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8478767 No.8478767 [Reply] [Original]

Don't mind me, just making $750,000 a month.

>> No.8478786

That fucking hair. The internet was a mistake.

>> No.8478808

>>8478786

He is peak male performance. When you're done picking your jaw up off the ground, you can learn a thing or two from being a talented and positive streamer.

>> No.8478814

>>8478767
what's with the hair?

>> No.8478815

>>8478767
How did he fucking manage to do that

Why is live streaming even popular?

>> No.8478850

>>8478808
>Fortnite streamer
>talented
>mom get the credit card

>> No.8478852

>>8478767
Watching gaming streams is the ultimate cuckold move.

You are basically looking at someone else having fun with a game you really like and paying him.

You should all fix your self

>> No.8478863

>>8478815
It’s the new television for millennials and gen Z’ers

>> No.8478878

a quick scan shows he got money from the magic amazon well. prolly fraud mixed with ebullshit and a sprinke of outright lies

>> No.8478887

>>8478852

Watching sports is the ultimate cuckold move.

You are basically looking at someone else having fun with a sport you really like and paying him.

>> No.8478909

>>8478808
>mutts

>> No.8478985

>>8478852

i've always liked watching good people play games of any kind. world of warcraft or tennis. i don't have the patience to play myself. if i played call of duty or basketball i'd lose interest in about 4 mins.

realizing in the year's end that you've spent 1000s of hours playing a videogame for ZERO income seems a little more cuckold to me. never heard a girl say "jee becky, i love how he spends all his time playing videogames"

>> No.8479093
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8479093

It’s actually kind of fun to watch him play fortnite because of how good he is, sue me faggots

>> No.8479114

>>8478767
ninja is making far more than 750k a month. With youtube / sponsors / merch / donations and subs I would put him at 2 maybe 3 mil a month. Assuming he maintains his 200k subs.

>> No.8479142

>>8478887
this would make sense if twitch streams were professionally commented footage, but more often than not it's just the guy's face and his inane comments. no matter how you try to justify it, the lack of success of pure gameplay footage shows there's a strong cuckoldry aspect to twitch streaming
(of course, it's easy to argue people who watch american sports are similarly cucked as they feature unruly black men. two different activities can be just as bad for different reasons)

>> No.8479168

>>8478852
No one is forcing you to pay him. You can watch for free.
Also, watching someone who is way better at the game can be both entertaining and educational.
I don't even watch him, but you're just downright salty.

>> No.8479180

if he pays taxes it's fine
There are all kind of weird "jobs" nowadays

>> No.8479185

>>8478985
>girls disapprove, oh no
Your cuck is showing

>> No.8479197

Test

>> No.8479198

>>8478852
100%
These faggots need to get a life

>> No.8479238

>>8478767
>1 successful soyboy vs /biz/

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>>8478887
Yes it is, I mean seriously just think about it for a second. You are paying to watch a bunch of guys (((tackle))) each other and smack their asses while hearing them grunt. If anything it’s gay and cuckold in nature.

>> No.8479640

>>8478852
>>8478887
>>8479142
>>8479198

HAHAHA GUYS THIS!!! HAHAHAHA THIS GUYS!!! THIS THIS THIS!!!!!

IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING IN COMMON WITH THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, YOU'RE JUST A KEK. HAHAHAH

ex DEE! xD

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW!!!

If you think people are wasting too much time watching a streamer, say so. Don't say that you're wasting time doing something you enjoy. Might as well stop existing.

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>>8479640
Wtf how old are you, 13.

I'm just saying that when you are voluntary watching in your free time a blue haired queer playing some kids game you got issues man.

Now go mow the lawn

>> No.8479778

>>8479640
You're wasting your time when you watch other people play video games, you fat fucking loser incel retard

>> No.8479851

>>8479778

lel

>>8479733

How is that any different than wasting your time eating food or doing the laundry? We're all going to die in the end. You're just mad millions of losers don't have a job and sit at home and watch these mongoloids all day.

