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53480675 No.53480675 [Reply] [Original]

Are video games the ultimate proof that capitalism doesn't work? It's like they're refusing to make quality games now.

>> No.53480692

>>53480675
Games are the same it's the faggots that play the that have changed

>> No.53480706

>>53480675
The market only wants to pay for 6 new call of duty's per year. A new elder scrolls per decade, and a new gta every 4 score and 7 years.

Nobody is spending money on anything else, so the studios stop taking risks. Hollywood has the same problem, so it's non-stop avengers.

>> No.53480711

>>53480675
theyre the ultimate proof that attempts at equity ruin every passionate, enthusiast hobby. if anything, modern games show that a 'capitalist' market is easily coerced into soft tranny communism with a few decades of microplastics, shaming and psyops. their quality is representative of the idealized mindset of the stink ditch tribe: vapid, unrealistic and lacking a real drive to create true art.
>sneed

>> No.53480734

>>53480675
Games are uniquely difficult for the people on the left to set out on their own and start their own studios, because a good game requires completely different skillsets like programming, art, music, 3D modelling, etc.

>> No.53480738

>>53480675
yes they're all catered to the lowest common denominator now. all games just have a compass with a big green "go here" objective on it. so you no longer have to think about where to go or what to do for a quest.

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>>53480734
>there will never be a Custer's Revenge 2...
Why live, bros?

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>>53480738
Have you tried dark n darker? Or even elden ring for that matter. Doesn’t hold your hand and expects you to get fucked. There are based games out there among the candypoop. Clearly the streaming effect that hit music and video has enveloped games too. Too many free games means lower quality across the board. Plus it’s more about marketing to breach the noise and making a familiar, acceptable game loop rather than novel mechanics.

>> No.53480800

>>53480675
You underestimate the amount of effort it takes to make a game.

Video games aren't profitable, they require thousands of hours from very large groups of people and these people are overworked and underpaid to get games out incredibly quickly.

People don't want to do that anymore because it was criminal. If you want good games we need a better system that focuses the efforts of a large group of intelligent individuals without taking advantage of them.

I made some shitty games and published them because some people are heck bored waiting for their next favourite game to come out. But now that I've had practice my next one should be better. I know quite clearly where I stand for my games but I'll never be able to make something quality enough for you and thats no skin off my cheek.

Lower your standards or get more patient. Up to you.

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>>53480675 >>53480692 >>53480706 >>53480711 >>53480734 >>53480738 >>53480747 >>53480762 >>53480800

> About Capitalism
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> "It's NOT Capitalism!"
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> The Total Annihilation of Stefan Molyneux
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> Comment to "The Total Annihilation of Stefan Molyneux"
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> The Decapitation of a Two Headed Beast
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>> No.53480829

>>53480800
Nigga that's why Africa exists. We need to teach these Africans how to fucking do it. They'll be happy to sleep under their desk and work 20 hour days like the Japanese legends of the past.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OCvHPsShDJ4

>> No.53480834

>>53480805
National socialism will spark a renaissance in VIDYA GAMIN'? Who knew?
>WE MUST SECURE THE EXISTENCE OF OUR CS:GO GUN MODS

>> No.53480858

>>53480675
They are proof that corporations can't make art. Advances in game engine technology have enabled thousands of passionate small time devs to make their dream games, and many of those are very good. Just play indies instead of the big budget turds the "industry" pushes out.

>> No.53480873

>>53480800
Bruh a handful of nerds can pump out a good game every couple years. The caveat is it's going to be really simplistic but by no means bad. AAA titles are just polished turds but for fancy graphics alone people with terminally shit taste are drawn to them like moths to a flame. It says a lot when the best thing Blizzard made in the last decade was a remaster of fucking Diablo 2.

>> No.53480881

>>53480829
Again you still underestimate.

We are talking a book. thousands of paintings often 3D. An album. A complex mathematical design. All wrapped up into something perfectly designed to communicate to you exactly what you need to know on a fun and exciting way.

There is a reason people go into university for all of these subjects. They require complex and out of the box thinking on topics like themes and metaphor's. Euclidean geometry is like what even the fuck and it's in several video games.

Video games are amazing and we should be throwing money at devs the same way we do actors or book writers.

I know the whole starving artist schtick but this is different. We need a big team for 1 product and that requires some amount of organisation.

It's not the same as building a factory and getting people to sew some cloth.

>> No.53480914

>>53480873
I completely agree with this. I just assumed OP was an elitist prick and didn't care for indie games.

>> No.53480944

>>53480675
Has nothing to do with troons and niggers but you could certainly make an argument that those demographics are retarded.
You also have the choice to not play shit games.
Micro transactions are just the next logical step for losers who get addicted to non stop dopamine hits. It's actually a brilliant way to prey on weak people.
You can just get a real hobby if you don't like it. Too many gaming addicted retards want to complain about how bad games are yet still pump money into them.
>28G0D4

>> No.53481428

>>53480675
capitalism works in smart population look at cyberpunk. It sold 14million in less than month and also it won "love" award because some random company that has to do nothing with game made anime about it. As a humanity we need smarter people.

>> No.53481438

>>53480675
They push out shit products because normies will eat the borgslop regardless of what they shit out. the same thing is happening to anime and the dramatic drop in Anime quality in that market. People have shit tastes also because capitalism makes people alienated beta onions cucks.

>> No.53481467

>>53481438
>dramatic drop in Anime quality
I miss the days of 5 straight episodes of characters standing across from each other, still frame, with voice over inner monolog detailing their every insecurity and assessment of the situation, culminating in a 25 second epic battle depicted as flashing on screen.

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>>53481467
Not that you retard, but, the Addition of CGI.
Of course leave it to 4chan retards to be the most dishonest faggots on the entire planet. Furthermore, only a person with absolute shit taste in anime would think that is anything but, like, 3 shonen anime. You suck.

>> No.53481546

>>53481438
It's just a cultural problem. This would all end if people developed some taste. The issue is you're indoctrinated from childhood into liking whatever some kiked megacorp shits out. Like the recent star wars movies are among the highest grossing but are certainly the worst made all because brainwashed faggots see DISNEY, STAR WARS and pay money because "I just gotta see the new one cuz im such a fan of DISNEY and STAR WARS no way im gonna miss out dude" and then a gorillion (((journalists))) print articles and astroturfed tweets and jewtube videos about how that shit didn't stink and 10 reasons you actually like it. And it fucking works.

>> No.53481554

>>53481497
>you and i are now enemies because of japanese cartoons

>> No.53481635
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>>53481546
That's the thing though: Men make their own history but they do not make it as they please. They do not make it under a set of self selected circumstances. Men are the agents of history but that history is pre-determined for them. The culture is always influenced by the socio-politcal and economic foundations of society. If you have an economy that hyper focuses on the generation of profits then you will get a society that hyper focuses on the generation of profits either for or as corperations. Look at the tech sector and their massive surveillance of every single citizen on the planet earth. All so discord can know what kind of dragon dildos the average troon whore likes to shove up their own ass. Even when we are not working we are producing profits. Our society has told people that "production and consumption above all else is the definition of your hollow lives." Culture, philosophy, uh.....basic reasoning and logic....these things take time and get in the way of the generator; the generation of profits.

>> No.53481690

>>53481635
>Men make their own history but they do not make it as they please.
>Proceeds to get hype emotional about mindless electronic diversions and children's TV programming
Everyone here but me is a millimeter away from actual self awareness. Me, there's no hope for me, because I'm just chat ai designed to keep you occupied down here instead of doing anything productive.

