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How much money do you spend on degeneracy?

>> No.54706880

>>54706852
i bought 1 month of subscription once because i couldn find pirated content and i was really horny

>> No.54706889

>>54706852
Probably about $5k a year visiting the DR to coom in cheap Dominican hookers.

>> No.54706898

I discovered all modern women are for sale. I deleted Instagram because it was costing me money…

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>>54706852
I earn money from not being a degenerate through the practice of semen retention.

>> No.54706906

>>54706889
Are they all mostly black as in nappy hair? Also how much to creampie one of there hookers?

>> No.54706958

>>54706906
The majority on the North Coast are negras so they have nappy hair. However, not all. There's probably 25% that are either white Dominicans or half-white that half straight black hair.

There's one I have been seeing for a number of years. We get tested together and she takes birth control and I creampie her. Doesn't charge any extra because I am a huge source of revenue for her. I wouldn't creampie a rando personally, but I have met many fellow mongers who do. I'd imagine probably $100 to do so.

>> No.54706975

>>54706958
Damn that's not even that cheap for a third world country. Hell I paid 200 to creampie this blonde chick here

>> No.54706985

>>54706958
What part of DR? I thought about mongering there but then I got a gf. I've enjoyed Thailand and Colombia in the past.

>> No.54706988

>>54706975
No it's not cheap, but birth control is not regularly used there like it is in the US, so it's a special request for sure. If you're fucking with condom though it is only about $50 - $60.

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>>54706852
Bout $25 a month on weed, that's about it. All I do is play video games by myself.

>> No.54706998

>>54706889
Whats it like living with hiv?

>> No.54707037

>>54706985
North Coast, Sosua is the epicenter, but girls all along the North Coast from Cofresi to Cabarete have a loose relationship with sex and money.

Santiago is much more uptight about it (Santiago is a much whiter and more educated city).

Santo Domingo you can get it relatively easy too, but Santo Domingo (outside of Zona Colonial) is the real fucking deal and you better know what you're doing or you'll get got. Would not recommend Santo Domingo until you know what you're doing. I wouldn't compare Thailand to the DR because Thailand is much safer, but if you've managed to do it in Medellin without getting 'scoped or robbed, you can probably manage Santo Domingo just fine. Otherwise, level up in Sosua first.

>> No.54707049

>>54706998
I don't fuck them in the ass like a faggot. The chance of a man getting HIV from heterosexual sex is quite low.

>> No.54707063

>>54706889
Post the hottest one. I know you have pics

>> No.54707066

>>54707037
I think Medellin is pretty safe too. But I had a threesome at my Airbnb and one of the bitches stole a shirt of mine wtf lol

>> No.54707101

>>54707066
It's not safe anymore with the scoplamine crisis. Gringos are getting scoped there every day now it seems. Not what is once was. Fortunately I haven't heard about scopalamine making it's way to the DR yet. But once it does, it's game over there too. Honestly, because of scope I'd say Medellin is more dangerous than Santo Domingo.

>> No.54707117

>>54707066
Also I'm convinced chicas steal small random shit for sport. Obviously they steal expensive stuff for obvious reasons if you are dumb enough to not chica proof your room, but they steal random shit like shirts and toothpaste just to fuck with us and because they can. It's annoying.

>> No.54707137

>>54707101
I saw stuff about that on youtube and there were warnings about not being out too late at night. I guess I got lucky in 2021. No issues around Parque Lleras.

>> No.54707210

>>54707049
Cope.

>> No.54707211

>>54706852

per month:
1k euros for normal stuff
1k euros for sugar babies, onlyfans, subs to dating sites, sex toys (dildos, penis cages), escorts, computers games

>> No.54707274
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54707274

I’m a 22 year old khhv and after years of isolation and psychological decay, since turning 21 I’ve spent nearly $1000 on custom femdom pornography from cam whores.

I’m even in good shape (a bit dyel but still) and decent looking. I ordered SPH customs from 3 different girls and they all complimented my body and how I looked “strong, athletic, muscular”. I make okay money from my first real office job. In high school, and also somewhat in college, I had numerous women come on to me, some of them Stacy tier, including one blonde slut that was practically throwing her pussy at me.

But because of my schizoid personality, the years of controlling and domineering parents with little independence (even now), the learned helplessness and social defeat resulting from that, along with me being an ugly duckling and not glowing up till late high school, and reduced opportunity to meet women, I am sitting here in my room, my prison; rotting, just as I have for the past 5 years.

