EXOTIC BREEDER GENERAL

[Anonymous No.58254731]

This general thread is for people that breed or grow exotic plants or animals for the purpose of sale to collectors.

Examples of exotics:
>reptiles
>bugs
>plants
>fish

These markets hold great potential for data savvy /biz/ posters, they are smaller and less "gamed", you can utilize data skills to forecast the value of your future hybrids or purebreds, and anticipate the market. Many "exotics" have a raw value if collectors aren't interested.

Bonsai plants, rare flowers, cool bugs, ball pythons, turtles, fish, these things all have really nice markets especially for someone with some knowledge of basic genetics.

SO many of these things can basically just be stored on shelves like anything else you collect.

[Anonymous No.58254934]

>2024
>not being a humble rare plant merchant

[Anonymous No.58255167]

bump

[Anonymous No.58255217]

lmao nigga

[Anonymous Mogul No.58255391]

>>58254934
This has to be money laundering right? No one is going to pay 15k for a Philodendron.<div class="xa24desu"></div>

[Anonymous No.58255411]

>>58255391
its a ~rare~ philodendron anon

[Anonymous Mogul No.58255440]

>>58254731
based. what are some easy plant ideas?

[Anonymous No.58255454]

>>58254731
The all black chickens

[Anonymous Mogul No.58255477]

>>58255411
whats stopping someone from buying it, growing it into multiple plants, then selling it again for 8k instead undercutting the 15k guy by half?

[Anonymous No.58255518]

>>58255440
The trend right now is anything thats "variegated"

[Anonymous No.58255540]

>>58255477
Nothing. You have to anticipate the market. That's part of why /biz/ would be good at this. It's hardly different than shitcoins, stocks, or pokemon cards.

[Anonymous No.58255559]

>>58255454
Yes lots of livestock would fit into this category as well, though I would try to keep the creature on the smaller size.

[Anonymous No.58255580]

>>58255391

My ex did this for a while to make side cash

Her gay best friend was a travelling nurse making like 200k/yr and he regularly was buying plants for like 5-10k. Shit was absurd to me but it's a real thing

[Anonymous No.58255628]

>>58254731
Is there a market for water buffalo?

[Anonymous Mogul No.58255631]

>>58255518
>thats "variegated"
what does that even mean?

[Anonymous No.58255666]

>>58255631
exhibiting different colors, especially as irregular patches or streaks.
"variegated yellow bricks"
BOTANY
(of a plant or foliage) having or consisting of leaves that are edged or patterned in a second color, especially white as well as green.
"the variegated form of philadelphus"
If you guys can grade a rare coin or baseball card then you can pick out the qualities that exotic collectors pay big bucks for

[Anonymous No.58255751]

>>58255454
I can get frozen black chickens at the Asian grocery store near me for less than $20. Unless there's a different variety that's worth more, I can't believe they'd be worth my time.

[Anonymous No.58256026]

>>58255580
>travelling nurse making like 200k/yr
wtf is this job lol

[Anonymous Mogul No.58256031]

>>58254731
No, but I’m seriously thinking about it. Not even exotic. This year I started all of my vegetable garden indoors from seed, using shelves with grow lights, and grew organically. For me it’s too cold outside to jumpstart seedlings for an early spring garden, so I used to buy a lot of starter plants, until last year the prices seemed unreasonable. Anyway, I went to Lowes to check prices on a couple of things that either did not germinate or I forgot to plant. If I had bought non-organic starter plants for my garden I would have spent about $400. They didn’t even carry organic. And just common houseplants were insane. Like $20 for a snake plant that was only one shoot and tiny. I’ve got the things reproducing all over the place. Hanging baskets of common petunias were $40. I started all of mine from seed for next to nothing. I saved a LOT of money this year, but it got me seriously considering starting a side plant nursery business.

[Anonymous Mogul No.58256100]

>>58255391
It’s actually a thing. Covid prompted a lot of people to buy houseplants, which they all bragged about online for attention and shared photos of as though they were their children. They then began to crave “rare” houseplants to share photos of online for attention.