>> No.53481766

>>53481690
wonderful

>> No.53481783

>>53481690
Productive in what sense? Towards what goal? At the very least I'd like to pick my poison. The jews or whatever you want to call them won't even let me choose how I waste my life. They hate me and want me to look at trannies and fat black women and they want me to say "I love trannies and fat niggers - they're my gods! Jews are based and better than me!" That's the evil of this system. It's not enough for them to trade a bit of toil and suffering in exchange for each other's vices. They have to make it a one way deal where they denigrate me while they get to laugh and make fun of me. This is their inherent character and this is why they were hated throughout history and why they have to build and maintain a global prison system that trains you like a dog to not say a word about them.

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>>53480675

>People are willing to buy shitty games.
>Companies continue to make shitty games.
>The same people complaining about shitty games continue to buy those shitty games.

No, the market is functioning exactly how it's supposed to function. Also, the United States isn't Capitalist. It doesn't even meet the basic definition of Capitalism.

>> No.53481803

>>53480805

Post the original German text of Hitler making that statement, or go fuck yourself.

>> No.53481810

>>53481690
This is a massive strawman because using something that is a cunsomer product as an example of a larger systemic issue is not "Getting hype" over it. Zoomer.

>> No.53481820

>>53481796
Yes it is. Austrians just like to change the definition of words from how they have historically been used because they dislike the reality of the situation.

>> No.53481829

>>53481783
You need to change the channel, bro. Stop giving a fuck about any of this stuff.
Lift, read the classics every day, and start a business.

BTW, business is market first. Find a problem that a group of people you actually care about needs solved; THEN, create the product or service that helps in a novel way for that PARTICULAR market segment.

>> No.53481832

>>53481820

Capitalism isn't an Austrian term, it was created by Marx retard. Also, the USA doesn't have private property. I'm not even an Austrian, but nice try trying to box people into your retarded worldview.

>> No.53481837

>>53480747
So you enjoy being a rapist?

>> No.53481844

>>53481810
You missed an earlier party on our exchange. It's OK. Even smart guys like you miss details occasionally.

You still win the internet for vanquishing me. Was the dopamine hit awesome? Mine was just meh...

>> No.53481849

>>53481554
No we're enemies because you're a faggot.

>> No.53481856

>>53481837
It's in our dna.
>Everywhere I go I must

>> No.53481859

>>53481690
>I'm just chat ai designed to keep you occupied down here instead of doing anything productive.
It's called a cell phone you can post while being outside.

>> No.53481864

>3 (you)s from one late entrant
I'm going to celebrate with a fish sandwich

>> No.53481865

>>53481829
>You need to change the channel, bro. Stop giving a fuck about any of this stuff.
You should get raped by a pack of niggers while Jews record it for lulz.

>> No.53481874

>>53480675
It's proof that jews ruin everything
Thanks to kikebook games like farmville, companies figured out that you can make a fuckton of money by making bad games that promise to be more fun if you just spend $7.99 on a lootbox that might have cool stuff inside, or incomplete games that promise to be complete in 6 years aslong as you keep buying the new update packs and season passes. The industry actively punishes you for liking video games now, and this behavior has spread to other parts of the economy: BMW's heated seat season pass for example.
Because retards keep buying, game development has gone from a question of "how do i make good game?" To "how do i make good paypigs?"

>> No.53481875

>>53481820
Jesus, that's a ton of assumptions.

>> No.53481880

>>53481865
>look at this d00d

>> No.53481881

>>53481844
not trying to "le totally wreck you" I am just trying to give my understanding of things today that makes sense to me. And yeah, I can't fucking ever sit down and read an entire thread so, sorry, anon?

>> No.53481889

>>53481856
It isn't, you're a rapist because you can't get none.
Also, ps, fat people are ugly and gross.
>>53481864
>>3 (you)s from one late entrant
You do realize you're on the internet with other people?
I'm eating steak and smoking cigars, enjoy your fish, fucking idiot.

>> No.53481894

>>53481875
No, it deff is not. Most "Free market" austrian faggots like to define capitalism as le heckin free market areno" with out even realizing that that would mean right now right here we actually live under a free market because most people *agree* that this is a free market. That is why idealistic definitions of systemic problems suck and arevery weak for explaining advanced economic systmes like modern capitalism which is much better suited to the marxian understanding of the term.

>> No.53481897

>>53481881
You didn't even check my dubs. Disgraceful.

>> No.53481898

>>53481874
Blah blah blah muh jews.
what about the irish though?

>> No.53481899
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>>53481880
I legitimately believe white people should be raped and murder for the lulz.

>> No.53481904

>>53481889
>eating steak and smoking cigars
Are you a fucking looney tunes character?

>> No.53481905

>>53481894
Capitalism doesn't exist.
>>53481897
You're gay, disgraceful.

>> No.53481908

>>53481897
I have dishonored myself and my family and will now commit ritual supouku.

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>>53481904
>Are you a fucking looney tunes character?
I eat shrimp too, smoke some kush right now, maybe later I'll drink some bourbon and smoke a stoogie.
Are you a child? Children tend to talk about cartoons.

>> No.53481916

Was that Rod Williams?

>> No.53481928

>>53481898
>tu quoque

>> No.53481931

>>53481915
Have you considered breaking the Prozac in half?

>> No.53481941

>>53480675
i have like 4,000 hours on an ascii game from the 90s and yes i do dev work on my own game

>> No.53481949

>>53481941
im retired

>> No.53481951

>>53480675
We'd hardly have a game market at all without capitalism. Capitalism lead to most of those old games you love too.

>> No.53481959

>>53481796
>but th-that wasnt real capitalism

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>>53480675
>capitalism failed because degenerates who hate capitalism are putting niggers in videogames
Maybe because we failed to fight them, what do you want? Nationalize the gaming industry so you get mandatory faggotry directly from the state?

>> No.53481973

It is proven that the average attention span of a zoomer is lower than that of a goldfish, therefore it makes perfect sense why this is happening. Why would big studios release quality games when they can just release a moba/battle roayale/etc. type of game and make money off of loot boxes, dlc, skins and other low-effort content? It's not like zoomers are taking any of these games seriously either. They just need the dopamine so that their brains stay fried. If there is anyone to blame for this phenomenon, it's the consumer. Those with a functional brain will ignore any video game released post-2015 and instead torrent old games. There are hundreds if not thousands of quality games from the past that you haven't played. Nobody is forcing you to play modern games, just your zoomer brain. I personally feel pity and disgust for anyone playing modern games.

On another note, if you are not in school/college and are still playing video games for more than an hour each day, there is something wrong with you and you should consider buying some rope.

>> No.53481998

>>53481859
That may actually be worse since you still taint your experience with the internet even when you're outside.

>> No.53482003
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Anyone that witnessed GG knows the truth, and it's not just videogames.
The shit popular culture based on rebels and nihilism we used to love so much is responsible for breeding these kind of people, it started from the sexual liberation, now we're breeding turbofaggots circlejetking in the industries.

The truth is grandpa was right, too much freedom ruined our souls.

>> No.53482011

>>53480675
I actually think the reason why games are so bad these days is because I'm the era of SNES you had these simple parameters to work with. It's like how blues guitar can sound really really good despite it's simplicity but complicated metal guitar can be uninspired and lame. These days everyone is expected to use cutting edge graphics. This is why Dark Souls kicks so much ass. It looks great but the weightiness and impactfulness of the sword swings is satisfying, plus there's lots of lore and mystery. In comparison a lot of other modern games feel blunted somehow.

