/XMR/ Monero General

[Anonymous No.54662023]

Welcome to the Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's leading decentralized P2P privacy cryptocurrency!

Monero is secure, low-fee, and fungible, meaning users can send XMR around the globe despite corrupt governments or broken financial systems. Innovative privacy features such as Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses, and Ring CT ensure that Monero's blockchain is obfuscated -- In other words, the financial history of all Monero users is encrypted from the prying eyes of adversaries on a public blockchain, with transactions being visible only by a user willingly providing a view key.

Monero has also improved upon the scaling downsides of current popular cryptocurrencies. To avoid high fees, dynamic block size ensures that the size of the blocks will increase as the amount of transactions increases. Further, the mining network algorithm RandomX establishes that anybody with a CPU can participate in mining, preventing the ASIC miner domination that creates a high barrier to entry. Lastly, the mining network will be preserved by Tail Emission -- instead of the block reward falling to zero like with Bitcoin, the block reward gradually approached 0.6 XMR in June 2022, where it will forever stay. This constant linear inflation means the inflation rate will asymptotically go to zero while continuing to provide an incentive to miners to maintain the network.

If you still have questions, feel free to ask and a MoneroChad will be with you shortly.

XMR Redpill: https://yewtu.be/wq6w03E2DS4

XMR Stats: moneroj.net

USE Monero: https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/

OFFICIAL WEBSITE - getmonero.org

WHERE TO GET MONERO?

>KYC:
Kraken
Binance
Bitfinex

>Non KYC:
LocalMonero
Morphtoken
Bisq
Kucoin
Tradeogre
Crypto ATMs
see: kycnot.me

>Mining
archive.is/TWOah

HOW TO STORE MONERO?

>Desktop
Official Gui/Cli
Feather

>Mobile
IOS: Cakewallet
Android: Monerujo

[Anonymous No.54662039]

PREVIOUS THREAD: >>54600759

[Anonymous No.54662047]

START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL
START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL

P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

[Anonymous No.54662054]

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

[Anonymous No.54662063]

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/services

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Buy silver/gold bullion with XMR (US only)
https://monerosilver.com/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.win/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>AlphaBay STATUS UNCLEAR!!
>Archetyp
>Astra #
>Asur Market
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Dark Matter
>Darkmoon
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Mellow Market
>Retro Market
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/yaUPVLvk


>LocalMonero is now available on I2P
http://lm.i2p/nojs/


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Elude EXIT SCAMMING! AVOID!
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/AnkqVGjp


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

[Anonymous No.54662077]

START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE


>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.


>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!


>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.


>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd-android/releases/latest


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/latest


The console is accessed via http://127.0.0.1:7070/ or the menu in Android.

[Anonymous No.54662085]

1 xmr = 1 xmr

[Anonymous No.54662086]

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total Bitcoin = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings Bitcoin would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per Bitcoin and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL.

And that’s assuming energy costs do not increase at all over the next 120 years, which they will.

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

[Anonymous No.54662139]

Reporting in,
fuck Bitcoin.

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.54662571]

Reporting in

##################################
Swimng Pool - https://pastebin.com/raw/Mb7Dyg24 (embed)
IRC - https://pastebin.com/kP1gZ1Hk (embed)
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Education - https://pastebin.com/V0SFR8qU (embed)
Mining - https://pastebin.com/Rd1V8P5L (embed)
Nodes - https://pastebin.com/j6Vv2Xn6 (embed)

[Anonymous No.54662622]

[Anonymous No.54662661]

shill me i2p
how is it different from tor?

[Anonymous No.54662730]

>shitcoin down 95% in sats
>cannot ever scale
>infinite supply
>infinite hard forks
>absolutely no network security
>cannot be audited
>cryptonote is backdoored
>larper holder base of retards buying on kraken from their iPhones
worse than ethereum

[Anonymous No.54662765]

Threadly reminder that there is now a parallel XMR General on the darknet imageboard BitChan where you can post with the absolute maximum degree of privacy possible.

Why bother? Well, remember that every time you post on 4chan the content + your IP address are being logged and that data can and will be made available to LE/glowies upon request.

So if you need to ask a very delicate question, want to make a potentially incriminating announcement or you otherwise just absolutely positively DO NOT WANT to risk being deanonymized, the BitChan thread would be the place to do it.

The slightly higher barrier to entry also serves as a badly needed retard filter so a lot of us post there simply to avoid the hordes of mouth breathers that befoul this otherwise delightful basket weaving forum.

>How do I access BitChan?

You need to have I2P configured & running on your device. Fortunately, pre-configured browser bundles are now available and make everything easy. Since most of you lazy faggots are still using Windows we'll default to that for the following guide:

1. Visit https://i2pd.website/ and click on 'Download I2PdBrowser'.
2. Download either the I2PdBrowserPortable_xxx.7z or .exe file. Extract/install it.
3. Run the StartI2PdBrowser.bat batch file to launch. Adjust firewall settings/port forward as required. Port forwarding > UPnP

A cmd window will pop up and initialize the process. A windowed Firefox instance should soon appear. DO NOT RESIZE IT! Browser fingerprinting is a thing. Once pic-related appears you are officially browsing the darknet! You can monitor yr I2P service by visiting http://127.0.0.1:7070/ in yr *regular* browser.

Then simply copy/paste the following link into the address bar as per usual:

http://bitchan.i2p/thread/BM-2cVPN9mi9oBKATjNxKkopHJSCU9ah7wQwW/047186ce462d

You may have to complete a CAPTCHA on your first visit. Also, NEVER, EVER ENABLE JAVASCRIPT!!!!

Keep in mind that page loading takes longer on the darknet, so be patient.

[Anonymous No.54662789]

>>54662730

Thanks for caring enough to post all that.

[Anonymous No.54662866]

Ok boys. Post the most obnoxious Monero propaganda meme posters you have. I'll start

[Anonymous No.54662880]

>>54662023
my beloved moneroochan
thanks OP for including her.
I'm kinda mesmerized to see monerochan

[Anonymous No.54662893]

>>54662866
Checked

[Anonymous No.54662924]

>>54662661
>shill me i2p
>how is it different from tor?
i2p is a peer to peer network
whereas tor is a relay dependant network
the users of i2p relays other user's traffic
but for tor user's traffic are relayed by tor nodes (volunteers).

[Anonymous No.54662944]

>>54662765
>You need to have I2P configured
Bitchan also have a tor mirror

[Anonymous No.54662969]

>>54662730
>muh anonymity

[Anonymous No.54662976]

>>54662866

Based.

[Anonymous No.54663021]

>>54662866

[Anonymous No.54663060]

>>54662866

[Anonymous No.54663119]

Love xmr-chan

[Anonymous No.54663121]

>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

[Anonymous No.54663142]

This is what Monero chuds dont want you to know.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

[Anonymous No.54663146]

>>54662924
interesting. so if my laptop disconnects connections i relay also go down?

[Anonymous No.54663161]

>>54662866

>>54662924
Ive played with i2p a bit, but i have a symetrical nat i have to get around to be able to setup an effective router

[Anonymous No.54663199]

Hope the ztranny has permission to post here. S(he) might be accused of conspiring with money laundering by posting in these threads. Gotta be on the up and up.

[Anonymous No.54663247]

anyone can write and deploy a mixing contract on ethereum. why would you need a whole blockchain just for privacy lmao. both XMR and ZEC will go to 0

[Anonymous No.54663562]

>>54663247
>ethereum
>Between 40%-90% of blocks are OFAC-compliant.
>Make privacy coin
>It gets censored
No thanks I'll stick with xmr

[Anonymous No.54663596]

>>54663247
>Premined globohomo chain financed by jpmorgan

[Anonymous No.54663659]

>>54663146
yup peers transferring traffic through you also drops, but the peer routers will automatically establish new tunnel with other peers quickly to make stable connection.
(about i2p btw)

[Anonymous No.54663713]

>>54663161
>symmetrical nat
you don't need to get around you can still accept transit tunnels regardless

If you really want to help other i2p routers get to their destination (leaseset) then you have to open the listening port in your home router and run your i2p router in floodfill mode

[Anonymous No.54664080]

I have a paper wallet but the ATM had poor ink and is now faded but I wrote down the pub/priv keys. How do I transfer, and where, with just characters?

[Anonymous No.54664105]

>>54663142
lol, Zooko paypig reporting in.
Zooko is laughing at you, all the way to the bank.

[Anonymous No.54664243]

Gimme all the monerochan you have anon

[Anonyɱous No.54664254]

>>54664243

[Anonymous No.54664269]

[Anonyɱous No.54664279]

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[Anonyɱous No.54664294]

[Anonymous No.54664729]

>>54664294
whos the left

[Anonymous No.54664759]

[Anonymous No.54664815]

>>54664729
wownero-chan <3

[Anonymous No.54665024]

>>54664729

[Anonymous No.54665054]

Reminder that the /XMR/ bookclub is now a thing.
>What book?
The Sovereign Individual
>Where to get it?
with explanation: https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/#books
from the tracker: tracker2.postman.i2p/index.php?view=TorrentDetail&id=69603
>Which chapters and for when?
Chapters 4-6, we'll finish and discuss this Sunday (23rd of April, Sunday).
>Where to discuss?
For now, keep it in /XMR/ but if it gains enough traction it will happen on bitchan.i2p as well.

For any more info as to how, check out
>https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/
>https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/#guide
>https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/#where

[Anonymous No.54665398]

who else plans to add a substantial portion to their stack before the usd cbdc is alleged to drop in july

[Anonymous No.54665479]

>>54662866

[Anonymous No.54665505]

>>54664279

[Anonymous No.54665825]

yo who has the meme where low iq redneck says I can buy drugs with it, the 100 iq is a bitshitter, and then 130 iq is the genius xmr explaining the science, I need that meme right now

[Anonymous No.54665837]

MONEROMARKET.IO

[Anonymous No.54665850]

>>54665837
the garden section is incredibly based, and I'm a huge fan of this implementation of the market, and this is a real strong point of the site, how much longer until you can buy venison, beef, eggs etc, very cool

[Anonymous No.54665893]

>>54665825
I have this one lmfao

[Anonymous No.54665923]

>>54665893
very good, thanks

[Anonymous No.54665957]

>>54663121
Rough

[Anonymous No.54665974]

Never owned a single XMR but I like the girls OP posts.

[Anonymous No.54665994]

>>54665974
monero chan was created because fluffypony was not able to sell it to the virgins just turned them off.

