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But muh medium article.....where?!?!?
https://medium.com/@jibrelnetwork/project-update-q1-2018-85c348e2fe8b
>>8652237Holy shit this is written like a 5yo. No FUD, but how can you release such a shit? And the SEED details is delayed once again
>>8652272
>>8652277Why is this thing getting posted so much? It is dead
>>8652212Yay more concrete deadlines that they'll be sure to mix. Which box should we check off first? Another medium article next week? Let's wait and see!
>>8652272It's because SEED pulled out. You should sell before the news drops.
>>8652212>expecting this kind of article less than a day after Talal's deathAnon, I...
>even though we have expanded our product and service offering quite a bit.read:>we haven't done shit but are expanding on more promisesnice>Initially, jCash was delayed by regulatory hurdles, lol, so obvious>which have since been resolved in specific geographies, allowing jCash to be launched in select jurisdictions.yea, Talal's backyard being the biggest one>In more recent weeks, subsequent moves in the market have indicated that the current jCash / Proof of Solvency mechanism may be insufficient to withstand extreme market conditions (+95% / market crash).That was also obvious and called out here by many people but bagholders called it "sci-fi gloom and doom scenarios">Generally, a combination of asset backed tokens and JNT backed tokens will be released. muh proof of onchain solvency, lmao they are already backtracking from their promisesThey will ditch the JNT token entirely before they tokenize anything, I'm telling you this right nowif something felt too good to be true it probably was.>muh walletyea, try to distract the bagholders by creating and erc20 wallet, lmao as if we didn't have enough or a wallet was something amazing to look out for. Bitcoin had a wallet 30 years ago
To be honest, this bit is actually scaryIn more recent weeks, subsequent moves in the market have indicated that the current jCash / Proof of Solvency mechanism may be insufficient to withstand extreme market conditions (+95% / market crash).Status: Minor delays—Open Alpha (Select geographies) in 4–6 WeeksKey Issues: Insufficient market liquidity / activity for Proof of Solvency to be completely decentralized. Under current market conditions (+70% correction), the system would’ve remained balanced, but would have lost funds in excess of AED 2,000,000 (US$ 544,520) to provide only AED 10,000,000 (US$ 2,722,600) worth of CryDRs (20% deterioration).Mitigation Strategy: Launch numerous jAsset configurations with high degree of manual intervention, gradually decentralizing as needed (More on this to be released in a dedicated Medium Post next week). Generally, a combination of asset backed tokens and JNT backed tokens will be released. Allowing users to pick from decentralized stable coin solutions as well as centralized solutions.
>>8652404Yup. It’s being swept under the rug for now.Sadly, I had high hopes for Jibrel. I’m quite disappointed with not only their progress, but the direction that they are going now.
>>8652557every ponzie only works until it doesn'tand it's always the same story:>we need our own token so it's independend from external facotrs bla bla blalmao having onchain solvency in btc would be way safer because bitcoin won't go to 0 no matter what, some useless erc20 on the other hand...
>>8652557HOnestly if the telegram kiddies had put 2+2 together they wouldn't have wished for that medium post. Jibrel will be sub .10 before this crash is over and probably won't be coming back up. This announcement is nothing but hot air and increased scope AGAIN. They haven't delivered anything and keep adding on to the list of things to be added. This is a nightmare.
>>8652272>>8652277>>8652301>>8652376>>8652404>>8652499>>8652519>>8652557>>8652564>>8652635lmao you guys are stupid as fuckdid we read the same article?or are you getting paid to fud?retards lol
Yazan"And if the system cannot be decentralized fully then, a fully decentralized system will be built on Jibrel Core (dedicated blockchain) with JNT directly traded in fiat (to prevent reliance on BTC / ETH).But we can cross that bridge when we get to it"
>>8652404>>8652564It is not mentioned here because it is going to have its own dedicated post this next week retards.
>>8652212taken together, this update shows that there will be huge delays, and signals that the JNT token may be brushed aside.I'm bullish on the company but can't see buying more JNT at this point.
For the first time since I purchased, I am feeling FUD.Will let it ride, I've invested too much time holding this to let the bet go unrealised. 1000 or 0, deliver me my fate.
>>8652994I'm not being serious. >>8652557This has always been my concern with this project. I think the sooner the tokenization process begins, and the less speculation this project gets, then better. Eventually the network should stabilize, but the early days will be rough if it get's too hyped up by early speculation.
>>8652237>https://medium.com/@jibrelnetwork/project-update-q1-2018-85c348e2fe8bseriously who else read this in Talal's voice.
>>8653105That's where I'm at with it too. I won't be putting any more money into it, but I don't care to sell either. I'll come back to it in a year and see what happens.
>ITT>OMG IT'S OVER>SELL SELL SELL>meanwhile literally one 1500 JNT sell across exchanges for the past hourKek niggers
>>8653047thisthink about it, why do you think they even run that telegram group when supposedly their targeted audience are big fish, institutions, banks, etc?does it ring a signle bell?they have to run this group to calm down desperate bagholders who bought something they don't even understand.Of course he will say JNT is NECCESSARY for this or that, but the truth is no serious bank/institution will ever want to have anything to do with JNT, they are already preparing themselves a way to soft exit scam youthey will give JNT some stupid purposes here and there but try to ask him IF HE CAN PROMISE YOU THAT THEY WILL ALWAYS HOLD ENOUGH JNT TO BE EQUAL THE VALUE OF TOKENIZED ASSETSand watch him trying to come up with mental gymnastics
>>8653047>>8653243Calm your dicks.
>>8652212
>>8653243keep up your low effort fud you brainlet fuck
>>8653266So if there is to be no speculative price action on JNT, then what the fuck are they going to do? Remove it from exchanges?
>>8653266So they are expanding JNT scope, actually very good news.
>>8653266yeah, the move to add more utility to reduce volatility swings was expected and is needed in this market
>>8653243I am thinking the same. JNT is looking less attractive. Even they have to explain to telegram users and most are not believing in this coin so much.I dont know. I have a huge bag. Dunno what to do after this news.
