/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.54836859]

Should multibillion dollar industries have very low staffing?

[Anonymous No.54836965]

Twitter was a big gamble for him.
If he can't install doge on twitter, he'll be broke old faq.

[Anonymous No.54836999]

>>54836859
>NOOO!!!! YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!! WE NEED THOUSANDS OF DEVELOPERS ALL MAKING $275K A YEAR TO MAINTAIN A GLORIFIED RSS FEED!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.54837076]

>>54836999
You do realize was built a decade ago

[Anonymous No.54837101]

>>54836859
Have high employment is actually one way to prevent competition. They can't do shit to you if yo u hire all the able people.

[Anonymous No.54837151]

>>54836859
This nigger is beyond retarded.
>reeee he's the greatest genius on the earth and mars and universe

[Anonymous No.54837184]

Still too many

[Anonymous No.54837195]

>>54836859
Most Twitter employees were censoring tweets and whatnot, they are not actually needed

[Anonymous No.54837211]

>>54836859
Musk's handling of twitter has been beyond retarded. He seems to think it's just a personal platform for he ego stoking. It's not. It's an ad platform. 1000 employees isn't enough to run the place, filter out the trolls, and solicit for ad revenue.

[Anonymous No.54837219]

>>54836999
i actually made a mostly-functional clone of twitter's backend in django just from downloading a bunch of pages as html and creating handlers for each button/form one by one. Took me about two weeks to get 95% of them working. For all I know someone is still using it to generate scrapers and bots

[Anonymous No.54837225]

>>54837151
he is retarded but laying off codeniggers was a 200 IQ move
>NOO!!!! HE CAN''T DO THAT!!!! THE WEBSITE IS GOING TO CRASH!!!!!! NOOO!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.54837270]

>>54837211
This. He's probably going to end up sued because he's not properly moderating illegal activity as pirating is sky rocketing on Twitter right now.

[Anonymous No.54837306]

>>54837151
>This loser, the most successful man in history, and the richest man on the planet is so much dumber than myself, a NEET incel right-wing chud on 4chan, if only I wasn't being oppressed by the Jews I too would be the richest most successful man on the planet

[Anonymous No.54837313]

>>54837270
Pirating?

[Anonymous No.54837349]

>>54837306
Most successful man in history
Huehue
Imaging being this ignorant.
That's the problem with you americucks: you think more is always better.

[Anonymous No.54837372]

>>54837306
Elon is a 4chud user, too, and so is his ex Grincrimes

[Anonymous No.54837427]

>>54837313
Yes Elon. It's over.
https://fortune.com/2023/05/01/super-mario-bros-movie-avatar-2-twitter-pirate-stream/

[Anonymous No.54837504]

>>54837270
>>54837313
>>54837427
Yeah the pirating of the mario movie is way worse than all the captain planet which was allegedly being traded on the platform under previous admins. I fucking hate jews.

[Anonymous No.54837561]

>>54836999
>glorified RSS feed
kek

[Anonymous No.54837602]

B-But the right told me billionaires were job creators! What happened?!

[Anonymous No.54837658]

>>54836859
Twitter is only a multi-billion dollar company if you're talking about debt.

[Anonymous No.54837683]

>>54836859
>Should multibillion dollar industries have very low staffing?

The value doesn't matter. It's a website and a pretty old one(more than 15yo).

You don't need 7k employees to keep a consolidated website online.

Twitter was throwing a lot of money paying bloated salaries for useless people.(a lot of silicon valley business do this)

[Anonymous No.54837829]

>>54837683
A lot of companies are doing this.
On which planet are you living?
We had no actual growth for more than 50y world wide. Efficancy is long gone.

[Anonymous No.54837864]

>>54837829
>A lot of companies are doing this.

yeah i said that but twitter is not a public company anymore. You can't just throw somebody elses money on fire. He is the one paying for the waste

[Anonymous No.54837905]

>>54837864
Sure. However he intends to sell it on the nyse.
That's a business model for over 50y. Take it from the stock market and sell it back. One of the reasons we are in this mess.

[Anonymous No.54837968]

>>54836859
Eventually it will be all billionaires running their AI. Rest is worthless biomass.

[Anonymous No.54838007]

>>54837683
Why are Elon fanboys like this? Getting rid of 88% of your staff is insane. At this point Elon is just trying to pocket as much of Twitter as he can before releasing his own version

[Anonymous No.54838052]

>>54838007
>Why are Elon fanboys like this?

I'm not a fan of his.