[Anonymous No.54666030]

>>54665974
everyone likes monerochan

[Anonymous No.54666333]

>>54664080
https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/restore_from_keys.html
I'm pretty sure there's no Monero ATMs you probably had a BTC paper wallet

[Anonymous No.54666519]

>>54666030
Yes

[Anonyɱous No.54667359]

[Anonyɱous No.54667370]

[Anonymous No.54667439]

>>54661983
>Growing corporate control over the project should be bashed.
Based and fuck-cake-pilled.

More digging will reveal Cake's relationship with Haveno (pic related) and the MAGIC Monero Fund. For the uninformed: this "fund" - and its parent organization, MAGIC Grants - aren't affiliated with the actual, open-source Monero Project or its Community Crowdfunding System (CCS). In fact, the founder of MAGIC Grants, Justin Ehrenhofer, is listed as the VP of Operations at Cake Labs. This is especially concerning, because MAGIC Grants reserves the right to veto any funding decision made by the MAGIC Monero Fund. Can you imagine if the disbursement of CCS funding was influenced by the whims of a single corporation?

If this insidious corporate growth doesn't concern you, find another coin. If it does, consider recommending Cakewallet alternatives.

[Anonymous No.54667507]

>>54667439
>More digging will reveal Cake's relationship with Haveno
If haveno wasn't such a fucking shitshow they wouldn't have to take over.
As long as haveno is live and actually functional everyone wins.
CCS is also shitshow but let's not start that.

[Anonymous No.54667886]

>>54667507
>As long as haveno is live and actually functional everyone wins.
Did you not read the post I quoted?

Convenience should never come with the cost of private enterprise subverting an open source project. Why? The overarching goal of private enterprise is to serve itself; this capitalistic self-service often benefits the consumer - but not always. Blockstream is a shining example of this (dysfunctional) philosophy as it pertains to crypto.

[Anonymous No.54667921]

>same 20 posts of seethe about bitcoin on every altmaxi general
you'd think they'd all eventually wake up but no, they're still here waiting for a day that will never come.

[Anonyɱous No.54668535]

>>54665505
thank you. that was missing in my collection.

[Anonymous No.54668833]

>>54667439
>TFW no CLI wallet on iOS

[Anonymous No.54668850]

>>54667439
Interesting. What would be your sugestion as a cake alternative? I have only ever used cake as an intermediary or as a hot wallet for buying small shit on the clearweb.

[Anonymous No.54668896]

>>54667886
Never said cakewallet was good or that they are good, stop strawmaning arguments.
I said two things:
Haveno was complete shitshow (CCS UI scam, development going nowhere etc). This is 100% fact.
CCS is shitshow. People not delivering, over/under funding etc.
Look at farcaster/Molly as two fresh examples.

I want finished, functional Haveno. Don't know how dex is evil in your eyes no matter the author.
Just look at tor.

[Anonymous No.54669797]

>>54668535
gimme the full pic

[Anonymous No.54669835]

>>54669797

[Anonymous No.54669851]

>>54669797
She comes in two flavors.

[Anonymous No.54669872]

>>54668896
>Never said cakewallet was good or that they are good, stop strawmaning arguments.
Anon, you addressed Haveno and the MAGIC Monero Fund (MMF) as if they encompass the entirety of both my original post and the one I quoted. The crux of my argument *isn't* Haveno or the MMF, it's Cake's endless expansion into Monero-adjacent projects. I simply cited Haveno and the MMF as additional examples of this expansion.
>I want finished, functional Haveno.
I do, too. I would prefer, however, that Cake stuck to making mobile wallets that aren't branded as "Monero.com."
>Don't know how dex is evil in your eyes no matter the author. Just look at tor.
This is an actual straw man.
>CCS is shitshow. People not delivering, over/under funding etc.
This is endemic to crowdfunding. An alternative, such as the MMF, will not change this.

[Anonymous No.54669874]

>>54669797
>>54669851
darknero

[Anonymous No.54669904]

>>54669851
>She comes in two flavors.
I like this one

[Anonymous No.54670070]

>>54662023
>>Non KYC:
>LocalMonero
>Morphtoken
>Bisq
>Kucoin
>Tradeogre
>Crypto ATMs
>see: kycnot.me

What is the best way to get usd cash in the usa if u have monero to sell?

[Anonymous No.54670129]

If I create a new receive address on a monero wallet, then lose the current version of my wallet due to a hard drive crash and have to start again with a month old backup from before I made the new receive address, and someones sends XMR to that address, would I still receive the payment?

Cryptography's some pretty amazing shit if I actually would.

[None !hPFV6Brm5A No.54670398]

>>54670129
of course. receive addresses are merely derrived from your private keys so the payment will still be registered if you use those private keys to scan the blockchain for incoming payments.

[None !hPFV6Brm5A No.54670455]

>>54670398
although in edgecases you might need to change some settings manually when restoring: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/7232/how-to-determine-number-of-used-subaddresses-after-restoring-from-seed

[Anonymous No.54670593]

>>54668850
Monerujo, Edge, and Stack are all open source IIRC.

[Anonymous No.54670727]

>>54663121

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA guess who else doesn't give a shit about Zcash? Trezor took $60K from ZEC Corporation and then bailed on them.

https://twitter.com/jswihart/status/1649053066040344585

Somebody alert the legal dept, this has priority over trademark infringement!!!

[Anonymous No.54671217]

>>54670727
Kek trezor having a blowout week with the wasabi coinjoin shit and this.

[Anonymous No.54672562]

[Anonymous No.54672940]

>>54672562

[Anonymous No.54673558]

bump

[Anonymous No.54673604]

>>54662023
Help me understand why I should choose XMR over epic cash?

[Anonymous No.54673769]

>>54673604
Why consider XMR, won't even make a 10x in the next month

[Anonyɱous No.54673784]

>>54673604
privacy, anonymity, leading to fungibility.

[Anonymous No.54673833]

>>54670593
Isn't cake wallet open source as well, i mean i don't want to defend them, i used monerujo exactly because its open source and i feel wallets that host multiple coins could be hacked devices, however i remember any controversy they could have had outside of taking over haveno was improved the moment they open sourced their wallet.

[Anonymous No.54673986]

Can someone explain whats wrong with blockstream, i mean synthetize to me why are they blocking bitcoin progress or how they killed the bitcoin dream.

I think we need to learn from old mistakes, the soviet union was originally great but the bureaucracy ruined any effort for workers to thrive, same thing happened to bitcoin i don't want the pitfalls and the selfishness of centralized entitys to ruin monero.

[Anonymous No.54673989]

>>54673604
With a name like Epic Cash? That's such a hecking sick name! You should be buying right now! BUY BUY BUY BUY!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.54674007]

>>54673833
cake wallet is the blockstream of Monero and are slowly gaining control over social consensus which is a bad thing. we should be preventing their spread.

>>54673986
>Can someone explain whats wrong with blockstream
They are the reason Bitcoin is as shit as it is today. They manipulated the midwits into not making changes that were necessary and introduced changes that are retarded (segwit).

They are a corporation controlling bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.54674026]

>>54665505
WOOOOAH WOAH WHAT WOAH

[Anonymous No.54674566]

>>54674007
>They are the reason Bitcoin is as shit as it is today. They manipulated the midwits into not making changes that were necessary and introduced changes that are retarded (segwit).
this is the usual cope but blockstream weren't the ones pushing for irreversible negative changes to the blockchain.

the user fork went againt all major exchanges, all major miners, and most of the "respected" people in the space, because failing to do so would have meant a permanent failure in consensus.

if the users told blockstream to fuck off the same way they did all the exchanges and miners there wouldn't be so much seething about them from so-called fans of decentralization, yet if users went against blockstream it meant going towards every single exchange and bitmain. which do you think is more decentralized?

[Anonymous No.54674789]

>>54673604
>Help me understand why I should choose XMR over epic cash?

You shouldn't. When in doubt, DON'T BUY MONERO!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.54675138]

>>54670070
can anyone help me out here? I assume cash by mail but with which non kyc service?

[Anonymous No.54675204]

>>54675138

>Buy silver/gold bullion with XMR (US only)
https://monerosilver.com/

Buy bullion and sell for cash.

[Anonymous No.54675482]

TU is attacking monero again
good

[Anonymous No.54675529]

>>54664279
Someone tell me how this sorcery works

[Anonymous No.54675784]

>>54675482

Problem?

[Anonymous No.54675853]

>>54663121
Why does Z-chan have prayer beads

[Anonymous No.54675868]

>>54675784
Not at all, the guy doesn't know what he's talking about, ffs he doesn't even know RandomX which a major point of Monero. He's either stupid or lying, maybe both kek.

[Anonymous No.54675906]

>>54666333
Thanks, anon. But that link is for restoring a wallet. I just have the address & priv key written. The QR is faded on the paper which is BTC but I have seen a bunch of ATMs that offer XMR. Any other anons? Happy 420, btw. 88 and prosper!!

[Anonymous No.54676116]

Why does the monero gui client force me to remember the recovery phrase, and enter a password? It's just for normalfags, right?

[Anonymous No.54676396]

Haveno commits over the years

[Anonymous No.54676414]

Haveno commits over the years*

[Anonyɱous No.54676540]

>>54675906
If you want to swap your BTC to XMR yo can use a swapper or swap aggregator such as trocador.app. You will need to get your paper wallet loaded into a BTC wallet such as electrum so you can send. Not sure about BTC wallets if you are a phonefag though. Perhaps exodus......

[Anonymous No.54676546]

Reminder that Zcash is the superior option.

[Anonyɱous No.54676634]

>>54675529
That I couldn't tell yo bro. Some magical gif shit.

[Anonyɱous No.54676645]

>>54675853
>Why does Z-chan have prayer beads
jews dabbing on the Catholics as they are known to do.

[Anonyɱous No.54676655]

>>54676546

[Anonymous No.54676797]

>>54672940
me too

[Anonymous No.54676843]

I wonder why we don't invent the equivalent of wechat pay but in a decentralized way

[Anonymous No.54676899]

>>54676843
>I wonder why we don't invent the equivalent of wechat pay but in a decentralized way
Bitcoiners are kinda doing that but with nostr. Nostr is more of a protocol, and didn't start out with any cryptocurrency stuff but lightning network bitcoiners jumped at it pretty quickly. Now there's a bunch of decentralized Twitter/GitHub/chat clones and people are paying each other with lightning. Not too impressed right now but there may be something there for people that want an identity and to be able to chat/collaborate and shit.

