/XMR/ Monero General

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/XMR/ Monero General Anonymous Sat Dec 16 17:37:42 2023 No.57001516 [Reply] [Original]

Welcome to the Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's leading decentralized P2P privacy cryptocurrency!

Monero is secure, low-fee, and fungible, meaning users can send XMR around the globe despite corrupt governments or broken financial systems. Innovative privacy features such as Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses, and Ring CT ensure that Monero's blockchain is obfuscated -- In other words, the financial history of all Monero users is encrypted from the prying eyes of adversaries on a public blockchain, with transactions being visible only by a user willingly providing a view key.

Monero has also improved upon the scaling downsides of current popular cryptocurrencies. To avoid high fees, dynamic block size ensures that the size of the blocks will increase as the amount of transactions increases. Further, the mining network algorithm RandomX establishes that anybody with a CPU can participate in mining, preventing the ASIC miner domination that creates a high barrier to entry. Lastly, the mining network will be preserved by Tail Emission -- instead of the block reward falling to zero like with Bitcoin, the block reward gradually approached 0.6 XMR in June 2022, where it will forever stay. This constant linear inflation means the inflation rate will asymptotically go to zero while continuing to provide an incentive to miners to maintain the network.

If you still have questions, feel free to ask and a MoneroChad will be with you shortly.

XMR Redpill: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wq6w03E2DS4

XMR Stats: moneroj.net

USE Monero: https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/

OFFICIAL WEBSITE - getmonero.org

WHERE TO GET MONERO?

>KYC:
Kraken
Binance
Bitfinex

>Non KYC:
LocalMonero
Morphtoken
Bisq
Tradeogre
Crypto ATMs
see: kycnot.me

>Mining
archive.is/TWOah

HOW TO STORE MONERO?

>Desktop
Official Gui/Cli
Feather

>Mobile
IOS: Cakewallet
Android: Monerujo

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 17:40:13 2023 No.57001544 File: 577 KB, 1298x900, 162614854231641471.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] PREVIOUS THREAD: >>56976962

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 17:43:22 2023 No.57001566
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START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL
START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL

P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.

>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!

OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 17:44:24 2023 No.57001577
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*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****

Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.

>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org

>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable

>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin

>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD

>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail

>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug

>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero

>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill

>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill

>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill

>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 17:45:31 2023 No.57001591
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Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/services

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/

>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Monero-only darknet escrow service
https://pastebin.com/raw/7DW8hSgk

>Win XMR!
https://monero.win/

Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Alias Market #
>Archetyp
>Asur Market
>Calypso #
>Candy Haven #
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>DrugHub #
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Hectate Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Smackers
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
>Tribe Seuss
>Wizard's Palace #
>World Trade Center #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/fknwLx6q

>LocalMonero is now available on I2P
http://lm.i2p/nojs/

Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/75mVpfED

or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/

>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 17:46:34 2023 No.57001598
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START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE

>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.

>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!

>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.

>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd-android/releases/latest

Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/latest

The console is accessed via http://127.0.0.1:7070/ or the menu in Android.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 17:47:44 2023 No.57001611
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>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total BTC = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings BTC would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per BTC and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit Sat Dec 16 18:35:57 2023 No.57002057
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Reporting in
##################################
IRC - https://pastebin.com/kP1gZ1Hk
Education - https://pastebin.com/V0SFR8qU
Mining - https://pastebin.com/Rd1V8P5L
Nodes - https://pastebin.com/j6Vv2Xn6

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:29:32 2023 No.57003035 File: 1.26 MB, 1256x1628, xps5pwu8q6s71.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:48:01 2023 No.57003176 >>57001516 Why is XMR general archiving so quickly the past few days?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:48:34 2023 No.57003182 File: 180 KB, 1024x1024, OIG.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] why does this shit never pump

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:49:17 2023 No.57003190
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>>57001516
Never posted on this board before, I don't give a shit about crypto, but this was a captcha I got on /v/ while shit posting and thought someone here would get a kick out of it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:54:34 2023 No.57003242 >>57003190 >it's on Bullish

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:55:07 2023 No.57003246 >>57003182 XMR is a stablecoin with a 1:1 peg to an 8-ball of coke

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:57:00 2023 No.57003261 >>57003176 it's saturday also the fact of crypto losing popularity and mainstream recognition or something like that isn't helping

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:58:56 2023 No.57003274 >>57003246 We need to come together as a community and focus on pumping the price of coke

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 21:27:31 2023 No.57003549 >>57003176 because there are many threads being created lately, most of them spam.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 21:43:12 2023 No.57003646 >>57003176 Bunch of people bailed these threads, tired of OP reeing at them for not sticking to his faggoty react images, Bitcoin ankle-biting, and insistence on no price discussion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 21:44:56 2023 No.57003657 >>57003176 Also the thread bump bot is offline.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 22:03:25 2023 No.57003809 Umm what is the cheapest way to swap bitfuck for monerara? I tried exodus and its a $50 fee

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 22:15:44 2023 No.57003917 File: 966 KB, 200x150, 1639250112656.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57001516 >BTC tx fees up to nearly 30$

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 22:38:57 2023 No.57004093
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>>57003646
>Bunch of people bailed these threads, tired of OP reeing at them for not sticking to his faggoty react images, Bitcoin ankle-biting, and insistence on no price discussion.

Oh, how I've missed you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 22:40:12 2023 No.57004102 >>57003809 Try Trocador.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 22:41:23 2023 No.57004112 File: 84 KB, 1141x725, lolbtc.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57003917 >>BTC tx fees up to nearly 30$ Everything is working exactly as intended.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 22:42:09 2023 No.57004116 >>57004112 You're gonna have to delete the "No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked" section from >>57001611

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 22:49:55 2023 No.57004166 are we banned from everywhere or not yet?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 22:58:50 2023 No.57004229 >>57004116 Why?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 23:07:06 2023 No.57004309 File: 927 KB, 250x230, 1666458899334597.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57004229 >Why? Because the insane TX fees will "save" Bitcoin or something.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 00:31:48 2023 No.57004899 >>57004309 You're either paying for network security through fees or through inflation. Turns out a fee model works.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 02:29:48 2023 No.57005686

>>57004899
>>57004116
>>57003657
>>57003646
What are the odds that Monero will be valuable in a couple of years? I'm kinda divided on the privacy feature. In some sense it's more like the traditional system:

1. Can't really audit the supply
2. Can't tell where the money is going

That's pretty much central banking with the difference that the inflation is controlled. Why would institutions adopt it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 02:35:16 2023 No.57005713 >>57005686 As has been explained 100 times you can audit the supply, its PoW so nothing like central banking, and it serves an important market so has value. I just don't buy the cope that Bitcoin will go to zero. They both have their purposes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 04:28:55 2023 No.57006392 FeatherWallet or the official CLI? I have a model T and I'm looking to GTFO ASAP from Exodus since my XMR is still intact

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 05:08:23 2023 No.57006571

I don't want to be negative but it feels like we already in a brave new world, everything is surveiled, you can't even run to the woods because its someone else private property and i don't even know whats the concept of freedom all i know is everything around me is just a microphone and not even a glowie would watch me its probably just ai

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 06:10:22 2023 No.57006832 So, I'm trying to get Monero by sending BTC through fixedfloat. It's been 5 hours and my BTC transaction is still not confirmed... What do?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 06:28:51 2023 No.57006904 >>57004899 >Turns out a fee model works. Does it though?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 06:32:36 2023 No.57006915 >>57005686 Don't buy Monero, its a terrible investment. Buy and hold Bitcoin instead, be sure to NEVER spend it if you want it to hit $100K.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 06:38:28 2023 No.57006943 >>57005713 >They both have their purposes Indeed, Monero's purpose is to service the needs of a growing shadow economy while Bitcoin's purpose is to cost $50 per TX. $100K EOY.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 07:54:04 2023 No.57007255

so i can't download tails directly: https://download.tails.net/tails/stable/tails-amd64-5.20/tails-amd64-5.20.img as it says: redigo: nil returned

and the torrent doesn't work either. do i just try again in a few days? never had this happen before, so weird torrent isn't downloading either

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 10:13:13 2023 No.57007675 dead general for a dead shitcoin

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 11:36:51 2023 No.57008003 File: 111 KB, 1004x984, 1702122661773254.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is it just me or do monerochads buy stuff on monero market just because they can pay with Monero?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 12:15:50 2023 No.57008154 >>57004116 >You're gonna have to delete the "No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked" section You're gonna have to go fuck yourself because monerochan is redpilling normies while your Tether padded bitshit bags are heavy. Heil Monerochan!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 12:16:51 2023 No.57008160 >>57004899 >Turns out a fee model works. Just like covid vaccine works.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 12:25:49 2023 No.57008194

