Ledger vs Trezor

[Anonymous No.57720140]

Anons, which hardware wallet should I go for?
I've invested a several months worth of money into crypto and Metamask doesn't seem such a great idea anymore.

[sage No.57720150]

>>57720140
Just run bitcoin core on a single-purpose computer

[Anonymous No.57720155]

>>57720140
>Anons, which hardware wallet should I go for?
Neither you retarded consoomer

[Anonymous No.57720185]

>>57720150
I hold minimal BTC, not worth it with the amount of money I'm able to throw at crypto.
>>57720155
:(

[Anonymous No.57720195]

>>57720140

Trezor seems better of the two anon.

[Anonymous No.57720228]

>>57720140
Just bought a Trezor Safe 3 today.
>better security than Ledgcuck
>open source code
>cheaper ($79)
>no backstabbing devs that can just decide to upgrade your device remotely with an option to store somewhere else your fucking seed phrase, thereby creating a gigantic security risk
Trezor is the obvious winner.

[Anonymous No.57720279]

>>57720195
>>57720228
It indeed seems so

[Anonymous No.57720360]

Anyone still buying ledger is a fucking retarded faggot nigger and deserves getting drained by a french cock

[Anonymous No.57720371]

>>57720360
honhonhonhon le ledgér

[Anonymous No.57720395]

can I use trezor with a phone? Thinking of buying a new iphone to only use to store crypto + trezor

[Anonymous No.57720409]

Do americans really deposit their meme coins on fragile hardware?

[Anonymous No.57720439]

>>57720140
Trezor Suite on macos is broken and can't update firmware anymore.

[Anonymous No.57720450]

>>57720409
Not an American but desu I would rather trust hardware than some downloadable wallet

[Anonymous No.57720462]

>>57720439
>not French
>gatekeeps iToddlers
Trezor it is.

[Anonymous No.57720465]

>>57720395
Look up Airgap if you look for a phone hardware wallet, its sponsored by Trezor among others

[Anonymous No.57721155]

I got both for fun but I like the trezor more.

[Anonymous No.57721200]

https://bitcoinist.com/ledger-expose-bitcoins-private-keys-subpoena/

lol

[Anonymous No.57721350]

>>57721200
there's no reason to use ledger. the company just killed itself.

[Anonymous No.57721353]

>>57720140
I moved majority of my holdings from ledger to trezor. Trezor is hands down better in every way and they don’t try to back door your ass in the future. Also u can swap cryptos directly on trezor suite. It’s awesome.

[Anonymous No.57721372]

>>57720140
Ledger is such a cool company, the company has access to your keys. They even have an FBI backdoor for free! How nice of them

[Anonymous No.57721405]

> Trezor good. Ledger bad.

This but unironically

[Anonymous No.57721433]

>>57720140
Trezor all the way i hold all my btc, eth and agrs bags there. I wouldn't trust 50k to a flimsy extension wallet

[Anonymous No.57721444]

>>57720409
The memecoins are stored on-chain, mongrel.

[Anonymous No.57721461]

This is unfortunately the most important thread for any anon visiting /biz/ to see in the last 18 months.

I didn't own enough for it to matter but I will soon and 3 letter agencies can tonge sub-saharan unwashed anus.
Trevor it is.

[Anonymous No.57721465]

>trusting yuropoors with hardware with known backdoors
trezor all the way

[Anonymous No.57721474]

>>57721444
I use Tangem

[Anonymous No.57721486]

>>57721461
Fuck you autocorrect
*tongue

[Anonymous No.57721501]

>>57721461
usb stick with tails os is still more safe than both

[Anonymous No.57721527]

I own a ledger and they got their customer data leaked, with my info on there. They store your transaction and IP data through ledger live for 5 years, and now their new pass phrase sharding service has exposed that they went back on their promise that the seedphrase can never be seen by the computer.

Don't be a retard like me, stay open source at the minimum.

[Anonymous No.57721533]

Tremors are not only safer, but they’re durable enough to safely store up your ass.

[Anonymous No.57721544]

>>57721533
This

[Anonymous No.57721565]

>>57721527

This is why I'd rather just buy the device from Amazon. I'll never have to worry about my data being leaked.

Trezor also had customer data leaked.