>> No.8479889

>>8478852
You're just envious you're not enough of a faggot to rake in a cool million a month playing bideo james

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8479935

>>8479889

> bideo james

JESUS CHRIST, I'M DYING

>> No.8479946
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8479946

Noticed the sudden
>"kek soyboy get a life ;)"
>"grow up manchild videogames are for kids.."
flood in this site since the 2016 election?

Well guess why

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>>8479946
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHA fuck good work anon. That really explains a lot

>> No.8480358

>>8478808
Great comeback!

>> No.8480502

>>8478767
it´s no magic. hes the best in the most hyped game right now.

>> No.8480563

How is this any different from being a celebrity? He’s an entertainer and they get lots of money. I never watched anyone stream or play video games myself, but it seems like combining several hard things:
>being very good at a video game, not just mediocre, but deliberately pushing yourself
>keeping the attention of annoying faggotty millennials
>updating often
>maintaining a positive attitude
>have an attractive personality

>> No.8480607

>>8478887
>>8478852
They're both for cucked beta soys, get a hobby that involves actually doing something

>> No.8480622

>>8478815
because people are trash

>> No.8480758

>>8479946
What is a centipede?

>> No.8480780

reminder to stop playing video games and clean your room

quit smoking weed, also

>> No.8480875

>>8478767
I'm on twitch a lot and I don't fucking know where Ninja even came from.
In a matter of days he went from unknown to being the biggest streamer on the site, and he even got deals with sponsors really fast.

>> No.8480884

>>8478767
Levels of soy over 9000

>> No.8480893

>>8478767
props to him, he's doing something he loves and making fuck tons of money off it

makes me feel like a bit of a failure considering we're basically the same age desu

>> No.8480910

the question isnt why are people watching, its why are people paying? given how poor everyone is from the demographics that watches shit like twitch.tv its not sustainable to have a subscription per channel model

>> No.8480920

>>8479851
>this faggot is seriously defending e-celebs cause it's all he has
do something else already anon, you aren't going to be popular.

>> No.8480938

BIDEOOOOOOO GEIMUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUS

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>>8480758
ignorance is bliss

>> No.8480962

>>8478887
this is also true lol i hope you dont think this is a comeback

>> No.8480994

>>8479168
No one is forcing you to watch Tyrone fuck your wife, you can do it freely.
Also, watching somebody better at sex than you can be both entertaining and educational.
I don't even cuckold, but you're just downright silly.

>> No.8481001

>>8478815
television is dead and twitch streams fill the niche of 24/7 new entertainment. kids don't care how bad or good it is, as long as they have something funny to watch

>> No.8481014

>>8480563
>How is this any different from being a celebrity?

Who said it was? These streamers are exactly like any other celebrity and follow the same cancerous culture as their TV or sport counterparts. They're no less fake personality wise and the idiots who watch them still think they know them on some personal level.

Despite this though many still look at them as inferior to traditional celebrities but that's mostly a generational thing. We'll move from people watching TV and sports celebrities to kids playing video gaymes. I don't think it's any worse really as it's just a shift from one to the other. It's not like people will be any less vegetative than some slob watching the Superbowl. You could argue than watching sports at least brings the possibility of people socialising but even that's on the decline with newer generations sticking to communicating through a screen.

>> No.8481025

>>8478887
are you trying to be ironic and/or just realizing this?

>> No.8481039

Damn, you guys are so jealous. Thanks for reminding me how many haters there are out there.

>> No.8481080

>>8478767
>just making $750,000 a month.

The dude's eyes look like they could fall right out of his head. He's likely to join the 27 club, but it will have been a joyous 27 years.

>> No.8481096

>>8479946
That is the worst thing I read this month, perhaps this year. Imagine, you can be interacting with 70 year olds right now. These people don't even know what anime is. I think I'm having a panic attack. I've never had a panic attack. I hate old people so much.

