Vertical Farms

[Anonymous No.55940453]

Is vertical farming going to save us from ze bugs, or will Monsanto find a way to make it obsolete?

[Anonymous No.55940470]

>>55940453
Why don’t we just do horizontal farming on tall skyscraper like structures with hundreds of floors?

[Anonymous No.55940484]

Test

[Anonymous No.55940504]

>>55940470
I'm assuming its due to high cost of square feet already in cities that is better off towards housing tenants. The only benefit I can see with vertical farming in cities is negating transportation costs.

[Anonymous No.55940517]

>>55940470
That makes more sense in the North where the sun comes in sideways.
>>55940453
Algae farming works better in urban environments than this IMO.

[Anonymous No.55940538]

>>55940453
No matter how you shape it, the amount of solar energy an area receives is the same.
If you put your farm in a skyscraper, you just create a shadow over what could be productive land. You are not getting free solar energy, you are taking away it from nearby land
And if you use artificial lighting, you add an additional expensive energy input

The Netherlands have more or less perfected the high-intensity farming technology
>Flat "horizontal" farm covered in glass to provide optimal temperature and humidity even out of season

[Anonymous No.55940571]

>>55940538
That looks pretty ingenious. Is there a reason it isn't attempted in colder climates in north america? no demand I presume.

[Anonymous No.55940680]

why cant you focus light on a solar panel

[Anonymous No.55940715]

>>55940470
Imagine not being all in on vertical farming on vertical structures.
>2023
>still thinking horizontal

[Anonymous No.55940753]

>>55940453
A Frame structures work better the problem with vertical is you're fighting gravity and water can fall to fast

[Anonymous No.55940765]

>>55940571
Netherlands is at the same latitude as fucking Edmonton. Its a lot less harsh due to being on the coast, but it still means that temperate plants like tomatoes wont yield shit unless artificially heated.
Also, farmland is a lot more expensive there, so farmers try to squeeze as much as possible from it.

[Anonymous No.55940769]

>>55940571
The Dutch are you usually at least a decade ahead of everybody when it comes to greenhouse innovation

[Anonymous No.55940791]

>>55940571
>glass greenhouse
>ingenious

Lol

[Anonymous No.55940857]

>>55940470
the vertical configuration like >>55940453 is the best design.
easy to walk through the garden aisles and perform maintenance.
there's very little waste water, water goes from top to bottom.
light comes in from the middle, plants on both sides, good use of energy.
AND, not so obvious from the picture, but all those tubes of plants are hanging from a track up top. so it's also really easy to move your plants around. kind of like a barn door or a meat hook.

[Anonymous No.55940881]

>>55940453
absolutely not. You can only grow zero calorie leafy greens with vertical/hydroponic farms. I guess nice for people that want fresh local salad in the city, but its not going to sustain anyone.

[Anonymous No.55940910]

>>55940791
yea, I'm offended by that statement as well. classic europoor arrogance.
>>55940769
and yet Israel was the first to create a fully automated lettuce factory greenhouse.
the lettuce grows on styrofoam blocks in a hydroponics system, which slowly moves the lettuce from one side of the factory to the other, over the course of 30 days (If I remember right), and then automatically is packaged and dropped into a truck.

[Anonymous No.55940983]

>>55940571
the netherlands is not even that harsh of a climate.
people farm in Alaska, far harsher conditions, without a greenhouse.
you make large compost piles out of hay, toss it ontop of the soil.
can't plant in the ground because you have permafrost 1' down, 80%+ of Alaska is permafrost.
but these large compost piles, all the bugs working on decomposition keeps the layer above ground pretty warm.
and what is REALLY interesting, because they farm vegetables in really cold weather, the plants produce more sugar, so you end up with super sweet rhubarb or beets (or lettuce, whatever).

[Anonymous No.55940992]

>>55940791
I mean shit its better than building solar panels with a limited lifespan and less maintenance.

