/smg/ - STOCK MARKET GENERAL

[Anonymous No.56194839]

Sideways Edition

>Educational sites:
https://www.investopedia.com/
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain

>Financial TV Streams:
https://watchnewslive.tv/watch-cnbc-live-stream-free-24-7/
http://www.livenewson.com/american/bloomberg-television-business.html
https://watchnewslive.tv/watch-fox-business-network-fbn-free-24-7/

>Charts:
https://www.tradingview.com
https://www.finscreener.com
https://www.koyfin.com/
https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com

>Screeners:
https://finviz.com/
https://www.tradingview.com/screener
https://etfdb.com/

>Options
https://www.optionsplaybook.com/options-introduction/
https://www.optionsprofitcalculator.com
https://optionstrat.com/
https://www.optionistics.com/quotes/option-prices

>Pre-Market and Live data:
https://www.investing.com/indices/indices-futures
https://finance.yahoo.com/

>Calendars
https://www.marketwatch.com/economy-politics/calendar
https://www.earningswhispers.com/calendar
https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/interest-rates/countdown-to-fomc.html

>Boomer Investing 101:
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Getting_started

>Misc:
https://tradingeconomics.com/
https://finance.yahoo.com/trending-tickers
https://market24hclock.com/
https://wallmine.com/
https://fintel.io/
https://www.dividendchannel.com/drip-returns-calculator
https://brokerchooser.com/
https://www.chathamfinancial.com/technology/us-market-rates

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[Anonymous No.56194846]

Now that Yom Kippur is over we can go back to selling. Thanks

[Anonymous No.56194908]

>>56194871
This isn’t Stocktwits. The cryptobros are normie repellent and we don’t need anymore brrrt moonboys hanging around
They maintain the balance of this general and we only deal with high quality tourists as a result
Their shit is a scam that’s going to 0 but so is the S&P

[Anonymous No.56194923]

ummmm NVAX bros... my underwater calls were doin a little sumthin today

[Anonymous No.56194928]

>>56194839
SPY will be higher by year end.

[Anonymous No.56194932]

The avatarfagging is getting out of hand. We have the Godfather guy, the Max Payne guy, the 1950s cowboy guy, and they're all posting the same pictures over and over again.

[Anonymous No.56194933]

>>56194908
yeah that's fair, I just wish there were good meta threads more often and the rest of the catalog wasn't just advertising. other than the other general threads there's not much going on besides hyping a coin but I guess the noise does keep the dumbest of the dumb out.

[Anonymous No.56194934]

>>56194839
>sharing a checking account with a gf
NGMI

[Anonymous No.56194947]

Another day. Typical work week: Up at 6 a.m. At work by 8. (Uh just maybe 15 min drive from home). Reply to e-mails. Do "nothing" after that. Break at 10, Do "nothing" till 12. Lunch, 1 p,m check email and respond to anything. Do "nothing" again or maybe take a nap or read depending on mood till 3. Take another break. After break till time to leave at 4:30 do "nothing" some more.

[Anonymous No.56194949]

>>56194932
>the Godfather guy
>all posting the same pictures over and over again
usually i post the exact same quote too, you're lucky i switched up the text this time

[Anonymous No.56194952]

>>56194923
NVAX chads are gonna make it, frfr

[Anonymous No.56194968]

>>56194947
>do nothing
why havent you been euthanized yet? did you not get vaxxed and boosted? how are you still standing?

[Anonymous No.56194981]

>mfw i realize that "people" are included in the "everything" bubble

this crash will make the great depression plus both world wars look like a cakewalk lmao

[Anonymous No.56194985]

>futures
well, looks like ramen for dinner, again...

[Anonymous No.56194987]

>>56194928
a bit higher than 0 maybe

[Anonymous No.56195000]

>yields

[Anonymous No.56195007]

>>56194985
wtf is this even legal? sec? powell? hello
stop them right now

[Anonymous No.56195028]

>>56195007

[Anonymous No.56195042]

>$15k in checking

[Anonymous No.56195047]

>>56194932
It's good though. It's a sign jannies have let up. Or roped. One of the two.

[Anonymous No.56195048]

I was wrong to say not to sell.

[Anonymous No.56195054]

There are anons in this thread which have been buying TLT "dips" for weeks now and everytime I ask none of them says why.

[Anonymous No.56195058]

I made money today. I thought the market was supposed to be crashing right now. What the fuck is going on in bond land?

[Anonymous No.56195070]

Uhh someone tell me I'm retarded:
Can you trade bonds month to month? If I understand correctly, you can trade bonds before and after their semi annually pay date. So could you just bond hop to maximize money gained by coupon payments?

Example:
>You buy bond 1 that pays 11/23, after the pay date you sell it
>You then buy bond 2 that pays on 12/23, effectively getting another coupon payment the next month
I understand that the value of the bonds goes down after each payment but after fees and losses from buying and selling If I did the math right you should still be able to earn 1-2% of the value of your bonds per month. This only works because interest rates are high. AM I RETARDED???

[Anonymous No.56195072]

>>56195058
This. This is what's going on.

Throw in a government shutdown and, baby, you got a first world bond market decaying into a second world bond market.

[Anonymous No.56195075]

>>56195058

People are starting to price in the "US doesn't exist 30 years from now" risk. Its actually over

[Anonymous No.56195076]

It was not preached to the crowd.
It was not taught by the state.
No man spoke it aloud
When the Wagie began to hate.

[Anonymous No.56195078]

>>56195042
>$15k in checking
>tfw unemployed
>tfw cash rapidly dropping and no resume hits
>tfw im trying to outlast my savings with market gains and im not looking too good

[Anonymous No.56195085]

Bed Bath and Beyond fags are FUCKED

[Anonymous No.56195086]

>>56195028
very based, i kneel

[Anonymous No.56195088]

>>56195075
Interesting that the market thinks the US is less likely to exist than amazon, or google.

[Anonymous No.56195090]

I wish I could have slept with the qt gril that I trained to replace me at my last job. Her smile with those braces were so cute. (I'm not a pedo she is 20) I mean, I could always get scoopsies to cosplay for me but I don't think it would be the same. To live is to suffer. I'm starting to learn that now

[Anonymous No.56195091]

>>56194932
I used different cowboy pics all the time, and there's 2 of us to boot. I literally have no pics saved at all and often use screencaps freshly taken. Eat shit, cope, and seethe, subreddit mod wannabe faggot, go apply for the janny job and do it for free.

[Anonymous No.56195092]

>>56195070
>He doesn't know about the rugpull ETF

[Anonymous No.56195098]

>>56195092
i have no idea what this post means or how it relates to my post

[Anonymous No.56195101]

>>56195088
Let me phrase it this way, who would you rather lend $100 to: Tim Apple or Kamala Harris?

[Anonymous No.56195109]

>>56195070
Wait until you find out that you can get dividends literally every day by holding stocks between two sessions before ex-dividend date.

[Anonymous No.56195121]

>>56195109
so it's a valid strategy? I thought about that but from what I understand they don't sell enough bonds to pay out every day, at most once or twice a week. And also most of the bonds are such low yielding that you'd realistically only break even two or three times a month doing that.