>>8653266dude it's all just damage control>to reduce price volatilityyea I'm sure burning 1/100th of a token here or there will reduce the volatilitythey are giving JNT some made up BS purposes now to prepare you for the bad news in the futurefirst it will be something like>only some assets will be backed by JNTand then they will ditch it completely as what it was initially supposed to be>>8653313>fudlmaoeven many people in telegram realized the same go and look for yourself
>>8653266this is somewhat of a bullshit position though. if proof of solvency were implemented that would greatly decrease the volatility in itself. the volatility is a reaction to doubts about the proof of solvency implementation. pointing to that situation as a reason to back away from proof of solvency is alarming.
>>8653380SellDo it biz way anonFor the memes
Admin is doing solo talk. Damage control.I knew I shouldnt have trust the arabs.
>>8653394no they would need to defend the peg by buying more and more JNT if JNT is valued in BTC/ETH and either of those crash. bank of england scenario, one of my concerns when this thing came outback solvency with other assets like they said. 25%JNT/75% something else.remove JNT from exchanges or have it trade only in USDT/fiatreduce 100% solvency requirements (though another anon said this was impossible, on and off chain need to match up %100)
>>8653384im in the telegramread yazans current postsyou brainlet shit
>>8653465I got banned for getting pissed off on delays, called it a shitcoin.Looks like I was fucking right.Drop those messages, I want to know what the fuck is going on.
>>8653465yea, I'm going through it rn:CEO in Telegram>Effectively, in our simulation, we ended up with a shortfall of JNT, so we went to market and balanced.>But in a constantly bear market (the entire period tested was downward), we will either constantly need to liquidate cash for JNT, or ensure enough JNT is being circulated back to the Jibrel DAO to back the CryDRs.LMAO, they did the simulations now? neets on biz preidcted that shit months ago, holy fuck this is a circus
>>8653513anotha one:>So while both will be offered, we expect it to be predominantly JNT backed.>EXPECT lmaothey are literally hinting for the ones with above 80IQ to get out ASAP
>>8653513intredasting... why don't we just liquidate the crydrs then all the jcash in the system is worthless. only the pajeets who will use it as a remittance solution lose their money, so no one important is hurt
>>8652237It's not even the post we were waiting for. The Medium post we wanted comes out next week.
This is literally the first time I've been nervous holding this.
>>8653513are you getting paid for these low effort posts?genuinely curiousI think I could do better, refer me in please
>>8653585go look at the telegram, even the long term supporters realized what's happening here, the more deluded ones are still begging to be reassured by the ceo's but even they will wake up sooner or later
>>8653584Go to the telegram. Lots more information there about the reasoning for these changes.
>>8653611I'm reading the telegram post, all I see is a lot of brainlets asking stupid shit, and Yazan forced to answer stupid question, but in general, only bullish and good newswhats your point?
>>8653645Agreed.
>>8653266Game over. That what yazan says
>>8653645So now there will be 2 types of jcash (backed by JNT and another without that backing)He is literally hinting you guys to lower the expectations.Whne they finally tokenize something guess what is everyone gonna be asking>hurrr why no Market Cap go upand they will tell you>well, this is the type of tokenization with no NT backing ;))
>>8653645How is the medium article good news? Lmao
>>8653645This
>>8653698forgot my pic
>>8653700how is it not?are you autistic?bet you are one of the retards in the telegram asking stupid shit like "so yazan hows the project going? xd"
okay fud away and shilling away,What yazan is saying is jBonds is what JNT make look attractiveand not, jCash so we can forget about that.Dunno if its bullish or not
>>8653733bad news guys, jbonds turned out to work better when backed directly by real world assets, but JNT is now consumed if you want to buy a hat for your jwallet avatar.
>>8653105I feel the same way, I don't see myself putting in more fiat in this market anyway
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>>8653755I spit my coke you bastard
>>8653770haha so funneh, glad you spam it everywhere, someone might reply to you with a kek!
I dont know how to feel about this.
>>8653584same :'( I wanted to believe
>>8653789jK jY jS jFaggot
>>8653953what a sad and pathetic existence you are
they will use jcash (back by real physical money) to back other assetsyou can dig out me and other anons predicting it in the archives L M A OI guess someone at a high level didn't like the idea of making neets rich with a ponzi-like token that won't even work during a bear market
>>8653983you are literally the only one here posting this relentless fud, I wonder when you give up your brainlets posts
for real JNT holders and as a JNT holder - apart from the fud- JNT price = speculation + jBonds tokenization (without jCash).?
>>8653983Lol do you literally spend your friday fudding this shit on biz God damn dude go do something
>>86540092 types of jcashyou didn't see that coming did ya?soon you'll have only 1 type existing (if ever), the one which doesn't need JNT for anything besides maybe burning 1/100th of it to keep people deluded >>8654038and guess what the ratio of jBonds : Jcash is gonna be
>>8654038We’ll know after the post about jCash comes out
>>8653227I bought that. Waited about 24 hours to receive it. Fuck the fudders ain’t no one selling and I am done accumulating time to stop fudding this ( used to fud it all the time for fun) and time to sit back and relax and watch my money grow
>>8654058your conspiracy theory doesnt make any sense from a game theory point of view, especially considering the locked huge stacks of the advisors, early investors and the team itselfpic related its you
>>8654097you retard, the team, advisors and others have over $30m from the ico, they can give away all their JNT tokens to niggers in africa, they couldn' care less.The point is they are ditching the whole Assets backed by JNT meme, that's why they are in damage control now telling you about using it for some new tasks etcjBonds, lmao,first it was>JNT MC = the amount of tokenized assets + speculationnow it's>JNT = the amount of SOME tokenized assets + speculationyou see where it's going?To Be Continuedand before you get all angry at me, ask yourself why they decided to separate assets on those supposedly backed by JNT (still only a promise but let's take it for now) and those without JNT backing.HMMMMMMlooks like they don't know the game theory you're talking about?
>>8654186
And also, what the fuck is a jbond?Is it debt issued from real companies tokenized on Jiblet Network, or is it a debt issued by the Jiblet Network? No fucking way would I buy debt from these lying niggers
>>8654214keep posting memes as I'm being proven right time and time againhope you like seeing your portfolio dwindling
>>8654271Your fud won’t age well. Someone snap these and this is coming from someone that used to FUD this. It’s over bud, this is the real deal and I can’t wait til this goes parabolic and me thinking how stupid your dumbass is if you didn’t buy it at 0.20 now go get a life and don’t forget to fuck yourself
>>8654271>keep posting memes as I'm being proven right time and time again
>>8654186I will be honest with you. I am now extremely worried after this news about my investment in JNT.However the whole "The have 30M from the ICO" thing is retarded because it is being used to provide liquidity for jCash. You can argue that they might eventually drop JNT and they may. However unless it's a straight up exit-scam the funds will be used as specified because they are still a start-up even if it no longer benefits JNT holders.