[Anonymous No.55940994]

I am invested in my local vertical farm manufacturer
( https://fundwise.me/et/pitch/rohefarm )
and you should be too

[Anonymous No.55940999]

>>55940453
won't work for cows
which is by far one of the greatest gifts from The Lord

[Anonymous No.55941040]

>>55940999
Lotta these people don't account for soil depletion.

If you're adding synthetic nutrients you're just doing lab grown bullshit and will never taste the same or have the same nutritional value.

[Anonymous No.55941047]

>>55940504
they are efficient space wise.
climate controlled.
water/nutrient efficient.
and the yields are often 2-3x larger per plant because you're growing the plants in optimal conditions.
indoor farming can help alleviate 'food deserts'.
they are also useful in places like the middle east, where they don't have water they can waste.
or a place like china where the soil is toxic from industrial pollution.
the only downside is they're more expensive in the short term.

[Anonymous No.55941108]

>>55941040
Very real concern, dont want tomatoes that end up tasting like dirt

>>55941047
Very interesting insights Anon

[Anonymous No.55941120]

>>55940994
that farm is poorly designed.
either they waste all the vertical space (pic related) or they spend half their day on a scissor lift.
and having to dedicate lights on each shelf, that's wasting so much energy off to the sides.
it's like you guys gave them 100k euro but nobody could be bothered to research the project and talk to the americans before they started.

[Anonymous No.55941293]

>>55941120
pc case fans, retard level wiring and zoomer scooters. i have seen enough.

[Anonymous No.55941313]

>>55940470
Jews.

[Anonymous No.55941405]

>>55940453
>>55940857
where does the co2 come from you retards?

[Anonymous No.55941473]

>>55940453
>>55940470


I am an agricultural engineer and there is government pushback. I submitted something along the lines of what the Venus Project advocated for, Jacque Fresco took a look at my blueprints and told me to "submit it if you think it will change the world" and so I did. The patent claims office was interjected as I'm told, by the Department of Agriculture of the United States so my patent never even saw review. Certain patents such as vertical farming, thick light fixture filaments to last hundreds of years, hyro- powered engines and many more inventions have been absolutely denied.

Now I just sit in a workshop and help repair farming equipment. Before Jacque Fresco died he had told a group of people including myself basically that the people in charge don't want progressive change because progress is bad for business.

My seven story food tower would have been able to feed five hundred people on an 8 by 8 foot square of land depending on where you build it and what you plant. It would even allow barren land to produce food as it is encapsulated and needs minimally functioning heating. Especially potatoes, it would have revolutionized the world using massive tower based aeroponic farming.

But I am not the only one who has been denied a patent. Others before me even had an ingenious conveyor belt system that would routinely roll to certain spots for maximum fruit and vegetables production based on time of day, climate outside and for harvesting, filling with conpost and watering. But that alone is seventy years old. None of these inventions will see the light of day. And no matter how much I fought I was ignored. And no matter what you people say about my work I am already defeated so your words don't mean much to me. Look upon yourselves if you are young enough and try to live your own life before there isn't much worth living for.

[Anonymous No.55941482]

>>55941405
Ill let someone smarter then me explain this but I don't run out of oxygen and choke if I sit in my room all day.

[Anonymous No.55941520]

>>55941473
>But I am not the only one who has been denied a patent. Others before me even had an ingenious conveyor belt system that would routinely roll to certain spots for maximum fruit and vegetables production based on time of day
Say, what if you were to do something like this on your own property, without guv intervention in areas that may benefit from the methods?

[Anonymous No.55941652]

>>55941520
I do shrimp farming now and use their wastes on a little aquatic farm I use for seaweeds. Aside from that I have my own land and my project is too expensive. I would need to take a big loan out and it would take me a long time to pay if off. Even if I did make my own self sustaining tower I would only be found dead a year later in an unfortunate drone accident or anything equivalently unbelievable as that. Trust me, I have thought and tried to do everything already. Unironically I know how to make a meal worm farm using my plant leftovers as well so in theory as long as I have power I can live off the grid without anyone interfering with me anyway. I'm not saying eat bugs but if it's free protein for you and for chickens why not?