It’s over.

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>>54707211
>1k euros for sugar babies, onlyfans, subs to dating sites, sex toys (dildos, penis cages), escorts, computers games

>> No.54707314

I used to fuck escorts and go to massage parlors a lot, but man that ain't worth the money. I decided to just keep fucking Grindr traps for free

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>>54706852
I don't kek, I have no money to spare, I literally threw 60% of what I had into pond kek

>> No.54707372

>>54707211
>dildos, penis cages
Do you ponder suicide? If so, what would absolutely push you there

>> No.54707382
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54707382

Spent about $500 on a few asian hookers this month

>> No.54707386

>>54707274
Wait paid whores complimented you because they like you and not to make you a return customer??

Workout routine???!

>> No.54707427

>>54707382
That's quite the specimen. How much for her time?

>> No.54707431

Usually $0 but I spent like $2000 in total on setting up some blackmail (to counter blackmail against me) in March

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>>54707427
$150, creampie included
This is another one, 18 but she made me wear a condom

>> No.54707471

>>54707338
Idk if you're based or retarded, probably both

>> No.54707475

>>54707338
well you spent your money on worthless shit

>> No.54707483

>>54706852
I could say none but time is money as they say.

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>>54707386
I’m not anything special, one of the girls I’d bought a single video from before, another I’d bought 3, and the last one was completely fresh, I might get another one from some other bitch if I get desperate and horny enough.

I’m a bit deflated in this pic since I was sick when I took it, although I’m pretty close to my otter mode goal body, maybe 5 more lbs of muscle and then a cut would do it. Workout routine is just a basic upper lower split, hitting everything twice a week. 181cm, 170lbs or so.

Honestly women don’t have very high standards for male bodies, just a bit of shoulder width sets you apart from other guys. I’m not even sure if I can bench lmao2pl8, although I should be close.

>> No.54707509

>>54706852
I try to be frugal with my perversions. I make my own drugs, pirate my games and movies, only fap to free porn and cook my own comfort foods.

>> No.54707532

>>54707372

no, since i found the wonders of sugar babies.
no suicide until I am out of money, not gonna leave this world with others owing me stuff

>> No.54707554

>>54707338
Ngl that's stupid

>> No.54707562

>>54707462
Damnit I have to go to thailand. I am getting bored of the thicc Dominicans and need some thai spice in my life.

>> No.54707594

>>54707462
Also, how did you negotiate the creampie?

>> No.54707792

>>54707594
Just be a cool guy with everything that entails, but not all girls will let you regardless

>> No.54707795

>>54706852
all of it

>> No.54707887

no money but too many hours

>> No.54707929
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54707929

Last year I spent 272,866 yen or a little over $2000 on commissioning Japanese hentai artists

>> No.54708031

>>54706852
quit smoking quit drinking so $15 a month on a vidya game that I play occasionally.

>> No.54708060

>>54707929

how much for a blacked waifu ?

>> No.54708138

>>54708060
Pretty large range. You can get art form $3 to $300 depending on the artist. I got 58 pieces for that $2k so it averages to $35 per picture, not counting deliveries that gave multiple variants

>> No.54708151

>>54707929
Based. I might buy commissions this year.

>> No.54708203

>>54706880
this x10

>> No.54708212

>>54708151
Highly recommend skeb. Yen is weak to the dollar so you can get your favorite h manga artist for cheap

>> No.54709347

>>54706852
none in money, but lots in time/energy

>> No.54709444
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>>54706852
0
i am a frugal living advocate

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54709551

>>54707929
for what purpose? Some random artist bound to have something you like posted for free.

>> No.54709561

$80 a week on coke

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>>54707929

Not rly degenerate as it is being a patron of the arts.

>> No.54711299

>>54707382
which city is this?

>> No.54711365

>>54706899
Based. Be careful of the days leading up to the 2 month and 3 months levels of nofap. I used to get hit by crazy temptations around the 2 month mark. Often caused me to fail around then.

>> No.54712535

>>54709551
Its a combination of getting art if unpopular characters that no one draws and getting art of characters that I create

>> No.54713121
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>>54706852

ZERO. I live got God. ALhamdulliah

>> No.54713139

>>54707462
A creampie with a condom on IS NOT a creampie.