Oh fucking hell, why did I fall for this scam?All those broken promises should've been proof enough, but I fell for the meme. Fuck you, biz. Should've just sold when it was at 60c after buying at 50c. I knew there was something off about this whole thing. So now my JNT is useless, awesome.
>>8654398ok dudeI'm happy your accumulation went welllmao, in the near future you'll see your coin with a few millies MC so save some more fiat for that!>>8654440how is the tokenization going for ya?>>8654491they won't staright up exit scam the entire project, that's obvious, but they will softly exit scam the JNT importance until it's pretty much meaningless for people as investors/holders.That's why I told people to ask whoever is now in charge of their telegram to promise that they will use JNT for backing in the futurethey won't, they will give you some generic crap like>the goal is...>The main focus remains...>yep, that's still the planWhat they are doig now is lowering the expectations without causing panic because even tho they are not in the US I'm sure they don't want any problems caused by some butthurt bagholders who bought the top just to find out their tokens will be pretty much worthlessWhen I said that JNT is not needed/fit for on chain backing people bashed me like crazy, talked all the nastiest shit about me, now guess what, the fucking ceo is saying that SOME assets will only be backed by JNT (probably a minigless amount as an experiment) and the rest of the business will be a regular bank with no interest in using some shitcoin
>>8654623>REEEEE SELL YOUR BAGS ALREADY AAAAAAAAAA
>>8653405I just did anon, I locked in my 50% loss, I'll buy back when it jumps a little, I took one for the memes.
>>8654650I see your sell orderGood job anon
>>8654623>What they are doig now is lowering the expectations without causing panicThis is exactly what's worrying right now. They don't want to straight up exit scam, but are preparing to let JNT just fizzle out until nobody cares about it anymore. This was planned from the start, and when their promises failed to make JNT skyrocket they just decided for get rid of it, so they can try something else to scam investors. Fucking arabs, it was so obvious.
This FUD is getting to me.I will wait until next week to decide when the article will be released.It's true they are lowering expectation + no big exchange when they promised they would (because of 'muh volatility will hurt the pilot project) I am a bagholder. I know >>8654723is fudding either for cheap jibbies or for whatever obscure reason badly but he is right somehow.Dunno - dont feel comfy with my jibbies.
>>8654623I will wait for the next post but I won't be surprised if there is a massive sell-off. Most of the dates are also months away for the alphas.
>>8654790I'm 50/50 myself on what to do. Also waiting for the medium post but I'm reading through Yazans posts and it doesn't seem as dire anymore and kind of makes sense.
>>8654723>This was planned from the start, and when their promises failed to make JNT skyrocket they just decided for get rid of it, so they can try something else to scam investors. Fucking arabs, it was so obvious.welcome to the ico worldthat's how you make 30m usd by deceiving people with false promises, then you softly expose them to the reality>due to regulatory environment...>as the project matures we decided...>Some unexpcted outside factors force us to...that way you're rich while still kinda clear of braking the law because you never OPENLY promised anything, it was all just plans, and plans rarely work out, right?
Yeah the post was meh, but reading through the telegram I don't think there's a reason to panic over this.
>>8654038
>>8654790I am not planning to buy any more. I am down so much right now and just pissed off. It has become obvious that Jibrel is nothing more than a VERY well thought-out scam on a grand scale. They'll milk this thing until the very end. JNT will lose all its value, it will never get listed on any exchanges, SEED partnership will be underwhelming as fuck, and then it'll just be over.Why do you think they made the project so confusing in the first place? Almost nobody understood it, and what is their response? To make it even more confusing while slowly fading out JNT. Now we have hundreds of jShit products, but nothing really drives the price of JNT anymore. At some point they'll get rid of it altogether. The project is so fucking bloated, it's ridiculous. They are trying to achieve something so simple and do it in such a convoluted way, so they can pull shit like this and screw over everyone but themselves.This right here is the definition of a scam. And it's a good one. They still keep most of their investors despite making their investments worthless, just by sweet-talking and adding more and more shit onto their already convoluted project. I'm really thinking of taking my 70% loss and moving on. I don't want to lose it all.
>>8654873spot the difference:1. JNT is held in the DAO to provide on-chain proof of solvency2. JNT is "used"furthermore, don't worry about option 2, because we'll shore up the value by also using it as a currency to vote on some pointless shit and to call an API!!you really think either of those 2 things even matters compared to the value of being the on-chain store of value for proof of solvency? the fact that they are being trotted out is bizarre
>>8654896Nice, I'll use that in the future thanks anon
>>8654896>dan tapscott, changpeng zhao and mohamed bin rashid al maktum are all part of this grand plan to scam neets out of their pocket moneylmao
well shit, it's over. it has been fun shilling this hot garbage with you anons.
>>8654869This Phil guy asked good questions. They can be glad that Yazan answered them, Talal would have butchered it.I was pretty concerned about the Medium post, but in the end it boils down to this: The change benefits Jibrel. Let's face it, jCash was a regulatory nightmare, how would anyone be able to use it with all the regulatory hurdles?Now we have less ambitious jBonds available to anyone and jCash for few regulated KYC/AML compliant institutions.For example, the Binance shit was ridiculous before, no way they would ever add jCash. jBonds would make much more sense, because it would be easier to make it available to anyone without breaking laws.