But that's me. I have tried everything. I hope one day the government gets turned inside out by angry, hungry sheboons.

[Anonymous No.55941738]

>>55941473
>>55941652
what did you think a 7 story high farm design was different enough to warrant patent protection?
I also don't understand why your story would be any different if the government had granted you patent protection. you would still need to build the farm.
and what is this business conspiracy you're talking about, indoor hydroponic/aquaponic farming can be lucrative and profitable, given you control for ideal light wavelengths, nutrient content, temperature, and water conditions, all optimally, and grow premium organic produce with 2-3x the yield for the same square footage.
both your posts sound like a gay larp.

[Anonymous No.55941800]

>>55941738
1. I make some money on the side with hydroponics but under the table. Therefore I cannot just do whatever I want with the money I have managed to save.

2. I cannot make my tower because the investors that were interested are either dead or don't care now. The condition set forth was that it first be patented so that they could begin marketing, manufacturing and taking a 70% profit. I didn't file the patent under my own name rather under the behest of an investor/inventor partner I had, who has since passed away.

Not all patents may be pursued if there is no interest in it. There are other reasons why I can't go into business myself or even give some college kid my works so they can do something with it. But I can't talk about those reasons on here and frankly it's private. If you don't believe me you can look up denied patents and the situation surrounding them in technology and industry. Jews own the market entirely is the gist of it.

[Anonymous No.55941854]

We could save the world but they literally don't want this to happen

[Anonymous No.55941857]

>>55941800
sounds even more like a gay larp because you didn't address the questions I asked, then told me you weren't even actually the inventor, who is now dead, and even though he's dead, for private reasons, you can't tell me what's so special about the farm that warranted a patent to begin with.

[Anonymous No.55941872]

>>55940538
And some are now using CO2 fertilization to increase yields.

[Anonymous No.55941901]

>>55941652
Shrimp, fish and and small aquatic farming piqued my interest not long ago. Do you believe there is a genuine future for these patents down the line? or do they have a good enough incentive to stop anyone from pursuing these projects?

[Anonymous No.55942002]

>>55941857
It's not a farm... it's a tower. It is self sustaining and requires no intervention until harvesting. I was the inventor. He was also an inventor, with more money than me.

>>55941901
Depends on if fish and wild game gets any more cucked to the government. There is always going to be pushback from nearly anything that benefits living off the grid or making a decent living that isn't taxed. Indoor aquatic farming has probably more potential than even I had with my inventions so I'd say the answer is yes there is a great future for it. For patents I'm not sure, there are companies that already do it but if we are talking industrialized versions of it to feed cities it would be a government-ran project. You can technically farm your own fish and shrimp to a certain point but I'm not sure what those figures are where they cut if off after a certain threshold. In my mind I don't see them allowing you to harvest 1000 swai to sell them locally without having a form of permit and certification of fish and credentials. I just have a five hundred gallon that I harvest every couple months.

[Anonymous No.55942025]

>>55940453
ITT: People who don't know about syntropic agriculture
>designed by a swiss farmer who regenerated 500 hectares of rainforest by hand
>minimum input, maximum output
>biodiverse enough to get all the ecological benefits, and yet orderly enough to be able to mechanize it (not required though)
>single-handedly saves the planet

[Anonymous No.55942136]

>>55942025
I've learned so much from this thread alone

>>55942002
>For patents I'm not sure, there are companies that already do it but if we are talking industrialized versions of it to feed cities it would be a government-ran project.

Perhaps government would need to be involved in large scale farming in cities.

>>55941047
>indoor farming can help alleviate 'food deserts'

Something like this seems ideal for this application if were talking about self sustaining communities.

[Anonymous No.55942164]

>>55940453
I don’t know, but one of my investments, O Realty (ticker O) is invested in it.