[Anonymous No.57721567]

>>57721501
False. You require a trusted computer for a live disk to be secure at all, that's the advantage of a hardware wallet, it's a dedicated secure device for keys and signing

[Anonymous No.57721568]

>>57721533
>tremors
Whatever

[Anonymous No.57721578]

>>57721527
>we only store your sensitive information for 5 years goyim. After the 5 year mark we delete it all, pinky swear.

Why settle for less when you don't have to? Buy a trezor or some similar open source wallet. End of story.

[Anonymous No.57721602]

>>57721578
you are a fool you think you own your bitcoin lol you know nothing the ledger is the best place to store your bitcoin you idiot fool why would you want an expensive and useless device like from trezor when you can trust your bitcoin to the almighty ledger did you not read the tos you own your bitcoin bro ledger doesn't even store it the bitcoin is stored on the blockchain you dummy fool how's that for sarcasm

[Anonymous No.57721646]

>>57721602
Good morning sir. How was last night's cow urine? Good I hoping sir.

[Anonymous No.57721865]

>>57720140
>have a rather retarded amount of money on the exchange
>suck it up and finally buy a trezor
>still in the box, just sits in a drawer
>can't get over the anxiety of what if I lose it or what if it breaks or something
>leave everything on the exchange
>can't get over the anxiety of what if they get gox'd, what if I get compromised, what if the feds seize it
It never ends

[Anonymous No.57721890]

>>57721865
Dumbfuck, buy a fucking metal stamp set and pound your seed phrase into a stainless steel sheet and bury it. Not difficult, retard

[Anonymous No.57721900]

Trezors allow you to lock your bitcoin. I locked mine at 52k, whew.

[Anonymous No.57721910]

>>57720140

Guys, look at airdrop, I just got 100 tokens

https://mantledao.top

[Anonymous No.57721930]

>>57721865
>can't get over the anxiety of what if I lose it or what if it breaks or something
retard believes his coins are in the trezor. kek anon, you can lose your device and still access your coins, the same way you can lose your computer and still access your emails. your emails are stored in a cloud not in your computer. your coins are stored on the blockchain, not on your device. what you really need to save is your seed phrase. go buy that trezor now.

[Anonymous No.57721933]

>>57720140
both

[Anonymous No.57721956]

>>57721890
I have an engraver and I used to do sneeds this way but it never makes sense to do this in 20current year because at some point I want to spend my coins. Now I have a problem of passing my words rawdog on a connected device.
If I had a metal backup and buy a totally new trezor, can I just import my wallet to it securely? That would help me get over the what if

[Anonymous No.57721958]

What is this 2019? Get a Grid Plus dumbass it's the best hardware wallet that currently exists

[Anonymous No.57721986]

>>57721890
>buy a fucking metal stamp set and pound your seed phrase into a stainless steel sheet and bury it
kind of a bad idea if you dont own a property. if someone gets hold of it they can steal your coins. the easiest way to store your seed phrase is in a veracrypt volume and save it on different usb keys. you can hide the passphrase of the encrypted file at several places.

[Anonymous No.57721995]

Retards maaah ledger maaah ledger. If you use ledger recovery youre a fucking retard other than that it's fine.

[Anonymous No.57722002]

Is the model T worth the extra price

[Anonymous No.57722025]

>>57721995
chuds believe ledger will steal their coin but in reality that recovery feature will save many retards from permanently losing their coins
>>57721956
>If I had a metal backup and buy a totally new trezor, can I just import my wallet to it securely?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHKxctiaSPQ

[Anonymous No.57722026]

>>57721930
Then what's the point of a trezor? Wouldn't it be just as secure to buy a phone, make a metamask wallet on it, do all your buying and selling from a different wallet on a different PC / phone, and periodically send everything you want to hold long term to the wallet on the phone you don't use?

[Anonymous No.57722089]

>>57722026
>Wouldn't it be just as secure [...]
no. it's the midwit meme: low IQ: trezor good. midwit: akshually... high IQ: trezor good.

[Anonymous No.57722090]

>>57722025
I guess this changes my mind a bit
How much do I need to worry about local security with it? Ie, would it protect me even if I pluggd it into an infected AIDS tier pc?