>>8654896Well, will you believe if I were to tell you I had a problem with my Metamask transfer before the medium post - I was about to buy 6k jibbies. I think God has given me a warning. I feel you - I am 4k jibbies here. I will wait until next week. They are basing a lot of promises and can change whenever they feel to. I dunno man, the fud is getting to me big time
>>8654869threaten someone that you will take the cookie away from him, then give him a chunk back and he'll be happier than when he had the entire piecesad to read that deluded bagholder>>8654790>+ no big exchange when they promised they would (because of 'muh volatility will hurt the pilot project)This is another damaga control (and a stright up lie) from Yazan lol>big exchange will cause more volatilityyea sure it's more stable with no liquidity on Kuckcoin, lmao anyone can go and cause green/red dildos there as they pleaseI wouldn't trust anything more this guy says after such BS>>8654873smoke and mirrors 101>we will create this and that and we will give JNT a purpose!>>8654896I actually went to their telegram for the first time today and it was painful to watch, really completely unaware people getting played like children>>8654933thisthey're making up some ridiculuous side projects to kick the can down the road.Just wait till they announce launching satelites into space that will use JNT as FUEL>>8654972they all may be enthusiasts of tokenizing real assets but don't fool yourself they will defend you as a shitcoin holder when the team decides it's only gonna be used a jgas once month burning 1/100th of a token
>>8654972They were not a part of it knowingly. Jibrel pitched the project to them and they thought it sounded great. That's all there is to it.You should've noticed how they push the idea that JNT is still useful while making it less and less relevant. What those guys are after is the idea behind the project. JNT was the first step, and that failed. So now they try something else that still satisfies their investors. They'll keep doing this until they found something that catches on. But JNT is pretty much worthless now. Went from proof of solvency to shitty gas token. It probably won't even be worth 1c in a few weeks.It doesn't matter if Jibrel succeeds or not to us private investors (we're not even investors anymore as JNT is not used as PoS). It can be THE go-to solution for insitutions, but the difference is that JNT doesn't need to be worth anything anymore. The lambo dreams are over.
>>8655074>It probably won't even be worth 1c in a few weeks.>SELL. I SAID FUCKING SELL. SELL YOUR FUCKING BAGS ALREADY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHY ARE YOU NOT SELLING*yawns*sorry but if you actually had more than 2 braincells, read the medium post and yazans replies you'd know that almost everything you wrote is factually wrong
>>8655074yes. the project is still very promising, although the team is weak on execution the target market is good and the team's connections are extremely good.the JNT token is looking more likely to be left by the wayside at this point.
JNT is reduced to be a network gas token. JUSTED hard.
If they are separating asset-backed and JNT-backed, then I wonder what the driving force was.It seems plausible that nobody wants to lock up double their assets, setting aside both real-world money and paying for JNT, to tokenize.If asset-backed tokens are subject to onerous KYC, like in-person interviews, then only institutions will use them, right?But we all were hoping that institutions would use jCash. So now we don't have that.I guess jBonds are better for us non-institutional people, but we were never hoping for normie adoption, so I don't see why we care about jBonds using JNT.I guess the best hope for success of jBonds, if only non-institutional actors would be interested, is as a tether replacement, but the ideal tether token is going to be backed by fiat, so you can tether up and cash out. If they're backing it with JNT instead of tether and also admitting that they can't maintain the price during a crash, then I don't see jBonds working as a tether replacement.Thus, it seems like institional actors have no need for a JNT-backed jCash token and, if the Jibrel team does move forward with a JNT-backed jBond token, they will maybe provide the stability of tether without any fiat cash out possibility...I went all in on this shit and even cashed out half my 401k to get a stack of 470k. Damn, I am a fucking idiot.
mfw I was fudding this project with 'muh 27 years old ARAB - trusting arabs'' (yeah that was me)mfw i thought I would buy cheap jibbiesmfw I bought jibbiesmfw my fud was true and I bought jibbies and I fear for my investment.
>>8655107Read this post>>8655058Smoke and mirrors. Nothing more. They can promise all they want - if they don't deliver it means jack shit. And they didn't deliver on anything they promised. Instead they have been going back on everything from day 1. And people STILL believe them. As I said, this is a very well thought-out scam. They got their investors by the balls. They trust them so much that they'll believe anything Yazan tells them, even if he lied a hundred times already.
>>8654933He specifically said that jBonds are JNT backed and that SEED liquidity will focus largely on jBonds. They also have less regulatory hurdles, meaning they can be made easily available to the average Joe.Sure, if you believe they are lying you can sell your bags. But according to them proof-of-solvency is still very much part of the plan.
>>8655183trying too hard
At this point I can't even tell is you guys are legit fudding, or just didn't understand the telegram conversation. jCash is a regulatory nightmare and they are stepping it back so that JNT is no longer required to back it. jCash would be an important instrument for some of the institutions they are targeting though. jBonds make the network more accessible. They are walking a razors edge here with this project. It's not going to be easy to pull off, but so far I'm impressed by the team.
>>8655146I find myself refreshing this thread constantly to find a reasonable voice that will confirm that this isn't a hopeless scam, but the only voices of reason I'm seeing are confirming that I just got sand-nigger'd.
tfw gonna be rich
>>8655208>taking financial advice from 4chanLMAO
>>8655145It's not just a network gas token.Token holders can also vote on what currency is displayed by default in the jWallet, because.... Wait, what? Why is that valuable? Who is going to buy this just so they can vote on what text gets displayed in a wallet app?
>>8655208You should read the telegram channel after the medium post was linked.
>>8655280>thinking he is serious and wants actual discussion and answershow new are you
>>8655246yes anon, once jwallet gets 100% market penetration, scam tokens like JNT will want to pay big $ to be a default.
>>8655045Now, an idiotic question.jBonds is our only hope to make it.Now, JNT = jBonds + gas fee + jNodeHow will we moon with that coin.How will we know for sure people will want to tokenize with jBonds for anyone.How will it attract institutions when its not KYC/AML compliant.I mean, who will use jBonds.I agree with you that they are ditching jCash because of regulatory nightmares (and not exitscamming) and finally what makes JNT anymore attractive to us?
>>8655146Wait for the post next week imho
>>8655197It's not just that they are more easily available to the average Joe either, in many ways jBonds will be preferable to institutions.