>>57005686
>2. Can't tell where the money is going

The difference here is no one can tell where the money is going except the people apart of the transaction. There's no special organization like FINCEN in your wallet tracking your moneromarket purchases

>>	veil-project Sun Dec 17 12:41:37 2023 No.57008246 File: 468 KB, 512x360, IMG_2979.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57004899 >current fees >it works depends what you mean by “works” as it seems to be enriching massive mining farms while making bitcoin nearly unusable as a currency

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 12:46:44 2023 No.57008273 File: 1.90 MB, 1000x1500, 1628951232105.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57001516 What's Monero? Is this something I'm too WHACKD to understand?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 12:57:32 2023 No.57008327 >>57008273 >What's Monero? Is this something I'm too WHACKD to understand? Yes, you're likely too retarded to understand Monero

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 13:07:45 2023 No.57008380 Is anyone using this for mining? https://gupax.io/

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 13:26:59 2023 No.57008481 File: 43 KB, 388x425, 1699200544186988.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How can I convince my local escorts to use Monero instead of cash ? They just say that it is "too complicated" and "can't spend it after anyways"

veil-project Sun Dec 17 15:01:38 2023 No.57009003
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>>57008481
First you have to find one who can think beyond immediate moment, i.e., comfortable with delayed gratification OR a junkie with a dealer who accepts xmr (but this presents an extreme moral trap from which your soul will never escape). Then convince said magical hooker that xmr will be able to buy her more things next week than today (or more drugs in the moment, see above).

You should convince her pimp or service instead. But you won’t.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 15:48:38 2023 No.57009367 Reminder that moonfags get the rope.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 17:22:57 2023 No.57010057

>>57006904
>>57008160
>>57008246
Per "unit" of security yes. Monero less secure than Bitcoin, having lower block subsidies + fees. Makes it great for settling small payments. But not yet secure enough to settle large amounts without a big increase in fees or price of XMR which is why I think price discussion (moonfags) is good. Need a greater price for more economic activity to settle on Monero faster. Plus price action would draw in more users, who would then be incentivized to use Monero for real economic activities.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 18:39:52 2023 No.57010608 >>57010057 What's a good device to mine Monero with even if it's not particularly efficient? Just to say I did it and be part of the cypherpunk movement. Would mining with laptop be a bad idea?

>>	veil-project Sun Dec 17 19:25:18 2023 No.57010939 >>57010057 >not secure enough for large amounts >not secure enough according to who and by what metric? iirc monero hashrate is higher than eth and eth settles trillions

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 19:40:25 2023 No.57011073
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>>57010057
Firstly, Monero is more secure than Bitcoin taking per unit of network subsidy. Monero's hashrate is greatly more expensive when compared to Bitcoin due to the latter being overrun by cheap ASICs. This results in the effect of Monero being disproportionately secure, despite having a fraction of the hashrate and the network subsidy. But you are correct in the assessment that this is not related to the funding model, but rather the hashing algorithm's efficiency.
Furthermore, inflation or high fees is a false dichotomy for Monero. It is true for Bitcoin, since there is a cap to the transactions. If transaction fees were to replace the network subsidy, there is only a set amount of spots available to meet the demand. Now that is not a problem for Monero since block sizes can expand if the people so demand. Monero can have a higher security budget without inflation and without high fees. But Bitcoin has to choose between one.
>Need a greater price for more economic activity to settle on Monero faster. Plus price action would draw in more users, who would then be incentivized to use Monero for real economic activities.
Completely backwards. Market usage drives up the price, not speculation. This is false nu-maxi narrative since Bitcoin's price action has been overrun by speculation. What Monero needs is better utility, and that is happening. On-chain utility factors will improve with the introduction of Seraphis, and off-chain utility factors will explode 2024 with atomic swaps, DEXes, new wallets, node software, mining software and an overall better infrastructure to lean on. Monero's ecosystem and on-chain capacities will continue to improve with a mere 432 XMR per day getting mined and a bellow 1% yearly inflation. This is the orange-pill.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 19:49:25 2023 No.57011174

>>57010939
>>57011073
Hash rate is relative between blockchains given they use different algos/hardware. Eth doesn't even compare anymore because it's proof of stake which is inherently centralized.
I measure security as miner revenue (https://archive.is/u4Axq).). If miners are making $75k/day and someone wants to move $10 million worth of coins, there's a lot more incentive for them (or the feds) to attack the blockchain than if miners are making $50 million a day. The higher the miner profits from legitimately securing the chain, the more they are incentivized to legitimately secure the chain. Increasing the price of Monero would increase miner profits from tail emission (and probably indirectly from fees due to increased hype/network activity).

And I get that hardware should (probably) scale faster than demand for Monero's blockspace, so the dynamic blocksize model/low fees should work fine, provided the price of Monero grows enough for miner revenues to exceed the amount of value being transacted on chain.

And it depends, more people using Monero (higher velocity) would make the price more stable, but doesn't necessarily increase the price if flows are just USD->XMR->USD. You need people staying in Monero, saving in it, which is roughly equivalent to speculation (freezing circulating supply). And price driving activity isn't backwards. More use of XMR drives up price, increasing hype, drawing in a greater userbase, causing more use of XMR. Price->use and use->price can be complementary.

>>	veil-project Sun Dec 17 19:50:54 2023 No.57011186 File: 276 KB, 1700x1700, IMG_2955.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57011174 preach

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 19:52:40 2023 No.57011205
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I hate that I have to cap the max peers on my full (unpruned) node to avoid getting heemed by bandwidth charges. I have 1TB/mo but going over that costs me hundreds of dollars.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 19:53:54 2023 No.57011212 >>57011073 If you hold any Monero that you don't immediately spend (whether for a week, month, year), you are saving in Monero for that amount of time, removing it from circulation, making you equivalent to a speculator.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 19:59:22 2023 No.57011266

>>57001577
>Neocities.org
Nice website
>>57003182
Because the malware that mostly mines xmr doesn't have to pay for electricity. So hackers can sell it for whatever and still collect a tidy profit.
>>57003646
XMR is ancient tech and kids these days only know how to trade dog coins on web3 wallets
>>57004166

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 20:04:48 2023 No.57011321 >>57004166 Bitcoin and ethereum mixers are banned and immediately seized by law enforcement but Monero is not and is still allowed to be traded on US exchanges. That really tells you all you need to know. They dont care about Monero.

veil-project Sun Dec 17 20:12:11 2023 No.57011393
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>>57011212
>if you save then you are just a speculator
yes, if you don’t spend every penny of your fiat/USD the moment you get it, or if you have a savings account, you must be a speculator of USD lol. thst’s some halfwit logic man

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 20:16:02 2023 No.57011440

>>57011393
People in Argentina keep most of their money in USD because they are making a conscious bet on USD relative to the Argentine peso.
In choosing to keep your money in USD as opposed to XMR, Bitcoin, bonds, or something else, you are making a choice regarding the value of USD relative to everything else, even if you aren't making that choice consciously.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 20:29:09 2023 No.57011531 >>57008327 >he doesn't know

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 20:36:24 2023 No.57011583 >>57011266 >ancient tech Battle-tested tech FTFY

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 21:01:46 2023 No.57011787

>>57011583
Not so old either given all the hardforks to adopt upgrades. That's another advantage of the mining being CPU only and "done" aside from tail emission, you don't get the same autistic screeching from ASIC farms as, say, BTC, whenever a protocol upgrade is needed.

veil-project Sun Dec 17 21:19:07 2023 No.57011938

>>57011440
look at you backtracking on your speculation conflation bullsit. that’s not what you meant at all. why yes, when we choose to keep our earnings in usd there is a choice even when keeping it in your bank account or cash in your wallet, but that is not the same as your midwit “it’s just speculation if you don’t spend it” redditor faggotry.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 21:24:03 2023 No.57011971

>>57011583
Yeah, but the Battle is over. Almost no once cares about Monero anymore. It represents just a tiny percentage of privacy tech activity compared to BTC or ETH mixers and bridges. The long slow fade into obscurity has begun in earnest.
>>57011787
There are privacy coins that are still profitable to cpu mine for the end user or enthusiast. But xmr isn't one of them. I won't mention any names cause then they will probably end up being lied about on OP's geocities page.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 21:26:19 2023 No.57011993

>>57011938
I'm not at all, I originally said "making you equivalent to a speculator", which you've gone and twisted.
Someone holding 100 XMR because they expect it to go up and someone holding 100 XMR as their long term savings are both removing the same amount of Monero from circulation and all else being equal, are having the same price impact. The acts are functionally equivalent.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 21:29:08 2023 No.57012027

>>57001516

Hello Monero people. I am a BTC only guy but do appreciate the privacy and anonymity functions XMR offers.