[Anonymous No.54676936]

fixed graph, Haveno total commits by month**

[Anonymous No.54676998]

>>54676899
I think there is an idea right there, basically i was watching what needs to get done to get to 100 million users post in crypto subreddit and this was some of the common complains

>Ease of use, reduced barrier of cost and awareness

>The whole thing is very complex for the most people, eapecially 50+ year old! Dumb it down like 10 times and we get 500m users

>Web content fully on chain that gives you a wallet when you sign in with an Identity that can be used across all dApps/websites.

>Not really. His point is that a product needs to be useful more than it is not useful, and then it will take off.

ChatGTP became very useful very quick.

Crypto is still a scary place for the overwhelming majority of "normal" people who aren't looking to invest, but use.

Basically people would want a wechat clone, i think whats left to be done is how to preserve your identity or your wallet.

I don't know if this could work but instead of creating new institutions we simply create decentralized ai and basically if someone wants to be retarded enough to not store their keys and not take care of any of the protocols what if there was basically like a sidechain that stores that person data and to recover that data for example the user uses 3 questions he would only know like, his parents name, dog name and age. Basically to make it retarded proof people could leave the responsability of their data to a decentralized ai over an institution, of course i don't know how would that work or prevent the decentralized ai of getting hacked maybe it should use POW as well or combine it with filecoin or something.

[Anonymous No.54677075]

Number of commits by author for Haveno project

[Anonymous No.54677089]

>>54676998
>Crypto is still a scary place for the overwhelming majority of "normal" people
i would argue thats true for cryptography as well, which would be required to handle "identity" in a decentralized way (e.g. PGP/key pair authentication)
>Basically people would want a wechat clone, i think whats left to be done is how to preserve your identity or your wallet.
wechat is centralized and authenticates you and spends money for you as a payment processor. if you wanted to move to something decentralized it would require a change to the culture itself. someone needs to manage identity, either yourself, or someone else for you. it could be a "custodial" decentralized system, or a monolithic monopoly, or it could be each individual user; bust someone has to do it. same with your wallet.

[Anonymous No.54677173]

>>54677089
I mean the crypto ethos is right, crypto was born from an antisystemic position and its ideals are cyberpunk core ideas which is where crypto excels, however as every technology the ethos tends to degenerate as it becomes more mainstream so basically the people writing the code need to take that into account, basically like you said we would need a "custodial" decentralized system, the cryptography or the ai it could use its beyond me but i think its easyer to create that than specting the majority of people leaving their risky convenient behaviors, wechat is centralized source shit, everything that they symbolize is something to abhor but we only need to take from them the user experience and the usefullness.

[Anonymous No.54678233]

monero might be getting its first airgapped cold wallet:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/12ttiso/a_firmware_engineer_at_foundation_devices_setup_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[Anonymous No.54678986]

I'm feeling pretty good about monero

[Anonymous No.54679941]

>>54678233
Not sure i truat that, i'll stick with feather on tails for now.

[Anonymous No.54680094]

>>54662866

[Anonymous No.54680138]

>>54675906
you should be able to restore a wallet with the private keys, gaining access to your funds

[Anonymous No.54680531]

What are the prospects of making a 4chan clone, that uses XMR to bypass captchas. Do we even need to associate with pajeets and pol ?

[Anonymous No.54680929]

>>54675868

lol this nigga is becoming obsessed with Monero

https://youtu.be/sZjcFRdvbjc

[Anonymous No.54680951]

>>54662023

Your participation needed:

Global Hyperinflation. General /GHG/ >>>/pol/424340203

[Anonymous No.54681211]

>>54672562
>I want her to have my stealthy tax-evading babies.
top zozzle

[Anonymous No.54681456]

>>54680531
Bitchan on i2p fren

[Anonymous No.54682739]

>>54662661
>shill me i2p
>how is it different from tor?

Repost from a relevant thread on Dread's d/OpSec board

-----------------------------

I2P's fingerprint is significantly harder to place. Tor has a very loud and in-your-face fingerprint, that no combination of bridges or vpns can cover. I2P traffic uses tcp, udp, ipv4, ipv6, which automatically blends you in better than Tor (Tor uses tcp only and is mostly ipv4).

I2P has automatic metadata obfuscation protocols in place, too. I2P pads each message (so the byte size is random, compared to Tor's 512 byte size messages every time), I2P adds delays to each message (which helps defend against timing attacks, each message is randomly delayed by however many milisecs). An adversary could tell you are using an encrypted routing protocol, but would be hard pressed to determine exactly which protocol you are using without using DPI techniques (which hopefully they have no reason to use because you blend in better)

I2P network is set up for plausible deniability from the beginning. Every I2P user is also a router (compared to a relay in Tor). Any adversary watching the network could not accuratley say whether your IP is using I2P, routing someone elses I2P traffic, or hosting an I2P eepsite. I2P routers are unidirectional, compared to Tor relays being bidirectional. Which means, you always have traffic coming in through you and exiting through you, trying to determine whether you are actively using I2P to browse or passively routing someone else's traffic is impossible.

[Anonymous No.54682751]

>>54682739

CONTINUED

----------------------

My favorite is the garlic routing compared to onion routing. Imagine what you know as onion routing, then place that route inside of an onion route, and you get close to garlic routing, lol. instead of 3 random nodes taking you to your exitpoint, there are two tunnels taking you to your eepsite [(you -> end of tunnel 1) | (rendezvous with beginning of tunnel 2 -> your eepsite)], and two more tunnels coming towards you leading your eepsite data to your router [(eepsite -> end of tunnel 1) | (rendezvous with beginnng of tunnel 2 -> your router)]. AND THEN add a middle hop where each arrow is (so the very first tunnel would be [you -> middlehop -> end of tunnel 1]). You are looking at a potential 12 hops for each message request your browser sends. Its like onion routing ^2.

[Anonymous No.54683050]

>>54673784
Those bitcoins were worth more than XMR's entire market cap at the time (and now). Insane. That guy alone should have taken us to way higher valuations but I guess he's retarded and would rather be in jail.

[Anonymous No.54683150]

>>54680929

>monero txs are larger than bitcoin txs (
>thus blockchain size grows faster

How true is this? If I am remembering correctly, monero transactions at some point in the past, were indeed larger than bitcoin transactions. But then came bulletproofs or some other update and reduced the sized of the monero transaction by something like 90%. Of course this reduction in tx size occured with relation to the monero tx size. In order words, I don't know if (even after this reduction) monero transactions are still larger than bitcoin transactions.

>asics are good for bitcoin
Since this nigga is a bitcoin maxi is kinda hard to take what he is saying seriously. He completely glances over how asics bring their own set of issues. If you have a gorrillion dollars invested in a particular asic, you are going to use all of your influence to ensure that asic remains a core part of the network, regardless of other considerations ( say a needed protocol upgrade to improve scalability, privacy, what have you). As of right now, taking power away from miners has resulted in a blockchain project that consistently upgrades towards more privacy. Compared with slow, kyc-ed, purposely crippled bitcoin. Monero is doing great.

[Anonymous No.54683342]

>>54662023
Came across this pasta on a secret session group... it was too juicy to not share with XMR peeps.
Here it goes.

2020 March – Lockdowns-WFH = plenty of time to browse the internetz!
2020 April - Rediscovery of 4chan (I had come across 4chan in 2015, had not payed much attention to it thanks to 9gag.)
2020 May - Discovery of /biz/, Mike Maloney
2020 June – Less make some monaey! opened a trading account with Robinhood
2020 July - So, it turns out that there will be a new currency called CBDC
2020 August - Rented a VPS - Less mine some bicorn cuz bitcoin is good against CBDCs
> There has to be a mistake! how can my hashed be in KHs while the total hashes is in PHs?!
2020 September - > Anon: it is cheaper to buy bitcoin than mine it.
2020 September - Created an account on XXXXXXXX to buy Bitcorn. An Anon on plebbit said 'not your keys, not your crypto..'.
> The fuck is a private key?!
2020 October - Oh wow!
2020 November - Oh wow!
PS: BSV is the real BTC, BTC is co-opted by blockstream, BCH is okay!
2020 December - Link, Eth, Doge, Algo... oh my!
2021 January - created a post on /lit/ 'Do you have any book recommendations on how to live a life in a society in which there is no financial privacy.' Got a single reply:
> 'Ask /biz, maybe you've already asked it there! Faggot'
January 2021 - Created an account on Chinance because Goyimbase did not accept my ID for some reason.
February 2021 - Came across XMR general on /biz with an Apu wearing a t-shirt that read 'Didn't read never selling'. Looked up XMR:
> Unlimited Supply.
Into trash it goes.

1 / 2

[Anonymous No.54683356]

>>54683342
March 2021 - DCA into Algo, Link, Eth, Doge, Polka, GRT, BTC...
March 2021 - Came across picrel post. Da fuck is a monero?!
April 2021 - Read more about XMR... Read about other coins... Link is a scam?!?!!?!
May 2021 - Flipped every coin to XMR
June 2021 - Bought my first unknown amount of XMR on Chinance
July 2021 - Created two wallets on a linux machine: Boas and Jachin
August 2021 - Bought 6 XMRs, moved it all to my own wallet
September 2021 - Read and researched more about XMR, about CBDCs, Bought 4 more XMR.. heard about Localmonero. Bought 1 XMR on LM.
October 2021 - Started mining XMR on my VPS using xmrig
> not profitable.
Cancelled my VPS contract.
Nov 11 2021 - Biden’s infra bill had passed the last week.
t. Read through it.
Deleted Chinance account.
Nov 11 to present - I have taken the OPSEC pill (still digesting it). Streamlined every financial aspect of my life. Bought unknown XMRs on LM since then.. all using my monthly hooker allowance.

I am not holding XMR to get fooking rich. I am holding XMR so that I can buy organic food and travel to beautiful locations when the climate lockdowns are rolled out.

2/2

Paraphrasing of course!

[Anonymous No.54683621]

>>54676540
>>54680138
Bitcoin ATM printed on piece of paper....QR code faded & it doesn't sweep... HOW do I send it to a wallet with just the private keys (it's not a seed phrase)????? Thanks.

[Anonyɱous No.54683830]

>>54683050
And he got off easy, minus the wealth grab.
>year & a day
Barely a felony sentence.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/silk-road-dark-web-fraud-defendant-sentenced-following-seizure-and-forfeiture-over-34

[Anonyɱous No.54684033]

>>54683621
Get your private key into there

[Anonymous No.54685135]

[Anonymous No.54686499]

[Anonymous No.54687142]

>>54676655

Keep coping, Monero cant survive without Zcash's tech, insanely bullish for ZEC.