>>8655208It's funny how all the posts that are defending this seem like they are not even trying, isn't it? Every single post that seems like it has at least some thought put behind it is exposing this scam. And the opposing side doesn't do anything but say 'trying too hard', 'yawn', 'but yazan said [...]', 'you're just trying to get us to sell'. It's pretty obvious who seems trustworthy and who doesn't. Make your own choice.
this piece of shit gets only shilled on 4chan - hands off my nibbas this is most certainly a shitcoin>>8652212>>8652301>>8652301>>8652301
Obvious shitcoin being endlessly spammed by pajeets isn’t working out? No way
>>8655388>It's pretty obvious who seems trustworthy and who doesn't. Make your own choice.>translation: PLEASE FUCKING SELL ALREADY HOLY SHIT TRUST ME I ONLY WANT GOOD FOR YOU, DONT YOU TRUST ANONS FROM 4CHIN? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I SWEAR TO GOD IF YOU DONT SELL I WILL FIND YOU
>>8655246LMAOI heard the JNT tokens will be used to vote for the upcoming miss universe contest, and maybe as an entry to Picasso Exhibition
>>8655434Yeah, nice post. The problem I'm seeing is just that the pro-Jibrel side does nothing but post memes, while other people try to see the project for what it is. I don't know how anyone can still defend this community.
>>8655381>in many ways jBonds will be preferable to institutions.Can you list the ways?
>>8655453why the fuck should anyone put as much effort into replying to your brainlet FUD as much effort you put into your FUD? (lol)go argue in the telegram if you think you are a big boy>implying you wont come up with a meme excuse to not do thatthought so
THey really should have focused on marketing this shit at the early stages. The scheme is falling apart and they didn't even get a good pump out of it. Putting half of my money in JNT was the worst decision of my life by far. If you think that this project has 1/10th the potential it did 24 hours ago you are fucking deluded.
>>8655491that's kind of the only silver lining. if it was 100% a scam they would have pumped it, would have been so easy to do.I think it's just a case of a young and naive team trying to do their best.
>>8655491I want cheaper jnt too.
>>8655479Have you seen the telegram? It's full of people either posting memes or talking to themselves. You can't have a discussion in that group at all.
>>8652212I see a lot of FUD, but I think there is a general misconception around the changes. They are amplifying JNT use-cases as they found (as might be expected) that during a major market crash, the price of JNT is much more contingent on the price of ETH/BTC than anything. They need a closed system in which JNT would have more autonomy from ETH/BTC, which is why they are expanding the use-case of JNT. As Yazan state, the goal here is so that JNT does not track ETH/BTC price. So while the DAO would be successful in preventing pump and dumps within JNT, there needs to be mechanisms to hedge when BTC and ETH crash.
>>8655517A long term solution is always building the fundamentals for mature investors. You crypto kids can stick to tron/verge type marketing.
>>8655521just as expected
>>8655454They're more accessible for regions with stricter regulations and they're more lucrative for the tokenizers.
>>8655543That's not a meme response, that just A response. Please tell me a single post that wouldn't have made you say that. I know there is none, you would've posted this exact thing no matter what I said.
>>8655563you actually posting on the telegram?there are actual arguments thereon 4chin?there isn't anythis is a meme sitea memeboardyou are a memepostertop kek
>>8655537yea this, look at the telegram he still wants a fully decentralized system - one of the possible ways was getting rid of eth/btc pairings and linking jnt to fiat only.>>86555392 months into the listing and everyone is already calling it dead
>>8655537Also, while we mention that some assets will be backed by typical FIAT (jCash) - Yazan mentioned that JNT is necessary for both jCash and jBonds/jAssets. Furthermore, there is a significant discount when tokenizing using JNT - Yazan said that USD prices are pretty inflated. To me this seems good overall - we have a mix of a centralized and decentralized solution - leveraging the best of both approaches - with multiple economic incentives to use JNT. Having a fiat option for jCash expands the projects reach as well - as soon as those who tokenize using fiat realize there are larger discounts with JNT, we should see a move over. Furthermore, I think that larger financial institutions will still choose to use JNT as opposed to FIAT as they don't want to pay an inflated rate.
i think this pretty much sums it up, and it makes sense desu.
>>8655517it could be a combination of both but surely they knew JNT is a meme and onchain backing was just an excuse to be able to collect 30m usd from ico.They will be a more-trusted tether in the future if anythinghint for brainlets, no, that's not bullish, tether doesn't use a middleware token to "back" the money they (supposedly) have in their bank.>>8655537It's BS/damage control because binance probably told the to fuck offexplain to me how being listed on kucoin only is better than being listed on big exchanges?you think it's easier to crash/pump the price on kucoin or on binance?they will never decouple from btc/eth lmao, that's how the entire market works whether we like it or not.They can use JNT as payment for Lady Gaga concert tickets or burning it as a payment in dogs groomer salon, it won't matter.They are coming up with BS side projects when they couldn't even acomplish the basics
Woah ur telling me arabs are not the master technologists and financial geniuses we were led to believe? Dang...
Sounds like JNT is jFucked if theres a jCrash
>>86555481. Accessibility for regions with stricter regulations is a good point. However, I would then like to see jCash be asset-backed PLUS JNT-backed.If they drop the offchain-asset-backed property from jBonds to ease friction with regulations, that's understandable. But why drop the JNT-backed property from jCash? If jCash is for entities who can tolerate stricter regulations, why can't it continue to be backed by both JNT and off-chain assets?2. This seems like it would be pretty cool. Can you please explain how it would be more lucrative?I'm a 470k JNT marine, so I would really like to see reasons to hold. I bought almost half my stack at over $0.45, and with 401k retirement funds and my retirement is gonna take a hit if this fucks ul, so uh... I am eager to see some light, heh.
>>8655537>>8655595>>8655592In short - overall I'm not worried. What this update attests to is that the team is maintaining the vision they initially set out to - with some tweaks to ensure this vision will be accomplished in the long term. People are hyped for this project because it is ambitious and new. I think we should expect some tweaks and changes along the road as the team realizes their ambition.
>>8655479>>8655543>>8655579Look at all that bullshit falling out of your mouth. It's almost like what you're saying means nothing.
>>8655673hol up*smacks lips*so u be sayin
JIBREL? COME DOWN AND DO YO HOMEWORK 'FORE I WHOOP YO ASS
>>8655647So you are the 470K marine that was posting everyday. I used to envy you from my 4k jibbies. We are on the same boat brotha. I don't know anymore from the fudding/reality. I am so confused. Dont know what to do.