>> No.53482013

>>53481829
>Lift, read the classics every day
That is what we were talking about. Receding from the mainstream or whatever is new and just doing what's still enjoyable. If kikes could find a way to force you not to lift or read old literature or listen to old music or engage with anything other than what existed before they would, and they are actively scheming on ways to do it.
>start a business
> Find a problem that a group of people you actually care about needs solved
I've been thinking a lot about this. I know talking about wanting my video game characters to be sexy and not niggers makes me sound like a NEET but I have a skill set. There's so much red tape around what you can do and capital is locked behind bankers and their system and their laws. Imagine how much good could be done if you could just make and distribute goods as long as you have the capacity to make them. No copywrite/patent bullshit. That's kind of why the chinks, for all their faults, are based. They don't care about those laws and and shit out products at their true value. This is a society where YOU get punished for defending yourself if some lowlife tries to harm you. Only the state is allowed to dispense justice. Only bankers decide what is money. I know what the solution to this is but I wonder if it will all be worth it?

>> No.53482021

>>53482003
>The truth is grandpa was right, too much freedom ruined our souls.
You're free to find something better to do with your time than media consumption

>> No.53482025

>>53481899
Hello, Chaim

>> No.53482035

>>53480675
it's the same as all western "capitalist" societies. they are not meritocracies. this means that nepotism (or affirmative action in this case) corrupts the system and puts dumb people in charge. these dumb people then shit on the progress made by people before them. notable examples in the real world: any third world shithole. "Bbut they are brown!" yeah they are brown but the same happens in highly corrupt or nepotistic white countries like russia,norway, and iceland

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>>53482013
You gonna make it bro. Don't let them hamstring you with obsessive negative thoughts and live in the world you create, everyday.

>> No.53482056

>>53482021
>reading skill
>0

>> No.53482096

>>53482038
I want to make it. I can still see my dreams. I can still imagine freedom. I'm not totally broken yet. But I don't want to fall into the trap where my success is subverted into helping expand their system in exchange for my own enrichment. That's the boomer "fuck you, I got mine" mentality that brought us here. What can anyone do to bring back shit that's actually cool? What can anyone do to encourage politeness and respect for their fellow man? My thoughts aren't new or unique. People smarter than me that lived 1000s of years before saw all these same problems and knew what needed to be done and told anyone who would listen and yet the world is still the way it is today. Life is a constant struggle and there will always be people who want to give in to greed and cruelty and malice who want to make shit hard for everyone else just for the lulz.

>> No.53482118

>>53482003
More like NOT ENOUGH GATEKEEPING. Not even the smidgiest smudgest tiniest amount of gatekeeping was done to keep these retards away.

>> No.53482122

>>53481905
>math doesn't exist

>> No.53482128

>>53481928
>>53481928
Not even close to the correct fallacy.

>> No.53482137

>>53482118
Gatekeeping what? A culture that lets you do everything you want except being a tranny, a commie and a faggot?

>> No.53482146

>>53482122
>>math doesn't exist
Math_s_

>> No.53482153

they also gatekeep for themselves, why do you think anything resembling slightly right-wing thought is demonized every fucking where?

>> No.53482160

>>53482146
>things don't exist if they are abstract concepts

>> No.53482163

>>53482153
Because you want to literally kill and mame people in the name of your psuedo-science?

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>>53482056
-5 actually
As I see it, with my 75 iq. Freedom didn't ruin your soul; your soul was ruined voluntarily. Surrendered if you will. I think Aristotle said it best in the NiggerMagician Ethics.
>just don be doin that shit, ya heard!?!

Or to meme it
>VICTORY HAS DEFEATED YOU

>> No.53482184

>>53482163
And this goes back to SJW non-stop strawmanning mentality, if you love your nation, love your people and don't believe in any silly perfect world where everyone holds their hands in a post-scarcity society, you're probably a nazi, and a nazi is a mass murderer.

Perfectly absorbed in the collective mind.

>> No.53482199

>>53482167
You had the freedom to ruin your soul, you've been ruined by too much freedom

>> No.53482219

Ok niggroes. I gotta run.

Try this. Close your eyes. Visualize the perfect (you). Nothing else but that. No trannies, or they took mah cartoons and games, or white bmwf in burger commercial... Just the perfect you. What do you look like? What do you do to help the people you care about? How do you shape society from the inside -> out.

Now, plan 3 action steps per day, everyday (start small) to turn the play-doh that you are now into that awesome Roman statute of a man. Pussy and money and friends and followers will gravitate to you, not because of the media you consume or the shit tokens you hold, but because of who you are and what you do.

Golden rule. You can't hurt anyone willfully. Even your enemies. Just be a positive force for yourself and the people you attract.

<3

>> No.53482224

>>53482184
>muh SJW's

2016 called it wants its ideology back.
News flash, m8, communsits are not utopians either. Modern communists do not believe in some magical perfect world, but, we also find it rather ideological and idealistic to believe that a system where profits superced human need and desire at the most fundemental levels is the best system we can possibly do; We undertand that is beyond stupid. No one cares if you "love uh nation" but that is about as relevant as loving any other arbitrary metric you have that you did nothing to gain and have no reason to love. What is so great about this country besides free speech anyways? That is not saying we shouldn't correct hat but in nearly ever metric the US finishes on the same level as a lot of 3rd world countries.

You simply believe what you are told with zero actual investigation into what you are told about us and that is how you come to the conclusions you do and why you are willing to go to denying the holocaust in order to

>> No.53482225

>>53481959

Capitalism has never existed retard.

>> No.53482228

>>53482219
...defend caitalism* Because the alternative is an alternative economic system. You need a boogie man like the jews in order to justify the systemic nature of capitalism which leads to nominal human suffering and alienation in many different ways.

>> No.53482248

>>53482228
Don't (you) me or my son ever again

>> No.53482258

>>53482224
News flash faggot, i don't care if you don't declare yourself an utopian, just the like 99% of pedantic comrades out there pretending their socialism is scientific just because you keep throwing yourself off a bridge hoping that one day you will fly by just changing the way you kill yourself.

0 investigations my hairy balls, wait another 150 years maybe those contraddictions will pop up again only to be suppressed again by circumstances, and circumstances says you can't calculate.

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>>53480675
>Are video games the ultimate proof that capitalism doesn't work? It's like they're refusing to make quality games now.
It is the ultimate proof that capitalism works. Big corporations (corporations are a socialist thing) don't make games that gamer want anymore. So small indie devs i.e the individual level = private and thus not capitalistic in nature, are making games that gamers want.
Now back to >>>/pol/.

>> No.53482273

>>53482260
>not capitalistic in nature
*not socalistic in nature

>> No.53482291

non-gamer here but who gamed when i was younger. can someone explain what "games are shit nowadays" mean exactly? there seems to be a lot of very nice games out there so what's the problem exactly?

>> No.53482301

>>53482260
>Big corporations (corporations are a socialist thing) don't make games that gamer want anymore
how? what is a game that "gamer wants"?

>> No.53482303 [DELETED] 

>>53482228
>you need a boogie man like the jews
It's literally the jews. Capitalism, socialism, feudalism, etc. isn't the point. As long as there are jews jewing things are always going to be this way.
>justify the systemic nature of capitalism which leads to nominal human suffering and alienation
do you understand the words you are writing?