[Anonymous Mogul No.58256148]

>>58254731
my retarded mexican neighbor breeds (bred?) exotic bulldogs of some kind, they're like miniature and weird looking, and claims he makes 10-20k per litter with at least one litter every other month

there is also a very real possibility that he is using this business to launder drug money. but still, he says he sells each one for 2-5k depending on their characteristics and i have no reason to doubt him

the whole house smells like dogshit though.

[Anonymous No.58256178]

I run a homegrown semen business. I come from good genetic stock and present my customers with services that no one has been thinking about in the IVF sector.

[Anonymous Mogul No.58256218]

>>58255628
is that Optimus Prime? the mike tyson of fighting buffalo
to answer your question, i am told that in certain parts of vietnam and southern china, fighting buffalo are indeed very valuable but i think unless you're part of that culture it would be a hard thing to break into. also they train them a lot. same with fighting cocks
>>58255454
>>58255751
online cockfighting is a huge business

[Anonymous Mogul No.58256248]

>>58256031
you should do it!

[Anonymous Mogul No.58256312]

>>58255666
so are these qualities not replicable? you cant just clone the existing vine and make 30 copies fo the same $15,000 plant? i dont understand the market here

[Anonymous No.58256387]

>>58256312
It's genetics. It's a toss up. Sometimes you get what you want. Sometimes you don't. That's part of the game.

[Anonymous No.58256507]

You telling me you fucking autists couldn't breed shiny turtles? You were BORN to do genetics and price arbitrage on people's hobbies and you KNOW IT.

[Anonymous No.58256523]

Not buying your snake bags anon. I'm all in on rare geckoes and fancy shrimp.

[Anonymous No.58256658]

>>58256178
im not vaxxed 6'5 and masters degree how much you buying cum for ill send you some

[Anonymous No.58256705]

>>58255559
>>58255751
>>58256218
>black feathers, black skin, black comb, black flesh, black organs, and black bones

[Anonymous No.58256721]

>>58256026
They are basically mercenary nurses

[Anonymous No.58256866]

>>58254731
How do I become an exotic rancher/farmer? What are my first steps?

[Anonymous No.58257043]

>>58256866
likely research, investment into equipment, and a pair of exotics to breed.

[Anonymous No.58257123]

>>58256658

>Posts degree but not networth

Let me guess, brown eyes? Lol

[Anonymous Mogul No.58259244]

>>58256866
You’ll have to look into your local laws. I’ve been toying with the idea of selling houseplants and also vegetable plants and herbs. Apparently in my area I have to obtain some sort of license and have a designated area/greenhouse that will be inspected. They claim it’s to avoid the spread of disease. I guess I can understand that. It’s kind of annoying though, as it puts me in the position of needing start up funds for the greenhouse and equipment and I’ve no idea if I’d be successful enough part time for all of that to be worth it. Ideally I’d just be selling extra houseplants I propagate and starter plants I grow on my little shelves with grow lights in a corner of a room, but da guvmint ain’t gonna let me do that.

[Anonymous No.58259356]

Bump, this is the best thread on biz in a while

[Anonymous Mogul No.58260100]

>>58259356
Yeah, actually. I’m disappointed it doesn’t appear to interest many.

[Anonymous No.58260300]

>>58254731
OP if this is something you do I would be very interested in talking to you. I am in a somewhat similar business, and we could both benefit.

[Anonymous No.58260376]

>>58256026
traveling doctors/nurses are in high deman

[Anonymous Magnate No.58260648]

this is now a $TOAD thread

[Anonymous Magnate No.58260670]

>>58260648

[Anonymous No.58260680]

>>58256148
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[Anonymous Magnate No.58260713]

>>58260680

[Fledgling Investor No.58260765]

>>58260648
It looks like you could make some good money breeding these things.

[Anonymous No.58260885]

>>58254731
who are you selling the plants to? pet stores and local buyers?
or do you ship the plants?
I have killed many bonsai trees from improper care

[Anonymous No.58261469]

>>58260670
For it's Lil Mayo

[Anonymous No.58265235]

bump

[Anonymous No.58265611]

Bump for more info on indoor rare plant mushroom and shrimp growers

[Anonymous No.58266667]

>>58259244
Just ignore the law. If you ever get big you'll know by then if you ever needed to care about it.