>>8655636royally! but there is always the hope some ZOO will accept JNT in the future as ZOOgas
>>8655613>They are coming up with BS side projects when they couldn't even acomplish the basicsYou know what Jibrel is? It's an Early Access project for cryptocurrencies. The promise all this stuff and talk about their amazing ideas, but they don't even have anything but a prototype yet. JNT was the alpha, and now they found something better. So JNT gets tossed aside.What they are doing is the exact thing that makes startups fail. They have ideas, but neither the experience nor the skills to realize them. And so Jibrel will just fade into obscurity as just another failed project. They think they'll do all this amazing stuff, when in reality they are just not capable to do it. And when JNT didn't work out (because they just didn't get it to work) they act like it's no big deal and introduce another project. This is exactly what you would do if you realized your idea didn't work out, because you were too stupid to actually implement it.
>>8655782Read Yazan’s posts. We are still bullish.
>>8655796Have you ever ran a start-up? It's the opposite, while doing pilots the project WILL change to suffice the needs of the organisations. The fact that they are making adjustments is a good sign for a start-up, not a bad one. Anyone that already ran a start-up can see while reading their Medium post that they are doing a great job.
>>8655812would like to see him answer that bottom question
>>8655767>he fell for the 4chin memes
>>8653983>https://medium.com/@jibrelnetwork/project-update-q1-2018-85c348e2fe8bwhat fucking retards. Talal explained that the Jusd will need to be backed by JNT one-by-one and linked an article mentioning jcash, implying that jcash needs to be jnt backed one by one.
>>8655356TLDR: jBonds=normie-jCash available to anyone.jCash can never be on an exchange. You will never be able to create jCash. You will never be able to send around jCash. Why? jCash is as good as real money. It will be used by institutions for large payments and by KYC/AML individuals for easy af remittances. It's extremely geographically limited though.jBonds can be on exchanges, can be created by yourself, and it can be transacted freely. They are the Tether replacement jCash can never be. And guess what? SEED will focus on jBonds with their 250m investment, because the goal of the partnership is to attract investments from abroad. That cannot happen with jCash in the current regulatory landscape.Overall, jBonds shed a lot of the regulatory weight jCash has attached to it. They allow the DAO to become stable and to introduce decentralization slowly instead of in one go. I was actually about to sell my JNT before, because I got fudded hard about the regulatory nightmare that is jCash. They realized it though and created a tiered system and it will do the project well.
>>8655887I haven't run one, but I was working for two failed ones. It was the exact same thing I'm seeing here. They were so ambitous at the start, which sucked me in. And then they realized that their ideas don't work out little by little. They tried to remedy it by introducing new ideas, but it just got worse until everything crumbled to dust.I am really hoping you're right though, as I still have my biggest holding in JNT. I am fucking worried though, since I've seen this exact pattern multiple times. I don't know why it should be different this time.
>>8655796yea, like I'm saying maybe they will get a a banking license in some obscure country with light regulations that will allow them to issue jcash backed purely offchain like tether, but that's about it. Now they're trying to grab all the branches at once when it's not a secret that their lead dev is not even qualified for the job, but I never mentioned that because this project was more about making deals and getting neccessary permits regulatory wise than some high tech stuff but now they want to do everything lol. I'm waiting for them to announce Space-X cooperation or some shit like that>>8655812>we like jbonds more!>I'm sure the main focus will be on jbonds guys I promise!>we're are sure it will be the prefered solution!also this guy>so even if jcash is not backed by jnt, jgas is?lmao poor guy doesn't realize the gas will be literally a pocket changejust because they announce a shitload of stupid use cases for JNT doesn't mean they all together are worth even fraction of what backing jcash would bring, but bagholders don't even know that, they just want to be reassured and stick their heads in the sand.>>8655887it may be "good for the project" whatever that means, and good for them but we're talking about JNT's value here, if I want to support and cheer for som project I can go watch a football game.>>8655935well guess what, the soft JNT ditch is progressing and that is no loner a reality. Sad.
>>8655892He fucking did. Join telegram and read the conversation after the post, it clears up SO MUCH.
>>8655169same. Also fudding also I thought this would be a safe bet. Now the fud has become real
>>8655892
>>8655966how does JNT work with jBonds... basically what does this new development do to the role of JNT?
>>8656074see >>8655246and have a laugh anon
Just lol, this much debate about if/how the token MIGHT have some kind of value IF they develop the project in one of many possible ways.Why not just buy credits or bnb? What is the biz obsession with coins no one else has ever heard of and which are almost certain to have no value going forward?If you need 150 posts per thread and not even agree on what the project is about, then ive got bad news for you...
>>8656074>miembros>memebros
>>8656053Your fud was shit. It's was not even considered fud. The worst thing is things have gotten better, and now you're scared? The absolute stateHe literally said XRP has almost no usage; that's what jCash was for before. Now they finally realize that having a Tether replacement with on chain solvency is the way to go. Honestly thank god! This coin finally has a chance to make it
>>8655966>jCash can never be on an exchange. You will never be able to create jCash. You will never be able to send around jCash. Why? jCash is as good as real money. It will be used by institutions for large payments and by KYC/AML individuals for easy af remittances. It's extremely geographically limited though.That's what we were all expecting. Except we expected it would be backed by both off-chain assets AND JNT. Now it is only backed by off-chain assets."Regulatory hurdles" justifies offering a token that is backed by JNT and nothing else, but I fail to see how it justifies offering a token that is not backed by JNT.Handling real money requires KYC/AML? Okay, then they should introduce jBonds but continue to require JNT-backing for jCash. The fact that they didn't would seem to imply something else happened... The most plausible reason seems to be that no entity was willing to tolerate the double-backing required in the previous plan.> jBonds can be on exchanges, can be created by But there aren't $20B of tether floating around. Even through massive printing of tether, there is what? Around $2B of tether? How much money has to be tokenized into jBonds for people to "invest" with it? What does it mean for normies to "invest" with it? They buy it and then immediately exchange it for some foreign investment, so that they never have to hold it for long, so that a very small amount of jBonds can satisfy everyone, so the market cap stays low?
Link=failedJNT=failedAll the heavily shilled biz tokens fail. Fuck that
bump
Etherscan says otherwise 9am est there were 7043 holders right now there are 7065. I am not selling this til i am rich and willing to go down with the ship. I have like 10k fiat into this and frankly i dont really care if i lose it but deep inside i know this is going to make me rich
>>8655966>They are the Tether replacement jCash can never be. And guess what?Also, I thought "lol they're just building a tether replacement" was considered baseless FUD a while ago, but now it's considered a good thing?If I made a new thread last week laughing at jibros and calling JNT a tether replacement, people would have called me out for fudding and played up the dual on-chain + off-chain solvency.Now I am seeing someone say this is good news because jBonds can become a tether replacement.