[Anonymous No.55942331]

>>55942136
>Something like this seems ideal for this application if were talking about self sustaining communities.
forget the community, it's good business. food deserts pay a premium for fresh produce.
>>55941901
>do they have a good enough incentive to stop anyone from pursuing these projects?
the agricultural industry pays shit. has shit margins. really capital intensive.
no one stopping anyone, but every day more farmers go out of business and the ones left over get bigger and bigger until they're overleveraged and go bankrupt as well.
but we've seen quite a few technological improvements,
genetically modified crops, drought resistant, larger
self-driving tractors, plants/harvests automatically
drones that fly over fields, detect soil quality, detect what's getting water and what isn't.
traditional farming is always cheaper by square footage then indoor farming because you don't pay to use the sun.
it's a bit funny hearing you comb through these posts because you led with the best indoor farm design that exists right now. >>55940453

[Anonymous No.55942372]

>>55942164
>$1 Billion
>120 acres
>indoor vertical farm
>https://www.plenty(.)ag/
based

[Anonymous No.55942439]

with vertical farming you have those tracks the plants hang off
and your energy costs are ridiculous
what if you let your plants out to see the sun when the weather is nice, like we do with chickens
'free range' vertical farming
it's on a track, so you could just slide them all outside, use the sun, it's free, instead of LEDs

[Anonymous No.55942486]

>>55940571
>Is there a reason it isn't attempted in colder climates in north America?
You can't compete with cheap imports from warm countries. Think how much it would cost to heat that huge, poorly insulated, area.

[Anonymous No.55942529]

>>55941047
>indoor farming can help alleviate 'food deserts'.
Created by the people who live there robbing and burning everyone selling food out.
>the only downside is they're more expensive in the short term.
They are absurdly expensive in the short, medium, and long term. Your competing with free sun, rain, soil. The single benefit is the shorter transport distance. Which is overshadowed by the insane difference in real estate costs.

[Anonymous No.55942599]

>>55942439
Give this man a Nobel prize

[Anonymous No.55942681]

>>55942331
>forget the community, it's good business.
Sometimes they don't even have access to produce in parts of Appalachia. I wont be the arbiter of good character if someone charges premium to poors.

[Anonymous No.55942740]

>>55942439
>'free range' vertical farming
https://youtu.be/y4rMkIZv_nk?t=155

[Anonymous No.55943662]

>>55940453
>lettuce sells for like 5 cents per hundred pounds
>let's build a 10 million dollar facility to for 100 pounds of lettuce per year

[Anonymous No.55944177]

>>55940453
>>55940470
it cost lot of money to operate
it is not yet profitable

[Anonymous No.55944211]

We make enough food to feed 10x the population every year.
Warlords and Wallstreet don't care about feeding people.

[Anonymous No.55944257]

>>55942439
There are already circular greenhouse designs that rotate the plants inside for maximum, even sunlight exposure.

[Anonymous No.55944263]

>>55944177
it will be. once they've perfected the dutch farming ban experiment they will move it all over.

[Anonymous No.55944270]

>>55941473
If its so good upload your designs on open source ecology. You are not going to become a billionaire through patents they are a century old meme, give it to the Chinese so they can stop eating the oceans dry.

[Anonymous No.55944276]

>>55940538
Exactly. Vertical farming is not worth the expense to construct or maintain.

[Anonymous No.55944308]

>>55941473
bad larp
>>55941738
this

[Anonymous No.55944341]

>>55943662
We are going to save SO much money!

[Anonymous No.55944345]

>>55944211
You gunna personally drive the excess food around deliverying it to hungry people?

[Anonymous No.55944565]

>>55944345
No.
I'm saying fuck anyone worried about making more food.
Make governments accountable for getting it delivered and make them murder criminals more efficiently.

[Anonymous No.55944587]

>>55940453
You need nuclear energy to make it work Electricity still cost too much we are not ready yet

[Anonymous No.55944589]

>>55944565
The poor are obese in the west.