>> No.8481170

>>8478767
Faggot

>> No.8481199
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8481199

>streaming is a crook
>who needs indipendent entertaiment just use the US$... I mean the TV!

This is how you sound right now.

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>>8478767
Can't get mad at that faggot, he used to be an oldfag involved in the Halo esports scene going all the way back to Halo 3 which is now over 10 years old mind you. He jumped ship from the sinking boat that was Halo 5 (any sane person would) and just happen to pick up and stick with fortnite while everybody else was still riding on the pubg train. He bet on the right shitty horse.

>> No.8481640

>>8481014
> fake personality
Ninja regularly tells people who donate real money to fuck off when they ask shit questions and refunds them as well.

>> No.8481671

>>8478887
Man, I love this underage argument that has been debunked plenty of times.
Kys.

>> No.8481718

>>8481671
Fags like that one you replied to only prove that /biz/ isn't a place to talk about making money. It's a place for poorfags to congregate and talk (without action) about being rich or the rich.

>> No.8481731

>>8481284
so is pubg kill by fortnight? i dont follow this shit much.

>> No.8481777

>>8481671
>debunked
you cant debunk someone saying watching sports is as bad as watching some guy play video games. they're both the same exact thing as far as the viewer experience goes.

>> No.8481793

>>8478850
He was a top halo player 8 years ago, that's like the most alpha competitive game.

>> No.8481849

>>8481731
pretty much

>> No.8481858

>>8481731
yes

>> No.8481898

>>8481731
PUBG deserved to get killed off desu

It’s horribly maintained

>> No.8481899

>>8481777
Yes it's the same, he was saying that it's not the same as watching someone else fuck your wife.

>> No.8481917

>>8481793
Every non counter strike and rainbow six siege shooter is for manchildren

>> No.8481974

>>8481917
Yes, suck Gaben's and Ubisoft dick harder, that is what it really feels like to be a man.

>>8481898
Agreed

>> No.8481979

>>8478887
i agree with this more than anything.

all your dads and uncles and shit are fucking losers. everyone loves to watch niggers play sports for some reason.

I personally am not interested in sports unless i am on the team playing.

>> No.8482009

>>8478815
>How did he fucking manage to do that
He's been streaming for years and caught lightning in a bottle with fortnite. I don't know if it's because we're in a social media era, but fortnite might be the most popular game I've ever seen.

>> No.8482032

>>8482009
More than LoL? That shit was huge

>> No.8482036

The worst thing he is actually not some kind of a miracle player.
Fortnite has no ranked matchmaking so he just crushes subhuman retards and braindead kids over and over and people think he is a god.

>> No.8482077

>>8482032
LoL is huge internationally, but fortnite is already a part of western pop culture in a way that I've never seen LoL achieve. espn/worldstarhiphop/bleacherreport/all these normie entities regularly post fortnite highlights.

>> No.8482092

>>8478852
Still salty this guy makes way more money than your pajeetcoin will ever make you.

>> No.8482118

>>8482032
>>8482077
Huge pop icons are getting on Ninja’s stream to play. This will never happen with LoL

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>>8481793
>that's like the most alpha competitive game

Bwahaha. Most competitive fps game is and will always be CS. Most competitive 1v1 will always be starcraft. Both of those games are the oldest of their genre, sc is the oldest esport and cs is the oldest esport in western world

all other esports are for kids with zero talent and zero global competiveness / talent

>> No.8482142

>>8482118
>>8482077
Damn I didn't know that, fucking crazy.

>> No.8482191

>>8482137
>all other esports are for kids with zero talent and zero global competiveness / talent
meanwhile people are just watching/playing what they find fun. the cs formula is stale and boring, only narratives like c9 in boston make it interesting to watch anymore.

>> No.8482211

>>8482137
Most competitive FPS is quake by far
Fuck off

>> No.8482217

>>8482137
Quake 3 is both the oldest esport in the west and the oldest in his genre.