[Anonymous No.57722098]

How does cashing out work exactly with a hardware wallet? I have a feeling if I deposit 5 BTC to an exchange in order to sell, the exchange will just (((freeze))) my account

[Anonymous No.57722120]

LOLing at niggas not locking their BTC w/ a Trezor
I have mine locked at $67k and my ETH locked at $3800
feels good man

[Anonymous No.57722121]

>>57722098
They don't freeze it in the sense that you can't cash out, but today exchanges will absolutely freeze you from withdrawing crypto following certain flagging events to include large transfers in of crypto or fiat. It happened to me after depositing a mere 8 eth. But they will let you sell it for fiat and send it through the banking system. The process if you get flagged is incredibly gay and intrusive.

[Anonymous No.57722131]

>>57722098
how tf am i supposed to cash out my 5 btc on ledger when ledger don't got the liquidity this dude has it all wrong he gotta come to wcdonalds get himself a giga pump get rich quick burger maybe some wcdonalds secret menu fries pay in wcdonalds token (ticker wcd) i got stacks of liquidity to sell my btc no problem i even sell cash advances if you need some extra fiat for drugs come to wcdonalds free money fries and a lambo get rich quick bro

[Anonymous No.57722135]

>>57722090
>would it protect me even if I pluggd it into an infected AIDS tier pc?
yes, that's the whole point of a hardware wallet, you can use it on an infected computer

[Anonymous No.57722142]

>>57721465
Trezor is a czech company, so you're still trusting your european masters.

[Anonymous No.57722161]

>>57721565
>Trezor also had customer data leaked.
Trezor had some data on some of their customers leaked (names, emails) because the third party they trusted with that data was hacked, but nothing more. No private keys were ever in danger. Ledger, on the other hand...

[Anonymous No.57722173]

>>57721602
>expensive
Model one is $59. Trezor Safe 3 is $79.

>useless device like from trezor
If a Trezor is useless, so is a Ledger (which does the same thing but is less safe).

[Anonymous No.57722191]

>>57721865
>what if I lose it or what if it breaks or something
As long as you have your seed phrase, you can just use another device if your trezor breaks.

[Anonymous No.57722192]

>>57721865
you need to be at leas 12 years old to browse here lad

[Anonymous No.57722237]

>>57722192
Two hundred thirty six thousand united states greenbacks
>>57722135
I guess I'll move it over. I've been sitting on this trezor for 3 months, I mean it's still in the mailing envelope.

[Anonymous No.57722265]

>>57720228
This. Listen to wise Anon. Trezor is solid!

[Anonymous No.57722305]

>>57722237
even if your computer is giga hacked you'll always have to confirm the transaction on your device, double checking the address you'll send the funds to. the private key in the trezor will never be accessed

[Anonymous No.57722328]

if you don't want bitcoin only and you want a crypto specific device your only options are trezor, ledger or bitbox2, in that order (bitbox1 had many amateur flaws). everything else is bitcoin only, made by the chinese, or a bad attempt at securing something insecure by design like android.

>>57720228
>>57721578
don't confuse open source hardware with auditable hardware. in reality the hardware you get can be intercepted, compromised or modified and you would never be able to tell without de-capping and scanning it destroying it in the process.
>>57720465
no reason to use it over a hardware wallet and less secure than a computer without networking capabilities. only makes sense for people holding small amounts of assets no hardware wallet supports.
>>57721465
any cryptocurrency specific device made by mutts or chinks is a non-starter, leaving only devices made in europe using generic components or secure components manufactured or personalized within europe. there's very little choice in the cryptocurrency hardware market.
>>57721501
not if that computer is used for anything else or is ever going to be re-connected to the network once keys have been on it.
>>57721527
same problems with trezor. there are ways to get devices shipped anonymously, and ways to use/upgrade them anonymously but by default they are all data collection devices with the exception of a few bitcoin only ones.
>>57721865
the device is for signing, it's never the only place your keys exist outside of very specific multisig scenarios.
>>57721958
untrusted (ico scam company pivoted to making a hardware wallet), closed source, network connected and a broken paradigm (one device for multiple smartcard "seeds") to boot.
>>57721986
if you're going to encrypted it skip the usb keys and just print out qr codes of the encrypted data and store those instead.
>>57722002
model t and model one are fundamentally broken devices. the only trezor that's secure enough to use is the safe 3, the new one.

[Anonymous No.57722372]

>>57722328
>there are ways to get devices shipped anonymously
how would you do it?

[Anonymous No.57722393]

>>57720140

What's even the point of these things if they don't support a ton of crypto on their native software? Like why can't their software be more like Exodus wallet?