[Anonymous No.58266695]

>>58254731
>we were in a bear market all along

[Anonymous No.58266722]

>>58266695
Bagholding casuals just hit break even and sold. Get ready for the comfiest board in years.

[Anonymous No.58266828]

>>58266695
Exotic breeders stand to profit more than trading card collectors and rare coin collectors, as well as 99.9999% of crypto traders and /smg/ will never make money

as well this has a way higher potential for big bucks than any "side hustle" would

therefore this is the only good thread on /biz/

you can fit like 100 snakes on a shelf and if they arent worth a lot of money you can literally sell them by weight and in bulk very easily, all you have to do is set up your operation so that the cost of operation is never beyond the base weight value of the snakes, this makes any rare snake a huge profit, expand this to any other type of breeding of cultivating

[Anonymous Mogul No.58266937]

>>58254731
Not so rare fish investor here. I mass produce 4 guppy breeds
>Roundtail Guppy
>Green Guppy
>Fantail Guppy
>Bronze Guppy

[Anonymous No.58267094]

>>58254731
I want a snake to swallow my dick.

[Anonymous No.58267285]

>>58266937
How many do you sell in a month? Unit price? Worth it? Would you consider moving to more expensive fish? Can you do tricks with the fish like you can with livestock in terms of raising them on very specific diets as well as selective breeding? Would a fish with a hyperdose of certain vitamins be a premium type of feed?

[Anonymous No.58267334]

In my mind, I think about 300 units per month is a goldilocks zone, that's 10 sales per day. I have trouble imagining making more sales than this in any given region, to surpass this I believe you would need to move to ecommerce, where you would probably be dealing with vastly different pricing than local sales.

So the goal is to increase unit cost while maintaining roughly 300 unit sales per month. Once price begins to impact unit sales, you have maxed out this criteria and should begin to breed a different species.

[Anonymous Mogul No.58267381]

>>58267285
>How many do you sell in a month?
I would consider selling 200 per breed every month as lucky
>>58267285
>Worth it?
Yeah it has a little overhead cost just electricity and I don't have a storefront just online selling.
>Would you consider moving to more expensive fish?
I don't think so although betta is quite a lucrative investment.
>Would a fish with a hyperdose of certain vitamins be a premium type of feed?
I'm feeding my guppies on a bare minimum (cheapest pellets) you just have to watch the condition of water. gayr

[Anonymous No.58267405]

>>58267381
Sell to pet stores online? Or are your customers generally individuals? Ebay? Etsy?

[Anonymous Mogul No.58267482]

>>58267405
Facebook marketplace
Pet shop owners
Friends

[Anonymous No.58267484]

I grow cacti as a hobby, picrel is my indoor setup. Some of them are exotic and fetch pretty high prices for healthy adult plants.
If you live somewhere with a ton of sun and have space cultivating them for sale is definitely an option. I've seen some crazy things like cultivated trichocereus varieties selling for 1000+ bucks per cutting.

I will likely simply sell some of my plants in the future to free up space - once they are large and presentable enough.

[Anonymous No.58267600]

>>58267482
I keep getting banned by facebook because I keep trying to just have a business page and not use my profile at all and they just decide im a bot and ban me

:( theres 2 billion fucking people on facebook marketplace and they wont let me play

[Anonymous No.58267614]

>>58267484
Very nice. I've heard a baseball sized peyote cactus could pay a month's rent. Is this true and how long does this take?

[Anonymous Mogul No.58267662]

>>58267600
>I keep trying to just have a business page and not use my profile
Unfortunately you have to use your verifiable account. You can try on instagram, I saw a lot of thriftshops use instagram to sell used luxury clothes and brownies with marijuanas.

[Anonymous No.58267789]

>>58267614
I've seen some really nice specimens of LW being sold for more than a grand. But they were immaculate and on their own roots.
You can graft cacti to kickstart their growth. A lot of slow growing cacti like LW tend to grow a taproot, and even after degrafting it takes years for a new one to grow.
A plant on their own roots fetches a higher price, since it takes a long time to cultivate, and it's harder to keep it free of disease and pests.

Then there's also the fact that peyote is illegal to grow in the US for most people. I wouldn't do it unless you live somewhere else. Focus on other expensive collector plants instead. Landrace tricho market is stupid in terms of money people pay for cuts. There are smaller cacti like astrophytum, ariocarpus and so on.