My question is, with the atomic swaps available is there any real reason I should be holding XMR when not needed to transact immediately?

Also, is it possible to run a node like BTC to support the network or do I have to set up a miner. Input is appreciated, take care

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 21:33:06 2023 No.57012053 >>57011993 >>57011938 But my entire original point was that people saving in Monero is good, saving in Monero also makes the price go up and increases network security, Monero price discussion in these threads isn't a bad thing.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 21:35:12 2023 No.57012072
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>>57011971
>Almost no once cares about Monero anymore. It represents just a tiny percentage of privacy tech activity compared to BTC or ETH mixers and bridges. The long slow fade into obscurity has begun in earnest.

holy shit!

>>	veil-project Sun Dec 17 21:40:15 2023 No.57012136 File: 62 KB, 257x257, IMG_2984.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57011993 > saying equivalent to speculation is not the same as saying speculation literally kys lol

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 21:41:59 2023 No.57012154

>>57012027
You don't need to hold, but there are a lot more opportunities to actually buy things with Monero so keeping a few XMR around isn't a bad idea. You can run a node, yes. Blockchain is currently ~173GB and it REALLY wants an SSD or it'll take multiple days to sync.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 21:47:26 2023 No.57012206

>>57012136
The only real difference between saving, investing, and speculating is the level of risk, or what you save, invest, or speculate in. But saving in Monero, investing in Monero, or speculating on Monero, the risk is the same, because it's all the same thing being bought. Speculating is just a word that you're getting hung up on.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 21:56:57 2023 No.57012278 >>57012072 If as much effort was put into eliminating bot miners as is currently put into making memes and anime waifus perhaps there would be less downward price pressure and more enthusiastic adoption among the mining and investing community.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 21:58:36 2023 No.57012297 >>57012278 >waaah I got botted git gud

veil-project Sun Dec 17 22:05:10 2023 No.57012344

>>57012206
> speculating is the level of risk, or what you save, invest, or speculate in. But saving in Monero, investing in Monero, or speculating on Monero it’s all the same
it’s not the same and YOUR semantic semi-literate rhetorical bullshit is transparent. you’ve redefined “specualtion” like three different times depending on the asset you’re referring to. Just like every dipshit redditor alive, you apply the dismissive “it’s just speculation” to anything you don’t like but somehow the same definition doesn’t apply to the things you do.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 22:09:08 2023 No.57012373 >>57008003 If I have the chance to buy something with XMR I will always pay with XMR. If you're asking if I buy shit for the hell of it, yeah, sometimes I do.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 22:14:09 2023 No.57012430 >>57012154 I see a lot of vendors incorporating BTC to payment processing in meatspace, but I'm not aware of where XMR is actually used right now. Mostly dark web stuff?

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 22:20:14 2023 No.57012475

>>57012297
good at what? losing money?
>>57012344
This is /biz/. The fact that OP and his Monero minions have been so militant about discouraging price discussion makes me wonder, what in the actual fuck are they doing here? It's literally called BUSINESS AND FINANCE. Monero generals should be banned from this board immediately. Go back to your reddit safe space.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 22:21:06 2023 No.57012487 >>57012430 Not just darkweb. Any place on the clearnet where people can choose to buy with XMR instead of BTC they do.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 22:24:56 2023 No.57012524
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>>57012278
>perhaps there would be less downward price pressure

lol as if we're dealing with a rational market that isn't manipulated to high heaven

>and more enthusiastic adoption among the mining

you don't mine Monero for sick gains

>and investing community.

Fuck that. Keep Monero scary.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 22:27:00 2023 No.57012536 >>57012344 What then is the functional difference between someone saving in Monero and someone speculating on Monero?

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 22:29:39 2023 No.57012564
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Oh man I love the Tor integration with lightweight wallets these days.
>Feather uses onion nodes by default after initial sync
>Monerujo comes with a list of onion nodes to use if you have Orbot running
Meanwhile BTC maxis are tonguing Wall Street's anus about an ETF launch. It's pretty clear where Satoshi's vision lives.

>>57012536
Savers are fine with XMR crabbing or keeping pace with USD inflation. Speculators scream and cry if they aren't actively mooning.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 22:30:56 2023 No.57012573 Argument aside, I've been reading this thread >>57001286 Makes me think we should get back to the Monero is a Swiss bank account threads that used to get posted here

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 22:41:48 2023 No.57012680

>>57012564
Sure they're more annoying but that's an issue of education and shitty price action. But some XMR being removed from circulation for a period of time is the same regardless. If a saver eventually spends his Monero at a merchant who then goes and exchanges it for fiat, the end result is the same as a speculator dumping their bag for fiat. We need people staying in Monero long term whether we are calling them savers, speculators, or something else.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 22:42:34 2023 No.57012689 >>57005686 >That's pretty much central banking with the difference that the inflation is controlled. Why would institutions adopt it? Who cares about institutions? They can fuck off. I want untraceable cash, not a meme "investment".

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 22:42:35 2023 No.57012690
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>>57012475
>The fact that OP and his Monero minions have been so militant about discouraging price discussion makes me wonder, what in the actual fuck are they doing here?

Keeping the militant cypherpunk spirit alive in the face of all this opportunistic moonfaggotry.

You're dealing with extremists who genuinely don't give a fuck about pumping and instead live for making glowies seethe.

If you want an XMR Moonfag General, go make your own.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 22:49:36 2023 No.57012762

>>57012524
>you don't mine Monero for sick gains

My point exactly. Then what is its relevance to a business and finance messageboard?

>Fuck that. Keep Monero scary.

r/Monero is in the top 1% of reddit forums
My Grandma could buy Monero right now from Kraken on her cell phone. It's about as scary as a Honda Civic.

You Larpers Need To Go Back

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 22:55:55 2023 No.57012822 File: 2.58 MB, 3325x2421, compilation-min.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57012762 >Then what is its relevance to a business and finance messageboard? People do business with Monero, retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 23:07:53 2023 No.57012942 File: 1.34 MB, 2100x1028, BusinessOrPleasure.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57012822 >People do business with Monero Can confirm.

veil-project Sun Dec 17 23:13:43 2023 No.57013001
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>>57012536
functional, none, just like usd, which is like saying nothing, anything that has fluctuating is the speculation. your entire point was if you’re not spending it’s speculation. and? your entire side of this conversation is pointless. again, roll
out the word “specualtion” if you don’t like it, you use the word to dismiss and denigrate, but it’s somehow something else for assets you do like. literally kys. literally, not firguatively or colloquially. kys.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 23:20:11 2023 No.57013065

>>57012822
>Shows normie social media screenshots.

Oh wow cool! Maybe you should go share all your dumb pictures and bullshit memes on titter and plebbit, cause price doesn't matter right? Oh, is that a miner profitable? Intentionally losing money is a fucking hobby, not a business or an investment.

>>57012942
Yeah sure bro, you're shitposting on /biz/ while moving keys for cartel bros.
Using monero to get geeked out on yay isn't a business either so you're still larping.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 23:26:09 2023 No.57013133 File: 50 KB, 638x639, 1691957870133654.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57013065 This General plugs Monero-only businesses and darknet markets, nimrod.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 23:55:11 2023 No.57013457

>>57013133
So you're raking in so much profit from all this cypherpunk Monero activity that you cant even afford $12/month to host a decent wordpress site with it's own web url? You gotta use some shitty free neocities domain? Is it a privacy thing? because there is nothing private about geocities. Something is just not adding up here anon. The optics are shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 23:58:10 2023 No.57013491 >>57013457 Using neocities with a cock email is more private.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 00:19:14 2023 No.57013623 >>57013491 Still looks like some half assed hobby bullshit. Maybe you should link a myspace page in that wall of text too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 00:34:53 2023 No.57013726 >>57013623 ok moontard

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 00:37:14 2023 No.57013739 >>57005686 >Why would institutions adopt it? They wouldn't, unless those institutions are doing illegal stuff, which is where the value of monero comes in.

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 01:16:01 2023 No.57013982
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lol the moonfags are out in force today, desperately trying to shoehorn a Bitcoin-tier NGU narrative into our radical cypherpunk agenda.