[Anonymous No.57722453]

>>57722393
>Like why can't their software be more like Exodus wallet?
tf are you talking about? they support even more coins than exodus

[Anonymous No.57722496]

>>57722026
they exist to use keys securely not as a primary storage device. the only storage advantage is for travel, taking keys with you on a device protected by a pin is better than taking the seed with you. phones are not as secure, no.
>>57722173
some models of trezor like the one and t are useless and should be avoided. currently they only make one viable model.
>>57722161
had no leaks of key material nor is there any evidence they ever had. their backup "feature" is no more a risk than your hardware wallet accidentally leaking your keys in the first place. the whole thing was overblown by midwits that don't actually understand how all commodity cryptocurrency devices rely entirely on trust.
>>57722372
ship to your office, ship to a hotel or vacation destination. you can ship to an amazon locker but i don't know if those exist outside of north america.
>>57722393
it's very difficult to find alts that aren't worthless that also aren't supported by at least ledger.

[Anonymous No.57722499]

>>57722328
>model t and model one are fundamentally broken devices. the only trezor that's secure enough to use is the safe 3, the new one.
Really?
Isnt the 1 battle tested? I was gonna buy the 1
So why?

[Anonymous No.57722602]

>>57722499
the one and t rely entirely on you setting a strong passphrase, one that's very annoying to enter every time you plug the device in. without it someone that has physical access can within a few minutes extract your keys.
there's no reason to ever buy the one or the t since the safe 3 came out, and trezor will stop selling the one shortly.

[Anonymous No.57722612]

>>57722499
>Isnt the 1 battle tested? I was gonna buy the 1
it can be hacked like this but only a high level hacker could do it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT9y-KQbqi4

[Anonymous No.57722617]

>>57722602
Thanks i look into it more

[Anonymous No.57722764]

>>57720140
For me it's the Trezor ONE.
>easy to read screen
>can enter secret phrase directly on the device
>company hasn't leaked customer base info
>support for XMR wallets

Before that I was using 12 words written on a scrap of paper for like 5 years. Scary shit man. I had the watching address to make sure it was still there but the day I put the private keys back on a computer to transfer to the new hardware wallet I was sweating bullets to see if it would come up correctly. In the end it did but the hardware wallet is just so much more secure FEELING, on top of being actually more secure.

And if anyone steals it? Lol good luck getting the crypto off it. You got three tries before it self-wipes. I'll just order another one.

[Anonymous No.57722795]

>>57722764
trezor one doesn't support monero?

[Anonymous No.57723051]

Get both. Spread the risk.

[Anonymous No.57723056]

>>57722795
Yes, it does.

[Anonymous No.57723086]

>>57720140
I keep everything on the exchanges.
Good so far.

[Anonymous No.57723488]

>>57720140
I keep my real bags on a trezor but the upcoming bull market is making me want to bite the bullet and get a ledger just so I can get FIL and INJ etc.

[Anonymous No.57723586]

>>57720150
/thread

[Anonymous No.57723849]

>>57722496
>some models of trezor like the one and t are useless and should be avoided. currently they only make one viable model.
explain.

I bought ledger because the first models of trezor were exploitable.

then legdger leak happend. then ledger private key cloud happend. then ledger live tracking happend.

now I'm in the market for a new wallet and close to buying trezor this time.

[Anonymous No.57724269]

Ended up buying a Trezor 3 because I don't want to keep the bulk of my crypto on a software wallet (exodus).

[Anonymous No.57724280]

Trezor seems to be the winner. Anyone heard of safepal? Wondering abt it.

[Anonymous No.57724292]

>>57723488
safepal seems to support those coins, lets hope they delete customer order data unlike others. Trezor for sure does.

[Anonymous No.57724494]

>>57723849
a device without secure silicon shouldn't be storing keys, only using them then forgetting them when you unplug.
trezor one and t store seeds on normal chips, trezor safe 3 has a secure chip like nearly every other wallet and doesn't have the same problem.

[Anonymous No.57724706]

>>57724494
thanks kind stranger. here is your gold.

[Anonymous No.57725001]

>T
>ONE
>3
I fucking hate that Trezor uses video game sequel numbering. Or I guess console numbering.

Still like Trezor for everything other than that.

[Anonymous No.57725078]

>>57725001
they're all terrible names, "one", "t", "safe 3", "nano", "nano s", "nano x", "nano s+".