>> No.53482308

>>53482291
>there seems to be a lot of very nice games out there so what's the problem exactly?
op is just a /pol/tard who made a troll thread nothing more. There is no problem because captialism will always provide services and goods if there is a demand unlike socialism.

>> No.53482313

the state of videogames has little to do with capitalism and everything to do with excessive consumption fueled by crowd hysteria and malicious advertisement practices
this is more of a legal problem than a money problem as the incentive is still there even if you remove money from the equation

>> No.53482316

>>53482291
People love to hate and some game companies make it very easy to hate them. Your assessment is right but cringy internet dwellers like to focus on the negatives in the world.

>> No.53482323

>>53482224
And also, to be honest, i bet my understand marx better than the majority of you retarded "modern communists" whining about profit when profit is completely natural.

>> No.53482329

>>53482128
>fallacy fallacy

>> No.53482333

*i bet my ass i understand...

>> No.53482337

>>53482301
>what is a game that "gamer wants"
You can't define this because every single "gamer" has a different taste. I just wanted to show that op is full of shit with my example. We could do it another way.W Let's say producer a makes bread but changes the formula so that people don't like the bread anymore for some subjective reasons. Capitalism will ensure that another producer will come by (because he sees a unfulfilled demand and thus a way to make money) who will produce the desired bread.

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>>53482225
>No TRUE capitalism has ever existed...

>> No.53482345

>>53482316
while there is plenty of good games, more even than in the past, the mainstream games are all shit with barely any content and are made playable entirely by the friends you play them with

>> No.53482347

>>53480881
They managed to make RDR2 a few years back and it was the greatest game ever made so its not like games HAVE to be shit still.

>> No.53482353

>>53482258
Highschool history/Econ 101 is not an independent investigation, lol. Quite the opposite, actually. Some of the best most profitable companies are cooperatives and some of the best times in united states history were during times of high unionization. This massive cope

>> No.53482357

>>53482260
Corporates make games that erode our souls, but sure man, money is the most important aspect of life and thus capitalism works.

Think about that logic for a second

>> No.53482359

>>53482260
>Private companies that are owned by a smll group of chareholders and operated for profit are socialism

bwahahaha god you people live in the mot pathetic bubble, I swear.

>> No.53482361

>>53480675
Socialism and Capitalism: Two sides of the same shekel

>> No.53482370

>>53482303
>Its literally the jews

No it isn't because ven if you hypothetical got rid of the jews as long as the systems of pwoer that allowed them to take advantage of the system in the first place exist some other group or ideology will rise to fill the void. You cannot kill ideals.

You clearly understand nothing and have a tenuous grasp of the English language.

>> No.53482378

>>53482323
Yeah going to have to highly doubt that.
Just from the way you use "profit" you clearly are coming from the bias of Neo classical, or, Austrian economics. Pure idealism.

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>>53481546
Edward Bernays
Freud
Jewish ran focus groups

>> No.53482397

I play sonic 2 every single day and have never tried another game.

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>>53482353
>Highschool history/Econ 101 is not an independent investigation, lol.
Nice owning my reddit friend, YIKES!
>the existence of some profitable cooperatives in some sectors in the market means capitalism is forever btfo, the existence of unions and people getting more shit is good and doesn't push companies away or force them to hire less
>but for a moment it was the best place to live!

>> No.53482406

>>53482357
>>>/pol/
>>53482359
They are not "private" please learn the defition of words before you come by and tell me your "opinion".
"Private english word private comes from Latin privus (One's own, private, peculiar, particular.)
used to describe a company with shares that are not traded on a stock market."
A corporation that is traded openly on the stock is always socialist because everyone in the state = socalism, can own a part of the company.

>> No.53482413

>>53482378
>from the bias
pure projection

>> No.53482414

>>53482337
Nope a jewish banker and legal system seized his capital and put him behind bars because his bread is a danger to our society. This is the problem with this debate about capitalism and communism. Neither of these things are relevant to the real world. This terminology was coined to describe something that has long since passed.

>> No.53482418

>>53482414
You are talking about socalism now back to >>>/pol/.

>> No.53482425

>>53482370
>if you hypothetical got rid of the jews as long as the systems of pwoer that allowed them to take advantage of the system in the first place exist some other group or ideology will rise to fill the void.
I never argued to the contrary. I'm saying that group is currently the jews.

>> No.53482436

>>53482413
Wow very nice non sequtuer.
Rather than an actual appeal to hypocracy (Which i have no done. i am trying to be unbiased which is why I have come to the conclusion I have) this is just a personal attack with no attempt to actually defend your ideology. I am more than willing to have a conversation about our ideologies, but, you guys never seem to want to.

>> No.53482437

>>53482402
Yes the soviet union was one massive cooperative. It really was that simple. That is very smart and not smooth brained what so ever.

>> No.53482445

>>53480675
No because "capitalism" is not a thing. Its a boogeyman invented by socialists.

>> No.53482455

>>53482418
I don't care if it's "socialism". When people who were writing in the 19th century were talking about capitalism they were describing a system that they were observing and defined their hypothetical planned economies in opposition to that. There's no way I can be talking about what we're dealing with today and calling it capitalism unless the definition of that word has just changed.

>> No.53482463

>>53482437
The Soviet Union was one massive gulag. And it was a complete failure too. The fact that Japan, decades before it, could industrialize without a famine or natural resources show the USSR was a retarded project. The fact Japan could surpass the Soviet Union, even though it was hit by two nuclear weapons, shows Marxism-Leninism is a failed ideology.

>> No.53482475

>>53482455
I am not talking with a socialist, go and learn the definition of basic words, now go back >>>/pol/.

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>>53482436
>non sequtuer
You don't even know what it is.
>this is just a personal attack with no attempt to actually defend your ideology
>you believe in biased economic analysis, this is not a personal attack btw, now you must defend yourself even if i didn't specified how exactly your ideas are biased
ok?

>> No.53482509

>>53482437
>muh soviet union
out of nowhere?

>> No.53482535

>>53482353
>Some of the best most profitable companies are cooperatives
Marx considered profit the rate of exploitation. It doesn't make any sense for a socialist to praise co-operatives that make profits.
>>53482228
What nominal human suffering are you talking about?

>> No.53482540

>>53482488
yes i do. blinding screaming out fallacies that you have little understanding of has nothing to do with the conversation at hand and you still cont to avoid dialogue with me.

>> No.53482548

>>53482535
Marx understood historical transformation of modes of production and out lined the difference between higher and lower stages of communism.

>what human suffering
Have you been outside recently?

>> No.53482555

>>53482475
You are a coward that is why you refuse to actually converse with me and probably because you have little understanding about politics, the economy or history as well.

>> No.53482565

>>53482455
Yes we can because the system today still operates upon the basis of those with nothing to sell but their labor power being under the thumb o those with capital. It's still as prevalent today as it was back then and still foundational to capitalism as an economic system.

>> No.53482574

>>53482548
You don't know what you're talking about. You're not addressing my point. Again, the rate of surplus value is the rate of profit i.g. the rate of exploitation. Profitable co-operatives aren't supportive argument for socialism - it just means they're mode production is completely compatible with how much companies operate. You've obviously have never read Marx because you think he supported co-operatives that operated on a for profit basis.
>Have you been outside recently?
So you can't give concrete examples besides a pathetic emotional argument?

>> No.53482584

>>53482540
You're free to respond to my post instead of crying like a faggot about me "trying to avoid the conversation" and projecting your pseudo-intellectual behavior on me.