[Anonymous No.54687199]

>>54687142
>zcash tech
Even zodlers dont use the shielded pools. Your contributions as the zk lab rats is appreciated though

[Anonyɱous No.54687227]

>>54687142
Even your chan abandoned you. Zog-cash doesn't pay. Why did you fail her?

[Anonymous No.54687263]

>>54683621
you can use a black marker to put dos onto the middle of the faded rectangles. if it covers more than 50% of the square area it will be valid.

i have drawn qr codes by hand, it works. and you should draw all qr that holds private keys or seeds by hand never trust any computer or printer with your entropy they are all cucked!

[Anonymous No.54687272]

>>54687263
*dots

[Anonymous No.54687282]

If monero is so anonymous, what's the point of non-kyc exchanges?

[Anonymous No.54687332]

>>54687142
Yes, we will copy (steal) your tech, thanks for testing it.

We would contribute with donations but Zooko Coin™ already has a dev tax, so good luck out there champ.

Maybe you could develop and test smart contracts for us too? Would be a great help kiddo.

[Anonymous No.54687627]

>>54687282
Because why would you want to submit yourself to some transaction sniffing data hoarding whores in the first place? They may not be able to see what you do with it once its off exchange, but youre giving away some privacy for convenience

[Anonymous No.54688017]

>>54687142
>$60K

Comedy gold.

[Anonymous No.54688100]

>>54687142
lol, don't forget to pay your taxes (you can't)

[Anonymous No.54688108]

[Anonyɱous No.54688537]

>>54688108
nice one, saved

[Anonymous No.54688656]

does anyone still have the mega link of the monerochan pics, or the picture of IRS chan having breast envy over monero chan and wownero chans big boobs

[Anonymous No.54688679]

>>54683830
>And he got off easy
>minus the wealth grab
That had to be part of the deal. "le 3 billion dollars at the bottom of a popcorn tin" yeah I'll fuckin bet. They probably asked him if he'd rather 50,000 bitcoins sitting in a wallet somewhere while he spent the rest of his life in prison.

[Anonyɱous No.54688906]

>>54688656
https://mega.nz/folder/JSYUlZrY#CxTF5PTJKcWIPt7qzduHzQ
https://mega.nz/folder/ZComhJzD#xbfcLW3an2oOZ9BctK0lIg

[Anonymous No.54688919]

>>54683150
>In order words, I don't know if (even after this reduction) monero transactions are still larger than bitcoin transactions.
I believe they are, but that just shows there is a cost to privacy. It would be much more interesting to compare what it takes to attempt some sort of privacy on the Bitcoin chain and how large those transactions are as compared to Monero transactions. Privacy isn't an optional feature, it is central in actually being a threat to the state. I do think that the size of the blockchain could eventually become a bit of a problem, but not an insurmountable one. Certainly not enough of an issue to pretend as if that will hold it back.

[Anonymous No.54688948]

>>54686499
gimme the full pic

[Anonymous No.54689627]

>>54688906
anyone got torrent of it?

[Anonymous No.54689791]

>>54662023

Your participation needed:

Global Hyperinflation. General /GHG/ >>>/pol/424425905

[Anonymous No.54690145]

>>54688948
Valid view key required.

[Anonymous No.54690190]

Why do monero mixers exist? Is monero not secure enough?

[Anonymous No.54690221]

>>54688108
Impresive, very nice.

[Anonymous No.54690673]

>>54687142
>>54687332
Is this true? Are we gonna "Extend , Embrace and Extinguish" zcash? What part of zcash is worth implementing in Monero?

[Anonymous No.54690847]

>>54690221
I try not to post too much, but I think these all look amazing.

[Anonymous No.54691044]

>>54690673
https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/100

[Anonymous No.54691056]

>>54690847
fucking saved!
more moneropiratechan pls

[Anonymous No.54691161]

So I have been wondering about cryptocurrency and how to use it for maximum privacy. My take on the whole thing, is that your always going to be glad that less private shitcoins exist to piggy back off of to go from “private digital cash government doesn’t like” to “legit cash the government likes”. For example let’s say you make enough money in monero slinging hash and you wanna buy a house now. To make that cash legit you will want to get it converted to a more centralized token like ETH, then buy an NFT artwork from yourself so that it all looks good on paper. Because getting a ton of property and shit from monero all the sudden one day looks suspicious like something the IRS needs to look into. Also, I’m still trying to look into how the situation would play out if you start with a centralized token from an exchange like ETH, then sending the ETH to a swapper, a DEX thru tor. Doesn’t the IRS computer experts that have your full identity see that your sending your ETH to a DEX to Change it into monero? How do the tax goons deal with this issue? When you suddenly disappear your ETH or bitcoin into random private wallets to exchange for monero in a decentralized peer 2 peer way? Then you spend this monero and they got no clue what your doing with it.. how and where does the heat from the tax goons disappear? I guess you have to stick with cumbersome ways to buy it like with cash by mail right?

[Anonymous No.54691303]

now that bobo is back it's time to start stacking heavy again

[Anonymous No.54691868]

>>54662730
>cryptonote is backdoored
Can I see the proofs? I googled "cryptonote is backdoored" but found... nothing.

[Anonymous No.54692230]

>>54675204
Bro this is cool.

[Anonymous No.54692258]

>>54691303
>now that bobo is back
monero's been 140-160 for like 3 months now

[Anonymous No.54692310]

>>54691868
it's unlikely to be backdoored directly, but cryptonote isn't designed for low transaction fee chains. it makes it too easy to covertly flood the decoy pool with your own decoys and reduce the ring size by more than half for a couple thou a month.

no reason to believe this hasn't been going on for years, and some noticeable drops and rebounds in tx flow in the past few years show something is up. not to mention there's zero incentive not to if you can then go around and sell that capability for 100x to exchanges or governments.

the only solution is a massive ring size jump (100x+) or move to a non-deprecated form of privacy that includes all outputs like zero knowledge proofs.

[Anonymous No.54692338]

>>54692310
>>no reason to believe this hasn't been going on for years,

Nbody is getting traced lol

[Anonymous No.54692476]

>>54692338
you don't know that, and blind faith is pure cringe especially when the actual monero developers are highly aware of this attack and have been working to rapidly (in cryptographic terms) move monero away from ring signatures in the past couple of years.

[Anonymous No.54692590]

>>54692310
Well, that is not PROOF.

[Anonymous No.54692604]

>>54692310
You can detect floods with high accuracy because they tend to look very much alike and are an anomaly on every metric. Be that tx_extra, in/out numbers, fees (raw and per kB), statistical decomposition, or many others, these are going to show any transaction spam and will allow for separation and study. In fact there was an attack by an unknown singular entity mid-2021 that got analyzed thoroughly.
>https://mitchellpkt.medium.com/fingerprinting-a-flood-forensic-statistical-analysis-of-the-mid-2021-monero-transaction-volume-a19cbf41ce60
The conclusion of the MRL on the issue was essentially that the attacker wasted ~$1k USD and harmed little to nobody.
With ring sizes now standing at 16 and base fees higher as well, dusting attacks are quite incapable to do any sort of deanonymization. This is why (>>54692338) despite taking the sub-100 IQ approach of blind faith in Monero-chain is still correct.

>>54692476
>highly aware of this attack and have been working to rapidly (in cryptographic terms) move monero away from ring signatures in the past couple of years.
The main reason for the move away from ring-signatures is not because of that. Firstly ZKP tech is getting better and there are researchers familiar with the topic at hand migrating from Zcash to Monero. Secondly, OSPEAD has showed that DSAs are bound to have human signatures and with AI getting better the threat of this getting applied is growing. Dusting attacks were more of an issue pre-ringCT, thought that was a time when some more complex heuristics could still be applied from traditional chainanalysis paradigm.

[Anonymous No.54692823]

>>54692476
>you don't know that, and blind faith is pure cringe

Can you cite any indictments or other legal documentation that details how the defendant and the XMR coins in question are inexorably linked? Because that is precisely what happens whenever crypto is involved in legal proceedings, read any relevant indictment and behold the shitload of blockchain analysis that is submitted as evidence.

Oh, you can't? Then STFU with your obvious concern trolling.

[Anonymous No.54692953]

>>54692590
>proof
nobody said there was any direct proof. why would anybody give the game away that they've turned a 16-ring tx into a 2-3 ring tx? at least all the monero devs see it as a very high priority to assume that this is an active or imminent threat.

>>54692604
no, you can't, because floods are just raising the tx noise floor over time.
they only stick out when the entities generating the noise suddenly stop and then re-start. there's been several of these strange "barts" in the tx statistics over the last few years.

the only thing stopping anyone doing this is the tx fee, which has always been as close to zero as you can reasonably get on monero. this old attack is always nice for the fanboys to trot out but the simple fact is the return on investment is non-linear. wasting $1,000 gives you nothing, adding a couple of zeroes over a 12 month period gives you nearly everything you're going to get.

>AI
you've seriously embarrassing yourself if you think "AI" is any kind of risk to monero or any blockchain. on-chain heuristics are easily detected with traditional algorithms, you don't need any kind of "AI" to detect the patterns and mixed outputs that contribute to the vast majority of deanonymizing.

>>54692823
>concern trolling
get your testosterone checked, because extreme cope like this is unmanly.
you must honestly be terrified of monero being broken because any sane person wants to know if it is, and the core developers are very much on the side of believing these attacks are either on going or imminent.

stick to spamming these dead threads with your 10 posts of pure cope and cringe. you've managed to turn the monero general into the xrp general. congratulations.

[HEX HEX HEX HEX HEX HEX HEX HEX HEX No.54693012]

>>54662085
this is more true than 1 BTC = 1 BTC

[Anonymous No.54693014]

>>54688906
Thank you so much!

[Anonymous No.54693017]

>>54692953

So, no evidence?

[Anonymous No.54693074]

In the future when the cloud provides everything consumers need, where will botnets recruit mining labor?