[Anonymous No.56195122]

>>56195091
>avatarfag is a huge fag
big surprise

[Anonymous No.56195123]

the market needs to rebound further,
god damnit

[Anonymous No.56195124]

I might quit day trading and stick to this strategy: wait for something important next day, like GDP numbers, and swing equal 1dte calls and puts to profit off the overnight gap fill. I’ll get liquidated one way but I could 10x the other way without stressing over intraday patterns that don’t play out the way they should

… damn it seriously sucks there’s no guaranteed strategies, I’m doomed

[Anonymous No.56195127]

>>56195098
It's just a funny chart. The drops on it are the monthly bond payouts; you don't actually lose money holding BIL.

As for your strategy, it is, in fact, retarded. Bond prices adjust for that payout date (that is, the bonds are marked down in value, using the current interest rate times the time till payment). That's why BIL goes up as you get closer to the monthly payment date. There isn't some free lunch there.

[Anonymous No.56195130]

can anybody explain to me how "high yield corporate" and "junk bond" ETFs like HYG and JNK accomplish to go sideways in price and still offer a yield around 5.8%?

[Anonymous No.56195140]

>>56195075
>People are starting to price in the "US doesn't exist 30 years from now" risk.
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.56195143]

>>56195130
The "pile of company debt that'll pay out over time" sets the share price. Those payments rolling in one day at a time cover the yield.

[Anonymous No.56195149]

>>56195143
>The "pile of company debt that'll pay out over time" sets the share price.
so the funds always hold to maturity?

[Anonymous No.56195152]

Poo Poo Pee Pee

[Anonymous No.56195164]

>>56195149
Depends on the fund. However generally there are standards such that if a company gets upgraded (or heemed into being a fallen angel) the bonds may be ditched. Similar to index funds and their components.

See page S-2 for example: https://www.ishares.com/us/literature/summary-prospectus/sp-ishares-iboxx-high-yield-corporate-bond-etf-2-28.pdf

[Anonymous No.56195176]

>>56195127
The price on this bond (which should've paid out on 5/15) only dropped about half a dollar the following week after the payout. Assuming you were slow as fuck and bought one week before and sold one week after you would've only lost ~$54 in total value on a $10,000 investment while pocketing $375 on the coupon for a net profit of $321.

bond is 912810ES3

[Anonymous No.56195184]

>>56195152
agreed

[Anonymous No.56195234]

>>56195152
based

[Anonymous No.56195242]

>>56195164
thanks but still confused

[Anonymous No.56195254]

>>56195176
It's the same as buying a stock before and after it goes ex-div (like >>56195109 pointed out). You have to adjust for bid-ask spreads, commissions, and swings in the underlying.

The two week period you're talking about had the 1y yield rise (i.e. the drop in your chart) from 4.794% to 5.073%. So that's like buying MSFT shares for a $0.75 dividend when the share price swings and ends up $5 lower.

[Anonymous No.56195263]

>>56195242
"No, they don't always hold to maturity. Sometimes they sell for a small loss or gain and recycle that money into more appropriate bonds." Capisce?

[Anonymous No.56195266]

Remember this prediction?
Feel old now?

[Anonymous No.56195267]

>>56195234
Kirito isn't looking so good

[Anonymous No.56195276]

>>56195254
why would yields rise / fall? Aren't these fixed yield bonds?
the thing about this compared to regular stocks is that the prices fluctuate much less. you can see yourself there in the chart that the difference between the highs and lows is 70c on the trading day.

[Anonymous No.56195278]

>>56195266
>"The Fed has to follow the bond market, not the other way around!"
>Bond market expects like 2 hikes
>Fed hikes 21 times

[Anonymous No.56195287]

>>56195276
The coupons payments ($X dollars or cents) are fixed. What people pay for those payments varies.

So, to use absurd numbers, a bond issued at $100 paying $4 (= 4%) could be bid up in ZIRP world until people pay $200 for that same $4 payment (a yield now of $4/$200 = 2%)

[Anonymous No.56195298]

Hey, WHEN I buy bonds and hold til maturity, I receive interest in the meantime and at the end I receive my FULL money back, right? (as long the state has money etc). The key to not making losses is holding to maturity, if I only want a safe investment. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.56195309]

>>56195278
>"We're expecting to get to a 2% inflation target!"
>the bond market that's been pricing in this not happening for the next 30 years
>>56195298
correct as long as inflation doesn't fuck you like it just did

[Anonymous No.56195316]

>>56195298
>(as long the state has money etc)

[Anonymous No.56195318]

>>56195298
Technically correct, it's not a loss until you sell. But if you're stuck with your dick in your hand for the next 27 years because you bought a 30 year bond paying 1.2% in 2020, inflation is going to heem you.

That is what big brained economists call "opportunity cost".

[Anonymous No.56195323]

>>56195318
I genuinely, and I mean GENUINELY, cannot understand how people are holding nominal bonds over tips

[Anonymous No.56195324]

>>56195298
Yes
as long as they don't default on either the coupons (the payments they send you generally twice a year) or fail to pay the face value upon maturity
You'll get what the interest is listed at
However, if inflation goes higher and you are locked in the bond, you will be hurt by inflation - if inflation moves higher, investors will also demand higher rates = bond price down
this won't directly affect you unless you sell the bond, but the inflation will also hurt you = loss on fixed income (loss on any income though!)

[Anonymous No.56195335]

>>56194987
A couple years ago somebody bought 300k worth of 60$ spy puts. Always wondered what the plan was?

[Anonymous No.56195334]

>want to scoop
>I have two student bonds at 6.8%
I'm gonna knock these out before they start up again but damn, wish I could buy

[Anonymous No.56195336]

>>56195298
no you won't receive your full money back if yields have gone up significantly while you were holding.

What do you think is worth more, a bond with a high yield or low yield? high of course. when you exchange your bond at maturity for fiat, it is sold on the secondary market. If yields went up, then investors aren't going to want to buy your low yielding bond while they could buy a newer one with higher yield. So to offload your bond you have to sell it for cheap, often at a loss.

This is why yields are spiking evry day now. Investors would rather sell at a loss early than wait to maturity and sell at a mega loss.

[Anonymous No.56195340]

>>56195323
Well not only does your TIPS payout get rekt if inflation drops, it gets rekt if inflation moons. Because who defines CPI? The people paying your TIPS bond.

[Anonymous No.56195351]

Haha what if Taylor Swift told all her fans to buy U.S. 10-year treasury bonds. That would be a funny meme. :)

[Anonymous No.56195356]

>>56195336
>no you won't receive your full money back if yields have gone up significantly while you were holding.
False - as long as you don't sell before maturity, and as long as the creditor doesn't default on either the coupons or the maturity payment, you get exactly what you paid for
It is only secondary market that reprices the bond if you wanted to sell prematurely
The coupon payment doesn't change, the face value at maturity doesn't change - the bonds are not variable rate (haha)

[Anonymous No.56195359]

>>56195266
The sad thing is that people who make/shill terrible predictions like this always seem to disappear by the time you've waited long enough to irrefutably call them out on their bullshit.