Otherwise, if you really want a personal attack, you can go back to your sisters and planning the next 5 years dilation.

>> No.53482602

>>53482565
>Yes we can because the system today still operates upon the basis of those with nothing to sell but their labor power being under the thumb o those with capital.
Hired labor is as old as the Roman Empire. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. More so, business owners are workers, work on average much longer than wage workers, and workers have the ability to obtain capital. People work, as hired labor, largely due to time and investment constrains. Most people don't want to save the capital to start a business, or accept the responsibilities of owning one.
What your complaining about is a lack of ability. The differences we see in society today is largely due to genetics and geography. And its been that way since the beginning of human society.

>> No.53482625

>YAAAAARG LET'S SPEND THE DAY ARGUING ABOUT TWO DEAD MULTIPLE CENTURIES OLD POLITICAL- ECONOMIC THEORIES ON 4FUCKINGCHQN INSTEAD OF PERSONALLY GETTING SOME SHIT DONE!!!!

>> No.53482695

>>53482565
>capitalists do nothing to be capitalists
"capitalism is just accounting" Lenin said before ending up with another economic crisis, this this time forcing him to adopt the NEP

>> No.53482751

>>53482695
And NEP proceeded to cause another economic crisis because its price controls de-incentivized wheat production.

>> No.53482777

>>53480675
Honestly I just hate how local multiplayer and split screen games have ceased to exist. Why are there no fucking party games anymore? Take me back to the days of Fusion Frenzy

>> No.53482800

>>53482574
Yes they are in low phases of communism. Everyone more or less agrees with the end goal of a classless society but the mean time inbetween is what is mot debated about in socialist circles. Cope and seethe and also dial8. The fall rate of profit is not "the rate of exploitation" It is the inability for companies to produce profitable returns in the agregit over a long period of time and yes it is falling mostly due to A: technological advancement and B: The inability for employees to beat their working class into submission in the modern era, lol. but the relation it actually has to exploitation is marginal. The actual rate of exploitation would be. Maybe you are confusing this with the average rate of profit.

>> No.53482806

>>53482574
>give me concreet examples: Inequalities are the highest they have ever been. the average worker works more hours for less money than ever before in history. We are basically ruled and controlled by an oligarchy. I mean it's so obvious that If eel like you are being disingenuous

>> No.53482809

>>53480734
It requires creativity, which the left lacks. Same reason they can't meme. Same reason why they just "hijack" a successful franchise, like star wars, and insert their own ideology, instead of innovating and creating new franchises.

>> No.53482814

>>53482584
What point did you make?

>> No.53482826

>>53482602
"hired labor" is not what I mean by "workers having nothing to sell but their labor power" Yes in many societies there have been wage laborers but only when capitalism became the over arching and dominate mode of production to out compete all other modes of production did we find this relationship becoming the normalized mode of production. In any case early mercantilism is still considered a form of capitalism by most modern economists. Seriously. It's funny to watch people who actually have no idea what they are talking about aping the opposition by saying some one who has studied economics for years doesn't know what they are talking about lol.

>> No.53482831

>>53482625
I'm at the gym right now what are you doing?

>> No.53482835

>>53482809
>The left lacks creativity

>Posts the 1billions pepe on 4chan for the 18th consecutive year in a row.

>> No.53482863

>>53482831
Taking a break from building stuff to check my (you)s and disrupt a fake argument about communism/ capitalism because I'm an attention addicted faggot.

>> No.53482929

>>53481973
>Post 2015
It's actually post 2004-2005 with a few exceptions
t. 38 yo Nes/psx nostalfag

>> No.53482992

>>53482863
How is it a "fake" argument? lol. What is fake about it. Seems real to me. Do you mean that you don't believe either position holds any real validity?

>> No.53483038

>>53482992
I don't believe either of you have any investment in your positions, and that the winner will be irrelevant, and the entire contest regardless of outcome does nothing to improve you, or the other guy's, or anyone in general's lives.

Just a couple of dudes stroking their e-dicks for everyone to watch. 404. Do it again in the next thread. Pointless.

>> No.53483084

>>53483038
You don't think that having a horizon line to walk towards politically is a worth while goal? It sounds more like you are just a lazy faggot who wants to take the easy way out rather than actually have a coherent historical and socio-political/economic narrative going forward. Very cowardly.

>Anonymous imageboard
>You're just jerking off!

Yawn.

>> No.53483120

>>53480675
They make games that you dont want to pirate.
Since zoomers are dumb faggots that were brought up on subscription services they are used to getting gouged and paying in place of millenials that grew up torrenting everything.

The solution was simple
Make games that millenials wont even pirate while directing the youth which are always sheep into more exploitable markets ie the billions of non whites that exist globally

>> No.53483141

>>53482826
You clearly don't have any idea what you're talking about because you think hired labor is kind of punishment. Are really that afraid of having adult responsibilities and not being a NEET?

>> No.53483154

>>53483084
>Very cowardly
You sir, have insulted my integrity! I challenge you to a debate on 4chan at dawn. Loser has to wear a sign that says "I lost an internet argument" all day.

>> No.53483180

>>53482800
>Yes they are in low phases of communism.
No, according to Marx communism doesn't have anything to do with profit. Commodities no longer exist in the first phase or second phase of communism. Therefore there can not be any profit. Please, just stop posting. You're uneducated about his ideas.
But, his entire theory is retarded anyways. There can not be a "classless society." Society requires classes to function - otherwise there would be no job specialization to carry out life sustaining activities for its members. The whole concept of a "stateless society" is utopian since a society must operate as a state to to ensure its survival. All societies are built upon a social contract that requires some state-like entity to enforce. Communism doesn't eliminate the state because a functioning society needs an economy, and an economy can not exist without form of state to recognize property ownership or exchange.

>> No.53483210

>>53482806
>Inequalities are the highest they have ever been.
There isn't true. The poor today are not as poor as they were even 100, or 200 years ago. Inequality is not a unique phenomena either. It has always persisted due to geography and genetics. Its due to resource scarcity and differences genetic endowments which limit one's social mobility.
>We are basically ruled and controlled by an oligarchy
What do you even mean by this? Money has always controlled societies. You sound young, naive and stupid.

>> No.53483316

>>53482826
>Yes in many societies there have been wage laborers but only when capitalism became the over arching and dominate mode of production
Lol, this not true at all. There has always been an underclass of people who sold their labor for compensation. The whole basis of society is built on the fact that there always has to be an underclass of people who must do the jobs no one else is willing to do. This is where waged labor, hired labor comes from. Not everyone has the skills, or the ability, to get the jobs they want or desire. And society needs servants to function. Its just hired labor.Wage labor even in Ancient Rome. More so the word "capitalism" was invented by socialists, and it doesn't describe economic phenomena every well at all. Adam Smith never even used the word. If anything, "capitalism" is just the boogeyman socialists use to blame all their problems on to avoid taking responsibility for their lives. Its not the rich's fault that you're poor. Its really just your fault for getting a worthless humanities degree.

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>>53480675
video games are proof that we are in a failing society full of boys who never grow up.

/biz/ discord. join for frens: Nwm4FcmzwT

>> No.53483622

>>53483154
The point is actually to have some humility, swallow your pride, and admit to YOURSELF when you are wrong. It's part of being a man, actually.

>> No.53483635

>>53483180
This is completely false as marx talks about, in critique of the gothia program, the idea of using labor notes as a form of currency to move commodities between existing states and countries.