Seems they still don't understand the mindset of a Monero Extremist lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 01:22:19 2023 No.57014023 >>57013982 Literally I just wanna buy things on tye markets. I really could not care for the price. I only buy some xmr when I plan on buying something

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 01:26:29 2023 No.57014042 File: 819 KB, 1536x2048, FPKZJFNXoAI8gvD.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57014023 Based Monero economy supporter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 02:09:11 2023 No.57014307 Are you broke and have only 10 bucks to invest? Then check this guide https://pastebin.com/wAxve1Fu

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 02:27:29 2023 No.57014438 >>57014042 Is this... top Opsec?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 04:31:25 2023 No.57015282 Are you broke and have only 10 bucks to invest? Then check this guide https://pastebin.com/wAxve1Fu

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 06:15:49 2023 No.57015780 File: 409 KB, 1536x2048, F1FU_vAaUAAILU4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57014438 YOLO

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 06:41:13 2023 No.57015876 Are you broke and have only 10 bucks to invest? Then check this guide https://pastebin.com/wAxve1Fu

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 07:03:52 2023 No.57015949
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>>57012430
Anyone using NowPayments can accept XMR payments and donations, among other coins.
>>57012564
I cant seem to get Monerujo's onion servers working for me with orbot. Anyone else?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 07:13:04 2023 No.57015989 Are you broke and have only 10 bucks to invest? Then check this guide https://pastebin.com/wAxve1Fu

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 07:44:41 2023 No.57016091 Are you broke and have only 10 bucks to invest? Then check this guide https://pastebin.com/wAxve1Fu

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 08:15:37 2023 No.57016203 Are you broke and have only 10 bucks to invest? Then check this guide https://pastebin.com/wAxve1Fu

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 08:19:07 2023 No.57016220 Dynamic block size = bloat = centralization eventually. XMR community is always shitting on other communities but they never seem to want to address the failings of their own coin.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 08:46:24 2023 No.57016347 Are you broke and have only 10 bucks to invest? Then check this guide https://pastebin.com/wAxve1Fu

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 09:14:36 2023 No.57016467 Are you broke and have only 10 bucks to invest? Then check this guide https://pastebin.com/wAxve1Fu

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 10:05:55 2023 No.57016704 >>57001516 Bump

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 10:12:57 2023 No.57016730 Are you broke and have only 10 bucks to invest? Then check this guide https://pastebin.com/wAxve1Fu

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 10:34:47 2023 No.57016824 >>57003190 bullish af, an unknown amount just flew over my house

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 10:37:12 2023 No.57016847 >>57008481 just offer her cash + monero first, on MyMonero phone app or something equivalently simple, then let adoption do its thing

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 10:40:04 2023 No.57016860 >>57011174 based. Anyone thinking that XMR isn't seen as a "better bitcoin" (usable for transacting, privacy, etc) by the market, and that it doesn't have holders, speculators and won't have speculative pumps & dumps is gravely mistaken.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 11:06:57 2023 No.57017003 The captcha on the request page of kycnot.me doesn't work since a long time. When it's going to get fixed? Is the site's operator too busy to suck cock?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 11:31:58 2023 No.57017109 Are you broke and have only 10 bucks to invest? Then check this guide https://pastebin.com/wAxve1Fu

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 12:00:32 2023 No.57017240 Are you broke and have only 10 bucks to invest? Then check this guide https://pastebin.com/wAxve1Fu

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 12:13:21 2023 No.57017317 >>57008481 just tell 'em you'll pay a discounted price if you are allowed to pay in xmr

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 12:33:52 2023 No.57017415 All other coins are going to be forgotten if they don't have utility. Time is on our side.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 14:40:44 2023 No.57018200 File: 859 KB, 1251x1645, Operation Boobarossa - Monero invasion of the darknet markets.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Will Monero flip Bitcoin on Coincard sales? Will the winter offensive break through?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:08:22 2023 No.57018967 >>57018200 can't wait for Stalingrad

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:09:22 2023 No.57018981
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>>57016220
>Dynamic block size = bloat = centralization eventually.

Yes, because bandwidth and storage capacities won't keep increasing over time like they have for the past 50 years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:18:46 2023 No.57019054 File: 194 KB, 231x313, 1619530308640.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57018967 >can't wait for Stalingrad Kursk will be a hoot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:54:28 2023 No.57019364 File: 328 KB, 1015x658, disprices.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57018981 Disk price improvements have been stagnating though, both for HDDs and SSDs, so remains to be seen.

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 18:21:51 2023 No.57020202

>>57016860
This isn't 2016 anymore grandpa. No one even cares about this shitcoin outside of the genx boomers who still fuck with it.

>>57012475
I am wondering why a coin that refuses to talk about increasing value or profitability is even on this board. It glows.

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 18:46:17 2023 No.57020394
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>>57019364
>Disk price improvements have been stagnating though, both for HDDs and SSDs, so remains to be seen.

Yeah, I'm not worried, there's like a dozen promising storage solutions in the pipleline, just a matter of figuring shit out.

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 18:49:57 2023 No.57020425
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>>57020202
>No one even cares about this shitcoin outside of the genx boomers who still fuck with it.

Based undercover MoneroChad. Just a tip: if your'e going to larp as a maxitard, don't go full tard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 20:55:39 2023 No.57021746 File: 223 KB, 657x631, comfy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 21:23:51 2023 No.57022059 >>57020394 >we created 20TB drives Congrats, those already exist. But this doesn't say whether the new format will be more cost effective.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 21:37:29 2023 No.57022197 File: 89 KB, 1280x720, 1641125351455.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57022059 >But this doesn't say whether the new format will be more cost effective. Let the free market do its thing. One way or another, it'll get figured out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 22:35:08 2023 No.57022686 Sorry if not completely XMR related but I believe it is somewhat: So Tether sold out to the Feds to get out of jail free? https://cryptoslate.com/tether-has-frozen-435m-usdt-for-u-s-doj-fbi-and-secret-service/

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 22:40:13 2023 No.57022739 File: 44 KB, 738x300, hamr.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57022059 That graphic is outdated. Current production is 32TB.

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 23:42:38 2023 No.57023298
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>>57022686
>So Tether sold out to the Feds to get out of jail free?

Are you really so shocked? They've been freezing funds when requested for years now.

In any case, at the insane rate they're currently printing unbacked USDT I wouldn't be surprised if we see an extinction-level market crash sometime next year.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 00:04:38 2023 No.57023451 >>57015949 The secret is to not use Orbot's VPN mode, just regular Tor. Start it up, then go pick a node.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 00:08:09 2023 No.57023483 >>57018200 >Will Monero flip Bitcoin on Coincard sales? I thought that happened a while ago.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 00:35:11 2023 No.57023676
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>>57023483
>I thought that happened a while ago.

US sales, Monero is at 70% domination now and growing. BTC is still slightly ahead in global sales. But a fullscale flippening is inevitable as BTC fees keep rising, LN won't save it, its all downhill from here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 02:53:58 2023 No.57024799 File: 3.84 MB, 512x512, slippery.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Whats the point to of this retarded pedo coin?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 04:27:46 2023 No.57025413 File: 117 KB, 746x1080, EnrageGlowies.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57024799 >Whats the point to of this retarded pedo coin?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 04:30:28 2023 No.57025429 >>57024799 was he kill?

>>	veil project Tue Dec 19 04:35:32 2023 No.57025459 File: 155 KB, 512x512, IMG_2989.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57023676 this adds up, would be interesting to know if the ltc settlements are in grin tech mweb or transparent

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 05:05:51 2023 No.57025602 File: 537 KB, 761x737, 1702499094537265.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57023676 Americans are once again ahead of the curve.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 06:54:31 2023 No.57026064 >>57001516 I'm trying to buy monero for the first time on localmonero and no one is replying to me. What's the deal, how long do they normally take?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 06:57:11 2023 No.57026077 Good morning, I hate moonfags.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 07:23:44 2023 No.57026177

>>57023676
That is just script kiddies swapping their monero malware earnings for Playstation points.
>>57026064
Your local FBI agent is probably off the clock right now.
>>57026077
Cool, go back to your hug box echo chamber. This board is for people trying to make money.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 09:45:48 2023 No.57026670 >>57022739 How quick are HAMRs? How much space do they take?

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 10:03:40 2023 No.57026731

>>57022739
If these things are targeting high capacity & memory density, then they're not going to be more cost effective than conventional HDDs, likely higher cost. Plus they're spinning disks and you need SSDs for Monero, so consumer price efficiency still isn't solved with HAMR.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 10:56:39 2023 No.57026943 File: 29 KB, 616x198, kek.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57001516 wake up babe, new bitcohen feature just dropped!