[Anonymous No.54693432]

i love this general because i can get plenty of YOUs just by dissing monero

[Anonymous No.54693511]

>>54692953
Please read what other people link before trying to argue against it. This just makes you look like a retard. But to point out a few things:

>no, you can't, because floods are just raising the tx noise floor over time.
Consistency or longevity doesn't stop statistical anomalies.
>there's been several of these strange "barts" in the tx statistics over the last few years.
A naive observer will look at the raw tx graph and will see various discontinuities, anomalies, etc. TX number going up does not constitute anomalous growth. See picrel. Many times those can be explained by stuff relating to the ecosystem such as DNM closure/(re)opening/increase in sales, HFs, mining pools doing stuff. We just recently fixed the fact that p2pool spammed outputs. But I guess you just looked at chart and said "that's a bart, must be the glowies!"
>the only thing stopping anyone doing this is the tx fee, which has always been as close to zero as you can reasonably get on monero
This is surprising, you did not only forgot to read the example I sent, but also the very post you replied to.
>adding a couple of zeroes over a 12 month period gives you nearly everything you're going to get.
>implying costs and efficiency scales linearly
So Monero has a thing called "dynamic block sizing" and that includes a so-called "penalty area" of higher fees. In order to get to get close to any significant likelihood of de-anonymization, you will have to do more transactions obviously. But then transactions would get so numerous that it'd go into the penalty area and pay several times the fees. Also that'd be HIGHLY DETECTABLE.
>you've seriously embarrassing yourself if you think "AI" is any kind of risk to monero or any blockchain
To be fair I did not expect you to understand the current problems with our DSA. But to get started I recommend you read
>https://wiki.lunardao.net/monero.html
>https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/Rucknium-OSPEAD-Fortifying-Monero-Against-Statistical-Attack.html

[Anonymous No.54693520]

>>54693432
You're welcome.

[Anonymous No.54693802]

Is Monero compromised?

>fortune com/2023/04/14/bitcoin-thief-james-zhong-sentenced-to-prison/

>A Georgia man who stole more than 50,000 Bitcoin from the Silk Road drug-trafficking site before his cache hit $3.35 billion in value was ordered to serve a year and a day in prison.
>US District Judge Paul Gardephe cited the “highly sophisticated nature of the crime” and Zhong’s active concealment of the stolen Bitcoin for nine years until agents raided his house. Zhong faced between 27 and 33 months in prison under advisory guidelines, but Gardephe said he was granting leniency because of the “truly unique circumstances” in the case. Still, the judge said he also wanted to deter other criminals.
>moving the Bitcoin through so-called mixers that make it harder to trace transactions by jumbling tokens together

There is no way this guy didn't know about Monero right? Could it have been traced purely on metadata or is XMR done for?

[Anonymous No.54693853]

>>54693802
>There is no way this guy didn't know about Monero right? Could it have been traced purely on metadata or is XMR done for?

Oh look, another concern troll incapable of doing basic research.

Silk Road was taken down in 2013, dipshit, Monero didn't even launch until the next year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)

FUD harder.

[Anonyɱous No.54694042]

>>54693802
>There is no way this guy didn't know about Monero right?
he knew. he chose not to get to xmr for the same reasons others like picrel >>54692338 and >>54692823 only took a quick dip in the xmr pool, greed. pure greed. materialists like this move at the speed of "more". Privacy with micro inflation keeps such riff raff out. We are the cleanest crypto out there.

[Anonymous No.54694215]

>>54693802
Im trying yo find the court filings on this, but from everything ive read, this would be bullish for xmr lol.
>>54693853
Kek fudders, i wonder what they will do with those tainted btc, sell them i assume but damn, i wouldnt want those glowcoins in my wallet.

[Anonymous No.54694216]

Noob question: Is it possible to turn a 24-word seed phrase into a 25-word one, i.e. adding the 25th checksum word by generating it from the 24 words?

[Anonyɱous No.54694443]

>>54694216
Technically yes.
It is up to wallet devs if they choose to require the checksum for restore. feather does, and I believe gui doesn't.

[Anonymous No.54694535]

>>54693853
>>54694042
>>54694215
>Silk Road was taken down in 2013, dipshit
my point exactly, this guy was obviously early and very involved in crypto, managing to stay under the radar for 9 years

>Im trying to find the court filings on this
thanks, the only thing the article mentions is the use of mixers, which we now know are 100% USELESS

in any case, the guy got to live a crazy lifestyle for 9 years and it only costs him 1 year of prison

[Anonymous No.54694551]

>>54662023
I have 1200 XMR, ama

[Anonymous No.54694579]

>>54694551
since you're disclosing, what's your seed phrase?

[Anonymous No.54694593]

>>54694551
>I have 1200 XMR, ama

I have 1488 XMR, rahowa

[Anonymous No.54694599]

>>54694551
average buy price?

[Anonymous No.54694894]

>>54694551
why the fuck would you say this you retard LOL you own monero and basically just undid the whole point of owning it. HAHA god this board is a bunch of fucking retards

[Anonymous No.54694962]

>>54694894
>undid the whole point of owning
>dosent underatand the nuance of plausible deniability
Midwit

[Anonyɱous No.54694992]

>>54694579
>what's your seed phrase?
forgot picrel

[Anonymous No.54695032]

He's at it again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SANFAxu9mqg

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZjcFRdvbjc

[Anonymous No.54695064]

>>54695032
>Maxi writes biased and scathing review.
Who cares.

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.54695072]

>>54694894
I own 124.75 Monero.

Good luck proving or disproving the validity of that statement (It is false, but even that disclosure could be a lie)

[Anonymous No.54695502]

>>54694599
$12

[Anonymous No.54695985]

Mathew from Bitcoin University has seriously rustled my jimmies. He made like 2 good arguments but obfuscated them within a maelstrom of gaslighting.

>monero's tx_size is a detriment to scaling
>bitcoin's bloated NFT filled blockchain is perfectly fine

>Monero's network is easier to attack because it does not have asics
>Bitcoin's mining cartel is great for bitcoin and has no downsides(even though they purposely stifle bitcoin's tech progress).

I take solace on the fact that in the end, only the most capable and technologically efficient blockchain will survive the full crushing force of the world government's financial crackdown. And so far, monero is second to none

[Anonymous No.54696002]

>>54694894
He only fucked up if he posted from his real I.P

If he posted through a VPN he is within his right of disclosing just how comfy he is

[Anonymous No.54696014]

Mathew from Bitcoin University has seriously rustled my jimmies. He made like 2 good arguments but obfuscated them within a maelstrom of gaslighting.

>monero's tx_size is a detriment to scaling
>bitcoin's bloated NFT filled blockchain is perfectly fine

>Monero's network is easier to attack because it does not have asics
>Bitcoin's mining cartel is great for bitcoin and has no downsides(even though they purposely stifle bitcoin's tech progress).

I take solace on the fact that in the end, only the most capable and technologically efficient blockchain will survive the full crushing force of the world government's financial crackdown. And so far, monero is second to none

[Anonymous No.54696079]

>>54696002
IP =/= identity =/= identity on the isp contract
it's meaningless

[Anonymous No.54696128]

>>54696014

Who gives a fuck what these numbskulls think? Its not like Monero is dependant on "muh investors" for survival, the only people that needed convincing i.e. the darknet elders have already flipped for Monero and are actively railing against Bitcoin now.

Just sit back and enjoy the slow.

[Anonymous No.54696167]

>>54696079
Yes, these schizo's think they have the same threat model as snowden desu

[Anonymous No.54696180]

price is irrelevant
don't forget what this is all about
use it
this is a very long game

[Anonymous No.54696777]

>>54665505
AYO

[Anonymous No.54696873]

>>54687142
I will post this meme on January 1st, 2025. Idk bro, I don't think Zcash will be even 1/16th of that price.

[Anonymous No.54697148]

Do I need to two wallets if buying from Kraken?

Example:

KRAKEN -> WALLET 1 -> WALLET 2 -> WHAT I WANT TO PAY/BUY/TRANSFER

[Anonymous No.54697154]

Is honey for XMR anon still around? I want your magical honey

[Anonymous No.54697441]

>>54662023
Is it normal to want to be sexually dominated by monerochan

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.54697511]

>>54697148
exchange -> Monero Subaddress -> spend

[Anonymous No.54697554]

>>54697511
Please, explain like I'm retardmaxx

[Anonymous No.54697669]

>>54697511
How do you make a subadress in the official GUI

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.54697716]

>>54697554
A subaddress is basically a different version of your wallet address that can still receive funds. It cannot be linked back to your main address by an outside observer.

>>54697669
Receive -> Create new address

Main addresses start with "4", subaddresses start with "8" You can generate as many as you need.

[Anonymous No.54697792]

>>54696873

kek and I'll send you a postcard from the moon.

ZKPs win, decoys lose. Keep coping.

[Anonymous No.54697815]

Zcash simply cant lose in the long run, Google zero knowledge proofs.

[Anonymous No.54697876]

>>54697511
Why need sub address? Isn't it all invisible anyway?

[Anonymous No.54698042]

>>54667439
Sup, I was one of the recipients of the MAGIC Grant scholarships.
I don't see what the problem is with MAGIC.
I'm an undergrad CS + Math student that wants to use that knowledge to hopefully improve Monero, once I understand it enough to make meaningful proposals.
I was very grateful for the scholarship because I wasn't given enough in loans to cover my tuition but MAGIC got me over that.

They are a public charity and have funded research into ETH atomic swaps and security audits.
So I fail to see how they are not aligned with the Monero community's values.
Also the voters of the fund (https://magicgrants.org/funds/monero/monero_fund_voters/)) is a pretty diverse community of many recognizable names in the space.

CCS is great, I don't see why an additional charity would do any harm.

Cake Labs is a business, but the wallet is free and open source. Their revenue comes from Cake Pay gift cards which is optional.
Of course Cake Wallet is not the most privacy preserving or secure way of using Monero, I've heard Justin openly admit that online.
But Cake is good enough for easy onboarding for normies, and for casual use. They also offer full tutorials on how to harden your installation on your device, if you want.
I think it's impractical to expect that everyone using Monero needs a Librebooted Thinkpad from 2007 running a full node through TOR,
even though that's based and would be super cool if everyone did.

Also, if Monero can be controlled by corporations, is it decentralized enough?

[Anonymous No.54698108]

>>54697511
>exchange -> Monero Subaddress -> spend
Why not use the main address?

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.54698114]

>>54697876
It's already private but with a subaddress you can avoid having the same string posted across multiple online platforms (linking identities) or avoid disclosing your "real" address to people paying you.

[Anonymous No.54698125]

>>54697792
>>54697815
I'll take the bait, but zk-STARKS > zk-SNARKS
>Google zero knowledge proofs
>>54676655
>"also uses ZKP tech, just doesn't make a big deal out of it"
I love whoever made this meme.
Bullet proofs are zk proofs lol.
Monero will most likely switch to zk STARKS in the future once it is battle tested enough.
I'll take larger tx sizes than zk SNARKS over a Trusted Setup any day.

[Anonymous No.54698147]

>>54698108
really?