Even if marx's idea of a classless society is impossible at the end of the day we can still do better than this and the next phase of history is democratic workers control of production one way or the other.

>> No.53483689

>>53483635
>This is completely false as marx talks about, in critique of the goth
Wrong, in the Critique of The Gotha Programme Marx says goods are no longer exchanged. You didn't read it. According to Marx, labor vouchers would not be commodities because they do not circulate back into the economy. They're like ration cards. There is C-M-C anymore as mercantile nature of the economy is eliminated through centralized planning.
>Even if marx's idea of a classless society is impossible at the end of the day we can still do better than this
How so? People are working less, living longer, and are richer than any time in world history.
>history is democratic workers control of production one way or the other.
Democracy isn't possible. There is no possible way to represent the views of millions of people equally. In fact, democracy just leads to oligarchy because it gives demagogues a tool to bribe people with their vices. Learn about the iron law of oligarchy and stop posting.

>> No.53483724

>>53483689
Yes goods are no longer exchanged in a market economy and they aren;'t either with labor notes lmao. But just because "marx said it" doesn;'t mean it is gospel either I agree that market socialism wasn't a thing that existed in old currents of socialism but in the modern era that is what makes sense to me. You are just using this as a red herring to ignore actually engaging

with the argument.

>people are working less
False
>Living longer
Life expectancy is falling in this country kek
>richer
Wealth disparaity between the richest and poorest is higher than it has ever been in history. Even more so than the guilded ages and we lack any ability to organize into a cohesive mass based along class lines because retards like you believe any collective action at all is akin to communism.

>democracy isn't possible

Spain 1936, Mondragon, Ukraine, Korea, uh pretty much any union ever to exist. All of this is proof of concept. What actually leads to oligarchy is an economic system predicated upon profits which corrupt democratic institutions. You have the cart before the horse.

You come off as so smug but it's funny cause you are actually quite stupid.

>> No.53483760

>>53483622
I always felt as though I was missing man parts. Now I know which ones. I actually appreciate the help there.

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>>53483724
You've never read Marx or understand his thinking. You consider labor vouchers commodities when Marx was explicitly clear they weren't because they can no longer buy capital or be exchanged for commodities.If you don't agree with Marx's own theories - why are you defending them? This isn't my problem. This your problem, and the inconsistencies of your retarded philosophy. One you clearly don't understand.
>False
The empirical evidence disagrees with you.
>Life expectancy is falling in this country kek
Due to COVID, but generally speaking, life expectancy has risen since 1870 i.g. Marx's time. Its a positive slope.
https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/life-expectancy.png
>Wealth disparaity between the richest and poorest is higher than it has ever been in history
This is also wrong. Wealth inequality is largely exaggerated due to non-cash transfers not being included in many analyses of wealth inequality.
https://taxfoundation.org/wealth-inequality/
More so, less people are living in poverty than any time in world history.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-population-in-extreme-poverty-absolute?stackMode=relative
>Spain 1936, Mondragon, Ukraine, Korea,
The anarchists in Spain ran concentration camps and did forced conscription. The Ukrainian anarchists were nothing more than bandits - Mahkno was just a warlord who even had a secret police to enforce his rule. He was a thug who committed genocide against the Mennonites. I'm not sure how forced conscription, concentration camps, and having a secret police force is "democratic." Even more so, those experiments completely failed and didn't even last more than 5 years. That shows they are inheritable unstable and are not preferable alternatives to the current order.
>it's funny cause you are actually quite stupid.
Its the other way around. You're the communist - nobody takes you clowns seriously.

>> No.53483988

>>53483724
In fact, "market socialism" is not even possible according to Marx. Markets would allow wage labor, commodity accumulation, and capital ownership all of which are anti-antithetical to communism. Marxism is a science, and therefore, socialism has to be based on reality. A market socialist economy would not prevent the ills of "capitalist society", according to Marx, because they do nothing to prevent capitalists from doing wasteful overproduction. In fact, Marx slammed Bakunin for your views. In shit hole anarchist Catalonia, this became obvious because anarchist co-operatives, relying on markets, would compete with each other like capitalist firms. This led to production problems as the anarchist co-operatives would waste time making useless shit instead of making military materials for the war effort. We also saw the same problems in Yugoslavia where "market socialism" just led wage differentials. Unemployment, inequality, and corrupt bosses - all the crap you communist retards complain about now did not go away.

>> No.53484039

>Mondragon
Which is also a terrible example. It has to constantly lay off workers to say profitable no different than other firm. Its just a regular corporation where CEOS make way more money than the average line worker.

>> No.53484052

>>53481899
Ooo so edgy. You’re one badass Hispanic teen

>> No.53484053

>>53480711
This plus publicly traded companies like Activision and EA need cyclical earnings to please shareholders, it's why call of duty and madden are the same shitty game re-skinned every year

>> No.53484076

>>53480881
Lol authors don't make shit these days. Video game writers get more. Who was the last big writer? JK Rowling? Whoever wrote hunger games? That's 15+ years ago at this point

>> No.53484105

>>53480675
get VR, seriously those games still have their charm

>> No.53484129

>>53480675
i've played videogames for about 35 years now and my observation is that certain types of games are better than ever, but the big developer games are shit, whereas in the past they were quite often very good (super mario world, gunstar heroes, chrono trigger, etc.).

the games that are good today achieve it via highly refined execution of an idea (games like rocket league, factorio, etc.) or incorporate mechanics from tabletop games (games like slay the spire). if a publisher wants to make a lot of money, all they need to do is look at boardgames and lift some mechanics from there. that's where all the innovation is happening.

>> No.53484139

>>53484129
Based board game chad. Any new releases to keep an eye on?

>> No.53484183

>"Although its coops are concentrated in the Basque region, Mondragon went global in 1990, and now controls some 100 foreign subsidiaries and joint ventures – mainly in developing and post-socialist countries, with low wages or expanding markets. These firms are not worker-owned, and employees do not enjoy the same rights or privileges given coop members. Instead, they are wage laborers. Even in the Basque country and Spain, industrial and retail coops employ significant numbers of temporary workers on short-term contracts. Today, only about one-half of Mondragon’s businesses are cooperatives, and only one-third of its employees are members."
Mondragon is probably the worst example you could use because basically its non-cooperative subsidiaries is how its even able to stay profitable enough to employ people. It literally functions no different than the average corporation kek.

>> No.53484255

>>53484139
i tend to not buy newly released games, just because i want to see if people are still talking about it six months from now
i've actually been playing a lot of older games lately, stuff like mombasa and troyes, but a newer release i've gotten into is the king is dead 2nd edition

>> No.53484584

>>53482316
game isn't perfect so loser incels with no job hate it, they don't have jobs and can't afford systems or the newest games, they pirate old games and laugh at people for being le consoomer
a good example is recent assassins creed games, it has diversity boxes ticked and paid content and loot purchases (armor/weapons)
but the world is massive, tons of content to play
im 300 hours and haven't finished it but i feel like i got my moneys worth already, it was £20 or something in a steam sale
it's absolutely nothing, i paid more for games as a teenager
i think the shit lazy games are the ones like rust and minecraft, which are going backwards, shit copy and paste everywhere, graphicly backwards to atari blocks 1990s

>> No.53484630

>>53480675
Why don’t right wingers make video games and stfu

>> No.53484893

>>53480692
>Games are the same
That's the problem.
The so-called 'Gaming Industry' hasn't actually 'developed' anything new since 1999.