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 11:25:26 2023 No.57027049 >>57026064 Should be pretty quick. Pick a vendor that has been seen recetly and has lots of transactions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 11:42:37 2023 No.57027103 >>57027049 I just gave up on that for now. I'm recovering my old binance account because apparently Kraken stopped listing monero three years ago in Australia.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 13:50:03 2023 No.57027720
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>>57026177
>That is just script kiddies swapping their monero malware earnings for Playstation points.

That is Bitcoin slowly losing economic relevance as better and cheaper alternatives become available.

>This board is for people trying to make money.

Monero is a terrible investment, you should be stacking sats and putting them in long-term cold storage. $100K soon!

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 13:55:20 2023 No.57027752 >>57008273 Two things I hold are XMR and whacked :D

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 15:42:18 2023 No.57028613 >>57008481 Great! Now your tart has started to crowdfunding to exist prostitution. https://kuno.anne.media/fundraiser/cdbv/ Monero gonna piss off so many kikes in the coming years that it will be unreal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 15:43:19 2023 No.57028621 >>57028613 >started to crowdfunding to I hate the autocorrect christ > I hate the autocorrect christ I hate the autocorrect christ > I hate the autocorrect christ

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 16:12:49 2023 No.57028899 File: 26 KB, 600x598, gq3q.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57001516 I cant proof my spending WHY Every explorer i type the transaction id and key and the recievers adresss says this adress recieved no money?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 16:15:34 2023 No.57028931 File: 1023 KB, 265x260, 9a53a435d8d306fb0495e567ab38e5ec6073ddce9761f1b4754ab926325c28dd.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57027103 >anon cant into localmonero C'mon anon, it's easy as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 16:38:54 2023 No.57029110 >>57028899 WHY I tried all view keys and what not and i cant see it

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 16:40:56 2023 No.57029130 >>57029110 You need the transaction id for a specific transaction you did. It should be in your wallet under the transaction itself (tap/click on it)

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 16:51:18 2023 No.57029241
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>>57029130
Yes:
I have the gui wallet and click on info
Then it shows me a list:
Transaction-ID:
Date:
Amount:
Adress: (mine)
Transaction Key:
Destination: *Amount*, then *destination adress*
Ring: ....
Then i type in the ID, the destination adress and the transaction key in an explorer
It doesnt work with ANY transaction i made on ANY explorer

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 16:56:24 2023 No.57029278 >>57029241 >Either the address shown below didn't receive any XMR in this transaction or the transaction key you provided is wrong. But it worked...... And for a recent transsction which supposedly is not seen by the reciever i need this desprately

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 17:10:47 2023 No.57029430 >>57026064 Get some other crypto and exchange it to xmr on tradeogre

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 17:14:49 2023 No.57029466 File: 3 KB, 198x135, ufkj.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I did read somewhere i need to click on P for proof but i cant click on that. And the transaction key is shown elsewhere anyway but doesnt work I dont understand

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 17:57:05 2023 No.57029913 >>57029278 you mistyped the receiver address, your money is gone

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 17:57:07 2023 No.57029915 >>57027720 Yeah, it is. That's why it doesn't belong on this fucking board.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:02:47 2023 No.57029959 >>57029913 Maybe the recent transaction where I got disputed that's why I need it in the first place.... But this was for all OLD transactions which were confirmed received to the adress I typed in IT DOES NOT WORK FFS

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:07:19 2023 No.57029992 >>57029913 >>57029959 Is it my ledger giving put a wrong transaction key or what? Im totally in shambles right now i tried 2+ hours now

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:09:32 2023 No.57030012 File: 389 KB, 827x1181, 168497852897.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57029915 >Yeah, it is. That's why it doesn't belong on this fucking board. /biz/ = business, fuckhead. Go stack more BTC and daydream about your future lambo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:15:17 2023 No.57030059 >>57030012 >/biz/ = business & finance I.e., talking about Monero in relation to finance (price action, network security, exchange liquidity) is valid. If you only want to discuss the political implications of Monero, do that on /pol/

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:18:23 2023 No.57030083 File: 438 KB, 843x552, 1702687024355879.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57030059 lol and of course no mention of actual use in a circular/underground economy. Typical moonfag

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:22:25 2023 No.57030106 >>57030083 I never said that faggot, talk about black markets all you want. But don't shit yourself whenever someone wants to talk about finance either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:28:50 2023 No.57030167 File: 44 KB, 653x566, D7mBMCSXYAAcxwG.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57030106 >finance

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:39:46 2023 No.57030285 >>57029241 >>57029278 >>57029466 Did you type in the blockheight? I have no problems on my end, but im using mobile

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:42:34 2023 No.57030316 >>57030285 No Do i need to do that? And where?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:46:53 2023 No.57030369 >>57030167 A DIGITAL CURRENCY IS A FINANCIAL PRODUCT

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:51:07 2023 No.57030419 >>57030316 What block explorer are you using? Im using a tor one. Use your block height, block hash and transaction hash on the one i use http:// bhhscjulwzyerzzmgztxbcfjgce7uitoxmxn5rb42pmfhqcuob6tziqd[dot]onion/

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:57:00 2023 No.57030484 >>57030419 Fuck i never in my life used TOR, i tried all explorers google comes up with Maybe i need to set that up

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:04:45 2023 No.57030571

>>57030484
>uses XMR but not Tor
You should, anon. Even if you never touch the darkmarkets, having a tor email and pgp keys are a must if you're going to be even a little bit serious about holding/using monero. Get F-Dried if you have an android, or download the Tor browser for comp. If on android, use F-droid to download Orbot, a Tor-vps for your apps. Then download cakewallet/monerujo/mysu (for hot wallets). Go into Orbot and set it to select F-droid for one of its apps before downloading any apps off it. I recommend Monerujo if you dont care about how fast a non-tor connected wallet loads the blockchain, or Mysu if you want a wallet with a built-in native Tor (selected in options). Will make a pastebin of some links if you want

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:05:46 2023 No.57030583 >>57030571 tor-vpn

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:07:16 2023 No.57030598 >>57030571 Ok true likely, but i never did something illigal with my xmr

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:14:29 2023 No.57030670 >>57030571 >Will make a pastebin of some links if you want I would ask a friend desu so no thanks i dont need

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:15:47 2023 No.57030678

>>57030598
Not all darkmarkets are illegal or only sell illegal things. Most are "dark" purely because they exclusively use xmr and no identifying info collection. You can sell vidya games on the darknet if you want.
Id you arent the recipient of thr transaction, the payment id wont match your wallet's as far as i can tell

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:16:33 2023 No.57030689

>>57020394
Before any new tech, just scaling up the NAND chip production and improving yields will be plenty enough for a while I think.

>>57012278
>eliminating bot miners
Why? Ethically one may cry about them but objectively for the network they are yet another decentralized party to the pie.

>>57010608
Any not-too-shit CPU. Needs 256 KB of L2 cache and 2 MB of L3 cache per 1 mining thread. Needs at least 2.25GB RAM. As a general rule, the older the CPU, the worse is the hash per watt efficiency. I mine with my Ryzen 3600 for about 7400h/s. I live in a shit hole country where I actually turn a few cents per day profit after the electricity costs. I think of it like a little 100W heater that pays for itself. Also I already run some self-hosted server stuff on the machine so effectively the would be cost is even less for me. Xmrig runs at the lowest priority.
https://xmrig.com/benchmark/

To help the network:
-Run a node. If you're short on storage, a pruned will use 1/3. 200GB for a pruned should last a long while.
-Run p2pool. A decentralized mining pool.
-Mine to it with xmrig. Basic architecture: One or more devices run their own xmrig, connect to one p2pool, which connects to one node.

More:
-Sell your shit on MoneroMarket. Before buying something, check there.
-If you use VPN buy Mullvad with Monero. If you use VPS buy them for monero on Cockbox, Kyun, (others?)
-Propose to exchange between cash and monero on LocalMonero.
...

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:36:36 2023 No.57030912

>>57030689
Regarding bot miners, their costs are zero so they can sell at any price, artificially suppressing miner revenues, suppressing security in terms of $/block settled, and making mining less cost effective for participants who care about Monero and want to mine from home.
It'd be like Amazon subsidizing miners who use AWS, at the detriment of home miners who care about the network (and are less likely to dump their XMR the second they get it).