[Anonymous No.57725112]

>>57724494
Not a meaningful threat. If your hardware wallet were stolen you'd transfer to a new address anyway, it's non trivial to extract so you'd have time

[Anonymous No.57725126]

>>57725112
>it's non trivial to extract so you'd have time
>>57722602

[Anonymous No.57725170]

Ledger's hardware is more tamperproof.
If someone skilled gets a hold of your Trezor, you'll lose your coins. With a Ledger, that's a lot less likely.

On the other hand, Ledger's software is borderline evil.
You're expected to use "Ledger Live" to access your hardware wallet, update its firmware, change the apps etc.
If Ledger didn't suck, they'd have kept that clean and streamlined since it's essential software for your device.

But instead, they overloaded it with bullshit integrations with scammy partners. So you can buy, sell, trade, and swap coins super easily from Ledger Live, allegedly. Unfortunately, many Ledger users end up getting screwed by the Ledger's business partners, that were obviously picked for how much money they'd give Ledger rather than any level of quality/integrity.
Best case, Ledger users get raped by fees and spread.
Worst case, their funds get "stuck" with one of those partners.

Don't let that stop you though. Ledger devices are technically sound. If you have the mental fortitude to be able to use Ledger Live without touching any of their shitty, terrible, self-defeating partner integrations, it's not the worst choice you could make.

[Anonymous No.57725240]

>>57725170
if you know what you're doing you can manage firmware and apps without ledger live, but it still needs a direct connection to ledger since it requires commands for installing firmware or apps be signed by ledger's certificate.

[Anonymous No.57725245]

>>57720150
some of us like making money not spending it on fees

[Anonymous No.57725386]

>>57720140
my brother is an eth millionaire so he is always buying me crypto related shit for christmas. i only have like 10k in btc and eth. he got me a ledger one christmas. it's still in the box. should i even bother fucking with it? i just have two coinbase accounts that i haven't checked in probably two years.

[Anonymous No.57725510]

>>57722496
>their backup "feature" is no more a risk than your hardware wallet accidentally leaking your keys
Except that a hw can't "accidentally leak your keys" (the fuck does that even mean?) while ledger broke their word and the trust of their customers by adding a feature that MASSIVELY decreased their security by allowing malicious actors to request somebody else's private keys as if it was a goddamn reset email function. Not the same fucking thing at all.

Add to that that ledger's code is not open source, so they could've already planted other ways to remotely change their software and you would never know it, and it's obvious that ledger is a dead company. The midwit here is you. Are you really too stupid to see the problem or do you work at ledger?

[Anonymous No.57725516]

>>57722496
>all commodity cryptocurrency devices rely entirely on trust.
Explain how the Ngrave Zero, for example, relies on trust. It's entirely airgapped, impossible to connect with remotely, and doesn't even come with private keys already inside from the factory, it randomly generates them when it's activated for the first time, so even the producer can't know them (also, open source code, so no backdoors).

[Anonymous No.57725520]

>>57722393
I looked on the Trezor website and they support even shit like AVI and STBU.

They support PEPE and HPOS10, for fuck's sake!

[Anonymous No.57725526]

>>57725510
bugs or misimplementations in ecdsa can leak keys, and their "feature" changed nothing about the security model only made some clueless people realize all hardware wallets have identical trust issues with manufacturers.

[Anonymous No.57725537]

>>57725516
hardware someone else designed and built is entirely trust based, hardware backdoors and faults are nearly entirely undetectable, ngrave is used by basically no one also so you're not getting any advantage of other people discovering rare issues first.
"airgapping" does nothing to protect you against malicious hardware and is only a benefit for truly trustless devices none of which are hardware wallets.

[Anonymous No.57725540]

>>57722496
>some models of trezor like the one and t are useless
Just because they're vulnerable to a physical attack where their chip gets overrun with too much voltage, doesn't make them useless. They're still perfectly safe from REMOTE attacks. The only risk with those models is that somebody steals your physical device, opens it and knows how to hack it. Very unlikely. (The Safe 3 model solved this issue anyway).

>>57722328
>the hardware you get can be intercepted, compromised or modified
That sounds a bit paranoid, but a compromised chinese manufacturer who decided to alter their chips so they could steal everything held by the hard wallets they produce is a horrifying thought. Imagine the crash.