We still get SOXL slurpers regularly acting like they run the place. Meanwhile it's flat since Dec 2019 against some of the biggest stimulus/inflation of the past few decades, and a massive revolutionary generative AI bull run on top.
Even the 200dma leveraged rotation bros missed the obvious exit at $26+ while they were bragging over 100% gains, and NVDA was getting pumped to $500+ on news of an earnings rebound to 100x P/E and a $25 bil buyback.
They'll now likely find themselves stopped out at a mere 10% gain if they continue to strictly adhere to their system, worse than SPY over the same timeframe.

[Anonymous No.56195369]

>>56195351
I would finally believe the mkultra celebrity conspiracy if that happened.

[Anonymous No.56195375]

>>56195287
I'm just going to try it with small amounts next month. It seems like a relatively risk free way to earn extra cash even if it's not a lot. The only thing I don't know is what trading platform allows me to buy bonds in small amounts.

[Anonymous No.56195380]

>>56195309
I'm thinking about buying greek bonds, maybe romania too etc. That's why I have to add that.

>>56195318
Ok, there is for example this
https://markets.businessinsider.com/bonds/griechenlandeo-notes_202027-bond-2027-gr0118020685?miRedirects=1

4,38% coupon, for 14,8/15 years. If I buy now for 1000 € does the % have any relevance or is it only importan for those who already bought and think about reselling? As I said, I want to buy and just hold. And only sell should it explode upwards for wahtever reason.

[Anonymous No.56195394]

>>56194968
Well I do exercise. I got the vax. I got the first two boosters. All 3 shots did nothing to me. The nurse who gave all 3 to me was hot though so uh least it wasn't a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.56195397]

>>56195336
Man, I mean if I will get my initial payment back. I'm not talking abotu coming out of this deal with a gain or loss in a balance perspective. Just if my initial 1000 € will be repaid, even IF the price of the bond drops to 0.

[Anonymous No.56195399]

>>56195336
>no you won't receive your full money back if yields have gone up significantly while you were holding.
anon... if he holds till maturity he gets all his principal back
>>56195340
anon #2, the market is pricing in inflation with nominal bonds as well
if they lie about the CPI your nominal bonds are just as fucked

tips are for UNEXPECTED inflation

[Anonymous No.56195409]

>>56195380
If you buy and hold, you do not lose anything
The losses that they are talking about, "opportunity cost" is that if you had held onto the money, a better opportunity may arise
eg. a bond that is paying an even higher interest rate
since you're locked into those bonds, you don't have the money available to buy the higher interest bonds
you do not lose anything directly, the only "loss" you incur is against inflation, however all assets lose against inflation - bonds are not exclusive in this
If you buy and hold the bond, you get the set coupons, and the set face value at maturity - this doesn't fluctuate - only the price of the bond fluctuates based upon current market interest rates

[Anonymous No.56195412]

>>56195399
Yes. I mean otherwise who would fuckin lend his money and hoping the bonds won't die while holding this piece of shit for 2-3% interest. Why would I prefer bonds to bank account with interest otherwise. It has to be that I get my initial payment back. Losses of that are only possible if you sell before maturity and the value of the bond dropped. That's what I understood from reading a little

[Anonymous No.56195414]

>>56195369
Celebrities are pretty easily mind-controlled by their audiences desu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX2RpY_dj9Y
One of the spookiest YouTube videos I've ever seen.

[Anonymous No.56195417]

>>56195380
unless you're buying from an unstable country the value of the bonds should always decrease. the % is how much you get paid every year holding the bond.

An example of a 7.5% yield US treasury bond over 2 years -
Starts at $100 from the fed, sells on the market for $105 and pays $7.5 a year
after a year the price on the market is $102.5, it's dropped because it will yield less total over it's remaining lifetime (only another $7.5 left).

This stuff is only worth it now because yields are high. You won't lose money but like >>56195409 said you lose in opportunity cost.

[Anonymous No.56195420]

>>56195394
I keep wondering when these poor gullible souls will realize they fell for another QAnon.

[Anonymous No.56195421]

>>56194839
>our checking account
>not married already
>our

The guy in the meme larp is already fucked and clearly is a masochist.

[Anonymous No.56195425]

>>56195399
>>56195340
to add onto this, the market is fucking retarded with inflation because you can't price in unknown risks like a pandemic or war

5 years ago the breakeven inflation rate was expected to be 2% so a total amount of 10% inflation over the next 5 years

in reality we got fucking 25% lmao

[Anonymous No.56195426]

>>56195335
kek

[Anonymous No.56195431]

>>56195409
And when I buy it, the % of the bond is sometimes +100, sometimes below 100%. Does this have any effect for me when I buy? It can't matter or? I'm simply buying for 1000 € (or more). Its changes only matter to you if sell before maturity.

[Anonymous No.56195433]

>>56195375
Any real broker (Interactive Brokers, Fidelity, etc) will allow you to buy bonds directly.

>>56195380
>I'm thinking about buying greek bonds, maybe romania too etc.
Uh, can I get a based check on Aisle 1?

[Anonymous No.56195437]

>>56195399
>>56195356
Thanks for clarifying. but if holding to maturity gets full principle back, why are even short term bonds selling off? Why not hold to maturity. unless if inflation is expected to become to bad the face value would still be perceived as a loss?

[Anonymous No.56195438]

>>56195433
>Any real broker (Interactive Brokers, Fidelity, etc) will allow you to buy bonds directly.
I'm using Merrill lynch at the moment but they only allow bonds in minimum quantities of $10k

[Anonymous No.56195440]

>>56195437
>why are even short term bonds selling off?
governments sell new bonds with (usually higher) interest rates every week

[Anonymous No.56195443]

>>56195380
More seriously, you want to look at what's called the "Yield to Maturity". That and when the bond matures.

So it doesn't matter whether it was issued in 2020 or 2023, if a bond stops paying out in 2027, for your purposes it's a 4 year bond.

And if it pays 100 Euros or 1 Euro is irrelevant - the yield to maturity calculation divides that coupon into the price to give you a yield.

[Anonymous No.56195447]

Who will pay for the 4chan shill brigades now that the government is insolvent?

[Anonymous No.56195448]

>>56195375
On Fidelity, bonds are denominated in $1k par, but they do offer fractionals in $100 increments. I don't think you can sell on the secondary with a fractional though.

>t. setup 1m T-Bill auto-roll for my "medium-long term savings I don't want to gamble" account.

[Anonymous No.56195452]

>>56195437
Because the bond market is FUCKING MASSIVE at $133 trillion and involves entire countries competing against countries
each day over $600 billion are traded

sometimes people are willing to sell at a loss to buy better bonds, sometimes this is intentional
if you correctly assumed that rates were going to spike you could have moved your bond holdings to shorter term so they didn't lose as much value and then take a loss and rebalance long term

[Anonymous No.56195456]

>>56195414
I’m getting old, and it sucks. But I’m so fucking glad my generation, with the exception of a few doomers, completely missed the eceleb era. Pure fucking cancer, both mind and soul.