But as a software dev, it doesn't make sense to have 7k employees for a website that is not new.

people are not entitled to jobs,either you're needed or you're not. There is too much waste in silicon valley and this recession is showing that.

[Anonymous No.54838087]

>>54838052
You underestimate eu laws

[Anonymous No.54838101]

>>54838007
To drop his doge on his crowd after using it as twitter credits. That worked well with reddit credits, lol.

[Anonymous No.54838116]

>>54837306
There's a couple of misapprehensions in your post

[Anonymous No.54838120]

>>54837968
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Code an ai and see its limits.
Psyop casualty that you are. Don't repeat everything cnn shits in your brain.

[Anonymous No.54838270]

>>54838052
>Just keep laying off workers! I'll go well! T-They're wasting your money
Sounds like an Elon fanboy to me.

[Anonymous No.54838309]

>>54838270
>just keep people around getting paid 6 figures doing nothing

sounds like a redditor to me

[Anonymous No.54838390]

>>54838007
I don't know what the hardware costs would be, but Twitter was spending probably a billion a quarter on salaries with minimal results.

[Anonymous No.54838565]

>>54838309
>JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LET 5,000 PEOPLE GET FIRED DUMB LIBKEK THEY'LL ALL USELESS COMPARED TO OUR GOD ELON

[Anonymous No.54838577]

>>54838565
get a real job communist nigger

[Anonymous No.54838612]

>>54837225
Heheh Muskrat btfo he's finished without new color gradient of refresh button for 250k per year

[Anonymous No.54838647]

>>54836859
>multibillion dollar
Is this supposed to be a lot of money in 2023?

[Anonymous No.54838794]

>>54838577
>G-Get a job...W-WAIT NOT THAT JOB A REAL JOB!!
>You're a communist if you prefer job creation over lay offs

[Anonymous No.54838858]

>>54837306
mmmm this bait is juuust right
good job

[Anonymous No.54839015]

>>54837211
Twitter is now essentially the Tesla marketing division and the Tesla political action committee. No money needs to ever change hands.

Also, supposedly Musk wants to expand Twitter into a WeChat style app. Apart from ads, WeChat makes money from, among other things, account verification, transaction fees and sale commissions

[Anonymous No.54839075]

>>54837211
Twitter is functionally equivalent to a Tesla marketing division and a Tesla political action committee.

Also, supposedly Musk wants to expand Twitter into a WeChat style app. Apart from ads, WeChat makes money from, among other things, account verification, transaction fees and sale commissions

[Anonymous No.54839094]

>>54837211
Twitter is functionally equivalent to a Tesla marketing division and a Tesla/SpaceX political action committee.

Also, supposedly Musk wants to expand Twitter into a WeChat style app. Apart from ads, WeChat makes money from, among other things, account verification, transaction fees and sale commissions

[Anonymous No.54839332]

>>54836859
>charge for api access
>redditors call him a retard
>reddit started charging for api access
He honestly cant stop winning

[Anonymous No.54839365]

>>54839094
Obvs

[Anonymous No.54839382]

>>54839094
I doubt he will succeed though. Honestly he has doubts himself and admitted that 49bln was too much.

[Anonymous No.54839756]

>>54836859
There were literally 12 managers per developer.
all of them are of the "usual day at work" tiktok variety.
twitter can probably still work and be stable at 600 employees. maybe add 100 for customer service and another 100 for copyright shit and that's enough.

[Anonymous No.54840673]

>>54836859
I love that guy, he reminds me every day that I can never get out of this slavery called "working" if only 0x0 had a fat pump I could get comfortable enough so it wouldn't be so fucked up to go to work

[Anonymous No.54841007]

>>54836859
And twitter runs just fine?

[Anonymous No.54842118]

>>54836859
Self employment is key anon. Imagine losing everything because of this faggot

[Anonymous No.54842163]

>>54837219
the problem is that your clone isn't scalable to billions of users, nor does it have all the multibillion-dollar jewish "algorithms" which are fine-tuned to extract as much money and attention out of your users as possible. seriously, these websites with billions of users aren't running on code that you can slap together in a few days using Django, achieving worldwide levels of scalability is more complicated than that

[Anonymous No.54842181]

>>54836999
kek

[Anonymous No.54842206]

>>54837225
I mean i can't log into my account anymore . I'm not banned or anything hit the login page just turns into literal gibberish when i press log in

[Anonymous No.54842208]

>>54837211
You don’t need to ‘filter trolls’ faggot. There doesn’t need to be any moderation. You’re thinking of this completely wrong- you have the ability to curtail your own feed and ban or not see what you don’t want to see. That’s all the ‘moderation’ that’s needed, attempting to police what people SAY is fucking retarded, a losing proposition and literally a thought a mongoloidal retard would have.