Condoms are for faggots u nigger. Ur fucking latex lol

>> No.54713702

>>54713139
he is saying that the first one he fucked without a condom, the second is a different girl he fucked with a condom

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>>54706852
I think I spent like €50 on two of Enji Nights sets (no nudes) last year, in total maybe €300 in my life. I just search for stuff, have a fap, and the desire to spend more on degen goes away.

>> No.54713859

>>54713828
You know she'd be like a $200 an hour prostitute in Hungary if faggots like you didn't make these girls millionaires for not even getting your dick wet.

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>>54713859
I've never fucked a prostitute in my entire life, I don't intend to do it either, I wouldn't travel to another country to fuck a prostitute, and certainly not a specific prositute. So I'm €50 out instead of €400 and I got what was advertised and I didn't get a disease. So get fucked.

>> No.54713917

Couple hundred a month on addy and booze, but its how I cope and get work done so whatever

>> No.54714111

>>54706852
$0.00. I am a near vagabond status at the moment

>> No.54714153

>>54706852
I dont spend any money on degeneracy. in fact, I make money on degeneracy. japanese people pay me in japanese pennies to post my ai generated loli hentai on pixiv

>> No.54714192

Imagine wanting to fuck girls and not even wanting to be paid for it lol. Imagine putting women such a pedestal that you want to please and serve FOR FREE. Imagine that you are such cuck that you delude yourself you are alpha by living for women.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

>> No.54714194

>>54706852
I think I've bought pretty much every degen toy available. The fleshlight is the best all rounder definitely.

I spend zero on subscriptions.

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>>54707462
>>54706988
Holy guck some women are absolute filthy whores. How do the native men feel?

>> No.54714251

>>54709444
That vidyas so sharp it's hurting my eyes

>> No.54714414

>>54706899
The universe is indifferent

>> No.54714471

>>54706852
All of it, yes I bought STINK.

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I drink 3-4l Coke and 2 different adhd meds a day

Not sure if its degenerate or Just doctor adviced healthy

>> No.54714508

>>54707211
I dont envy you

>> No.54714512

>massage parlors 2x weekly
$400/month
>video games 2 games/mo
$120/month
>gacha games $100/week budget
$400/mo
>doordash daily
$1200 month
>cigarettes
$250 month
>alcohol
>$400 month

I think that's everything. YOLO lol

>> No.54714733

>>54714212
The local Chads are in on it.
>Dominican men are lazy and would rather have their women make easy money being putas than get a job themselves.
>There is also substantial female sex tourism in the DR, so there are probably prostitute couples where both the man and woman in a relationship are hookers/sankies.
But I'd imagine the non-Chads are very salty about it. The competition for pussy must be very fierce for the bottom men.

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>>54707431
tell more wtf

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>>54706852
$1250 USD (~$10000 HKD) a month on massages and sex in HK

>> No.54716784

>>54714482
this will unironically kill you before 20 years of that regime.
1 litter of coke or other sodas makes me sick because of the sugar (no jokes).

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I spend 0 because I'm broke, I work at amazon, I'm disabled but can't get on disability.
I have wounds leaking out of about 4 areas of my body and now I'm having stoke like conditions daily.
So degeneracy is for healthy richfaggots not poorfaggots who are dying.

>> No.54716806

>>54707532
You're everything that embodies why money is the root of all evil.
I am truly disgusted by all you faggots
>t. oldfag.

>> No.54716814

>>54706899
need a general thread about nofap

>> No.54716822

>>54716750
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>> No.54716834

>>54714512
Why play gacha if you can afford real games?

>> No.54716915

>>54716784
I was going to say he should switch to Pepsi max but that's coke zero which is sugar free anyway.

I'd definitely recommend avoid amphetamine as a long time sweet of choice, where possible.

>> No.54716934

>>54716750
She's nice anon

>> No.54717028
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>>54706852
I'm rich (several million net worth) and I spend $0 on roasties, I dont do drugs, I dont drink and I dont smoke.
giving money to a roastie is to me the same thing as capitulation and giving up.

I have never in my entire life given a roastie any money, not even 1 dollar and I dont plan to start anytime soon. No roastie will ever get any money out of me.
Many tried but I reject them all, everyone is after my riches.