>>8655812you fucking idiots in this thread need to read this post by Yazan - look at why SEED is interested in Jibrel - for jBonds - so there can be direct foreign investment in the UAE. Consider this teams connections, consider that jBonds are backed by JNT, consider that the UAE wants to spur foreign investment while using crypto - consider the fact that JNT is still used to power everything else on the network and needs to be used - we are still bullish god damn. Go through the posts on Telegram and you'll see that we are all ok. This is going to give UAE bonds liquidity they've never had before. Hold until 2020 and all is well.
>>8656289Price prediction minus jCash being tokenized and all the tweak after today?and don't tell me you dont know, it depends.
>>8656289link me where it says that Seed invests in Jbonds
>>8656114They are the proof of solvency for jBonds.>>8656282You are still forgetting that jBonds will still be backed by institutions. The tradeoff is "needs less compliance, but can only be settled on-chain via JNT".jBonds are still backed by actual fiat, because SEED is providing the liquidity for both jCash and jBonds. Only the settlement happens differently.
>>8655935Hi jAustist, please read their updated medium post saying jCash is no longer backed by JNT. Looks like you got jIBBED.Some jArabs trying to out bank the jEws. KEK
>>8656365here and scroll to our investments:http://seedgroup.com/
>>8656365meant to our partners, its in the low right corner
>>8656422>>8656443that wasn't his question. and we can't answer him until the seed specific medium article is out next week
>>8656349I dont give a fuck about price predictions, but I sure as hell am now selling. This project is still a game changer, and the UAE connections are even more cemented now. Yazan just said that SEED is interested in Jibrel because it acts as a vehicle to spur foreign investment in the UAE. Think about that. Think about how large the bond market is and the liquidity Jibrel is giving to bonds. Also think about how that is only one facet of the project. >>8656365Go look on the telegram yourself you lazy shit
Price prediction EOY after those tweaks.?????jBond will save us?
>>8656468who the fuck knows now man. shiiiiitlets wait and see how popular jBonds with seed
>>865646810 dollars
>>8656458inb4 it doesn't come out next week I'm not fudding but after what happened I'm not getting my hopes up for deadlines >>8656468no one knows
Someone on telegram just sold 2/3 of his stack.Things are getting uglier.
>>8656365
>>8656365I heard BMW is partnering to create jbmwonds
>>8656520thanks just sold 100% of my stack
>>8656529yeah gonna wait till the medium post explaining it in detail. Strong focus means nothing. Does not even mean more than 50%
>>8656541ha, now the trap swings closed. if you want to sell a stack of JNT you push the price down like 10%. lol
>>8656621Ill buy it, still hoping this gets below 0.20
>>8656621lol the people spewing FUD are the ones with the buy orders. Everyone needs to relax. This is still one of the best plays in crypto right now.
>>8656650don't worry pretty sure it will be below 0.20 before the next medium post comes out
>>8656587it's gonna be a pocket change amount for experimental reasons no more than they already have in their reserve, calling it now.
>>8656520rule no 1Never fall in love with your own coin. If outlooks a re bad sell at a loss instead of selling it later at a bigger loss
my wife just filed for a jDivorce
>>8656996at least her relationship history will be on the blockchain so you know how many guys she jBlew.
First time I've been nervous with this. I've read the telegram but I'm not very happy. The scope of this project is blowing up rapidly and they've just changed the main use case of JNT. Sure it's still a proof of solvency token for jBonds but who knows to what extent theyll be used. Fucks sake lads, I'm going to wait for the next article because I'm in too deep anyway.
>Jibrel Network Token (JNT) will act as the ‘fuel’ or ‘gas’ of the network. JNT will provide universal access to all features provided by the Jibrel Network and the relevant Jibrel DApps.This coin has always been intended as nothing more than a gas token. It is in the fucking whitepaper. There will be no asset-backing by JNT. Moral of the story for everyone here: don't buy something shilled on biz without actually reading the whitepaper first.https://jibrel.network/assets/white_paper/Jibrel%20Network%20-%20White%20Paper%20(2nd%20Draft).pdf
>>8657200And yeah, I just dumped.
>>8657213which exchange?
>>8656662>>8657200>>8657213Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
"would have lost funds in excess of AED 2,000,000 (US$ 544,520) to provide only AED 10,000,000 (US$ 2,722,600) worth of CryDRs (20% deterioration)."Their stable assets lost 20% in actual fiat in a few weeks. TOP KEKand who the hell wants to buy jBonds, they might as well branch out and make jDAI, jBTC, jETH at least people in crypto will know what those are. Look at DAI usage because its not called xUSDx, and now they want plebs to consider jBonds thats not even related to USD since its a Bond. KEK
>>8657233gate.io>>8657235Welcome to crypto.
>>8657200I read the whitepaper before I bought. It was Talal that said JNT would be used as solvency tool. So the sand people actually said it would be used in this way, it didn't pop out of nowhere.My fucking hands are getting weak. Not okay with this shit.
>>8657239also that statement makes no sense. if they would have announced JNT as a reserve for real CryDRs the market would likely have behaved differently.
>>8657239Can someone explain to me how they somehow didn't take into account that JNT loses value because cryptocurrencies do that all the time? It always seemed weird to me that they would have to buy more and more JNT when the price drops, and I saw someone mention that in another thread. People laughed at him and told him he didn't understand the project. And now the Medium article basically says 'oh we didn't think JNT would lose value, now we would need to buy more, oops, that doesn't work'. What the fuck?
Hah. Nobody's selling. Chad coin is immune to fud
>>8657291>Can someone explain to me how they somehow didn't take into account that JNT loses value because cryptocurrencies do that all the time?people thought that jnt would decouple from other crypto in the long term. Also that a speculative pump(also dump) was not possible cause the dao would sell jnt so their stack does not superseed the backed value too much.The dao basically manipulating hte price all the time to normalize it
>>8657291look into the DAI stablecoin, its not like this model is impossible
>>8657335some tldr how the fuck dai works
>>8653585Y not debate him insteadnof screaming fud, op made an argument with proof, and sourcesYet ur only respond is FUDIm a dumb whale looking to buy 100btc worth of the next moon coin, sell me this jnt
This is what I get for trying to get rich quick I guess.