[Anonymous No.55944600]

>>55944345
Anon, they have a name: Africans

[Anonymous No.55944603]

>>55942331
Can you explain me more how big companus overleverage and go broke if they monopolize then they will not go broke

[Anonymous No.55944628]

>>55941473
>the people in charge don't want progressive change because progress is bad for business.

you can call (the people in charge), jews

[Anonymous No.55944668]

>>55944603
Most large scale farming requires ever more expensive and diminishing fertilizers. Not to mention one bad year of weather can start a debt spiral if there's already existing leverage. Farms are consolidating like crazy, so whatever collapses just gets gobbled up by competitors.

[Anonymous No.55944703]

>>55944668
So because we are with high interest rates its possible that big farms overleverage making them uncompetitive and broke leaving the third world farmers win as the new rulers, basically my question is this just a consecuence of accelerationism, if profits are close to 0 and vertical farming becomes suddenly viable then its over for farming as an industry because it becomes so cheaper to produce.

[Anonymous No.55944862]

>>55943662
It would be more practical for nutrient dense foods like strawberries or raspberries/blackberries if at all possible.

[Anonymous No.55945261]

>>55944565
this doesnt work when civil servants are the criminals though

[Anonymous No.55946520]

>>55940453
it doesnt save space retard now you gutta get a warehouse thats taller instead of wider holy fuck dumbass

[Anonymous No.55946816]

>>55941473
Post images of this tower then, 8x8ft is fucking tiny to support a structure like that without uber stronk foundations

[Anonymous No.55947088]

>>55944177
The Japanese have been decades ahead of everyone on vertical farming and hydroponics. If they pump in carbon dioxide into an well managed enclosed space they can be profitable as the plants grow much more robustly though still not as profitable as conventional farming. It’s not space that’s the issue, it’s cost variables. One farmer with a modern tractor and a few hectares of land is going to be more productive and profitable than a guy in a building paying for all the equipment and the building itself.

[Anonymous No.55947205]

>>55941047
All of this is utter bullshit. My city subsidised a 'city farm' which tried these new innovative methods. Turns out it's shit. It's not profitable to produce fucking tomatoes ultra efficiently on high value land. You'll be out competed by someone who's producing tomatoes highly efficiently on low value land.

[Anonymous No.55947221]

>>55940910
Those are some shitty looking lettuces

[Anonymous No.55947250]

>>55940470
Same reason warehouses don't have different floors dumbass.

[Anonymous No.55947258]

>>55940484
This post didn't work. Just trying to help.

[Anonymous No.55947325]

>>55947221
sorry this real vegetable doesn't resemble your nitrated, butter drenched american bullshit

[Anonymous No.55947350]

>>55940910
>fully automated lettuce factory greenhouse.
>steals land and water from palestine and makes them operate the facility
INGENIUS.

[Anonymous No.55947862]

>>55947325
I'm Dutch. Those are some garbage lettuces and you're hard coping. Happy you Jews are getting replaced by Arab muslims in Israel.

[Anonymous No.55948596]

>>55941652
>indoor shrimp farming
fuck off lol you almost had me

[Anonymous No.55948604]

>>55948596
This isn't something new.

[Anonymous No.55948896]

>>55947205
maybe your city sucks dick at farming.
cities aren't usually known for farming, so it makes sense they'd suck dick.

[Anonymous No.55948902]

>>55947221
>Those are some shitty looking lettuces
given they're grown in a DESERT, they're pretty solid.

[Anonymous No.55948922]

>>55941473
you should just build it anyways on a smaller scale and make yt vids about it. If people are interested, then you'd convince others to do the same. Change requires actions, not bureaucracy. You certainly would not get rich off it as it'd be copied, but at least you could start to make it more mainstream.

[Anonymous No.55950347]

>>55940538
>Flat "horizontal" farm covered in glass to provide optimal temperature and humidity even out of season
A greenhouse?