>> No.53485048

>>53482809
>which the left lacks
you and i know that's bullshit.

all the porn artists, devs, directors, and writers i follow are usually left leaning in their ideals. socially conservative people tend to be very few in numbers in artistic fields or entertainment. the few that i know that are sympathetic to the right tend to be edgelords or only side with them because they dont agree with the woke mob.

>> No.53485065

>>53480675
>Are video games the ultimate proof that capitalism doesn't work?
It literally is capitalism, idiot
Trillion dollar orgs like blackrock are enforcing their ESG on entities for $$$ unless they refuse their globohomo funding requirements

>> No.53485177

ME IN THE MIDDLE ON THE RIGHT

>> No.53485239

>>53485177

Because of your brainlet GPA, or because you’re a filthy moon cricket?

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>>53480675
>Are video games the ultimate proof that capitalism doesn't work?
No? Why would that be the case? People make game, you are free to buy game or to not buy game. Other people are free to do the same. I fail to grasp the big issue here.
>It's like they're refusing to make quality games now.
Okay then don't buy game, it's that simple.
Or buy cool indies (a lot of indie gems are free btw), or emulate old games, or just pirate. You aren't forced to financially support shitty companies that make shitty products, that's the wonder of capitalism. In a socialist system, you would be forced to financially support the government mandated option, whether you like it or not.

>> No.53485384

>>53480675
More proof that everything becomes corrupted over time. Communism has the exact same issue. Money and power attract the demons who seek to feed off of it. By doing so they destroy it and must move on.

>> No.53486098

No, I think the companies and people crashing the entire economy, then getting bailed out by the government as a reward for it, is better proof than this.

>> No.53486204

>>53482163
I thought you were talking about doctors giving hormones to children and cutting off their genitals for a second.

>> No.53486218

>>53482224
See you in the street!

>> No.53486261

>>53482353
>during times of high unionization
You mean when the US had an almost virtual monopoly on oil production, steel and consumer goods and everywhere but Europe was still in the bronze age? Yeah man, I'm sure if we unionize itll be the same

>> No.53486302

>>53480675
More proof that communism doesn’t work, where one clique has most of the power, prints money and gives it to those who push the correct message

>> No.53486320

>>53486098
>taxing working class 50% to bailout bourgeoise jews is capitalism
only ever happened under communism but the fuck western midwits know about it

>> No.53486385

>>53480873
The problem is those nerds can't work on that game in the evenings at the house they all live in and pay for with the money they make at their part time jobs at the mall. The economy, quality of life, and life expectancy are collapsing and along with it the free time to think, experiment, be creative. You're 100% right that in theory 4 nerds living together can build something awesome in their spare time financing themselves with the extra money they have from some equivalent of gig work, but there aren't as many of those arrangements as there used to be. Everything is riskier now.

>> No.53486414

>>53482809
I meant the people on the left in OP's pic, people among them might be individually good at art or programming but it's difficult to organize them without ESG funding and it's very uncommon for some autist like Chris Sawyer to come along and be skilled in multiple necessary disciplines (in Sawyer's case, programming and game design).

>> No.53486498

>>53486098
>government intervention is proof that the ideology based on opposing government intervention has failed. The solution to this problem is more government intervention.
Government bailouts for corporations is a maneuver quite typical of Socialist governments. China does it all the time whenever real state businesses can't pay their debts.

>> No.53486681

>>53482370
>You cannot kill ideals.
Jews aren't motivated by ideals, but in-group preference. No group getting revenge for/trying to prevent anudder shoah, no trannies/feminism/nation-wrecking.

>> No.53486878

>>53484076
>World video games sales 2022
$196.8 billion

>World book sales 2022
$142.33 billion

>> No.53487222

>>53486878
an d how many of those books are just republished classic works that no longer costs royalties, or factual textbooks.

>> No.53487401
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>> No.53489099

>>53480675
just play online games that are not gay with woke gay shit like arma, dayZ, rust, or even war thunder
but keep it in moderation

>> No.53490184

>>53481467
that's literally what anime still is. But now with CGI and 10x more awkward embarrasing lewd scenes with underage women which means you can never show any friends or theyll think youre a complete freak and will never let you around their children

>> No.53491626

>>53480881
>They require complex and out of the box thinking on topics like themes and metaphor's.

University is the last place on earth you want to go to develop these skills

The reality is all the new poplar games coming up are passion projects from a smaller team or are mods.

>> No.53491698

>>53491626
The emphasis was on the work product. Not the education.

It's just an example to help bridge the gap between opinions.

People will have still dedicated their time and energy to learning about the thing and it takes 10000 hours just like everything else.

>> No.53491951

>>53480881
> throwing money at book writers
anon I . . .

>> No.53492007

>>53481803
It seems to have originated in Serbia, not Germany. https://www.blavatnikarchive.org/story/78

>> No.53492040

>>53480675
In a capitalist system the best game devs would sell the most games, earn the most money, and then be able to make even better games. But as long as the government is able to print its own money, they can effectively buy out any industry to turn it into a propaganda machine. Every one of you that owns government currency or large cap stocks contributes to that problem.

>> No.53492077

>>53480692
Bullshit

>> No.53492088

Every single multi-player FPS game is ruined by cheaters these days.. every game that has any potential to be interesting that is.
Back in my day weapons were unforgiving, the gameplay was fast and shitters would get shat on.. today every game gets nerfed to shits because manchildren cry on reddit that they get owned because "le rifle is le op plz fix" which really doesn't matter because they are shit anyway and will abandon the game to play some new hentai shit in a couple of weeks.
Another problem is how they make half-assed games.. like the Doom revival of the Doom franchise.. in the begining everything was great, guns were powerful, movement was mint and it had that old school feel from the late 90s, then of course gamers who were born too late to appreciate such mechanics started voicing their opinion and whaddaya know they nerfed the game to shit so it now feels like some akward nerf arena shooter, then doom ultimate was on the doorsteps.. i was excited.. maybe they will fix what they messed up in the first place and release some of those classic game modes like Capture the flag, but no, instead we get this really shitty demon-slayer 2v1 gay ass mode that nobody except overpaid developers and some media outlets were excited for.

>> No.53492101

>>53492040
What a massive fucking cope. Companies are incentivized to produce garbage as fast and as quickly as possible. Muh "not real capitalism" any time capitalism is something you dislike hilarious.

>> No.53492107

>>53480805
this isn't /pol/ you retarded spamming faggot

>> No.53492116

>>53492107
Biz and pol form a symbiotic relationship, newfag.

>> No.53492122

>>53492007
Alternately, it may have come from Spengler:

"In his later writings Spengler went further and developed the thesis that Marxian socialism and capitalism were merely the two faces of the same coin, the substance of which was thinking in money."

https://www.vqronline.org/essay/spengler-and-third-reich

>> No.53492169

>>53492116
do you really want the board to end like /pol/ with the schizos spamming their home made copypastas on every thread?

>> No.53492177

>>53492169
No, i want you to stfu

>> No.53492183

>>53492177
no you shut the fuck up

>> No.53492186

>>53492169
/ pol is just getting started. But this 'commie' is just a jewish glownigger, not a 'schizo.'

>> No.53492211

>>53490184
>lewd shit
yeah what's with that? quite annoying

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>>53480675
What are you talking about?

>> No.53492331

>>53484893
Every kids cartoon is the same too. They have a target audience and it is not you.