>>8657458yep, same here. this coin is fucking toast.>Generally, a combination of asset backed tokens and JNT backed tokens will be released.that sentence is the death knell of jibbies.
>>8657352pic related, seehttps://medium.com/cryptolinks/maker-for-dummies-a-plain-english-explanation-of-the-dai-stablecoin-e4481d79b90cliffs:collateral held in smart contract plus safety marginif collateral value falls, liquidation starts, before collateral is below tokenized asset face valuein black swan event, inflation happens on a diff token outside the ecosystem to cover shortfall, punishing ecosystem stakeholders.in case of soros attack, community can trigger global settlement event, freezing everything and buying back the stablecoin.
>>8657496DAI was blown the fuck out by an economist some time back. Don't buy it.someone find the article because i cba
>Yazan admin, [Mar 30, 2018, 4:44:52 PM]:Proof of Solvency is still the main mechanism for JNT. But additional utility needs to be put in place to reduce price volatility from speculative trading that isn't related to the underlying use-case.>Yazan admin, [Mar 30, 2018, 4:45:15 PM]:So wherever we can, we're adding utility that consumes JNT.hmm.
>>8657520oh really, is it just one of those things where it works now because no one cares enough but will get soros'ed later
>>8657520I shit hits the fan only offchain fiat-backed stable coins can work, every other ponzi will bite the dust>>8657559kekalso who is this Phil guy in telegram? his mental gymnastic abilities are fucking amazing!>>8657565every ponzi works until it doesn'tshady tether is safer than all those on chain-backed scams
It means that not only jcash but all tokenized assets will not need jnt. Also jbonds will never be that big since we already have several competing stable coins. JNT has basically become worthless now.
I wonder how that guy with 500k jnt feels assuming he actually has that much
>>8657593>>8655146
Even instos trying jibrel network aren't buying this jScamelcoin it seems this guy was right
I am done with alts. 95% of these are scams. I am locking my ETH in cold storage and hoping to someday break even.
>>8657658faggot made a great point tbqh... why wouldn't all these institutional goons be buying the shit out of this when they got home?
>>8657673did you seriously dump anon? wtf are you thinking? did you read the telegram?
>>8657658I literally said it myself, this ponzi would allow insider trading like nothing else and nothing would stop tokenizers from front running, buying as much as they can without pumping the price too much to then dump on the newsguess what I heard from bagholders?that it's fud, brainlet wojaks, etc
>>8657606I think that's someone else, the 500k guy said he was in on ven and some other thing too
>>8657749there's a 450K JNT fag who uses this pic all the time, and there's also a separate 500K JNT fag who also owns 500K LINK
WE'RE OVERSOLD BUY MY FUCKING BAGS BIBOT!!!
>>8657710My concern is the fact that it is just going to be used as a gas token, and the only thing we have saying otherwise is a telegram post.
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>>8657673Whales are manipulating the price down so they can accumulate more, don't be fooled. Whales are buying!
>>8652212Jibrel is the Arabic word for 'bait'. Their logo is literally a lure. It can't be more obvious than that.
>>8657658This is FUD. Whales are buying
>>8657658not that I disagree with him but wouldn't this apply to basically everything in crypto? how often do people buy up coins like that?also I'd think that people smart enough to do this would accumulate in a way that doesn't signal that they're doing soimagine trying to pump 1 million dollars into an alt without pushing the price up and experiencing major slippage honestly if you really think about it people like that would probably get in at pre-ico or ico level rather than buying shit off the market
>>8658080Don't listen to FUD! Just buy more!!
My will is strong, I am not selling.
>>8658198You're believing in a scam project. You must be really desperate to hold on to something that betrayed your trust over and over again.
another anime-chan pump n dump shitcoin
HA! Called it!pic rel, jnt biggest warrior/bagholder agreeing that Yazan either lied to everyone or is an idiot with no basic logicI wonder what's worse
>>8657909>>8657939shut the fuck up. we aren't fucking normies buying into a new shitcoin without knowing what the fuck it is.we are bagholders that are getting scammed by these camelfucking jihadis for believing their pajeet lies
300 reply thread fudding/shilling the fuck out of a $200,000 volume coinnobodys buying or selling. nothings happening.
>>8658621Not enough volume for anyone to actually sell. Someone selling 100K would dump the price down to 1 sat. There is also more news coming so any dumps and waiting until then. I would suggest having your sell ready though for when the next article comes out. Everything seems to be in the timeline of 4 months for alphas and probably 7 to 8 months for a complete product.
What is this bullshit
It’s pitiful to watch you guys trying to talk your way out of this obvious scam to make your self feel better about your bad investment. It’s really sad. Cut your loosers and move on. Sunk cost fallacy 100%I feel like I’m listening to the us gov talk about the f35 program.
>>8659258bagholders are waking up, the price is nosediving
>>8659272lol 200k JNT for sale on bibox at 20 cents (jnt/eth)
>>8659295also, I suspect i will be wishing i did that in a few days. just gonna baghold this.
>>8655169I'm so sad desu, I really wanted to believe this one :'(
this was my last chance. its over for me
>>8659675Same.
>>8655693>>8655760lmao
If jCash doesn't work with JNT backing it, why would jAssets or jBonds work at all?They lost 20% of their tokenized FIAT in a small pilot over a few weeks. There is no way any institution would touch that to tokenize anything, KEK
>>8659832hint: they don't
>>8659832They don't and this the start of the end...
>>8656191>Link=failedI pity the fool!
>>8659258kek
WHAT THE HELL, I JUST WOKE UPTALAL YOU ABSOLUTE CAMEL FUCKER, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>8661072You should check out what they found out about SEED group in the other thread.
>>8657922Are you retarded? No it's not.
>mfw refrained from buying because of uncertaintyThis just sealed it
*breathes*AHAHHHAHHAHHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAHHAHHAHAHHHHAHAHAHH
>>8661166AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIVE ME A BREAK
>>8661166>SEED group*breathes*AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAHHHAHAHHHGHHAAAAAAAAA