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>>8482191
Yea it's been around 20 years, slight graphic upgrades during that time. not going anywhere

>> No.8482241

>>8482211
Quake has 1% of talent pool and history of cs. Most quake 1 players switched to cs and really, quake have never had any kind of esport element. Some random tournaments here and there

>> No.8482265

>>8482241
>who is Fatal1ty

>> No.8482266

>>8482241
>quake have never had any kind of esport element. Some random tournaments here and there
retard

>> No.8482279

>>8482265
A random quake player playing with very narrow pool of players thus able to win tournaments during short era

>> No.8482286

>>8482241
>some random tournaments
>no talent
Pls kys, you have no idea what are you talking about
CS babbies will never have raw skill of Quake players

>> No.8482364

>>8482279
>>8482241

>Wendel has won about US$450,000 in cash and prizes from professional competitions
This is way more than any other pro player at the time, Quake 3 was by far the biggest esport with the biggest public and most players

>quake 1 players
quake 1 doesn't even have multiplayer, you don't know what you are talking about.

>> No.8482404

>>8478808
lol

>> No.8482488

i just checked his twitch to see... he made about $75 in the 5 minutes I was watching.
100k viewers
i'm jealous. but twitch is very slanted towards the top, either you're the top 0.001% making dosh or you're the top 1% begging for $200 a day.

>> No.8482501

>>8479851
This is what happens when you take away the common man's god. Nihilism is poison.

>> No.8482571

>>8478786
>>8478814
I actually saw his stream once, he said he is not into dying hair but he is cosplaying SSGSS Goku soon

>> No.8482575

is there anything that's not cucked?
I suppose you all spend your time chopping wood and shooting rifles?

>> No.8482579

>>8481777
>you cant debunk

It's pretty easy to say playing QB in the NFL is as complex as playing video games, but more artful from a physically aesthetic POV when watching a game.

Doing either thing for a reasonable amount of time is fine, but spending an inordinate amount of time on either means you are a retarded soy boy.

>> No.8482593

>>8482488
(US$ 200) * 28 =
5600 US$

how is this bad for sitting on your ass playing vidya

>> No.8482611

>he doesn't watch female streamer

>> No.8482661

>>8482593
it's not, but i'm talking about the top 0.01% of streamers.
There's plenty of pro gamers on twitch that don't make anything at all.
I'm talking about Grubby, he's arguably the best W3 player in the world at some points and he makes about $200 a day

guess its like pro sports in the same way, no one cares about the guy who didn't make it to the nba

>>8482611
i checked in the IRL section to see what the fuss was all about, there are girls making $100 an hour just begging to go on their next vacation & shit. she was wearing tight pants and bending over "doing a painting" for views.
shit is insane

>> No.8482685

>>8482611
>he doesn't donate to female streamer and masturbate furiously when she reads his donations and imagines dating her and sharing tender moments with her

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>>8481898
>>8481974
t. poorfags who can't even afford a 1070

>> No.8482747

>>8482708
I just want to point out this idiot has the fans backwards. GPUs exhaust out of the I/O panel since the GPU fans push down onto the heatsink and the air is guided toward the I/O. Weak ass rig

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>>8482747
the fans are pulling air out, not pushing air in, but you tried

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8482872

>>8482708
Terrible setup. Get on my level.

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8482918

>>8482872
I used to have vertical gpus on some rigs, but then I stopped being retarded

>> No.8482959

>>8482918

What are your voltages, temps and fan speeds?

985mV
55 C
49%

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>>8482959
for the 570s, setting voltages actually drained more power than leaving auto. I tried with 900 and 850

60C
50-70%
0.9kw total for 7 cards + mb/cpu/ssd

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>>8478767
>all these grandpas in this thread
your time is up old men
There is a reason Amazon bought Twitch, they know where the future is.
Sad you dont

>> No.8483060

>>8482999
I'm not using overlocking software, so I don't have auto voltages. Curious to how that works on the low level, though.