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:37:11 2023 No.57030919 File: 270 KB, 1191x710, CashOrMoneroOnly.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57030369 >A DIGITAL CURRENCY IS A FINANCIAL PRODUCT lol its a medium of exchange, actually. There for everybody to use.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:41:12 2023 No.57030965 >>57030919 Yes, money, Monero, a medium of exchange, cryptocurrency, those are all financial products. Within the realm of finance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 20:02:31 2023 No.57031220 File: 217 KB, 1200x809, wallstreet.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57030965 >cryptocurrency, those are all financial products. Within the realm of finance. lol I love how seriously you take this batshit clown market. Wen Shiba Inu ETF?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 20:05:37 2023 No.57031265 File: 336 KB, 858x644, 1494528321-risitas-askp.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] do people mining monero really exist ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 20:11:17 2023 No.57031328 >>57031265 I mine a bit on a server to help support the network.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 20:28:10 2023 No.57031502 File: 390 KB, 893x740, full.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57031328 >working for free

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 20:30:29 2023 No.57031530 >>57031502 It doesn't cost me anything extra since it doesn't go over my power allotment for the colocation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 20:31:14 2023 No.57031538 >>57031265 >>57031502 i already own the processor and have to pay for heat in the winter anyway. it would be silly not to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 22:06:04 2023 No.57032473 >>57001598 >Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running. so how do i know which one is appropriate

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 22:13:55 2023 No.57032532 >>57032473 Windows or Linux?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 22:19:11 2023 No.57032570 >>57032532 Windows or should i just follow the guide at https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/node-i2p-zero.html

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 22:21:08 2023 No.57032587 >>57032570 Yeah, that'll work. It requires Java tho.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 23:57:10 2023 No.57033544 File: 3.53 MB, 2792x4037, 1631628345908.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:10:20 2023 No.57034175 are we getting rich this year?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:12:59 2023 No.57034203 File: 85 KB, 1280x720, 245925.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57034175 >are we getting rich this year? Only if you buy and HODL Bitcoin. Spending it drives down the value so be sure to stash it away in cold storage.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:17:07 2023 No.57034232 File: 321 KB, 1200x1920, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] MoneroMarket's Twitter got shitcanned by elon. Just a matter of time before the glowies start making trouble.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:18:24 2023 No.57034239 >>57034232 haha time for fediverse/matrix/email/irc

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:22:50 2023 No.57034279 >>57034232 That's a different account https://x.com/monero_market?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:26:11 2023 No.57034299 File: 113 KB, 519x604, h4trEUO8jD8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57034279 Ah, so it was an imposter. Nice save. Still, we can't be depending on centralized solutions, sooner or later the banhammer will drop.

>>	veil-project Wed Dec 20 01:36:35 2023 No.57034367 File: 35 KB, 400x400, IMG_2996.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57034175 >are we depends did you buy the bottom? how many do you hold?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:38:52 2023 No.57034383 MoneroMarket seems to be using CloudFlare (WHY???) and a config or policy change broke all the images on the site.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:53:42 2023 No.57034473 ive been trying to swing trade xmr lately since ive realized its the only asset id mind holding for a long time if it tanks. any advice?

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 02:02:21 2023 No.57034530
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>>57034473
Monero is crabby and boring for price action, but it's also the only cryptocurrency anyone actually uses on the regular for non-novel reasons. And I prefer holding it compared to stacking USD in a bank account, which is the ultimate shitcoin.

Might not be a bad idea to enjoy the smooth, bold flavor of a Monerochan Red.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 03:22:37 2023 No.57035092 >>57030912 I don’t see how botnets suppress monero security. If anything they leverage more computing power to protect the network, albeit nefariously.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 03:28:19 2023 No.57035131 >>57034299 XMRbazaar anon. Decentralized marketplace. Will be closed source for a few months, then released as FOSS to the public

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 05:59:47 2023 No.57035839 File: 68 KB, 800x625, 169645935636412.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57035131 Still needs Javascript from what I understand, so can't run it in default Tor browser.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 06:49:51 2023 No.57036093 Looks like MoneroMarket fixed their website.

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 08:21:52 2023 No.57036490

>>57035839
>>57035839
>Still needs Javascript from what I understand, so can't run it in default Tor browser.
what a fucking bummer. tuxsudo I know you read these threads. fix this. xmrbazaar should be run-able under these conditions:

1) Tor browser + strict protection settings
2) Tor browser + .onion URL for xmr bazaar

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 10:53:49 2023 No.57037179 File: 179 KB, 1452x753, IMG_7825.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] One of the biggest TOR markets “Nemessis market” had made this announcement on their website. Bitcoinfags on suicide watch

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 11:18:44 2023 No.57037288 File: 335 KB, 602x338, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57037179 lol lmao

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 15:36:20 2023 No.57039088 File: 1.10 MB, 1920x1920, 1632715946338.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:12:04 2023 No.57039531 File: 351 KB, 655x888, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Why non-custodial? This is a question they're actually asking now? Jesus wept.

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:44:47 2023 No.57039960
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>>57034299
>Banhammer
Give me a fucking break dude. Larping that some ancient traceable bullshit is some fucking bleeding edge threat to the surveillance state is the height of delusion. Multiple regulated exchange XMR/USD trading pairs across the globe, a top 1% subreddit packed with shills, and you fucking retards act like you're hacking the planet and are on the verge of usurping BTC at any moment. Your privacy is shit, The opsec of your community leaders is provably shit, and you offer nothing to the privacy crypto movement besides lies and false promises in hopes of keeping noobs on the surveillance plantation. Your cult sucks and there is not a single Fed who is afraid of Monero. All the bot miners are probably even on Fed server farms. Now one of you feds can start up a new general and keep this whole charade stumbling along.

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:56:37 2023 No.57040103
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>>57039960

This is the spiciest FUDpasta I've enjoyed in quite a while. My compliments to the chef. Saved!

>Give me a fucking break dude. Larping that some ancient traceable bullshit is some fucking bleeding edge threat to the surveillance state is the height of delusion. Multiple regulated exchange XMR/USD trading pairs across the globe, a top 1% subreddit packed with shills, and you fucking retards act like you're hacking the planet and are on the verge of usurping BTC at any moment. Your privacy is shit, The opsec of your community leaders is provably shit, and you offer nothing to the privacy crypto movement besides lies and false promises in hopes of keeping noobs on the surveillance plantation. Your cult sucks and there is not a single Fed who is afraid of Monero. All the bot miners are probably even on Fed server farms. Now one of you feds can start up a new general and keep this whole charade stumbling along.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 17:33:39 2023 No.57040504 >>57039960 I know you can buy drugs using crypto All I'm sayin' Draw your own conclusions from that

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 17:36:08 2023 No.57040525 >>57037179 Neat!

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 17:56:30 2023 No.57040718 File: 184 KB, 600x688, (You).gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57039960 holy heckin cope y'all

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 17:58:32 2023 No.57040747
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The more experience I have working with tradfi software the more using Monero to buy things feels like meditative simplicity. I might stand up a store of my own.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 19:43:45 2023 No.57041818 File: 27 KB, 720x668, 1635885521904.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 19:51:18 2023 No.57041921
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>>57040718
>cope
I'm up 300% on my privacy project investments. This is fucking /biz/. Your dumbasses are busy trying to stay relevant. Sadly, you are failing. Why aren't you shilling this desperate bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 20:02:54 2023 No.57042058 File: 1.58 MB, 827x817, 1635907950543.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57041921 >I'm up 300%

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 21:23:35 2023 No.57043093 that's a lot of transactions

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 22:54:08 2023 No.57044054 >>57022686 There's a running theory that the federal reserve owns tether

>>	LebAnon Wed Dec 20 22:56:56 2023 No.57044080 >>57022686 Fuck the (((FED))) Fuck (((keynesians))) Merry Christmas bros

>>	veil project Wed Dec 20 23:02:40 2023 No.57044144 >>57043093 btc is unusable now and xmr (not ltc) is the best alternative

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 23:24:57 2023 No.57044353

>>57001516
How exactly is any crypto coin other than monero going to achieve decentralization if they can be tracked? The feds can easily track your other shit coins and demand a % tax if not that then they will easily make it unlawful to trade cryptos. Easily charge anyone by them tracking your trades. So how tf is monero not as big as bitcoin

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 00:07:00 2023 No.57044734 >>57044353 sneed

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 00:08:00 2023 No.57044746 bros when are we going to win?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 00:44:35 2023 No.57045104 >>57044353 Precisely because institutions can't pump it up with Tether or other stables. As king shitcoin falls we will see more markets addressed by the same pool of moneroj and thus XMR will naturally rise.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 03:17:55 2023 No.57046208 File: 91 KB, 512x400, 1613910990060.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 03:29:43 2023 No.57046296
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What the fuck is going on? I was about to sell some xmr to buy a shitcoin that is gonna pump, and I log on to my exchange and get greeted with this message. Def don't want to sell now, is this happening on other exchanges? Where can you still buy XMR without KYC?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 03:30:17 2023 No.57046302 >>57046296 XeggeX, ~$2k/day limit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 03:32:53 2023 No.57046326 >>57044080 kys beggar