[Anonymous No.56195466]

>>56195433
Kek

>>56195438
>>56195433
I have Trade Republic and they now added bonds.

>>56195443
Ok, thanks!

[Anonymous No.56195474]

>...12 billion MORE to Ukraine?

[Anonymous No.56195475]

>>56195437
>Why not hold to maturity. unless if inflation is expected to become to bad the face value would still be perceived as a loss?
Congratulations, you now qualify to be Chief Risk Officer at Silicon Valley Bank.

[Anonymous No.56195486]

I used to have a few EE series bonds. The paper kind not the electronic ones. Grandparents bought them for me back in the 80's. Not a lot but hey every little bit helps you know. Anyway they hit the 30 year mark and I cashed them in (deposited rather). Nice little extra lump for me.

[Anonymous No.56195489]

Austria has bonds for 2117, anybody interested? lol

[Anonymous No.56195490]

>>56195438
>I'm using Merrill lynch at the moment but they only allow bonds in minimum quantities of $10k
There's always treasurydirect.gov lol

[Anonymous No.56195492]

>>56195431
>>56195452
>>56195448
>>56195443
Any predictions when the 20 year bonds will peak this cycle. I know it’s a fools errand but trying to time the top.

[Anonymous No.56195500]

>>56195490
yeah but that shit is government cancer and I don't know how I would sell the bonds after buying them unless they have a market right there

[Anonymous No.56195504]

>>56195492
no idea, i don't even know why real yields are up

[Anonymous No.56195507]

>>56195500
I think they do. And if you have trouble selling your treasury bonds, you've got bigger problems than selling your treasury bonds.

[Anonymous No.56195509]

>>56195490
Paris bros... we won.

[Anonymous No.56195519]

>>56195492
They will break 100% and then keep on going. You didn't listen when it actually mattered.

[Anonymous No.56195520]

>>56195492
>Any predictions when the 20 year bonds will peak this cycle.
Fed has probably 1 more 25 bps hike and indicated 3.9% by 2025. So id say the peak is between 3.9% and 5.5% is all you are going to get.

[Anonymous No.56195522]

>>56195492
DXY, yields, MOVE index, USDJPY, lots of shit suggests we're like weeks away from Powell cancelling QT or some other easing bullshit, same as a year ago. Yield peak soon.

[Anonymous No.56195545]

>>56195447
Indian GDP per capita is 3500 a year, and due to inequality it is a lot less than that. Normal individuals can afford to pay for shills, 50 hours a week, 50 weeks a year. Now consider 3500 to corporations and foreign powers. Shillings the future not the past.

[Anonymous No.56195557]

>>56195522
>interest on the debt is 10% of the budget
>expected to get to 15% next year
>20% the year after that
what country do we flee to?

[Anonymous No.56195569]

>>56195545
Yeah there's about 10-15 million people employed just to shitpost at the behest of various countries and corporations globally. It sucks because it's killing the internet but nobody cares.

[Anonymous No.56195573]

>>56195522
I Like Your Funny Words, Magic Man
>>56195519
At 135, I’d take a 10k chance.
>>56195504
I’m dying here man.

[Anonymous No.56195577]

>>56195569
I don't even visit /a/ or /v/ anymore because of the massive amount of dedicated schizos

[Anonymous No.56195583]

>>56195573
do i even wanna know when you bought that

[Anonymous No.56195614]

>>56195266

[Anonymous No.56195617]

>>56195557
>what country do we flee to?
None of them. You realize they all have even worse debt issues along with lack of resources and exports.

[Anonymous No.56195623]

>>56195557
>"Look, Zhao, I don't know what kind of country the 'United States of America' is or what they owe you, but this here's The Republic of Texas. Now are you buying oil or do I need to castle doctrine your ass?"

[Anonymous No.56195626]

Lmao so we're really just going to pull the exact same moon mission schedule as last year huh? Fleece bears into shorting the bottom until October and then pump it? Too easy

[Anonymous No.56195628]

>>56195569
Ive come to terms we are entering a dead internet era. It was a hell of a run at least. Glad I got to see old b, 2017 Biz (so sad I wasn’t earlier), Shazam porn, birth of Reddit, Napster, eBuams world, and the death of pol.

[Anonymous No.56195632]

>>56195573
How much clearer could he be, anon? Higher. For. Longer.

[Anonymous No.56195646]

>>56195492
>Any predictions when the 20 year bonds will peak this cycle.
First half of the 2030s.

[Anonymous No.56195653]

>>56195583
Been averaging in since DEC which was all fine and dandy as TQQQ ran up but now that it too is taking a hit, shits ugly, and about to get uglier. But I’m optimistic for May onward.

[Anonymous No.56195655]

I look like this.

[Anonymous No.56195670]

>>56195653
as long as you know long term is long term its fine
im a LTPZ man myself

[Anonymous No.56195678]

>>56195614
If you collected all the predictions from prominent gurus over the years I don't even think it would amount to a 50/50 standard distribution. It would just be consistently mostly wrong. Literally the Costanza effect. Why do people keep believing their shit?

[Anonymous No.56195679]

>>56195655
A checkered shirt, anon? Really?

[Anonymous No.56195697]

>>56195670
Least one of us has to win.
>>56195632
Fucking kek

[Anonymous No.56195699]

energy inflation is okay
here is why

[Anonymous No.56195709]

>>56195632
getting priced in as we speak, if not already
don't cry when we dip to support levels, worst case, then start going back up gradually
everyone yelling about this is the end and this is the big one are about to get wrecked if they actually are investing according to their thesis

[Anonymous No.56195714]

>>56195573
TLT holder in flesh. Can you answer >>56195054 pls

[Anonymous No.56195720]

>>56195699
dont worry guys we only emptied the SPR by half

[Anonymous No.56195722]

>>56195699
>30%
>lol nothing to see here!
THEY CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

[Anonymous No.56195725]

>>56195709
I know, but anon bought TMF way way way before the breaking point we're at now. It's reasonable to think Powell folds here, but it wasn't reasonable to think he'd not ante at all.

[Anonymous No.56195732]

>>56195678
Goldman has been the worst.
Mike Wilson told people to buy the bottom and THEN he turned bearish while banks were collapsing and everyone was calling him a retard. That’s a much better record than Goldman has had this year as they’ve hemorrhaged executives

[Anonymous No.56195736]

Uh, fellas...

[Anonymous No.56195740]

Ten year creeping up again

[Anonymous No.56195755]

>>56195714
I truly believe the majority of inflation was JPows retarded QE, which the economic papers say tends to lose its impact 18 months after.
On top this is my TNA/UPRO hedge, I’d never buy TMF on its own.
Plus I joke but do believe Anon here to be correct, though a month early. >>56195522

[Anonymous No.56195756]

>>56195736
our debt is about to fucking explode, the only way out is massive inflation

[Anonymous No.56195776]

>>56195699
>energy inflation is okay
I couldn't agree more

[Anonymous No.56195783]

>>56195756
>massive inflation
and here's why it's a good thing, anon

[Anonymous No.56195786]

TRAYVON TREASURY ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ASSAULT BY 4 WOMEN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEX6Wr9Iz00

[Anonymous No.56195788]

>>56195756
Mass deportations

[Anonymous No.56195825]

>>56195756
HAHAHAHAHAHA Jesus FUCK imagine legitimately caring about the US national debt! Holy shit this nothingburger has been happening for decades, what part don't you idiots understand?