[Anonymous No.54698156]

>>54697876
if you use the same address everytime you withdraw funs, will be more easier to track you.
thats why you must a new subaddress each time you withdraw Anyways I dont recommend to withdraw xmr directly from a exchange, I prefer to use a change/swap service to have other layer in between.

[Anonymous No.54698180]

>>54698147
Im a monero beginner and a retard anon sorry

[Anonymous No.54699151]

>>54664288
Check'd fren

[Anonymous No.54699176]

>>54698156
That's not true.
See: >>54698114

[Anonymous No.54699255]

>>54698180
I'll hop in since I am generally low IQ as is.
so your 'main' address starts with a '4' and your 'receiving wallets' addresses start with '8' (you can make as many of those as you like which is neat).
You want to use the '8' address because you can create new ones infinitely (maintaining your privacy) unlike the '4' address that doesn't change unless you create a whole new wallet (instead of generating a simple '8', receiving address in your already existing wallet).
Basically, if you post your '4' address anywhere on the internet it might be linked to you, which is why you can easily create a new '8' address so you don't start linking things to yourself to maintain your privacy.

[Anonymous No.54699501]

>>54697716
Thank you just learning and fucking around with i2pd lot of shit happened since SR

[Anonymous No.54699869]

>>54697441
perfectly normal anon

[Anonymous No.54700145]

>>54665054
/XMR/ general weekly book club - WEEK 2

This is the second week of the book club. This week we continued by read chapters 4-6 of the book "The Sovereign Individual" by Sir William Rees-Mogg and James Dale Davidson. The first chapter teased us with the Informational Age, and now book has laid the groundwork used for the justify its conclusions and further elaborate.

Now onto brief description of the chapters and questions for discussion:

[Anonymous No.54700162]

>>54700145
>Chapter 4: The last days of politics, Parallels Between the Senile Decline of the
Holy Mother Church and the Nanny State
> o speak of the coming death of politics is bound to seem ridiculous or optimistic, depending on your disposition. Yet that is what the Information Revolution is likely to bring. [...] Yet politics in the modern sense, as the preoccupation with controlling and rationalizing the power of the state, is mostly a modern invention.
Continuing from where the previous chapter left off, this one discusses which megapolitical factors contributed to the fall of the medieval Church, the main one being rising returns on violence and its scale. It also draws numerous paralells between the Church and the modern democratic welfare state pointing out how misguided the common interpretation of these concepts are. As the Church became an ever growing and substancial drag on the economy, so is the modern nation-state, thus radical changes in the structure of the State will happen.

>Chapter 5: The life and death of the nation-state, Democracy and Nationalism as resource strategies in the age of violence
> When the walls of San Giovanni fell, it was a stark demonstration that the economic returns to violence in the world had risen sharply. The fall of the Berlin Wall says something different, namely that returns to violence are now falling. This is something that few have even begun to recognize, but it will have dramatic consequences.
This chapter mainly tackles the rise and fall of the modern nation-state, the rise mainly being driven by gunpowder setting the megapolitical stage of "magnitude over efficiency". This in turn created governments of employees, one of chronic deficits and ever expanding revenue and power. Alongside with large companies vulnerable to extortion by unions.

[Anonymous No.54700182]

>>54700162
>Chapter 6: The Megapolitics of the Information Age, the triumph of efficiency over power
>The fortunes of governments will follow those of their counterparts, the unions, into decline. [...] Technology is precipitating a profound change in the logic of extortion and protection.
The last chapter read discusses the shifting dynamics of protection and extortion, using unions and governments to display their effects. It also makes some outlandish by 90s, but more and more reasonable predictions going into the 21st century, "virtual companies" operating with contractors and videoconferencing, and the overall down-scaling of firms with them becoming dynamic, non-linear, and overall more resistant to extortion, whether by that be governments, unions, or other parties. Interestingly enough, it even goes as far as to predict mass-use of voice synthesizers and AI assistants. Afterwards it goes on to discuss the monopoly of State protection and its evolution.

Questions:
1. Even more to the modern nation-state than the medieval Church, societal welfare was their de-facto job. On a smaller scale, would new manners of providing welfare arise/have already arisen in the Information Age? Would they be/Are they non-profit or profit, and would they/are they just a fading artifact?
2. Chapter 6 mentions individuals now being able to "act after death" thanks to technology. In the current day and age we call these "dead-man switches". Will the progress of technology allow for even direct murder to not be a 100% stop to the activities of an individual?
3. What are your thoughts on authors' description of the incoming Information Age, cybereconomies, the shifting balance between protection and extortion, etc?

But as always, feel encouraged to share your own thoughts and opinions.

At the usual pace, chapters 7-9 by the 30th of April. The site will be updated Monday morning with this post and discussions.

[Anonymous No.54700517]

>>54662023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofCZNgnPtqU

[Anonymous No.54700668]

>>54696167
the problem is automation. If the data is stored it call be pulled for an audit or what not.
VPNs probably are less safe than just using regular ip. It targets you with the intent of bullshit, while VPN corporations are just that, compliant corporations that log user data

[Anonymous No.54701075]

>>54667439
Cake Wallet was the most recommended wallet on r/darknet for quite some time (I think it still is) and is arguably the very first Monero focused coin swap exchange. Your concerns are reaching because Cakewallet has unironically contributed more growth to Monero's userbase than any other wallet combined.
Mobile wallets are generally recommended to newbies who want to try out crypto, but they should never be recommended to anybody looking to store Monero.
Vik has also donated a lot of money to very good projects. So while he may have influence, it's influence that has gone back into the community.
Regarding Magic, they are just a separate entity that donates to Monero research. I don't see anything they have funded which goes against what Monero stands for. Furthermore, the purpose of a decentralized project is that it is decentralized and private entities and invest into it. See: Google investments into linux, Department of State investing in TOR.
Regarding Haveno, the project was dead and needed investment.
>>54669872
>I do, too. I would prefer, however, that Cake stuck to making mobile wallets that aren't branded as "Monero.com."
This has literally nothing to do with the topic of Haveno.


So in short, your posts reek of concern trolling and downplaying how important cakewallet has been to Monero's significant userbase growth since its inception.

[Anonymous No.54701170]

>>54700517
YJK

[Anonymous No.54701209]

>>54700182
Well its a 50/50 the book provides defense vs offense analogys, if offense is better then nation states win if defense is better then smaller communitys/individuals win, everything will depend how technology keeps developing if we reach a quantum AI capable of breaking cryptography that favours nation states at the same time ai is a tool that probably gives higher gains to the individuals than gains to the state, robotics is another topic that would favor the state in the short run because you can mass produce killer robots but as they become cheaper they will favour the individual for example someone defending their farm over an intruder, another factor that will win in the long term is inflation, if governments cant win against cryptocurrency they will lose their ability to print money and consecuently they would lose the ability to mass produce Killer robots, also i didnt mention 3d printing which favours the individual.

[Anonymous No.54701227]

>>54700145
damn i'm behind on this already, good post though, infinitely more interesting than refuting the same worn out zec fudders on repeat

[Anonymous No.54701277]

>>54700668
I repeat, IP =/= identity of the person who uses that IP
you don't know how public ips works

[Anonymous No.54701606]

>>54701209
The whole premise behind their prediction of nation states failing is that modern tech and the cyber-economy make it much easier for entities to protect themselves from extortion. So if one country is unleashing killer robots like you say, or forcing ridiculous taxes and ideology down peoples throat, or banning certain technologies, then thanks to those same technologies and others, entities can leave for a place that treats them better with minimal disruption to their livelihood if they are truly an intelligent sovereign individual.
Dr. Daniel Kim touched on that in the monero redpill video, saying that if countries start banning Monero, it will incentivize sovereign individuals to move to other countries which are monero friendly. That's the reality now where you can just get up an go where you're treated best. I know that a lot of Americans are moving to Latin America because while the governments there are corrupt, they are much less overbearing and able to extend control/influence over their population. And some countries, like El Salvador, are beginning to catch on and are trying to be tech friendly and attractive to digital nomads. I think this trend will continue, especially if covid-esque events live climate lockdowns will be a thing now, and certain countries are able to disregard these event and allow their populations to live normally. The cyber economy enables people to earn their money location independently which is a massive megapolotical force that hasn't been seen before and will continue to have huge implications, which according to the authors of sovereign individual, include the fall of nation states as a relevant concept.
Look at the berlin wall example used in the book, how people were literally trapped inside a territory by an overbearing government, only for the government to crumble and fail, their wall ultimately useless.
>>54701227
More good stuff to come, such as the discussion on neo-luddites.

[Anonymous No.54701888]

>>54698042
>I received some money from them, so I think they're pretty cool.
That's nice, anon.
>They are a public charity and have funded research into ETH atomic swaps and security audits.
This is an exhaustive list of (2) projects funded by the MAGIC Monero Fund. Neither project explicitly threatens Cake's business model. You may have a point if MMF funds are disbursed to a project proposal that competes directly with Cake Pay.
>Also the voters of the fund (https://magicgrants.org/funds/monero/monero_fund_voters/)) is a pretty diverse community of many recognizable names in the space.
MAGIC Grants != MAGIC Monero Fund - MAGIC Grants is the parent organization of the MAGIC Monero Fund. Not only are MAGIC Monero Fund voters "added or removed at MAGIC Grants’s discretion," the MAGIC Grants board (3 members, including Justin - Cake employee) reserve the right to veto any decision made by the MAGIC Monero Fund. Pic related (https://magicgrants.org/funds/monero/monero_fund/).). MAGIC Monero Fund voting is purely symbolic.
>CCS is great, I don't see why an additional charity would do any harm.
>Also, if Monero can be controlled by corporations, is it decentralized enough?
Development funding will always be the weakest link of any crypto project. A company that influences this funding will always have a substantial degree of control over the crypto project. Your background as a recipient of MAGIC funding is testament to that.

[Anonymous No.54702189]

>>54701075
>Cake Wallet very good.
>Vik Sharma very cool.
>MAGIC definitely independent.
>Still going on about Haveno.
lmao
>So in short, your posts reek of concern trolling and downplaying how important cakewallet has been to Monero's significant userbase growth since its inception.
Your post isn't an argument. Cake provides a Monero-reliant product; Cake is therefore incentivized to "grow" Monero's userbase. This "growth" augments Cake's profits, and these profits are "invested" back into the Monero community - often in the form of advertisements and acquisitions. These "investments" further solidify Cake as the de facto authority in Monero's development and community.