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 03:45:25 2023 No.57046413 >>57046302 seems weird but I guess better than nothing, I'm just not gonna sell tonight, gonna sleep see if things are better tomorrow

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 03:48:16 2023 No.57046435

>>57046296
this is mandala exchange btw, was my go to recently, but now this gives me pause. Why is it always XMR? I remember this same thing happened on Binance back in summer of 2021 or 2022

Just fuels more speculation on my end that most exchanges are trading "paper monero" and don't have nearly enough XMR on hand to cover potential withdrawals. The price of this token is kept artificially low

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 03:49:01 2023 No.57046441 >>57046435 >Why is it always XMR? They do the same thing with every coin, but Monero users like to actually withdraw and spend rather than masturbate to green lines.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 03:51:22 2023 No.57046458 >>57046296 TradeOgre.com

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 04:30:12 2023 No.57046787 >>57046441 On chain xmr volumes are approximately .03% those of btc. They're not even close to comparable, at all.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 07:46:36 2023 No.57047899 File: 1.01 MB, 1302x1695, 1634959356313.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 08:08:30 2023 No.57048018 >>57046787 8.5% yesterday maybe you forgot how percentages work

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 10:42:29 2023 No.57048839 >>57046787 how are you even calculating on-chain volume in xmr?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 13:13:50 2023 No.57049864 File: 1.16 MB, 2299x1294, 1639798224050.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 13:16:21 2023 No.57049891 >>57048839 anon is simply comparing the absolute raw number of txs per day.

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 13:17:46 2023 No.57049904

>>57046441
>They do the same thing with every coin, but Monero users like to actually withdraw and spend rather than masturbate to green lines.
this. Imagine thinking crypto cartels make exceptions like this, they simply do the same manipulations all over the board

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 13:27:13 2023 No.57049980 another group of shitcoiners realize that if you try and go head to head with bitcoin you get your throat cut open every alt that didn't learn their place fast lost, hard.

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 15:34:22 2023 No.57051262

>>57034299
>>57034239
The decentralized private solution to get updates already exists:
>Host a blog on Tor&I2P
>Have an RSS feed

>>57034383
Load data.moneromarket.io to pass the CuckFlare check then you can go back to moneromarket.io and it loads properly.

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 17:14:21 2023 No.57052308

>>57048018
7-day average is 5%. On one hand the Monero txs are probably of a lower value. On the other, XMR's mcap is only 0.37% of Bitcoins', so Monero's on chain volume relative to market cap is probably higher.

>>57035092
I've not completely thought it out yet, but on one hand you do have more miners. But on the other, they can mine when it would be otherwise uneconomical to do so, pushing out "legitimate" miners and lowering security in terms of miner revenue, since any revenue, even $0.01/day, is still a net positive for bot miners.
Getting more liquidity for Monero (upcoming DEXs) would be good for increasing the total pool miners are dumping their coins into.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 17:36:23 2023 No.57052517 >>57049891 oh, so he's just a retard what a surprise

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 17:42:28 2023 No.57052588 File: 116 KB, 1685x796, xmr tx chart.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Transaction count has been creeping very slowly up over the last year, but we've recently had a spike to almost 50k transactions per day.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 19:42:02 2023 No.57053840 >>57052588 Based.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 19:52:58 2023 No.57053924 File: 66 KB, 440x440, 1696723246871554.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Did that Monero themed BBS ever go anywhere?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 19:53:53 2023 No.57053931 How much of a Monero presence is there on Argentina? Now would be the best time for a big marketing push given contracts can now be settled in XMR, BTC, USD, a free market for money, as per >>57052621

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 20:14:17 2023 No.57054111
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m...monerosisters, if monero would be the price of bitcoin right now we would be paying between 1-3 dollar per tx.
how do we cope with this?
can we really laugh at king shitcoin?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 20:25:57 2023 No.57054223 >>57054111 bitcoin is 31.65 USD/tx for Dec 20 2023

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 20:27:56 2023 No.57054240

>>57053931
>How much of a Monero presence is there on Argentina
i'd say pretty much 0%
Gentleman, the game is on. Argentinians are looking for a currency and they can use whatever the hell they want. The USD already has the advantage since most Argentinians already have dollars reserves under the mattress, but still there aren't enough dollars to go around so people will start looking for something else.
Selling stuff in crypto won't really help. the first step is to offer jobs paid in crypto.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 20:29:32 2023 No.57054248 >>57054223 bitcoin is 31.65 USD/tx for Dec 20 2023 how does this solves the issue that xmr would be 1-3 dollars? its clearly better but still completely shit tx price.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 20:29:34 2023 No.57054250 >>57054111 no we would not fees go down when volume goes up sad waste of trips

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 20:38:05 2023 No.57054326 >>57054250 it as an honest question, not fud. care to explain in more detail?

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 20:46:26 2023 No.57054418

>>57053924
Yeah that's my bad, been busy with other projects and was hoping the devs would finish their activitypub integration before putting the new BBS on psion.sh (general freedom/self sufficiency oriented, but with a large Monero section as well). I'll have it up over the Christmas break, then post here again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 21:03:11 2023 No.57054605 >>57054326 fees are not fixed values they are calculated off the block scaling when the blocks get big the fees get small

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 21:18:50 2023 No.57054809 Monero newbie here If I have my gui wallet running and fully synchronized, that's the same as running a node, right?

>>	veil project Thu Dec 21 22:45:59 2023 No.57055697 File: 758 KB, 744x768, IMG_3021.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57054809 Yes. “Monerod” is the node, and that is a component of your gui wallet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:13:41 2023 No.57056548 >>57052588 why that spike?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:43:21 2023 No.57056821 >>57056548 >He hasn't bought the White Christmas deals What do you think this coin is used for?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 02:27:41 2023 No.57057646 File: 742 KB, 963x1320, cosmic monerochan space booba.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57056548 Monerochan works in mysterious ways.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 04:13:51 2023 No.57058430

>>57006392
Feather's the best. I've never used a hw wallet. Exodus is the worst.

>>57006571
Yeah and the walls keep closing in. Monero will give some of us some freedom in the future.

>>57006832
If you're on a floating rate then you can just wait I guess. Bitcoin is so shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 04:18:20 2023 No.57058471 >>57012053 The reddit trannys that force these threads are too stupid to understand. >>57012475 Yes, I agree.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 07:11:16 2023 No.57059612 Anybody using Prestium?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 07:54:54 2023 No.57059830 >>57059612 >Anybody using Prestium? Yeah, its very based. Will be replacing my Tails solution once it matures.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 08:14:09 2023 No.57059964 >>57054240 What jobs could we offer to argentinians because what do they offer that countrys cant

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 10:03:02 2023 No.57060572 File: 8 KB, 474x252, OIP.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does anyone else hold HBAR? If the bet is that corporations will continue their stranglehold on our privacy, wouldn't betting on this globohomo coin make equal sense as buying Monero?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 10:14:16 2023 No.57060631 >>57059830 what can we do with prestium now? can we just boot it up and use feather? anything special we need to know?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 10:20:34 2023 No.57060659 File: 322 KB, 1080x2067, monerochan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I boughted. I'm financially ruined, but I boughted.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 10:27:21 2023 No.57060690 >>57060659 Holy shit, $7000 for a fucking plushie??

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 10:34:38 2023 No.57060729 >>57060690 It's closer to $80, but I bought the $90 monerochan supremacy edition.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 11:27:09 2023 No.57060956 >>57053931 You can settle contracts using any currency you want in any country. You can even sell apples for oranges if you want. This changes nothing.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 11:34:29 2023 No.57061015

>>57059612
>>57059830
>Prestium
Yea. But the 1.6.0 release is signed by a different gpg key, also there is no sign of the 1.6.0 release announcement under prestium's reddit.