[Anonymous No.54842230]

>>54837968
This is unironically what the elites are trying to do. They want to reach the singularity so badly. The whole Ed tech push is about harvesting data from children to use to help improve how AI "learns". Whitney webb has talked about this.

[Anonymous No.54842242]

>>54842208
Nah. Moderated internet is way better, when you have reasonable moderation . People who act like you are annoying as fuck, and degrade otherwise nice conversations.

[Anonymous No.54842442]

>>54837211
>Nooooo we need heckin jannies to make it ad-friendly
Get fucked.

[Anonymous No.54842937]

>>54837211
>1000 employees isn't enough to run the place
your retarded

[Anonymous No.54843257]

>>54842163
midwit

[Anonymous No.54843301]

>>54836859
How many employees does 4chan have?

[Anonymous No.54843359]

>>54843301
Better question. How is 4chan able to give their employees 80% raises every damn year!?

[Anonymous No.54843735]

>>54843359
source?

[Anonymous No.54843801]

>>54836859
Can't wait for him to pay the next twitter bills with Tesla's revenues, it provided a lot of sweet TSLA dumps.

[Anonymous No.54843910]

>>54842242
you stupid fucking nigger

[Anonymous No.54843921]

>>54842242
4chan moderation is on point imo.
Anything is fair game outside of porn and retarded spam on the relevant boards.

[Anonymous No.54844074]

>>54843359
>How is 4chan able to give their employees 80% raises every damn year!?
Shitcoins.
Lots and lots of shitcoins.
You literally pay a janny every time you buy one.
Think about that.

[Anonymous No.54844211]

>>54842118
>imagine losing
NO

[Anonymous No.54844645]

>>54842163
you've never written code that's been used by more than 12 people

[Anonymous No.54844679]

>>54843257
yeah bro writing code that scales to 2 billion users is so easy, just use SQLite and Django and follow some tutorials on youtube lmao. ask me how I know you've never developed software in your life

[Anonymous No.54844726]

>>54836859
Still too many to run a fucking website, even 250 should be enough

[Anonymous No.54844751]

>>54844679
While not easy, fagmans are definitely throwing manpower against a problem with the hope to solve it, did you know twitter doesnt have a staging environment? I can only imagine the clusterfuck of backend this is, thrown together by thousands of jeets

[Anonymous No.54844898]

>>54842242
fucking kill yourself

[Anonymous No.54844922]

>>54836859
Yes, they should have to pay a tax based on square foot land ownership and number of employees. The less employees and bigger land, the higher tax. We can call it an automation tax.

Should have been done decades ago. Some expert can do the math to make it appropriately portioned.

[Anonymous No.54848521]

>>54837184
unironically this.

[Anonymous No.54848575]

>>54836965
That would actually be pretty funny. If you're a blue check mark you have to pay doge to post, and the more doge you pay the more your tweet is boosted. Also this is all transparent and you can see how much doge was paid on the tweet itself

[Anonymous No.54848653]

>>54842242

[Anonymous No.54848676]

Nintendo takes piracy very seriously and they have never lost in court. If Elon musk doesn't do something about the piracy on Twitter he'll get rekt

[Anonymous No.54848720]

>>54836859
Dude pissed away billions on a deal he wasn’t even that serious about, probably just trying to stop hemorrhaging money any way he could. That said things like twatter absolutely do not need a large employee count to begin with.
>>54837211
If anything having companies stop being a bunch of faggots when it comes to muh ads would be a net benefit for everyone.

[Anonymous No.54848737]

There is at least one poster itt who has been fired from twitter.
Lets all laugh at them together.
Huehue

[Anonymous No.54848884]

>>54842163
> these websites with billions of users aren't running on code that you can slap together in a few days using Django
That’s what they want you to think.

[Anonymous No.54849059]

>>54842208
Disagree. Moderation is essential to a popular forum. Even this shithole as moderation. Twitter users can ban people but people with even hundreds of repliers don't have to time to go through all the replies. You need ai doing that and a whole legion of staffers banning accounts as needed.

[Anonymous No.54849092]

>>54848653
have sex

[Anonymous No.54849093]

The thing is twitter isn't general motors. They're not really producing anything except hosting a website for mentally ill trannies to argue on. It's not like they have huge warehouses full of billions of dollars of automated machinery and a shipping department and all that shit. You only need to watch one of the thousands "day in the life of a tech dev" videos of some 21 year old women working at google who answers 3 emails and just kind of hangs out and eats bagels all day to realize this shit is bloated and is overdue for a lot of corporate trimming.