[Anonymous No.58267874]

>>58267662
I may try to use a friends facebook account or something
>>58267789
Very interesting. I am very interested in creating an ecosystem, of all rare creatures that have value. Rare fish, rare plants, rare birds, rare amphibians, rare reptiles, all in a greenhouse type ecosystem and they all work symbiotically. I think the operational costs can almost entirely be avoided if you match enough of nature's things together in the right ways. I think it would be super fun to have such a balanced and organized and beautiful thing, and it's quite the bonus that I would be able to harvest and produce rare things and creatures to sell as a result.

[Anonymous No.58267945]

ww@? Shrimpchads, we breeding big time money out here.

[Anonymous No.58268000]

>>58254731
>39k listings of specifically ball pythons
damn nigga, market seems to be at capacity

[Anonymous No.58268066]

>>58268000
You would think, but it says nothing about circulation and volume. What you need to know is how many days it takes to sell something.

>>58267945
I respect you Shrimp kings

[Anonymous No.58268512]

>>58254934
none of these sites make any money.

[Anonymous No.58268631]

Imagine paying more than $20 for a plant

[Anonymous No.58268693]

>>58268631
>what is marijauna

[Anonymous No.58268729]

>>58268693
Imagine being a druggie faggot, kys

[Anonymous No.58268804]

>>58268729
you asked what plant is worth more than $20; i answered. cant help it of youre retarded and cant see the value in things you can grow yourself

i suggest you start by growing a pair, mamby pamby whimpy boy

[Anonymous No.58269459]

>>58268729
chill yourself my man

[Anonymous No.58270100]

Bump
Does anyone here do mushroom stuff, like lions mane, and sell it in pills as a nootropic?

[Anonymous No.58270174]

>>58254731
>can be stored on shelves like so many other things
No, you can't store living things on a shelf without water, sun, a food source, a way to clean the habitat, etc.
>>58256026
Nurses who get paid crazy money to go work like a 3-6 month stint somewhere because American healthcare system

[Anonymous No.58270360]

>>58260680
no they weren't smashed slammed toadline but similar. they looked like mini pitbull pug things with weird velvety fur, but normal proportions.

[Anonymous No.58270425]

>>58266667
Tax evasion is not within the FBI's authority to investigate

[Anonymous No.58270825]

>>58270174
oh its not that much work

[Anonymous No.58271985]

bump

[Anonymous No.58272432]

Bump

[Anonymous No.58272494]

>>58255580
The gay nurse is your ex, isn't he...

[Anonymous No.58272685]

>>58267600
Fake persona? It's not that hard, just takes a few weeks to make it look real enough.

[Anonymous No.58272714]

I keep zesty, bodalicious bucks chained in my basement in Boca Raton so I can breed them if y’all can catch my drift

[Anonymous No.58272803]

There's huge money in nursery, particularly if you're selling retail as opposed to commercial. I have a small nursery on the side (>2000 trees) and my input costs per tree are approx $5 and they'll sell for $150+. You need to find the highest priced varieties and specimens because realistically the input costs don't vary much, just the required experience and time is also a big factor. My trees for example would sell now as is for $50 but another year of growth they're triple that. By the time they sell I'll probably have spent about 200 hours on them, plus the $10000 approx input costs and I'll be netting $300k

[Anonymous No.58272846]

>>58266828
Then I have to be surrounded by fucking snakes

[Anonymous No.58272891]

>>58254934
>market for single white women
Not a bad idea honestly
>remembering that 90% of these single white women are relentless cunts, i mean karens
You will probably review raped and/or get demands for everything refunded because they are dumb for shipping $1k+ plants.

Still not a bad idea anons, if done right.

[Anonymous No.58272906]

I’m about to be filthy rich because of my APU coin, I don’t really care about reptiles, bugs, plants, fish, or dogs, but where can I find some exotic cats. Basically what’s a good site for exotic cats. Also how would I go about obtaining a tiger.

[Anonymous No.58272927]

>>58257123
real short energy you throwing around blue eyes btw stay upset -0 networth still mog u :^)

[Anonymous No.58273066]

>>58268512
lol no, my cousin does