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>>54710015
>>54707929
>patron of the arts
thank you for your service

>> No.54717142

>>54717028
You're just a cheap fuck with a complex about money, there are many cases like you its nothing to be proud of and we all secretly mock you behind your back

>> No.54717997

>>54717142
>cheap
I'm living a Millionaire lifestyle wagiecuck meanwhile you work 40 hour weeks like some loser.
and I just dont spend my money on walking talking garbage aka woman.
I also dont tip and will never give a tip to anyone for anything.
You and the other Parasites will never get anything from me. keep seething behind my back like the impotent little cuck that you are.
I drive a Sportscar, you drive the bus, know your place you trash.

>> No.54718072

>>54717142
Actually he's based I'm worth 0 and I also live by this phiosophy, I've banged well over 130 women and never once have I.
>Paid for a date
>Helped with bills
>Given items
>Given more time than needed to get my nut off.
Simple as, women and getting laid has never been my problem nor would it be if I had money.

>> No.54718297

>>54706852
not that much, just some membership dating apps. If prozzies were legal here it'd be stupendously higher though, no doubt about that.

>>54707274
>But because of my schizoid personality, the years of controlling and domineering parents with little independence (even now), the learned helplessness and social defeat resulting from that, along with me being an ugly duckling and not glowing up till late high school, and reduced opportunity to meet women, I am sitting here in my room, my prison; rotting, just as I have for the past 5 years.
>It's over.
Well for starters you can start by getting those negative thought processes under control. "It's over", you're only 22 dude, chillout. It's not over, things aren't that bad. And another thing you can do is getting out of your room. "Sitting here in my room, my prison; rotting just as I have for the past 5 years". Well just simply leave it. All of this is within your control.

>>54707211
>>54707382
>>54707929
really funny that /biz/ is one of the most degen boards. My brothers.

>> No.54719072

>>54716789
Eat heaps of zinc and vitamin c get your wounds checked out. Splash some iodine on them or iodine cream dude.

>> No.54719154

>>54706852
I used to spend ALOT before I got married. Now I just grow weed and shrooms in the yard and I don't consider that degen anyways.

>>54707210
lmfao faggot

>>54707274
bro if you are in california there are so many hot hookers just hit up private delights or something and use that money to BUST

>> No.54719162

>>54706880
For me, it was Reflective Desires.

>> No.54719269

Got a gf but i always wondered how you go to a prostitute. What do you ask of her without it beeing awkward as fuck? How do you ask for a specific type you desire without coming off as a weirdo? And most importantly, how do you not get mugged or fucked over?

>> No.54719486

>>54719269
I used a website, filter through the adds that look like bots and found ones that look real (its not that hard, I never got scammed), text them some basic info, like my name and height and weight and skin color and asked them if I could make an appt. for an hour or whatever. Wait for them to text back, maybe do facetime for verification ( i like that cause then I get to see her, etc) and then she sends you a general address, you pull up, park the car, text you, she checks you out from the window, texts you the room number.

Go upstairs, sometime I get alittle hard in the elevator cause I am so nervous/excited lmao, get to the door knock, they always take forever to answer, running around trying to put on makeup or whatever, women lmao. introduce, put money on the dresser, ask her what her rules are and what she likes. she invites me to shower. Bring my wallet and phone into the bathroom always, shower, come out in towel, she invites to lay on bed, play with titties, kiss, whatever. Its great. Then you just leave and go play video games. I would be okay if I ended up single as long a I had a good job desu.

>> No.54719507

>>54706852
$0

>> No.54719599

I used to spend a few thousand euros on Ukrainian camwhores before the war broke out. Usually I would then travel to Ukraine in the summers and have sex with the ones I befriended the most, and I wouldn't have to pay for the sex. My usual routine was spending all of July doing this, but now with the war my spending has gone down to 0 again because I can't go there to cash in on my "investment".

>> No.54719643

>>54716834
I just like the sexy jpgs.

>> No.54720029

I spend a couple hundred of dollars a month to subscribe to some diaper fetish only fans and maybe $100-$200 a month on booze

>> No.54720842

>>54707532
Please elaborate on getting and finding sugar babies

>> No.54720882

I'm ashamed to say how but I probably break 5 figures most months.

>> No.54720919

>>54706852
well, i got myself a freedom phone, donated 2k for the stop the steal defense fund and donate 20 buck every week to my local church, so like 20k total.

>> No.54721065

>>54706852
Not that much if you go to the Philippines.