[Anonymous No.56195830]

Considering that we're watching the Greek debt crisis, where their stock market dropped 95% and never recovered, play out in real time again in the US, there should be a lot more panicking in this thread than I'm seeing.

[Anonymous No.56195831]

how times change...
i was aware of zerohedge since their blogspot days,
but today I hardly visit the page on a daily bases let alone click one of the "articles."
few years ago I was already skipping the articles and went straight to the comments. it became apparent that the ZH comments section has turned into a "boomer rage containment zone" (borderline MAGA delusions) since 2016 and they're pretty much mindbroken nowadays.

[Anonymous No.56195839]

>>56195825

[Anonymous No.56195843]

>>56195830
just stfu

[Anonymous No.56195844]

>>56195825
Used to be 0% rates though. I agree it’s not end of days but I do think debt could start impacting the market.

[Anonymous No.56195864]

>>56195756
>the only way out is massive inflation
how?

[Anonymous No.56195865]

>>56195522
>>56195755
But we do not have QT. Never had it. Feds keep printing shitload of money and federal reserve keeps paying out so much interest on bonds and overnight deposits it trumps whatever they sell from the assets they hold.

As long as unemployment is low (it will stay low) and real inflation is higher than bond coupons (inflation is about 9% right now) Powell does not have to lower rates.

[Anonymous No.56195866]

>>56195830
Greece is shit where as US is literally the world, its incomparable. If we fall, everyone falls.

[Anonymous No.56195872]

Can I still get in on the uranium action or would I be buying the top

[Anonymous No.56195879]

>>56195522
>lots of shit suggests we're like weeks away from Powell cancelling QT or some other easing bullshit, same as a year ago. Yield peak soon.
two more weeks, amirite?

[Anonymous No.56195880]

>>56195755
Post your full account faggot. "It's just a hedge" smells like a cope

[Anonymous No.56195882]

>>56195830
step 1 is having money to even lose anon
the bogleheads are worried
>>56195844
the big metric that is out of control is the interest payments
used to be 3 or 5% of the budget but it hit 10% this year and next year will hit 15%

unless we cut spending (lol) or raise taxes (LMAO) its going to cost more to pay the interest than our

The interest on the debt was $663 billion last year and the military budget was $715 billion

[Anonymous No.56195885]

>>56195872
Yes.

[Anonymous No.56195886]

>dollar sitting at 106
>10y 4.5%
>25 beps in November
>8% mortgage rates
>cpi 4%
>5 dollar gas
>student loans
>government shutdown
>evergrande
>ukraine losing
>ai tulip mania
>migrant invasion
>vix yet to pop

[Anonymous No.56195896]

YESHUA YIELDS RESIGNS AS BLACKFACE PHOTOS RESURFACE FROM 2005 HALLOWEEN PARTY

[Anonymous No.56195900]

>>56195830
haha i actaullasdy flready had this gif saved lol

[Anonymous No.56195901]

>>56195886
>jews mysteriously going on holiday again

[Anonymous No.56195911]

>>56195831
>>56195843
>>56195866
We have higher debt to GDP than Greece did at the time of their crisis, and our bond market is behaving exactly like theirs did. Plug your ears and shout "LALALALALALALALA" all you want, but it won't save you.

[Anonymous No.56195912]

>>56195865
You bring up some real interesting point's to ponder. I still think though without QE inflations going to collapse, eventually.

[Anonymous No.56195913]

>>56195901

[Anonymous No.56195917]

>>56195839
What a hideous goblin. Absolutely revolting.

[Anonymous No.56195932]

I went all in on CGC today and sold the top. 10k made in less than a day

[Anonymous No.56195935]

>>56195880
Weirdly aggressive. No, I don’t think I will. Believe whatever you’d like friend.

[Anonymous No.56195937]

>>56195911
>the made up numbers are getting larger!
And?

[Anonymous No.56195953]

>Ronald Racism named interim CEO of SPY

[Anonymous No.56195955]

looks like we are entering a good buy area to me

[Anonymous No.56195979]

>>56195756
>>56195864
>the only way out is massive inflation
Theoretically, yes. A year of 5% inflation knocks $1.65t off our debt. That's why people talk about negative real rates.

But you do that too much and bond bagholders start to wise up. They demand a 5% return for the 5% inflation environment and you're no longer gaining ground.

And God help you if you've got a deficit - ours is currently ~6.5% of GDP. Or expenses pegged to inflation. Want to reduce the real value of planes or medical procedures the government buys? Or cancel grandma's 9% cost of living adjustment in her social security checks? Good luck.

[Anonymous No.56195984]

>>56195955
If you zoom out far enough everywhere looks like a good buy area. The question is can you handle the holy hellfire that will rain down on your portfolio over the next several years should you actually buy in right now
>it's coming
>it's gonna be bad

[Anonymous No.56195999]

>>56195879
When you have TLT gapping down and the Yen blowing past their ministry of finance's line in the sand? Yes.

[Anonymous No.56196005]

>>56195979
Yep this is a perfect storm. Even the US dollar is struggling, only 58% of all central bank reserves and that's not including gold. It could genuinely drop under the halfway point by dipping below 50%

And then suddenly we can't offshore inflation anymore. It gets stickier and lasts longer

[Anonymous No.56196008]

Now that today was confirmed to be the bottom, what are you buying tomorrow? I’m thinking TQQQ calls

[Anonymous No.56196012]

>>56195912
Not soon enough and not even certainly enough to justify holding 3x leveraged ETF. Most of this decade we will have persistently high inflation because of boomers liquidating their assets as they are retiring, flooding economy with money. Cost of labor will also keep going up.

[Anonymous No.56196023]

>>56195882
No I get it, and see your thesis. I guess I have some kierkegaardian knight of faith belief Buffet is right and not to bet against America. As naive as that is.
I think your LTPZ is the wrong play, but definitely not a bad play. It could very well pay off.

[Anonymous No.56196026]

Holy crackers whats happening to mr. 10yr?

[Anonymous No.56196028]

>>56196008
This shilling is just sad.

[Anonymous No.56196030]

I can't believe Jimmy Buffet died.

[Anonymous No.56196032]

Pennystock FEMY ran 261% AH due to a FDA approval of a infertility drug. You did buy, right anon?

[Anonymous No.56196035]

>>56195266
that's an old classic, they were scrounging around for exit liquidity

[Anonymous No.56196043]

>>56195886
What do I do? All in on SQQQ???

[Anonymous No.56196047]

>>56195830
It's not my problem, I'm on the sidelines

[Anonymous No.56196048]

>>56195984
>>56195955
here is 5 year time frame on weekly. we are in a good buy area. literally just slurp this zone and hold

[Anonymous No.56196056]

>>56195999
Show your TLT bags.