[Anonymous No.57725550]

>>57722602
>can within a few minutes extract your keys
It took even that professional hacker guy who hacked a Trezor One over 3 hours to hack it. And it wasn't exactly a simple process. You're not really risking that your roommate or girlfriend steals your coins if they find your trezor one lying around, but I agree that it's an unnecessary risk and you should buy only the Safe 3.

[Anonymous No.57725557]

>>57725540
the old inferior trezor's vulnerabilities are not based on glitching whatsoever, they're based on using the wrong tool for the job (genetic silicon for storing secrets at rest).

there is no trustless hardware wallet no matter how many gimmicks you add to it or how much of the code is open source. if you didn't build it from generally sourced components yourself you are entirely trusting the company that designed it (and the company that built it if they differ).

its not paranoia when you're storing the money i am.

[Anonymous No.57725558]

>>57723086
Provided it's Coinbase, the only exchange both legally compliant, transparent and insured (if they get hacked, you get your money back up to $250k). Other exchanges are not safe at all. Look at FTX.

[Anonymous No.57725565]

>>57723488
?
INJ is supported by Trezor.

[Anonymous No.57725583]

>>57725537
>truly trustless devices
What would fall in this category?

[Anonymous No.57725589]

>>57725557
>its not paranoia when you're storing the money i am.
I can store it for you if you send it to me.

[Anonymous No.57725591]

>>57725558
You don't get your "money" back if they get hacked. They claim to "insure" (whatever that means) your FIAT, so your USD/EUR.
No liability is taken for USDT/BTC etc. And why exactly would you park your $ in dollars on coinbase instead of your bank?

[Anonymous No.57725610]

>>57725591
>No liability is taken for USDT/BTC
There is no way that's true, they explicitly say that if you lose your crypto due to a hack (that is their fault and not yours, so if you get sim swapped or hit with a keylogger it's on you), then they reimburse you.

[Anonymous No.57725660]

>>57725550
because he had never seen a device before. break one and you can build a jig to break all of them within a minute or two with most of the time spent removing the case. there's a reason trezor dumped their misguided "open source hardware" model for the third model.
>>57725583
the closest are general purpose devices unrelated to cryptocurrency that are bought, isolated, validated, used, then destroyed. there was a wired article from the 2017 cycle that explained how coinbase managed key generation.
>>57725610
fiat value. no insurer is going to guarantee the underlying, only the value at the time of impact up to a maximum.

[Anonymous No.57725691]

>>57725660
>the value at the time of impact
Yeah, that's what I figured. If they steal 10k LINK they're not gonna give you back 10k LINK but only the fiat value they had when they were hacked (so about $200, probably).

>>57725660
>general purpose devices unrelated to cryptocurrency that are bought, isolated, validated, used, then destroyed
That's good for a huge crypto company like CB, but it'd be a bit cumbersome for retail users. What's the best option for them?

>>>57725660
>you can build a jig to break all of them within a minute or two
Well, shit, hadn't considered that. Somebody could actually build a hacking operation by telling nogs to bring them whatever hw they find during their robberies and he'll give them half the crypto he manages to find.

[Anonymous No.57725710]

>>57720140
Go for the ones supporting account abstraction for better security, Faggot. Like Brillion, Patch wallet, 0xgass, Holdstations, just to name a few.

[Anonymous No.57725712]

>>57725691
there's only one best option and it's for everyone.
if you want a worse approximation but still better than anything else it's multisig with 3+ different hardware wallet brands.

its the problem with commodity devices that are one size fits all, they can't afford the vulnerabilities the original trezor's have because however long it takes to find them first every time after that is immediate, forever.

[Anonymous No.57725741]

>>57720195
I'd rather roll with the Alliance Block official smart wallet for peace of mind, Anon. It's got asset recovery and compliance solutions.

[Anonymous No.57725753]

>>57725741
>It's got asset recovery
Any asset recovery procedure is a massive security liability.

>>57725712
>multisig with 3+ different hardware wallet brands
I hope my $100k is safe with a humble Trezor Safe 3, because other solutions sound too labor intensive.

[Anonymous No.57725761]

>>57725558
I'll pick DUA smart wallet any day. They let Anons freeze compromised accounts and demand 2FA for transactions over $50.

[Anonymous No.57725833]

>>57720140
>usb
>internet connection
>secure
>jp morgan metamask
the absolute state of /biz/tards