressed
>forgot almost everything of my studies and what I learned during those 5 years
>trying to find a new apprenticeship to learn something new
>almost no job interviews because to old

it is suffering