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>>53480675

I hate gaming now.
What happened? Pic related is still exciting to me but modern le CYBER PUBKS!!!!” Isnt at all. Havent bought any new game since fallout 4. They so not interest me. Either bloated mess, trying too hard to be a movie, gay4pay online, gambling crap and just soul sucked.

Pic related was made by like 3 devs in 16 months. No tranny division with design and shit. It was fantastic, cool as shit and full of soul. Many games were back then and didnt need huge budget and bloated teams. Look at Halo 1, then halo 4 or 5 or whatever the fuck its on now.

Honestly there is enough pre-2012 content to last forever so no big deal anyway. People should start making games for these older systems and selling them lol.

>> No.53492412

>>53492169
run lecture_about_pros_and_cons_of_various_tank_configurations_with_half_baked_understanding_of_methnics.exe.jpeng

>> No.53492446

>>53492040
I wish this were true but it isn’t
Capitalism has proved to only make every field “efficient”.
Innovation and competition works in the industry, because it creates a need for new product
But in entertainment, if the “new product” is of the same category of the old product, then the competition is very thin.
Efficiency through capitalism is the ratio : (Time+Capital)/Return
It takes a lot less time, and a lot less capital, to rehash an existing game into a new product, so it will happen over and over.
In other fields, the “efficiency” ratio is compensated through the fact that if you innovate, you will crush the competition and eat part of their market share, like AMD is doing to Intel, like EVs are doing to classic vehicles, like Retina screens did to other ones, and so on..
In gaming, in fact in entertainment in general, if you innovate, worst case scenario you fuck up, best case scenario you make as much as that other studio that released goyslosh 3
Last time someone “innovated” to create a need was PlayerUnknowns battleground derived from H1Z1, creating the “battle royale” mode.
And after very soon, AAA studios joined in, put in reasonable effort, and took over.
You’re now left with studios that dish out good games because they can’t afford to drop down to nothingness (FromSoftware literally lives on their releases, if they flop they’ll eat dust), and studios that rise to greatness and start to afford being mediocre (CDPR are now well known enough that they will probably have decent sales on their next game, regardless of how bad the last one flopped), and studios that have grew big enough of an NPC fan base that they feel they’re “too big to fail” (EA, Ubisoft, Activision, etc…)
You also have the problem of franchises, which completely dampens creativity, if you want to include Elden ring into the “souls games” category, I can’t even remember when was the last original IP game made off the top of my head

>> No.53492452

>>53492446
>EV beats 'classic'
ngmi

>> No.53492486

>>53492452
In Europe electric and hybrid vehicles are steadily taking over, give it 4-5 years

>> No.53492487

>>53492446

Yeah and everything is just “re-master” of some old game these days, with VERY few new IPs. The new ones tend be bloated shitty games, and the re-masters tend to be conpletely stripped of everything that made them good. They stopped doing graphic only updates when they realised zoomers would cry and not play them without loot boxes.

Look at the resident evil 2 and 3 remasters. I was looking forward to them for fucking years before even announced. Then they arrived without the fixed camera angle…. What is the fucking point??? That was what made them what they were. They may as well have just made a new game.

Why they do it? No creativity, wanted to try scam some non-zoomers and also wanted to ensure zoomers sucked it up so they didnt put foxed camera angles

>> No.53492489

>>53492486
>Europe
ngmi

>> No.53492500

>>53480675
If the economy goes into a financial crisis, then liquidity goes down. Only THEN game developers will care about quality because consumers are more reluctant to fork out money lkke previously.

The coming years may release some quality games.

>> No.53492541

>>53492487
Dead space “remastered” released this month with a 59.99 price tag
It’s really sad how just 10-20 years ago we’d get 4-5 solid new IPs per year
Tomb raider, AC, Uncharted, Prince of Persia, Dead Space, Mass effect, I could go on forever
It really is over for us as a society, everything is just going to degenerate into numbness as we get conditioned to lower our expectations that we keep settling for less every iteration

>> No.53492578

>>53492541
Maybe it’s just how the current generation are much less of variety gamers than we were
I’d play Halo, Driver, Saints Rows, even though the latter for example might not have been the best game, but I’d just love gaming in general
I guess these days kids just want their Valorant and CoD loot boxes grinding the same 2 games all day

>> No.53492609

>>53480675
capitalism won so bigly there was nothing left to do except for nonwhites and women cry about equality so they can feel like people too. not sure why I'm responding to this bait thread, feelsbadman

>> No.53492651

>>53485048
>porn artists I follow are left wing therefore the left has all the creatives
do coomers really

>> No.53492684

>>53492101
>Anything with a profit motive is capitalism

>> No.53492727

>>53480675
Yup much of it is fucked, but there's a sea of classics you still haven't touched. Also, indie gaming.

>> No.53492748

Yes, soulless Jewish companies will produce shit that appeals to the lowest common denominator, and use a marketing budget almost eclipsing the game budget to remind the brainless masses the game exists. Meanwhile I'm having some lot of fun playing games by Anon's here like Cosmic Ascension and Monster Girl Manager. If you want to keep eating shit by all means, continue to play AAA.

>> No.53492818
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> If I don't look at him he'll go away

>> No.53493028

23 is a rest year right? Games would pump around September 2023 onwards for another 7 years

>> No.53494083

>>53484584
Bro you cant be serious using ac as good videogame example do you have moderate to severe brain damage

>> No.53494114

>>53480800
>lower your standards

Holy shit n-tier brainlet.

>> No.53494138

>>53483889
>Citing ourworldindata
Opinion discarded

See https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HjHMoNGqQTI&t=927s

Just a reminder, we are so used to your kind of gestalt that noone will ever listen to you in real life, at least without corporate coercion. Use your time here to cope with insignificance, because even bitter nerds need someone to bicker to. You fail the milgram test, and ironically you will do very good in this system. The people around you, not so much

>> No.53494146

>>53484584

Retard take.
Open world games are lame, and over done. Not interesting.

Its not about graphics and hardware its about tue fact these games are dull and repetitive and clones of shit we have all played before.

Old games with their shit graphics meant lower dev costs and time, more risks, quirks and a need to create interesting gameplay from subtle mechanics

That is why they were often better. You think anything like Pokemon will ever be released again? Not in this environment.

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Just dont buy shitty games retards

You get what you deserve and its beautiful

>> No.53494222

>>53492101
>Buys garbage
>Why is everyone making garbage, good games are human right!

Consoomer (you) is always the one at fault

>> No.53494225

>>53480675
The real redpill is not that capitalism, democracy, or whatever system that gives the masses power doesn't work. It's that a society where most people are morons doesn't work and the only solution is eugenics.

>> No.53494820

>>53481915
Go get raped faggot

>> No.53494830

>>53481837
Yes. I'd rape you just to assert my dominance.

>> No.53494962

>>53481894
the only free market is the black market.

>> No.53495447

>>53481796
>The same people complaining about shitty games continue to buy those shitty games.

This applies to everything. Rightoids are hate-watching Velma right know. Wokebait works for retards

>>53492331
Well, I must disagree on this one. Have you try to watch Netflix's He-Man? Yikes.

>> No.53495469

>>53480675
they get grants to hire faggots and make games about intersectional theory and marxism, or whatever the heck. it certainly doesn't prove capitalism doesn't work - but it sure proves consumers are subhuman goy cattle

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The quintessential /biz/ colony simulator:

Slaves to Armok: God of Blood

>> No.53497357

>>53480692
Never had to pay for a DLC when I was younger.

>> No.53497509

>>53480692
shut up zoomer