Cake's actions very obviously erode the *decentralized* development of Monero, and having fewer points of failure for a project like Monero is an absolute non-starter. I'm fucking perplexed why this has to be repeatedly explained here.

[Anonymous No.54702421]

>>54702189
>Cake's actions very obviously erode the *decentralized* development of Monero

you stupid nigger communist fagot. Hate to quote Peterson, but what is selection and what are hierarchies. There is always some one or some entity which is the best/top at something. Be that cake or the monero core devs in moneros case.
The idea behind blockchains is that you can fork or make your own if you dont like the code of the current one. So far I like every update made on monero, be it the core devs, cake or anon donors. If I didn't I would fork, switch to something else or make my own. stupid cattle nigger, the irony of using a macfee picture who rim you a new asshole. Only a bitcoin subhuman freak could say something like No UpDaTes MeaNs No CeTrLisation bro.
RandomX means you can mine it or fork if you so wish, the hashing power is determined by direct democracy.

T. concern fag or just a retard

[Anonymous No.54702518]

>>54701209
I'd argue there is a much more profound shift rather than just a simple collection of technologies getting introduced each altering these factors. Even if nation-states can institute CBDCs or manufacture killer robots nudging up their offensive capabilities, the means of protection and in turn fighting back have moved onto another plane.
Just taking your example, setting up the large scale manufacture of killer robots would be immensely resource intensive as opposed to 3d printing an EMP gun or an exploit to possibly shut down entire cohorts of robots. Not only that, but fighting back against a killer robot factory itself is increasingly easy due to their nature of being an Industrial Age structure in the Information Age, kind of similar to trying to enact a subsistence farming on an industrial country. Any nation-state attempting a killer-robot factory will have a positive/negative reactions from their allies, enemies, trade partners, other numerous governmental/non-governmental alliances. Alongside with the people themselves required to construct, defend, and run such an operation gives rise to innumerable weak points from intelligence leaks, software exploits, plain old raiding the warehouse/worker strikes, or any one of their many supplies and contractors refusing/made to refuse their orders required for construction.

>>54701606
Eastern Europe and other "2nd world" countries had that trend for some decades now. Young people who actively seek to be more productive or take a look at the livelihoods of older people around them simply start moving out in very large numbers with no regards as to "nationalism" or "homesickness" as they are now able to enjoy staying in contact with what they actually need. For example, family and friends can be talked with online and products can be shipped cheaply and plane travel is now incredibly more affordable than it was. As barriers for migration fall with tech the vision of the book will become more of a reality.

[Anonymous No.54702551]

>>54702518
Also it didn't fit in because of the character limit, but the picrel of >>54701606 reminded me of the anon that ran a BBS with really cool Monero-chan BBS art (it was even commissioned iirc). Whatever happened to that? Is it still online? I remember connecting and using it, but no longer have the address.

[Anonymous No.54702769]

>>54700145
How long is this book? I might give it a quick read.

[Anonymous No.54702959]

>54702421
>just fork and maintain your own monero, bro
>accusations of being a bitshitter
you're not getting a (You)

[Anonymous No.54703032]

>>54702769
Well the total of the version that is up on the site and I'm using is 251 pages (excluding the notes, afterword, cover, etc), though it might vary on the print, format, etc. One chapter is ~20 pages give or take so the current pace is ~60 pages a week. I do recommend you read into as it might serve as the best case for cryptocurrencies and cypherpunk ideology.

[Anonymous No.54703464]

>>54702189
It's as if my point about Google and the department of defence heavily investing in Foss completely flew over your subhuman brain.

[Anonymous No.54703488]

>>54699255
I see, very informative, good to know anon thx

[Anonymous No.54703564]

>>54703464
"Concern trolling" is the means by which attention is brought to the community. Anon has a concern, a very valid one at that.

I like vik and justin a lot, but you'd be a fool to trust a for-profit company to make decisions regarding development for your free and open source (as in, all native profit motives have been removed) software project. It is literally BEGGING to be sold a solution to a problem that could have been fixed with code for $0.

[Anonymous No.54703620]

>>54703464
It's as if your point about Google and the Department of Defense are apples to Cake Wallet's orange. I think a comparison to Blockstream is more fitting. See: >>54703564

[Anonymous No.54703691]

>>54703564
>to make decisions regarding development for your free and open source
confirmed for never having attended a MRL or dev meeting.
>>54703620
>It's as if your point about Google and the Department of Defense are apples to Cake Wallet's orange
"um guys, the largest silicone valley company is investing in Linux. How can we trust that developers won't become compromised by them putting in heckin backdoors or pro-surveillance decision making!!?!?"
That's what you sound like. FOSS projects can become infiltrated but you have literally no actual basis to disliking Magic other than making the leap that they must be like Blockstream "because well, they just must be bad okay?"

[Anonymous No.54703752]

name me a single bad thing about the grants being raised here: https://magicgrants.org/

"oh no a heckin scholarship for somebody interested in learning crypto"
"oh no a heckin research paper"
"oh no another heckin research paper'"

[Anonymous No.54704254]

Has anyone made monero-chan in VAM?

[Anonymous No.54704326]

>>54703691
>>54703752
I'm not comparing MAGIC Grants to Blockstream, I'm comparing Cake to Blockstream. MAGIC Grants - founded by a Cake employee - is simply a funding institution that Cake can (read: *CAN*) influence, via the aforementioned employee. MAGIC Grants is one example of this developing influence.

Why are you so aggressively stupid? Fucking hell, anon. If someone puts a gun to your head, do you defend him by saying, "He won't kill me because he hasn't killed anyone before!" God forbid I inform you about the potential consequences of a gun pointed at your head.

[Anonymous No.54704365]

we won

https://youtu.be/i7fnlJ60RO8

[Anonymous No.54704379]

>>54704326
>For the uninformed: this "fund" - and its parent organization, MAGIC Grants - aren't affiliated with the actual, open-source Monero Project or its Community Crowdfunding System (CCS). In fact, the founder of MAGIC Grants, Justin Ehrenhofer, is listed as the VP of Operations at Cake Labs. This is especially concerning, because MAGIC Grants reserves the right to veto any funding decision made by the MAGIC Monero Fund. Can you imagine if the disbursement of CCS funding was influenced by the whims of a single corporation?
>If this insidious corporate growth doesn't concern you, find another coin. If it does, consider recommending Cakewallet alternatives.

lmfao. "guys I'm not concern trolling, seriously guys". Yet you wrote the above which is just dripping with concern trolling.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me whats wrong with any of those magic grants, because there is nothing wrong with it.

[Anonyɱous No.54704436]

>>54678233
>monero might be getting its first airgapped cold wallet
sooner than you think

[Anonymous No.54704731]

>>54704379
>highlighting a corporate conflict of interest is concern trolling
Kek, you're definitely "known" to the Monero community. I bet you're super important, too.

[Anonymous No.54705423]

>>54701888
I recognize that receiving money from them taints my objectivity, but its $1000 that's already been payed. I don't need to be loyal to them anymore, especially as an anon.

I was not aware of their veto rights, and the complete structure of MAGIC, so thank you for this!
Though, don't you think that if they veto'd a decision that the Fund voters vastly support, which reflects the community's desires, that they would lose all credibility in the Monero community? People would then point out how Cake is connected and less people would trust them, or fork the wallet.

>You may have a point if MMF funds are disbursed to a project proposal that competes directly with Cake Pay.
So the MMF should donate money to projects that... sell gift cards for Monero.
What?
>Neither project explicitly threatens Cake's business model
ETH-XMR atomic swaps would undermine Cake Wallet's exchange feature.
The exchange feature is a swap aggregator that earns affiliate link fees.

>Development funding will always be the weakest link of any crypto project
What is the solution to this?
It seems yours is that the Monero community should just tell them to fuck off, but that's not how incentives work.
They offer a product that is seen as useful to many people, who aren't going to stop using it until either a better solution is created, or they tarnish their reputation.
They have yet to do so.
>>But they might
I think the incentives are greater to allow MAGIC to continue supporting Monero's development until they fuck up and there is community backlash, than to tell them to fuck off right now because well, they might be bad down the road.

>Your background as a recipient of MAGIC funding is testament to that.
I couldn't give a fuck about what Vik and Justin thinks when I push my first commit to Monero.

Again, Cake sells gift cards bro, I'm not worried about them taking control over the project.

[Anonymous No.54705605]

>>54702959
>just fork and maintain your own monero, bro
yes. You have several XMR clones already, some are cancerous, some neutral like Wownero and some try to be a thing like XHV. I know ith hard to make a fork, not that it matters, if monero went to shit the smart guys would fork it and 99.9% of us would follow, just look xmr classic, no one remained on that boat.
How would your propose noble archer to solve the problem of one entity making most commits or donations to XMR? Bitshits solved it (kek) via fetal ethanol syndrom by never updating it.
The solution to this issue is in the ethos of open source and block chan tech. by the vigil of the people using and updating it. There is huge financial incentive in being a bc developer. Random shit coins pump and devs get 100 mil $ rags to riches overnight. If no one wanted take it over if it was hypothetically abandoned, that it would mean sits not work shit anyway.
Shit if monero was co-opted and there were zero devs left, I would learn rust my self to make a copy of it with a 90% premine to just work as mixer to become a multimillionaire over night.

[Anonymous No.54705731]

ah yes, another group of melanated individuals shitting up the xmr thread with failed shitcoins

[Anonymous No.54705855]

>>54704326
>>54704379
everyone is sucking cake dick in the Monero community.

Look at the "thought leaders"

they never mention any wallets besides cake.

they are all bought and paid for.

[Anonymous No.54705977]

>>54705855
thank you for coming here and telling the truth, I just traded all my Monero for Bitcoin and USD which don't have that problem

[Anonymous No.54706082]

>>54705855
Who are the "thought leaders"?

>they never mention any wallets besides cake
I've heard Justin clarify himself multiple times that Cake is not the best Monero wallet for all situations, especially OPSEC critical ones.
He recommends the official monero-wallet-gui/cli and using paper and hardware wallets all the time.

>they are all bought and paid for
Yes, they sponsor events and podcasts.

[Anonymous No.54706110]

>>54705855
look, he still hasn't answered what grants given out by magic are bad!
aaaaaaa le cake is going to destroy Monero even though they have literally nothing to do with the MRL and Dev input.
Fucking lol
>>54704731
>highlighting a corporate conflict of interest is concern trolling
And yet again ignoring the literal millions of examples of companies investing in FOSS.

[Anonymous No.54706477]

>>54706110
you sound like you have pajeet dick deep up your fucking ass.

calm the fuck down faggot.