[Anonymous No.56196058]

>>56196026
Take your pick:
>People are pricing in higher nominal growth for the next 10 years
>Jap ministry of finance liquidates holdings to get dollars to buy yen to keep USDJPY under 148
>Treasury's Quarterly Refunding Announcement scared the bejeezus out of everyone
>QT is finally hitting some weird ass threshold
>Nefarious short sellers and hedgies are short ladder attacking Yellen

[Anonymous No.56196073]

>>56196056
I don't have any and am in fact short KRE. But unless you think Powell grew a spine between now and last October, this is roughly the point on the charts where behind-the-scene fuckery starts interfering with what we "should" expect.

[Anonymous No.56196085]

>>56196058
japan is such a hilarious wildcard
there is a metric asston of foriegn assets in america that acts as a form of QE to keep bond yields low, and all the capital might fly out of the states if we keep raising rates

[Anonymous No.56196086]

>>56194908
Actually normalfag repellent is posting anime girls, saying nigger, and being antisemitic

[Anonymous No.56196087]

>>56196048
Couple more days. 4200 buy target.

[Anonymous No.56196091]

>>56195492
I don't look beyond 10yr myself since that's what mortgages are bench-marked on, but I think the longer durations keep marching upwards as deficits get worse. The most accurate measure of inflation is deficit spending / GDP, since that captures all the new money spent into the economy. With a current deficit of ~$2t & GDP of ~$23, that means the upper bound is about 9%. The gov tends to borrow at a discount since their objective is borrow at negative real rates, so I would say maybe 7-8% on the 20yr assuming deficits keep at 10% of GDP for an extended period.

[Anonymous No.56196101]

Check the volume.

[Anonymous No.56196103]

The 10 year will determine PE

[Anonymous No.56196105]

>>56196085
Who knew a second Pearl Harbor would be pulled off by Mrs. Watanabe?

[Anonymous No.56196110]

>>56196091
One of the strategies the government has to deal with debt it to slowly make the average duration of its bonds longer and longer. Essentially kicking the can down the road. But that can result in a snowball effect because those longer bonds demand higher yields

And so long term bonds going this high locks in american debt into a painfully high rate.

[Anonymous No.56196111]

>>56196101
Which volume?

[Anonymous No.56196120]

>>56195872
I just sold, so it's probably a great time to buy

[Anonymous No.56196132]

URANIUM CHADS STAY WINNING

[Anonymous No.56196133]

>>56196111
Probably SPY or SPX for the past few days but hoo boy TLT is a funny one.

[Anonymous No.56196140]

>>56196012
The fed can control money supply to take boomer cash into account. Cost of labour is a problem but automation (+AI), immigration, and trade will help alleviate it.
We will see, I agree next 6 months look mighty rough but I’m optimistic for May onward. Plus things are looking so bleak online I’m starting to get Dec 16th vibes.
I went 80% TQQQ in Jan, got made fun of relentlessly, and made 1.4 mil in 7 months. Time will tell buddy, one of us will be laughing which is why I disdain politics and love the markets.

[Anonymous No.56196150]

>>56196091

[Anonymous No.56196161]

>>56195882
Tell me, who does the US owe all of this money to? Lmao

[Anonymous No.56196166]

>>56196161
the people who hold bonds

[Anonymous No.56196176]

>>56196161
Shut the fuck up, Krugman.

[Anonymous No.56196178]

>>56196161
jews

[Anonymous No.56196182]

>>56196091
> The most accurate measure of inflation is deficit spending / GDP, since that captures all the new money spent into the economy.
Never heard of this, anything I can read to back it up?
>>56196110
I’m totally expecting 50 year bonds soon. The crazy part is how well they will sell too.

[Anonymous No.56196185]

time traveler anons, whats gonna happen to WBA?

[Anonymous No.56196197]

>>56196176
Federal reserve is running off 60billion of treasuries into the market each month.

[Anonymous No.56196209]

>>56196185
It gets taken over by women (men) who can dunk and becomes popular

[Anonymous No.56196210]

>>56196197
Yes, and that's approximately fuck all in the grand scheme of things. The point is midwits always go "debt doesn't matter, it's money we owe ourselves!" without thinking what happens if you tear up all the bonds in the social security trust fund or CalPERS.

To say nothing of the holes blown in corporate balance sheets and 401ks. Or all future debt now having an Argentina premium tacked on.

[Anonymous No.56196217]

>>56196185
I don’t know much, but I do know their Dividend yield will fall. That you can count on.

[Anonymous No.56196224]

>>56196105
>Mrs. Watanabe?
Based jap wives killing the amerimutt economy, with just a few clicks.

[Anonymous No.56196228]

>>56196182
You bet your fucking ass I'd buy a 50 yeartips bond

[Anonymous No.56196232]

>>56195124
Fuck European open

[Anonymous No.56196234]

>5.7 1 year CD
Why even bother

[Anonymous No.56196237]

>>56196185
Brand deal with onlyfans where they sell dick pics to keep the stadiums open.

[Anonymous No.56196238]

>>56196224
What's more destructive: a Mitsubishi A6M Zero or a JGB yielding 1%? The answer may surprise you!

[Anonymous No.56196247]

>>56195913
>futures
it seems they have returned for the evening

[Anonymous No.56196251]

Buddy.. if yields keep going up like this for even the next couple of days, it is unironically over
I know it gets said a lot "It's happening!" over the years, but it is unironically happening right now
If they keep selling the bonds, we will have the systemic risk event blow out
It is way more likely that buyers come in, even if it is the Fed themselves, but we are literally days away from financial armageddon, IF bonds continue to sell off at the pace they have been selling at

[Anonymous No.56196253]

>>56196228
Why do you like tips over gold?
I ask because I’m stuck owning a Russian gold mine I can’t trade and probably won’t be able to trade till Putin dies in 20 years.

[Anonymous No.56196257]

>>56195124
>… damn it seriously sucks there’s no guaranteed strategies, I’m doomed
There is. It's just really slow and you might be underwater for 10-15 years if the timing is worst possible.

[Anonymous No.56196271]

>>56196110
I agree. Yellen still has $1.4t she can issue at the shortend to draw from RRP, so that's what I'm watching at the moment. I know this is /smg/ but arthur hayes' most recent article mentioned how borrowing isn't really a problem for the gov so long as inflation is higher than the borrowing rate. The gov gets to defacto set this as they're the ones who mint the new collateral (bonds). So long as yields are under inflation-rate, the gov is getting a free ride borrowing.

I think the pain will be more bottom up than top down. The pain of inflation is felt most by those with the least scaling earning power, wagies and fixed incoomers. Those are populous groups with strong voting power. But I think they'll support growing government, more bailouts & stimulus, which will incur more deficits & inflation. But I don't think that happens until we get our next downward shock. First comes pain, then comes overdosing on stimulus.

>>56196182
It comes from my knowledge of the monetary system, but https://cryptohayes.substack.com/p/are-we-there-yet explicity talks about. Measuring prices of goods isn't a great measure because it's obfuscated by supply/demand/technology noise. The gov creates new money when it spends it into existence with deficits. The Fed mostly only does asset swapping, but their new deferred asset is a kind of inflation too. CPI is a flawed measure imo, and it's purpose is to -under-report- inflation so all the inflation-linked liabilities of the gov, like social security and tax-deduction brackets, don't keep up. It's by design.