Do you edit memory timing but keep the clocks OEM or what?

>> No.8483092

>>8483060
I edited the timings only. I mess around with the OC in the blockchain drivers, but not quite sure if it even does anything. Don't need gpu core anyway for eth, so I just leave it at -10%

>> No.8483103

>>8483046
wanna know how I know you're underage... you use words like grampa unironically thinking you're le witty /b/tard humor.
listen kid I get it moomy and duhdy never actually raised you so you dont know how to act but I bet if you said that grampa lie in public to someone in their 30s or 40s you'd go down quicker than the 5$ ho your mom is.

safe behind a moniter you're pretty ballzy tough. Not so much irl dweeb.

now stop shitposting and thinking you're le humor witty with it. Btw I hope when you're a "Grandpa" you get your ass beat daily by the youth of america and someone tells you... you're time is up old man there is a reason the youth beat your ass. they know the future and you arent in it. sad you dont.


dumb cunt

>> No.8483140

>>8483092
core clock can be reduced more than 10% in my experience.

You definitely need to overclock the memory on top of the timing changes, though.

What hash rates are you getting?

Best I've been able to maintain with any sort of reliability:

rx580: ~31 MH/s @ 985 mV
rx570: ~28 MH/s @ 975 mV

The 570s are a fucking pain in my dick. That and the fact that AMD cards draw way more power than they're supposed to from the PCI slot, so the riser power connectors have burnt up on me twice.

>> No.8483162

>>8483103
Ok now Harold, its time for a nap.

You get cranky without your nap, those darn millennial can wait. I got your prune juice and your 15 prescription medications ready.

>> No.8483223

>>8481284
People don't realize that success takes a while. This guy had to endure being called a virgin loser nerd for a few years before he became a professional gamer. Then he had to endure another 10 years of being called a virgin nerd. Then he finally reaps the reward of making millions while being called a nerd.

>> No.8483405

>>8483140
less than -10% and I start getting invalid shares and hashrate drops
I OC memory to 1870 on 470s and 1930 on 570s

570 -27.9 mh stable
470 -26mh stable
580 -31mh stable (I know a guy who has the rom for 34mh and sells it for 1k like a nig)

Also have a vega 64 rig but it's getting kinda useless atm so I might just turn it off for now

>> No.8483413

>>8482036
He is also dull with 0 charisma.
Streams are not for me, apart from esports, but i can understand the appeal of other streamers.
Someone like Dr. Disrespect has actual production quality, a persona and some charisma. Shroud is just insanely good at shooters.
This ninja guy is just some random dude who seems like he is always kinda pissed of at everything

>> No.8483479

>>8483405
>I know a guy who has the rom for 34mh

That sounds hard to believe, I've spent a lot of hours fucking with memory timings and I couldn't get past 32 or so -- but it would fail at least once every couple of days, requiring a power cycle.

>> No.8483504

>>8483140
>>8483405

How much do you guys even make per day with your rigs? Isn't it pennies theese days?

Also how much do you get from a 580 4Gb I have one for gaymes, and whattomine says I would make 1.31$ which is laughable for the money this shit costs.

>> No.8483525

>>8483479
I think it's more about the mining software than the timings themselves.

>> No.8483537

>>8483504
Not sure where you got that idea from.

Period ETH USD
Day Ξ0.02767 $15.64
Week Ξ0.19366 $109.49
Month Ξ0.82998 $469.25

My current payouts. USD is low right now because ETH/USD is obviously at a low.

When I first started I was mining 13 ETH a month.

>> No.8483554

>>8483537
Sorry, forgot to include that this is only with 14 GPUs in total.