[Anonymous No.54707281]

>>54705423
>Though, don't you think that if they veto'd a decision that the Fund voters vastly support, which reflects the community's desires, that they would lose all credibility in the Monero community?
Tangential, but I don't recall any public inquisition after Cake committed to selling Monero.com at cost (~$316k), only for no sale to occur - even after 2500 XMR (~$375k) was donated for the purchase of the domain. See pic
https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2013#issuecomment-1210881616
and
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11fslu9/monero_general_fund_transparency_report_march_2023/

>So the MMF should donate money to projects that... sell gift cards for Monero.
Alright, I'll admit that was a silly hypothetical. Really, though, veto power wouldn't *exclusively* be used to smother competitors. Veto power can, behind closed doors, also be used to coerce dev behavior in ways that may advantage Cake - e.g., "do/don't do x, otherwise we may decide to veto your quarterly project funding."
>ETH-XMR atomic swaps would undermine Cake Wallet's exchange feature.
I hate to say this, but with the proliferation of moderate-liquidity, non-kyc options, atomic swaps wouldn't move the needle for most end users currently - especially if inconvenient/illiquid. The MMF gets a nice signal boost for hosting atomic swap funding, however.

>>Development funding will always be the weakest link of any crypto project
>What is the solution to this?
MAGIC's primary competitive advantage is the ability to disburse fiat to projects that require non-volatile funding. The simplest solution is to introduce fiat disbursement options to the CCS. How? I dunno.

>I couldn't give a fuck about what Vik and Justin thinks when I push my first commit to Monero.
Based. If that's the case, I sincerely wish you the best of luck. My intention here is only to connect the dots for others and cockblock corporate metastases.

[Anonymous No.54707525]

>>54705423
>>54707281
Correction: it wasn't a "commitment" to sell Monero.com, but a public, conditional openness. Due to the 2500 XMR donation, I'm inclined to believe the Monero Core team were willing to meet Vik's stated condition of sale. Not a great look for Cake to retain the domain, all things considered.

[Anonymous No.54707891]

I use pic related to buy lots of monero by paying people P2P with localmonero. Does anyone know if the irs would start looking deeper if I sent thousands to multiple diff strangers thru this? What’s a good way out of this? “I just bought uhh cookies from everyone?”

[Anonymous No.54708022]

>BREAKING NEWS

Sonanza Market has just announced they're ditching Bitcoin and going 100% Monero-only.

>Sonanza Market is now almost 11 months old and we've been working hard throughout this time to ensure we can offer the best experience to buyers and vendors alike. We recently took the decision to switch to XMR only in the interests of ensuring the best possible security and safety. We truly believe XMR is the gold standard in that regard.

Monero's triumphant conquest of the darknet continues.......

[Anonymous No.54708035]

>>54708022
>darknet website still using Bitcoin

Holy honeypot

[Anonymous No.54708331]

>>54708035

There's still a few left lol

[Anonymous No.54708376]

>>54707891
Well to be honest they would need some omniscience, maybe an ai that studys consumer behavior but even then its not diferent than buying bitcoin and hodling most bitcoiners are relying on the fact goverment will not try to seize their bitcoin like the goverment seized gold in 1933 the diference is they don't know if you have gold or how much.

[Anonymous No.54708466]

I lost faith in the CCS when they funded the haveno frontend without a working backend released, for a fuck ton of money, while it had some "council" bullshit attached

[Anonymous No.54709202]

>>54708022

And soon they'll be ditching Monero for Zcash. Screencap this.

[Anonymous No.54709265]

Ever notice how Bitcoin maxis never talk about the day-to-day use of using Bitcoin as a means of exchange (aka as a currency) and never go in depth about the technology behind it?
They mostly speak of it as a concept, because it seems logical and even good to have a currency not controlled by politicians and that is immune to inflation (as soon as Bitcoin hits its cap of 21M coins). They even claim that their coin is private, despite knowing that every single transaction is shown on a transparent blockchain.
I have my doubts there are real people even transacting Bitcoin, even those who claim to do so most likely use the lightning network or something of that sort. The only people transacting in Bitcoin are probably the ones that are looking for a means of storing value and not much else, hodling it until God knows when.
Bitcoin will eventually fade away, but all the damage that it would imply could be catastrophic to other currencies. I'm sure regulators probably like Bitcoin, but they have to keep a facade. It's the perfect controlled opposition to their currency: with KYC, they can know everything that happens in a transaction. People can try and avoid regulators as much as they can, but the pseudonymous nature of Bitcoin makes it impossible, they're just delaying it.

[Anonymous No.54709613]

>>54709202
Bad news paypig, your master demands more taxes. Better chip in as fast as you can.

[Anonymous No.54709740]

>>54662023
>want to buy some XMR
>try verifying on Kraken
>some error with verifying my utility bill
>get it handled quicker via the Support chat
>after uploading a selfie, the verification must be manually handled and can take up to 48 hours

>try my Bitstamp acc
>need to install their fucking app to verify yourself

>try my BitFinex acc
>need to get a link sent to my phone and take photographs of front/back of my ID + a selfie, add other personal information
>that succeeds after a while
>"All withdrawals are blocked for 72 hours after making a deposit via debit/bank et c"

FUCK
THIS
FUCKING
SHIT
FUCK

[Anonymous No.54709772]

>>54709740
Why are you in such a rush? Relax, it's not going anywhere.

For future reference, you are better off buying BTC directly with a debit card (there are many options for this, CakeWallet, CashApp to name two) and then swap for Monero on trocador or some other swap service.

trocador.app
trocadorfyhlu27aefre5u7zri66gudtzdyelymftvr4yjwcxhfaqsid.onion/

[Anonymous No.54709832]

>>54709772
wanting to be able to use a currency or put it in your local wallet within 2-3 days = being in a rush?

[Anonymous No.54709890]

>>54694551
what do you do with that much monero?
serious question... like at that point, you already own so many moneros that everything you'd want to purchase with said monero is right at your metaphorical fingertips...
what now, anon?
hiss...?

[Anonymous No.54709894]

>>54709832
There are plenty of ways to do that effectively. Not my fault anon picked the slowest, least efficient and most KYC cucked route.

[Anonymous No.54709898]

>>54697554

[Anonymous No.54709918]

>>54709772
See this is the kinda thing I question. If you buy bitcoin from cake wallet the swap for monero does anyone in the irs ever track down people doing this? Buying bitcoin, they wanna know it, then sending it to another wallet they trace it. Swap if for another crypto in a DEX they say, “where is your bitcoin disappearing too?” If you report monero, you pay taxes. Meaning they know roughly how much monero your collecting. How do you keep the tax goons heat off?

[Anonymous No.54709950]

>>54709894
>not my fault
and also not the point of what I wrote jut okay

[Anonymous No.54710013]

>>54709890
That's barely 1 used semi-recent Lambo.
50x increase in market cap will fix this. Then he can buy real man's stuff.

[Anonymous No.54710109]

Well i am sorry but after studying economics for 2 days its just inevitable we are going to have to eat insects, let me explain by using the speed of money equation

V = (P * Y) / S

Where V is the velocity of money, P is the average price of products and services, Y is the the total number of goods and services, S is the total supply of money

Right now our current dystopia is because the goverment has printed too much money, if the goverment didn't print a lot of money we wouldn't be wasting materials in pointless consumption or throwing circular money between central bankers and goverment bonds, however once the supply of money becomes stable or at least predictable lets say bitcoin becomes the defacto supply money of the world then to have an utopia we would need the average price of everything to go down to 0, lets write the equation again

P = (V * S)/number of goods and services

Ideally to have an utopia the price of everything needs to reach close to zero, that means the speed of money needs to go down but not too much and the supply of money needs to be stable or with a very really small inflation rate, anyways what needs to increase is Y which is the number of goods and services.

Basically things like food, transportation, gas and energy (which ideally will be replaced by fusion energy), water need to increase in numbers but that means the material consumption increases so we need to do more products and services with less material, that means its inevitable we need to become faggots and eat only plants and insects and good bye to your cheese, meat and othe forms of protein ;(

[Anonymous No.54710937]

>>54709740

DEX

[Anonymous No.54710989]

>>54662924
there will soon be a third option: lightning onion routed messages. unlike tor and i2p we hope it will be dos resistant because payment for routing is fundamentally built into the protocol.

but there are no guarantees.

[Anonymous No.54711040]

>>54710109
NPC detected

[Anonymous No.54711152]

>>54710989
Is this related to lightning network?
Send link to educate myself and decide if this is another scam or not.

[Anonymous No.54711212]

>>54662023
Kill surveillance coiners. Behead surveillance coiners. Roundhouse kick a surveillance coiners into the concrete. Slam dunk a surveillance coiner baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy surveillance coiners. Defecate in a surveillance coiner's food. Launch surveillance coiners into the sun. Stir fry surveillance coiners in a wok. Toss surveillance coiners into active volcanoes. Urinate into a surveillance coiner's gas tank. Judo throw surveillance coiners into a wood chipper. Twist surveillance coiner's heads off. Report surveillance coiners to the IRS. Karate chop surveillance coiners in half. Curb stomp pregnant surveillance coiners. Trap surveillance coiners in quicksand. Crush surveillance coiners in the trash compactor. Liquefy surveillance coiners in a vat of acid. Eat surveillance coiners. Dissect surveillance coiners. Exterminate surveillance coiners in the gas chamber. Stomp surveillance coiner skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate surveillance coiners in the oven. Lobotomize surveillance coiners. Mandatory abortions for surveillance coiners. Grind surveillance coiners fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown surveillance coiners in fried chicken grease. Vaporize surveillance coiners with a ray gun. Kick old surveillance coiners down the stairs. Feed surveillance coiners to alligators. Slice surveillance coiners with a katana.
Heil Monerochan!

[Anonymous No.54711375]

>>54678986
Sadly, people don't value privacy and that is why monero isn't getting the spotlight it deserves
regardless i use it all the time, it's one of the few i trust. and also use the sylo messaging app for chats coz it's end to end encrypted, and wouldn't leak my ass

[Anonymous No.54711509]

>>54711375
You just had to say it, didnt you?
Xmpp, matrix, signal, telegram are also end to end encrypted

[Anonymous No.54711727]

>>54711509
>Xmpp
Thanks pajeet for shilling this

[Anonymous No.54711751]

>>54709202
Kek, I've always known it would come to that

[Anonymous No.54711871]

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[Anonymous No.54711965]

>>54711509
I had to coz its integration with blockchain tech set it apart from other messaging apps.