[Anonymous No.54849095]

>>54837306
Yes?

[Anonymous No.54849215]

>>54849059
Somehow the moderation team did not manage to ban droves of bots offering metamask support, but they did ban a bunch of small accounts for making journalists cry.

[Anonymous No.54849283]

>>54836859
twitter should be run entirely by AI. what do employees at twitter even do?

[Anonymous No.54849296]

>>54844679
No hes right. Its fairly easy these days to swap the DB out, and you can just click a button to put your django code in a container that autoscales. My code is always DB agnostic anyway. The only difficult parts of running a large website is dealing with hosting, payroll, legal, etc.

[Anonymous No.54849395]

People on both sides can cry all they want. It is the advertisers who decide whether they spend money on twitter or not. At the moment the ad revenue is on catastrophic decline, so whatever Elon has done is quite retarded, and he has made the company worse. If he can somehow turn the company more profitable than it previously was, then sure, he did the right thing. I wouldn’t bet on him, but we’ll see.

[Anonymous No.54849486]

>>54849296
>you can just click a button to put your django code in a container that autoscales.
lolno, that is not how it works when you're talking about online services that have BILLIONS of daily users and deal with petabytes of data. You can get away with little inefficiencies at small scales that you absolutely can't at larger ones. It's not about which database you use, but how it's organized, the efficiency of the queries, and the efficiency of the backend code. Django's ORM adds an extra layer between the application and the database, which slows your queries down by a little bit. On small scales, it doesn't matter, but multiplied across millions of tweets and notifications being sent every single second? These things start to matter. Twitter started off as a simple Ruby on Rails project but had to be completely rewritten as soon as it started getting big.

[Anonymous No.54849629]

>>54848720
>net benefit for everyone.
Wrong. It would be a benefit to users and NOT a benefit to Musk. He would just lose more money with less ads.

[Anonymous No.54849677]

>>54849486
That being said, it definitely shouldn't take 1,000 developers to run something like Twitter. Maybe like 50-100 engineers should be enough. You need some manpower to set up and manage all the infrastructure, manage the data centers, etc. and a small team of software developers for each of the microservices that Twitter is running on. The rest is just administrative bloat and diversity hires

[Anonymous No.54849748]

>>54849486
you can actually afford those small inefficiencies, and they are inevitable. Many of the "optimized" ways of writing code are smoke and mirrors and only perform in specific cherrypicked tests

[Anonymous No.54849808]

>>54849748
>Many of the "optimized" ways of writing code are smoke and mirrors and only perform in specific cherrypicked tests
Time complexity is pure math, you don't even need a test to measure the efficiency of an algorithm. The reason places like Twitter do multiple rounds of whiteboard coding interviews is to test whether you understand these concepts or not, they're fundamental to all of software development

[Anonymous No.54849894]

>>54849808
None of the things youre whining about relate to time complexity. Youre claiming my code would never work because it goes through an ORM, which is a purely linear slowdown. Youre claiming my queries are inefficient while having no knowledge of them.

[Anonymous No.54849958]

1,000 employees just to run a website?
could do it with 10 at most
a decent algo should do most of the work anyway

[Anonymous No.54850002]

>>54849894
You're right, I have no intimate knowledge of your application, I just really doubt that it would actually scale to billions of users as-is, as you claim, when it's just something you slapped together in a couple days. If you've ever spent any time working in the industry, then you should know that this stuff isn't exactly always easy. The fact that you think scaling to that size only takes "one click" and is as simple as putting your application in a Docker container leads me to believe that I'm likely correct in my assumptions

[Anonymous No.54850045]

>>54836859
The point of business is not to achieve maximum employment, but to extract and concentrate wealth into as few (and theoretically most efficient) hands as possible. All businesses have a dogmatic obligation to minimize employment in pursuit of this efficiency and wealth acquisition. People who bitch and moan about how hard the "job creators" have it often leave the fact that job creation is generally undesirable to those creators except when absolutely necessary unsaid.

[Anonymous No.54850281]

>>54837349
Europoors falling for bait posts is always comical. Your hubris was always your downfall kek

[Anonymous No.54850393]

The same should be done with government at all levels. 90& of the employees could be replaced with chatbots and no one would know the difference. The budget savings would be repatriated to actual tax payers.