[Anonymous No.56196274]

>>56196140
ai is a meme
>sauce
i make "ai"
however,
eventually it will not be a meme.
nonjobs are safe for now

there's a long way to go wrt to both applying any structural optimization(no one even knows why the llms are good)

and then further we are at basically 0% hardware optimization when it comes to running live models and training.

its like when man first invented the horsedrawn plow and said "if we only had a billion horses then no one would ever go hungry" and proceeded to breed horses like none other

[Anonymous No.56196278]

>>56196253
Because tips are the only asset class that guarantees real even if small returns. And I see inflation as a wealth tax, and pretty much expect america to try and print all its problems away

also Executive Order 6102

[Anonymous No.56196285]

"Now everyone knows the best employees are alcoholics, because their lives are spiraling out of control so rapidly they cannot afford to miss a day of work for you"

I just found the machiavelli of the 2000s dropping forbidden knowledge to the masses.

[Anonymous No.56196289]

>>56196251
Biden is runing the ship into the ground. He makes 2 trillion deficit this year alone. Of course rates are exploding
Its over

[Anonymous No.56196300]

>>56196278
Inflation works well as long as you let the labour market wages squeeze in return, but you don't squeeze it so fast that capital begins to flee. It's gotta be the slow squeeze.

[Anonymous No.56196308]

>>56196278
I don't think tips keep up with monetary debasement, because CPI under-reports actual monetary inflation. The gov also has an incentive to lie to keep low for all kinds of benchmarks and payments linked to it. But I think that's more my own disagreement for the "real" rate of inflation is. My view on tips at least is that they are a CPI-linked bond, so it's putting your faith in CPI being accurate.

[Anonymous No.56196327]

>>56196278
>Because tips are the only asset class that guarantees real even if small returns
When are we going to report service people for taking tips and not reporting them

[Anonymous No.56196346]

>>56194949
fuckin' BASED

[Anonymous No.56196357]

>>56196274
Agree, that’s why I put it in brackets. It’s neat but way over hyped.
That must be a sweet job, being a pioneer at the forefront of change.

[Anonymous No.56196359]

>>56196285
I miss the most work and have the worst performance when hungover.

[Anonymous No.56196364]

>>56194932
RIP Tinny (only oldfags will get this).

[Anonymous No.56196367]

>>56194839
September was supposed to be the month when everything blew up. Ooo just trust the plan, two more weeks, muh quad witching, muh yom kippur, muh german pmi
Nothing ever happens and everyone is larping.

[Anonymous No.56196373]

>>56196308
Because CPI is pozzed I’ve heard the trick is to look at export cost of goods. It’s up 30% sine 2020 which sounds right to me.

[Anonymous No.56196379]

>>56196367
bonds did blow on the long end. They have lost 17% or more of their value so far this year and they're supposed to be "safe"

[Anonymous No.56196380]

>>56196367
September is no over

[Anonymous No.56196384]

Is something wrong with japan or why dump?

[Anonymous No.56196385]

[Anonymous No.56196395]

[Anonymous No.56196399]

>>56196289
Such a productive insightful SMG than one of these fags come along. Given me a lot to think about. Im tapping out. Night y’all.

[Anonymous No.56196402]

>>56196385
agreed

[Anonymous No.56196409]

>>56196395
this

[Anonymous No.56196429]

>>56196373
>export cost of goods
Which category from Fred? Commodity? Durables? All? 30% does feel about right, but it's an interesting dimension to approach price inflation. Definitely untainted by (((hedonics))) at minimum.

[Anonymous No.56196437]

>>56196271
ur good only place to talk about real macro is here

[Anonymous No.56196438]

>>56196385
>>56196395

[Anonymous No.56196447]

>>56196384
Yes. High oil prices -> inflation -> destroyed Yen -> MOF defends line in sand USDJPY value due to samurai autism -> global rates heemed.

[Anonymous No.56196451]

This is the best /smg/ ever.

[Anonymous No.56196465]

>>56196364
I'll never forget when he sold Gamestop at a loss before the moass

[Anonymous No.56196491]

>>56196465
historic, epic, trading story
that an autistic neet went without food, videogames, entertainment, for almost a year, saved and used his neetbux chasing GME, believing in it wholeheartedly, had dozens of OTM calls, missed the squeeze by days

[Anonymous No.56196492]

There's some big stuff trending downward in the HOOD 24 hr market including VOO.

[Anonymous No.56196493]

>>56196451
I also feel really good about this thread.

[Anonymous No.56196501]

>>56196491
I arrived in September of 2021 so I didn't know he was in GME for almost a year before that lmao

[Anonymous No.56196502]

>bought $5k+ of a stock that was mentioned in /smg/
>soon after it loses 35% of its value

I am so sick of this...

[Anonymous No.56196515]

>>56196502
should have bought the stock 4u

[Anonymous No.56196519]

>>56196274
Women breed horses though

[Anonymous No.56196524]

>>56196438
iktf

[Anonymous No.56196525]

>>56196502
But have you learned how to profit off this new experience?

[Anonymous No.56196538]

Lmao suddenly at 8pm SOXL takes a fat shit but none of the underlying do the same. Hmmm I wonder who could be behind this...

[Anonymous No.56196546]

>>56196538
imagine still holding soxl

[Anonymous No.56196547]

>>56196525
yeah, in 10 years if i keep holding perhaps my stock will rally

[Anonymous No.56196552]

>>56196502
Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.56196555]

>>56196502
>not DCAing

[Anonymous No.56196561]

>>56196538
is this a joke post
are you epic trolling us by pretending to be dumb about 8pm close

[Anonymous No.56196564]

>>56196546
Yeah imagine buying at 6 and having it be 18+ now, who would settle for a pitiful 300%?!

Seriously though who the fuck says "sure let's have the triple leveraged ETF move 24hrs a day but not the underlying ETF it tracks"

[putsRnotDaWae No.56196579]

So boboids, what did we learn? Are you morons ready to admit that the dump is over? 4300 was the absolute bottom.

[Anonymous No.56196582]

>>56196579
Are you retarded? Have you look at bond yields?

[Anonymous No.56196590]

my shorts are all loaded
but no sign of the crash
though i'm mostly concerned
by this unsightly rash

[Anonymous No.56196596]

>>56196582
no, I haven't seen how I can almost lock in a 20 year treasury at 5% Nope.

[Anonymous No.56196598]

Anons, I need the rundown on LSTA. I'm about to go all in on my wagebucks

[Anonymous No.56196607]

>>56196357
not as glam as ud think cause most of the(managements') angle rn is grifting.
past series a no point in innovating just plug n chug money 4 shareholders minimize downsides(model outputting racist notwrong shit)

look into anyone who's actually making new hardware for transformer models beyond nvidia. it won't happen now but it will be a thing within half a decade. current strategies are basically bruteforce.

the real money is selling shovels

[Anonymous No.56196616]

>futures

[Anonymous No.56196623]

>>56196579
We’re plummeting down to 3500 before we get back to 4500 at this rate

[Anonymous No.56196624]

When and where will (U) bottom?