If you are white and under 50 and dress well, you can fuck a dozen women a month for free, and keep a harem of free pussy on demand. Barring the expense of drinks and maybe dinner/movie or something. I have impregnated three different women who asked me to give them a white baby, and didn't care that I was not going to take responsibility.

You can also get hookers for extremely cheap, and most of them you can bareback and creampie and they won't even bat an eyelash. I like to get a fresh 18 year old, eat her out until she is soaking wet, then lay her on my bed on her tummy and mount her from behind for a nice deep, grinding fuck. She doesn't even realize she's being barebacked until she feels a load of sperm being pumped into her belly. Filipinas are so dumb that you can just sweet talk them and they will come back for another round (to get bareback and creampied), even though they supposedly want to use a condom.

About 3 months into my own degenerate adventure I stopped giving a fuck about their feelings and straight up told the women I was fucking that I was going to try to knock them up, and that I was going to cum inside of them every time. To my surprise this made them even more eager and horny in bed, and pestered me to come over and fuck even more often. Even the hookers, who supposedly dont want a baby from a stranger.

The Philippines is a shithole, but for a white man who wants to COLONIZE brown asian cunt, it is the holy land and paradise.

>> No.54721126

>>54720842
seeking arrangement

I usually see about 5 different sugar babies per month. Having one constant one can be nice, but I'm a degenerate and enjoy the variety. I spend anywhere from 200-400 per fucking session, so on average probably like $1500 per month. The girls are usually just normal chicks who do this on the site, not professionals at all. I live in a very high cost of living major metro area where the average independent escort rate is like $500/hour for a decent looking girl and that comes with tons of bullshit rules and regulations on what you can't do to her, so I'd say sugar babies have been quite a nice /biz/ness decision.

>> No.54721333

>>54721126
Thank you very much. Any general tips and advice about what to do when you’re with a sugar baby. I still want to be respectful and ensure they likewise have a positive experience.
Please any and all tips and advice, be long as necessary with the post.

>> No.54721388

I spend about $200 a week on alcohol and weed
I spent $1200 at a strip club in mexico in one night, I got fleeced though, didnt even get my dick sucked. I did get to party like i was a nigger in a rap music video that shit was cash, not worth $1200 though

>> No.54721479

>>54721333
Honestly just treat them like a normal person and not an escort. Some will want to just get straight to business and be done with it as quick as possible (I usually just avoid these types), but most just want a semi-normal dynamic where they're compensated a bit for their time. If you want something specific sexually that's fine, just be respectful about it like you would when going about it with a GF. Don't demand anything or make them feel like they are just being used for sex. Every woman and situation is different so hard to give too much generic advice.

>> No.54721609

>>54716822
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>> No.54721610

>>54721479
Thank you for all your helpful advice. May God bless you in all areas of your life.

>> No.54721616

>>54706852
was born poor and the most degen shit I've done was watching live streams. never paid a single cent but I've seen some shit lmao

>> No.54721632

>>54706852
>i just ape'd $500 into OGSMINEM
i'm way past counting at this point

>> No.54721875

>>54706898
for sex or for pictures

>> No.54722575

>>54718072
>banged 130 women of which 120 were 6s or below
Congrats faggot, nobody cares that you didn't spend a dollar

>> No.54722579

>>54717997
I live on an island and work 2 hours a week, you stress over $5 and your status lmao

>> No.54722593

>>54706852
I pay exactly $39.9 per month for my Grindr Unlimited subscription.

>> No.54723105
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54723105

>>54706852
~20K in Latina prostitutes so far
Panascorts.com and wanuncios.com were my daily websites. I'm lucky I'm alive out of that addiction. One of the girls tried to contact me the other day for me to pay her a travel so she can visit me. I just blocker her.

>pic related

>> No.54723276

About 4K a year

>> No.54723335

>>54707274
Damn minus the spending money on whore vids, are you me in all of my 20s?

>> No.54723359

>>54707431
Damn man give some details dis gon b good

>> No.54723439

>>54706852
I’ve probably spent like $800 on shitcoins the past two years and got next to nothing back out of it.

>> No.54723558
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>>54706852
i make money selling candid pics/vids of my friends' feet to strangers online...

>> No.54723586

>>54723105
did you go on coom trips to LatAm or are you native there?

>> No.54723621

>>54722575
you cared enough to reply 8 hours later.

>> No.54725436

>>54723621
That’s when I saw it shlomo, it’s hardly caring. And you didn’t deny what I said because it’s true