Here's what I am getting when I check the signature for the 1.6.0 iso files:

```
[workstation user ~/Downloads/iso/Prestium-1.6.0]% gpg --verify Prestium-1.6.0-EE-amd64.iso.sig
gpg: assuming signed data in 'Prestium-1.6.0-EE-amd64.iso'
gpg: Signature made Tue 10 Oct 2023 12:23:12 AM UTC
gpg: using RSA key FD58015BD7635E75F8411E87446298577DD3E68F
gpg: Can't check signature: No public key
[workstation user ~/Downloads/iso/Prestium-1.6.0]% gpg --verify Prestium-1.6.0-amd64.iso.sig
gpg: assuming signed data in 'Prestium-1.6.0-amd64.iso'
gpg: Signature made Tue 10 Oct 2023 12:26:53 AM UTC
gpg: using RSA key FD58015BD7635E75F8411E87446298577DD3E68F
gpg: Can't check signature: No public key
[workstation user ~/Downloads/iso/Prestium-1.6.0]% gpg public_key.asc
gpg: WARNING: no command supplied. Trying to guess what you mean ...
pub rsa4096/0x875D63BD034D7CF7 2022-11-09 [SCEA] [expires: 2024-11-09]
44BE6FDE70FF2362444382A2875D63BD034D7CF7
uid Opicaak()<ReheatedBurger@protonmail.com>
```

See that the public_key.asc, which you can download from prestium dot org, is different than the signed file's keys. Why is that?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 13:42:18 2023 No.57061738 Hi monerochads. What happens if I order something from the dark web and I’m not home to pick up the package from the courier when he arrives? I don’t live in a country where leaving the package on the porch is a thing and I live in an apartment

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 13:55:22 2023 No.57061843 >>57061738 Unless you buy a ton of coke, the same thing happens as with any other package.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 13:59:28 2023 No.57061876 >>57061843 What? I never order trough courier I only use packet stations and no vendors ship to packet stations only couriers

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 15:11:30 2023 No.57062549 >>57061876 What exactly do you mean by "courier"? Something more exotic than UPS, FedEx, DHL, etc.?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 16:31:33 2023 No.57063343 >>57054809 You are a node operator sir

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 16:54:19 2023 No.57063529 >polysneed >25 words seed which one is better?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 18:34:52 2023 No.57064405 >>57060631 >what can we do with prestium now? Default I2P and FeatherWallet, what more do you need?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 19:52:59 2023 No.57065257 File: 1.42 MB, 6071x4299, 1641823553355.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hope you all have a merry christmas, monerofrens <3

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 20:32:49 2023 No.57065579 File: 159 KB, 840x715, 1608217399587.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57054809 henlo fellow node operator

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 20:55:12 2023 No.57065766 File: 1.78 MB, 960x1400, 1701782259128330.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 22:06:01 2023 No.57066367 >>57054809 yes but to my understanding unless you specify to open the correct ports (18080 and 18081 be default) it's only accessible on that same machine. I haven't touched the GUI in probably a year so idk what the l8est and gr8est features are.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 22:11:20 2023 No.57066429 >>57066367 That means it's not a public node for remote wallets but you're still communicating node to node.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 22:12:09 2023 No.57066437
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Here's the FBI's criminal complaint related to the recent takedown of Kingdom Market.

http://uploaddd5rychb5mzvpycwr4c6pomy6ptr3gqbluivnig2jokirmf6qd.onion/XLC_qoaD.pdf

TL;DR: unfathomably sloppy OPSEC and continued use of BTC, it'll get ya in the end.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 22:19:58 2023 No.57066498

>>57066437
>deposits 180k euros into a bank
>in cash
>surely nobody's going to ask questions about where this money came from
it's not just sloppy and the result of multiple lobotomies, the entire purpose of crypto currencies is to be an alternative to the fiat panopticon hell we currently live in. I refuse to believe anybody who can run a DNM would be dumb enough to cash out any amount larger than needed to buy food and /maybe/ rent if you have a landlord that's fine with cash payments but here we are

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 23:08:55 2023 No.57066834 File: 32 KB, 888x880, 54343422.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57054809 you mean like picrel? if you chose 'simple mode' then no, you will be using a remote node.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 23:13:46 2023 No.57066868
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>>57066498
>I refuse to believe anybody who can run a DNM would be dumb enough to cash out any amount larger than needed to buy food and /maybe/ rent if you have a landlord that's fine with cash payments but here we are

These days, launching and running a DNM doesn't require any particularly complex know-how beyond web dev and server administration, Tor/I2P do most of the heavy lifting so as long as you haven't coded a bug-infested storefront and you know how to harden a Linux server, you're likely going to be fine as long as you don't get sloppy.

But yeah, I don't get the blatant lack of paranoia on his part, TradFi banking simply cannot be part of the equation when you're involved in a darknet criminal enterprise. Unless you want to get involved in money laundering, you simply gotta accept that you'll never be able to outright buy that mansion or Lambo with your profits and instead just be grateful that you never have to wageslave again.

Your gameplan should be:

- commit to a max 2-year market run
- never ship from the same location twice in a row
- keep a low profile, don't be seen living beyond your means
- be paranoid about all your online dealings, avoid posting on the clearnet altogether
- never involve banks
- store cashed-out profits in gold/silver

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 23:27:23 2023 No.57066984

>>57066429
I do not think that's the case. Your node is just downloading data from other nodes, it is not allowing other nodes to pull data from it by default.

Check in and out peers on the monerod interactive CLI, by default you will get 0 in peers and only out peers.

Source: I really do this shit for real.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 23:30:44 2023 No.57067014 >>57066868 what if you say that you mined long ago shortly after xmr launched and managed to mine and hodl a lot. i mean, you are innocent until proven guilty, which they can't if you have decent opsec.

Anonymous Sat Dec 23 00:14:52 2023 No.57067310
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>>57067014
>what if you say that you mined long ago shortly after xmr launched and managed to mine and hodl a lot.
>i mean, you are innocent until proven guilty, which they can't if you have decent opsec.

lol when it comes to money, its guilty until proven innocent. Remember that they can demand you provide them with your viewkey to confirm your "I mined it all years ago" story, refusal to do so would be seen as suspicious and grounds for further investigation. So no banks.

Just accept you'll never be able to openly live a lottery winner's lifestyle and instead console yourself with the simpler, ultimately more rewarding pleasures in life. Tour the world, enjoy fine cuisine, devote your life to creative pursuits, live stress-free. Does anybody really need anything more than that?

Anonymous Sat Dec 23 00:30:34 2023 No.57067415

>>57067310
Gold is not a KYC transaction if you buy less than <reportingthreshold> at a time (or just buy on localmonero) and vehicle dealers will take shiny rocks in trade. That gets a little challenging for lambo prices but for a decent "normie-rich" car (American muscle cars or luxutrucks, German, Lexus, etc.) or basically any current production motorcycle, you can probably pull it off.

Anonymous Sat Dec 23 01:02:23 2023 No.57067638
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>>57067415
>a decent "normie-rich" car (American muscle cars or luxutrucks, German, Lexus, etc.) or basically any current production motorcycle, you can probably pull it off.

How does it look when you go from living in your mom's basement to driving a Lexus all of a sudden? Optics matter, resisting the urge to flaunt your wealth is absolutely critical and could mean the difference between living happily under the radar and doing 10-20 years in the joint.

Anonymous Sat Dec 23 01:17:58 2023 No.57067714

>>57067638
>a decent "normie-rich" car (American muscle cars or luxutrucks, German, Lexus, etc.) or basically any current production motorcycle, you can probably pull it off.
>
>How does it look when you go from living in your mom's basement to driving a Lexus all of a sudden?
Like you have the financial sense of a 19 year old jarhead buying a Camaro? It makes you look stupid but not suspicious.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 01:21:09 2023 No.57067737 >>57067638 If you absolutely have to, laundering shit through an LLC that pays most of your expenses and "pays" you the rest as an "employee" (after being a good goy, mr irs) is the way to go. You just got lucky with a good business idea is all

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 01:47:17 2023 No.57067888 Does it normally take over 50 minutes to get my monero payment?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 01:49:33 2023 No.57067908 >>57067888 using localmonero

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 01:56:46 2023 No.57067963 >>57067908 Yeah, dealing with any federal bureaucracy takes time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 02:48:10 2023 No.57068277 >>57067963 kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 03:00:29 2023 No.57068346 >>57067963 lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 04:12:50 2023 No.57068684 Is there anything better than Feather? Also, how can I quickly convert btc? I want to jump ship to xmr before bitcoin crashes

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 04:19:08 2023 No.57068710 >>57068684 >Is there anything better than Feather? running a full node with the CLI or GUI wallet >Also, how can I quickly convert btc? I want to jump ship to xmr before bitcoin crashes You had years, fampai.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 04:19:46 2023 No.57068716 File: 45 KB, 405x720, 1684372221623.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57067963 What are you implying, sir?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 04:21:05 2023 No.57068728 File: 951 KB, 1044x1376, 1700775327151556.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57068710 >You had years, fampai. Some folks just gotta learn the hard way.

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