[Anonymous No.56196625]

>>56196519
yes for hobby entertainment not for greater good classic women

[putsRnotDaWae No.56196626]

>>56196582
Boomer tier dogshit that doesn't outperform inflation.

[Anonymous No.56196631]

>>56194932
Also rocker.

[Anonymous No.56196632]

>>56196623
Lol how the fuck do you say this shit with a straight face

[Anonymous No.56196636]

>>56196624
never. i'll never give up the buss.

[Anonymous No.56196640]

>>56196636
lmaoooo

[Anonymous No.56196647]

is new england in fall a meme?
my wife wants to do a 'gilmore girls road trip' (ghey i know)
but i've always wanted to go to maine since i read the MASH books, and i am a bit of a maple fiend

[Anonymous No.56196650]

>>56196032
I don't mean to rain on your non-heterosexual parade but at no point in the past 3 days has anyone mentioned FEMY, why would anyone buy something no one has heard of and hasn't been mentioned on /biz/? Seek religion and stop expecting people to pump your pennystock bags when you're in the "I will never post anything good on /biz/ until after it pumped massively, making me a spiritual Pajeet".

[Anonymous No.56196658]

>>56196048
Cup and handle :)

[Anonymous No.56196660]

>>56196658
cup and handle deez nuts

[Anonymous No.56196661]

>>56196632
Because permabulls hang their hats on unemployment when it’s always the last domino to fall when bears are watching the bond market screaming that trouble is coming

[Anonymous No.56196686]

>>56196661
Muh dominos

Christ the shit you guys say gets old so fast and then when it turns out you were totally wrong you just act like you never said anything and move on to the next idiotic incorrect bullshit

[Guy who shorted a stock everyone knew is going down anyways No.56196692]

I Warned You About TTOO.

[Anonymous No.56196695]

>>56196647
If you've never lived in an area where the leaves change color then yeah it's worthwhile. It is very pretty.

[Anonymous No.56196697]

I bought the Cracker Barrel dip today. What untold riches am I in for bros?
>the country ham is to die for

[Anonymous No.56196704]

>>56196502
10 years ago there were still smartyboys on 4chan but nowadays it's mostly normalfags and idiots, so you get people trying to scam or convince you of the worst stuff possible. Once in a blue moon they might be right.

[Anonymous No.56196715]

XLE, please go down so i can buy in. i'm also half tempted to close my position in PLTR for the sake of more money into XLE

[Anonymous No.56196729]

>>56196686
>dodging the argument with insults instead of addressing the point

[Anonymous No.56196736]

>>56196686
You're scared.
We can smell your blood.

[Anonymous No.56196743]

>>56196729
Lmao the point is that you idiots literally never run out of fud to freak the fuck out about. You're sensationalist, emotional traders and you seem to be utterly unable to work within time frames longer than a few weeks. You were totally wrong last year and you're wrong again this time.

[Anonymous No.56196744]

>>56196692
Who?

[Anonymous No.56196747]

Baking.

[Anonymous No.56196753]

>>56195101
If the government defaults then the dollar rugs and USD-denominated Apple bonds are worthless anyway.

[Anonymous No.56196761]

>>56196753
The US will never default and anyone who believes they will should be banned from trading or voting

[Anonymous No.56196763]

>>56196743
Wrong about what?
The S&P dumped from 4800 to 3600.
The market hasnt gone anywhere for two years by now.

[Anonymous No.56196769]

>>56195123
if TV tells you to buy it's a confirm sell

[Anonymous No.56196772]

>>56196697
What's your thesis? I don't think people who are below 50 and/or aren't white will ever go to Cracker Barrel.

[Guy who shorted a stock everyone knew is going down anyways No.56196773]

You. Know. Who.

[Anonymous No.56196774]

>>56196743
Nah your port will be obliterated and you’ll lose your job. I know you’re just >>56196626 using different VPNs. Just because we’re going to have a large correction won’t mean it’s 2008 all over again. We just need to shake out the rot in the system like you and it’ll be ok

[Anonymous No.56196775]

>>56196761
>Voting is real

[Anonymous No.56196779]

>>56196773
Is this the same guy that recommended APPS at $90?
It's $6 now.

[Anonymous No.56196785]

let's be real, the dollar collapses like an african currency, what do we use now? euro? btc?
non centralice currency sounds good but what about the escarcity, imagine if one person collects all the btc

[Anonymous No.56196790]

>>56196785
you just hit them like sonic and all the coins fall out

[Anonymous No.56196809]

>>56196772
>thesis
Just playing the dead cat bounce. I'm expecting another big pop like the previous one that went from 80 to 120. Price gets back close to 80 from here and I'm out

[Anonymous No.56196810]

>>56195298
What is opportunity cost?

[putsRnotDaWae No.56196812]

>>56196774
Meds, most posters are bullish and accusing every bullposter of being me is mental illness. You bears need to realize that the market goes up like 80% of the time, logically most market participants will be bullish as the trend is usually up. You doomers are the minority, and you rarely make any money.

[Anonymous No.56196815]

Druckenmiller said to short the dollar... so... w-when is the dollar going down? ...???

[Anonymous No.56196827]

I owe women sex. 30-50 year old post-wall women with crow's feet and sunspots. Oral sex. With no reciprocation. Business & financially speaking.

[Guy who shorted a stock everyone knew is going down anyways No.56196828]

>>56196779
holy shit i remmeber that. when i used to get cocky about my longs. yeah its a shit growth tech stock. i sold for an unironic profit after they peaked (not pretending like im a good trader lmao)
Bro that was the old me.

I just recommend shorts now. I used to shill actual dogshit on here like CRBP.

I've changed. Hahaha. Trust me. Please. Hahahaha.

[Anonymous No.56196829]

>>56196827
Based and same.

[Anonymous No.56196833]

>>56196827
Many are saying this.

[Anonymous No.56196836]

>>56196812
It's amazing how completely insane they are. Like, actually insane.

>>56196763
So we agree, the dump has already happened

[Anonymous No.56196840]

>>56196837
>>56196837
>>56196837

[Anonymous No.56196849]

>>56196828
I'm just messing with you. Saw that shit a few days ago and remembered your old thesis. I think they got fucked hard by Apple privacy changes or something.
Gratz on TTOO. Hope you pulled in a few racks off those retards.

[Anonymous No.56196914]

>>56196753
>USD-denominated
Tim would obviously convert them to a stabler currency like the Yuan or Bitcoin once rumblings of default started. Harris or AOC or Fetterman would offer no such quarter.

[Anonymous No.56196956]

>>56196833
>>56196829

so many glowies

[Anonymous No.56197313]

>>56196493
SEX

[Anonymous No.56197365]

>>56196308
They officially ran at "below target inflation" "for too long" while stock indices, real estate, shelter, healthcare, education, cars went up multiples in price.

Also your posts itt were great.

[Anonymous No.56198733]

>>56194968
Anon the Vaxx was meant to kill the weakest in the population
The otherwise healthy people have genetic defects that the vaxx found and abused