>> No.8483572

>>8483504
Yeah, it's pretty bad atm, only making $50/day with 6 rigs. I have been through similar ocasions though, and am positive we will see crazy profitability soon (newfags need to be shaken out once in a while)

>> No.8483589

>>8483572
Honestly thinking about it in terms of USD/day is silly, because ETH is way undervalued at the moment. Unless you're immediately converting it to USD, which would be a mistake IMO.

>> No.8483615

>>8483589
That's a bad metric, you need to value it in how much you would get if you just outright bought the coin instead of mining. There is also the electric bill to be paid

>> No.8483690

>>8483537
>>8483572
I see, thanks.

>> No.8483691

>>8483615
My electric bill is like $150 more a month.

It's not a bad metric, because if you calculate everything with ETH being $500, but you hold onto it until it's $2000, you were ACTUALLY making 4x USD in retrospect.

Like when I was mining 13 ETH a month, it was only like $40-50/ETH. I've held onto that ETH, so I was ACTUALLY making closer to $6,000 as of today's prices.

>> No.8483745

>>8483691
that means you could have just bought 130 eth for $5000 instead of a rig

>> No.8483809

>>8483745

I've considered that. Both rigs cost me about $4400 in total to build (I think?). so that would have translated into about 50-100 ETH at the time. Probably would have been a better idea, but it was a gamble either way.

You can't predict the steep decrease in monthly returns any better than you can predict the price increase. At the time, it was the better decision.

And, at least until something much faster than DDR5 comes out (or ETH moves away from PoW), we'll be mining close to the same, regardless of the price in USD. I still think it was a good idea.

Bear in mind, I also bought about $10k+ worth of ETH.

>> No.8483850

I think it's cool that you can make a lot of money doing shit like this. But I don't understand why this guy in particular has taken the #1 spot on Twitch. He's pretty good at fortnite I guess, but he's really boring and generic. There are many other streamers who are far more entertaining.

>> No.8484592

>>8479851
The modern nihilism, the joke of every possible philosophy.
The self proclamed nihilist, he lies, he is hipocrital, his mere existence is a contradiction, yet he is still here. "Nothing" he says, "life has no meaning, we're all going to die" he says, yet he gladly eats, shits, and fucks, as the human he is, clinging with every finger he's got to everything he knows, yet he adventures to say that "there's nothing".

The modern nihilist, has a superiority complex, he thinks his senseless conclussions make him superior, and most of all, he defends his erratic behaviour with his senseless conclusions.

A mere rat

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>>8478767
he also accepts nano donations on stream

the ultimate chad coin for the chad streamer of the modern era

>> No.8484720

Is Ninja /ourguy/?

>extremely good at an obscure thing
>smelly mode
>called a loser virgin in his early 20s
>married to a qt at a young age
>like the Bungie Halos
>impersonates other people very well, has great sense of humor
>has optimistic outlook on life, isn’t sucked in by reddit midwit tier nihilism
>successfully /madeit/

>> No.8484723

>>8480994
Thanks for making my point? Cuckoldry is a thing, and if someone's into it, go for it.

>> No.8484742

>>8484720
*skelly mode, I bet meh smells good

>> No.8484793

>>8479733
>what is irony?

>> No.8484815

>>8479889
>bideo james
sides in orbit. send help.

>> No.8484902

When I was a kid we used to fight over who got the controller because watching someone else play was the worst thing ever. Literal fist fights.
Now kids are stealing their mom's credit card to buy emotes so they can spam memes in chat while watching someone else play a game

So fucked up

>> No.8485268

>>8482137
Doesn't matter. Its about what the market wants. If you think this blue haired faggots doesn't have a team of advisors telling him exactly how to dress and act youre retarded. He might have started genuine, but noone gets to the top being themselves, not even pewds.

>> No.8485452

>>8482137
shit, you sound like someone too old to even adapt to the new mechanics implemented in all the new games... i hope this never happens to me. top 100 in Overwatch and +1000 wins in fortnite here by the way AMA

>> No.8485535

>>8484592
saved